I've always wondered, WHY would ANYONE not want to get their child vaccinated? EVEN if it did cause autism (which It doesn't) wouldn't it be better for the child to be healthy and live without the chance of absolutely preventable dangerous diseases, even if diagnosed with autism? P.S. Vaccines DO NOT cause autism and Jenny Mccarthy is a bitch.
I can respect 911truthers, even though I disagree with them on 911, because they truly ARE silenced and oppressed (no - NOT on the same magnitude as Jews in the Holocaust, ok?). But, more so: because their opinions do not hurt anyone in the future.
But, the anti-vax and anthropogenic global warming (AGW) denying idiots have serious negative effects on future generations. And, AGW-deniers do the oppressing of environmentalists.
I hate that conspiracy nuts refer to themselves as "skeptics", when, in fact, they're only skeptical of "the establishment" and never of each other. You can come up with any ridiculous premise, peg it on the government or "big pharm" or the Illuminati, and they'll believe you without question.
Anti-vax and other conspiricists don't ask themselves "Which claim is true?" but instead "Which claim would make the better Dan Brown novel?"
@ZeitgeistChichester Suspicious that they didn't want the vaccines to go bad before they were administered? Perhaps you should google the reasons WHY Thermerasol was used in the first place and what it has been replaced with, but perhaps that would destroy your ego.
@TheFascistDonkey yes, clearly my suspicion aimed at toxic chemicals in vaccines means I have an uncontrollable ego =) I see your logic. I am fully aware that it is used as a preservative. I think it is you displaying an ego problem in assuming by default other people are less informed than yourself. Perhaps I am - but I don't see how my comment relates to anything to do with the ego. This is where my research has led me. I have decided to refuse vaccines and I'm in good health.Not proof - but..
@ZeitgeistChichester I went too far with my comment, apologies. However, I have also done the research, and have come to the conclusion that Thermerasol was the best choice at the time preserve vaccines. The reason you are in good health without vaccines is probably because you have already been vaccinated as a child - and you are lucky enough to benefit from herd immunity. Try living in a country without herd immunity for basic diseases and see how long you last without a vaccination.
@TheFascistDonkey Right, let's be civil then. Which countries do you speak of? many countries that do not have 'herd immunity' also are very poor with very poor nutrition and living standards, would you agree? It seems to me that not only do people with a healthy diet (lots of fruits, veggies, nuts, seeds) avoid most forms of illness and have a healthy immune system. My point is that a bunch of rich nations with herd immunity is not proof to me.Not only that, people still get infected, a lot.
@ZeitgeistChichester Point 1: the reason for lack of herd immunity does not weigh into this, would you or would you not go and live, for an extended period of time, in a country where a deadly disease is prevalent *without* taking vaccines for that disease? Do you think that good nutrition is enough to stop Hep B in it's tracks? That is the true test of whether or not you trust vaccines.
@ZeitgeistChichester Point 2: I can speak in depth about China as I have lived there for several years. The general health level and nutrition levels in China are adequate for good health. Living conditions vary but in general for most of the population the living conditions are good. Hepatitis B however is prevalent in China. Hep B infection rate in China has been decreasing though since 2006 when free vaccinations for children were introduced.
@ZeitgeistChichester Point 3: In the USA, diseases such as pertussis (whooping cough), measles, Hib (Haemophilus influenzae) etc are starting to spring up again. Children have died (in absolute agony) from whooping cough because their parents are anti-vaccine. Its funny that China has been vaccinating against pertussis since the 60s and it's basically eradicated, but in the good old USA with an anti-vax movement there are more cases per captia than China, a developing nation. Congratulations.
@TheFascistDonkey ..I see remaining civil is not possible. It will only skew communication, but it's your choice.I am aware of the rise of 'eradicated diseases'.. ahem. Your correlation of: eradicated diseases on the rise = fault of anti vax movement is unscientific. Correlation.. not causation. Whereas we know vaccinations need constant boosters + replace natural immunities. We also know that even with herd immunity there are 'outbreaks' even in vaccinated people. What is your response to that?
@ZeitgeistChichester The evidence for vaccines preventing certain diseases is irrefutable, absolutely irrefutable. This is not a case of a correlation, this is a case of double and triple blinded studies and peer reviewed papers running since 1796. Case in point: Minnesota measles outbreak last month, 11 confirmed cases, NONE of which were immunized (many were too young to be immunized, and some had anti-vaccine parents). Maybe we should let idiots be idiots - the world is over-populated anyway.
@TheFascistDonkey " Maybe we should let idiots be idiots - the world is over-populated anyway." Unfortunately, some babies get sick before they are old enough to be immunized. I'm sure you understand this, but I just want to make it clear: By not vaccinating their children, antivax parents are not only risking their own children's health and life, but other innocents, as well.
People need to realize, that medical technology, and medicine is not perfect, but its about the most effective thing to treat illnesses, and diseases. Its a trial and error, process, and eventually, in enough time, there will be little to no side effects whatsoever. Natural remedies, and other stuff works in some cases,but you need a balance of mainstream medicine with alternative remedies.Diet is number one, because that determines your health for a large effect.
Any kid with delayed speech or even just shyness will get diagnosed with autism or Asperger's nowadays. It's a fashionable diagnosis and parents pay shitloads to get their kids labelled with it. It's got nothing to do with vaccines.
Dear 99: In most cases, this could be dismissed as an ad-hominem attack. But in your case, it is true. You really are a credulous, uneducated conspiracy nut whose health has benefited from the herd immunity of the vaccinated population. You employ every logical fallacy under the sun to back up your ridiculous statements. Your input is totally worthless. You should thank the rest of us for your health. And don't forget, you are STILL benefiting from your childhood vaccines.
It is indeed a quite delightful irony that the reason why conspiracy theorists survive throwing modern science out the window is that we live in a world where this has been made possible by modern science.
Let's see 99 raise kids without vaccinating them in Afghanistan, where 35 000 children die annually of measles.
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Every year my wife suggests I get the flu vaccine. Every year I refuse. Every year she gets the same number of flu infections as I do (actually, she gets more, but she has more contact with other people than I do).
@quantumG I hear people making this claim all the time... one important thing to think about: are you actually getting the flu, or a bad cold? Why, despite all these people making these claims, does the actual statistical evidence contradict these claims?
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Louis Pasteur created the first vaccine about 180 years ago, against intense opposition from the Medical Profession of the time. (He was only a Chemist). How did Homo Sapiens survive for the previous 100,000 years of evolution without vaccines?
Big Pharma's lies about vaccines, are the very same lies the Tobacco Industry used to keep themselves in business, making fortunes off people's suffering.
Hello Straw Man(No one said homo sapiens cant survive without vaccines), Homo Sapiens survived just fine without the vaccine, however maybe you have noticed that we are growing in number?
Vaccines, while not solely responsible for the rise in number of humans, have greatly contributed to humans not dying from diseases that are prevented with vaccines.
You are free to not partake in them however, thats the beauty of our country.
Geezerboy...you twat. All the people that died of those conditions are obviously not in any position to post rubbish on Yotube. The fact that you survived those conditions in no way removes the efficacy of vaccines.
Children survive car accidents. Doesn't mean we need to minimise eforts to prevent car accidents.
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I'm a healthy 62 year old. As a child I had measles, mumps, whooping cough, scarlet fever, mononucleosis, hepatitis, and flu. So how come I'm still alive and healthy? No, I did not get a polio shot, nor did I get polio.
These guys all work for Big Pharma. Randi should be ashamed of himself for lending his name to this charade.
That's great you never got Polio! Too bad for the nearly 21,000 people in the US who did contract the disease in 1952 (when you were about 4 years old). Compare that to there only being 61 cases in 1965 and the fact that the last case of wild poliovirus originating from the US was in 1979. That probably has nothing to do with the vaccine, though. I bet it's a conspiracy by Big Pharma to get us to believe vaccines work! Those tricky sons of bitches!
To repeat: humans make squalene in their bodies, as a precursor to cholesterol--which is present in cell walls. If it weren't there, the cells would have fallen apart. Squalene is squalene, regardless of where it is produced!
Over 3.6 million views: (Very Sad: Cheerleader Gets A Flu Shot & Now She Can Only Walk Backwards!) watch?v=mScGC7nFDxM
It looks like the pro vaccine propaganda promoted by JREF is being ignored by the vast majority of people. Most people get it that the hysteria about the swine flu is manufactured in order to sell vaccines. Yep most people get it that the jab is all about profit and they know it is toxic too.
"I prefer to take the word of all the Doctors and Nurses who are refusing to take it."
Doctors? I doubt that. Nurses maybe.
Also, why is it you'll listen to the 0.1% who reject vaccines but totally disregard the 99.9% who recommend them?
If you don't know, I'll tell you. It's because you regard tabloid scare stories more highly than scientific evidence. Or to put that another way, because you're a tool.
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Listen to this agenda driven lumatic and you all are fucked. Mercury and Squalene are in the vaccine. Research it. Listen to this lying, evil dog and your life is over.
Yes, do research it. Start by googling 'anti anti vax' and read the truth about the anti-vaccination racket. For example 'squalene' is commonly sold in health food shops as a food supplement!
Steve Novella is a highly educated medical scientist, you are just another internet loonie not even fit to shine his shoes. I know who I'd go to for my science info...
That rather depends on what your source is for that 'research'. If you want people to avoid it you'd be best served telling them to 'research' it on fox news and internet rumours created by the scientifically illiterate, because if people research it by looking at actual facts they'll see how full of shit you are.
Of course it has, it is pretty easy to search for scientific articles on studies. Furthermore, the vaccine is not much different from other flu vaccines. The difference is that this is another virus very few are immune to.
thank god we have that polio vaccine, and mumps were also gone, and i think they have chickenpox vaccine, i cant wait for the aids vaccine. I HOPE THE PUBLIC ISNT STUPID ABOUT STOPPING DANGEROUS DISEASES.
Sign up for your jab then and by all means don't worry about the fact that it contains mercury, sqaline adjuvants, and other toxic ingredients. By all means don't worry about the fact that doctors and health professionals all over the world are refusing it, they are all wrong and Randi (the magician) is right LOL.
If I were you I'd start by learning how to spell squalene before you propogate myths about its supposed toxicity. Just another clown spouting conspiracy theories with abosolutely no clue whatsoever about the science.
I sincerely hope you and all JREF members take the vaccines, all of them, swim in them, you lying scumbags can go straight to hell. Your worried about spelling rather then what you inject into your blood stream, really smart. Please JREFers do not watch the videos linked below, smart people however should watch and learn.
Gary Null Speaking Out at the NYS Assembly Hearing | 10-13-2009
What is wrong dla627? You still seem to be missing the point of the discussion which is about the vaccines. Maybe you have had too many vaccines already and that is why your brain does not seem to work so well.
Well dla627 the question really comes down to who is telling the truth and who is putting out propaganda. You choose to believe what big pharma and government hacks like Steve Novella say in spite of their huge conflicts of interest.
I choose to believe the doctors and experts presented in films like Vaccine Nation which I bet you have not watched. In my view trusting the same government and big business interests that have performed horrible experiments on humans in the past is moronic.
Look into the credentials of your so called "expert" Gary Null, his only qualifications come from a private college who award degrees via correspondance. They are not even accredited to award PhDs in the sciences!
Dr Novella is a practising neurologist and professor at Yale.
The term hack definately applies to one of these people....
There's the problem, you've guaged the "expert opinion" based on films with a clear agenda, instead of looking at the actual evidence yourself. Watching a documentary is not the same as carefully reading through the scientific literature. It really doesn't matter what a handful of doctors say, what matters is the evidence, and the evidence seems to support the idea that vaccination is largely safe, and saves millions of lives every year.
I think he also has one of his shoe laces untied...... a bit of lint on his shirt too ......he must be flawed!!! is there a logical fallacy for painstaking criticism of somebody lecturing with no material in front of him?? people make errors and can t 'parrot' off stats like a robot.
anybody can find errors in a recorded lecture .........
I know many in the medical community who are giving the vaccine and none of them have refused it. I'm sure there is the odd superstitious nurse who has read too many sensationalist anti vax 'news' stories who will refuse the vaccine but they are very very few. Just another myth from the anti-vax industry.
Exactly, I occasionally hear people saying that "all sorts of medical professionals are refusing vaccines", yet most of these people don't personally deal with medical professionals on a daily basis. I do, many of my close friends and family members work in hospitals, are medical researchers, etc... and they ALL believe vaccination is important, and safe.
#8) If the flu vaccine really works, then why was there no huge increase in flu death rates in 2004, the year when flu vaccines were in short supply and vaccination rates dropped by 40%?
Answer: There was no change in the death rate. You could drop vaccination rates to zero percent and youd still see no change in the number of people dying from the flu. Thats because flu vaccines simply dont work.
A judge on Friday halted enforcement of a New York State directive requiring that all health care workers be vaccinated for swine flu.
The temporary restraining order by the judge, Thomas J. McNamara, an acting justice of State Supreme Court in Albany, is likely to add to the growing debate about the flu vaccine.
Letter from the Health Protection Agency, the official body that oversees public health, has been leaked: It tells the neurologists that they must be alert for an increase in a brain disorder called Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), which could be triggered by the vaccine.
I gave you the name of the paper the date and a clip from the article now if you don't know how to use google that is your problem pal. "Citation needed"? You are lazy pal if you can't find it with the info I posted and you don't even want to know the truth about vaccines. For all I care you can go right ahead and take the vaccines. I on the other hand have done vaccine research as opposed to JREF morons like you who just take Randi's word for everything as though he has credibility.
The JREF forum is fast losing recruits. All you have to do is check their forum and see the sock puppets with 94 posts, user account opened 2007, yeah keep bringing out those sock puppetsyou cretinous pieced of shit. You are losing your satanic little game. You should all be executed.
Hahaha, the Lying rodents from JREF and their sinister TAM. Listen you wortless pieces of shit. The entire world is waking up and cover up mercants like yourself will not stop that. You are traitors of humanity. Now you JREF fuckers make sure you get all the vaccinations you can. The world would be a much more sweet smelling place without Zionist rodents like you scurrying around. HATE YOU ALL. PLEASE DIE SOON.
Published in the March 10 issue of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, the data show since mercury was removed from childhood vaccines, the reported rates of autism and other neurological disorders in children not only stopped increasing but actually dropped sharply by as much as 35 percent.
JPandS is NOT a peer reviewed scientific journal. Its a "psuedojournal" published by the ultraconservative political group AAPS to try and add legitimacy to their platform.
Once again, it is not a scientific journal, it is a political news letter.
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September 25th, 2009 Seattle Times:
State OKs mercury in swine flu vaccine
By The Associated Press
OLYMPIA — The state Health Department will allow more mercury than usual in some of the swine flu vaccine to make sure shots are available to pregnant women and children under 3.
Perfect! A JREFer government shill like Steve Novella must be running the health department in Washington state. Pregnant women and children are MOST vulnerable to mercury.
People, before you start pissing your pants over anti-science scare tactics, I suggest you read up about the differences between ethyl mercy (the type used in thimerosal) and methyl mercury (the stuff found in industrial waste). Big differences.
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Yes trust MathReality everyone he is a JREFer and knows all LOL. Vaccines are safe, war is peace, Oceania has always been at war with East Asia, resisting vaccines is thought crime, big brother loves you, JREFers are honest and care about the truth, believing otherwise is thought crime.
LMAO god JREFers are a sad bunch of pseudoskeptic liars.
Stick your arm out MathReality please and get your thimerosal (banned throughout Europe and Asia) Geee hmmmm I wonder why? Could there be a reason?
"Geee hmmmm I wonder why? Could there be a reason?"
yep, liars spreading false information causing panic.
either way, if you watched the video, he quite clearly makes the point that even when its use was discontinued, there was no drop in the conditions you claim it causes.
now run along kid. and btw, try not to call people liars. being a liar yourself is bad enough, but when you make yourself out to be a hypocrit, you just make things worse for yourself.
Yes vaccines are safe, war is peace, resisting vaccines is thought crime. JREF is double plus good, mercury is double plus good. Big brother loves you.
BTW Autism has gone up dramatically right along with increases in vaccines. Novella is a liar and you sir are an idiot. Please get your vaccine immediately.
3 QUESTIONS 911 TRUTHERS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK THEM:
Since the govt. committed 9/11, why arent truthers demanding the release of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed who is on trial for his life for a crime truthers claim he did not commit?
If there was no flight 93, please explain how 95% of the plane debris was recovered?
If there was no flight 77, please explain how 130+ witnesses reported seeing a plane?
If it was caused by mercury, Why is it that "autism is more wide spread now then in the past were mercury was more widely used in household products prior to government bans.
if it was the cause of autism, Why aren't the majority of children given inoculations becoming autistic?
Excellent points: and why didn't Autism rates decline when Mercury was removed from vaccines? Why wasn't Autism epidemic when Mercury was commonly played with in Elementary and Junior High School science classes before the dangers were identified (I remember this!)
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If you think mercury is safe go get your vaccine pal. I really and truely wish all JREFers would double up on vaccines. Seriously JREFers get vaccinated PLEASE!
Alright Truthstorm911 it's time to put your money where your mouth is. I'll get the H1N1 vaccine as soon as I am able and if I develop no major physical or neurological problems within 6 months than you pay me $1,000 American. However if I develop an autistic spectrum disorder or a major physical or mental disorder than I will in turn pay you $10,000. Sound fair?
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I don't think you understand what I am saying Spiny. I want you and all JREFers to get the vaccine. I withdraw all of my previous comments and I am now telling you the vaccines are perfectly safe. I strongly recommend you get your vaccine ASAP and make sure your family gets it too. ALl the stuff I said before was just made up there is no danger. Vaccines are double plus good, war is peace, big brother loves you.
Is it all vaccines that are toxic or only the H1N1 vaccine? I'm not really sure what your point is. If you claim that all vaccines are toxic,cause major health problems and are a government or NWO plot than do you believe that everyone who has ever gotten a vaccine is sick. On the other hand if it is only the H1N1 vaccine than I am perfectly willing to record my vaccination and provide some check-ins weeks down the road to show that I'm not dead or autistic.
I love how people like Truthstorm like to connect vaccines with some big scary Big Pharma but probably ignore or even embrace "Big Natural", "Big Organic" or some pseudoscientific CAM modality. CAM (Complementary and Alternative medicine) should give all you grand-conspiracy types a boner. Know anything about the history of the DSHEA? If that shit doesn't phase you either (a) you are highly selective in what you call a conspiracy or (b) simply have little understanding of basic science.
Truthstorm911. Perhaps you shouldn't have stopped taking your Clozapine. You clearly but into many conspiracy theories,regardless of all the evidence. By all means, please buy a shack in the woods of Montana, and write all your paranoid ramblings in notebooks. That way the evil establishment can't keep dosing you with mind control drugs in the drinking water.
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JREFers are the ones sticking their arms out for their murcury (oops ah... vaccine) not me pal. I won't let big pharma poison near me. I do hope every last one of you JREFers gets vaccinated. Washington State Health officials just lifted the restrictions on the amount of Thimerisol (Murcury for the slow JREF types) allowed in the vaccines. So the MD in the video is full of shit there is still murcury in the vaccines.
Gobble that poison up JREFers please do us a favor and take your vaccines!
According to the DHS (Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry)
Mercury's harmful effects that may be passed from the mother to the fetus include brain damage, mental retardation, incoordination, blindness, seizures, and inability to speak. Children poisoned by mercury may develop problems of their nervous and digestive systems, and kidney damage.
So again JREFers PLEASE get vaccinated. In fact vaccines may be the reason JREFers are actually so stupid in the first place.
Truthstorm, I work for the JREF and I have not only been vaccinated as prescribed by my doctor but my entire family has been also. No one in my family (25 family members) have had any side effects from any vaccines. You're ramblings without showing evidence shows everyone that you have no idea what you are talking about.
I also find it funny that there are anti vaccine types that complain about toxins in vaccines but freely use Botox, which more toxic then any in vaccines.
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Good for you moron suck up that thimerisol and squaline and adjuvants.
Steve Novella is LYING about thimerisol (murcury based) being taken out of the vaccines in 2002 it is still there. Enjoy your toxic jab buddy my family is not vaccinated nor will they ever be and we are all fine. Vitamins and a healthy life style will serve us just fine thank you. You go ahead and listen to this NIH funded shill and we will see who is standing at the end.
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Seattle Times:
State OKs mercury in swine flu vaccine
By The Associated Press
OLYMPIA — The state Health Department will allow more mercury than usual in some of the swine flu vaccine to make sure shots are available to pregnant women and children under 3.
Suck up your dose of mucury JREFer and don't complain when you have all those unexplained problems down the road ok?
"No one in my family (25 family members) have had any side effects from any vaccines. You're ramblings without showing evidence shows everyone that you have no idea what you are talking about."
I haven't been vaccinated and I have never had any sickness other than colds every 10 years and the flu every 15 years. So this is evidence that vaccines are not needed? No. Your little personal rant there is not scientific. It's personal opinion and experience.
Granted, while both of you offer just an anecdote, by not being vaccinated you are essentially a vector for the spread of rather unpleasant diseases. Look at communities that have lost herd immunity due to parents who don't have a clue and don't vaccinate their kids. What do we see? Outbreaks of diseases that were mostly eradicated.
If you think about it, it's a pretty big public safety concern.
If your going to claim that the people who work for the JREF are slow than you should probably realize that it is spelled mercury not murcury. I think this dismantles your point about you and your entire family being fine because you haven't been vaccinated. Keep storming Truthstorm you make me laugh when I'm feeling down.
My major argument isn't that he misspelled a word that is commonly used and is also part of his central thesis but the fact that he claims that the individuals at the JREF are "slow." I think that he should first try to proofread before he questions others intelligence and asserts that he and his family have no problems for the sole reason of not being vaccinated.
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You're a typical JREFer in every way SpinyNorman, concerned about the completely unimportant detail of a misspelled word while completely missing the point that you just had yourself and your family injected with mercury. You may be the local spelling bee champion but you are in fact dumb as a sack of hammers for sticking your arm out to be injected with toxins and adjuvants none of which you know the side effects of. To top it off the "vaccine" isn't tested and doesn't work. Brilliant JREFer.
I don't seem to understand your choice of the word "just". I have not "just" been vaccinated but instead been vaccinated throughout my entire life and have no notable physical or neurological problems to speak of. How can you claim that the H1N1 vaccine doesn't work when it hasn't even been distributed yet?
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Google "squaline and vaccine" and see what you learn. JREFers disregard what I just said and please go get your vaccine immediately after all this MD says it is safe.
This doctors bread is buttered by NIH or (the government) for the slow JREFers in the house. Gee I wonder why he is pro vaccine? JREFers please do stick out your arms and take the H1N1 "vaccine". Rid us all of your stupidity. Murcury which this government stooge admits was in the vaccines until 2002 is one of the most toxic substances on earth. Go ahead and trust this government payrolled stooge when he tells you the vaccines are safe. LOL safe! Yeah they only wanted to pump murcury into kids.
Come on, mercury is certainly not "one of the most toxic substances on earth". Do you understand the difference between trace amounts, and toxic levels? Do you ever eat fish? If you do, you've probably been exposed to FAR more mercury than a lifetime of vaccinations. What, exactly, are the "side effects" of the H1N1 vaccine that you speak of, and where is the evidence for it?
Before I retired from veterinary medicine, some reticent clients balked at having their dogs vaccinated against rabies, claiming it was a money-making scheme. I could not convince them that thousands of humans died annually in the U.S. prior to vaccinations being mandated. Of course, there are risks. Nothing is 100%, but the lives saved from a horrible death are much greater than the risks.
What a shame that people don't understand that science and popular science are two different things. Science means repeated testing to support or refute findings. The media blasts the ignorant public with frightening findings, doing society a huge disservice. The public should be encouraged to demand continued testing, not to stop rationale preventative procedures.
I shared this on my Facebook and Livejournal pages. Sadly, I found out that many of my friend believe vaccinations cause autism in children. To this video, the told me that they were just brain-washed corporate drones disseminating false information.
It's really depressing... people simply refuse to listen to facts. Of course, if someone is completely talking out of their ass, claiming that vaccines kill 50% of the people who get them, or some such nonsense, they'd probably believe it hook, line, and sinker. If someone carefully demonstrated how they gathered the statistical data demonstrating that vaccines are safe and effective, they're a "government shill".
I was glad to be a part of this event.Very well said Steven.With a little hope ,maybe we can get people to be aware.The anti- vaxers have no proof and should stop parading around to the mi-informed like they have a point.
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I'm sorry James Randi, if my child gets autism from the thymericil in the vaccination or if my child DIES from the vaccination then there's no pros or cons to weigh.
Autism is a false scare?!?!? One in 150 ppl in america have it and it's a false scare!?!?!?
Bad call Randi. The truth of the matter is noone knows why so many americans die and get autism from their vaccinations and a guy on a podium isn't going to convince me either way.
Strange way of setting up an argument. Autism is not an ailment created by vaccination. It would be more useful if you posted the number of autists being what they are solely due to vaccination. Not a very large number, is it.
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Being a pretentious asshole is one way to isolate yourself and make sure noone listens to you. Maybe you should learn how to communicate without insulting the recipient.
Given that no evidence(that has stood up to enquiry.) linking vaccination and autism, has been presented, yes it is a false scare. The reduction in MMR has already, demonstrably cost lives in england.
The autism link with Thimerisol (Methyl Mercury, which is excreted without metabolic interaction... less Mercury gets into the blood and stays than from TOOTH FILLINGS) and hasn't been used in vaccines for 8 years. And no one is looking at rates of Autism when corrected for misdiagnosis before 1990. Autism is environmental and new diagnostic standards are showing the true rates. Vaccines have NOTHING to do with it.
No vaccine has ever been linked to any form of autism.
However, if it did cause that on occasion, you'd still be advised to take the chances because lack of vaccination has good potential for causing a severe case of death.
Especially if your immune system is bust which, in our society, it probably is.
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Please go stick your arm out and get your dose of adjuvants like squaline. MMMM good. Don't worry no real testing was done on the H1N1 "vaccine" so you can just assume it is safe like the rest of the dip shit JREFers.
If that was meant to be some sort of parody or something, I should let you know that is sounds about the same as "Ha ha, you eat food to live, what a bunch of losers".
"At the request of the CDC, AAN has asked its member neurologists and health care workers to report any instances of neurological diseases possibly connected to the vaccine, particularly Guillain-Barre syndrome, which resulted in the deaths of 25 individuals in the 1976 outbreak."
i dont know if you could ever have a "Balanced debate" because the evidence will swing the hammer to one side usally overwhelmingly especially when the idea is based on faith like organic food....young earth creationists and anti vaccination folks its based on faith. faith is not equivlent to evidence and never should be even considered to ever be valid as a balancing factor of any disucussion.
extremism is bad either way. Sure, I won't get a vaccine for something simple. I'd rather fight it out. BUT, don't tell me if some life-threatening disease or epidemic is going around you won't get a vaccine to prevent it. To not do so is retarded.
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All people who are in favor of a vaccine and or are giving thumbs down, GO GET YOUR VACCINATIONS!!! My doctor said that he hasn't gotten a vaccination in years and sees NO need to get the SWINE flu vaccination either! WELL, THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME!! After all he is my doctor and a well known darn good one too!
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Oh, no! I'm not stupid!! I'm very selective though and do the research! The flu vaccine has NOT been proven like many vaccines have!! No, I won't get tetanus, cholera, TB, etc. NICE TRY THOUGH! : )
"At the request of the CDC, AAN has asked its member neurologists and health care workers to report any instances of neurological diseases possibly connected to the vaccine, particularly Guillain-Barre syndrome, which resulted in the deaths of 25 individuals in the 1976 outbreak."
Anti-vaccinism is a religion...
DrSpooglemon 2 weeks ago
right now:P
MrEngineerNasa 4 weeks ago
I've always wondered, WHY would ANYONE not want to get their child vaccinated? EVEN if it did cause autism (which It doesn't) wouldn't it be better for the child to be healthy and live without the chance of absolutely preventable dangerous diseases, even if diagnosed with autism? P.S. Vaccines DO NOT cause autism and Jenny Mccarthy is a bitch.
Washburn4o 1 month ago
Is there any possibility that vaccines can cause an auto immune disorder?
DavidSaddler1231 3 months ago
@DavidSaddler1231 No. Check out this link everyday health, they have a good article on it titled Can Vaccines Cause Auto Immune Disorders
brutus2001x 3 weeks ago
I can respect 911truthers, even though I disagree with them on 911, because they truly ARE silenced and oppressed (no - NOT on the same magnitude as Jews in the Holocaust, ok?). But, more so: because their opinions do not hurt anyone in the future.
But, the anti-vax and anthropogenic global warming (AGW) denying idiots have serious negative effects on future generations. And, AGW-deniers do the oppressing of environmentalists.
mphello 3 months ago
Jenny McCarthy is just as dumb as she appears in her movies - of which I count only one: "Scary Movie 3".
mphello 3 months ago
@mphello no she is an einsten :)
MrEngineerNasa 4 weeks ago
SHEESH I've listened to 4 minutes before he states finally that there is no link to thimerisol and autism. Until then it's all "blah blah blah"
projectnormal 4 months ago
I hate that conspiracy nuts refer to themselves as "skeptics", when, in fact, they're only skeptical of "the establishment" and never of each other. You can come up with any ridiculous premise, peg it on the government or "big pharm" or the Illuminati, and they'll believe you without question.
Anti-vax and other conspiricists don't ask themselves "Which claim is true?" but instead "Which claim would make the better Dan Brown novel?"
Kerberoz01 8 months ago 3
Anyone who helps continue to propagate the antivax hoax is a child murderer.
doctorpsycho1960 9 months ago
Google: Vaccine's success spurs whooping cough comeback
Areas where anti-vax lobby has power or where Vaccines do not exist there is DOOM DOOM DOOM! :)
Have a nice day.
Downfurlife 10 months ago
The fact that there was Thermerasol in the vaccines in the first place doesn't make anyone suspicious of the people giving them to us?
ZeitgeistChichester 11 months ago
@ZeitgeistChichester Suspicious that they didn't want the vaccines to go bad before they were administered? Perhaps you should google the reasons WHY Thermerasol was used in the first place and what it has been replaced with, but perhaps that would destroy your ego.
TheFascistDonkey 10 months ago
@TheFascistDonkey yes, clearly my suspicion aimed at toxic chemicals in vaccines means I have an uncontrollable ego =) I see your logic. I am fully aware that it is used as a preservative. I think it is you displaying an ego problem in assuming by default other people are less informed than yourself. Perhaps I am - but I don't see how my comment relates to anything to do with the ego. This is where my research has led me. I have decided to refuse vaccines and I'm in good health.Not proof - but..
ZeitgeistChichester 10 months ago
@ZeitgeistChichester I went too far with my comment, apologies. However, I have also done the research, and have come to the conclusion that Thermerasol was the best choice at the time preserve vaccines. The reason you are in good health without vaccines is probably because you have already been vaccinated as a child - and you are lucky enough to benefit from herd immunity. Try living in a country without herd immunity for basic diseases and see how long you last without a vaccination.
TheFascistDonkey 10 months ago
@TheFascistDonkey Right, let's be civil then. Which countries do you speak of? many countries that do not have 'herd immunity' also are very poor with very poor nutrition and living standards, would you agree? It seems to me that not only do people with a healthy diet (lots of fruits, veggies, nuts, seeds) avoid most forms of illness and have a healthy immune system. My point is that a bunch of rich nations with herd immunity is not proof to me.Not only that, people still get infected, a lot.
ZeitgeistChichester 10 months ago
@ZeitgeistChichester Point 1: the reason for lack of herd immunity does not weigh into this, would you or would you not go and live, for an extended period of time, in a country where a deadly disease is prevalent *without* taking vaccines for that disease? Do you think that good nutrition is enough to stop Hep B in it's tracks? That is the true test of whether or not you trust vaccines.
TheFascistDonkey 10 months ago
@ZeitgeistChichester Point 2: I can speak in depth about China as I have lived there for several years. The general health level and nutrition levels in China are adequate for good health. Living conditions vary but in general for most of the population the living conditions are good. Hepatitis B however is prevalent in China. Hep B infection rate in China has been decreasing though since 2006 when free vaccinations for children were introduced.
TheFascistDonkey 10 months ago
@ZeitgeistChichester Point 3: In the USA, diseases such as pertussis (whooping cough), measles, Hib (Haemophilus influenzae) etc are starting to spring up again. Children have died (in absolute agony) from whooping cough because their parents are anti-vaccine. Its funny that China has been vaccinating against pertussis since the 60s and it's basically eradicated, but in the good old USA with an anti-vax movement there are more cases per captia than China, a developing nation. Congratulations.
TheFascistDonkey 10 months ago 2
@TheFascistDonkey God damnit. You fucker... I just made that point. i wanted to be the first one, "Vaccine's success spurs whooping cough comeback"
Downfurlife 10 months ago
@TheFascistDonkey ..I see remaining civil is not possible. It will only skew communication, but it's your choice.I am aware of the rise of 'eradicated diseases'.. ahem. Your correlation of: eradicated diseases on the rise = fault of anti vax movement is unscientific. Correlation.. not causation. Whereas we know vaccinations need constant boosters + replace natural immunities. We also know that even with herd immunity there are 'outbreaks' even in vaccinated people. What is your response to that?
ZeitgeistChichester 10 months ago
@ZeitgeistChichester The evidence for vaccines preventing certain diseases is irrefutable, absolutely irrefutable. This is not a case of a correlation, this is a case of double and triple blinded studies and peer reviewed papers running since 1796. Case in point: Minnesota measles outbreak last month, 11 confirmed cases, NONE of which were immunized (many were too young to be immunized, and some had anti-vaccine parents). Maybe we should let idiots be idiots - the world is over-populated anyway.
TheFascistDonkey 9 months ago 4
@TheFascistDonkey " Maybe we should let idiots be idiots - the world is over-populated anyway." Unfortunately, some babies get sick before they are old enough to be immunized. I'm sure you understand this, but I just want to make it clear: By not vaccinating their children, antivax parents are not only risking their own children's health and life, but other innocents, as well.
Debking79 6 months ago
People need to realize, that medical technology, and medicine is not perfect, but its about the most effective thing to treat illnesses, and diseases. Its a trial and error, process, and eventually, in enough time, there will be little to no side effects whatsoever. Natural remedies, and other stuff works in some cases,but you need a balance of mainstream medicine with alternative remedies.Diet is number one, because that determines your health for a large effect.
KevZen2000 1 year ago
The real truth.
bighrabovsky 1 year ago 2
Any kid with delayed speech or even just shyness will get diagnosed with autism or Asperger's nowadays. It's a fashionable diagnosis and parents pay shitloads to get their kids labelled with it. It's got nothing to do with vaccines.
munsism 1 year ago
@munsism
Actually one of the requirements to receive a diagnosis of Asperger's is that the child has normal speech development.
jessiessica 11 months ago
Can we please refuse the anti-science people from any and all modern medical technology?
yubarraboo 1 year ago 3
steve novella rocks!! listen to his podcast "SGU" its really great.
svega5 1 year ago 7
ray romano should play him in sgu the movie
goonlagoon 1 year ago
good grief! you're right. He sounds just like Ray Romano. Are they related I wonder?
SeriallySpeaking 1 year ago
Dear 99: In most cases, this could be dismissed as an ad-hominem attack. But in your case, it is true. You really are a credulous, uneducated conspiracy nut whose health has benefited from the herd immunity of the vaccinated population. You employ every logical fallacy under the sun to back up your ridiculous statements. Your input is totally worthless. You should thank the rest of us for your health. And don't forget, you are STILL benefiting from your childhood vaccines.
HoovedAvenger 1 year ago 45
It is indeed a quite delightful irony that the reason why conspiracy theorists survive throwing modern science out the window is that we live in a world where this has been made possible by modern science.
Let's see 99 raise kids without vaccinating them in Afghanistan, where 35 000 children die annually of measles.
MidgardEagle 1 year ago 2
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HoovedAvenger 1 year ago
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Every year my wife suggests I get the flu vaccine. Every year I refuse. Every year she gets the same number of flu infections as I do (actually, she gets more, but she has more contact with other people than I do).
quantumG 2 years ago
@quantumG so what is your point here ?
CzDavid42 2 years ago
Anecdotal evidence is the lowest form of evidence.
STFUNOWlol 2 years ago
@quantumG I hear people making this claim all the time... one important thing to think about: are you actually getting the flu, or a bad cold? Why, despite all these people making these claims, does the actual statistical evidence contradict these claims?
compactdisk2 2 years ago
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Louis Pasteur created the first vaccine about 180 years ago, against intense opposition from the Medical Profession of the time. (He was only a Chemist). How did Homo Sapiens survive for the previous 100,000 years of evolution without vaccines?
Big Pharma's lies about vaccines, are the very same lies the Tobacco Industry used to keep themselves in business, making fortunes off people's suffering.
Wake up people. Follow the money.
geezzerboy 2 years ago
Hello Straw Man(No one said homo sapiens cant survive without vaccines), Homo Sapiens survived just fine without the vaccine, however maybe you have noticed that we are growing in number?
Vaccines, while not solely responsible for the rise in number of humans, have greatly contributed to humans not dying from diseases that are prevented with vaccines.
You are free to not partake in them however, thats the beauty of our country.
lonnied123 2 years ago 3
"How did Homo Sapiens survive for the previous 100,000 years of evolution without vaccines?"
Most of them didn't.
Most died during childhood. And those who survived childhood were unlikely to reach what we'd call middle aged.
Science has done basically all of that. If it wasn't for technology most of the people you know at the moment would be dead.
Antibiotics, soap, baby incubators, farm machinery, fridges. Most of the people you've ever met would have died without them.
m3141592 2 years ago 7
"Big Pharma's lies about vaccines, are the very same lies the Tobacco Industry used to keep themselves in business"
You have no understanding of the scientific community whatsoever.
m3141592 2 years ago 2
@m3141592
Bravo! Keep up the good work!
Amazing how people believe FALSE comparisons or analogies,
while refusing to believe REAL analogies.
mphello 3 months ago
Geezerboy...you twat. All the people that died of those conditions are obviously not in any position to post rubbish on Yotube. The fact that you survived those conditions in no way removes the efficacy of vaccines.
Children survive car accidents. Doesn't mean we need to minimise eforts to prevent car accidents.
Plimp73 2 years ago 4
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I'm a healthy 62 year old. As a child I had measles, mumps, whooping cough, scarlet fever, mononucleosis, hepatitis, and flu. So how come I'm still alive and healthy? No, I did not get a polio shot, nor did I get polio.
These guys all work for Big Pharma. Randi should be ashamed of himself for lending his name to this charade.
geezzerboy 2 years ago
geezerboy YOU are a retard !!!
I smoke and i've never had FLU , therefore smoking prevents flu ????
I've seen what polio does , my father lost good freinds to polio !!!
shut UP you are very dangerous... you are lucky but your anecdotal evidence PROVES NOTHING !!!!!!
clemzzz 2 years ago
That's great you never got Polio! Too bad for the nearly 21,000 people in the US who did contract the disease in 1952 (when you were about 4 years old). Compare that to there only being 61 cases in 1965 and the fact that the last case of wild poliovirus originating from the US was in 1979. That probably has nothing to do with the vaccine, though. I bet it's a conspiracy by Big Pharma to get us to believe vaccines work! Those tricky sons of bitches!
deluxbellorum 2 years ago 3
anecdotal evidence equals no evidence. Your personal account is inherently and logically meaningless
peart 2 years ago 26
"As a child I had measles, mumps, whooping cough, scarlet fever, mononucleosis, hepatitis, and flu. So how come I'm still alive and healthy?"
A combination of modern medicine and dumb luck.
Why don't you tell the vast heaps of tiny corpses how much better it is to be one of the lucky ones.
m3141592 2 years ago 5
you can talk to corpses if you want, but they like you dont have the cognitive functionality to respond in a lucid manner.
davedaveydave 2 years ago
"you can talk to corpses if you want, but they like you dont have the cognitive functionality to respond in a lucid manner. "
It was a metaphor for the consequences of being an ignorant fuck, you ignorant fuck.
Perhaps you'd like to point out where I have strayed from lucidity and I'll revise or amplify.
m3141592 2 years ago
To repeat: humans make squalene in their bodies, as a precursor to cholesterol--which is present in cell walls. If it weren't there, the cells would have fallen apart. Squalene is squalene, regardless of where it is produced!
CathySander 2 years ago
Over 3.6 million views: (Very Sad: Cheerleader Gets A Flu Shot & Now She Can Only Walk Backwards!) watch?v=mScGC7nFDxM
It looks like the pro vaccine propaganda promoted by JREF is being ignored by the vast majority of people. Most people get it that the hysteria about the swine flu is manufactured in order to sell vaccines. Yep most people get it that the jab is all about profit and they know it is toxic too.
centrino105 2 years ago
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I prefer to take the word of all the Doctors and Nurses who are refusing to take it. NOT one of James 'AGENT' Randi's cronies. Bye bye suckers!
accidentsinspace 2 years ago
"I prefer to take the word of all the Doctors and Nurses who are refusing to take it."
Doctors? I doubt that. Nurses maybe.
Also, why is it you'll listen to the 0.1% who reject vaccines but totally disregard the 99.9% who recommend them?
If you don't know, I'll tell you. It's because you regard tabloid scare stories more highly than scientific evidence. Or to put that another way, because you're a tool.
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XDV595K 2 years ago
Beautifully and succinctly put. Enviable eloquence. Case closed.
XDV595K 2 years ago
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Listen to this agenda driven lumatic and you all are fucked. Mercury and Squalene are in the vaccine. Research it. Listen to this lying, evil dog and your life is over.
accidentsinspace 2 years ago
Yes, do research it. Start by googling 'anti anti vax' and read the truth about the anti-vaccination racket. For example 'squalene' is commonly sold in health food shops as a food supplement!
Steve Novella is a highly educated medical scientist, you are just another internet loonie not even fit to shine his shoes. I know who I'd go to for my science info...
ech1dna 2 years ago 2
"Research it."
That rather depends on what your source is for that 'research'. If you want people to avoid it you'd be best served telling them to 'research' it on fox news and internet rumours created by the scientifically illiterate, because if people research it by looking at actual facts they'll see how full of shit you are.
m3141592 2 years ago 3
5:15 Freudian slip: "Thimerisol vaccine hype...hypothesis".
Dracopol 2 years ago
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The HN1N vaccine has not even been tested properly yet. These JREF pseudoscientists are a joke.
accidentsinspace 2 years ago
Of course it has, it is pretty easy to search for scientific articles on studies. Furthermore, the vaccine is not much different from other flu vaccines. The difference is that this is another virus very few are immune to.
VeritySeeker 2 years ago
thank god we have that polio vaccine, and mumps were also gone, and i think they have chickenpox vaccine, i cant wait for the aids vaccine. I HOPE THE PUBLIC ISNT STUPID ABOUT STOPPING DANGEROUS DISEASES.
americadashi 2 years ago
Sign up for your jab then and by all means don't worry about the fact that it contains mercury, sqaline adjuvants, and other toxic ingredients. By all means don't worry about the fact that doctors and health professionals all over the world are refusing it, they are all wrong and Randi (the magician) is right LOL.
centrino105 2 years ago
If I were you I'd start by learning how to spell squalene before you propogate myths about its supposed toxicity. Just another clown spouting conspiracy theories with abosolutely no clue whatsoever about the science.
dla627 2 years ago
dla627,
I sincerely hope you and all JREF members take the vaccines, all of them, swim in them, you lying scumbags can go straight to hell. Your worried about spelling rather then what you inject into your blood stream, really smart. Please JREFers do not watch the videos linked below, smart people however should watch and learn.
Gary Null Speaking Out at the NYS Assembly Hearing | 10-13-2009
part 1 watch?v=y3XlJB7J5-o
part 2 watch?v=Ch5OuzB9L48
part 3 watch?v=tAgWO2yq1k8
centrino105 2 years ago
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dla627 2 years ago
What is wrong dla627? You still seem to be missing the point of the discussion which is about the vaccines. Maybe you have had too many vaccines already and that is why your brain does not seem to work so well.
centrino105 2 years ago
My point is that only someone who is (1) extremely ignorant or, (2) very poorly educated could possibly buy into this anti-vax propaganda.
All it takes is a quick look into the literature to see that what these so called experts are saying is simply not backed up by the evidence.
So in response to your post centrino105. No I most definately have NOT missed the point.
dla627 2 years ago 3
Well dla627 the question really comes down to who is telling the truth and who is putting out propaganda. You choose to believe what big pharma and government hacks like Steve Novella say in spite of their huge conflicts of interest.
I choose to believe the doctors and experts presented in films like Vaccine Nation which I bet you have not watched. In my view trusting the same government and big business interests that have performed horrible experiments on humans in the past is moronic.
centrino105 2 years ago
Look into the credentials of your so called "expert" Gary Null, his only qualifications come from a private college who award degrees via correspondance. They are not even accredited to award PhDs in the sciences!
Dr Novella is a practising neurologist and professor at Yale.
The term hack definately applies to one of these people....
dla627 2 years ago
There's the problem, you've guaged the "expert opinion" based on films with a clear agenda, instead of looking at the actual evidence yourself. Watching a documentary is not the same as carefully reading through the scientific literature. It really doesn't matter what a handful of doctors say, what matters is the evidence, and the evidence seems to support the idea that vaccination is largely safe, and saves millions of lives every year.
compactdisk2 2 years ago
"it contains mercury"
How much of the maximum safe dose?
"sqaline adjuvants"
An organic oil you can get from vegetables and seafood, and is naturally produced in the human body during vitamin D metabolism.
"other toxic ingredients"
Which you don't know the name of but assume must exist.
"the fact that doctors and health professionals all over the world are refusing it"
Meaningless without a percentage.
m3141592 2 years ago
I think he also has one of his shoe laces untied...... a bit of lint on his shirt too ......he must be flawed!!! is there a logical fallacy for painstaking criticism of somebody lecturing with no material in front of him?? people make errors and can t 'parrot' off stats like a robot.
anybody can find errors in a recorded lecture .........
thegliphic 2 years ago
I know many in the medical community who are giving the vaccine and none of them have refused it. I'm sure there is the odd superstitious nurse who has read too many sensationalist anti vax 'news' stories who will refuse the vaccine but they are very very few. Just another myth from the anti-vax industry.
ech1dna 2 years ago
Exactly, I occasionally hear people saying that "all sorts of medical professionals are refusing vaccines", yet most of these people don't personally deal with medical professionals on a daily basis. I do, many of my close friends and family members work in hospitals, are medical researchers, etc... and they ALL believe vaccination is important, and safe.
compactdisk2 2 years ago
#8) If the flu vaccine really works, then why was there no huge increase in flu death rates in 2004, the year when flu vaccines were in short supply and vaccination rates dropped by 40%?
Answer: There was no change in the death rate. You could drop vaccination rates to zero percent and youd still see no change in the number of people dying from the flu. Thats because flu vaccines simply dont work.
centrino105 2 years ago
New York Times Oct 16th,
A judge on Friday halted enforcement of a New York State directive requiring that all health care workers be vaccinated for swine flu.
The temporary restraining order by the judge, Thomas J. McNamara, an acting justice of State Supreme Court in Albany, is likely to add to the growing debate about the flu vaccine.
centrino105 2 years ago
Letter from the Health Protection Agency, the official body that oversees public health, has been leaked: It tells the neurologists that they must be alert for an increase in a brain disorder called Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), which could be triggered by the vaccine.
centrino105 2 years ago
[citation needed]
Setar 2 years ago
Try google lazy.
centrino105 2 years ago
Lazy? I'm not the one making claims and refusing to back them up.
Setar 2 years ago
I gave you the name of the paper the date and a clip from the article now if you don't know how to use google that is your problem pal. "Citation needed"? You are lazy pal if you can't find it with the info I posted and you don't even want to know the truth about vaccines. For all I care you can go right ahead and take the vaccines. I on the other hand have done vaccine research as opposed to JREF morons like you who just take Randi's word for everything as though he has credibility.
centrino105 2 years ago
"just take Randi's word for everything as though he has credibility. "
It has nothing to do with who Randi is. It has to do with how many of the peer-reviewed scientific studies show a link (none).
No evidence of a link has ever been described, even in anti-science sources.
The Wakefield study which started the rumor of an autism link was proven to be seriously flawed, and the author found guilty of misconduct.
m3141592 2 years ago 4
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The comments on this video show that the public refuse to swallow your filth. Utter cunts.
albertstenton 2 years ago
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The JREF forum is fast losing recruits. All you have to do is check their forum and see the sock puppets with 94 posts, user account opened 2007, yeah keep bringing out those sock puppetsyou cretinous pieced of shit. You are losing your satanic little game. You should all be executed.
albertstenton 2 years ago
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Fucking liars, you really are utter scum. Please fucking kill yourselves.
albertstenton 2 years ago
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Hahaha, the Lying rodents from JREF and their sinister TAM. Listen you wortless pieces of shit. The entire world is waking up and cover up mercants like yourself will not stop that. You are traitors of humanity. Now you JREF fuckers make sure you get all the vaccinations you can. The world would be a much more sweet smelling place without Zionist rodents like you scurrying around. HATE YOU ALL. PLEASE DIE SOON.
albertstenton 2 years ago
YESSS!
centrino105 2 years ago
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Published in the March 10 issue of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, the data show since mercury was removed from childhood vaccines, the reported rates of autism and other neurological disorders in children not only stopped increasing but actually dropped sharply by as much as 35 percent.
Truthstorm911 2 years ago
JPandS is NOT a peer reviewed scientific journal. Its a "psuedojournal" published by the ultraconservative political group AAPS to try and add legitimacy to their platform.
Once again, it is not a scientific journal, it is a political news letter.
ckretagentman 2 years ago 5
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September 25th, 2009 Seattle Times:
State OKs mercury in swine flu vaccine
By The Associated Press
OLYMPIA — The state Health Department will allow more mercury than usual in some of the swine flu vaccine to make sure shots are available to pregnant women and children under 3.
Perfect! A JREFer government shill like Steve Novella must be running the health department in Washington state. Pregnant women and children are MOST vulnerable to mercury.
Truthstorm911 2 years ago
People, before you start pissing your pants over anti-science scare tactics, I suggest you read up about the differences between ethyl mercy (the type used in thimerosal) and methyl mercury (the stuff found in industrial waste). Big differences.
MathReality 2 years ago
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Yes trust MathReality everyone he is a JREFer and knows all LOL. Vaccines are safe, war is peace, Oceania has always been at war with East Asia, resisting vaccines is thought crime, big brother loves you, JREFers are honest and care about the truth, believing otherwise is thought crime.
LMAO god JREFers are a sad bunch of pseudoskeptic liars.
Stick your arm out MathReality please and get your thimerosal (banned throughout Europe and Asia) Geee hmmmm I wonder why? Could there be a reason?
Truthstorm911 2 years ago
"Geee hmmmm I wonder why? Could there be a reason?"
yep, liars spreading false information causing panic.
either way, if you watched the video, he quite clearly makes the point that even when its use was discontinued, there was no drop in the conditions you claim it causes.
now run along kid. and btw, try not to call people liars. being a liar yourself is bad enough, but when you make yourself out to be a hypocrit, you just make things worse for yourself.
TheVenomPhoenix 2 years ago 3
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TheVenomPhoenix,
Yes vaccines are safe, war is peace, resisting vaccines is thought crime. JREF is double plus good, mercury is double plus good. Big brother loves you.
BTW Autism has gone up dramatically right along with increases in vaccines. Novella is a liar and you sir are an idiot. Please get your vaccine immediately.
Truthstorm911 2 years ago
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lol yeah steve novella's a liar!! hes trying to fool us all because they wdont want us to know vaccines are bad for you!!!
get a life.
ihatebobsaget1989 2 years ago
"Oh yeah!"
XmorbaneX 2 years ago 3
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Get your vaccine today dip shit.
Truthstorm911 2 years ago
3 QUESTIONS 911 TRUTHERS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK THEM:
Since the govt. committed 9/11, why arent truthers demanding the release of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed who is on trial for his life for a crime truthers claim he did not commit?
If there was no flight 93, please explain how 95% of the plane debris was recovered?
If there was no flight 77, please explain how 130+ witnesses reported seeing a plane?
ctcole77 5 months ago
Yup.
centrino105 2 years ago
In the early 20th century, mercury was administered to children yearly as a laxative and dewormer, and it was used in teething powders for infants.
Not to mention it was used in dental Amalgam tooth fillings pretty commonly until recent years.
Not to mention industrial pollution, From coal plants and the like.
Obasiliasfilosofos 2 years ago
If it was caused by mercury, Why is it that "autism is more wide spread now then in the past were mercury was more widely used in household products prior to government bans.
if it was the cause of autism, Why aren't the majority of children given inoculations becoming autistic?
Obasiliasfilosofos 2 years ago 3
Excellent points: and why didn't Autism rates decline when Mercury was removed from vaccines? Why wasn't Autism epidemic when Mercury was commonly played with in Elementary and Junior High School science classes before the dangers were identified (I remember this!)
StarTrekLivz 2 years ago 3
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If you think mercury is safe go get your vaccine pal. I really and truely wish all JREFers would double up on vaccines. Seriously JREFers get vaccinated PLEASE!
Truthstorm911 2 years ago
Alright Truthstorm911 it's time to put your money where your mouth is. I'll get the H1N1 vaccine as soon as I am able and if I develop no major physical or neurological problems within 6 months than you pay me $1,000 American. However if I develop an autistic spectrum disorder or a major physical or mental disorder than I will in turn pay you $10,000. Sound fair?
SpinyNorman416 2 years ago
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I don't think you understand what I am saying Spiny. I want you and all JREFers to get the vaccine. I withdraw all of my previous comments and I am now telling you the vaccines are perfectly safe. I strongly recommend you get your vaccine ASAP and make sure your family gets it too. ALl the stuff I said before was just made up there is no danger. Vaccines are double plus good, war is peace, big brother loves you.
Truthstorm911 2 years ago
Is it all vaccines that are toxic or only the H1N1 vaccine? I'm not really sure what your point is. If you claim that all vaccines are toxic,cause major health problems and are a government or NWO plot than do you believe that everyone who has ever gotten a vaccine is sick. On the other hand if it is only the H1N1 vaccine than I am perfectly willing to record my vaccination and provide some check-ins weeks down the road to show that I'm not dead or autistic.
SpinyNorman416 2 years ago
I love how people like Truthstorm like to connect vaccines with some big scary Big Pharma but probably ignore or even embrace "Big Natural", "Big Organic" or some pseudoscientific CAM modality. CAM (Complementary and Alternative medicine) should give all you grand-conspiracy types a boner. Know anything about the history of the DSHEA? If that shit doesn't phase you either (a) you are highly selective in what you call a conspiracy or (b) simply have little understanding of basic science.
MathReality 2 years ago
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sikovit 2 years ago
Truthstorm911. Perhaps you shouldn't have stopped taking your Clozapine. You clearly but into many conspiracy theories,regardless of all the evidence. By all means, please buy a shack in the woods of Montana, and write all your paranoid ramblings in notebooks. That way the evil establishment can't keep dosing you with mind control drugs in the drinking water.
dydx62x 2 years ago 4
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JREFers are the ones sticking their arms out for their murcury (oops ah... vaccine) not me pal. I won't let big pharma poison near me. I do hope every last one of you JREFers gets vaccinated. Washington State Health officials just lifted the restrictions on the amount of Thimerisol (Murcury for the slow JREF types) allowed in the vaccines. So the MD in the video is full of shit there is still murcury in the vaccines.
Gobble that poison up JREFers please do us a favor and take your vaccines!
Truthstorm911 2 years ago
How some actual evidence for your claims?
bobalot2 2 years ago
According to the DHS (Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry)
Mercury's harmful effects that may be passed from the mother to the fetus include brain damage, mental retardation, incoordination, blindness, seizures, and inability to speak. Children poisoned by mercury may develop problems of their nervous and digestive systems, and kidney damage.
So again JREFers PLEASE get vaccinated. In fact vaccines may be the reason JREFers are actually so stupid in the first place.
Truthstorm911 2 years ago
completely agree. just want to say your channel is great!!!! what about the jew and the blacks get them to take the poison to!!!!!!!!
boxpilot 2 years ago
Truthstorm, I work for the JREF and I have not only been vaccinated as prescribed by my doctor but my entire family has been also. No one in my family (25 family members) have had any side effects from any vaccines. You're ramblings without showing evidence shows everyone that you have no idea what you are talking about.
I also find it funny that there are anti vaccine types that complain about toxins in vaccines but freely use Botox, which more toxic then any in vaccines.
Get Real!
JamesRandiFoundation 2 years ago
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Good for you moron suck up that thimerisol and squaline and adjuvants.
Steve Novella is LYING about thimerisol (murcury based) being taken out of the vaccines in 2002 it is still there. Enjoy your toxic jab buddy my family is not vaccinated nor will they ever be and we are all fine. Vitamins and a healthy life style will serve us just fine thank you. You go ahead and listen to this NIH funded shill and we will see who is standing at the end.
Truthstorm911 2 years ago
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Seattle Times:
State OKs mercury in swine flu vaccine
By The Associated Press
OLYMPIA — The state Health Department will allow more mercury than usual in some of the swine flu vaccine to make sure shots are available to pregnant women and children under 3.
Suck up your dose of mucury JREFer and don't complain when you have all those unexplained problems down the road ok?
Truthstorm911 2 years ago
"No one in my family (25 family members) have had any side effects from any vaccines. You're ramblings without showing evidence shows everyone that you have no idea what you are talking about."
I haven't been vaccinated and I have never had any sickness other than colds every 10 years and the flu every 15 years. So this is evidence that vaccines are not needed? No. Your little personal rant there is not scientific. It's personal opinion and experience.
agnostic1100 2 years ago
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sikovit 2 years ago
Granted, while both of you offer just an anecdote, by not being vaccinated you are essentially a vector for the spread of rather unpleasant diseases. Look at communities that have lost herd immunity due to parents who don't have a clue and don't vaccinate their kids. What do we see? Outbreaks of diseases that were mostly eradicated.
If you think about it, it's a pretty big public safety concern.
MathReality 2 years ago
If your going to claim that the people who work for the JREF are slow than you should probably realize that it is spelled mercury not murcury. I think this dismantles your point about you and your entire family being fine because you haven't been vaccinated. Keep storming Truthstorm you make me laugh when I'm feeling down.
SpinyNorman416 2 years ago
So, because he misspelled a word, you believe him to be wrong in regard to his family being fine?
madworld10 2 years ago
My major argument isn't that he misspelled a word that is commonly used and is also part of his central thesis but the fact that he claims that the individuals at the JREF are "slow." I think that he should first try to proofread before he questions others intelligence and asserts that he and his family have no problems for the sole reason of not being vaccinated.
SpinyNorman416 2 years ago
I see. I was just trying to understand your logic.
Thanks.
madworld10 2 years ago
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You're a typical JREFer in every way SpinyNorman, concerned about the completely unimportant detail of a misspelled word while completely missing the point that you just had yourself and your family injected with mercury. You may be the local spelling bee champion but you are in fact dumb as a sack of hammers for sticking your arm out to be injected with toxins and adjuvants none of which you know the side effects of. To top it off the "vaccine" isn't tested and doesn't work. Brilliant JREFer.
Truthstorm911 2 years ago
I don't seem to understand your choice of the word "just". I have not "just" been vaccinated but instead been vaccinated throughout my entire life and have no notable physical or neurological problems to speak of. How can you claim that the H1N1 vaccine doesn't work when it hasn't even been distributed yet?
SpinyNorman416 2 years ago
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Google "squaline and vaccine" and see what you learn. JREFers disregard what I just said and please go get your vaccine immediately after all this MD says it is safe.
Truthstorm911 2 years ago
This doctors bread is buttered by NIH or (the government) for the slow JREFers in the house. Gee I wonder why he is pro vaccine? JREFers please do stick out your arms and take the H1N1 "vaccine". Rid us all of your stupidity. Murcury which this government stooge admits was in the vaccines until 2002 is one of the most toxic substances on earth. Go ahead and trust this government payrolled stooge when he tells you the vaccines are safe. LOL safe! Yeah they only wanted to pump murcury into kids.
Truthstorm911 2 years ago
Come on, mercury is certainly not "one of the most toxic substances on earth". Do you understand the difference between trace amounts, and toxic levels? Do you ever eat fish? If you do, you've probably been exposed to FAR more mercury than a lifetime of vaccinations. What, exactly, are the "side effects" of the H1N1 vaccine that you speak of, and where is the evidence for it?
compactdisk2 2 years ago
Before I retired from veterinary medicine, some reticent clients balked at having their dogs vaccinated against rabies, claiming it was a money-making scheme. I could not convince them that thousands of humans died annually in the U.S. prior to vaccinations being mandated. Of course, there are risks. Nothing is 100%, but the lives saved from a horrible death are much greater than the risks.
laraesque 2 years ago
What a shame that people don't understand that science and popular science are two different things. Science means repeated testing to support or refute findings. The media blasts the ignorant public with frightening findings, doing society a huge disservice. The public should be encouraged to demand continued testing, not to stop rationale preventative procedures.
laraesque 2 years ago 2
I shared this on my Facebook and Livejournal pages. Sadly, I found out that many of my friend believe vaccinations cause autism in children. To this video, the told me that they were just brain-washed corporate drones disseminating false information.
netmystique 2 years ago
It's really depressing... people simply refuse to listen to facts. Of course, if someone is completely talking out of their ass, claiming that vaccines kill 50% of the people who get them, or some such nonsense, they'd probably believe it hook, line, and sinker. If someone carefully demonstrated how they gathered the statistical data demonstrating that vaccines are safe and effective, they're a "government shill".
compactdisk2 2 years ago
Nice head of hair you have there, doctor Novella.
stopcicles 2 years ago
I was glad to be a part of this event.Very well said Steven.With a little hope ,maybe we can get people to be aware.The anti- vaxers have no proof and should stop parading around to the mi-informed like they have a point.
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truvelocity 2 years ago
Opposing vaccines is like opposing a fresh water supply. Only the magical thinkers and religious nutjobs do so, along with the haters of government.
stengevarsel 2 years ago 2
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I'm sorry James Randi, if my child gets autism from the thymericil in the vaccination or if my child DIES from the vaccination then there's no pros or cons to weigh.
Autism is a false scare?!?!? One in 150 ppl in america have it and it's a false scare!?!?!?
Bad call Randi. The truth of the matter is noone knows why so many americans die and get autism from their vaccinations and a guy on a podium isn't going to convince me either way.
fknugly222 2 years ago
Strange way of setting up an argument. Autism is not an ailment created by vaccination. It would be more useful if you posted the number of autists being what they are solely due to vaccination. Not a very large number, is it.
Cost/benefit risk ratio, anyone?
stengevarsel 2 years ago 4
"knows why so many americans die and get autism from their vaccinations"
Beg the question much?
The question is: do vaccines cause autism?
The answer is: No.
You need to learn how to think, before you try to argue.
UnBeguiled 2 years ago 5
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Being a pretentious asshole is one way to isolate yourself and make sure noone listens to you. Maybe you should learn how to communicate without insulting the recipient.
fknugly222 2 years ago
Be a hypocrite much?
Who's name calling and using profanity?
And there is nothing "pretentious" about setting someone straight who is as woefully mis-informed as you. Your false belief is dangerous.
UnBeguiled 2 years ago 6
Given that no evidence(that has stood up to enquiry.) linking vaccination and autism, has been presented, yes it is a false scare. The reduction in MMR has already, demonstrably cost lives in england.
sleepymagpie 2 years ago 4
Nobody will convince you. Your mind is made up.
You reached a conclusion and "conclusion" simply means "I am done thinking". Your mind is closed.
"The truth of the matter is noone knows why so many americans die and get autism from their vaccinations"
Ah! But you claim YOU do!
Your are using faulty logic and pre-selected pieces of data to support the conclusion you are not willing to change no matter what.
BohemianBlasphemy 2 years ago 3
The autism link with Thimerisol (Methyl Mercury, which is excreted without metabolic interaction... less Mercury gets into the blood and stays than from TOOTH FILLINGS) and hasn't been used in vaccines for 8 years. And no one is looking at rates of Autism when corrected for misdiagnosis before 1990. Autism is environmental and new diagnostic standards are showing the true rates. Vaccines have NOTHING to do with it.
RyuDarragh 2 years ago 4
No vaccine has ever been linked to any form of autism.
However, if it did cause that on occasion, you'd still be advised to take the chances because lack of vaccination has good potential for causing a severe case of death.
Especially if your immune system is bust which, in our society, it probably is.
SexyMelon 2 years ago
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Please go stick your arm out and get your dose of adjuvants like squaline. MMMM good. Don't worry no real testing was done on the H1N1 "vaccine" so you can just assume it is safe like the rest of the dip shit JREFers.
Truthstorm911 2 years ago
H1N1 vaccine isn't ready yet.
If that was meant to be some sort of parody or something, I should let you know that is sounds about the same as "Ha ha, you eat food to live, what a bunch of losers".
SexyMelon 2 years ago
Wow, what a horribly confused garbling of logic. Of course autism is real, but there's no reason to connect it to vaccines. Never was.
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"At the request of the CDC, AAN has asked its member neurologists and health care workers to report any instances of neurological diseases possibly connected to the vaccine, particularly Guillain-Barre syndrome, which resulted in the deaths of 25 individuals in the 1976 outbreak."
99minerkc 2 years ago
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truvelocity 2 years ago
You mean "balanced" as in "containing only evidence supporting one side of the discussion"?
Skrofler 2 years ago
always remember peeps..dont feed the trolls
zalmatra 2 years ago
i dont know if you could ever have a "Balanced debate" because the evidence will swing the hammer to one side usally overwhelmingly especially when the idea is based on faith like organic food....young earth creationists and anti vaccination folks its based on faith. faith is not equivlent to evidence and never should be even considered to ever be valid as a balancing factor of any disucussion.
zalmatra 2 years ago 4
The anti- vaccination fascist FOX "News" puppets should all be injected with the Polio virus: then ask them their opinions about vaccination.
Desertphile 2 years ago 4
extremism is bad either way. Sure, I won't get a vaccine for something simple. I'd rather fight it out. BUT, don't tell me if some life-threatening disease or epidemic is going around you won't get a vaccine to prevent it. To not do so is retarded.
Proghead88 2 years ago
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All people who are in favor of a vaccine and or are giving thumbs down, GO GET YOUR VACCINATIONS!!! My doctor said that he hasn't gotten a vaccination in years and sees NO need to get the SWINE flu vaccination either! WELL, THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME!! After all he is my doctor and a well known darn good one too!
99minerkc 2 years ago
great. Enjoy your tetanus, cholera, TB and a myriad of preventable diseases that people used to die from 100 years ago.
You can also enjoy me calling you a selfish ignoramus because you're not only putting yourself at risk.
BipedalHumanoid 2 years ago 3
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Oh, no! I'm not stupid!! I'm very selective though and do the research! The flu vaccine has NOT been proven like many vaccines have!! No, I won't get tetanus, cholera, TB, etc. NICE TRY THOUGH! : )
99minerkc 2 years ago
Also, when you're walking around with braces on your legs and arms, I will think to myself-DANG!! I'm glad I was selfish regarding the SWINE flu! : )
99minerkc 2 years ago
"At the request of the CDC, AAN has asked its member neurologists and health care workers to report any instances of neurological diseases possibly connected to the vaccine, particularly Guillain-Barre syndrome, which resulted in the deaths of 25 individuals in the 1976 outbreak."
99minerkc 2 years ago
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It's been 4 months now and still no tetanus, cholera, TB plus no swine or regular flu! o.O
99minerkc 1 year ago
Yep, thanks to the fact that most other people are vaccinated you selfish prick
BipedalHumanoid 1 year ago 4
@99minerkc Stop trolling, please. It's boring.
sleepcity 1 year ago 3
Yeah, and my grandma has been smoking for decades and still doesn't suffer from lung cancer.
Your point?