It's hilarious to me that all of you comment as if you actually know anything. None of you are doctors or researchers, you are simply people who read a little, or heard a little, Gary Taubes, or Ornish, and now your commenting as if you grasp anything at all, which none of us do, me included. So let's all either start siting sources or shut the fuck up. It's not as simple as this works and this doesn't, individual differences are involved and broad generalizing is dangerous.
and not genetics make you fat but too much food does. and there is no specific food that makes us fat only an excess of calories can do that. that's why you can lose as much weight as you want consuming nothing but soda and junk food.
controlling insulin is nonsense because protein also raise insulin not only carbs. and additionally saturated fat increases the insulin response. therefore his main argument about controlling insulin is bs. people should track their food intake and determine the number of calories at which they maintain weight and simply subtract 500-800 to lose 1-1.5 lbs per week. there is no need to remove carbs completely to lose weight. get all essential fats, enough fiber and protein and all your micros.
None if this is true. The truth is, that fat people have no will power. I've seen it over and over. They shovel food into their mouth and eat too much. Their eyes glaze over and they go into a trance while eating. It is called FOOD ADDICTION.
@1imesub also historically the french and southern asians were known to be thin based on a higher unrefined carb diet than Western societies. sadly, they too are experiencing rising obesity as refined grain products, sugar/high carb processed snacks are introduced to their society. from where? from the USA.
the USDA is profiting hugely from our export of grain/corn based products, hence they have every reason to support evidence in favor of carbs
@danhantheman I came off a little harsh on that last comment so I removed it (didn't want to hurt your feelings).
You are oversimplifying/overgeneralizing the facts though. Many ethnic populations are being led astray by the processed and meat and dairy heavy diets of Americans. You also have to take into account that many of these people are smoking more cigarettes and riding around in cars now instead of riding bikes for exercise. To blame obesity on genetics is plain ignorance.
@1imesub less activity can make u fat, but to say modern cars is the cause of OBESITY (i.e. 50lbs overweight).
do your family members a favor, they love meat/dairy. tell them to cut their carbs down and follow a Paleo Diet, i promise u they will rejuvenate their health in a few months. let them decide.
also you've given zero evidence but vast generalizations whereas what ive said im not anecdoting based "on my family members". just cuz ur not carb sensitive doesnt mean the world is like u
Okay... so where does this "hormonal imbalance" come from? If carbohydrates are so bad, then why are billions of Asians lean and healthy on a HIGH CARB diet of rice and vegetables? Makes no sense...
@1imesub because most asians evolved as agricultural societies whereas many ppl from other areas of the world were still primarily hunter-gatherer societies as of 10-20,000 yrs ago. think harder pal, just cuz it make's no sense to u doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.
also fructose is metabolized rapidly w/o control in the liver via De Novo Lipogenesis INTO triglycerides. hence excess fructose = excess fat. whereas excess dietary fat is released well under control by the liver
@danhantheman You idiot, carbohydrates don't make you fat. There are living examples all around you, I'm one of them. I have family members who are obese; eat dairy and meat every day. I am in great shape though on a high carbohydrate plant based diet. Chinese Shaolin warriors are incredibly acrobatic and strong thanks to a high carbohydrate vegetarian diet. There are billions of examples of this, take off the blinders! Hello?
@1imesub also just cuz ur not fat doesnt mean ur that healthy either. not to be harsh, but lots of thin ppl suffer from depression and one day find our they have cancer. these are all metabolically related processes, and one of the major suspected causes is chronic ingestion of high GI/refined carbs and sugars, esp the latter in cancer. so dont think ur in the clear yet just cuz ur not fat, u COULDNT GET FAT if u tried. stop tryin to be dogmatic if u dont know the other side
@danhantheman whereas i used to weigh 280lbs as a teen. i used to box, activity or metabolism were never issues. i learned about Taubes + Paleo Diet, lost 120lbs and kept it off with ease following an almost no carb diet. i am now 28. i used to follow the whole grains, heart healthy USDA diet and it nearly made me diabetic, caused me chronic gut/immune system probs.
so yeah we're all different, if ur thin, ur thin. but if ur obese like half of americans, mind as well give Taubes a chance
@danhantheman I'm not saying a low carb diet won't make you lose weight, I'm saying it's unnatural and dangerous. I don't advocate eating refined grains like white flower, but rice and corn are staples in my diet. I will occasionally eat gluten containing grains in sprouted form. Cultures who consume high protein diets consistently suffer from atherosclerosis and osteoporosis. If you are eating oxidized fats, in any form, you are on the fast track to heart disease. No animal products, no oils.
@1imesub i dont understand why ppl like u are so stubborn. if u ve never been obese or worked with them in a clinic, u rly aren't in a position to dictate what obese ppl should eat. we've cut down our fat steadily since the 80's to eat a whole grains diet like the USDA says, and our obesity has been directly moving up.
get off ur stubborn ass, and realize ur one of the luckier ones who's not fat eating high carbs. while ur family isn't. do everyone a favor and tell them about the paleo diet
@danhantheman People like me know we're right. That's why we don't appreciate these "low carb" lowlifes lying to people about nutrition. If you want to be healthy, cut meat and dairy out of your diet.
Watch "Make Yourself Heart Attack Proof," by Dr. Esselstyn. It's free on youtube and well worth your time. If you still believe grains are bad for your health, I recommend you watch "The Starch Solution," by Dr. John McDougall. Might change your mind about things. Might save your life.
@danhantheman I was a little overweight when I was younger, back when I was eating school lunches and pizza for dinner. But as soon as I stopped eating meat and dairy, I lost the excess fat and became much more fit, without stepping foot in a gym. I'm not skinny, I have muscle and a thin layer of fat on me, I'm at a healthy weight/healthy build. Low Carb diets are dangerous; they cause atherosclerosis at an early age and osteoporosis. Study at the traditional Inuit; perfect example.
@1imesub "low carb diets are dangerous, they cause atherosclerosis" u sound like the USDA man. study the inuit? they're the classic example of how carb works!! u just proved me right. when they get exposed to western civilization and eat carbs, they become OBESE. their blood work and health were great when they ate nothing but whale fat and meat in a 20/80 protein/fat ratio.
u just can't accept that some ppl can get healthier not eating grains but rather meat
"Sealed in Time: Ice Entombs an Eskimo Family for Five Centuries," by Albert Dekin, National Geographic, June 1987. Two women were found in the ice from five centuries ago, one in her 40's and another in her 20's. They had severe osteoporosis and atherosclerosis.
This is just one of many ancient Inuit discoveries, all pointing to the same conclusion. The diseases of Osteoporosis and Atherosclerosis were rampant among traditional Inuit populations.
@1imesub the article is called the Inuit Paradox, and it's been established pal. no one gives a fuck about two isolated women from 500 yrs ago, its irrelevant. "people like me know we're right". its called being a stubborn jackass, and yes, i believe that YOU believe you're right. since ive actually given more evidence than is necessary and your case is the Alaskan Inuit diet, which is strong evidence in support of Taubes/Paleo, you have no further arguments.
@danhantheman LOL, keep telling yourself what you wanna hear. Go get an ultrasound image taken of your coronary arteries and lets see how healthy you really are. Might be the wake up call you need.
And you're wrong about the Inuit. All of the bodies that have been autopsied show the same thing. They don't have as many heart attacks as Americans because of all the Omega 3's they eat, but atherosclerosis is rampant. The Inuit also have short lifespans and only grow to about 5' 4" tall.
@1imesub actually, i used to have severe fatty liver and very bad lipid profiles. i now have normal lipid levels, and great ratios. i wont even say im perfect but its 10x better than it used to be. ironically, i eat about the same meat as i used to, i simply eliminated 1500cal of carbs each day that i used to eat additionally lol. show me the link where Inuits have atherosclerosis and cardiovascular disease, u cant even find it.
read Inuit Paradox, i think u've been supporting my argument lol
@danhantheman Oh, now you want more evidence? Search youtube for "The Perils of Dairy" by Dr. John McDougall and skip ahead to 39:58. He discusses the National Geographic article I already mentioned plus another important study done on the Inuit back in the 70's. And yeah, same findings across the board.
Once you understand the mechanisms by which diseases like osteoporosis and coronary artery disease comes about, it becomes obvious why the Inuit are plagued by both.
@1imesub i actually agree homogenized dairy is no good. but not meat. and Mcdougall? ur best evidence is from an unknown guy who is listed under Quackwatch. if u've bothered to read Inuit Paradox u'd know they don't suffer from modern Western diseases.
i see u didn't respond to my last comment, i guess u do eat lots of "whole grain" refined carbs lol. prob too busy being angry that Dr. Oz admitted he follows low carb eh? lolol
@danhantheman You moron, Dr. McDougall didn't write the studies, he just discussed them in a power point. Are you really that stupid? Must be all the clogged arteries in your brain.
@1imesub i know its too difficult a concept for u to grasp but eating fat doesnt equal fattier arteries. i knew u cereal eating vegans love your vegs, but didn't know your brain was like a veg too lol.
u have nothing to say cuz unlike some other youtubers, i know what im talking about. and i dont advocate a one-size fits all diet. anyone who does is a quack. like Oz/Dean Ornish/mcdougall and the whole USDA panel, which is why this great country's health is going to shit
@1imesub but seriously, even tho u hate me and u won't change ur mind. swallow ur ego and tell ur fam to read the Paleo Solution by Robb Wolff. i am that confident that it works for OBESE ppl, that i would make a formal video apologizing to u IF it doesn't work for them in a few months. what've u got to lose? either satisfaction that ur right in a written/video form from me (and im a man of my words), OR your family's health. its a win win man, lets see other youtube fags make such a bet!
@danhantheman What are you talking about? I never said I hated you. You are completely wrong about health and nutrition though. Like I said, go see a cardiologist. Have your coronary arteries checked out. I bet you'll be surprised at how much plaque buildup you've accumulated as a result of your dietary choices.
@1imesub only one difference: no one is gonna listen to u outside of this forum. I'm a med student and will be aiming to be a practicing endocrine surgeon. i'll be advocating an organic low-carb diet to my patients. i can already feel guys like u being angry that I'll be preaching Taubes and Paleo Diets to patients lol. since u aren't struggling with ur weight, i wont be telling u about it anyways...gluck hatin on low-carb! someday u might need it when you're 50 and fat
@danhantheman LOL again, that's why the Japanese with the longest lifespans on the planet eat high carbohydrate diets rich in rice, fruits and vegetables.
The truth is right in your face and you still can't see it ;)
Oz is a fag, he's failed Oprah and he recommends a juice detox for the liver, juice containing massive fructose which 100% targets the liver and makes it fatty, causing insulin resistance and leading to obesity/diabetes
already loose 10 poiunds in 11 days no shit, this thing work but you have to train yourself and of course the cool baths that are killing me every morning hahahha, thanks all.
You should have put Dr.Oz's name on this video so a million viewer's would come here and see him shut up for a minute. Don't get me wrong, I like Oz, He just talks too much and doesn't always have all the information.
1. Find out your metabolic type. some people will do better on a plant based diet ( still inlcudes meat ), some people will do better on a meat based diet ( still includes plants ) and some people will be in the middle. Eat right for you type.
2. Eat when you are hungry, stop when you are satisfied
3. Always buy the best quality food you can. Organic, free-range (meat/eggs) and fresh foods are the best
if you've eaten high carbohydrates all your life and maintained a relatively good weight, then don't suddenly change to low carb. you metabolize carbs very well and by switching to a high fat diet you can slow down your digestion and metabolism, and then suffer the same low energy symptoms that obese ppl suffer from
@livinlowcarbman asians do. unfortunately i am an asian who does not and have struggled with my weight for a long time. its weird all the "clean" rice and grains i was consuming was killing my health, instead of the meat i was eating.
@livinlowcarbman It don^t matter if its a ptotein,fat or carb your body can & will convert to fat any excess calories you give it.Its a mechanism built on survival. As far as diabetes goes,a study in Holland involving 35,000 people concluded alcohol in moderation(a carb) can increase insulin sensitivity. Diabetes is caused often by weight gain & rest assured a steak & rib dinner can tally 2,000 calories,6 strips of bacon over 500 calories. If you take in more than what your body needs--Weight up
@danhantheman You say you will slow down your metabolism? That's exactly what you want. Slow metabolism=longer life. Fast hyper metabolism=shorter life.
@danhantheman I agree with you. I found it was best to slowly transition over to a low carb diet with the carbs you do get coming from tubers. I initally felt sluggish and had extreme carb cravings. Now I have no carb cravings and feel great.
I’m very worried about his theories. I went on this low carb, high fat diets that he preaches ( i ate lots of cheese) and now my cholesterol is high for the first time ever........
@cyprusxxx "High" cholesterol isn't a health problem. If your HDL is above 50 and triglycerides below 100, then you are in good shape since the small, dense and dangerous LDL is limited. I wouldn't dismiss high fat low carb just because your total cholesterol is considered "high."
it isnt a health problem? but my docter said that fat will fill in my arteries and i will get a heart attack when i get older, im 21. are u sayin he is wrong?
@livinlowcarbman additionally, getting a VAP test or other detailed blood analysis performed rather than a simple blood lipid test can detail the size of the LDL particles and the quantities of HDL-2 and vLDL, which provide a much more accurate picture of cardiovascular health.
@TerrorBlack Correct. I like the NMR Lipoprofile test to show the particle size of the LDL. There is more than one type of LDL...and that's never talked about.
@cyprusxxx Not to mention the new Atkins doesn't allow much more than 4 oz of cheese every day. I don't think Taubes' new book "why we get fat" advises a whole lot of dairy either. On the Atkins site dairy is above proteins, vegetables, and fruits on it's food pyramid. And you can slowly add more (mostly non-grain) carbohydrates as you get closer to a goal weight.
@cyprusxxx High HDL is good, and you also have to know that LDL comes in two forms: Type A and Type B. Type A is light and fluffy, and that is the type you want. It is the LDL which derives from a high-fat diet, and it is critical for neuron functions. Type B cholesterol, which you don't want, is small and dense and is the type that creates plaques in arteries, thereby starting heart disease. Type B comes only from a high-carb diet.
@MelkorHimself This is false. "Type B" does not come from carbohydrates. It comes from oxidized fats. whenever you heat/cook your food, you are oxidizing the fats in that food. If you are eating a low fat diet, the damage is minimized. If, however you're eating a high fat cooked diet, you are eating lots of bad LDL which builds dangerous plaques in the arteries. Do you cook your meat? If so, you're eating tons of bad LDL. Dairy is just as bad since it's been homogenized.
@1imesub also im willing to bet that by a whole grains diet, you're actually eating alot of whole grain breads, bran cereals or whole wheat pasta etc. if thats true, guess what: those are fined carbs. they're no good for anyone. so if u've been thin eating that shit, you're just a thin person. get over urself. ur not special or that healthy.
a real wake up call for high-carbers that Oz said himself he eats a low carb diet. watch 4:40 and on. this is the guy advocating america on the oprah show
Gary Taubes is what Galileo was to Copernicus. He has basically taken the discovery of scientists prior to him, who stated that insulin causes fat accumulation, and has made that ignored information known to the masses, and for his generosity, he is experiencing a backlash from those who uphold the prevailing orthodoxy of calories in vs. calories out. I guarantee you, that a generation from now, Taubes will be revered as a science revolutionary along with Atkins, Yudkin, and Lustig.
@Stonewalljackson7 People tend to underscore that because Taubes doesn't have any training in nutrition or medicine, and that this somehow discredits him. But he is not merely spouting his own ideas, he is articulating concepts from people who are highly educated in medicine and nutrition - but who have been ignored by the medical and dietary establishment because they go against prevailing nutritional orthodoxy (continued).
@alphacause yep, but he still has no training in medicine or nutrition, not enough to proclaim his version is gospel truth. His take on exercise is ludricrous.
Doctors have no training in nutrition. And why would you listen to Allopathic medicine. The only drive they have is profit. If you think that they care about your health then you are going to leave this earth quite soon
@Stonewalljackson7 Doctors don't study nutrition. Ever notice that doctors don't give dietary advice other than the usual "cut back on the calories," instead they prescribe medicine? That's because they study medicine, not nutrition... that's what the "M" in MD stands for
@Stonewalljackson7 starting your comment with "duh" puts you in a new category of dumb. Doctors are not required to study nutrition, or take nutrition classes in med school. You seem to know a lot about first year med students, what other classes are required that first year? Do you think that a doctor who got his/her MD in 1980 has up to date information regarding nutrition?
@barryman9000 you're in the old category of "stupid". Doctors ARE required to study nutritition in their first year. whether they are up to date is not what you stated.
@Stonewalljackson7 Haha, ZING! "Old category..." that was a good burn. Looks like we're both wrong. Doctors are NOT required to study nutrition in 70% of medical schools - during any year. However 30% of med schools require ONE nutrition class. The NIH argues "The amount of nutrition education in medical schools remains inadequate."
Also, I suggest you read Taubes book (it's in all libraries) or listen to his hour long talks on google video or youtube. The Larry King show is not the proper venue for his unorthodox theories. Actually they are not his theories. He documents over 100 years of studies that confirms his hypothesis. His hypothesis has not been stated in this interview so don't pre judge him. As far as exercise goes you have been brainwashed by the exercise indu$try
@Stonewalljackson7 (continued from previous response) Taubes gets much of the evidence to substantiate his claims, not only from doctors/researchers, but from long term studies done by missionaries/anthropologists, who have observed the deleterious effects of a diet rich in carbohydrates verses a diet with minimal carbohydrate, in various tribal people, and how the weight/health of such people, who eat minimal carbohydrates, changes as they adopt a more refined carbohydrate diet (continued).
@Stonewalljackson7 (continued from previous response) These types of population studies are the best types of studies, even better than what is done in the laboratory, because they are done for long stretches of times, which cannot be duplicated in a laboratory, and thus testify to the long term success and sustainability of one type of dietary regiment verses another. (continued)
@alphacause Oh yeh? did he study the Okinawans? The longest lived people on earth? Who coincidentally eat eighty percent carbs? Or the Mapauche Indians? Or the Tamuhara's? all have long term studies involving thousands of people who eat hi carb and have long healthy lives.
@Stonewalljackson7 Taubes didn't really "study" anyone, he analyzed data. There are more things to consider than just "carbs." Okinawan's sugar and fructose intake is a fraction of what American's and British have per year. They also ate mostly unrefined rice until the 1950's. Refined flour and rice were mainly for the wealthy until processing moved to the factories. Okinawans eat a lot of fresh, fatty fish, and fresh vegetables with their rice.
@barryman9000 I know exactly what the Pre-war Oki's ate, and of course it wasn't refined carbs, their diet consisted mostly of rice and sweet potatoes and vegetables, with small amounts of boiled pork and the Inland mountain Oki's pre war ate little fish.
@Stonewalljackson7 *Yawn* Again, you're not reading. The point is they ate very little sugar and fructose and very little (possibly no) refined carbohydrates of any kind. I think I answered this already.
@barryman9000 Sorry you're sleepy, maybe thats why you're not thinking straight. The point is not whether they ate candy and corn syrup, they ate absolutely NO refined carbs. The point is they ate over 80 percent carbs and lived the longest of any people. At the very least this proves that a hi carb low fat diet is NOT detrimental to health.
@Stonewalljackson7 Not sleepy, just bored. Your post doesn't make sense... the point is "they ate absolutely NO refined carbs?" Isn't that what I wrote directly above your post? Third times a charm. I'm sure there are plenty who can eat anything and remain healthy. Taubes even admits that it's probably the lack of sugar/fructose and refined carbs more than just "carbs." This doesn't "prove" anything, this is just an correlation. Something else in their diet could have kept them healthy.
@barryman9000 its your post that doesn't make any sense, you claim carbs are bad, then you change it to bad carbs, you say that indigenous people didn't live a long time, then you claim they do. At least you finally admit your hero says its probably bad carbs that are to blame, just as I have said all along.
@Stonewalljackson7 (continued from previous post) Furthermore, Taubes isn’t some uneducated man off of the street. He is a Harvard/Stanford educated journalist, whose academic background focused on science. He knows the proper methodologies behind good science, and what constitutes bad science. He makes a very persuasive case, in his book “Good Calories, Bad Calories”, that much of the science behind our current carbohydrate/low calorie guidelines is based on very bad science.
CONTINUATION: Logically I should have gained about one pound every other 3.5 days. But I did not. Since the vast majority of medical experts are telling us that the extra calories go as fat, then why did I gain weight? The question is therefore: Where did the extra calories go? Thanks.
Could you explain something to me? At the highest I have ever weighted (197 pounds), I kept eating over 3000 calories a day for months and months. Since I was very lazy at that time, I guess I was burning 2000 calories. With an extra 1000 calories a day,
Orange343434: Great discussions! But why would eating a high meat/fat diet be unhealthy? There's no evidence to support that. Actually there's evidence that high meat/fat diets are VERY healthy. Look at cultures who eat diets that are 90% meat/fat (Inuit, Massai, Greenland Eskimo). They have almost no cases of heart disease, diabetes or cancer.
@Stonewalljackson7 Indigenous people are going to have shorter lifespans than an industrialized group (largely because of medical advancements) but the people in the groups I mentioned lived long enough to get cancer, heart disease and diabetes - some lived to be 100. The counter arguments often fail to mention that the life expectancy data doesn't take into account the people's intro to a Western diet.
@Stonewalljackson7 Right... are you even reading my posts? Industrialization meant refined carbohydrates were EASIER to get, so Okinawan's were eating unrefined rice up until the 1950's.
Weil makes a good point. It's not the fat that cuases the weight gain, but that doesn't mean eating a high meat/fat diet is healthy even though you can lose weight.
@orange343434 All I know is my health has improved DRAMATICALLY eating a high-fat, adequate protein, low-carb diet...lipids, heart scan, blood sugar, A1c, everything!
livinlowcarbman, I think that's very possible, especially if you used to eat a typical diet high in processed carbs and sugar. And i agree it's better to cut out the unhealthy carbs instead of cutting out the fat while still eating high sugar/carbs.
For overall health i would still go with a diet of fresh veg, fruit, and whole grains, low in meat, and cut out the sugars. There's variations in what can be a healthy diet, imo, and of course activity level is important.
@orange343434 If that makes you feel good eating that way, then knock yourself out. But for me a very high-fat, adequate protein, low-carb diet saved my life when I was a 410-pound man on a one-way ticket to an early grave. I shed triple-digit weight and have AMAZING health today thanks to livin' la vida low-carb.
@orange343434 Keep in mind two possible states: one is you are trim and healthy and the other more probably is you are obese and suffering from metabolic syndrome. For the first, yes you can find a level of healthy carbs. For the second, you really need an about face. Cut out the carbs, find healthy meats and fats, and lose teh excess weight first. Then find your carb balance.
People don't seem to grasp that Taubes ISN'T contradicting "calories in-calories out", just that when we're over on the 'in', or under on the 'out', IT'S A -SYMPTOM- OF OBESITY, NOT A CAUSE.
Gary Taubes is right, low carb, natural fats diet is the only way to maintain a healthy weight. I've lost over 15 pounds in the last year just by cutting back on refined (= packaged) carbs and sugar.
Low carb high fat is the easiest way to loose weight without having to be hungry at all. Hormone-controlled weight loss is effective, painfree and gives you alot more then just weight loss. You get your health back.
I just saw a documentary on CBC Doc Zone (free online) titled "The Disappering Male" . It stated that the plastics in our society today disrupts "estrogen" which causes the body to store fat. It also interfers with fertility. A true eye opener and perhaps another link in answering the obesity debate.
Thanks for posting this, I was hoping someone "trusted" by the public would chime in on this! I found Gary Taubes by accident, am now on a low-carb plan, already losing and feeling wonderful!!!!! :)
you are right, some vegetables can be high in carbahydrate but that does not mean that they are not still 'by definition' whole foods. I f they are in their whole unrefined state then they are whole even if we're talking about a starchy potato.
#1 hormonal disturbance = water fluoridation... directly related to Hypothyrodism... which effects every aspect of your metabolism.. in addition is Aspartame and MSG... which is in thousands of our food and beverage products. We are what we eat... keep it simple, clean and pure..... it's the chemical additives causing most of our health problems.
Bottled water varies quite a bit. For example, Dasani, is bottled tap water from Brampton, Ontario, filtered 5 times. I could do the same thing with my Brita filter. Some bottled water from France or Italy has small amounts of naturally occuring fluoride and then some companies actually add fluoride to the bottled water. I chose to drink distilled as my first choice, as it has nothing in it. It tastes "crisp & clean". Once in a while I get flat Italian mineral water, just for the minerals.
Where does one pickup distilled water....local health food stores?? Also, I heard somewhere that distilled water is mineral free, which is supposedly a bad thing? Is this true, and if so, can it be off-set by a mineral supplement?
I'm in Canada as well so hopefully you R familiar with some of the stores I will mention. I buy gallon jugs at Food Basics -it is .99 cents each. It's sold almost any grocery store & drug store, "Shoppers Drug Mart" but why pay more. You're correct, it has nothing in it... no minerals, but from time to time I buy Evian, or an Italian mineral water. Also, minerals are in veggies and fruits, I haven't worried about it, but that is a personal choice to supplement or not. Google mineral contents
Actually, Taubes would agree with you somewhat, but most the impact of carbohydrate in the body varies according to the individual tolerance level. Just a tiny bit of carbs in my body sends my insulin skyrocketing...for others, it takes much more. That's what he was saying.
I agree. If you're overweight, becoming overweight, or have a history of those problems, it's likely you're insulin is chronically elevated -- a metabolic/endocrine disorder. The biggest marker of that being abdominal/visceral fat.
If you don't have those conditions it seems like you do fine on starchy root vegetables (like potatoes) and even rice and oats. But I suspect this works only if you're fit and active. And of course you'd still have to avoid Omega6 oils and processed fructose.
Well actually its the right carbs not necessarily low carb. Just cut out sugar, white bread, HFCS, processed foods and eat only organic and you will be thin.
I think for the most part you're right: going back to natural foods is a huge part of health. The reason some people get so fanatical about low carb is that, for whatever reason, we have a much greater sensitivity to the carbs in our diet than others. For those without the hormonal difficulties what you write works fine. For those like me, with PCOS or another hormonal condition, even relatively healthy, unprocessed carbs can prevent weight loss or even cause weight gain. We like having options.
so is the fat dude saying eating bad triggers chemical imbalances that make you fat? it sounds like he doesnt have scientific proof, just like in the 90s about fat being the cause of fat gain...
btw, can someone paste the link to the video in which gary taubes, mehmet oz, a female from the AHA and another male doctor discuss about nutrition/health? I saw that video but can't seem to find it now.
He's an amazing man I've had the privilege of interviewing twice and heard in person. He'll be at another obesity conference in April 2009 in Charleston, SC and look forward to hearing what he has to say next. The man is quite fit. :)
Dr. Weil is full of crap in that regard. Are Americans more fat and obese than Europeans because of there "genes". I guess people who excercise, start eating healier, and lose weight, are actually reprogramming their DNA. Whatever Dr. Weil.
I agree with you. I like Dr Weil's views on many issues, but this is just incorrect. He's leaving no room for a person's lack of discipline and laziness to be the CAUSE of their obesity. "That overeating and under-activity are not causes of obesity, but symptoms of that underlying disorder. That is, it's not that people eat too much and don't exercise because of some defect of will or some behavioral problem. It's that this is behavior that is controlled by a hormonal disturbance." boohoo robot
It comes down to statistics: things like a sedentary lifestyle and eating too much are correlated with weight gain. That means that these behavioral factors could be causing the weight gain, or that the genetic/hormonal factors that contribute to weight gain also cause inactivity and overeating. I have to admit that after seeing people eat insane amounts of food and not gain weight, while other people eat 500 calories a day and gain weight (if it's carbs) gives me pause.
We need DISCIPLINE to not OVEREAT? Are thinnies ALL more disciplined than fatties? Why donn't fatties get SATISFIED by the right amount of food?, or naturally raise their activity level if calories are higher? Thinnies do, & fatties want to be thinnies.Taubes' theory explains this. Why not -let- it explain? The diet works; that's gotta count for a lot. But thin folks want to look down on fatties.They prefer to ignore evidence & keep it a character issue: It make them the 'good guys'.
I know very few so called "thinnies" and "fatties" as you say. The type of people that you speak of that remain thin "automatically" are rare. All of the other people, other than obese, eat healthy meals and healthy portions, and may also exercise on a regular basis. The truth is that it's easier for some to loose weight than others, but the way that people look at food (mentally) is a huge factor. How many obese people in the U.S. love to eat their daily cheese, be honest. Cut that cheese.
I meant to say cut the cheese out of your diet. That's a discipline. How many obese people are presently cutting the cheese from their diet? If you have no rules to follow, or you break the rules, then you do indeed lack discipline. On the other hand it's wonderful to place blame elsewhere. So let's just sit sedately and eat some fries while waiting for the answer, because it can't be diet and exercise, that's just for "thinnies".
Cheese & fries, w/no hidden sugar in them, no ketchup on them, & consumed w/water instead of sugar drinks (ha, that's gonna happen!), satisfies appetite w/ less calories. The way people 'look at' food has a -cause-. The way they're -brought up- to look at food has a cause..in the FOOD itself. The best explanation is the one that can actually cause positive change,so perhaps we haven't found the best one yet, but telling people w/problems to not have problems has never worked & never will.
You don't know many people who eat what they have an appetite for, and remain thin? You don't know many people who are always dieting & exercising, and remain fat? Then you know much different people than I know.
that is true, my friend was thin (she is asian) a year later after coming to america and eating american food- she blew up so i told her to revert back to her mothers cooking and she lost weight back to the way she was.
The solution for me seems to have eliminated the refined foods and the sugar. I eat mostly nuts, veggies, apples and fish. I think the important FOR ME is to cut the stuff that limits the insulin response. I still have 10 pounds to lose. It still seems to me like an almost-impossible goal. Since I started this new way of eating, I lost 10 pounds in 6 days. Most of it came out as urine. Am I fat or is there too much water in my body?
Y'no what I think? I think that these genes are in everyone, a reminant from the "caveman" era. Where our early ancestors HAD to gorge on foods to stay alive. Meals didn't come every day, and storing the fat for later use is an amazing life saving mechinism. However, in the 21ST Century, we do not have to hunt down our food. We no longer have to chase a mammoth at 6:00am without breakfast. We can go to the fridge, or a fastfood chain. But thoes genes are still there. They didn't just dissappear!
People differ genetically, so don't dismiss these out of hand. I guess you definitely would not argue that a redhead also "has the genes that make the skin black and the hair black". It's been known for years that indeed people react very differently to an infusion of carbohydrates: some almost don't notice it while others demonstrably pour vast amounts of insulin out into their bloodstream. That's why - as I'm sure Taubes would agree - not all humans are affected negatively by our modern diet.
Thank you for posting this though - I'm reading the Diet Delusion right now and it's basically blowing my mind about how much we've been lied to by prominent health organisations and government organisations. Taubes to me, deserves all the awards we can give him for his meticulous research and for writing these books.
Whether you realize it or not, Dr. Weil has lost a considerable amount of weight since this appearance on Larry King last year--and he did it on a LOW-CARB diet! :)
Find what works for you and do it. That's a lesson we can all live with.
livinlowcarbman 1 month ago
It's hilarious to me that all of you comment as if you actually know anything. None of you are doctors or researchers, you are simply people who read a little, or heard a little, Gary Taubes, or Ornish, and now your commenting as if you grasp anything at all, which none of us do, me included. So let's all either start siting sources or shut the fuck up. It's not as simple as this works and this doesn't, individual differences are involved and broad generalizing is dangerous.
machesterman83 1 month ago
Did not know the extent of the situation in the diet area. So many tips, advise & consulting that one needs to be wary of the final advice. Good one!
SaludesHealth 4 months ago
and not genetics make you fat but too much food does. and there is no specific food that makes us fat only an excess of calories can do that. that's why you can lose as much weight as you want consuming nothing but soda and junk food.
sebbbi91 4 months ago
controlling insulin is nonsense because protein also raise insulin not only carbs. and additionally saturated fat increases the insulin response. therefore his main argument about controlling insulin is bs. people should track their food intake and determine the number of calories at which they maintain weight and simply subtract 500-800 to lose 1-1.5 lbs per week. there is no need to remove carbs completely to lose weight. get all essential fats, enough fiber and protein and all your micros.
sebbbi91 4 months ago
None if this is true. The truth is, that fat people have no will power. I've seen it over and over. They shovel food into their mouth and eat too much. Their eyes glaze over and they go into a trance while eating. It is called FOOD ADDICTION.
Entropy56 5 months ago
Hi! Have you considered intellectus 424 diet (search on google)? Ive heard some awesome things about it and my cooworker lost lots of weight with it.
uicreation 5 months ago
You're fat because of genes... Yeah, I believe that
1imesub 6 months ago
@1imesub also historically the french and southern asians were known to be thin based on a higher unrefined carb diet than Western societies. sadly, they too are experiencing rising obesity as refined grain products, sugar/high carb processed snacks are introduced to their society. from where? from the USA.
the USDA is profiting hugely from our export of grain/corn based products, hence they have every reason to support evidence in favor of carbs
danhantheman 6 months ago
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1imesub 6 months ago
@danhantheman I came off a little harsh on that last comment so I removed it (didn't want to hurt your feelings).
You are oversimplifying/overgeneralizing the facts though. Many ethnic populations are being led astray by the processed and meat and dairy heavy diets of Americans. You also have to take into account that many of these people are smoking more cigarettes and riding around in cars now instead of riding bikes for exercise. To blame obesity on genetics is plain ignorance.
1imesub 6 months ago
@1imesub less activity can make u fat, but to say modern cars is the cause of OBESITY (i.e. 50lbs overweight).
do your family members a favor, they love meat/dairy. tell them to cut their carbs down and follow a Paleo Diet, i promise u they will rejuvenate their health in a few months. let them decide.
also you've given zero evidence but vast generalizations whereas what ive said im not anecdoting based "on my family members". just cuz ur not carb sensitive doesnt mean the world is like u
danhantheman 6 months ago
Okay... so where does this "hormonal imbalance" come from? If carbohydrates are so bad, then why are billions of Asians lean and healthy on a HIGH CARB diet of rice and vegetables? Makes no sense...
1imesub 6 months ago
@1imesub because most asians evolved as agricultural societies whereas many ppl from other areas of the world were still primarily hunter-gatherer societies as of 10-20,000 yrs ago. think harder pal, just cuz it make's no sense to u doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.
also fructose is metabolized rapidly w/o control in the liver via De Novo Lipogenesis INTO triglycerides. hence excess fructose = excess fat. whereas excess dietary fat is released well under control by the liver
danhantheman 6 months ago
@danhantheman You idiot, carbohydrates don't make you fat. There are living examples all around you, I'm one of them. I have family members who are obese; eat dairy and meat every day. I am in great shape though on a high carbohydrate plant based diet. Chinese Shaolin warriors are incredibly acrobatic and strong thanks to a high carbohydrate vegetarian diet. There are billions of examples of this, take off the blinders! Hello?
1imesub 6 months ago
@1imesub also just cuz ur not fat doesnt mean ur that healthy either. not to be harsh, but lots of thin ppl suffer from depression and one day find our they have cancer. these are all metabolically related processes, and one of the major suspected causes is chronic ingestion of high GI/refined carbs and sugars, esp the latter in cancer. so dont think ur in the clear yet just cuz ur not fat, u COULDNT GET FAT if u tried. stop tryin to be dogmatic if u dont know the other side
danhantheman 6 months ago
@danhantheman whereas i used to weigh 280lbs as a teen. i used to box, activity or metabolism were never issues. i learned about Taubes + Paleo Diet, lost 120lbs and kept it off with ease following an almost no carb diet. i am now 28. i used to follow the whole grains, heart healthy USDA diet and it nearly made me diabetic, caused me chronic gut/immune system probs.
so yeah we're all different, if ur thin, ur thin. but if ur obese like half of americans, mind as well give Taubes a chance
danhantheman 6 months ago
@danhantheman I'm not saying a low carb diet won't make you lose weight, I'm saying it's unnatural and dangerous. I don't advocate eating refined grains like white flower, but rice and corn are staples in my diet. I will occasionally eat gluten containing grains in sprouted form. Cultures who consume high protein diets consistently suffer from atherosclerosis and osteoporosis. If you are eating oxidized fats, in any form, you are on the fast track to heart disease. No animal products, no oils.
1imesub 6 months ago
@1imesub i dont understand why ppl like u are so stubborn. if u ve never been obese or worked with them in a clinic, u rly aren't in a position to dictate what obese ppl should eat. we've cut down our fat steadily since the 80's to eat a whole grains diet like the USDA says, and our obesity has been directly moving up.
get off ur stubborn ass, and realize ur one of the luckier ones who's not fat eating high carbs. while ur family isn't. do everyone a favor and tell them about the paleo diet
danhantheman 6 months ago
@danhantheman People like me know we're right. That's why we don't appreciate these "low carb" lowlifes lying to people about nutrition. If you want to be healthy, cut meat and dairy out of your diet.
Watch "Make Yourself Heart Attack Proof," by Dr. Esselstyn. It's free on youtube and well worth your time. If you still believe grains are bad for your health, I recommend you watch "The Starch Solution," by Dr. John McDougall. Might change your mind about things. Might save your life.
1imesub 6 months ago
@danhantheman I was a little overweight when I was younger, back when I was eating school lunches and pizza for dinner. But as soon as I stopped eating meat and dairy, I lost the excess fat and became much more fit, without stepping foot in a gym. I'm not skinny, I have muscle and a thin layer of fat on me, I'm at a healthy weight/healthy build. Low Carb diets are dangerous; they cause atherosclerosis at an early age and osteoporosis. Study at the traditional Inuit; perfect example.
1imesub 6 months ago
@1imesub "low carb diets are dangerous, they cause atherosclerosis" u sound like the USDA man. study the inuit? they're the classic example of how carb works!! u just proved me right. when they get exposed to western civilization and eat carbs, they become OBESE. their blood work and health were great when they ate nothing but whale fat and meat in a 20/80 protein/fat ratio.
u just can't accept that some ppl can get healthier not eating grains but rather meat
danhantheman 6 months ago
@danhantheman Not so fast...
"Sealed in Time: Ice Entombs an Eskimo Family for Five Centuries," by Albert Dekin, National Geographic, June 1987. Two women were found in the ice from five centuries ago, one in her 40's and another in her 20's. They had severe osteoporosis and atherosclerosis.
This is just one of many ancient Inuit discoveries, all pointing to the same conclusion. The diseases of Osteoporosis and Atherosclerosis were rampant among traditional Inuit populations.
1imesub 6 months ago
@1imesub the article is called the Inuit Paradox, and it's been established pal. no one gives a fuck about two isolated women from 500 yrs ago, its irrelevant. "people like me know we're right". its called being a stubborn jackass, and yes, i believe that YOU believe you're right. since ive actually given more evidence than is necessary and your case is the Alaskan Inuit diet, which is strong evidence in support of Taubes/Paleo, you have no further arguments.
danhantheman 6 months ago
@danhantheman LOL, keep telling yourself what you wanna hear. Go get an ultrasound image taken of your coronary arteries and lets see how healthy you really are. Might be the wake up call you need.
And you're wrong about the Inuit. All of the bodies that have been autopsied show the same thing. They don't have as many heart attacks as Americans because of all the Omega 3's they eat, but atherosclerosis is rampant. The Inuit also have short lifespans and only grow to about 5' 4" tall.
1imesub 6 months ago
@1imesub actually, i used to have severe fatty liver and very bad lipid profiles. i now have normal lipid levels, and great ratios. i wont even say im perfect but its 10x better than it used to be. ironically, i eat about the same meat as i used to, i simply eliminated 1500cal of carbs each day that i used to eat additionally lol. show me the link where Inuits have atherosclerosis and cardiovascular disease, u cant even find it.
read Inuit Paradox, i think u've been supporting my argument lol
danhantheman 6 months ago
@danhantheman Oh, now you want more evidence? Search youtube for "The Perils of Dairy" by Dr. John McDougall and skip ahead to 39:58. He discusses the National Geographic article I already mentioned plus another important study done on the Inuit back in the 70's. And yeah, same findings across the board.
Once you understand the mechanisms by which diseases like osteoporosis and coronary artery disease comes about, it becomes obvious why the Inuit are plagued by both.
1imesub 6 months ago
@1imesub i actually agree homogenized dairy is no good. but not meat. and Mcdougall? ur best evidence is from an unknown guy who is listed under Quackwatch. if u've bothered to read Inuit Paradox u'd know they don't suffer from modern Western diseases.
i see u didn't respond to my last comment, i guess u do eat lots of "whole grain" refined carbs lol. prob too busy being angry that Dr. Oz admitted he follows low carb eh? lolol
danhantheman 6 months ago
@danhantheman You moron, Dr. McDougall didn't write the studies, he just discussed them in a power point. Are you really that stupid? Must be all the clogged arteries in your brain.
1imesub 6 months ago
@1imesub i know its too difficult a concept for u to grasp but eating fat doesnt equal fattier arteries. i knew u cereal eating vegans love your vegs, but didn't know your brain was like a veg too lol.
u have nothing to say cuz unlike some other youtubers, i know what im talking about. and i dont advocate a one-size fits all diet. anyone who does is a quack. like Oz/Dean Ornish/mcdougall and the whole USDA panel, which is why this great country's health is going to shit
danhantheman 6 months ago
@1imesub but seriously, even tho u hate me and u won't change ur mind. swallow ur ego and tell ur fam to read the Paleo Solution by Robb Wolff. i am that confident that it works for OBESE ppl, that i would make a formal video apologizing to u IF it doesn't work for them in a few months. what've u got to lose? either satisfaction that ur right in a written/video form from me (and im a man of my words), OR your family's health. its a win win man, lets see other youtube fags make such a bet!
danhantheman 6 months ago
@danhantheman What are you talking about? I never said I hated you. You are completely wrong about health and nutrition though. Like I said, go see a cardiologist. Have your coronary arteries checked out. I bet you'll be surprised at how much plaque buildup you've accumulated as a result of your dietary choices.
1imesub 6 months ago
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danhantheman 6 months ago
@1imesub only one difference: no one is gonna listen to u outside of this forum. I'm a med student and will be aiming to be a practicing endocrine surgeon. i'll be advocating an organic low-carb diet to my patients. i can already feel guys like u being angry that I'll be preaching Taubes and Paleo Diets to patients lol. since u aren't struggling with ur weight, i wont be telling u about it anyways...gluck hatin on low-carb! someday u might need it when you're 50 and fat
danhantheman 6 months ago
@danhantheman LOL again, that's why the Japanese with the longest lifespans on the planet eat high carbohydrate diets rich in rice, fruits and vegetables.
The truth is right in your face and you still can't see it ;)
1imesub 6 months ago
There are 2/4 experts on this show: Taubes and Weil, the other two are noobs
danhantheman 6 months ago
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danhantheman 6 months ago
Oz is a fag, he's failed Oprah and he recommends a juice detox for the liver, juice containing massive fructose which 100% targets the liver and makes it fatty, causing insulin resistance and leading to obesity/diabetes
danhantheman 6 months ago
@danhantheman Excess fat in the bloodstream causes insulin resistance, not fructose...
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ScarofKenshin 7 months ago
already loose 10 poiunds in 11 days no shit, this thing work but you have to train yourself and of course the cool baths that are killing me every morning hahahha, thanks all.
animejoao 7 months ago
You should have put Dr.Oz's name on this video so a million viewer's would come here and see him shut up for a minute. Don't get me wrong, I like Oz, He just talks too much and doesn't always have all the information.
surfmcgoogler 7 months ago
Here's a question, where can I get a VAP and find out where I can get info on my HDL and LDL?
auron130 9 months ago
@auron130 Just Google VAP or NMR LipoProfile test and you'll find info on it. Your doctor should be able to run either of these tests for you.
livinlowcarbman 9 months ago
i'm going to mc donalds, see ya!
TheRedtaz 9 months ago
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4. Stay well hydrated. bodyweight (kg) x 0.033. That calculation will tell you how much YOU need to drink. Increase water intake with activity.
MrBabo91 10 months ago
its simple
1. Find out your metabolic type. some people will do better on a plant based diet ( still inlcudes meat ), some people will do better on a meat based diet ( still includes plants ) and some people will be in the middle. Eat right for you type.
2. Eat when you are hungry, stop when you are satisfied
3. Always buy the best quality food you can. Organic, free-range (meat/eggs) and fresh foods are the best
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FatReleaseSystem 10 months ago
haha i love how dr oz was swept aside in this clip
WanderleiCornell 10 months ago
if you've eaten high carbohydrates all your life and maintained a relatively good weight, then don't suddenly change to low carb. you metabolize carbs very well and by switching to a high fat diet you can slow down your digestion and metabolism, and then suffer the same low energy symptoms that obese ppl suffer from
danhantheman 1 year ago
@danhantheman Sadly, most people don't metabolize carbohydrates very well which is why obesity and diabetes run rampant.
livinlowcarbman 1 year ago
@livinlowcarbman asians do. unfortunately i am an asian who does not and have struggled with my weight for a long time. its weird all the "clean" rice and grains i was consuming was killing my health, instead of the meat i was eating.
danhantheman 1 year ago
@livinlowcarbman FULLY backed and on point observation
btownshreds1 7 months ago
@livinlowcarbman It don^t matter if its a ptotein,fat or carb your body can & will convert to fat any excess calories you give it.Its a mechanism built on survival. As far as diabetes goes,a study in Holland involving 35,000 people concluded alcohol in moderation(a carb) can increase insulin sensitivity. Diabetes is caused often by weight gain & rest assured a steak & rib dinner can tally 2,000 calories,6 strips of bacon over 500 calories. If you take in more than what your body needs--Weight up
sumbarine 6 months ago
@danhantheman You say you will slow down your metabolism? That's exactly what you want. Slow metabolism=longer life. Fast hyper metabolism=shorter life.
keithallenlaw 11 months ago
@keithallenlaw not if your health is shit. your metabolism is what it is genetically based on a healthy diet and normal weight.
danhantheman 11 months ago
@danhantheman I agree with you. I found it was best to slowly transition over to a low carb diet with the carbs you do get coming from tubers. I initally felt sluggish and had extreme carb cravings. Now I have no carb cravings and feel great.
sclaysdharma 10 months ago
What a pile of garbage. Workout properly = lose weight. Bald dumbass.
SavedByGraceAdam 1 year ago
I’m very worried about his theories. I went on this low carb, high fat diets that he preaches ( i ate lots of cheese) and now my cholesterol is high for the first time ever........
cyprusxxx 1 year ago
@cyprusxxx "High" cholesterol isn't a health problem. If your HDL is above 50 and triglycerides below 100, then you are in good shape since the small, dense and dangerous LDL is limited. I wouldn't dismiss high fat low carb just because your total cholesterol is considered "high."
livinlowcarbman 1 year ago 2
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it isnt a health problem? but my docter said that fat will fill in my arteries and i will get a heart attack when i get older, im 21. are u sayin he is wrong?
cyprusxxx 1 year ago
@livinlowcarbman additionally, getting a VAP test or other detailed blood analysis performed rather than a simple blood lipid test can detail the size of the LDL particles and the quantities of HDL-2 and vLDL, which provide a much more accurate picture of cardiovascular health.
TerrorBlack 1 year ago
@TerrorBlack Correct. I like the NMR Lipoprofile test to show the particle size of the LDL. There is more than one type of LDL...and that's never talked about.
livinlowcarbman 1 year ago
@cyprusxxx You need to have a VAP Cholesterol test done. If you have a doctor that just test the ratios,. You need a new one. *drop the dairy
jamiecaporosso 1 year ago
@cyprusxxx Not to mention the new Atkins doesn't allow much more than 4 oz of cheese every day. I don't think Taubes' new book "why we get fat" advises a whole lot of dairy either. On the Atkins site dairy is above proteins, vegetables, and fruits on it's food pyramid. And you can slowly add more (mostly non-grain) carbohydrates as you get closer to a goal weight.
XxPnuemaxX 1 year ago
@cyprusxxx High HDL is good, and you also have to know that LDL comes in two forms: Type A and Type B. Type A is light and fluffy, and that is the type you want. It is the LDL which derives from a high-fat diet, and it is critical for neuron functions. Type B cholesterol, which you don't want, is small and dense and is the type that creates plaques in arteries, thereby starting heart disease. Type B comes only from a high-carb diet.
MelkorHimself 9 months ago
@MelkorHimself This is false. "Type B" does not come from carbohydrates. It comes from oxidized fats. whenever you heat/cook your food, you are oxidizing the fats in that food. If you are eating a low fat diet, the damage is minimized. If, however you're eating a high fat cooked diet, you are eating lots of bad LDL which builds dangerous plaques in the arteries. Do you cook your meat? If so, you're eating tons of bad LDL. Dairy is just as bad since it's been homogenized.
1imesub 6 months ago
@1imesub also im willing to bet that by a whole grains diet, you're actually eating alot of whole grain breads, bran cereals or whole wheat pasta etc. if thats true, guess what: those are fined carbs. they're no good for anyone. so if u've been thin eating that shit, you're just a thin person. get over urself. ur not special or that healthy.
a real wake up call for high-carbers that Oz said himself he eats a low carb diet. watch 4:40 and on. this is the guy advocating america on the oprah show
danhantheman 6 months ago
processed(boiled and solvent treated) fats are also bad, fresh fat good.
PsychedelicSexDream 1 year ago
love how Weils cuts into Oz's ridiculous comment about how he too eats a low-carb diet.
he really got it , and he explained it so well, brilliant.
zaaz369 1 year ago
Gary Taubes is what Galileo was to Copernicus. He has basically taken the discovery of scientists prior to him, who stated that insulin causes fat accumulation, and has made that ignored information known to the masses, and for his generosity, he is experiencing a backlash from those who uphold the prevailing orthodoxy of calories in vs. calories out. I guarantee you, that a generation from now, Taubes will be revered as a science revolutionary along with Atkins, Yudkin, and Lustig.
alphacause 1 year ago 2
@alphacause yeh, all that and he doesn't even have ANY training in medicine or nutrition!
Stonewalljackson7 1 year ago
@Stonewalljackson7 People tend to underscore that because Taubes doesn't have any training in nutrition or medicine, and that this somehow discredits him. But he is not merely spouting his own ideas, he is articulating concepts from people who are highly educated in medicine and nutrition - but who have been ignored by the medical and dietary establishment because they go against prevailing nutritional orthodoxy (continued).
alphacause 1 year ago
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alphacause 1 year ago
@alphacause yep, but he still has no training in medicine or nutrition, not enough to proclaim his version is gospel truth. His take on exercise is ludricrous.
Stonewalljackson7 1 year ago
@Stonewalljackson7
Doctors have no training in nutrition. And why would you listen to Allopathic medicine. The only drive they have is profit. If you think that they care about your health then you are going to leave this earth quite soon
canaan1967 1 year ago
@canaan1967 Doctors do have some training in nutrition
Stonewalljackson7 1 year ago
@Stonewalljackson7 Doctors don't study nutrition. Ever notice that doctors don't give dietary advice other than the usual "cut back on the calories," instead they prescribe medicine? That's because they study medicine, not nutrition... that's what the "M" in MD stands for
barryman9000 1 year ago
@barryman9000 duh, they take a lot of nutrition classes in their first year.
Stonewalljackson7 1 year ago
@Stonewalljackson7 starting your comment with "duh" puts you in a new category of dumb. Doctors are not required to study nutrition, or take nutrition classes in med school. You seem to know a lot about first year med students, what other classes are required that first year? Do you think that a doctor who got his/her MD in 1980 has up to date information regarding nutrition?
barryman9000 1 year ago
@barryman9000 you're in the old category of "stupid". Doctors ARE required to study nutritition in their first year. whether they are up to date is not what you stated.
Stonewalljackson7 1 year ago
@Stonewalljackson7 Haha, ZING! "Old category..." that was a good burn. Looks like we're both wrong. Doctors are NOT required to study nutrition in 70% of medical schools - during any year. However 30% of med schools require ONE nutrition class. The NIH argues "The amount of nutrition education in medical schools remains inadequate."
barryman9000 1 year ago
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Also, I suggest you read Taubes book (it's in all libraries) or listen to his hour long talks on google video or youtube. The Larry King show is not the proper venue for his unorthodox theories. Actually they are not his theories. He documents over 100 years of studies that confirms his hypothesis. His hypothesis has not been stated in this interview so don't pre judge him. As far as exercise goes you have been brainwashed by the exercise indu$try
canaan1967 1 year ago
@canaan1967 As far as exercise goes, I do minimal amounts to stay in shape and pay no attention to the exercise industry or this nut.
Stonewalljackson7 1 year ago
@Stonewalljackson7 (continued from previous response) Taubes gets much of the evidence to substantiate his claims, not only from doctors/researchers, but from long term studies done by missionaries/anthropologists, who have observed the deleterious effects of a diet rich in carbohydrates verses a diet with minimal carbohydrate, in various tribal people, and how the weight/health of such people, who eat minimal carbohydrates, changes as they adopt a more refined carbohydrate diet (continued).
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@Stonewalljackson7 (continued from previous response) These types of population studies are the best types of studies, even better than what is done in the laboratory, because they are done for long stretches of times, which cannot be duplicated in a laboratory, and thus testify to the long term success and sustainability of one type of dietary regiment verses another. (continued)
alphacause 1 year ago
@alphacause Oh yeh? did he study the Okinawans? The longest lived people on earth? Who coincidentally eat eighty percent carbs? Or the Mapauche Indians? Or the Tamuhara's? all have long term studies involving thousands of people who eat hi carb and have long healthy lives.
Stonewalljackson7 1 year ago
@Stonewalljackson7 Taubes didn't really "study" anyone, he analyzed data. There are more things to consider than just "carbs." Okinawan's sugar and fructose intake is a fraction of what American's and British have per year. They also ate mostly unrefined rice until the 1950's. Refined flour and rice were mainly for the wealthy until processing moved to the factories. Okinawans eat a lot of fresh, fatty fish, and fresh vegetables with their rice.
barryman9000 1 year ago
@barryman9000 I know exactly what the Pre-war Oki's ate, and of course it wasn't refined carbs, their diet consisted mostly of rice and sweet potatoes and vegetables, with small amounts of boiled pork and the Inland mountain Oki's pre war ate little fish.
Stonewalljackson7 1 year ago
@Stonewalljackson7 *Yawn* Again, you're not reading. The point is they ate very little sugar and fructose and very little (possibly no) refined carbohydrates of any kind. I think I answered this already.
barryman9000 1 year ago
@barryman9000 Sorry you're sleepy, maybe thats why you're not thinking straight. The point is not whether they ate candy and corn syrup, they ate absolutely NO refined carbs. The point is they ate over 80 percent carbs and lived the longest of any people. At the very least this proves that a hi carb low fat diet is NOT detrimental to health.
Stonewalljackson7 1 year ago
@Stonewalljackson7 Not sleepy, just bored. Your post doesn't make sense... the point is "they ate absolutely NO refined carbs?" Isn't that what I wrote directly above your post? Third times a charm. I'm sure there are plenty who can eat anything and remain healthy. Taubes even admits that it's probably the lack of sugar/fructose and refined carbs more than just "carbs." This doesn't "prove" anything, this is just an correlation. Something else in their diet could have kept them healthy.
barryman9000 1 year ago
@barryman9000 its your post that doesn't make any sense, you claim carbs are bad, then you change it to bad carbs, you say that indigenous people didn't live a long time, then you claim they do. At least you finally admit your hero says its probably bad carbs that are to blame, just as I have said all along.
Stonewalljackson7 1 year ago
@Stonewalljackson7 (continued from previous post) Furthermore, Taubes isn’t some uneducated man off of the street. He is a Harvard/Stanford educated journalist, whose academic background focused on science. He knows the proper methodologies behind good science, and what constitutes bad science. He makes a very persuasive case, in his book “Good Calories, Bad Calories”, that much of the science behind our current carbohydrate/low calorie guidelines is based on very bad science.
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nullquible90 1 year ago
CONTINUATION: Logically I should have gained about one pound every other 3.5 days. But I did not. Since the vast majority of medical experts are telling us that the extra calories go as fat, then why did I gain weight? The question is therefore: Where did the extra calories go? Thanks.
Forsure3333 1 year ago
Could you explain something to me? At the highest I have ever weighted (197 pounds), I kept eating over 3000 calories a day for months and months. Since I was very lazy at that time, I guess I was burning 2000 calories. With an extra 1000 calories a day,
Forsure3333 1 year ago
Orange343434: Great discussions! But why would eating a high meat/fat diet be unhealthy? There's no evidence to support that. Actually there's evidence that high meat/fat diets are VERY healthy. Look at cultures who eat diets that are 90% meat/fat (Inuit, Massai, Greenland Eskimo). They have almost no cases of heart disease, diabetes or cancer.
barryman9000 1 year ago
@barryman9000 Cause they don't live long enough to get cancer and heart disease.
Stonewalljackson7 1 year ago
@Stonewalljackson7 Indigenous people are going to have shorter lifespans than an industrialized group (largely because of medical advancements) but the people in the groups I mentioned lived long enough to get cancer, heart disease and diabetes - some lived to be 100. The counter arguments often fail to mention that the life expectancy data doesn't take into account the people's intro to a Western diet.
barryman9000 1 year ago
@barryman9000 The Oki's weren't industrialized and were very poor, yet managed to outlive ANY industrialized group
Stonewalljackson7 1 year ago
@Stonewalljackson7 Right... are you even reading my posts? Industrialization meant refined carbohydrates were EASIER to get, so Okinawan's were eating unrefined rice up until the 1950's.
barryman9000 1 year ago
Weil makes a good point. It's not the fat that cuases the weight gain, but that doesn't mean eating a high meat/fat diet is healthy even though you can lose weight.
Cut out the sugar and unhealthy processed foods.
orange343434 1 year ago
@orange343434 All I know is my health has improved DRAMATICALLY eating a high-fat, adequate protein, low-carb diet...lipids, heart scan, blood sugar, A1c, everything!
livinlowcarbman 1 year ago
livinlowcarbman, I think that's very possible, especially if you used to eat a typical diet high in processed carbs and sugar. And i agree it's better to cut out the unhealthy carbs instead of cutting out the fat while still eating high sugar/carbs.
For overall health i would still go with a diet of fresh veg, fruit, and whole grains, low in meat, and cut out the sugars. There's variations in what can be a healthy diet, imo, and of course activity level is important.
orange343434 1 year ago
@orange343434 If that makes you feel good eating that way, then knock yourself out. But for me a very high-fat, adequate protein, low-carb diet saved my life when I was a 410-pound man on a one-way ticket to an early grave. I shed triple-digit weight and have AMAZING health today thanks to livin' la vida low-carb.
livinlowcarbman 1 year ago
@orange343434 Keep in mind two possible states: one is you are trim and healthy and the other more probably is you are obese and suffering from metabolic syndrome. For the first, yes you can find a level of healthy carbs. For the second, you really need an about face. Cut out the carbs, find healthy meats and fats, and lose teh excess weight first. Then find your carb balance.
M3nac3r 1 year ago
@orange343434 to many phytates in Whole grains. Leaching your vitamins. Not to mention the Gluten and Lectin. :)
jamiecaporosso 1 year ago
The will not to overeat is not will but properly functioning leptin receptors.
vooooom 1 year ago
People don't seem to grasp that Taubes ISN'T contradicting "calories in-calories out", just that when we're over on the 'in', or under on the 'out', IT'S A -SYMPTOM- OF OBESITY, NOT A CAUSE.
lazur1 1 year ago
Surprising, but very cool. A lot of people like Dr. Weil.
WashingtonBeUpInThis 1 year ago
Gary Taubes is right, low carb, natural fats diet is the only way to maintain a healthy weight. I've lost over 15 pounds in the last year just by cutting back on refined (= packaged) carbs and sugar.
mycroftc 2 years ago
GREAT JOB!!! Keep it up. ;)
livinlowcarbman 2 years ago
Low carb high fat is the easiest way to loose weight without having to be hungry at all. Hormone-controlled weight loss is effective, painfree and gives you alot more then just weight loss. You get your health back.
LCHF is really big in Sweden.
HogbergPhotography 2 years ago 3
And now new evidence is showing that it doesn't cause heart disease, despite the former concensus
gtw1983 1 year ago
I'm glad Weil is coming around on this!
arloj 2 years ago 3
I just saw a documentary on CBC Doc Zone (free online) titled "The Disappering Male" . It stated that the plastics in our society today disrupts "estrogen" which causes the body to store fat. It also interfers with fertility. A true eye opener and perhaps another link in answering the obesity debate.
DianeDi 2 years ago 2
Thanks for posting this, I was hoping someone "trusted" by the public would chime in on this! I found Gary Taubes by accident, am now on a low-carb plan, already losing and feeling wonderful!!!!! :)
Clarion13 2 years ago 7
Clarion13, keep up the great work on your low-carb lifestyle!
livinlowcarbman 2 years ago
The presenter pisses me off, let the experts speak instead of shouting out false converse theories!
MattRadioheadhead 2 years ago
It is very simple, eat whole foods and cut out starches, sugars and flour.
xxmonickkkkaxx 2 years ago 12
@xxmonickkkkaxx
People mistake whole foods for vegetables. Vegetables are high in carbohydrates.
canaan1967 1 year ago
@canaan1967
you are right, some vegetables can be high in carbahydrate but that does not mean that they are not still 'by definition' whole foods. I f they are in their whole unrefined state then they are whole even if we're talking about a starchy potato.
rich0292 1 year ago
#1 hormonal disturbance = water fluoridation... directly related to Hypothyrodism... which effects every aspect of your metabolism.. in addition is Aspartame and MSG... which is in thousands of our food and beverage products. We are what we eat... keep it simple, clean and pure..... it's the chemical additives causing most of our health problems.
DianeDi 2 years ago 2
Does bottled water contain flouride?
guitarguy10000 2 years ago
Bottled water varies quite a bit. For example, Dasani, is bottled tap water from Brampton, Ontario, filtered 5 times. I could do the same thing with my Brita filter. Some bottled water from France or Italy has small amounts of naturally occuring fluoride and then some companies actually add fluoride to the bottled water. I chose to drink distilled as my first choice, as it has nothing in it. It tastes "crisp & clean". Once in a while I get flat Italian mineral water, just for the minerals.
DianeDi 2 years ago 2
If you are interested in the truth about fluoride watch this clip - newly released ...
Professional Perspectives on Water Fluoridation
watch?v=FGcQqgBRTIQ
DianeDi 2 years ago
Thanks for the response.
Where does one pickup distilled water....local health food stores?? Also, I heard somewhere that distilled water is mineral free, which is supposedly a bad thing? Is this true, and if so, can it be off-set by a mineral supplement?
guitarguy10000 2 years ago
I'm in Canada as well so hopefully you R familiar with some of the stores I will mention. I buy gallon jugs at Food Basics -it is .99 cents each. It's sold almost any grocery store & drug store, "Shoppers Drug Mart" but why pay more. You're correct, it has nothing in it... no minerals, but from time to time I buy Evian, or an Italian mineral water. Also, minerals are in veggies and fruits, I haven't worried about it, but that is a personal choice to supplement or not. Google mineral contents
DianeDi 2 years ago
Thanks for the information again. I'll look into distilled water as an alternative.
guitarguy10000 2 years ago
We don't get our minerals from the minerals in water..we get Them almost exclusively from fruits and vegetable.
lazur1 1 year ago
funny that anyone is responding with any contrarian view having not read his book. Read the book, people
commercialloanguy 2 years ago 2
Hormone imbalance is real not pseudoscience. Insulin is a hormone. And when it's chronically elevated -- it's imbalanced.
Endocrine/hormonal disorders are involved in weight gain, that's not in dispute. Look up "leptin" for another player.
Also the thyroid is a hormonal gland, it's involved in metabolism. And with the right foods, you can wreak havoc on it.
But I disagree with Taubes (I think), in that I distinguish the type of carb -- wheat is the main villain, gluten in particular.
jckchrstphr 2 years ago 2
Actually, Taubes would agree with you somewhat, but most the impact of carbohydrate in the body varies according to the individual tolerance level. Just a tiny bit of carbs in my body sends my insulin skyrocketing...for others, it takes much more. That's what he was saying.
livinlowcarbman 2 years ago
I agree. If you're overweight, becoming overweight, or have a history of those problems, it's likely you're insulin is chronically elevated -- a metabolic/endocrine disorder. The biggest marker of that being abdominal/visceral fat.
If you don't have those conditions it seems like you do fine on starchy root vegetables (like potatoes) and even rice and oats. But I suspect this works only if you're fit and active. And of course you'd still have to avoid Omega6 oils and processed fructose.
jckchrstphr 2 years ago 3
Go Taubes Go! Low-carb ftw!
XBGJDKE 2 years ago 3
Well actually its the right carbs not necessarily low carb. Just cut out sugar, white bread, HFCS, processed foods and eat only organic and you will be thin.
xxmonickkkkaxx 2 years ago
I think for the most part you're right: going back to natural foods is a huge part of health. The reason some people get so fanatical about low carb is that, for whatever reason, we have a much greater sensitivity to the carbs in our diet than others. For those without the hormonal difficulties what you write works fine. For those like me, with PCOS or another hormonal condition, even relatively healthy, unprocessed carbs can prevent weight loss or even cause weight gain. We like having options.
XBGJDKE 2 years ago 2
so is the fat dude saying eating bad triggers chemical imbalances that make you fat? it sounds like he doesnt have scientific proof, just like in the 90s about fat being the cause of fat gain...
fatboy395 2 years ago
btw, can someone paste the link to the video in which gary taubes, mehmet oz, a female from the AHA and another male doctor discuss about nutrition/health? I saw that video but can't seem to find it now.
hh87 2 years ago 2
It looks like the debate between Taubes, Ornish and the AHA lady moderated by Oz has been removed from YouTube for some reason. FYI!
livinlowcarbman 2 years ago
If it was removed, it's been put back up, in 5 clips.
lazur1 1 year ago
check out nutrition and physical degeneration by Weston Price. One of the most important books on nutrition ever.
hh87 2 years ago
Gary Taubes is by far the healthiest looking person in this video: surprise, surprise.
HighOnMyLife 2 years ago 4
He's an amazing man I've had the privilege of interviewing twice and heard in person. He'll be at another obesity conference in April 2009 in Charleston, SC and look forward to hearing what he has to say next. The man is quite fit. :)
livinlowcarbman 2 years ago
Well said :)
XBGJDKE 2 years ago
Dr. Weil is full of crap in that regard. Are Americans more fat and obese than Europeans because of there "genes". I guess people who excercise, start eating healier, and lose weight, are actually reprogramming their DNA. Whatever Dr. Weil.
LambadLambadLambda 3 years ago 2
I agree with you. I like Dr Weil's views on many issues, but this is just incorrect. He's leaving no room for a person's lack of discipline and laziness to be the CAUSE of their obesity. "That overeating and under-activity are not causes of obesity, but symptoms of that underlying disorder. That is, it's not that people eat too much and don't exercise because of some defect of will or some behavioral problem. It's that this is behavior that is controlled by a hormonal disturbance." boohoo robot
jethrotullisawesome 3 years ago
It comes down to statistics: things like a sedentary lifestyle and eating too much are correlated with weight gain. That means that these behavioral factors could be causing the weight gain, or that the genetic/hormonal factors that contribute to weight gain also cause inactivity and overeating. I have to admit that after seeing people eat insane amounts of food and not gain weight, while other people eat 500 calories a day and gain weight (if it's carbs) gives me pause.
XBGJDKE 2 years ago 2
We need DISCIPLINE to not OVEREAT? Are thinnies ALL more disciplined than fatties? Why donn't fatties get SATISFIED by the right amount of food?, or naturally raise their activity level if calories are higher? Thinnies do, & fatties want to be thinnies.Taubes' theory explains this. Why not -let- it explain? The diet works; that's gotta count for a lot. But thin folks want to look down on fatties.They prefer to ignore evidence & keep it a character issue: It make them the 'good guys'.
lazur1 1 year ago
I know very few so called "thinnies" and "fatties" as you say. The type of people that you speak of that remain thin "automatically" are rare. All of the other people, other than obese, eat healthy meals and healthy portions, and may also exercise on a regular basis. The truth is that it's easier for some to loose weight than others, but the way that people look at food (mentally) is a huge factor. How many obese people in the U.S. love to eat their daily cheese, be honest. Cut that cheese.
jethrotullisawesome 1 year ago
I meant to say cut the cheese out of your diet. That's a discipline. How many obese people are presently cutting the cheese from their diet? If you have no rules to follow, or you break the rules, then you do indeed lack discipline. On the other hand it's wonderful to place blame elsewhere. So let's just sit sedately and eat some fries while waiting for the answer, because it can't be diet and exercise, that's just for "thinnies".
jethrotullisawesome 1 year ago
Cheese & fries, w/no hidden sugar in them, no ketchup on them, & consumed w/water instead of sugar drinks (ha, that's gonna happen!), satisfies appetite w/ less calories. The way people 'look at' food has a -cause-. The way they're -brought up- to look at food has a cause..in the FOOD itself. The best explanation is the one that can actually cause positive change,so perhaps we haven't found the best one yet, but telling people w/problems to not have problems has never worked & never will.
lazur1 1 year ago
You don't know many people who eat what they have an appetite for, and remain thin? You don't know many people who are always dieting & exercising, and remain fat? Then you know much different people than I know.
lazur1 1 year ago
that is true, my friend was thin (she is asian) a year later after coming to america and eating american food- she blew up so i told her to revert back to her mothers cooking and she lost weight back to the way she was.
savvy1954 3 years ago 3
Joy Bahar - the brain dead Joy Bahar
MoveOnDotOrgg 3 years ago
The solution for me seems to have eliminated the refined foods and the sugar. I eat mostly nuts, veggies, apples and fish. I think the important FOR ME is to cut the stuff that limits the insulin response. I still have 10 pounds to lose. It still seems to me like an almost-impossible goal. Since I started this new way of eating, I lost 10 pounds in 6 days. Most of it came out as urine. Am I fat or is there too much water in my body?
MisterQuebec 3 years ago 2
Could be BOTH! Keep at it, buddy!
livinlowcarbman 3 years ago
Y'no what I think? I think that these genes are in everyone, a reminant from the "caveman" era. Where our early ancestors HAD to gorge on foods to stay alive. Meals didn't come every day, and storing the fat for later use is an amazing life saving mechinism. However, in the 21ST Century, we do not have to hunt down our food. We no longer have to chase a mammoth at 6:00am without breakfast. We can go to the fridge, or a fastfood chain. But thoes genes are still there. They didn't just dissappear!
WORLDREIGN 3 years ago 2
People differ genetically, so don't dismiss these out of hand. I guess you definitely would not argue that a redhead also "has the genes that make the skin black and the hair black". It's been known for years that indeed people react very differently to an infusion of carbohydrates: some almost don't notice it while others demonstrably pour vast amounts of insulin out into their bloodstream. That's why - as I'm sure Taubes would agree - not all humans are affected negatively by our modern diet.
hrvad 3 years ago
Thank you for posting this though - I'm reading the Diet Delusion right now and it's basically blowing my mind about how much we've been lied to by prominent health organisations and government organisations. Taubes to me, deserves all the awards we can give him for his meticulous research and for writing these books.
Volvican 3 years ago
Tabues's Not Taubes' There is only one Taubes there.
Volvican 3 years ago
Every medical school in the world should have this book as part of the course material.
JC4Atkins 3 years ago 3
btw, i wouldn't take Dr Weil's endorsement of Gary's book very seriously, he's fat!
gumbee1 3 years ago
Whether you realize it or not, Dr. Weil has lost a considerable amount of weight since this appearance on Larry King last year--and he did it on a LOW-CARB diet! :)
livinlowcarbman 3 years ago