For the truth about religion try Robert M. Price, ' The reason driven life ' or John W. Loftus or Victor J. Stenger, ' God, the failed hypothesis' . Also interesting to have a look at the 1500BCE papyrus of Ani, with its god Osiris who weighs the heart to decide who can pass to the land of the living.[ The need to know the names of the gods & the negative confession & other magic texts to get there]. James Frazer's 'The Golden Bough' and C.S. Lewis, 'Mere Christianity'
In 1st Jn it is written that if you deny the on you have denied the Father as well.
Rob bell is in trouble.I think he is writting these books for two reasons, populairity and wealth. These are two thinks that scriptures tell belivers to stay away from.
Jesus made himself NO reputation ! Rob Bell is doing a great job getting his name out there! Paul said that those who love riches fall in to many hurtfull lust and trouble. 2 main reasons to reject Mr Bell
The doctrine of the Trinity has been a divisive issue throughout the entire history of the Christian church. While the core aspects of the Trinity are clearly presented in God’s Word, some of the side issues are not as explicitly clear. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God—but there is only one God. That is the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. Beyond that, the issues are, to a certain extent, debatable and non-essential.
Great, Rob, now follow this line of thinking, and it will lead to the Trinity being in all things. Past Present Future, Left, Center Right, -inf, 0, inf, Beginning, Middle, End, Father, Mother, Child, etc., etc.
Trinity, is an expression of connection, three aspects making a whole. Our minds, made of interaction of connected neurons, make connections of concepts. So its all connected. Its all trinity. Its all God in some sense.
bro william Branham said that both trinity and oneness are BOTH WRONG!
he said when you get it between oneness and trinity you will get it just exaclty
some of the in between terminology that he used was Jesus was a Dual person, Father and Son were inseperable or yoked together.
God and Christ were in divine fellowship. that is why when Jesus said I have sat down with my Father on His throne yet John only saw ONE sitting upon the throne
This is nothing but a FALSE, CONVENIENT gospel to please the masses and embrace every SIN....We are commanded to love all, and pray for everyone's salvation, but there canNOT be any compromise, I hope these convoluted leaders enjoy their short time of fame, that's what this is all about!....how flamboyant this guy is...hmmmm
@Den12tribe You do know that the ONLY thing that guarantees salvation is faith in Jesus and what he did for us. NOTHING ELSE CAN SEPARATE US FROM HIM.
The only thing convoluted here is that you seem to believe that someone who points toward Jesus is a blasphemer.
These verses do not say that God could somehow be more than one person. In fact, it makes it quite clear that he is one person, even while stating that he is creative, that he is spiritual, and that he speaks words.
Rob Bell you twist the Word of God to your fiancial advantage Woe to you! The primary Message , the Gist of the Bible is that God wants you with Him in Heaven eternally through his Beloved Son and that we don't need to do anything except accept Jesus and confess Him as Lord God you blasphemous deciever Woe to you! It is a free gift you don't have to do anything even if you are still a sinner Yeshua died for your sins he didn't say ah ok my blood will cover your sins till you're 38 ?
@momothelemur ???? Sorry I don't quite get what you saying :)
The Amazing Grace I know saved a chief of sinners like me, my message to Rob has nothing to do with grace tho, as he is trying to say that God wants us in hell and we need saving from this cruel God......
@babyboqboq At what point in this video did he say that God wants us in hell? Please point me to where in his teachings so far he has made this claim?
If he has, I will apologise, if not, why call him a deceiver?
the word of God is to be taught properly, not to make a party of it. the truth is that I have nothing to say about this video because it has neither beginning nor end, but in my own personal opinion, without offending anyone, rob bell is only looking good and being a revolutionary. I can not deny the man is smart, but in his own opinion, I do not think he has a relationship with the Holy Spirit AT ALL, he is just cool.
the word of God is to be taught properly, not to make a party of it. the truth is that I have nothing to say about this video because it has neither beginning nor end, but in my own personal opinion, without offending anyone, rob bell is only looking good and being a revolutionary. I can not deny the man is smart, but in his own opinion, I do not think he has a relationship with the Holy Spirit AT ALL, he is just cool.
I am not saying Mr. Bell is Biblical I just would say that the original author(Moses) in these sets o verses (Genesis 1:1-3) was not attempting to show a trinity essence of God.
"Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth."
Did Moses write this, or did someone who was closely associated with Moses write this/pass this down in oral tradition? Because if Moses wrote it, then he's totally not humble.
I'm having serious doubts about Moses actually being the one who penned the first five books. Maybe he wrote some parts, but not all.
To hit home further, what about the part where it mentions Moses's death and being buried? Did he predict that, or was he writing as he died? But how did he know where he was being buried? 5 And Moses the servant of the LORD died there in Moab, as the LORD had said. 6 He buried him in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is.
I'm not saying that Moses did not contribute anything to the first 5, just that he's not alone writing.
@sapnyosentry Moses did not write that he was humble. Humble is an English tranlsation of what he wrote in Hebrew:
עָנָו
The Hebrew word that he wrote is 'anav, which means meek. It has been translated by someone else to mean humble because someone else thought that he was humble. He himself thought that he was 'anav.
Are you saying that Moses wrote all of Numbers by himself or that he contributed or that it was based on events surrounding Moses written by people close to him?
Think about what I'm saying literally. Moses writing Numbers by himself is unlikely. As I mentioned before, they preferred oral tradition. I think that others helped Moses write down what he passed orally.
I'm not removing the integrity of the Torah, I'm just saying Moses didn't sit down and pen it by himself.
What Does Jude 1-23 mean with this ? "after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. ..." Jude warned us about preachers like this. Beware!
"Christians" are fucked in the head!!! Reading all your comments is funny. GROW UP. There is a world of information to learn about the bible and theology. DO SOME RESEARCH AND THINKING
The scriptures put it plainly we are to have the “faith OF Jesus”, deny that and deny the scriptures. The difference that you cannot see is that a true believer is to have the same faith that the Son of God had, what kind of faith did the Son of God have? In whom did the Son of God place his faith; Himself? Romans 3:22, Gal2:16, Gal 3:22, Rev 14:12 the term ‘faith IN Jesus’ is not found. The problem with most ‘Christians’ they are NOT scriptural, they are Bible illiterate.
The word Elohiym can be plural or singular. It means “gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural) of the supreme God; occasionally to magistrates; and angels”. Notice it can mean ‘gods in the ORDINARY sense or notice “OF THE Supreme God. As for the Spirit being God, what does the Scripture state? Gen 1:2 Please notice that the Spirit is NOT god as Rob falsely claims but the Spirit is in Fact the Spirit OF God. Is there a difference between God the Spirit and Spirit OF God?
So a spiritual god that creates and speaks must necessarily have 3 personalities? That doesn't follow. Everywhere else in the Hebrew Bible, Yahweh affirms his singular nature. I mean come on, the word Trinity isn't even in the New Testament. It's incredibly arrogant to claim the concept exists in the Old as well.
Error number 1, in his opening statement...the Bible was not originally written in the Hebrew. Most of the OT was Hebrew. Most of the NT was written in Greek.
@GibsonJared The OT was written before the NT and while yes you are indeed correct, his point in discussing the OT was that it was first written in Hebrew. The word Bible does not have to mean the Christian Bible, it can also refer to the Hebrew Bible which is what Bell is discussing and therefore the fact that the NT was written in Greek has no significance here.
@godswordsheal Forget Rob Bell. Would you say that there are people who will go to heaven who have not put their faith in Jesus? (Universalism) Now, would you say that all roads lead to heaven is heresy? If someone taught that would that make him a heretic? So the question boils down to does Rob Bell believe in Universalism or doesn't he? I would argue yes. Listen to his latest video on youtube "Love Wins" it wreeks of universalism and the book is oozing universalism.
@watsumo When will all the Bell haters stop hating Bell and start loving God?! It's like your faith means nothing if you can't point at someone and call them wrong. And then you'll tell me Jesus would be with you. HA! You think Jesus came down and preached Hell fire. Did Jesus say "Repent for the Kingdom of HELL is near"? NO! Jesus was about Heaven not about Hell. Jesus was about love not about hate. Jesus was about sacrifice not about murder. Think about that before you attack Bell.
@godswordsheal The Son of God did teach what would happen if you did not repent. You are incorrect in claiming that the Son of God only taught 'love'. It is not bell that is being attacked, just what he is teaching. By their fruit ye shall know them. By bells fruits I know him to be a false teacher. He has time to repent I hope, for none of us know how much time we have.
@sampson802002 You misunderstood. I did not say Jesus only taught love. I said Jesus was about love not hate. Jesus certainly taught about Hell, but He was not about Hell. He did not come to earth to die for Hell. He came to die to bring Heaven down. If by fruit you mean Bell giving hope to people that there is a God up there greater than our pathetic minds can make up then I guess to you Jesus would be false too.
@watsumo According to the Scripture we are not to have our faith IN Jesus. The Scripture is Very plain that we are to have the "faith OF Jesus". There is a huge difference between the two.
@sampson802002 You are straining at a gnat my friend. to have faith in is trust... one is to completely put one's trust in Christ alone. technically John's Gospel never even uses the word faith but "believe" instead.
It is interesting that you make such quick judgments about Rob Bell's latest video and book. Listen carefully to the video, Rob doesn't make any statements, he asks questions. So, he hasn't made any statements that reflect universalism (he is known for playing devil's advocate and getting people's attention). Secondly, how do you know his book is "oozing universalism" when it isn't out yet??
I just think lots of people don't agree with him because they're not open minded or intelligent enough to understand his teachings. I love the man and believes that God has given him the gift of abundant knowledge in His word. if you're skeptical about it, pray for him and stop bashing him for what he does. It's true; you can't please everybody, even when you're doing right!
@dadsbug91 Funny that you should say this since God says in a public voice "This is my SON in whom I am well pleased" or you could try the verse when Jesus says "I am going to my Father's house to prepare a place for you." I'm not sure what bible your reading but my bible has both of those verses.
There is no trinity anywhere in the bible much less than in Genesis. Rob's use of elohim shows complete ignorance of the plural of majesty - common in semitic languages. This is so basic it is sad - there are thousand ways to show it is baloney - you ought to be able to figure out one on your own.
He is correct on Elohim. However just because he is correct on one thing and preaches damnable heresies most other times, does not mean he's a true teacher. The man teaches contempletive prayer & buddhism mixed with Christianity. He is a new ager! That's what he emergent church is about. He and Robert Schuller are RETHINKING Christianity. These people are leading others to hell! Come from out of these churches you true people of God. Come from out of them unless you want the judgement they get
@KakkoiGuy1 You forgot to mention Carlton Pearson. His gospel of inclusion is truly new age, and he is now a new age minister. He says no one goes to hell for unbelief.
@k0smon So true my friend. I only mentioned this heretic new ager because this is who the video was by but you're absolutely right. Pearson is just as bad. For those that think Bell is CHristian, I pray that God gives you discernment. As for Pearson... His gospel of inclusion is also "Another Gospel" and is accursed. It's completely self centered and not God centered. Good call on that K0smon.
our church used to use his videos a lot. we haven't seen any new ones though. i've seen a lot of controversy especially over his book velvet elvis. idk. i'd have to read it myself. his videos i believe are from the Bible. but as far as what he said in velvet elvis or what people said he's said, i'm not sure. i'd have to read it.
hahaha i do not trust his broken strongs hebrew! Bara is more correctly understood to form or fashion or to "fatten". not ex nihilo (greek) as commonly related to (out of nothing) sorry Greek man trying to teach Hebrew. lol
we know god is 3 in 1 whats the deal the old testment always forshadows the new . But i dont know about the rest of gis teachings . but on thins ONE point i will stand with him . new way to look at it .
There's a ton of outrage in the posts here, but I don't see what he said that was so wrong. God is triune... Elohim is a plural word... What's wrong with what he said?
I have read all but the newest of Rob's books, as well as fifty other books about religion and what the Bible says...I have found nothing put more beautifully than the relationship painted by Bell in "Sex God". Going to his church to check out what it is really like this spring. Really hope to get to meet the man.
I saw this video yesterday in our bible study group and everything he says is totally in line with the Bible. I suggest you all watch the hole DVD and then comment on this video
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nope, maybe about 80%-90% of what he teaches allines with the Bible, its the other 10%-20% that is wrong, which makes him a false teacher, which means dont listen.
How do you know what is right? Every denomination differs on where they stand doctrinally, which means everyone is wrong, right? Not at all! It all comes down to your relationship with Jesus Christ, not whether or not you believe that the gift of tongues is still existing today or not.
you know what is right by what the Bible says. yes the relationship with God is first and formost in being saved, but there is an aboslute truth and we are called as Christians to know it, and as teachers to preach it exactly 100% according to the Bible. Read Matthew 7:22-23 and 1 John 4:1
I agree that there is an absolute truth and that we as Christians should know it, but we aren't going to agree on everything. My previous comment was directed at those who think because Rob Bell differs a bit on theology, they think he is going to hell. However, Rob Bell remains steadfast for his love for Jesus and truly believes that Jesus is the only way to heaven. I agree with we should all know the truth, but the fact is we don't.
oh i see, what your talking about is stuff like did God create everything in a literal 6 days or was it longer. read Mark Edward Sohmer's review on Rob Bell's velvet elvis. if you cant find it let me know and i'll help you out.
John Calvin and Martin Luther were the most important in Christianity world. I believe they did more studying and research from Rob Bell, why what John Calvin and Martin Luther told us very different from Rob Bell? There are a lot of people do thorough research on bible, I dont believe only Rob Bell know the origin or Hebrew language. why only him voice out? How about others?
hello friend, God won't look at how good our language is. our heart is most important. I don't have proper English, but I do know how to respect people. you have good English but low EQ!
I watched this video quite recently. I also have access to the Bible with the Old Testament in Hebrew and the New Testament in Greek. I have yet to hear something from him that is not directly unbiblical, and I have yet to hear anything from him that does not reflect what the Bible says about whatever topic he may be talking about (that I've heard).
Do a youtube search for "Rob Bell Nooma Dust Review" and click on the first result. I dare you to watch that video and tell me that you still think Rob Bell accurately reflects the Bible.
It sure does reflect the bible .Bell is never nore has he ever said Peter could walk across the water on his own accord . Bell and Peter both know full well by who's power Peter could walk on water. Lets bear better fruit least we all be cast into the lake of eternal fire.
Too bad his scholarship is WAY off, at least from a critical reading. The book of Genesis is a post-exilic book merged with Babylonian myths to argue against the reality of other Gods, that's why God created things, to show that other gods were not to be feared; its an argument against Theogany (creation of the gods).
Even Karl Barth, the supreme Christocentric Theologian does not concern himself with Genesis as everything surrounds the Christ Event, and the Word made flesh.
The book of Genesis is important because it shows us how God slowly revealed His truth to his people, turning their hearts toward Him. Abraham grew up in Ancient Sumeria, raised by Sumerians, so God used the existing belief system to reveal that he is a God of love and Justice. You can see the belief systems change little by little as God conquers local ideas and slowly reveals himself and His love. He still works this way (i.e.- scientific discovery). Genesis is an extremely important book.
Genesis IS important, but for different reasons. Looking at the book as history is missing much of the point...and yes, "SHE" does reveal herself in many ways.
I like your thinking LHSEupho10 cor we must be great witness' to people who don't believe in God... we argue amongst our selfs about trivial things..... If Rob Bell is wrong let God be the judge who are we to make any sort judgment against him we are all messed up as it is.... I personnally have watched this whole dvd and quite a lot of Robs stuff and have found it very biblical and challenging... I have an idea guys lets stop arguing
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
How about instead of arguing over a youtube video and making biased claims on whether Mr. Bell is correct or not, just read a bible. If you don't believe in God or you just try to disprove Gods existence than I tell you this... Good luck on trying to disprove his existence. So don't bring your stuff here
@LHSEupho10 Actually, the inverse is true. Generally in science, you don't attempt to prove the negation of a phenomenon, e.g., god doesn't exist, but rather you test the existence of a hypothetical phenomenon using the scientific method. As an example, I could state that 3 headed purple dragons exist. Prove they don't. Hypothetically, somewhere in the multiverse, they could exist. The burden of proof is always one those attempting to prove something exists, not the other way around.
The doctrine of the trinity (It was adopted formally by Catholics AD325 and accepted by Protestants)states that " The Holy Spirit proceeds from the father thru the son"-New Catholic Encyclopedia(vol14pg301) This would limit the holy ghost to the New Testament, right.If that's true then how in the Old did the Holy ghost proceed from King David-Mark12:36 and virgin Mary before the son's birth Matt1:18-20?(remember in thinking upon the trinity they arrived on it-Encyclo.Of Religion(vol10pg461)
I've read over 100 comments on this video since I posted it, and not once has anyone presented sufficient material which would prove why Bell is unbiblical. You can make claims against what Bell is teaching here all day- but I remain unconvinced until you clearly communicate how his teaching is biblically false, complete with references and sources.
Trust me, I'm skeptical of his and every other pastor's teachings. What we are trying to see here is if what he preaches lines up with scripture.
@justsamsel in Velvet elvis, he says Peter lost fath in himself, not Jesus when he sank on the sea.(pg.133 and 134) "Hell is full of forgiven people"...WRONG!(page 146) The Bible is clear...not some vague "collection of stories and poems" His example regarding the Sabbath on pg. 46 was settled by Jesus..."The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath"...Bell missed this."Where does one go..." He should read 1 Cor 1:18-31 There's more if you like.
@justsamsel it may not be necessarily that he is unbiblical, but what he is saying doesnt make any sense. the verses does NOT say that God is a creator, a spirit, and a word. the verses DO say the God is a creator, who HAS a spirit, and SPEAKS a word to call light into being. i dont disagree with the trinity, but these first verses do not at all mean what he just said they did, and anyone listening can hear that.
where is the original texts written by the original authors?you people always say he teaches from the originals and that is the lie. I hope I do not have to explain why its a lie if you can't show me the originals, that is the trick to convince by saying the originals say. If your really a skeptic you will study what sent the world into the dark ages( should of learned that in high school) and what was discovered to bring out of the dark ages.
@justsamsel The reason it is unbiblical is because the trinity is a later concept - or as some say a later revelation revealed in the NT, and he is imposing those views ON the ancient Hebrew text. That text is not meant to be read viewing God as Three persons - but God is One Duet 6:4 singular being - The hebraic culture never viewed Gods spirit or word as two beings equal with God and fully God as well - the entire Tanach testifies of this, the scripture is my witness.
@BaruchHashemYahweh But later on you see Jesus claiming he is of the father and the father in him, Jesus also claims he knew you since before you were created meaning "The Word" was already existent and co-operating with 'the elohim'
@GabrielProductions1 EVeryone is OF the Father - the Father is God - what do you expect - he gives life to all creatures. And in what verse does Yahushua claim he knows us since before we were created? not to mention, thats a logical fallacy - you cannot KNOW someone BEFORE they existed - God may have been thinking of creating you beforehand but he did not KNOW you literally, just figuratively in his mind. The word was co operating with the elohim?? Elohim is God - so the word is another god?
@justsamsel I wrote a few pages detailing Bell's heresies; comparing his ramblings with scripture. This video, in particular, seems fine to me but he teaches plenty of heresy elsewhere. Maybe you could listen to Chris Rosebrough exegete Bell's messages on Pirate Christian Radio. Chris does a great job of showing how Bell contradicts scripture. Bell is a universalist and doesn't believe in a literal hell. He denies being a universalist but he's talking out of both sides of his mouth.
No one is attacking Bell personally-I've have contact him and shown him what he teaches isn't in the bible.There are many good people out there but if we are to be Christians we need to obey Christ's words.Bell might be the greatest man since slice cheese but if he fails to preach the word of God as an pastor don't you think he's failed in his duty?If you have a security guard and he lets theives slip by and says nothing would you want him protecting you-probably so from your statements.peace2u
Excuse me, but what justifies people attacking his messages? Rob Bell is an incredible preacher with a much deeper look on things than most people. He may not be right in everything - NO MAN IS. But his words have impacted the youth of America and lead people to God in ways no one else has managed before. That deserves respect. So please, everyone stop being jerks who think they're the only ones who know the "truth" of the Bible.
jerk' hmmm, thats a very christian outlook on pople. i think not. this kind of forum is set up or peoples opinions thus people,shock /horror, may have different views from you. so calling people jerks when you disagree with them shows what kind of growing p may need still to take place 4u
out of context lad. i could recount plenty of occassions when the same Lord never did anything when fully justified. anyway you wouldnt call me a jerk to my face ,i can assure you of that, but from the safety of a PC people become very brave all of a sudden. anyway your banned from posting to me personally.
It is not possible to simply do what the Bible says, Bell writes.This is part of the problem with continually insisting that one of the absolutes of the Christian faith must be a belief that Scripture alone is our guide. It sounds nice but it is not true When people say that all we need is the Bible, it is simply not true-Bell.2Pet1:20.The bible not for private interpretation.Gal1:6-8 Though anyone, even Angels preach any other Gospel, they are cursed.Got God or you got Bell.I chose God.Paz
In Genisis1:26 God said let us make man in our image.Elohim pronounced el-o-heem from Strong's Ex. Cond. Here It is define as God talking to Magistraites,Judges,mighty ones,Angels ect. So God was speaking to his angels who carry out or execute his will,see Heb1:7,Gen3:24,Num22:22-31.AD150Justin said Jesus was 2nd to God.AD197 Tertullian inventsTheTrinity from Plato's Timaeus.Adopted in Nicene council AD325 to stop oneness.Nobody ever baptizes in 3 but in Jesus Read Acts2:38,10:36-48,ect.Paz2u2
Can anyone show me from scripture where it says God is three persons? How can the Son be begotten John3:16 .. If trinitarians say hes eternal.. You cant have one and the other. The Spirit of God hovered upon the water..
So are you saying within this Spirit of God there are three persons who love, talk and send one another with seprate minds and wills.. That sounds like three gods to me.
the Father is the Creator, Jesus is the Word of God and God is Spirit.this is all in the Bible.if you don't know this from the Bible then what do you know?
Call me crazy but Rob Bell doesn't seem as 'dangerous' as people make him out to be. Arguing over minor details, shouting out hyperbole is only going to make non-Christians think we are more insane than we really are.
Mr. Bell is brainwashing the kids of today with his crazy ideology. His craving for money and his lavish lifestyle will be his down fall when he come before Christ. I'm praying for you and the boys you seduce.
Excuse me, but what justifies this statement? What "crazy ideology?" Rob Bell is an incredible preacher with a much deeper look on things than most people. He may not be right in everything - NO MAN IS. But his words have impacted the youth of America and lead people to God in ways no one else has managed before. That deserves respect.
God is a Spirit (John 4:24, spirits do not hands) Also Mark 14:62 says you will see Jesus at the right hand of power. So look again to Acts 7 and read on they stoned Stephen calling upon God(He called To God not a Third part of a trinity-right.)"Lord Jesus receive my Spirit" and then he died. Look what is more important is you repent be baptized in Jesus name as your faith in action will save you.James ch2. All 8 Baptisms in Acts 2:38,4:10-12,8:1-38,10:1-48,16:30-33,19:1-5,22:16 were in Jesus
But Stephen, full of the HOLY SPIRIT, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of GOD, AND JESUS standing at the right hand of God. 56"Look," he said, "I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God."
But Stephen, full of the HOLY SPIRIT, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of GOD, AND JESUS standing at the right hand of God. 56"Look," he said, "I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God."
God is a Spirit (John 4:24, spirits do not hands) Also Mark 14:62 says you will see Jesus at the right hand of power. So look again to Acts 7 and read on they stoned Stephen calling upon God(He called To God not a Third part of a trinity-right.)"Lord Jesus receive my Spirit" and then he died. Look what is more important is you repent be baptized in Jesus name as your faith in action will save you.James ch2. All 8 Baptisms in Acts 2:38,4:10-12,8:1-38,10:1-48,16:30-33,19:1-5,22:16 were in Jesus
If the so-called trinity is the cornerstone of Christianity then how did the church of the first 3 centuries get along without it ? The Encyclopedia Americana 1956Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was Unitarian or believing in one God. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching
you are so far off base it is laughable. Early Christianity, starting with Christ, Oddly enough, clearly had a concept of the trinity. Christ teaches numerous times that He and the Father are one... and that when He has gone the father will send the comforter (Holy Spirit). Correspondence to and from Roman Emperors like Nero speak of Christians and their strange three headed God, clearly a mistaken image of the trinity.
I think Paul would have called him a stumbling block. The sad thing is there are people out there who will read his drivel and because he threw in a bunch of bible refrences they will assume it is safe to deny the Trinity and thereby disregard the divinity of Christ.
"Neither the word trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord' (Deut. 6:4). . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since."
In Genesis ch 1 When God is creting the world he is talking to the angels and not two other clones. Abraham talked to the Lord God in Gen.18 and the two that with him turned out to be angels who recued lot. Zech 14:9 states the Lord and his name are one. Paul said "God is one". So who do you believe God or man ? Peter said," repent and be baptized in the name of Jesuse" in Acts as well as "It's better to believe God than a man". Trust and obey-James ch 2, Mark 16:16, and Heb 9:22- God. Peace .
Ond God who can show himself in many forms: a burning bush to Moses, a pillar of fire and a cloud to the Hebrews, and the seven spirits of the church in Revelations. We must be baptized in the family name of God which is Jesus -Col 3:17 , Acts 2:38, and Phil 3:10-15 among others explain this out. Until 325 a.d. the doctrine of the trinity was'nt even developed. Muslims believe in One God as well as the Jews and so did the early Christians. In fact you can see there is one god by what he made.
God is One in the Old (Deut 6:4 , Isaiah chapters 40-50, and Zech 14:9)and New (Rev 4:2,Math 28:18, and 1 Tim 3:16)Testaments. The trinity was developed at first by the Babalonians, Egyptians, and Hindus among others. The trinity derived by the Catholic church was derived from Plato's ideas and as a compromise to the Pagans. All history of the early church teaches that all the disciples both believed and taught of one God.
Tertullian (who apparently was the first to use the word "trinity" in reference to God) and Hippolytus of Rome succeeded in changing the mode of water baptism from being performed "in the name of Jesus Christ" to use of the titles "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost", thereby abandoning the "only NAME given among men whereby we must be saved" in baptism
But Stephen, full of the HOLY SPIRIT, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of GOD, AND JESUS standing at the right hand of God. 56"Look," he said, "I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God."
God in this incident appeared in a form that stephen was able to see. he appears in different forms throughout the Bible: a dove, a pillar of fire, etc.
Moses' doctrine, which every Jew subscribed to was "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord," (Deuteronomy 6:40 ) Irenaeus, furthered the confusion, stating that "the Son of God became the Son of Man", introducing a previously unheard of concept of an eternal son, and contradicting the Apostles' premise that the Son was conceived by the Holy Ghost in the "fullness of time", and in fact, "made of woman" (Galatians 4:4).
Daniel: I take the Bible as being correct, and I will not add to it. I have the Father, Son and Spirit. I will not use the word "Trinity" because God did not use it. It is a pagan concept.
My Protestant and Jewish ancestors fled to America in the 1600's because they were being burnt at the stake for not accepting the Roman Catholic Doctrine of the Trinity. It will take a lot more than your anger and verbal abuse to force me into adding Roman words to God's Bible. Jesus was a Jew, not Roman.
Rob's spiritually largely very healthy. But I am a Jewish Christian and reject the Roman Catholic Trinity. I did not hear Rob using the word "Trinity" here, although it sounds too trinitarian for me. God is plural because in Hebrew plural denotes MAGESTY. But God is not not "several", nor "community", nor "multiple person". God is one, echad,singular, Creator. God's Name YHWH means Cause. God has a Spirit, and expresses Word. But it does not say that God WAS what he spoke. Expression isn't Cause
To Danieljr3: Jesus, who manifests the presence of God, is the closest thing to me. We are both believers in Jesus, and we are both seeking truth. Your accusations against me are defiling God to every person reading your angry condemnations. STOP THE HATE.
I think Rob Bell is awesome and I want to get more of his videos and show them to my church.
The word "Trinity" is most certainly not in the Bible. The Roman Catholics admit that they invented the concept over 300 years after Christ.
Why is the web so filled with angry bloggers belitteling people and spewing accusation without being provoked?
Daniel, if you are going to spew hate, then find another subject and don't do it in the name of Jesus. You are making Jesus look bad and you are making Rob Bell look bad by association.
Satan is "The Accuser". Jesus is the lost person's "Advocate". We tell others who our father is by the spirit that we show. Find something good in other's faith to build on.
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ...In lovehe predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will...In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace...made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ,...to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ.WHAT BIBLE DO YOU RED?
I studied Hebrew. And ELOHIM can show a kind of PLURAL in order to show a kind of MAJESTY. Nevertheless you should know that in the world of the OT the word was consider a representation of the being og GOD. PROV 8 And in the 2 sentury of the church the first theologians when wrote about Jesus they use the same languaje that Rob Bell is using. So, go and and studie some theology of the christian origings and you will find that this video is no so far of that. And please dont be so IGNORANT
He just isn't QUITE there...he kind of twists things around and doesn't get them quite right. He just doesn't practice good hermeneutics. And, frankly, he just creeps me out.
Rob's appeal has far less to do with his actually originality and profundity than the context that he is being these things in. I came to him really wanting to be impressed by him but I just haven't been in the same way that I've been impressed by Mclaren or Boyd or Barna. Don't get me wrong, I think he's got a solid relevant message for a certain section of the evangelical population who are hungry for something new and real and that doesn't smell like the usual 'team spirit'.
I do believe in God and I think this guy rocks. I do not get why people are pounding on him for what he is saying, and no I am not the perfect Christian. I do not pick up my Bible every day, I do not listen to Godly music, and I do not go to church. But I think this guy conveys his thoughts about God in a great, intertresting, down to earth way.
just to be clear....Bell is off, he obviously took a limited Hebrew course... Though the ending of Elohim can represent plurality, it also is commonly used for royalty or strength... Genesis never notes that God WAS what he "spoke" just that he spoke... By the way I do believe in the trinity, but this guy has an odd hermeneutic...
Wow. Sounds mystical. The Trinity mocks God and His Christ.
TruthAtlas 2 months ago
What??? "This God is many..." God is one God not many gods running around doing things...don't twist everything all up man...
Schwabauerable 4 months ago
For the truth about religion try Robert M. Price, ' The reason driven life ' or John W. Loftus or Victor J. Stenger, ' God, the failed hypothesis' . Also interesting to have a look at the 1500BCE papyrus of Ani, with its god Osiris who weighs the heart to decide who can pass to the land of the living.[ The need to know the names of the gods & the negative confession & other magic texts to get there]. James Frazer's 'The Golden Bough' and C.S. Lewis, 'Mere Christianity'
zytigon 4 months ago
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Genesis 1:26. Let us make man in our own image. Who's us?
hatfieldadam 6 months ago
God and Jesus. Jesus is the creator of all things, but it was of God, by Jesus.
ryourhm 6 months ago
In 1st Jn it is written that if you deny the on you have denied the Father as well.
Rob bell is in trouble.I think he is writting these books for two reasons, populairity and wealth. These are two thinks that scriptures tell belivers to stay away from.
Jesus made himself NO reputation ! Rob Bell is doing a great job getting his name out there! Paul said that those who love riches fall in to many hurtfull lust and trouble. 2 main reasons to reject Mr Bell
MrTwinsrule 8 months ago
The doctrine of the Trinity has been a divisive issue throughout the entire history of the Christian church. While the core aspects of the Trinity are clearly presented in God’s Word, some of the side issues are not as explicitly clear. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God—but there is only one God. That is the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. Beyond that, the issues are, to a certain extent, debatable and non-essential.
momothelemur 8 months ago
Great, Rob, now follow this line of thinking, and it will lead to the Trinity being in all things. Past Present Future, Left, Center Right, -inf, 0, inf, Beginning, Middle, End, Father, Mother, Child, etc., etc.
Trinity, is an expression of connection, three aspects making a whole. Our minds, made of interaction of connected neurons, make connections of concepts. So its all connected. Its all trinity. Its all God in some sense.
vdizhoor 8 months ago
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bro william Branham said that both trinity and oneness are BOTH WRONG!
he said when you get it between oneness and trinity you will get it just exaclty
some of the in between terminology that he used was Jesus was a Dual person, Father and Son were inseperable or yoked together.
God and Christ were in divine fellowship. that is why when Jesus said I have sat down with my Father on His throne yet John only saw ONE sitting upon the throne
dieselcowboy777 8 months ago
This is nothing but a FALSE, CONVENIENT gospel to please the masses and embrace every SIN....We are commanded to love all, and pray for everyone's salvation, but there canNOT be any compromise, I hope these convoluted leaders enjoy their short time of fame, that's what this is all about!....how flamboyant this guy is...hmmmm
Den12tribe 8 months ago
@Den12tribe You do know that the ONLY thing that guarantees salvation is faith in Jesus and what he did for us. NOTHING ELSE CAN SEPARATE US FROM HIM.
The only thing convoluted here is that you seem to believe that someone who points toward Jesus is a blasphemer.
momothelemur 8 months ago
These verses do not say that God could somehow be more than one person. In fact, it makes it quite clear that he is one person, even while stating that he is creative, that he is spiritual, and that he speaks words.
1GodOnlyOne 8 months ago
@1GodOnlyOne Why can't God be 3 in 1?
momothelemur 8 months ago
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Rob Bell either does NOT KNOW the Bible, or deliberately LIES!
rickgigliotti 8 months ago
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Rob Bell you twist the Word of God to your fiancial advantage Woe to you! The primary Message , the Gist of the Bible is that God wants you with Him in Heaven eternally through his Beloved Son and that we don't need to do anything except accept Jesus and confess Him as Lord God you blasphemous deciever Woe to you! It is a free gift you don't have to do anything even if you are still a sinner Yeshua died for your sins he didn't say ah ok my blood will cover your sins till you're 38 ?
babyboqboq 9 months ago
@babyboqboq Fail for not understanding Grace.
momothelemur 8 months ago
@momothelemur ???? Sorry I don't quite get what you saying :)
The Amazing Grace I know saved a chief of sinners like me, my message to Rob has nothing to do with grace tho, as he is trying to say that God wants us in hell and we need saving from this cruel God......
P.S I agree with your trinity comment tho!
babyboqboq 8 months ago
@babyboqboq At what point in this video did he say that God wants us in hell? Please point me to where in his teachings so far he has made this claim?
If he has, I will apologise, if not, why call him a deceiver?
momothelemur 8 months ago
@momothelemur ook called love wins please log on to equip.org search rob bell for more info
soulkiss1001 7 months ago
@momothelemur i heard he made that claim in a book called love wins please log on to equip.org search rob bell for more info
soulkiss1001 7 months ago
this is fun, Elohim, barah, tohu vavohu, sounds biblcal to me, peace
123clanger 9 months ago
this person is very very scary. on how he may influence others...
pemznoy1979 9 months ago
@pemznoy1979 yes he is indeed he must be shown to be the deciever he is
babyboqboq 8 months ago
Don't finger point or fault find unless you have means to change what is being taught, otherwise you will follow in fool's folly.
Pablokolter 9 months ago
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who have fun in school? nobody right?
the word of God is to be taught properly, not to make a party of it. the truth is that I have nothing to say about this video because it has neither beginning nor end, but in my own personal opinion, without offending anyone, rob bell is only looking good and being a revolutionary. I can not deny the man is smart, but in his own opinion, I do not think he has a relationship with the Holy Spirit AT ALL, he is just cool.
TheVcedora 10 months ago
@TheVcedora And he will be judged by how he Judges others...
momothelemur 8 months ago
who have fun in school? nobody right?
the word of God is to be taught properly, not to make a party of it. the truth is that I have nothing to say about this video because it has neither beginning nor end, but in my own personal opinion, without offending anyone, rob bell is only looking good and being a revolutionary. I can not deny the man is smart, but in his own opinion, I do not think he has a relationship with the Holy Spirit AT ALL, he is just cool.
TheVcedora 10 months ago
I am not saying Mr. Bell is Biblical I just would say that the original author(Moses) in these sets o verses (Genesis 1:1-3) was not attempting to show a trinity essence of God.
kilinto26 10 months ago
@kilinto26
Numbers 12:3
"Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth."
Did Moses write this, or did someone who was closely associated with Moses write this/pass this down in oral tradition? Because if Moses wrote it, then he's totally not humble.
I'm having serious doubts about Moses actually being the one who penned the first five books. Maybe he wrote some parts, but not all.
sapnyosentry 8 months ago 2
@sapnyosentry No, Moses definitely wrote it. I just don't think Moses is a very humble man for declaring himself Humble. hahahaha
captainlorenzo07 8 months ago
@captainlorenzo07
To hit home further, what about the part where it mentions Moses's death and being buried? Did he predict that, or was he writing as he died? But how did he know where he was being buried? 5 And Moses the servant of the LORD died there in Moab, as the LORD had said. 6 He buried him in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is.
I'm not saying that Moses did not contribute anything to the first 5, just that he's not alone writing.
sapnyosentry 8 months ago
@sapnyosentry Moses did not write that he was humble. Humble is an English tranlsation of what he wrote in Hebrew:
עָנָו
The Hebrew word that he wrote is 'anav, which means meek. It has been translated by someone else to mean humble because someone else thought that he was humble. He himself thought that he was 'anav.
1GodOnlyOne 8 months ago
@sapnyosentry Lol are you serious?
how does that prove he wasn't humble? God Wrote numbers through moses
ryourhm 6 months ago
@ryourhm
Are you saying that Moses wrote all of Numbers by himself or that he contributed or that it was based on events surrounding Moses written by people close to him?
Think about what I'm saying literally. Moses writing Numbers by himself is unlikely. As I mentioned before, they preferred oral tradition. I think that others helped Moses write down what he passed orally.
I'm not removing the integrity of the Torah, I'm just saying Moses didn't sit down and pen it by himself.
sapnyosentry 6 months ago
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@sapnyosentry think about it. in the beginning was the word, and the word was God (Jesus is the Word)
ryourhm 6 months ago
"No torture forever and ever"
What Does Jude 1-23 mean with this ? "after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. ..." Jude warned us about preachers like this. Beware!
MrTwinsrule 10 months ago
@MrTwinsrule He points towards Jesus... where's the blasphemy in that?
momothelemur 8 months ago
He doesn't mention the genders given to Elohim and the Spirit and the Word.
Look it up, it's kind of important.
Mojosbigstick 10 months ago
"Christians" are fucked in the head!!! Reading all your comments is funny. GROW UP. There is a world of information to learn about the bible and theology. DO SOME RESEARCH AND THINKING
11Voltron11 10 months ago
wow, what a hip church. Church should be fun, right?
No it shouldn't.
rorshakks 10 months ago
" Arguing over minor details,"
No judgement for unsaved is Minor? Ok...........you win!
MrTwinsrule 10 months ago
@MrTwinsrule No torture forever and ever. There will still be adverse judgment for the world.
ukatam 10 months ago
Lets see. I'm creative, I have a spsirt, and I speakwords. Yet I am not a Trinity. Nor is the Trinity a Biblical doctrine...
halfie25 10 months ago
@halfie25 How is it not?
momothelemur 8 months ago
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This is a wonderful way of a human trying to wrap themselves around a non-Biblical doctrine.
halfie25 10 months ago
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halfie25 10 months ago
The scriptures put it plainly we are to have the “faith OF Jesus”, deny that and deny the scriptures. The difference that you cannot see is that a true believer is to have the same faith that the Son of God had, what kind of faith did the Son of God have? In whom did the Son of God place his faith; Himself? Romans 3:22, Gal2:16, Gal 3:22, Rev 14:12 the term ‘faith IN Jesus’ is not found. The problem with most ‘Christians’ they are NOT scriptural, they are Bible illiterate.
sampson802002 10 months ago
The word Elohiym can be plural or singular. It means “gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural) of the supreme God; occasionally to magistrates; and angels”. Notice it can mean ‘gods in the ORDINARY sense or notice “OF THE Supreme God. As for the Spirit being God, what does the Scripture state? Gen 1:2 Please notice that the Spirit is NOT god as Rob falsely claims but the Spirit is in Fact the Spirit OF God. Is there a difference between God the Spirit and Spirit OF God?
sampson802002 10 months ago
So a spiritual god that creates and speaks must necessarily have 3 personalities? That doesn't follow. Everywhere else in the Hebrew Bible, Yahweh affirms his singular nature. I mean come on, the word Trinity isn't even in the New Testament. It's incredibly arrogant to claim the concept exists in the Old as well.
TacticusPrime 11 months ago
@TacticusPrime It is just another Roman Catholic doctrine that the so clled Christain world accepts.
sampson802002 10 months ago
Error number 1, in his opening statement...the Bible was not originally written in the Hebrew. Most of the OT was Hebrew. Most of the NT was written in Greek.
GibsonJared 11 months ago
@GibsonJared The OT was written before the NT and while yes you are indeed correct, his point in discussing the OT was that it was first written in Hebrew. The word Bible does not have to mean the Christian Bible, it can also refer to the Hebrew Bible which is what Bell is discussing and therefore the fact that the NT was written in Greek has no significance here.
girlygirl4149 11 months ago
Check out my page on our version of the trinity
jade041203 11 months ago
This is how I would describe all the attacks on Rob Bell and other preachers like Him...
WHAT! People are listening to that preacher and NOT ME! He MUST be a heretic! I will expose him!
godswordsheal 11 months ago
@godswordsheal Forget Rob Bell. Would you say that there are people who will go to heaven who have not put their faith in Jesus? (Universalism) Now, would you say that all roads lead to heaven is heresy? If someone taught that would that make him a heretic? So the question boils down to does Rob Bell believe in Universalism or doesn't he? I would argue yes. Listen to his latest video on youtube "Love Wins" it wreeks of universalism and the book is oozing universalism.
watsumo 11 months ago
@watsumo When will all the Bell haters stop hating Bell and start loving God?! It's like your faith means nothing if you can't point at someone and call them wrong. And then you'll tell me Jesus would be with you. HA! You think Jesus came down and preached Hell fire. Did Jesus say "Repent for the Kingdom of HELL is near"? NO! Jesus was about Heaven not about Hell. Jesus was about love not about hate. Jesus was about sacrifice not about murder. Think about that before you attack Bell.
godswordsheal 11 months ago
@godswordsheal The Son of God did teach what would happen if you did not repent. You are incorrect in claiming that the Son of God only taught 'love'. It is not bell that is being attacked, just what he is teaching. By their fruit ye shall know them. By bells fruits I know him to be a false teacher. He has time to repent I hope, for none of us know how much time we have.
sampson802002 10 months ago
@sampson802002 You misunderstood. I did not say Jesus only taught love. I said Jesus was about love not hate. Jesus certainly taught about Hell, but He was not about Hell. He did not come to earth to die for Hell. He came to die to bring Heaven down. If by fruit you mean Bell giving hope to people that there is a God up there greater than our pathetic minds can make up then I guess to you Jesus would be false too.
godswordsheal 10 months ago
@watsumo According to the Scripture we are not to have our faith IN Jesus. The Scripture is Very plain that we are to have the "faith OF Jesus". There is a huge difference between the two.
sampson802002 10 months ago
@sampson802002 You are straining at a gnat my friend. to have faith in is trust... one is to completely put one's trust in Christ alone. technically John's Gospel never even uses the word faith but "believe" instead.
watsumo 10 months ago
@watsumo
It is interesting that you make such quick judgments about Rob Bell's latest video and book. Listen carefully to the video, Rob doesn't make any statements, he asks questions. So, he hasn't made any statements that reflect universalism (he is known for playing devil's advocate and getting people's attention). Secondly, how do you know his book is "oozing universalism" when it isn't out yet??
KOGTV 10 months ago
LOL christians.
kinc1967 1 year ago
I just think lots of people don't agree with him because they're not open minded or intelligent enough to understand his teachings. I love the man and believes that God has given him the gift of abundant knowledge in His word. if you're skeptical about it, pray for him and stop bashing him for what he does. It's true; you can't please everybody, even when you're doing right!
zunefreakster 1 year ago
Rob Bell is my favorite Christian speaker.
stfujaimie 1 year ago
This is just a great tool for preaching the Gospel
ULTRASEMILLOSO 1 year ago
i enjoy his thought process too.
junewise1 1 year ago
@dadsbug91 Funny that you should say this since God says in a public voice "This is my SON in whom I am well pleased" or you could try the verse when Jesus says "I am going to my Father's house to prepare a place for you." I'm not sure what bible your reading but my bible has both of those verses.
rebekahhoward14 1 year ago 4
There is no trinity anywhere in the bible much less than in Genesis. Rob's use of elohim shows complete ignorance of the plural of majesty - common in semitic languages. This is so basic it is sad - there are thousand ways to show it is baloney - you ought to be able to figure out one on your own.
Aner2557 1 year ago
So I agree with him anyone who doesn't can't read.
panosmj1976 1 year ago
He is correct on Elohim. However just because he is correct on one thing and preaches damnable heresies most other times, does not mean he's a true teacher. The man teaches contempletive prayer & buddhism mixed with Christianity. He is a new ager! That's what he emergent church is about. He and Robert Schuller are RETHINKING Christianity. These people are leading others to hell! Come from out of these churches you true people of God. Come from out of them unless you want the judgement they get
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@KakkoiGuy1 You forgot to mention Carlton Pearson. His gospel of inclusion is truly new age, and he is now a new age minister. He says no one goes to hell for unbelief.
k0smon 1 year ago
@k0smon So true my friend. I only mentioned this heretic new ager because this is who the video was by but you're absolutely right. Pearson is just as bad. For those that think Bell is CHristian, I pray that God gives you discernment. As for Pearson... His gospel of inclusion is also "Another Gospel" and is accursed. It's completely self centered and not God centered. Good call on that K0smon.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
I enjoy his thought process
xXItsxmexKyoXx 1 year ago
our church used to use his videos a lot. we haven't seen any new ones though. i've seen a lot of controversy especially over his book velvet elvis. idk. i'd have to read it myself. his videos i believe are from the Bible. but as far as what he said in velvet elvis or what people said he's said, i'm not sure. i'd have to read it.
hislittleangel18 1 year ago
why do the righteous always seem to die at the hands of fools? I'm sure Jesus was controversial too, in his day.
hotsauselover 1 year ago
hahaha i do not trust his broken strongs hebrew! Bara is more correctly understood to form or fashion or to "fatten". not ex nihilo (greek) as commonly related to (out of nothing) sorry Greek man trying to teach Hebrew. lol
jd00058 1 year ago
we know god is 3 in 1 whats the deal the old testment always forshadows the new . But i dont know about the rest of gis teachings . but on thins ONE point i will stand with him . new way to look at it .
reyavq777 1 year ago
There's a ton of outrage in the posts here, but I don't see what he said that was so wrong. God is triune... Elohim is a plural word... What's wrong with what he said?
LewDaCrys 1 year ago
I have read all but the newest of Rob's books, as well as fifty other books about religion and what the Bible says...I have found nothing put more beautifully than the relationship painted by Bell in "Sex God". Going to his church to check out what it is really like this spring. Really hope to get to meet the man.
OneTrue987 2 years ago
Don't try to listen to him but listen to what God is trying to say.
timjr5000 2 years ago
I saw this video yesterday in our bible study group and everything he says is totally in line with the Bible. I suggest you all watch the hole DVD and then comment on this video
prsfinest2k8 2 years ago
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nope, maybe about 80%-90% of what he teaches allines with the Bible, its the other 10%-20% that is wrong, which makes him a false teacher, which means dont listen.
briefdawg 2 years ago
I suppose your are 100% right?
jesseakers 2 years ago
How do you know what is right? Every denomination differs on where they stand doctrinally, which means everyone is wrong, right? Not at all! It all comes down to your relationship with Jesus Christ, not whether or not you believe that the gift of tongues is still existing today or not.
jiminybobbosa 2 years ago
you know what is right by what the Bible says. yes the relationship with God is first and formost in being saved, but there is an aboslute truth and we are called as Christians to know it, and as teachers to preach it exactly 100% according to the Bible. Read Matthew 7:22-23 and 1 John 4:1
briefdawg 2 years ago
I agree that there is an absolute truth and that we as Christians should know it, but we aren't going to agree on everything. My previous comment was directed at those who think because Rob Bell differs a bit on theology, they think he is going to hell. However, Rob Bell remains steadfast for his love for Jesus and truly believes that Jesus is the only way to heaven. I agree with we should all know the truth, but the fact is we don't.
jiminybobbosa 2 years ago
oh i see, what your talking about is stuff like did God create everything in a literal 6 days or was it longer. read Mark Edward Sohmer's review on Rob Bell's velvet elvis. if you cant find it let me know and i'll help you out.
briefdawg 2 years ago
@briefdawg
blah blah blah blah blah blah rob bell , blah blah blah false teacher , blah blah blah.
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
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he brainwashes you...making conservatives out of people..
CathrynMichaelMurray 2 years ago
John Calvin and Martin Luther were the most important in Christianity world. I believe they did more studying and research from Rob Bell, why what John Calvin and Martin Luther told us very different from Rob Bell? There are a lot of people do thorough research on bible, I dont believe only Rob Bell know the origin or Hebrew language. why only him voice out? How about others?
sfpkent 2 years ago
speak proper english then come back
briefdawg 2 years ago
hello friend, God won't look at how good our language is. our heart is most important. I don't have proper English, but I do know how to respect people. you have good English but low EQ!
sfpkent 2 years ago
how can anyone understand you and answer your questions if they can not be comprehended? im only helping you out sir
briefdawg 2 years ago
I watched this video quite recently. I also have access to the Bible with the Old Testament in Hebrew and the New Testament in Greek. I have yet to hear something from him that is not directly unbiblical, and I have yet to hear anything from him that does not reflect what the Bible says about whatever topic he may be talking about (that I've heard).
linarato 2 years ago
Do a youtube search for "Rob Bell Nooma Dust Review" and click on the first result. I dare you to watch that video and tell me that you still think Rob Bell accurately reflects the Bible.
slchandl 2 years ago
It sure does reflect the bible .Bell is never nore has he ever said Peter could walk across the water on his own accord . Bell and Peter both know full well by who's power Peter could walk on water. Lets bear better fruit least we all be cast into the lake of eternal fire.
WretchedSketcher 2 years ago
no way can that man even say what the Bible actually means w/out cracking those little hip glasses.
jesusfreakrkg 2 years ago
Too bad his scholarship is WAY off, at least from a critical reading. The book of Genesis is a post-exilic book merged with Babylonian myths to argue against the reality of other Gods, that's why God created things, to show that other gods were not to be feared; its an argument against Theogany (creation of the gods).
Even Karl Barth, the supreme Christocentric Theologian does not concern himself with Genesis as everything surrounds the Christ Event, and the Word made flesh.
dancertm 2 years ago
The book of Genesis is important because it shows us how God slowly revealed His truth to his people, turning their hearts toward Him. Abraham grew up in Ancient Sumeria, raised by Sumerians, so God used the existing belief system to reveal that he is a God of love and Justice. You can see the belief systems change little by little as God conquers local ideas and slowly reveals himself and His love. He still works this way (i.e.- scientific discovery). Genesis is an extremely important book.
preson777 2 years ago
Genesis IS important, but for different reasons. Looking at the book as history is missing much of the point...and yes, "SHE" does reveal herself in many ways.
dancertm 2 years ago
I like your thinking LHSEupho10 cor we must be great witness' to people who don't believe in God... we argue amongst our selfs about trivial things..... If Rob Bell is wrong let God be the judge who are we to make any sort judgment against him we are all messed up as it is.... I personnally have watched this whole dvd and quite a lot of Robs stuff and have found it very biblical and challenging... I have an idea guys lets stop arguing
JenJen000111 2 years ago
If Rob Bell is wrong, then he is teaching ALOT of people wrong as well. it says in the Bible:
Matthew 23:13
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
analog56x 2 years ago
but its also the people's fault for not doublechecking everything they hear against the Word of God.
Acts 17:11
Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
analog56x 2 years ago
How about instead of arguing over a youtube video and making biased claims on whether Mr. Bell is correct or not, just read a bible. If you don't believe in God or you just try to disprove Gods existence than I tell you this... Good luck on trying to disprove his existence. So don't bring your stuff here
LHSEupho10 2 years ago 7
@LHSEupho10 Actually, the inverse is true. Generally in science, you don't attempt to prove the negation of a phenomenon, e.g., god doesn't exist, but rather you test the existence of a hypothetical phenomenon using the scientific method. As an example, I could state that 3 headed purple dragons exist. Prove they don't. Hypothetically, somewhere in the multiverse, they could exist. The burden of proof is always one those attempting to prove something exists, not the other way around.
atownlefttrain 10 months ago
The doctrine of the trinity (It was adopted formally by Catholics AD325 and accepted by Protestants)states that " The Holy Spirit proceeds from the father thru the son"-New Catholic Encyclopedia(vol14pg301) This would limit the holy ghost to the New Testament, right.If that's true then how in the Old did the Holy ghost proceed from King David-Mark12:36 and virgin Mary before the son's birth Matt1:18-20?(remember in thinking upon the trinity they arrived on it-Encyclo.Of Religion(vol10pg461)
luztheloser 2 years ago
I've read over 100 comments on this video since I posted it, and not once has anyone presented sufficient material which would prove why Bell is unbiblical. You can make claims against what Bell is teaching here all day- but I remain unconvinced until you clearly communicate how his teaching is biblically false, complete with references and sources.
Trust me, I'm skeptical of his and every other pastor's teachings. What we are trying to see here is if what he preaches lines up with scripture.
justsamsel 2 years ago 27
@justsamsel in Velvet elvis, he says Peter lost fath in himself, not Jesus when he sank on the sea.(pg.133 and 134) "Hell is full of forgiven people"...WRONG!(page 146) The Bible is clear...not some vague "collection of stories and poems" His example regarding the Sabbath on pg. 46 was settled by Jesus..."The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath"...Bell missed this."Where does one go..." He should read 1 Cor 1:18-31 There's more if you like.
MrProgressivelib1 1 year ago
@justsamsel
Do you deny that Rob teaches that we are Divine Dirt Clods? (Google it)
REally, I thought we were just creation,not GOD,NOt Creation.
john146only 1 year ago
@justsamsel it may not be necessarily that he is unbiblical, but what he is saying doesnt make any sense. the verses does NOT say that God is a creator, a spirit, and a word. the verses DO say the God is a creator, who HAS a spirit, and SPEAKS a word to call light into being. i dont disagree with the trinity, but these first verses do not at all mean what he just said they did, and anyone listening can hear that.
TehPwnzorthe1337 1 year ago
@justsamsel
where is the original texts written by the original authors?you people always say he teaches from the originals and that is the lie. I hope I do not have to explain why its a lie if you can't show me the originals, that is the trick to convince by saying the originals say. If your really a skeptic you will study what sent the world into the dark ages( should of learned that in high school) and what was discovered to bring out of the dark ages.
Churchnote 1 year ago
@justsamsel The reason it is unbiblical is because the trinity is a later concept - or as some say a later revelation revealed in the NT, and he is imposing those views ON the ancient Hebrew text. That text is not meant to be read viewing God as Three persons - but God is One Duet 6:4 singular being - The hebraic culture never viewed Gods spirit or word as two beings equal with God and fully God as well - the entire Tanach testifies of this, the scripture is my witness.
BaruchHashemYahweh 1 year ago
@BaruchHashemYahweh But later on you see Jesus claiming he is of the father and the father in him, Jesus also claims he knew you since before you were created meaning "The Word" was already existent and co-operating with 'the elohim'
GabrielProductions1 1 year ago
@GabrielProductions1 EVeryone is OF the Father - the Father is God - what do you expect - he gives life to all creatures. And in what verse does Yahushua claim he knows us since before we were created? not to mention, thats a logical fallacy - you cannot KNOW someone BEFORE they existed - God may have been thinking of creating you beforehand but he did not KNOW you literally, just figuratively in his mind. The word was co operating with the elohim?? Elohim is God - so the word is another god?
BaruchHashemYahweh 1 year ago
@justsamsel Thats because your itching ears dont want to hear it.
megatruth45 1 year ago
@justsamsel I wrote a few pages detailing Bell's heresies; comparing his ramblings with scripture. This video, in particular, seems fine to me but he teaches plenty of heresy elsewhere. Maybe you could listen to Chris Rosebrough exegete Bell's messages on Pirate Christian Radio. Chris does a great job of showing how Bell contradicts scripture. Bell is a universalist and doesn't believe in a literal hell. He denies being a universalist but he's talking out of both sides of his mouth.
ToshiroHoshi 10 months ago
No one is attacking Bell personally-I've have contact him and shown him what he teaches isn't in the bible.There are many good people out there but if we are to be Christians we need to obey Christ's words.Bell might be the greatest man since slice cheese but if he fails to preach the word of God as an pastor don't you think he's failed in his duty?If you have a security guard and he lets theives slip by and says nothing would you want him protecting you-probably so from your statements.peace2u
luztheloser 2 years ago
Excuse me, but what justifies people attacking his messages? Rob Bell is an incredible preacher with a much deeper look on things than most people. He may not be right in everything - NO MAN IS. But his words have impacted the youth of America and lead people to God in ways no one else has managed before. That deserves respect. So please, everyone stop being jerks who think they're the only ones who know the "truth" of the Bible.
madithornton18 2 years ago
jerk' hmmm, thats a very christian outlook on pople. i think not. this kind of forum is set up or peoples opinions thus people,shock /horror, may have different views from you. so calling people jerks when you disagree with them shows what kind of growing p may need still to take place 4u
ronyeats 2 years ago
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madithornton18 2 years ago
out of context lad. i could recount plenty of occassions when the same Lord never did anything when fully justified. anyway you wouldnt call me a jerk to my face ,i can assure you of that, but from the safety of a PC people become very brave all of a sudden. anyway your banned from posting to me personally.
ronyeats 2 years ago
It is not possible to simply do what the Bible says, Bell writes.This is part of the problem with continually insisting that one of the absolutes of the Christian faith must be a belief that Scripture alone is our guide. It sounds nice but it is not true When people say that all we need is the Bible, it is simply not true-Bell.2Pet1:20.The bible not for private interpretation.Gal1:6-8 Though anyone, even Angels preach any other Gospel, they are cursed.Got God or you got Bell.I chose God.Paz
luztheloser 2 years ago
In Genisis1:26 God said let us make man in our image.Elohim pronounced el-o-heem from Strong's Ex. Cond. Here It is define as God talking to Magistraites,Judges,mighty ones,Angels ect. So God was speaking to his angels who carry out or execute his will,see Heb1:7,Gen3:24,Num22:22-31.AD150Justin said Jesus was 2nd to God.AD197 Tertullian inventsTheTrinity from Plato's Timaeus.Adopted in Nicene council AD325 to stop oneness.Nobody ever baptizes in 3 but in Jesus Read Acts2:38,10:36-48,ect.Paz2u2
luztheloser 2 years ago
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nis0 2 years ago
Can anyone show me from scripture where it says God is three persons? How can the Son be begotten John3:16 .. If trinitarians say hes eternal.. You cant have one and the other. The Spirit of God hovered upon the water..
So are you saying within this Spirit of God there are three persons who love, talk and send one another with seprate minds and wills.. That sounds like three gods to me.
Truthorfable 2 years ago
this is the trinity:
God the Creator, God the Word , God the Spirit.
the Father is the Creator, Jesus is the Word of God and God is Spirit.this is all in the Bible.if you don't know this from the Bible then what do you know?
formerutuber 2 years ago
Call me crazy but Rob Bell doesn't seem as 'dangerous' as people make him out to be. Arguing over minor details, shouting out hyperbole is only going to make non-Christians think we are more insane than we really are.
How about some love for once? =)
Nintene777 2 years ago 36
I wouldn't call it minor details, but isn't it loving to correct somebody if they are wrong, but don't know it?
It is loving, especially if they are deceived about their salvation.
See John 7:24, Eph. 5:11, 2. Tim. 2:24-26 and 4:2, Titus 1:9-16, James 5:19-20, and Ezekiel 33:6-8.
JabalalLawz 2 years ago
Mr. Bell is brainwashing the kids of today with his crazy ideology. His craving for money and his lavish lifestyle will be his down fall when he come before Christ. I'm praying for you and the boys you seduce.
999sasha 2 years ago
Excuse me, but what justifies this statement? What "crazy ideology?" Rob Bell is an incredible preacher with a much deeper look on things than most people. He may not be right in everything - NO MAN IS. But his words have impacted the youth of America and lead people to God in ways no one else has managed before. That deserves respect.
madithornton18 2 years ago
@Nintene777 amen
princeofpersia4life 1 year ago
@Nintene777 Amen :)
450zoe 1 year ago
@Nintene777 satan transforms himself into an angel of light.
BaruchHashemYahweh 1 year ago
@Nintene777 I SO AGREE WITH YOU. I WISH CHRISTIANS WILL STOP EXPOSING ONE ANOTHER.
Dodiani 1 year ago
Rob Bell thinks that God and Satan are the same person.
I don't get it.
999sasha 2 years ago
where and when does he say that?
alfogle 2 years ago
God is a Spirit (John 4:24, spirits do not hands) Also Mark 14:62 says you will see Jesus at the right hand of power. So look again to Acts 7 and read on they stoned Stephen calling upon God(He called To God not a Third part of a trinity-right.)"Lord Jesus receive my Spirit" and then he died. Look what is more important is you repent be baptized in Jesus name as your faith in action will save you.James ch2. All 8 Baptisms in Acts 2:38,4:10-12,8:1-38,10:1-48,16:30-33,19:1-5,22:16 were in Jesus
luztheloser 3 years ago
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But Stephen, full of the HOLY SPIRIT, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of GOD, AND JESUS standing at the right hand of God. 56"Look," he said, "I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God."
How do you explain this?
danieljr3 3 years ago
But Stephen, full of the HOLY SPIRIT, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of GOD, AND JESUS standing at the right hand of God. 56"Look," he said, "I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God."
How do you explain this?
danieljr3 3 years ago
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God is a Spirit (John 4:24, spirits do not hands) Also Mark 14:62 says you will see Jesus at the right hand of power. So look again to Acts 7 and read on they stoned Stephen calling upon God(He called To God not a Third part of a trinity-right.)"Lord Jesus receive my Spirit" and then he died. Look what is more important is you repent be baptized in Jesus name as your faith in action will save you.James ch2. All 8 Baptisms in Acts 2:38,4:10-12,8:1-38,10:1-48,16:30-33,19:1-5,22:16 were in Jesus
luztheloser 3 years ago
Very good point Daniel
arje7 3 years ago
Good point !!!!
danydidaskos 2 years ago
If the so-called trinity is the cornerstone of Christianity then how did the church of the first 3 centuries get along without it ? The Encyclopedia Americana 1956Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was Unitarian or believing in one God. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching
luztheloser 3 years ago
you are so far off base it is laughable. Early Christianity, starting with Christ, Oddly enough, clearly had a concept of the trinity. Christ teaches numerous times that He and the Father are one... and that when He has gone the father will send the comforter (Holy Spirit). Correspondence to and from Roman Emperors like Nero speak of Christians and their strange three headed God, clearly a mistaken image of the trinity.
fatuthminister 3 years ago
This guy reminds me of the Heavens Gate guy.
Pretty scary stuff.
999sasha 2 years ago
I think Paul would have called him a stumbling block. The sad thing is there are people out there who will read his drivel and because he threw in a bunch of bible refrences they will assume it is safe to deny the Trinity and thereby disregard the divinity of Christ.
fatuthminister 2 years ago
The New Encyclopedia Britannica 1976
"Neither the word trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord' (Deut. 6:4). . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since."
luztheloser 3 years ago
In Genesis ch 1 When God is creting the world he is talking to the angels and not two other clones. Abraham talked to the Lord God in Gen.18 and the two that with him turned out to be angels who recued lot. Zech 14:9 states the Lord and his name are one. Paul said "God is one". So who do you believe God or man ? Peter said," repent and be baptized in the name of Jesuse" in Acts as well as "It's better to believe God than a man". Trust and obey-James ch 2, Mark 16:16, and Heb 9:22- God. Peace .
luztheloser 3 years ago
Ond God who can show himself in many forms: a burning bush to Moses, a pillar of fire and a cloud to the Hebrews, and the seven spirits of the church in Revelations. We must be baptized in the family name of God which is Jesus -Col 3:17 , Acts 2:38, and Phil 3:10-15 among others explain this out. Until 325 a.d. the doctrine of the trinity was'nt even developed. Muslims believe in One God as well as the Jews and so did the early Christians. In fact you can see there is one god by what he made.
luztheloser 3 years ago
God is One in the Old (Deut 6:4 , Isaiah chapters 40-50, and Zech 14:9)and New (Rev 4:2,Math 28:18, and 1 Tim 3:16)Testaments. The trinity was developed at first by the Babalonians, Egyptians, and Hindus among others. The trinity derived by the Catholic church was derived from Plato's ideas and as a compromise to the Pagans. All history of the early church teaches that all the disciples both believed and taught of one God.
luztheloser 3 years ago
Tertullian (who apparently was the first to use the word "trinity" in reference to God) and Hippolytus of Rome succeeded in changing the mode of water baptism from being performed "in the name of Jesus Christ" to use of the titles "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost", thereby abandoning the "only NAME given among men whereby we must be saved" in baptism
luztheloser 3 years ago
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But Stephen, full of the HOLY SPIRIT, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of GOD, AND JESUS standing at the right hand of God. 56"Look," he said, "I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God."
How do you explain this?
danieljr3 3 years ago
God in this incident appeared in a form that stephen was able to see. he appears in different forms throughout the Bible: a dove, a pillar of fire, etc.
wesley814 3 years ago
Moses' doctrine, which every Jew subscribed to was "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord," (Deuteronomy 6:40 ) Irenaeus, furthered the confusion, stating that "the Son of God became the Son of Man", introducing a previously unheard of concept of an eternal son, and contradicting the Apostles' premise that the Son was conceived by the Holy Ghost in the "fullness of time", and in fact, "made of woman" (Galatians 4:4).
luztheloser 3 years ago
I finally found where those Trinity believers came up with this load of crap.
"God Said" see the said thats Jesus.
What a load of crap. Do you know how silly you are making people look when they repeat you?
ScriptureAlone 3 years ago
Daniel: I take the Bible as being correct, and I will not add to it. I have the Father, Son and Spirit. I will not use the word "Trinity" because God did not use it. It is a pagan concept.
My Protestant and Jewish ancestors fled to America in the 1600's because they were being burnt at the stake for not accepting the Roman Catholic Doctrine of the Trinity. It will take a lot more than your anger and verbal abuse to force me into adding Roman words to God's Bible. Jesus was a Jew, not Roman.
mtnman2012 3 years ago
Rob's spiritually largely very healthy. But I am a Jewish Christian and reject the Roman Catholic Trinity. I did not hear Rob using the word "Trinity" here, although it sounds too trinitarian for me. God is plural because in Hebrew plural denotes MAGESTY. But God is not not "several", nor "community", nor "multiple person". God is one, echad,singular, Creator. God's Name YHWH means Cause. God has a Spirit, and expresses Word. But it does not say that God WAS what he spoke. Expression isn't Cause
mtnman2012 3 years ago
SORRY, but if you do no belibe in trinity so YOU ARE NOT A CHIRSTIAN
Its so obvious!!!!!!
The New Testament speack about trinity, if you do not sse that, then you are blind
danieljr3 3 years ago
To Danieljr3: Jesus, who manifests the presence of God, is the closest thing to me. We are both believers in Jesus, and we are both seeking truth. Your accusations against me are defiling God to every person reading your angry condemnations. STOP THE HATE.
I think Rob Bell is awesome and I want to get more of his videos and show them to my church.
The word "Trinity" is most certainly not in the Bible. The Roman Catholics admit that they invented the concept over 300 years after Christ.
mtnman2012 3 years ago
To danieljr3:
Why is the web so filled with angry bloggers belitteling people and spewing accusation without being provoked?
Daniel, if you are going to spew hate, then find another subject and don't do it in the name of Jesus. You are making Jesus look bad and you are making Rob Bell look bad by association.
Satan is "The Accuser". Jesus is the lost person's "Advocate". We tell others who our father is by the spirit that we show. Find something good in other's faith to build on.
mtnman2012 3 years ago
mtnman2012
SO, can you find a better idia to explain this?
Please let me know...ahahahha
danieljr3 3 years ago
No It does not. A trinity believer is a Pagan. On my site I disprove a trinity time and time again!
Christian = Emulator of Christ.
I don't see a trinity in the definition.
ScriptureAlone 3 years ago
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ...In lovehe predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will...In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace...made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ,...to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ.WHAT BIBLE DO YOU RED?
danieljr3 3 years ago
I studied Hebrew. And ELOHIM can show a kind of PLURAL in order to show a kind of MAJESTY. Nevertheless you should know that in the world of the OT the word was consider a representation of the being og GOD. PROV 8 And in the 2 sentury of the church the first theologians when wrote about Jesus they use the same languaje that Rob Bell is using. So, go and and studie some theology of the christian origings and you will find that this video is no so far of that. And please dont be so IGNORANT
danieljr3 3 years ago
He just isn't QUITE there...he kind of twists things around and doesn't get them quite right. He just doesn't practice good hermeneutics. And, frankly, he just creeps me out.
kdbrich 3 years ago
Rob's appeal has far less to do with his actually originality and profundity than the context that he is being these things in. I came to him really wanting to be impressed by him but I just haven't been in the same way that I've been impressed by Mclaren or Boyd or Barna. Don't get me wrong, I think he's got a solid relevant message for a certain section of the evangelical population who are hungry for something new and real and that doesn't smell like the usual 'team spirit'.
greatsea 3 years ago
i can't understand what you are trying to say. Can you rewrite that in English please? Thanks.
drew20007 3 years ago
I do believe in God and I think this guy rocks. I do not get why people are pounding on him for what he is saying, and no I am not the perfect Christian. I do not pick up my Bible every day, I do not listen to Godly music, and I do not go to church. But I think this guy conveys his thoughts about God in a great, intertresting, down to earth way.
captinsanji 3 years ago
He also does not have to be perfect...But he shouldnt teach something he really doesnt know... That is an awful thing to do...
JordanAndrian 3 years ago
just to be clear....Bell is off, he obviously took a limited Hebrew course... Though the ending of Elohim can represent plurality, it also is commonly used for royalty or strength... Genesis never notes that God WAS what he "spoke" just that he spoke... By the way I do believe in the trinity, but this guy has an odd hermeneutic...
JordanAndrian 3 years ago