I think the CG was off. Without knowing anything else, I would say that this plane was tail heavy. The flight was doomed from the start. Hope you got it fixed!
I crashed mine the same way because I didn't use enough throttle the first two times . When I forced myself to use full throttle I did fine. I was used to the hobbyzone Champ which will fly with next to nothing for throttle.
Check the takeoffs on my J3 cub videos - its also underpowered. Into a breeze I try and keep it nice and smooth off the ground so I can pick up some speed and not worry about stalling.
It is good for a trainer to have a low thrust/weight ratio as it teaches the pilot to monitor what the plane is doing, anticipate their next move and plan ahead, rather than just pin the throttle and yank the sticks.
Resembled a reversed aileron take off and crash....are you sure the ailerons where setup correctly during your pre-flight? These Cubs are hard to stall, the take off didn't look that steep, and the wing loading on that model is not much at all. Not to insult you, but it was a dumb-thumb or reversed ailerons from my experience.
@ricksteffey123 We did check the ailerons both before and after flight, They were good, I also did look at the controls of the pilot just after the crash, he had full right ailerons but no rudder, this cub was under powered compared to most RC planes. The pilot pulled the plane into a stall at takeoff and the tryed to correct the roll with aileron, this caused the left wing to stall and start a spin. The spin could not fully develop in that the ground got in the way.
@ricksteffey123 hard to stall !they stall and spin as a result of poor c.g. the tale never came of the ground probly the giant lipo pack sitting in the back seat but im no expert just restore and fly fullscales oh and also build and fly in r.c. topgun comp i didnt look to see if ail were reversed but they probly were to a cub needs to be a little nose heavy or they bite!
Pilot error. Whether scale or real (I fly both). A cub is not an easy plane to fly compared to a cherokee or cessna. It's a lot more rudder dependent. Typical spin stall. I've done it with my 1/4 scale before that is underpowered with an OS120. I'm now putting a gas engine on it 30cc. That plane could have flown if given the speed needed to take off and not over pitched upward before it was ready to fly.
How the hell can you fly with out the engine cover are you made thats proberbly why you crashed it and something that big witch is alot of money what are you thinking your mad.
I've flown a lot of r/c cubs and that is how they tip stall. Most likely tail heavy with too much elevator on take off. There was no cowl and if it was balanced with the cowl then that would partly explain it. My friends used to laugh at my clipped cubs saying they were boring until one friend bought one and 20 attempts later gave up because he never got it off the ground. :^) Ground loops, tip stall take off attempts, flipping the nose in to the grass. It was so funny.
For a quick background, I have been in avation all my life. My family does crop dusting and I learned to fly in a PA-18 Cub, and flew solo at 16. I have been flying RC planes since age 14. Or crashing might be a better way of wording it. I passed the controles over to a more experienced RC pilot. But what caused this was an under powered plane, and a pilot that did not know how to fly a plane like that. The plane was too slow at take off and he just pointed it noise high, it stalled and spun.
Not nesicarily. Training implies that you work with something physically gaining experience, such as on the job training or physical training. College is not nescicarily training, but learning. You learn how something works and why it does things a certain way. Of course a through understanding of aerodynamics is essitential to becomeing a good pilot as is the propper training and experience. They are two strands of the same cord and one cannot be a good pilot without both aspects in balance.
I got very lucky the other night. i took off and the engine cut out.....my cub flipped over on its back. thankfully the weight all went on the prop so there was no damage. well, exept the prop.
Cub are not super easy to fly. They have very bad stall tendancies if not flown correctly. Plane could have been out of balance but I wouldn't blame that over pilot error.
Like all airplanes, they don't fly when you stall them. And yes, it wasn't just improper CG, pilot error caused the roll over. But Cubs are one of the most forgiving ariplanes to fly aslong as they have not been modifyed too much. They need to make a true scale model of a cub, one with an acurate airfoil. In this video it almost looks like he tries to snap-roll at 3 feet. This is why you have an instructor and a buddy box.
Yeah, tendencies to be super forgiving and easy to fly. His CG was WAY off. That plane would takeoff and land itself if it was set up right. Notice that his tail never left the ground. Also, the guy just stalled it absolutely to death.
That was not because of CG, the plane didn't fly long enough to determine that. He tried to get it in the air before it was ready. That was pilot error 100%. I have flown both rc and real cubs. I am refering to the RC model when I say bad stall tendancies, this video is a perfect example. I own the same one and have videos posted. They will go into a spin very easy and need alot of power to recover. They do not fly like a RC trainer at all.
I agree. The sport ones have the charectoristic cub shape and yellow color but their "cookie cutter" shape only fools the eyes into thinking it's a cub. I was refering to scale models of this aircraft in compairison. As I implied this is not a REAL cub model it is a FAKE model that only LOOKS like a cub and flies nothing LIKE a cub and I believe that it is a FRAUD to sell it as a 1/4 Scale cub. It is a LIE.
Have you ever flown a Full scale Cub? This was a spin just after take off. A Cub is a great plane to advoid a spin in and has the rudder needed to correct it if the Pilot knew what he was doing. And what do you mean crashed yours, RC or Full Scale? Thanks
it sounded like there was something rong with the enjien sorry bout spelling i'm 13 and suck in spelling. i fly the stricker and the new extra 300 sp. it seems like that plane would be more like a nexstar, i that it would be easy right =)
It was the start of a spin, the pilot took off to slow and tried to roll level but stalled the wing he was trying to lift. Tail heavy is not the problem
haha right because a properly sized electric setup will be more likely to stall than a glow setup... that was sarcasm by the way. if anything an electric will be less likely to stall as it has instant power unlike the fuel motors that have to rev up slower.
the problem was the pilot, yes you get the tail off the ground as soon as possable, get the speed to what is required and then take off. the plane was overweight and under powered.
Yes to slow of a takeoff speed. When the pilot tried to level the wings with the ailerons the plane rolled the opposite direction. This would indicate that the plane was very close to stall speed. If we would have used rudder and no ailerons, as well as kept the nose down instead of trying to pop the plane into the air that cub might still be flyable. But he didn't
Yes, it was way under power and overweight, The pilot was used to flying foam electrics, so he did not let it get enough speed, so he spun or snap rolled the plane in.
this is the largest Electric that We have made. but the largest Electric that I know of is called "Big Floyd" It had a 50 foot wing span and was moved to the field by 3 mini vans. Hans Wildebush built it.
classic cub crash, you took off before the tail was even flying and it stalled. not to mention that field doesnt seem appropriate to fly a 106 inch plane...
See most gas clubs say that electric doesnt have a scale sound. A gasser is not a scale sound thats 2 stroke. This electric Mustang has reciprocating sound right here. This could save a club in trouble with noise they know who they are. As you can see its not so bad this one performs.
That's an all to familiar see-saw wipe out of a full wing cub. Clip the wing, put a potato on the CG and try to keep it on the ground until you reach 1.5* stall speed. That finally got it for me.
It looks to me to be seriously underpowered. Maybe too low C rating of the battery, maybe prop pitch too high, maybe engine too weak. Plus not very competent piloting. If you are past some imaginary T-mark it doesnt means you HAVE to take off. The pilot was watching too many movies.
I think the CG was off. Without knowing anything else, I would say that this plane was tail heavy. The flight was doomed from the start. Hope you got it fixed!
caffeine69x 1 month ago
Sounded like it was missing its tail wheel
shagy2shagy 2 months ago
yeap. too underpowered!
Kekelala1976 3 months ago
wat u get for it being electric
1lilwyte 3 months ago
I crashed mine the same way because I didn't use enough throttle the first two times . When I forced myself to use full throttle I did fine. I was used to the hobbyzone Champ which will fly with next to nothing for throttle.
kenx53 5 months ago
Bravo!
Way underpowered though... next time you'll check static thrust before takeoff.
thechoosendude 7 months ago
I've seen SO many cubs crash like that!
freercsimulators 9 months ago
next time try taking off INTO the wind
nighthawk0077 10 months ago
Check the takeoffs on my J3 cub videos - its also underpowered. Into a breeze I try and keep it nice and smooth off the ground so I can pick up some speed and not worry about stalling.
It is good for a trainer to have a low thrust/weight ratio as it teaches the pilot to monitor what the plane is doing, anticipate their next move and plan ahead, rather than just pin the throttle and yank the sticks.
boingkster 11 months ago
Resembled a reversed aileron take off and crash....are you sure the ailerons where setup correctly during your pre-flight? These Cubs are hard to stall, the take off didn't look that steep, and the wing loading on that model is not much at all. Not to insult you, but it was a dumb-thumb or reversed ailerons from my experience.
ricksteffey123 11 months ago
@ricksteffey123 We did check the ailerons both before and after flight, They were good, I also did look at the controls of the pilot just after the crash, he had full right ailerons but no rudder, this cub was under powered compared to most RC planes. The pilot pulled the plane into a stall at takeoff and the tryed to correct the roll with aileron, this caused the left wing to stall and start a spin. The spin could not fully develop in that the ground got in the way.
Tomasreabe 11 months ago
@Tomasreabe
Was he on the right Model when he took off?
nicobec 7 months ago
@ricksteffey123 hard to stall !they stall and spin as a result of poor c.g. the tale never came of the ground probly the giant lipo pack sitting in the back seat but im no expert just restore and fly fullscales oh and also build and fly in r.c. topgun comp i didnt look to see if ail were reversed but they probly were to a cub needs to be a little nose heavy or they bite!
g6rcteam 2 months ago
Pilot error. Whether scale or real (I fly both). A cub is not an easy plane to fly compared to a cherokee or cessna. It's a lot more rudder dependent. Typical spin stall. I've done it with my 1/4 scale before that is underpowered with an OS120. I'm now putting a gas engine on it 30cc. That plane could have flown if given the speed needed to take off and not over pitched upward before it was ready to fly.
Jamesfromnyc 1 year ago
Pilot error.
Jamesfromnyc 1 year ago
How the hell can you fly with out the engine cover are you made thats proberbly why you crashed it and something that big witch is alot of money what are you thinking your mad.
SVenables97 1 year ago
i could see it having little power and being tail heavy
JetFlyyer 1 year ago
Small power. More power and will be ok.
jackson1231970 1 year ago
WERE THE AILERONS REVERSED?
jeep200000 1 year ago
Way.... Btw the nose was loose so thats might wat have happend
Will0181 1 year ago
try taking off into the wind next time
nighthawk0077 1 year ago
tail heavy. i would suggest having it slightly nose heavy
nibbler125 1 year ago
Not enought horizontal speed. This is a scale model not a trainer.
spunkyreal 1 year ago
I've flown a lot of r/c cubs and that is how they tip stall. Most likely tail heavy with too much elevator on take off. There was no cowl and if it was balanced with the cowl then that would partly explain it. My friends used to laugh at my clipped cubs saying they were boring until one friend bought one and 20 attempts later gave up because he never got it off the ground. :^) Ground loops, tip stall take off attempts, flipping the nose in to the grass. It was so funny.
spyder000069 1 year ago
you didn't have flying speed at takeoff and you entered a tip stall with no chance for recovery
440centerline 1 year ago
The sound in the first 5 seconds makes me want to rip my ears off!
Seriously, how do you stall a Cub on takeoff?
canadianmaple09 1 year ago
@caseythesnake lol no ailerons! :)
rcflyg 2 years ago
I,m gonna take a guess your ailerons are backwards.
FireFerret2222 2 years ago
Reversed ailerons
ricksteffey123 2 years ago
it doesn't seem to take off that fast.... maybe it could get some more speed instead.
deimos2k6 2 years ago
common cub responce, was caused by 1.took off to quick, 2. torque. classic tip stall
GotZeeBody 2 years ago
lol that was fast xD!
FioX094 2 years ago
underpowered model....classic cub stall/spin on takeoff
ctquicksilver 2 years ago
it didnt stall the alerons were reversed..and it was under powered
Ruffpuppys 2 years ago 6
@Ruffpuppys cubs dont have alerons....
caseythesnake 2 years ago
Cub's DO have ailerons.
sheldonholy 1 year ago
@Ruffpuppys
exactly what i figured from watching the video. definatly nat a stall.
Dissagree that it was underpowered though.
wmrcer 1 year ago
@Ruffpuppys
."and it was under powered"
So are the real ones. They fly from lift created from air over the wings. Not hanging onto a spinning prop.
1Flammenwerfer 11 months ago
People know they need training for work. Then they assume this takes no education. College degrees are training not intelligence.
Anyone can contact me for theory of aerodynamics.
32 years experience and theory.
therealstory1 2 years ago
For a quick background, I have been in avation all my life. My family does crop dusting and I learned to fly in a PA-18 Cub, and flew solo at 16. I have been flying RC planes since age 14. Or crashing might be a better way of wording it. I passed the controles over to a more experienced RC pilot. But what caused this was an under powered plane, and a pilot that did not know how to fly a plane like that. The plane was too slow at take off and he just pointed it noise high, it stalled and spun.
Tomasreabe 2 years ago 3
You got it man!
Jamesfromnyc 2 years ago
Not nesicarily. Training implies that you work with something physically gaining experience, such as on the job training or physical training. College is not nescicarily training, but learning. You learn how something works and why it does things a certain way. Of course a through understanding of aerodynamics is essitential to becomeing a good pilot as is the propper training and experience. They are two strands of the same cord and one cannot be a good pilot without both aspects in balance.
Hector49er 2 years ago
Looks to me like the ailerons were reversed..
txkflier 2 years ago
Nose heavy planes fly poorly...
Tail heavy planes fly once...
paulvolio 2 years ago
except 3D aerobatic planes
buntcher 2 years ago
I got very lucky the other night. i took off and the engine cut out.....my cub flipped over on its back. thankfully the weight all went on the prop so there was no damage. well, exept the prop.
modeltrain9500 2 years ago
Cub are not super easy to fly. They have very bad stall tendancies if not flown correctly. Plane could have been out of balance but I wouldn't blame that over pilot error.
Jamesfromnyc 2 years ago
Like all airplanes, they don't fly when you stall them. And yes, it wasn't just improper CG, pilot error caused the roll over. But Cubs are one of the most forgiving ariplanes to fly aslong as they have not been modifyed too much. They need to make a true scale model of a cub, one with an acurate airfoil. In this video it almost looks like he tries to snap-roll at 3 feet. This is why you have an instructor and a buddy box.
Hector49er 2 years ago
!! LOL FAIL !!
MAUEN88 2 years ago
cubs fly different then others, they have different tendencies and until you learn that, you will continue to run it into the ground :)
adslparts 2 years ago
Yeah, tendencies to be super forgiving and easy to fly. His CG was WAY off. That plane would takeoff and land itself if it was set up right. Notice that his tail never left the ground. Also, the guy just stalled it absolutely to death.
Hector49er 2 years ago
I agree because i fly one.
praveen24121 2 years ago
That was not because of CG, the plane didn't fly long enough to determine that. He tried to get it in the air before it was ready. That was pilot error 100%. I have flown both rc and real cubs. I am refering to the RC model when I say bad stall tendancies, this video is a perfect example. I own the same one and have videos posted. They will go into a spin very easy and need alot of power to recover. They do not fly like a RC trainer at all.
Jamesfromnyc 2 years ago
I agree. The sport ones have the charectoristic cub shape and yellow color but their "cookie cutter" shape only fools the eyes into thinking it's a cub. I was refering to scale models of this aircraft in compairison. As I implied this is not a REAL cub model it is a FAKE model that only LOOKS like a cub and flies nothing LIKE a cub and I believe that it is a FRAUD to sell it as a 1/4 Scale cub. It is a LIE.
Hector49er 2 years ago
unless you have a high thrust to weight ratio you cant horse a Cub off the ground..
TejasRCpilot 2 years ago 4
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Hector49er 2 years ago
This is typical to the Piper cub (full scale also !)
It fly and land easy and nice, but take off are pain in a butt. I crashed mine (1985 !) few weeks ago, exactly the same way !
Alexvideoclip 2 years ago
Have you ever flown a Full scale Cub? This was a spin just after take off. A Cub is a great plane to advoid a spin in and has the rudder needed to correct it if the Pilot knew what he was doing. And what do you mean crashed yours, RC or Full Scale? Thanks
Tomasreabe 2 years ago
Hi,
No I never flown a full scale Piper Cub.
The one I crashed was a Carl Goldberg kit from 1985.
Yes I must be a bad pilote.
Alexvideoclip 2 years ago
it sounded like there was something rong with the enjien sorry bout spelling i'm 13 and suck in spelling. i fly the stricker and the new extra 300 sp. it seems like that plane would be more like a nexstar, i that it would be easy right =)
chance1234asdf 2 years ago
LOL at the electric. Only winps fly electric ;)
girrocks12345 3 years ago
Yeah...LOL!
sheldonholy 2 years ago
was tail heavy i had same plane same problem i moved battery up to nose and flys fine now
dontcrash101 3 years ago
positively tail heavy
yeecumyak 3 years ago
ha ha
martin733 3 years ago
hey did you ever find out what was wrong with that cub, got the same plane same problem. was it tail heavy.
dontcrash101 3 years ago
It looks like like the plane is tail heavy or does not have enough vertical support... or a combination of both. Hope this helps. happy flying.
stphndxtr 3 years ago
It was the start of a spin, the pilot took off to slow and tried to roll level but stalled the wing he was trying to lift. Tail heavy is not the problem
Tomasreabe 3 years ago
hasn't it got a back wheel? its scraping ad yeah needs a bit more power and less elevator ha
jbquintet 3 years ago
every one knows that you put an nitro engine a a piper that big. electrics are easyer to stall
peterm33445566778899 3 years ago
haha right because a properly sized electric setup will be more likely to stall than a glow setup... that was sarcasm by the way. if anything an electric will be less likely to stall as it has instant power unlike the fuel motors that have to rev up slower.
yaniel87 3 years ago 3
hey I am new at flying but nitro always will have the most power. at least thats what the guys at the hobbie shop say.....
peterm33445566778899 3 years ago
i'd find a new hobby shop if i was you. electrics can have more power, glow can have more power. it all depends on how you build it.
yaniel87 3 years ago
k well ty anyway and any advice on how to fly a plane?
peterm33445566778899 3 years ago
:::OUCH:::
rocksaustin 3 years ago
Do you know what gets you a nomination for the worst R/C pilot in the world? Stalling a J-3 Cub 2 feet off of takeoff!
canadianmaple09 3 years ago
Engine got no Power,i think....
JIMBOJON75 3 years ago
tail heavy I guess..
EPowerFlyer 3 years ago
Under powered it may have been but with a half decent pilot that would have flown.
francepourmoi 3 years ago
I would tend to agree with ya.
Jamesfromnyc 2 years ago
Horrible pilot, stalled the plane very brutally. Bigger engine would only hide pilot's inability for some time.
krbosak 3 years ago
it really looked like invered aileron control, the stall was too quick isnt it?
mig15fan 3 years ago
It looked as no aileron control due to wing stall. Very classic case. But the pilot pulled elevator exceptionally.
krbosak 3 years ago
you should pop the tail in the air and let it pick up speed while on the ground then take off.
akelijah 3 years ago
the problem was the pilot, yes you get the tail off the ground as soon as possable, get the speed to what is required and then take off. the plane was overweight and under powered.
Tomasreabe 3 years ago
i dont think it was overweight but the pilot is just shitty.
cjmorton 3 years ago
To slow speed!
sputtnikk11 3 years ago
Yes to slow of a takeoff speed. When the pilot tried to level the wings with the ailerons the plane rolled the opposite direction. This would indicate that the plane was very close to stall speed. If we would have used rudder and no ailerons, as well as kept the nose down instead of trying to pop the plane into the air that cub might still be flyable. But he didn't
Tomasreabe 3 years ago
Is that electric??
monster271 3 years ago
Yes, it was way under power and overweight, The pilot was used to flying foam electrics, so he did not let it get enough speed, so he spun or snap rolled the plane in.
Tomasreabe 3 years ago
Wow, that's the bggest electric I've ever seen. Is it bought, or built?
speeddude271 3 years ago
search this one
"16' Telemaster Flight"
this is the largest Electric that We have made. but the largest Electric that I know of is called "Big Floyd" It had a 50 foot wing span and was moved to the field by 3 mini vans. Hans Wildebush built it.
Tomasreabe 3 years ago
nice pilot skills lol
austinpowers1977 3 years ago
BOTTOM LINE...TAIL HEAVY
norm53 3 years ago
classic cub crash, you took off before the tail was even flying and it stalled. not to mention that field doesnt seem appropriate to fly a 106 inch plane...
yaniel87 4 years ago
This was the Plane that was given to us that we had to use for our project, Unless it would not work.
Tomasreabe 4 years ago
cg too far back?
Za1729 4 years ago
yep electric motors are light its hard to move them up thats why turboprop crop dusters look so funny with ther long noses
aflacduky 4 years ago
sweet takeoff
hamieone 4 years ago
Man, that blows.
threeforty7 4 years ago
my plane does that EVERY TAKEOFF
adidas22205 4 years ago
See most gas clubs say that electric doesnt have a scale sound. A gasser is not a scale sound thats 2 stroke. This electric Mustang has reciprocating sound right here. This could save a club in trouble with noise they know who they are. As you can see its not so bad this one performs.
type -->p 51 conversion
TheAMAexposed 4 years ago
I lost a plane once just like this one.
The moment it crashed I realised the ailerons weren't reved and thus responding opposite my stick.
I had been fiddling with the new tx and at the end of the day I decided to reset the thing,but didn't realise I forgot to rev the aileron servo again.
Just like a clubmember said: It's a mistake you have to make once.
framelocator 4 years ago
Good chance the ailerons were backwards.
zippy1938 4 years ago
That's an all to familiar see-saw wipe out of a full wing cub. Clip the wing, put a potato on the CG and try to keep it on the ground until you reach 1.5* stall speed. That finally got it for me.
ronfake1 4 years ago
It looks to me to be seriously underpowered. Maybe too low C rating of the battery, maybe prop pitch too high, maybe engine too weak. Plus not very competent piloting. If you are past some imaginary T-mark it doesnt means you HAVE to take off. The pilot was watching too many movies.
krbosak 4 years ago
nice lol wow is that electric ? nice thow lol im sorry 4 your loss then agen it doesnt look like the plane was hurt to badly :)
JC19903000 5 years ago