You may wish to read the recent story on The Jewish Chronicle regarding the FBI discovering $42.5 Million dollars that was stolen by 17 members of the Jewish "Claims Conference". Why is it that Jews are stealing from Jews??? I remember Don Imus saying numerous times on his morning show after news items were reported involving Jews, and before the Jews fired him; "Another thieving Jew"!
Surprise, surprise. Yes, there really is a death panel - right from the mouth of the very same cockroach who once wrote three articles about the death panels calling them "a lie and a smear."
@afaultytoaster - So why aren't you living in a "communist marxist" country?
Oh I know why - because they're all brutal totalitarian states with no freedom, and you would piss your pants the first time you realized what a nightmare you were living in.
Palin was right! How in the Hell is the left going to defend this cracker jack idiots comments! I'll bet it just burns their butts that we the "right" were right all along! How in the world will they find a way to defend this moron's statements. it will be interesting to watch this abortion play out! I love it
These comments are horrendous. Did you listen to what he actually said? He didn't acknowledge the death panel comment because it's embarrassingly stupid. The advisory panel makes blanket decisions on which treatments are covered or not, not on an individual basis. It must suck to have to revert to arguments about "death panels" to be able to oppose something. Sorry guys :(
These comments are horrendous. Did you listen to what he actually said? He didn't acknowledge the death panel comment because it's embarrassingly stupid. The advisory panel makes blanket decisions on which treatments are covered or not, not on an individual basis. It must suck to have to revert to arguments about "death panels" to be able to oppose something. Sorry guys :(
@GovernmentSham912 you idiots that actually believe a dispicle man like this actually has your best interest at heart. he's a Marxist socialist to the core. If he had his way the "regular" folks in America would be waiting in lines for bread rations and blankets while he and his commy thugs drive to the government building in their custom gas guzzlers drinking brandy and eating cavier. you sicken me.
He isn't talking about the fictitious lie-of-the-year-2009 that are the "death panels", fools, he is talking about the Medicare Advisory Board. Doctor-assisted suicide, as far as I know, is only legal in Oregon in the USA.
I always thought MY FRIGGIN DOCTOR and not the incompetent govt. is supposed to decide what treatment and tests are best for me. Government is STUPID and thinks like "it only saves 1 out of 5 people, so lets stop doing it" , so screw one out of every 5 that it does work on. Odds are against it so don't try... This is a death panel.
"This is only true in "collective" thinking. "We have finite shoe-making resources and some people are not going to get shoes.")
so you are saying that we have infinite oil? i know the theories you are working off of, I have studied them as well. Should everyone have healthcare, well you seem to think NO, if that is true then you believe in rationing care.
@jeffinamerica No, the Progressives tried to tell everyone that the "death panel" stories were made up, in order to distract them long enough to get the law passed.
Now it's law, they don't have to pretend any more.
The pressure now is to keep enough people from getting angry enough so that there isn't a revolt big enough to not be put down.
"When they came for the survivalist militia nuts, I didn't speak up..."
What he's talking about are not "life or death" treatments. If you idiots took the time to sit and watch/listen to the ENTIRE conversation and understand CONTEXT you might learn something instead of just watching a 30 sec clip another moron posted on youtube.
What? Are you crazy. Killing the old and rationing care to just Democrat fund raisers and the elite left's families will save tons of money. The stupid working class and successful people in our culture don't need healthcare. When they die, we'll just take their businesses and keep all the money for the state. I guess I'm happy that I don't understand the left. It's too sick to contemplate why they want our country to fall.
Well, at last, the cat is out of the bag. Thank you, Paul Krugman, for finally saying what everybody knew for a year - that there WILL be so-called "Death Panels".
so-called "death panels WILL SAVE us a lot of money"?The fact this guy even says it with a STRAIGHT FACE?! These ppl have contortionist comments down to an art. Spins it beautifly:it's about "cost saving" at the very end- not about "death" or "rationing". So, in conclusion:
3. Shut up you Right Wing-Nut Jobs -quit complaining
4. No, there is no such thing as a "main stream media" doing Obamas dirty sales pitching i.e. Krugman(Only Evil can talk this way and not break a sweat)
@FFFF Yes, of course it is his defense of the short term. This is exactly the problem we have today--too many politicians selling us out tomorrow for a quick fix today. So what have we gotten for this defense of the short term? 1) 107 trillion in unfunded liabilites 2) Record unemployment levels 3) A dollar worth 4% of its originial value 4) The FDIC is bankrupt 5) Trillion dollar bailouts 6) Record deficits 7) A ravaged industrial base So, if your comment was made to debate, its your turn.
It was Keynes who defended the long-term implications of his horrid 'economics' by saying, "In the end we are all dead".
Now Krugman would like to see this happen a little sooner. Don't be appalled, it will save money, which is clearly been the government's main focus for many years.
this shmuck, Krugman, has completely dissolved any credibilty he once had as an economist. And wasnt it Krugman saying just a few months ago that the death panels where made up, "fallacious", and "absurd"? And listen to the apathy in his voice when he talks about death panels as a "cost saver." Neo-Kensian? No, more like neo-Nazi
@arthurwmacalpine Ridiculous. Did you not hear the part when he said the advisory board cuts treatments that "don't do any good medically." How is eliminating payments for treatments that do not work Neo-Nazi? Do you get a CAT-scan every time you stub your toe to express your love of liberty and freedom?
Krugman says those on the right are contradicting themselves. I don't think so. One need not engage in a contradiction by holding the health care reform bill will cost more money overall, though the 'death panel' portion will cut back on current spending for care not deemed 'efficient' for older patients.
Talk about failure to comprehend. All he said is that they will not cover medical interventions that dont work. And theres plenty of very expensive procedures that are done on patients all the time, just so doctors and hospitals can profit, even if theres zero evidence that they are effective.
Theres nothing nefarious about the Evidence Based Medicine concept.
@StarvingForTruth How many people do you know that got a medical procedure done they did not need? Shouldn't it be up to you and your Doctor to decide if you want or need a procedure and not some Government panel? I don't know about you but I can talk with my Doctor and he will tell the truth on fact based statistics weather a procedure works. Also you do realize that we rate number 1 in the best outcomes of all major diseases.
No, it's not up to just me and my doctor. My insurance company gets a vote. And your doctor is unlikely to know the outcome data on every procedure he might recommend. This is especially true for the more modern and expensive interventions - you might think such data exists, but it doesn't. How we rate in outcome of major diseases is not the issue - so i'll ignore it as irrelevant, since it is. Like it or not, costs are an ever mounting issue. Life's tough, mate.
If government was not involved in health care, which has not been the case for a long time, those who could not afford marginal treatments simply wouldn't get them. That's the same money savings that Krugman talks about.
In a market for medicine, good care makes profits.
Government run, everyone and everything is a "cost".
I cant believe that we have let this go on so long and let alone you vote for sh_t like this and give , GIVE away your freedoms we are literally 1 vote away from slavery this is only the beginning you better grab ahold of your freedom before they do. New World order is already set in place and were the only ones to stop it , stop watching major news channels that is the government listen to rush limbob or alex jones the info is there we have questions and we want answers u should 2 its a right
you conservatards are hilarious.. he's obviously saying this to humiliate you and you're pretending that he's saying it literally. that means you're either too goddamned stupid to engage in simple conversation, or you're all intellectually dishonest to portray something you know damn well is meant one way as the other.
what chicken-shirt little liars are America's conservatards!
It's only a contradictory point of view if one listens closely. The proper argument is that Obama-care will not save any money ON NET. Nobody *actually* argued that it wouldn't save "any money" at all. That would be ridiculous. It would be saying, essentially, that Obama-care would push all prices to a theoretical "maximum price".
Anyway, Paul Krugman is in la-la land, but I'll give him props for finally speaking like a decent economist, instead of a jerk-off pundit.
Wow...amazing to hear a liberal actually admit that there are indeed death panels in Obamacare. As long as letting some old people die saves money right Paul? I am all for this as long as it starts with douche containers like Krugman.
He's not a liberal — he's a "progressive". It means "Fascist". The Progressives were openly fascist before the USA entered WWI. After that, the word went out of vogue.
A lot of Jewish people, like his family, had to leave Belarus and brought the communism, as well as some attitudes about gentile Christians. (95,000 Christian priests were immediately slaughtered in Russia when Bolsheviks coup happened. Bronstein/Trotsky who started "pc" hated the Russians, if you read him. David Axelrod also came from the communist family experience. David Horowitz did also, but he writes about it, to tell people. Krugman is from NY Times also, I think.
In slavic tongues (including Belarusian & Russian), the word/prefix Krug- (круг-) means "circle". The Yiddish word for circle is "Kikel" — hence the word slur "Kike".
I mean no disrespect to jewish people, but I think it's sort of funny that his name that his name translates to "kike man". ;D
A women has a right to an abortion because the government has no right to tell her what she can do with her body.However an elderly or chronically ill person has no right to try to stay alive because the government has the right to decide when they die.I guess in some cases the government has a right to tell you what to do with your body.
Well... If they are in a position to deny you service, then I guess that's how it works.
Too bad the healthcare bill didn't include a clause to abolish the AMA's monopoly on licensure. If it did, then the supply of doctors would grow, prices would be bid down, and medical professionals would be in a position to be more charitable (if they felt like it). I'm pretty sure we wouldn't need death-panels if prices were lower, and charity was more of an option.
@gunsandbullhorns You realize that before medicare and Medicaid the medical care and doctors worked the way you described it.When the government got involved that is when the prices skyrocketed and they have been going up every year since.
Yeah. Medicare and Medicaid certainly accomplished this, but I argue that the root of the problem is AMA's monopoly. Everybody understands the concept of a "monopoly price". The Medicare and Medicade problem requires a few extra brain-cells in order to understand. I'm trying to keep it simple. ;D
Well... I could argue that Medicare and Medicaid were a short-sighted "solutions" to problems that could be chalked-up to AMA bottle-necking the supply of licensed doctors. But I think it would be a stretch to say that they are "connected" to the AMA.
My point is that Medicare and Medicaid would be a lot less relevant if there weren't so many anti-competitive restrictions within the medical industry.
your insurance company can deny you service as it is right now. and you can still buy your own insurance. quit whining about shit you don't even remotely understand.
want prices lower? go invent cheaper interventions, and support the movement to not cover practices that eat up huge funds and don't work - like the plan discussed in the video is designed to do.
If you were actually "starving for truth" you'd pay attention to what the fuck I actually said. Do you understand that the AMA has a monopoly on accreditation, and that only accredited Medical Schools can give out licenses, and that one cannot practice medicine without a license?
Do you actually think inventions need to be INVENTED "cheaper"? You idiot, we're paying monopoly prices because the market isn't competitive — not because it costs so damn much to invent stuff.
your insurance company can deny you service as it is right now. and you can still buy your own insurance. quit whining about shit you don't even remotely understand.
want prices lower? go invent cheaper interventions, and support the movement to not cover practices that eat up huge funds and don't work - like the plan discussed in the video is designed to do.
I love how he combines two separate arguments. I have never heard an argument that the advisory panels would cost money. This guy is constantly a doofus.
@finefilth Socialism is nothing but the road walked down on the way to fascism. It starts with a charismatic person promising you peaches and cream at the road's end. Only after walking onward for generations do you meet the conditioned thugs emboldened to rob you of property, rights, and, if they feel like it, life itself.
@4Stanzas "Socialism is nothing but the road walked down on the way to fascism."
Funny you should say that. I've always seen it as Fascism, titular ownership of private property but only under tight government regulation, as being golden bricks on the way to full Socialism, that is direct government ownership of all factors of production.
@CurtHowland Fascism and Socialism are kissing cousins. While Fascism relies on socialist programs to please the masses, Socialism relies on romantic ideas of belonging to state in order to push progress. Communism, or absolute ownership of the state for means of production, could never had gotten off the ground without manipulation of populace sentiments in regards to identity. But the 3rd Reich never gains traction without the tools socialism. Neither left or right, both are statist.
@jimmyjoe1975 you have a good point.. all of the "isms" are run by a Rothschild central bank issuing debt based usury money.. as i see it socialism has NEVER EXISTED and neither does capitalism.. What we have is FASCISM run by a monopoly private bank operating in secrecy, issuing private notes created from nothing.... Not only do they decide how much money is available , they decide WHO GETS IT....Control the money supply and you control everything else that matter, its really that simple.
@finefilth Which one? Socialism, as rooted in the initial nirvanic philosophy, cannot be achieved throughout society without the enlightened forcing individuals to join the collective. This eventually leads to the impassioned embrace of state as the savior of mankind. You should not confuse the philosophy of anarcho-capitalism with that of corporatism.
Congress & the President exempted themselves from this socialized healthcare because they like the socialized healthcare...and think it's too good for them to have...only the great masses should have it.
CONGRESS & THE PRESIDENT EXEMPTED THEMSELVES FROM HAVING TO HAVE THE HEALTHCARE NOW REQUIRED OF THE AVERAGE CITIZEN
He obviously was not talking about "death panels". In his last comment, he was talking about cutting costs by getting rid of expensive yet ineffective treatments.
@CurtHowland The moderator laughed when he said death panels, he, for one, was not talking about death panels. Then Krugman says that eliminating "expensive treatments that actually don't do any good medically" would indeed save money. Nowhere does he say anything about ceasing expensive life sustaining treatments.
@yanksrck "eliminating "expensive treatments" that don't work"
Without government interference, such treatments wouldn't be done. It is only the bottomless money pit of Medicare, Medicaid and the regulations of insurance companies that have allowed such procedures to prevail.
Krugman constantly blames others for the failures of his own policies.
The problem with the Death Panels is that THEY decide, not you, not your doctor, not even your insurance company (if you choose to have one).
@CurtHowland The moderator laughed when he said death panels, he, for one, was not talking about death panels. Then Krugman says that eliminating "expensive treatments that actually don't do any good medically" would indeed save money. Nowhere does he say anything about ceasing expensive life sustaining treatments.
Celebrate death panels because death panels are an effective tool for population control. Like WWII Germany, the new 21st century USA is destined for ___________________.
Of course, the only other "economist" he talks too is a bunch of other socialist morons.
This guy is a moron when it comes to economist because it's bullshit economics. This guy failed ECON 101 and that's why he works for the NYT and is a professor at a liberal college.
well that person never gave me his facts so i dont believe him. its called reason, when someone makes a claim and then cannot back it up, you dont believe them
I'm going to laugh like a mad woman when I see the first liberals face fall, when they experience government run insurance. I really think that they think that they will be treated special and different, but as history has shown, they suffer the most.
Krugman is a crackpot Keynesian economist. He advocated that the Federal Reserve slash interest rates artificially low in the wake of the dotcom crash. He advocated that the federal government try to stimulate housing. Just google "Krugman advocates housing bubble." He lamely claims the article was just a piece of "policy analysis." This fool also thinks that there is nothing wrong with the Federal Reserve creating new money out of thin air to buy U.S. Treasuries. The man is a lunatic.
These Malthusians won't stop until they get the mass culling they want.
This is just another power grab. They're attempting to take control every means that people sustain themselves. The world has seen this too many times to fall for it.
They're criminals, and they're out of control. Eugenics is alive and well, and it's come home to roost in the executive branch..
Isn't it nice to know all your income tax goes directly to that private foreign bank that prints money out of thin air to give to whomever it wishes destroying our savings and purchasing power too?
Back to work, first for that private offshore bank, second for the always under-budget and efficient citizen-loving, non-militarizing police with UN funds, federal government :)
Leftist Jews are a disgrace to their race and the world. After the Holocaust this fuck can sit there and say this? A Leftist jew is the one that would have pushed his mother into the gas chambers ahead of him in order to buy himself an extra day of life.
How many people here came from Germany to the USA? Does this sound even vaguely familiar to you?
I despise and loathe these people so much, I just don't have the words. This is what the National Socialist German Workers Party did- exactly. They didn't treat the crippled or retarded or mentally ill or the elderly.
I'm going to have to SCREAM through capital letters and exclamation points!!!!
Who the HECK are these people to make that decision!!! It is not their choice to make.
Every routine treatment you get at some point was experimental and costly. The only reason we've gotten this far is because somebody decided it was worth the cost to keep themselves healthy. If we had advisory panels making those decisions, would we be at such an advanced point in the medical field?
wait! I thought death panels didn't exist. Oh I see they don't exist because they have been phased in yet. You got to love the fascist newspeak.
Binding hearings... but wait I thought health care was a right. So by god! If I want some new medical treatment and I want to spend my money on it the gov't can fuck off.
Obama LIED! He said nobody wants to pull the plug on Grandma, well here's the proof! He also said 80% of medical bills are run up in the last two years of life, which means he wants you dead before then. You people who voted for him anyway are IDIOTS! He told you straight up what he was going to do and you didn't listen. WAKE UP before you are the one on life support or in a coma and the government pulls your plug!
It hasn't taken effect yet.If it's needed so badly why does it take 4 years? Aren't they killing people right now because the bill has no immediate effect? Wasn't that the point of hurrying the whole thing? Dengell, "The harsh fact of the matter is when youre going to pass legislation that will cover 300 American people in different ways it takes a long time to do the necessary administrative steps that have to be taken to put the legislation together to CONTROL THE PEOPLE."
@thesparitan yoru kind of clueless aren't you? Rham's brother Eziekel is the one who authored non discrimination by age in health care rationing. It was put in the stimulus bill. Go figure.
@thesparitan Go to the stimulus bill. Check the health care board that Rham's brother Ezikiel is on, they are the ones who determine who gets care when it comes between a younger person or an older person. Younger people get care regardless. That is the death panel that everyone is talking about. It is real. It was in the stimulus bill. It will happen, not enough doctors, money or facilities. They expect to ration. When it comes to rationing, they will decide by age who gets care or who dies.
@themunz126 what does the sitimulus bill have to do with healthcare, and are you insane?
you dont seem like a rational person, what the fuck is wrong with your mind. i can see that talking to you would not be useful. and what about healthcare companies rationing care right now. we do have death panels and they are called healthcare insurance corporations.
@thesparitan Obama is the one who put the death panels in the stimulus you clueless nimrod. I just gave you the facts. Check them out for yourself. Health care companies rationing care? are you nuts? medicaid and medicare have a higher rate of denial than ANY private insurer. Check your facts. Or is that too hard for a liberal? You can take a health care company to court if need be, there is NO recourse to obamacare.
Oh they are saints next to what you all are fixing to endure. I had state issued insurance and all I can say is Thank You Yahweh for getting me off it.!!! It's horrible. 90 days to go over appeals of meds you are taking and is suddenly taken away...like 300-400 dollar meds that will be out of pocket until they decide, and beyond when they usually deny!!
off krugman the ignorant elitist pig
biggerturtle 1 year ago
@BudWiser999 Just reported for hate speech. I wonder why it took a week.
k012957 1 year ago
@k012957
It's not hate but a truthful suggestion.
BudWiser999 1 year ago
@k012957
You may wish to read the recent story on The Jewish Chronicle regarding the FBI discovering $42.5 Million dollars that was stolen by 17 members of the Jewish "Claims Conference". Why is it that Jews are stealing from Jews??? I remember Don Imus saying numerous times on his morning show after news items were reported involving Jews, and before the Jews fired him; "Another thieving Jew"!
BudWiser999 1 year ago
Surprise, surprise. Yes, there really is a death panel - right from the mouth of the very same cockroach who once wrote three articles about the death panels calling them "a lie and a smear."
LiberalDrivel 1 year ago
AND THERE STILL WILL BE PEOPLE WHO CLAIM THE DEATH PANELS ARE EXTREMIST PROPAGANDA!!
Liberals are so completely stupid. Where's Darwin now, the only time we really NEED him!?
justloooking2day 1 year ago
Palin was right!!
xpandergt 1 year ago 2
The "nobel winner" krugman is another Malthusian austerity ghoul hack. Who predicted everything wrong with the economy and needs to be liquidated.
biped19 1 year ago
i literally crapped on the american flag just now, being a communist marxist is great
afaultytoaster 1 year ago
@afaultytoaster - So why aren't you living in a "communist marxist" country?
Oh I know why - because they're all brutal totalitarian states with no freedom, and you would piss your pants the first time you realized what a nightmare you were living in.
Dajuro 1 year ago
@Dajuro i want to move to the PEOPLE'S republic of north korea but my parents won't let me. i have a t-shirt with the logo too
afaultytoaster 1 year ago
Palin was right! How in the Hell is the left going to defend this cracker jack idiots comments! I'll bet it just burns their butts that we the "right" were right all along! How in the world will they find a way to defend this moron's statements. it will be interesting to watch this abortion play out! I love it
IruleOverProgressive 1 year ago
Look up Peter Orszag's comments about the Medicare Advisory Board.
whothewu 1 year ago
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These comments are horrendous. Did you listen to what he actually said? He didn't acknowledge the death panel comment because it's embarrassingly stupid. The advisory panel makes blanket decisions on which treatments are covered or not, not on an individual basis. It must suck to have to revert to arguments about "death panels" to be able to oppose something. Sorry guys :(
mcuntHARD 1 year ago
These comments are horrendous. Did you listen to what he actually said? He didn't acknowledge the death panel comment because it's embarrassingly stupid. The advisory panel makes blanket decisions on which treatments are covered or not, not on an individual basis. It must suck to have to revert to arguments about "death panels" to be able to oppose something. Sorry guys :(
mcuntHARD 1 year ago
@mcuntHARD he also did not deny it, and even lavishes praises of death panels
nurbSoldier 1 year ago
Thank God he's just speaking hypothetically.
GovernmentSham912 1 year ago
@GovernmentSham912 you idiots that actually believe a dispicle man like this actually has your best interest at heart. he's a Marxist socialist to the core. If he had his way the "regular" folks in America would be waiting in lines for bread rations and blankets while he and his commy thugs drive to the government building in their custom gas guzzlers drinking brandy and eating cavier. you sicken me.
IruleOverProgressive 1 year ago
He isn't talking about the fictitious lie-of-the-year-2009 that are the "death panels", fools, he is talking about the Medicare Advisory Board. Doctor-assisted suicide, as far as I know, is only legal in Oregon in the USA.
Totalpranny 1 year ago
What an evil little twerp.
marzutraII 1 year ago 2
@Grendo147 Is he the one behind that?
louis107 1 year ago
what a dick...
chewbaca1989 1 year ago
Ummm anyone else hear that?
CjAz91 1 year ago
I always thought MY FRIGGIN DOCTOR and not the incompetent govt. is supposed to decide what treatment and tests are best for me. Government is STUPID and thinks like "it only saves 1 out of 5 people, so lets stop doing it" , so screw one out of every 5 that it does work on. Odds are against it so don't try... This is a death panel.
BostonTPartyagain 1 year ago
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ya, that was a total accident on my part. call me a rookie. but i fully stand by my statement.
zmc33 1 year ago
ya, that was a total accident on my part. call me a rookie. but i fully stand by my statement.
zmc33 1 year ago
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hey curthowland
"This is only true in "collective" thinking. "We have finite shoe-making resources and some people are not going to get shoes.")
so you are saying that we have infinite oil? i know the theories you are working off of, I have studied them as well. Should everyone have healthcare, well you seem to think NO, if that is true then you believe in rationing care.
thesparitan 1 year ago
@thesparitan "i know the theories you are working off of, I have studied them as well."
No, you haven't. That much is obvious.
Everyone does have access to health care in a free market.
Or are you one of these people who don't know the difference between "care" and "insurance"?
CurtHowland 1 year ago
@jeffinamerica No, the Progressives tried to tell everyone that the "death panel" stories were made up, in order to distract them long enough to get the law passed.
Now it's law, they don't have to pretend any more.
The pressure now is to keep enough people from getting angry enough so that there isn't a revolt big enough to not be put down.
"When they came for the survivalist militia nuts, I didn't speak up..."
CurtHowland 1 year ago
Wow. Letting people die is going to be a government "cost savings".
When medicine used to be more of a free market, saving people's lives was called a "profit center".
I just love the new Progressive English, just like the New Math.
CurtHowland 1 year ago
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hey obama fuckstains....stop voting!!
zmc33 1 year ago
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hey obama fuckstains....stop voting!!
zmc33 1 year ago
hey obama fuckstains....stop voting!!
zmc33 1 year ago
@zmc33
hey insane internet yelling person - stop breeding.
StarvingForTruth 1 year ago
hey obama fuckstains....stop voting!!
zmc33 1 year ago
Heaven forbid Mr. Krugman's life be in the hands of one of these 'advisory boards'.
usedbymyusername 1 year ago
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@usedbymyusername "Heaven forbid Mr. Krugman's life be in the hands of one of these 'advisory boards'."
His never will, of course. The political elites are exempt.
CurtHowland 1 year ago
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CurtHowland 1 year ago
I support the killing of the unborn, the old, and newborns who need a little extra care.
My friends, we must Kill people who cant take care of themselves! Its what Satan would do. And hes a pretty cool guy.
shadowbender 1 year ago 2
@shadowbender
ya really.
spoken like the cold hearted evolutionist you are!
why do evolutionists care about the sickly anyway?
zmc33 1 year ago
whaaaah?
whaaaah?
GovernmentSham912 1 year ago
What he's talking about are not "life or death" treatments. If you idiots took the time to sit and watch/listen to the ENTIRE conversation and understand CONTEXT you might learn something instead of just watching a 30 sec clip another moron posted on youtube.
ShanBruceLee 1 year ago
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ShanBruceLee 1 year ago
What? Are you crazy. Killing the old and rationing care to just Democrat fund raisers and the elite left's families will save tons of money. The stupid working class and successful people in our culture don't need healthcare. When they die, we'll just take their businesses and keep all the money for the state. I guess I'm happy that I don't understand the left. It's too sick to contemplate why they want our country to fall.
Gkorman555 1 year ago
Good old Krudman... "Blah, blah, blah, people on the right are simultaneously screaming...".
But the Kruggy does let it slip that gummymint is gonna kill grandma...but don't worry, "...that is actually going to save quite alot of money."
kendemorro 1 year ago
Well, at last, the cat is out of the bag. Thank you, Paul Krugman, for finally saying what everybody knew for a year - that there WILL be so-called "Death Panels".
ftorresgamez 1 year ago
Death Panels will Create New Green Jobs ! solvent green
louis12346 1 year ago
krugman is the shillest of the shills. he was almost foaming at the mouth on this one, what a freak.
and i agree with peter schiff, krugman needs to give back the nobel.
junior00bacon00chee 1 year ago
Health care begins with YOU. Take care of yourself, noone else is going to do it for you. Prevention is better than cure.
solohoh 1 year ago
so-called "death panels WILL SAVE us a lot of money"?The fact this guy even says it with a STRAIGHT FACE?! These ppl have contortionist comments down to an art. Spins it beautifly:it's about "cost saving" at the very end- not about "death" or "rationing". So, in conclusion:
Jestiegirl 1 year ago
1. The ...death panels ARE in the HCB
2. They WILL SAVE us money
3. Shut up you Right Wing-Nut Jobs -quit complaining
4. No, there is no such thing as a "main stream media" doing Obamas dirty sales pitching i.e. Krugman(Only Evil can talk this way and not break a sweat)
Jestiegirl 1 year ago
flatlandsapex 1 year ago
@flatlandsapex
No, I agree with you 110%. I just interpreted what you said that, my mistake.
FFFF45 1 year ago
evil liberal phuckstains....
zmc33 1 year ago
It was Keynes who defended the long-term implications of his horrid 'economics' by saying, "In the end we are all dead".
Now Krugman would like to see this happen a little sooner. Don't be appalled, it will save money, which is clearly been the government's main focus for many years.
flatlandsapex 1 year ago
@flatlandsapex
That quote is Keyne's defense of the short term over the long term.
FFFF45 1 year ago
this shmuck, Krugman, has completely dissolved any credibilty he once had as an economist. And wasnt it Krugman saying just a few months ago that the death panels where made up, "fallacious", and "absurd"? And listen to the apathy in his voice when he talks about death panels as a "cost saver." Neo-Kensian? No, more like neo-Nazi
arthurwmacalpine 1 year ago 13
@arthurwmacalpine Ridiculous. Did you not hear the part when he said the advisory board cuts treatments that "don't do any good medically." How is eliminating payments for treatments that do not work Neo-Nazi? Do you get a CAT-scan every time you stub your toe to express your love of liberty and freedom?
hoodoo961 1 year ago
Krugman says those on the right are contradicting themselves. I don't think so. One need not engage in a contradiction by holding the health care reform bill will cost more money overall, though the 'death panel' portion will cut back on current spending for care not deemed 'efficient' for older patients.
m7steel 1 year ago
The real debate should be whether the medical establishment, as it is,kills more people than it saves.
chriskendall1 1 year ago
don't take this guy seriously as an economist; he's been a politician for years now.
Mises85 1 year ago
you are all goddamn fools and have no idea what is good for you.
frizico 1 year ago
death panels
its really true
Roachenator 1 year ago
Talk about failure to comprehend. All he said is that they will not cover medical interventions that dont work. And theres plenty of very expensive procedures that are done on patients all the time, just so doctors and hospitals can profit, even if theres zero evidence that they are effective.
Theres nothing nefarious about the Evidence Based Medicine concept.
This is a very good development, folks.
StarvingForTruth 1 year ago
@StarvingForTruth How many people do you know that got a medical procedure done they did not need? Shouldn't it be up to you and your Doctor to decide if you want or need a procedure and not some Government panel? I don't know about you but I can talk with my Doctor and he will tell the truth on fact based statistics weather a procedure works. Also you do realize that we rate number 1 in the best outcomes of all major diseases.
quizerry 1 year ago
@quizerry
No, it's not up to just me and my doctor. My insurance company gets a vote. And your doctor is unlikely to know the outcome data on every procedure he might recommend. This is especially true for the more modern and expensive interventions - you might think such data exists, but it doesn't. How we rate in outcome of major diseases is not the issue - so i'll ignore it as irrelevant, since it is. Like it or not, costs are an ever mounting issue. Life's tough, mate.
StarvingForTruth 1 year ago 2
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@StarvingForTruth "This is a very good development, folks."
Only under government run health care.
If government was not involved in health care, which has not been the case for a long time, those who could not afford marginal treatments simply wouldn't get them. That's the same money savings that Krugman talks about.
In a market for medicine, good care makes profits.
Government run, everyone and everything is a "cost".
CurtHowland 1 year ago
I cant believe that we have let this go on so long and let alone you vote for sh_t like this and give , GIVE away your freedoms we are literally 1 vote away from slavery this is only the beginning you better grab ahold of your freedom before they do. New World order is already set in place and were the only ones to stop it , stop watching major news channels that is the government listen to rush limbob or alex jones the info is there we have questions and we want answers u should 2 its a right
jokergun742 1 year ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
Need I say it??? WE TOLD YOU SO FOOLS!!!!
YES ALL WHO WANTED THE HEALTH CARE BILL PASSED ARE FOOLS,
AND YES I AM USING CAPS BECAUSE I AM YELLING.
AngriestAmerican 1 year ago 8
you conservatards are hilarious.. he's obviously saying this to humiliate you and you're pretending that he's saying it literally. that means you're either too goddamned stupid to engage in simple conversation, or you're all intellectually dishonest to portray something you know damn well is meant one way as the other.
what chicken-shirt little liars are America's conservatards!
KataVideo 1 year ago
How many more lies will it take for you sheep to WAKE UP!
st4ticblu3 1 year ago 3
This new format SUCKS! Almost as much as Paul Krugman!!!
FreeinTX 1 year ago
It's only a contradictory point of view if one listens closely. The proper argument is that Obama-care will not save any money ON NET. Nobody *actually* argued that it wouldn't save "any money" at all. That would be ridiculous. It would be saying, essentially, that Obama-care would push all prices to a theoretical "maximum price".
Anyway, Paul Krugman is in la-la land, but I'll give him props for finally speaking like a decent economist, instead of a jerk-off pundit.
gunsandbullhorns 1 year ago
I think they were laughing at Krugman for making a stupid charge aginst critics of the "reform".
DAILEYericCaryUSA 1 year ago
Yes lets start with Krugman, then Pelosi, Reid and Obama...
AUgrad00 1 year ago
Wow...amazing to hear a liberal actually admit that there are indeed death panels in Obamacare. As long as letting some old people die saves money right Paul? I am all for this as long as it starts with douche containers like Krugman.
mtpleasantcane 1 year ago 14
@mtpleasantcane
He's not a liberal — he's a "progressive". It means "Fascist". The Progressives were openly fascist before the USA entered WWI. After that, the word went out of vogue.
gunsandbullhorns 1 year ago 2
A lot of Jewish people, like his family, had to leave Belarus and brought the communism, as well as some attitudes about gentile Christians. (95,000 Christian priests were immediately slaughtered in Russia when Bolsheviks coup happened. Bronstein/Trotsky who started "pc" hated the Russians, if you read him. David Axelrod also came from the communist family experience. David Horowitz did also, but he writes about it, to tell people. Krugman is from NY Times also, I think.
westchesterny 1 year ago
@westchesterny 95.000 ?? Try 30.000.000 !!!
arcadefire99 1 year ago
@westchesterny
In slavic tongues (including Belarusian & Russian), the word/prefix Krug- (круг-) means "circle". The Yiddish word for circle is "Kikel" — hence the word slur "Kike".
I mean no disrespect to jewish people, but I think it's sort of funny that his name that his name translates to "kike man". ;D
gunsandbullhorns 1 year ago
Abortion and government health care = Culling the herd.
xxdonaldqxx 1 year ago
A women has a right to an abortion because the government has no right to tell her what she can do with her body.However an elderly or chronically ill person has no right to try to stay alive because the government has the right to decide when they die.I guess in some cases the government has a right to tell you what to do with your body.
xxdonaldqxx 1 year ago
@xxdonaldqxx
Well... If they are in a position to deny you service, then I guess that's how it works.
Too bad the healthcare bill didn't include a clause to abolish the AMA's monopoly on licensure. If it did, then the supply of doctors would grow, prices would be bid down, and medical professionals would be in a position to be more charitable (if they felt like it). I'm pretty sure we wouldn't need death-panels if prices were lower, and charity was more of an option.
gunsandbullhorns 1 year ago 2
@gunsandbullhorns You realize that before medicare and Medicaid the medical care and doctors worked the way you described it.When the government got involved that is when the prices skyrocketed and they have been going up every year since.
xxdonaldqxx 1 year ago 2
@xxdonaldqxx
Yeah. Medicare and Medicaid certainly accomplished this, but I argue that the root of the problem is AMA's monopoly. Everybody understands the concept of a "monopoly price". The Medicare and Medicade problem requires a few extra brain-cells in order to understand. I'm trying to keep it simple. ;D
gunsandbullhorns 1 year ago
@gunsandbullhorns Do think Medicare and Medicaid are connected to the AMA?
xxdonaldqxx 1 year ago
@xxdonaldqxx
Well... I could argue that Medicare and Medicaid were a short-sighted "solutions" to problems that could be chalked-up to AMA bottle-necking the supply of licensed doctors. But I think it would be a stretch to say that they are "connected" to the AMA.
My point is that Medicare and Medicaid would be a lot less relevant if there weren't so many anti-competitive restrictions within the medical industry.
gunsandbullhorns 1 year ago
@gunsandbullhorns
your insurance company can deny you service as it is right now. and you can still buy your own insurance. quit whining about shit you don't even remotely understand.
want prices lower? go invent cheaper interventions, and support the movement to not cover practices that eat up huge funds and don't work - like the plan discussed in the video is designed to do.
you guys has this bass ackwards.
StarvingForTruth 1 year ago
@StarvingForTruth
If you were actually "starving for truth" you'd pay attention to what the fuck I actually said. Do you understand that the AMA has a monopoly on accreditation, and that only accredited Medical Schools can give out licenses, and that one cannot practice medicine without a license?
Do you actually think inventions need to be INVENTED "cheaper"? You idiot, we're paying monopoly prices because the market isn't competitive — not because it costs so damn much to invent stuff.
gunsandbullhorns 1 year ago 2
@StarvingForTruth not to mention medicare is the most discriminate insurance in america and it's government run and bankrupt.
Speegs23 1 year ago 2
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@gunsandbullhorns
your insurance company can deny you service as it is right now. and you can still buy your own insurance. quit whining about shit you don't even remotely understand.
want prices lower? go invent cheaper interventions, and support the movement to not cover practices that eat up huge funds and don't work - like the plan discussed in the video is designed to do.
you guys has this bass ackwards.
StarvingForTruth 1 year ago
I love how he combines two separate arguments. I have never heard an argument that the advisory panels would cost money. This guy is constantly a doofus.
robbieills 1 year ago 2
Krugman = establishment shill..
dont call it socialism ..its blatant in your face fascism
finefilth 1 year ago 11
@finefilth Socialism is nothing but the road walked down on the way to fascism. It starts with a charismatic person promising you peaches and cream at the road's end. Only after walking onward for generations do you meet the conditioned thugs emboldened to rob you of property, rights, and, if they feel like it, life itself.
4Stanzas 1 year ago
@4Stanzas "Socialism is nothing but the road walked down on the way to fascism."
Funny you should say that. I've always seen it as Fascism, titular ownership of private property but only under tight government regulation, as being golden bricks on the way to full Socialism, that is direct government ownership of all factors of production.
CurtHowland 1 year ago
@CurtHowland Fascism and Socialism are kissing cousins. While Fascism relies on socialist programs to please the masses, Socialism relies on romantic ideas of belonging to state in order to push progress. Communism, or absolute ownership of the state for means of production, could never had gotten off the ground without manipulation of populace sentiments in regards to identity. But the 3rd Reich never gains traction without the tools socialism. Neither left or right, both are statist.
jimmyjoe1975 1 year ago
@jimmyjoe1975 you have a good point.. all of the "isms" are run by a Rothschild central bank issuing debt based usury money.. as i see it socialism has NEVER EXISTED and neither does capitalism.. What we have is FASCISM run by a monopoly private bank operating in secrecy, issuing private notes created from nothing.... Not only do they decide how much money is available , they decide WHO GETS IT....Control the money supply and you control everything else that matter, its really that simple.
finefilth 1 year ago
@jimmyjoe1975
WELL SAID JIMMY JOE.. BOTH LEFTIST IDEOLOGIES
finefilth 1 year ago
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jimmyjoe1975 1 year ago
@jimmyjoe1975
what doid you remove a great comment like that for?
finefilth 1 year ago
@finefilth I worded it wrong. Its back up as "Which is the eventual endstate of socialism."
jimmyjoe1975 1 year ago
@jimmyjoe1975
is that really socialism??.. thats not my definition... sound more like corporate parasitism or monopoly fascism
finefilth 1 year ago
@finefilth Which one? Socialism, as rooted in the initial nirvanic philosophy, cannot be achieved throughout society without the enlightened forcing individuals to join the collective. This eventually leads to the impassioned embrace of state as the savior of mankind. You should not confuse the philosophy of anarcho-capitalism with that of corporatism.
jimmyjoe1975 1 year ago
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@finefilth Which is the eventual endstate of socialism.
jimmyjoe1975 1 year ago
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this most likely has do with extra funding as surety for the overblown national debt ..
it has nothing to do with mediacal health..
the irs is nowinvolved to enforce non payments...
this would make the banksters happy to loan out to the govt...
googel : a4v.pdf
to study how all credit is based on the birth certificate and our body placed as collateral
kdcruz75 1 year ago
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this most likely has do with extra funding as surety for the overblown national debt ..
it has nothing to do with mediacal health..
the irs is nowinvolved to enforce non payments...
this would make the banksters happy to loan out to the govt...
googel : a4v.pdf
to study how all credit is based on the birth certificate and our body placed as collateral
kdcruz75 1 year ago
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this most likely has do with extra funding as surety for the overblown national debt ..
it has nothing to do with mediacal health..
the irs is nowinvolved to enforce non payments...
this would make the banksters happy to loan out to the govt...
googel : a4v.pdf
to study how all credit is based on the birth certificate and our body placed as collateral
kdcruz75 1 year ago
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this most likely has do with extra funding as surety for the overblown national debt ..
it has nothing to do with mediacal health..
the irs is nowinvolved to enforce non payments...
this would make the banksters happy to loan out to the govt...
googel : a4v.pdf
to study how all credit is based on the birth certificate and our body placed as collateral
kdcruz75 1 year ago
this most likely has do with extra funding as surety for the overblown national debt ..
it has nothing to do with mediacal health..
the irs is nowinvolved to enforce non payments...
this would make the banksters happy to loan out to the govt...
googel : a4v.pdf
to study how all credit is based on the birth certificate and our body placed as collateral
kdcruz75 1 year ago
"liberals" (they're actually socialists) weren't wrong. they just lied.
reallysecretusername 1 year ago
Gawd, How many times did I argue with these frickin libs that "death panels" discribed advisory panels and WERE in the bill!!!! Libs were wrong AGAIN!
Oh now that they acknowlege it, it is ok.
Libs suk!
quickboat22 1 year ago
LOL what an idiot he is to say this. Hahhaha tell us another joke Paul Krugman.
TheodoresWorld 1 year ago
Congress & the President exempted themselves from this socialized healthcare because they like the socialized healthcare...and think it's too good for them to have...only the great masses should have it.
CONGRESS & THE PRESIDENT EXEMPTED THEMSELVES FROM HAVING TO HAVE THE HEALTHCARE NOW REQUIRED OF THE AVERAGE CITIZEN
savagegalt 1 year ago
He obviously was not talking about "death panels". In his last comment, he was talking about cutting costs by getting rid of expensive yet ineffective treatments.
yanksrck 1 year ago
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savagegalt 1 year ago
An advisory panel of beaurocrats that dictates a person cannot receive more life-saving care is good!
It is good to have more government between the patient and doctor making decisions on their behalf.
Socialized medicine has not resulted in more Europeans and Canadians coming to America for healthcare
savagegalt 1 year ago
@yanksrck Sorry, Yank, he is specifically talking about cutting costs by getting rid of expensive PATIENTS.
CurtHowland 1 year ago
@CurtHowland The moderator laughed when he said death panels, he, for one, was not talking about death panels. Then Krugman says that eliminating "expensive treatments that actually don't do any good medically" would indeed save money. Nowhere does he say anything about ceasing expensive life sustaining treatments.
yanksrck 1 year ago
@yanksrck "eliminating "expensive treatments" that don't work"
Without government interference, such treatments wouldn't be done. It is only the bottomless money pit of Medicare, Medicaid and the regulations of insurance companies that have allowed such procedures to prevail.
Krugman constantly blames others for the failures of his own policies.
The problem with the Death Panels is that THEY decide, not you, not your doctor, not even your insurance company (if you choose to have one).
CurtHowland 1 year ago 2
@yanksrck I don't want islamo-marxist politicians telling me and my doctor what treatments "work".
jpeditor 1 year ago
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@CurtHowland The moderator laughed when he said death panels, he, for one, was not talking about death panels. Then Krugman says that eliminating "expensive treatments that actually don't do any good medically" would indeed save money. Nowhere does he say anything about ceasing expensive life sustaining treatments.
yanksrck 1 year ago
Save money, send the entire NY Times staff to the "advisory panels".
jpeditor 1 year ago
Celebrate death panels because death panels are an effective tool for population control. Like WWII Germany, the new 21st century USA is destined for ___________________.
huskie767 1 year ago
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Of course, the only other "economist" he talks too is a bunch of other socialist morons.
This guy is a moron when it comes to economist because it's bullshit economics. This guy failed ECON 101 and that's why he works for the NYT and is a professor at a liberal college.
TheLiberalssuckdick 1 year ago
look that guy never gave me the fact and where to look them up. typical.
there are no death panels and we rank behind every first world country on healthcare.
see how many people want our system. ask a someone from japan or england or europe if they want our system or if they like it more.
thesparitan 1 year ago
@thesparitan I can see why somebody would have to tell you where to get facts from because it appears you've been pulling them out of your ass.
DrKnow417 1 year ago 3
@DrKnow417
well that person never gave me his facts so i dont believe him. its called reason, when someone makes a claim and then cannot back it up, you dont believe them
thats not how you operate i geuss
thesparitan 1 year ago
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@thesparitan I can see why somebody would have to tell you where to get facts from because it appears you've been pulling them out of your ass.
DrKnow417 1 year ago
@thesparitan @yanksrck YOU'RE RIGHT!!
THERE ARE NO DEATH PANELS...
ONLY "ADVISORY" PANELS...THAT ADVISE WHEN TO CUT OFF CARE! THAT'S IT!
JUST BECAUSE THE DECISION OF WHETHER OR NOT TO TREAT SOMEONE IS NOW UP TO THE GOVERNMENT IS A NOT BAD THING!
LIKE GOV. RICHARD LAMM SAID "OLD PEOPLE HAVE A DUTY TO DIE"
A PATIENT AND DOCTOR SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO MAKE THAT DECISION! HEALTHCARE SHOULD BE RUN BY THE ALWAYS UNDER-BUDGET AND EFFICIENT GOV'T!
NO MORE PRIVATE HEALTHCARE!!
savagegalt 1 year ago
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thesparitan 1 year ago
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@thesparitan @yanksrck YOU'RE RIGHT!!
THERE ARE NO DEATH PANELS...
ONLY "ADVISORY" PANELS...THAT ADVISE WHEN TO CUT OFF CARE! THAT'S IT!
JUST BECAUSE THE DECISION OF WHETHER OR NOT TO TREAT SOMEONE IS NOW UP TO THE GOVERNMENT IS A NOT BAD THING!
LIKE GOV. RICHARD LAMM SAID "OLD PEOPLE HAVE A DUTY TO DIE"
A PATIENT AND DOCTOR SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO MAKE THAT DECISION! HEALTHCARE SHOULD BE RUN BY THE ALWAYS UNDER-BUDGET AND EFFICIENT GOV'T!
NO MORE PRIVATE HEALTHCARE!!
savagegalt 1 year ago
jesus there are some wcko people that comment on this video.
thesparitan 1 year ago
OOOPss!!! Paul, you let the cat out of the bag.
xorn96 1 year ago
Logan's Run?
carpediemfan 1 year ago
I'm going to laugh like a mad woman when I see the first liberals face fall, when they experience government run insurance. I really think that they think that they will be treated special and different, but as history has shown, they suffer the most.
onejanedoe2003 1 year ago 2
so i guess the argument is not will there be death panels(they agree there will be) but that it WILL save money contrary to right wing beliefs.
Yeah that doesn't make feel any better about the idea.
LordGav1n 1 year ago 2
Krugman is a crackpot Keynesian economist. He advocated that the Federal Reserve slash interest rates artificially low in the wake of the dotcom crash. He advocated that the federal government try to stimulate housing. Just google "Krugman advocates housing bubble." He lamely claims the article was just a piece of "policy analysis." This fool also thinks that there is nothing wrong with the Federal Reserve creating new money out of thin air to buy U.S. Treasuries. The man is a lunatic.
joepeeler34 1 year ago
So if Krugman needs a treatment that costs alot of money, he is ok with passing it up so there can be "cost savings". Got it.
connecticutmommmy 1 year ago 2
This guy is crazy. I'm so smart my head is up my ass. Just look at my face its my ass.
MrDurcon 1 year ago
I agree let's start with Paul Krugman
newbombturk99 1 year ago 11
These Malthusians won't stop until they get the mass culling they want.
This is just another power grab. They're attempting to take control every means that people sustain themselves. The world has seen this too many times to fall for it.
They're criminals, and they're out of control. Eugenics is alive and well, and it's come home to roost in the executive branch..
FreedomsReigning 1 year ago 4
These communists are despicable.
KCSteak 1 year ago 18
@KCSteak they aren't communists, they are Nazi's
themunz126 1 year ago
@KCSteak
Isn't it nice to know all your income tax goes directly to that private foreign bank that prints money out of thin air to give to whomever it wishes destroying our savings and purchasing power too?
Back to work, first for that private offshore bank, second for the always under-budget and efficient citizen-loving, non-militarizing police with UN funds, federal government :)
savagegalt 1 year ago
@KCSteak Privatizing profits while socializing costs is actually fascist.
RachelBartlett 1 year ago
@KCSteak, to all the trolls who are debating communists vs marxists vs socialism. I say I will not go quietly into the night.
KCSteak 1 year ago
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@KCSteak, to all the trolls who are debating communists vs marxists vs socialism. I say I will not go quietly into the night.
KCSteak 1 year ago
The zionist must be routed.
MrCone223 1 year ago
Leftist Jews are a disgrace to their race and the world. After the Holocaust this fuck can sit there and say this? A Leftist jew is the one that would have pushed his mother into the gas chambers ahead of him in order to buy himself an extra day of life.
dbstooge 1 year ago 4
Damn .....where are you liberals swearing this was not gona happin???
libralssuck 1 year ago 2
I thought the allies won WWII? Eugenics is in full effect.
maximusdecimus888 1 year ago 4
Yuk it up - damn funny subjects on ABC - Disney owned. Every dollar counts I guess - grandma now - Eugenics later.
genehilbert 1 year ago 2
How many people here came from Germany to the USA? Does this sound even vaguely familiar to you?
I despise and loathe these people so much, I just don't have the words. This is what the National Socialist German Workers Party did- exactly. They didn't treat the crippled or retarded or mentally ill or the elderly.
And they were culled from society like cattle.
dankeschone 1 year ago
I'm going to have to SCREAM through capital letters and exclamation points!!!!
Who the HECK are these people to make that decision!!! It is not their choice to make.
Every routine treatment you get at some point was experimental and costly. The only reason we've gotten this far is because somebody decided it was worth the cost to keep themselves healthy. If we had advisory panels making those decisions, would we be at such an advanced point in the medical field?
Short answer: NO!
ixaxion 1 year ago 3
paul krugman makes ZERO sense. why people listen to him baffles me.
scientistJVander 1 year ago
My hope is that Paul Krugman will be one of the first to try this out since he thinks this is such a great thing.
kattisch 1 year ago 2
First, it was the war on our children with Abortion.
Now, comes the war on the elderly with Death Panels.
josefscoatband 1 year ago 2
what???
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arfywarfy 1 year ago
wait! I thought death panels didn't exist. Oh I see they don't exist because they have been phased in yet. You got to love the fascist newspeak.
Binding hearings... but wait I thought health care was a right. So by god! If I want some new medical treatment and I want to spend my money on it the gov't can fuck off.
9mmparadox 1 year ago 3
Obama LIED! He said nobody wants to pull the plug on Grandma, well here's the proof! He also said 80% of medical bills are run up in the last two years of life, which means he wants you dead before then. You people who voted for him anyway are IDIOTS! He told you straight up what he was going to do and you didn't listen. WAKE UP before you are the one on life support or in a coma and the government pulls your plug!
gamewizard 1 year ago
how many old people has this bill killed so far, anyone?
ZERO.
i hope after a few years everyone here will see that it doesnt kill people and realize they are idiots. wow people in this video dont look at facts.
thesparitan 1 year ago
@thesparitan
It hasn't taken affect yet fuckhead.
gamewizard 1 year ago 3
@thesparitan
It hasn't taken effect yet.If it's needed so badly why does it take 4 years? Aren't they killing people right now because the bill has no immediate effect? Wasn't that the point of hurrying the whole thing? Dengell, "The harsh fact of the matter is when youre going to pass legislation that will cover 300 American people in different ways it takes a long time to do the necessary administrative steps that have to be taken to put the legislation together to CONTROL THE PEOPLE."
AlaskanInfidel 1 year ago 2
@thesparitan yoru kind of clueless aren't you? Rham's brother Eziekel is the one who authored non discrimination by age in health care rationing. It was put in the stimulus bill. Go figure.
themunz126 1 year ago
@themunz126 what are you talking about. what is your point?
thesparitan 1 year ago
@thesparitan Go to the stimulus bill. Check the health care board that Rham's brother Ezikiel is on, they are the ones who determine who gets care when it comes between a younger person or an older person. Younger people get care regardless. That is the death panel that everyone is talking about. It is real. It was in the stimulus bill. It will happen, not enough doctors, money or facilities. They expect to ration. When it comes to rationing, they will decide by age who gets care or who dies.
themunz126 1 year ago
@themunz126 what does the sitimulus bill have to do with healthcare, and are you insane?
you dont seem like a rational person, what the fuck is wrong with your mind. i can see that talking to you would not be useful. and what about healthcare companies rationing care right now. we do have death panels and they are called healthcare insurance corporations.
fucking nuts in the country
thesparitan 1 year ago
@thesparitan Obama is the one who put the death panels in the stimulus you clueless nimrod. I just gave you the facts. Check them out for yourself. Health care companies rationing care? are you nuts? medicaid and medicare have a higher rate of denial than ANY private insurer. Check your facts. Or is that too hard for a liberal? You can take a health care company to court if need be, there is NO recourse to obamacare.
themunz126 1 year ago 2
@themunz126 fine, where are the facts so i can look at them myself?
lets see what you have. lol
thesparitan 1 year ago
Oh they are saints next to what you all are fixing to endure. I had state issued insurance and all I can say is Thank You Yahweh for getting me off it.!!! It's horrible. 90 days to go over appeals of meds you are taking and is suddenly taken away...like 300-400 dollar meds that will be out of pocket until they decide, and beyond when they usually deny!!
onejanedoe2003 1 year ago 2