Actually this story doesn't make much sense, because around the 1450's of our time the Vaadwaurs encountered the Borg, this was before V'ger was even build and he didn't come back earlier so! And before you ask this was said in the Episode Dragon's Teeth of Star trek Voyager.
I always liked the theory that, at the end of Motion Picture, when V'Ger merges with Decker and Ilia, that's the first instance of a Borg. When V'Ger 'assimilated' an organic, they became one, thus making this new being the first Borg Queen or King. S'always how I like to think of it.
I think I like the theory that you'll find in Strange New Worlds VI, under "Beginnings" better than this because this just comes back to the humans are the all-important species in the galaxy...
i just got through watching "I Borg", and as much as I love Picard, not only should he lose his commision and be kicked out Star Fleet, he along with Jordi and Guinan should all be put on trial, found guilty and executed. To think that millions of lives will be lost because of the borg, these traitors had on opportunity to end it all and they didn't because they felt bad because they liked "Hugh". I just can't believe they are so short sighted. Death the the crew of the Enterprise
@PeachWookiee Speaking of cannon, There are some neat canonical hints--or at least in-jokes--that V'Ger and The Borg Collective were in some way connected. The most obvious one was the Borg echoing something Spock said after he mind-melded with V'Ger: "Any show of resistance would be futile, Captain." Also, if you listen to The Borg theme from First Contact, you might notice some similarities to the sound track of The Motion Picture, witch I think was intentional.
@thespecialneedsgroup That doesn't surprise me in the least. Jerry Goldsmith composed the score for both movies. He also composed the music for Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, Star Trek: Insurrection and Star Trek: Nemesis.
@PeachWookiee Right, and I'm specifically talking about the main title (Star Trek: First Contact OST 1 Main Title/Locutis, if you want to hear it). When the opening credits end, and the camera pulls back from Picard's eye to reveal that he's standing in a Borg alcove, you hear the same sound--a sort of weird, metallically a-harmonic chord--that V'Ger made throughout The Motion Picture. I think it shows up a couple more times, too.
Why does everything have to be tied up? Can't we just accept the available story that the Borg began as one race which evolved to utilise cybernetics and eventually became slaves to their own programming. That is what the queen explained in First Contact and it's good enough for me.
This has been my theory for a long time. In Start Trek 1, Vger, being operated by the Voyager probe, leaves and has Will Decker and the android with it. Over time, they find a way to mate in addition to coming into contact with some alien virus that corrupts Vger forcing it to seek out and assimilate humanoids. It can only assimilate humanoids since it's origins are human. You never see them try to assimilate other, non bi-ped organisms.
Isn't this a alternate version of one of the ToS storylines don't remember which? Just that there was a human probe from the 20th centry that when though a blackhole or something was upgraded and returned to earth to find its maker.
Look, we don't need a Borg origin that is one of the things that is great about them, they are huge and unknowable. We also didn't need to know why the Kirk Klingon's didn't have bumpy far heads, stupid Enterprise
Then again the origin I remember being hinted at (that they were a humanoid society who let their technology override their wisdom and started making themselves partially robotic to make themselves better) sounds like it was ripped off from the Cybermen on "Doctor Who" so they gotta come up with something and there's a group out there who loves to tie the new and old shows together so there you go. :)
This spits in the face of what the borg were specifically made to represent.
The Borg are supposed to be a glimpse into a possible future of humanity, as well as a tool for social commentary. They point to the dangers of specific ideas and technologies, taken to the extreme. They are so completely alien to us, yet still make us reflect on ourselves. They represent the possibility of this being our inevitable, terrifying, soulless fate, and resistance is futile.
This story comes from the Shatner novel - Star Trek; The Return, which details a plot by the Romulans/Borg to resurrect a dead James Kirk following the events from Star Trek Generations.
& 4 the rest of U nay-sayers on this vid blog; plz pull the connonical probe from Ur astroids & realize that when quantem physics plays N2 the timeline of a particular plot or anomoly U can't keep saying "this is how it is" or "must B". the Borg & V'ger idea simply marry easily 2gether! it's obvious that U nay-sayers neither comprehend the "creative" writing process or the "fiction" of science fiction enough 2 C how absurdly confined Ur imaginative comprehention is! don't agree? do Ur own story!
well done! almost the same idea i have in my Birht Of The Borg vid. U sorta skipped over the whole TMP 1 encounter playing N2 the synopsis though. but great production none the less...(since i'm not a Trek Nazzi, i can still apriciate the artistic creativeness of a fictional universe without the cannon protocol - LOL). again, great job! is seems that V'ger being the origin of Borg is a realtively collective perspective...wouldn't U agree? =)
What can I say. I really hope that they don't decide to eventually make this cannon. In Voyager, when they were helping that one species back onto their feet (and were betrayed) they said that 900 years ago, the Borg were tiny...to sum it up. I really just...what can I say, don't want this to be the origin. Not sure if we ever should know. Perhaps, but it either has to be epic, or mind-blowingly-upsettingly simple. Something like this maybe...but more creative. New. Or, was new 1000 years ago.
The Timespace could do many funny things. In my opinion timetravelling means dimension travelling. You can go back in time to tell the WTC worwkers to go out from the building, and may you save them, but not in your World. In your World they died. What you cause is a new Timeline.
Who cares if the Star Trek Destiny book trilogy isn't canon (where I disagree), the story behind the creation of the Borg in the third book "The Lost Souls" is the best description of the Borg's creation and is the most reasonable.
As for V'ger, The Borg, have no reason to give sentience or individuality to a machine. The Borg is a collective, not a group of individuals.
That being said, I believe V'ger was created by the Sentry Coalition discussed in the last Titan series book.
but provided the Federation with the coordinates of the Borg homeworld for a final attack. It may also be significant that Spock, when referring to V'Ger, says, "Resistance would be futile."
Gene Roddenberry joked in an interview shortly after "Q Who" that the machine planet seen by Spock might have been the Borg homeworld. (Star Trek Encyclopedia) This idea was further developed in the William Shatner novel The Return, where Spock's mind meld with V'Ger not only protected Spock from being assimilated (since the Collective was already present in Spock's mind, the Borg assumed he was already one of them),
"In William Shatner's novel The Return, Spock is nearly assimilated by the Borg, but is saved by the fact that he mind-melded with V'ger. This is because, according to Shatner's novel, the alien race that found V'ger was an earlier form of the Borg. Spock was saved from assimilation because he had part of the Borg collective in his mind after he mind-melded with V'ger."
Sounds okay -- just one problem: If V'Ger had already created the Borg, there wasn't any need for the events of the first movie. A better Borg origin story would have been that when Decker merged with V'Ger at the end of the first movie, V'Ger went back in time to start assimilating other species. So humans would actually be "Species 1".
For one thing, why would V'Ger just start turning people into Borg - why not just absorb them and dispose of their bodies like in TMP? And why grant the Borg their own independent collective mind at all - seems like a weird thing to do if you wanted to control them. And how does having "desires of her own" automatically make the Borg free of V'Ger's control?
So yeah, like the other guy said... makes no sense whatsoever.
1.A Vulcan controlling an army of cyborgs is ILLOGICAL!!!!
2. "V'Ger could not find it's creator... so it decided that all carbon-based life was an infestation to the creators." I don't get this. V'Ger could not find it's creators, so he suddenly decided for no reason that carbon-based life is a virus? I don't understand it. Anyway, if V'Ger was supposed to be the Heart of the Borg, he would not go into Federation space adventuring, he'd wait for the Borg. ST I would be obsolete then.
Everyone, keep in mind that this story is NOT CANON. This is NOT what really happens in Star Trek lore. GAMES ARE NOT CANON! So calm down, none of this V'ger/ Borg crap is canon.
You know what made the borg so cool and interesting.. YOU KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THEM! You couldn't reason with them, you couldn't talk to them, they had one objective assimilation and all you could do is fight or be assimilated a fate worse then death. That was why they were so scary because they had one object and nothing you said or did could change that. If you didn't win you died or because one of the borg. Sometimes less is more the back story fucks it all up glad its non-canon
It would make more sense if Iliya became the first Borg Queen after she merged with Dekker. It's all moot now since they hit the restart switch by going into another dimension and starting over again.
To melkortito: I also find the V'ger/Borg connection to be dubious, but they do say that space and time are bend in the black hole that V'ger went through, so the timeline might have no bearing on things. Not worth shouting about.
To Woozie997: Yes it's fiction and not everyone's cup of tea. Also not worth shouting about. Since you obviously dislike the genre why watch and comment on it? Why not take your own advice and get a life?
This is just as stupid as the story that the Planet Killer was built to fight the Borg despite the following facts: 1. the Borg are native to the Delta Quadrant in this galaxy; 2. It was indisputably established in the episode "The Doomsday Machine" that the Planet Killer was from another galaxy.
@AStarSifter suspect you got that backward and maybe meant "how can the creator be younger than the created?" To answer your question...damned if I know ;-)
Everyone who doesn't see the logic is misinterpreting the story. V'Ger wasn't told to find its creator, it was told to find THE creator. It interpreted the order to find the race that made it as an order to find god, and when it couldn't find god, well... You know the rest.
@scoman91 it has nothing to do with misinterpretation, just that it contradicts so much of established canon. 1. There were no drones on V'Ger in TMP, nor was there any mention of any form of assimilation. 2. The Borg existed hundreds if not thousands of years before the Voyager probe. 3. The Borg originated in the delta quadrant.
@scoman91 this is not canon. The only material that is considered to be Star Trek canon is either official reference material (e.g. TNG tech manual) or the television series'/movies.
@fpsBeaTt Either way, this is beside the point. The point is not understanding the flow of logic in V'Ger assimilating every carbon being in the galaxy in its search for the creator.
This video is awesome except for how it seems to completely overlook the events of The Motion Picture. V'Ger DID find it's creators, Earth, but due to it being altered it represented a danger to mankind. Ilea was probably the first assimilation ever. Decker sacrificed himself because the drone still felt strong ties to him and listened to him. He became the second. After that V'Ger left Earth alone but still has a primary goal of collecting everything it could find and "becoming perfect".
This video is awesome except for how it seems to completely overlook the events of The Motion Picture. V'Ger DID find it's creators, Earth, but due to it being altered it represented a danger to mankind. Ilea was probably the first assimilation ever. Decker sacrificed himself because the drone still felt strong ties to him and listened to him. He became the second. After that V'Ger left Earth alone but still has a primary goal of collecting everything it could find and "becoming perfect".
Error error the Kirk is the creator you are in error .The Borg is a "Non sequitur. Your facts are uncoordinated I am Nomad. I am perfect." you will be sterilized.
@ImnoPro29 Wrong, they do. There are references to the movies in the Episodes and vice versa. DS9 mentions the destruction of the Enterprise and the first two borg attacks on earth.
Voyager references on both attacks aswell.
Generations is built around it's TNG's Arcs. First Contact is built around a TNG Arc.
Nemesis is built around Arcs from both TOS and TNG.
I don't mind this because let's face it, Star Trek is full of contradictions:
- When Kirk & Picard time travel back to face Sauron in Generations, there should be 2 Picards running around.
- In the TNG series, Troi stated The Borg did not have a leader and low and behold, The Borg Queen was tacked on in First Contact.
- In Insurrection, the FLAGSHIP of the Federation, goes to a remote planets to save 600 fucks nobody gives a shit about in the middle of the Dominion War!
-Because the Nexus is a temporal distortion, Picard likely ended up back where he was at that time, only he had all the memories of his encounters in the Nexus.
-In First Contact, Data asks if the Borg Queen commands the collective or is their leader to which the Queen replies there is no such disparity.
-They are going after Data originally then ran across that little incident and Picard being so righteous, and perhaps a little horny, had to do something.
-Nemesis only says he was young when he began to go bald. This could still be after Picard's time in Starfleet Academy.
-In Yesterday's Enterprise, the Enterprise-C came from the past which altered the "present" TNG timeline. The 2009 film is Nero and Spock coming from the future and altering the past.
@SSPerfectChaos actually not altering their timelines future. They traveled to a parallel universe (they even say that in the movie). So really they just changed the future course of events in a different universe. No time travel was taking place in that movie, only dimensional jumping. (Said so in the movie). Modern day physicists agree that when you travel back in "time" you are really just altering a different dimensions timeline (preserves space time and avoids paradox's)
THE ORIGIN OF BORG IS MORE THAN 900 YEARS BEFORE VOYAGER FOUND SEVEN OF NINE, SO IT WAS AROUND XIV CENTURY. VGER WAS CREATED AFTER XX CENTURY, SO, IT DID NOT MADE THE FIRST BORG. THIS VIDEO IS WRONG.
@melkortito vger (or the voyager prob) was launched in the 70's...thats the xxth century...., besides, the video states that it entered a black hole, the thing that tears thru the fabric of space time, so it is possible that it was sent back many hundreds of years and finally reached Kirks earth that many years later.
@melkortito WHY DONT YOU GET A FUCKING LIFE AND STOP TAKING THIS BULLSHIT SO SERIOUSLY! OH WHAT? YOU HAVE NO PURPOSE IN LIFE BUT TO WORRY OVER THE "BORG" A FAKE MAKE BELIEVE IDEA THAT HAS BROUGHT NO MEANING TO YOUR LIFE? GO "ASSIMILATE" A REAL LIFE ;)
@melkortito they did say it fell throgh a black hole where space AND TIME were in flux, it is logical to assume that v'ger was thrown back in time and began the collective, but thats only me playing devil's advocate
@TeknomanScimitar Well why do we think that what happens in one time line effects a different time line? I actually don't believe one happens in Time line A does not effect Time line B. As seen in the lastest Star Trek Movie. Where the 2 Spokes meet.
@TeknomanScimitar actually what happened to the Voyager probe form the star trek movie was that it fell through a transwarp conduit and met the borg that assimilated by means of converting people to paterned energy unlike the borg of Picard's time that assimilated by physical means
@melkortito Since Voyager probe fell in a black hole which transferred it millions light years across space it is not incomprehensible that it also travelled through time (like 500 years into past), since if black whole tears space time continuum both travel in space and time is possible...
@melkortito This is possible if the probe was sent through time as well as space. But I do not consider this information canon. It would be interesting if V'ger post ST:TMP encountered a Borg cube. I wouldn't want to be the Borg if that happened.
Auf dieses Video antworten... Yes but it felled into a black hole where "space and even time are bent" so maybe V'GER traveled in time and it ended up by living machines 900 years before Voyager
@Maximusrex4575If you actually watch Voyager the Borg did assist the ship and crew using Seven Of Nine as a emissary to defeat Species 8472. The Borg were engaged in a war with Species 8472 and agreed to give Voyager safe passage through Borg space if they helped the Borg defeat them and through all that is when Seven of Nine joins the Voyager crew. This all started occurring in the episode of Voyager titled "Scorpion"
Terrible game with a terrible terrible doesn't make sense in any possible way Borg origin story. Equally stupid have been the occasional "rumors" that the cybernetic race that helped V'ger was the Borg. V'ger was helped by a race massivly more advanced then anything we have seen in Star Trek, possibly bot even in our Galaxy, since V'ger came home because it ran out of things to explore and looked to merge with the creator in order to explore beyond it basic abilities.
watch star treck the motion picture its about the birth of the borgkirk interseps a vessel on a corse for earth and inside the vessel V GER/ VOYAGER 6 is in it
@ZeroArmour Humans and Kaeliar? No thank you. I don't understand why everything has to revolve about the humans? Why can't it just be some heretofore unheard of species in the Delta Quadrant who's socialized healthcare system got a bit carried away? You don't need a prosthetic limb? Have one anyway! On the house! No really, I insist! Nurse hold him down! And lets put some chips in his head too, cause not wanting to be closer to perfection is an imperfection that needs correcting as well...
@Rhymael The V'ger/Borg version isn't any better on that score, and making some dumb comment about socialised healthcare doesn't win you any points either.
this is entirely inconsistent with any information hinting at Borg origins. Guinan calls the Borg hundred of thousands of year old, while the voyager probe less than 1000 years old. The Borg state their mission is to achieve perfection and evolve through the assimilation of other beings. Not to learn more about their creator. eff you!!!!
This contradict an epsiode on Voyager...I believe it is season 6 or 7, where they awaken a species that have been dormant for over 4 or 500 years asleep.
The Borg wasn't created by what happened in Star Trek TMP. Why not? Well, if they had been then they would've had full knowledge of the Federation long before the Enterprise first came across them in TNG. It took the actions of Q to inform the Borg of the Federation, not what happened in TMP. Also, in TMP Spock said the planet V-ger came across was already inhabited by "living machines", which the Borg are, hence they didn't need humans to become living because they were already sentient.
It's more likely that the fusion between the Ilia Probe and "Commander" Decker are the origin of the Borg, 1 biological component, and 1 technological component. Besides, V'Ger only decided to destroy as a way of "throwing a fit", or if something got in it's way, the Borg also destroy what gets in their way...coincidence? I don't think so...
it makes much more sense that the Borg were an advanced species from the Delta Cuadrant that sufered a Dissiese and there for they created Medical Nanotechnology
that for some Reason went out of control and asimilate the Rest of the Investigators and later their worlds
So goes the life a video game story writer writing a story based in a film universe franchise. Getting it all wrong can also go the other way around for films based on video/computer games with crap lousy scripts and, crap lousy directing and horendus acting in the pure bullcrapium(my own personal label for garbage executed media) of the Resident Evil film franchise. I wish that SONY Pictures would just fire all who are involved with those shit movies and move on.
Damn, at 0:02 ; I knew Vulcans get cold easier than humans, but geez.
You'd think a septennial breeder would have slightly smaller tits unless she's in poon-far or something; but I guess the deeds of the money outweigh plot consistency.
Wait wait, the 'probes programming was a mystery to them' so if it was a mystery, suggesting they know nothing of where this probe has come from, then how could they consider humans and all carbon based life as an infestation? They knew nothing about the probe or well..........ANYTHING.
Trippy video, i think the concept with the Borg was the same as with networking computers. The more computers you network together the more powerful they are. What the Borg did was network their brains together and are constantly searching for species to assimilate for more power. The message is that absolute power corrupts so the Borg were like a future form of fascism.
@LordSib Nope, he speculated about a connection, which is a completely different thing. William Shatner rode with it and published a series of NON CANON novels which put the idea into the popular consciousness
If you actually read the Star Trek Destiny Books Lost Souls and Mere Mortals, they finally actually EXPLAIN the existance of the Borg and how the Borg came about. Its fascinating to read and finally have it all explained in a Star Trek novel!! :D
stolen from Star Trek 3. And from "The Changeling" episode where another machine like device about 3 feet long and able to float is brought onto the Enterprise seeking The Creator in the Original Series, and it merged with another machine being which changed it's fundamental program to eliminate all imperfect carbon based lifeforms....until Kirk in a dazzling display of logic that even Spock admires argues with it that it was created by a carbon based lifeform and is imperfect destroys itself.
@mssucks3462 I guess it could be like how one of the robots in I, Robot decided that it couldn't have been made by humans because it was superior to them, and no being can create something superior to itself.
@PluralOfEverything well this how the Vger acted- he traversed the universe, cataloged but could not find his creator; if I recall correctly, his scans were destroying objects copied into his memory, including carbon life forms. Which is scientifically accurate. The Borg were combining different lifeforms and technology. You could see how the Vger's original order to Borg drones would evolve from copying to assimilating, especially with self-aware queen.
@PluralOfEverything well this how the Vger acted- he traversed the universe, cataloged but could not find his creator; if I recall correctly, his scans were destroying objects copied into his memory, including carbon life forms. Which is scientifically accurate. The Borg were combining different lifeforms and technology. You could see how the Vger's original order to Borg drones would evolve from copying to assimilating, especially with self-aware queen.
@PluralOfEverything It was more that V'Ger, with all of its power and knowledge, couldn't conceive that carbon based lifeforms, which were inferior to it in so many ways, were its creator. It thought that its creator was akin to itself, a machine lifeform but far more powerful. The "Legacy" explanation for the Borg was so flipping flawed I had to check to make sure that George Lucas didn't write it or something.
@PluralOfEverything no it thought all carbon based life was keeping the creator from comunicating with V GER so it decided to destroy life in earth to comunicate with it, the story of how the borg were made is in the movie (Star Treck The Motion Picture)
Ive always liked the Idea that the Borg came from VGer or that they r atleast connected in some way, nice video.
RaikenXion 10 hours ago
Actually this story doesn't make much sense, because around the 1450's of our time the Vaadwaurs encountered the Borg, this was before V'ger was even build and he didn't come back earlier so! And before you ask this was said in the Episode Dragon's Teeth of Star trek Voyager.
123iceboy 22 hours ago
Interesting theory but only a theory....
ryckless1 23 hours ago
The Borg a.k.a google
FatfighterXD1 4 days ago
I always liked the theory that, at the end of Motion Picture, when V'Ger merges with Decker and Ilia, that's the first instance of a Borg. When V'Ger 'assimilated' an organic, they became one, thus making this new being the first Borg Queen or King. S'always how I like to think of it.
Xercom 5 days ago
I think I like the theory that you'll find in Strange New Worlds VI, under "Beginnings" better than this because this just comes back to the humans are the all-important species in the galaxy...
JSkyGemini 1 week ago
The Borg are what would have happened if AOL bought the world.
theknightswhosayfrak 1 week ago
yeah which came first the chicken or the egg? resistence is futile
raypsi1 1 week ago
i just got through watching "I Borg", and as much as I love Picard, not only should he lose his commision and be kicked out Star Fleet, he along with Jordi and Guinan should all be put on trial, found guilty and executed. To think that millions of lives will be lost because of the borg, these traitors had on opportunity to end it all and they didn't because they felt bad because they liked "Hugh". I just can't believe they are so short sighted. Death the the crew of the Enterprise
chadheroman 2 weeks ago
I had long thought this was the other way around: The Borg created V'ger rather than V'ger creating the Borg.
I'm gonna have to look this up somewhere else. I don't see how this can possibly be "canon," fascinating though the story may be.
namedonimpulse 2 weeks ago
@namedonimpulse Anything that's not on TV or in movies isn't considered canon. So this isn't.
PeachWookiee 2 weeks ago
@PeachWookiee Speaking of cannon, There are some neat canonical hints--or at least in-jokes--that V'Ger and The Borg Collective were in some way connected. The most obvious one was the Borg echoing something Spock said after he mind-melded with V'Ger: "Any show of resistance would be futile, Captain." Also, if you listen to The Borg theme from First Contact, you might notice some similarities to the sound track of The Motion Picture, witch I think was intentional.
thespecialneedsgroup 2 days ago
@thespecialneedsgroup That doesn't surprise me in the least. Jerry Goldsmith composed the score for both movies. He also composed the music for Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, Star Trek: Insurrection and Star Trek: Nemesis.
PeachWookiee 2 days ago
@PeachWookiee Right, and I'm specifically talking about the main title (Star Trek: First Contact OST 1 Main Title/Locutis, if you want to hear it). When the opening credits end, and the camera pulls back from Picard's eye to reveal that he's standing in a Borg alcove, you hear the same sound--a sort of weird, metallically a-harmonic chord--that V'Ger made throughout The Motion Picture. I think it shows up a couple more times, too.
By the way, how awesome was Jerry Goldsmith?
thespecialneedsgroup 1 day ago
@namedonimpulse v'ger is the satalite voyager
sinpros 1 week ago
@sinpros I know that...
namedonimpulse 1 week ago
Why does everything have to be tied up? Can't we just accept the available story that the Borg began as one race which evolved to utilise cybernetics and eventually became slaves to their own programming. That is what the queen explained in First Contact and it's good enough for me.
LoneRookRS1 2 weeks ago 2
This has been my theory for a long time. In Start Trek 1, Vger, being operated by the Voyager probe, leaves and has Will Decker and the android with it. Over time, they find a way to mate in addition to coming into contact with some alien virus that corrupts Vger forcing it to seek out and assimilate humanoids. It can only assimilate humanoids since it's origins are human. You never see them try to assimilate other, non bi-ped organisms.
tedirving 3 weeks ago
The borg are awesome. And to think this story line is true and is what actually hsppened is gay. Keep i a mystery.
spiritmobiles 4 weeks ago
Isn't this a alternate version of one of the ToS storylines don't remember which? Just that there was a human probe from the 20th centry that when though a blackhole or something was upgraded and returned to earth to find its maker.
gxxlee123 1 month ago 2
this is not canon. I prefer to keep the V'Ger storyline and the Borg storyline forever and completely separate.
tkgsingsct 1 month ago
like
danooth22 1 month ago
The origin story from the Destiny trilogy is much better, IMO...
CeruleanPhoenix7 1 month ago
Look, we don't need a Borg origin that is one of the things that is great about them, they are huge and unknowable. We also didn't need to know why the Kirk Klingon's didn't have bumpy far heads, stupid Enterprise
phantomrachie 1 month ago
@phantomrachie "We don't like to talk about it." ;)
BaddGirl420 1 month ago
Humans created the borg in essence?
GAY
Slazors 1 month ago
Then again the origin I remember being hinted at (that they were a humanoid society who let their technology override their wisdom and started making themselves partially robotic to make themselves better) sounds like it was ripped off from the Cybermen on "Doctor Who" so they gotta come up with something and there's a group out there who loves to tie the new and old shows together so there you go. :)
LibraGamesUnlimited 1 month ago
"Carbon based" life. As though the Borg refused to assimilate non carbon based life. Species 8472, anyone?
psytle 1 month ago
This spits in the face of what the borg were specifically made to represent.
The Borg are supposed to be a glimpse into a possible future of humanity, as well as a tool for social commentary. They point to the dangers of specific ideas and technologies, taken to the extreme. They are so completely alien to us, yet still make us reflect on ourselves. They represent the possibility of this being our inevitable, terrifying, soulless fate, and resistance is futile.
OttovnBismarck 1 month ago
so human kind is responsible for creating borg? Yay for another human *uckup :)
minerdrc 1 month ago 3
This story comes from the Shatner novel - Star Trek; The Return, which details a plot by the Romulans/Borg to resurrect a dead James Kirk following the events from Star Trek Generations.
agenttexx 1 month ago
Christ, this is like something Abrams would put in his next Shit Trek movie. It's that bad.
JohnnyC133 1 month ago
Since the information source is from a video game it remains unclear if V,ger was the creator of the borg
AdisloKazdan 1 month ago
Doesn't make sense, it is irrational and exhibits two-dimensional thinking. Bad Trek ideas.
ChicaWolverina 2 months ago
V'Ger didn't create the Borg, more likely the Borg created V'Ger.
ObiTrev 2 months ago
& 4 the rest of U nay-sayers on this vid blog; plz pull the connonical probe from Ur astroids & realize that when quantem physics plays N2 the timeline of a particular plot or anomoly U can't keep saying "this is how it is" or "must B". the Borg & V'ger idea simply marry easily 2gether! it's obvious that U nay-sayers neither comprehend the "creative" writing process or the "fiction" of science fiction enough 2 C how absurdly confined Ur imaginative comprehention is! don't agree? do Ur own story!
deaddecaydead 2 months ago
well done! almost the same idea i have in my Birht Of The Borg vid. U sorta skipped over the whole TMP 1 encounter playing N2 the synopsis though. but great production none the less...(since i'm not a Trek Nazzi, i can still apriciate the artistic creativeness of a fictional universe without the cannon protocol - LOL). again, great job! is seems that V'ger being the origin of Borg is a realtively collective perspective...wouldn't U agree? =)
deaddecaydead 2 months ago
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deaddecaydead 2 months ago
What can I say. I really hope that they don't decide to eventually make this cannon. In Voyager, when they were helping that one species back onto their feet (and were betrayed) they said that 900 years ago, the Borg were tiny...to sum it up. I really just...what can I say, don't want this to be the origin. Not sure if we ever should know. Perhaps, but it either has to be epic, or mind-blowingly-upsettingly simple. Something like this maybe...but more creative. New. Or, was new 1000 years ago.
RurouniKalain 2 months ago
I CANT STOP FARTING
xcelorater 2 months ago
im sorry but that sucked am not that big of a star trek fan but evan i know thats wrong
tnair08 2 months ago
This is the dumbest origin story.
TKnightcrawler 2 months ago 28
@TKnightcrawler I prefer this one myself. It really helps weave all the plot points together into already established trek lore.
EmperorofCartoons 1 month ago
The Timespace could do many funny things. In my opinion timetravelling means dimension travelling. You can go back in time to tell the WTC worwkers to go out from the building, and may you save them, but not in your World. In your World they died. What you cause is a new Timeline.
11011011011100110 2 months ago
@11011011011100110 I absolutely agree with this theory.
LordHannigan 2 months ago
Where are the hot trekkie chicks at?
ThePantherVision 2 months ago
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sypher10202saysfu 2 months ago
This is just a twist on the premise of the first Star Trek movie. It's kind of lazy writing and doesn't make much sense.
jeremycoatney 2 months ago 2
@jeremycoatney Why am I commenting on a video posted in 2006? >~>;;;
jeremycoatney 2 months ago
@jeremycoatney Because ST: Legacy is the shiiiiiii*t.
sypher10202saysfu 2 months ago
V'Ger was sent back to us from the Decepticons, not the Borg.
MrMichael1701 3 months ago
So what happens to V'Ger in the new parallel universe created in the recent Star Trek movie(s)? It's still out there, isn't it?
DJSnowfall 3 months ago
Who cares if the Star Trek Destiny book trilogy isn't canon (where I disagree), the story behind the creation of the Borg in the third book "The Lost Souls" is the best description of the Borg's creation and is the most reasonable.
As for V'ger, The Borg, have no reason to give sentience or individuality to a machine. The Borg is a collective, not a group of individuals.
That being said, I believe V'ger was created by the Sentry Coalition discussed in the last Titan series book.
DarienLeonhart 3 months ago
Wait, it hated carbon based life, and turned them into Borg? The Borg are still carbon based life. That was the whole point of an entire movie!
aperson22222 3 months ago
but provided the Federation with the coordinates of the Borg homeworld for a final attack. It may also be significant that Spock, when referring to V'Ger, says, "Resistance would be futile."
Dreydan 3 months ago
Gene Roddenberry joked in an interview shortly after "Q Who" that the machine planet seen by Spock might have been the Borg homeworld. (Star Trek Encyclopedia) This idea was further developed in the William Shatner novel The Return, where Spock's mind meld with V'Ger not only protected Spock from being assimilated (since the Collective was already present in Spock's mind, the Borg assumed he was already one of them),
Dreydan 3 months ago
that makes no sense because if they are to return the satelite to earth then why do they try to destroy and asmilate it
MORPHIOUS1011 3 months ago
"In William Shatner's novel The Return, Spock is nearly assimilated by the Borg, but is saved by the fact that he mind-melded with V'ger. This is because, according to Shatner's novel, the alien race that found V'ger was an earlier form of the Borg. Spock was saved from assimilation because he had part of the Borg collective in his mind after he mind-melded with V'ger."
If William Shatner wrote it, it's legitimate.
Hyedrojin 3 months ago 3
VGER is a paradox, The Borg are a paradox, It's all about time travel
TheAluminiumklorid 3 months ago 2
Sounds okay -- just one problem: If V'Ger had already created the Borg, there wasn't any need for the events of the first movie. A better Borg origin story would have been that when Decker merged with V'Ger at the end of the first movie, V'Ger went back in time to start assimilating other species. So humans would actually be "Species 1".
LegionDCX 3 months ago
@LegionDCX yes BUT if you remember that 7 of 9 said that the borg lost most of their memory of how they began
mastertrekky 3 months ago
Cool story, bro!
mrsz30 3 months ago
Yeah, I don't like this story.
For one thing, why would V'Ger just start turning people into Borg - why not just absorb them and dispose of their bodies like in TMP? And why grant the Borg their own independent collective mind at all - seems like a weird thing to do if you wanted to control them. And how does having "desires of her own" automatically make the Borg free of V'Ger's control?
So yeah, like the other guy said... makes no sense whatsoever.
jimbopumbapigsticks 3 months ago
MELKORTITO IS CORRECT...the borg is much older.
quest33613 3 months ago
Eh...
1.A Vulcan controlling an army of cyborgs is ILLOGICAL!!!!
2. "V'Ger could not find it's creator... so it decided that all carbon-based life was an infestation to the creators." I don't get this. V'Ger could not find it's creators, so he suddenly decided for no reason that carbon-based life is a virus? I don't understand it. Anyway, if V'Ger was supposed to be the Heart of the Borg, he would not go into Federation space adventuring, he'd wait for the Borg. ST I would be obsolete then.
DarthRushy 4 months ago
Everyone, keep in mind that this story is NOT CANON. This is NOT what really happens in Star Trek lore. GAMES ARE NOT CANON! So calm down, none of this V'ger/ Borg crap is canon.
billyboyjennings 4 months ago
@billyboyjennings oh thank you good sir!
Omerack 4 months ago
You know what made the borg so cool and interesting.. YOU KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THEM! You couldn't reason with them, you couldn't talk to them, they had one objective assimilation and all you could do is fight or be assimilated a fate worse then death. That was why they were so scary because they had one object and nothing you said or did could change that. If you didn't win you died or because one of the borg. Sometimes less is more the back story fucks it all up glad its non-canon
CrimsonStarStudios 4 months ago
It would make more sense if Iliya became the first Borg Queen after she merged with Dekker. It's all moot now since they hit the restart switch by going into another dimension and starting over again.
nozcr 4 months ago
Dosen't Make sense? what part of TIME and space have no meaning didn't you get retard?
Krontok 4 months ago
@Krontok Agreed.
b33jal 4 months ago
To melkortito: I also find the V'ger/Borg connection to be dubious, but they do say that space and time are bend in the black hole that V'ger went through, so the timeline might have no bearing on things. Not worth shouting about.
To Woozie997: Yes it's fiction and not everyone's cup of tea. Also not worth shouting about. Since you obviously dislike the genre why watch and comment on it? Why not take your own advice and get a life?
HayBea 4 months ago 2
wow this video is like a troll magnet
GUUUUUII 4 months ago
This is just as stupid as the story that the Planet Killer was built to fight the Borg despite the following facts: 1. the Borg are native to the Delta Quadrant in this galaxy; 2. It was indisputably established in the episode "The Doomsday Machine" that the Planet Killer was from another galaxy.
Keiththegamergeek 4 months ago
The Borg are far older than V'ger, How can the the created be younger than the creator?
AStarSifter 4 months ago
@AStarSifter Vger traveled back in time
guy27677 4 months ago
@AStarSifter hehe, is that a rhetorical question?
GoatMee 4 months ago
@AStarSifter suspect you got that backward and maybe meant "how can the creator be younger than the created?" To answer your question...damned if I know ;-)
HayBea 4 months ago
is that t'pol?
DIVOTMOVIES 4 months ago
Everyone who doesn't see the logic is misinterpreting the story. V'Ger wasn't told to find its creator, it was told to find THE creator. It interpreted the order to find the race that made it as an order to find god, and when it couldn't find god, well... You know the rest.
scoman91 4 months ago
@scoman91 it has nothing to do with misinterpretation, just that it contradicts so much of established canon. 1. There were no drones on V'Ger in TMP, nor was there any mention of any form of assimilation. 2. The Borg existed hundreds if not thousands of years before the Voyager probe. 3. The Borg originated in the delta quadrant.
fpsBeaTt 4 months ago
@fpsBeaTt It's called a retcon. Outdated info cannot be considered cannon if a more recent source has contradicted it.
scoman91 4 months ago
@scoman91 this is not canon. The only material that is considered to be Star Trek canon is either official reference material (e.g. TNG tech manual) or the television series'/movies.
fpsBeaTt 4 months ago
@fpsBeaTt Either way, this is beside the point. The point is not understanding the flow of logic in V'Ger assimilating every carbon being in the galaxy in its search for the creator.
scoman91 4 months ago
This video is awesome except for how it seems to completely overlook the events of The Motion Picture. V'Ger DID find it's creators, Earth, but due to it being altered it represented a danger to mankind. Ilea was probably the first assimilation ever. Decker sacrificed himself because the drone still felt strong ties to him and listened to him. He became the second. After that V'Ger left Earth alone but still has a primary goal of collecting everything it could find and "becoming perfect".
AeronPeryton 4 months ago
This video is awesome except for how it seems to completely overlook the events of The Motion Picture. V'Ger DID find it's creators, Earth, but due to it being altered it represented a danger to mankind. Ilea was probably the first assimilation ever. Decker sacrificed himself because the drone still felt strong ties to him and listened to him. He became the second. After that V'Ger left Earth alone but still has a primary goal of collecting everything it could find and "becoming perfect".
AeronPeryton 4 months ago
Wait, the V'ger cloud attacking a Prometheus and Intrepid class ship? What? The V'Ger threeat ended in the first film...
I still think the 'Machine Planet' was A (or maybe the first) Borg world. (Gene Roddenberry joked at that)
majormagna 4 months ago
Error error the Kirk is the creator you are in error .The Borg is a "Non sequitur. Your facts are uncoordinated I am Nomad. I am perfect." you will be sterilized.
metapatriot 4 months ago
First Star Trek Movie , the voyager .... birth of the borgs
VaultTec3000 4 months ago
@SawThatComingAgain The star trek movies do not follow the television series.
ImnoPro29 4 months ago
@ImnoPro29 Wrong, they do. There are references to the movies in the Episodes and vice versa. DS9 mentions the destruction of the Enterprise and the first two borg attacks on earth.
Voyager references on both attacks aswell.
Generations is built around it's TNG's Arcs. First Contact is built around a TNG Arc.
Nemesis is built around Arcs from both TOS and TNG.
Your statement is 100% inaccurate.
Spectual1 4 months ago
I don't mind this because let's face it, Star Trek is full of contradictions:
- When Kirk & Picard time travel back to face Sauron in Generations, there should be 2 Picards running around.
- In the TNG series, Troi stated The Borg did not have a leader and low and behold, The Borg Queen was tacked on in First Contact.
- In Insurrection, the FLAGSHIP of the Federation, goes to a remote planets to save 600 fucks nobody gives a shit about in the middle of the Dominion War!
SawThatComingAgain 4 months ago
@SawThatComingAgain
-Because the Nexus is a temporal distortion, Picard likely ended up back where he was at that time, only he had all the memories of his encounters in the Nexus.
-In First Contact, Data asks if the Borg Queen commands the collective or is their leader to which the Queen replies there is no such disparity.
-They are going after Data originally then ran across that little incident and Picard being so righteous, and perhaps a little horny, had to do something.
SSPerfectChaos 4 months ago
- In the TNG series, a young Picard had hair when he went through StarFleet Academy. In Nemesis, he was bald the whole time.
- The TNG series episode "Yesterday's Enterprise" disproves the alternate timeline that was established in the 2009 film.
So with those inconsistent examples, as far as I'm concerned, V'Ger + Borg = CANON
SawThatComingAgain 4 months ago
@SawThatComingAgain
-Nemesis only says he was young when he began to go bald. This could still be after Picard's time in Starfleet Academy.
-In Yesterday's Enterprise, the Enterprise-C came from the past which altered the "present" TNG timeline. The 2009 film is Nero and Spock coming from the future and altering the past.
SSPerfectChaos 4 months ago
@SSPerfectChaos actually not altering their timelines future. They traveled to a parallel universe (they even say that in the movie). So really they just changed the future course of events in a different universe. No time travel was taking place in that movie, only dimensional jumping. (Said so in the movie). Modern day physicists agree that when you travel back in "time" you are really just altering a different dimensions timeline (preserves space time and avoids paradox's)
johnkerry7 4 months ago
wat
beerasaurus 4 months ago
THE ORIGIN OF BORG IS MORE THAN 900 YEARS BEFORE VOYAGER FOUND SEVEN OF NINE, SO IT WAS AROUND XIV CENTURY. VGER WAS CREATED AFTER XX CENTURY, SO, IT DID NOT MADE THE FIRST BORG. THIS VIDEO IS WRONG.
melkortito 5 months ago 18
@melkortito The video does clearly mention that the probe was also thrown back in time, though.
Actually, black holes distorting time is a scientific fact.
And really... whilst it may seem somewhat conveniently constructed ... complaining about time travel? In Star Trek?! ;)
Sinvey 4 months ago
@Sinvey OK......IT IS POSIBLE BUTI DON'T BUY IT. IT IS TOO COMPLICATED. AS SOME ONE ELSE SAID. THANKS GOD THAT IS NOT CANONICAL!
melkortito 4 months ago
@melkortito vger (or the voyager prob) was launched in the 70's...thats the xxth century...., besides, the video states that it entered a black hole, the thing that tears thru the fabric of space time, so it is possible that it was sent back many hundreds of years and finally reached Kirks earth that many years later.
johnkerry7 4 months ago
@melkortito WHY DONT YOU GET A FUCKING LIFE AND STOP TAKING THIS BULLSHIT SO SERIOUSLY! OH WHAT? YOU HAVE NO PURPOSE IN LIFE BUT TO WORRY OVER THE "BORG" A FAKE MAKE BELIEVE IDEA THAT HAS BROUGHT NO MEANING TO YOUR LIFE? GO "ASSIMILATE" A REAL LIFE ;)
WooZIE997 4 months ago
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ThePixelChaos 4 months ago
@melkortito i did want to reply to your cap typing stupidity, then saw this.
This account has been suspended due to multiple or severe violations of YouTube's Copyright Policy.
sucks for you, no reply awww. oh well.
ThePixelChaos 4 months ago
@melkortito they did say it fell throgh a black hole where space AND TIME were in flux, it is logical to assume that v'ger was thrown back in time and began the collective, but thats only me playing devil's advocate
TeknomanScimitar 4 months ago 24
@TeknomanScimitar Well why do we think that what happens in one time line effects a different time line? I actually don't believe one happens in Time line A does not effect Time line B. As seen in the lastest Star Trek Movie. Where the 2 Spokes meet.
LordHannigan 2 months ago
@TeknomanScimitar actually what happened to the Voyager probe form the star trek movie was that it fell through a transwarp conduit and met the borg that assimilated by means of converting people to paterned energy unlike the borg of Picard's time that assimilated by physical means
Jamescs007 1 week ago
@melkortito Since Voyager probe fell in a black hole which transferred it millions light years across space it is not incomprehensible that it also travelled through time (like 500 years into past), since if black whole tears space time continuum both travel in space and time is possible...
prcagna 3 months ago
@melkortito This is possible if the probe was sent through time as well as space. But I do not consider this information canon. It would be interesting if V'ger post ST:TMP encountered a Borg cube. I wouldn't want to be the Borg if that happened.
FRODOGOOFBALL 3 months ago
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julysberries 2 months ago
Auf dieses Video antworten... Yes but it felled into a black hole where "space and even time are bent" so maybe V'GER traveled in time and it ended up by living machines 900 years before Voyager
julysberries 2 months ago
Anyone know the narrartor? Im sure its not her but it sounds a little like Nana Visitor.
swpotf2 5 months ago
Artwork is quite nice. Theory is awful.
wight1984 5 months ago
@Maximusrex4575If you actually watch Voyager the Borg did assist the ship and crew using Seven Of Nine as a emissary to defeat Species 8472. The Borg were engaged in a war with Species 8472 and agreed to give Voyager safe passage through Borg space if they helped the Borg defeat them and through all that is when Seven of Nine joins the Voyager crew. This all started occurring in the episode of Voyager titled "Scorpion"
ThePyro270 5 months ago
Terrible game with a terrible terrible doesn't make sense in any possible way Borg origin story. Equally stupid have been the occasional "rumors" that the cybernetic race that helped V'ger was the Borg. V'ger was helped by a race massivly more advanced then anything we have seen in Star Trek, possibly bot even in our Galaxy, since V'ger came home because it ran out of things to explore and looked to merge with the creator in order to explore beyond it basic abilities.
Maximusrex4575 5 months ago
logic fail
therbert 5 months ago
watch star treck the motion picture its about the birth of the borgkirk interseps a vessel on a corse for earth and inside the vessel V GER/ VOYAGER 6 is in it
legonatter105 5 months ago
I don't buy it, the "V'ger did it" has never really worked. The explanation given in the "Destiny Trilogy" novels makes much more sense.
ZeroArmour 5 months ago
@ZeroArmour Humans and Kaeliar? No thank you. I don't understand why everything has to revolve about the humans? Why can't it just be some heretofore unheard of species in the Delta Quadrant who's socialized healthcare system got a bit carried away? You don't need a prosthetic limb? Have one anyway! On the house! No really, I insist! Nurse hold him down! And lets put some chips in his head too, cause not wanting to be closer to perfection is an imperfection that needs correcting as well...
Rhymael 5 months ago 2
@Rhymael The V'ger/Borg version isn't any better on that score, and making some dumb comment about socialised healthcare doesn't win you any points either.
ZeroArmour 5 months ago
Hi. This is a good video...
spacemouse1 5 months ago
this is entirely inconsistent with any information hinting at Borg origins. Guinan calls the Borg hundred of thousands of year old, while the voyager probe less than 1000 years old. The Borg state their mission is to achieve perfection and evolve through the assimilation of other beings. Not to learn more about their creator. eff you!!!!
cannebergeframboise 5 months ago
This contradict an epsiode on Voyager...I believe it is season 6 or 7, where they awaken a species that have been dormant for over 4 or 500 years asleep.
sgal88 6 months ago
oh cmon its star trek its loaded with plotholes and fake science just let it slide
sjconker64 6 months ago
The Borg wasn't created by what happened in Star Trek TMP. Why not? Well, if they had been then they would've had full knowledge of the Federation long before the Enterprise first came across them in TNG. It took the actions of Q to inform the Borg of the Federation, not what happened in TMP. Also, in TMP Spock said the planet V-ger came across was already inhabited by "living machines", which the Borg are, hence they didn't need humans to become living because they were already sentient.
Bubo25 6 months ago 2
It's more likely that the fusion between the Ilia Probe and "Commander" Decker are the origin of the Borg, 1 biological component, and 1 technological component. Besides, V'Ger only decided to destroy as a way of "throwing a fit", or if something got in it's way, the Borg also destroy what gets in their way...coincidence? I don't think so...
AdmiralJaden 6 months ago 2
it makes much more sense that the Borg were an advanced species from the Delta Cuadrant that sufered a Dissiese and there for they created Medical Nanotechnology
that for some Reason went out of control and asimilate the Rest of the Investigators and later their worlds
LocutusBorgOf 6 months ago 2
Heh, a Motionless Picture tie-in ;~P
BinroWasRight 6 months ago
wow this made no sense whatsoever,
ilikemunting 6 months ago
What about Silicone-based life? Racist.
Torchthewood 6 months ago 2
So goes the life a video game story writer writing a story based in a film universe franchise. Getting it all wrong can also go the other way around for films based on video/computer games with crap lousy scripts and, crap lousy directing and horendus acting in the pure bullcrapium(my own personal label for garbage executed media) of the Resident Evil film franchise. I wish that SONY Pictures would just fire all who are involved with those shit movies and move on.
ChronicTheSquirrel 6 months ago
Wow, what a crappy story. Makes no sense at all.
Tuathalful 7 months ago 14
The Original Borg Queen was Ilia, notice the Bald head!
JENDALL714 7 months ago in playlist Sci-Fi
Has anyone of you guys had a date recently?
thedavisgroup 7 months ago 2
@thedavisgroup no jus beet my meat
rest2047 4 months ago
STAR TREK GEEKS DISSCUSS
dexterme 7 months ago
great a star trek mash up.
still...: a vulcan and a the borg ?
i sure like to hear the logical explanation for war and assimilation.
Spock said logic leads to peace.
unamaxify 7 months ago
Damn, at 0:02 ; I knew Vulcans get cold easier than humans, but geez.
You'd think a septennial breeder would have slightly smaller tits unless she's in poon-far or something; but I guess the deeds of the money outweigh plot consistency.
postalmeter 7 months ago
Damn, at 0:02; I knew Vulcans get gold easier than humans, but that PROVES it!
You'd think a septennial breeder would have slightly smatter tits, but the needs of the money outweigh the needs of the true.
postalmeter 7 months ago
Gay.
jackflak1979 7 months ago
Wait wait, the 'probes programming was a mystery to them' so if it was a mystery, suggesting they know nothing of where this probe has come from, then how could they consider humans and all carbon based life as an infestation? They knew nothing about the probe or well..........ANYTHING.
OriganalWebs 7 months ago
My theory was VGER was rebuilt on Cybertron by Autobots, and the Borg spawned for the Phalanx from Marvel Comics.
Trainian 7 months ago
Trippy video, i think the concept with the Borg was the same as with networking computers. The more computers you network together the more powerful they are. What the Borg did was network their brains together and are constantly searching for species to assimilate for more power. The message is that absolute power corrupts so the Borg were like a future form of fascism.
NurseSweetass 7 months ago 2
Nah, I rather let my imagination tell me how the borg came to be. It's much more fun. =)
(wait a second... lol i think i watched this before. Why did i come back?)
wolfoflegend1 7 months ago
Error! Error! (nomad tos)
Curas1 7 months ago
See: The Borg Agenda by Lenon Honor on YOUTUBE
TRUTHEXPANDING 7 months ago
I think this might be the worst thing ever recorded and put on the internet.
terranwar 7 months ago
Nope, not even a nice lady`s voice can make me accept this.
seafireliv 7 months ago
But V' ger was destroyed at the end of Star Trek The Motion picture.
markcruiser64 7 months ago
@markcruiser64 It wasn't destroyed. It evolved to a higher form of life.
SuperFlicky 7 months ago
@SuperFlicky I stand corrected. :-)
markcruiser64 7 months ago
Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry said the Borg came from the union of V'Ger and Commander Decker at the end of The Motion Picture.
He also said that "trekkie" is the correct term not "trekker."
LordSib 7 months ago
@LordSib Nope, he speculated about a connection, which is a completely different thing. William Shatner rode with it and published a series of NON CANON novels which put the idea into the popular consciousness
spot261 6 months ago
If you actually read the Star Trek Destiny Books Lost Souls and Mere Mortals, they finally actually EXPLAIN the existance of the Borg and how the Borg came about. Its fascinating to read and finally have it all explained in a Star Trek novel!! :D
Dippers85 7 months ago
stolen from Star Trek 3. And from "The Changeling" episode where another machine like device about 3 feet long and able to float is brought onto the Enterprise seeking The Creator in the Original Series, and it merged with another machine being which changed it's fundamental program to eliminate all imperfect carbon based lifeforms....until Kirk in a dazzling display of logic that even Spock admires argues with it that it was created by a carbon based lifeform and is imperfect destroys itself.
FeistyAmazon2009 8 months ago
very unsatisfying idea of how the borg came to be and im sure most would agree with me. i think ill just make up my own thank you very much.
BloodJunkie11 8 months ago
WHAT???!!! WOW, i was thinking of something totally different!! lol
wolfoflegend1 8 months ago
possibly the birth of the borg
inquiry10 8 months ago
NERD ALERT!!!
JLR902 8 months ago
Interesting theory..
davisgreen2020 8 months ago
return of elenin, god please help us!
venneveetv 8 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Throughout all of the video I was like: "WTF?!"
Alfapiomega 8 months ago
It couldn't find its creator, so it decided that all carbon based life was an infestation? That doesn't follow at all.
PluralOfEverything 8 months ago 60
@PluralOfEverything In the 1979 trek movie v'ger decided that the carbon based life forms somehow interfered with the creator which is also a machine
mssucks3462 8 months ago
@mssucks3462 I guess it could be like how one of the robots in I, Robot decided that it couldn't have been made by humans because it was superior to them, and no being can create something superior to itself.
PluralOfEverything 8 months ago
@PluralOfEverything you are talking doggy doo doo mate, my dad created me and i can do a ton of things better then him, i am far superior.
BHMatrix 8 months ago
@PluralOfEverything yet it was basically the entire plot of Star Trek: The Motion Picture
babylon218 8 months ago
@PluralOfEverything - Thank you! Exactly! I much prefer the explanation given in the novel "Lost Souls," detailing the final Borg Invasion of 2381.
Gressauddo 7 months ago in playlist Star Trek
@PluralOfEverything well this how the Vger acted- he traversed the universe, cataloged but could not find his creator; if I recall correctly, his scans were destroying objects copied into his memory, including carbon life forms. Which is scientifically accurate. The Borg were combining different lifeforms and technology. You could see how the Vger's original order to Borg drones would evolve from copying to assimilating, especially with self-aware queen.
adaseth 7 months ago
@adaseth I really think thery just copied the Vger origin because they were too lazy.
MasterAdam100 7 months ago
@PluralOfEverything well this how the Vger acted- he traversed the universe, cataloged but could not find his creator; if I recall correctly, his scans were destroying objects copied into his memory, including carbon life forms. Which is scientifically accurate. The Borg were combining different lifeforms and technology. You could see how the Vger's original order to Borg drones would evolve from copying to assimilating, especially with self-aware queen.
adaseth 7 months ago
@PluralOfEverything that's the story of Star Trek 1.
ClemyNX 7 months ago
@PluralOfEverything It was more that V'Ger, with all of its power and knowledge, couldn't conceive that carbon based lifeforms, which were inferior to it in so many ways, were its creator. It thought that its creator was akin to itself, a machine lifeform but far more powerful. The "Legacy" explanation for the Borg was so flipping flawed I had to check to make sure that George Lucas didn't write it or something.
Fbueller129 6 months ago
@PluralOfEverything
V'ger is a Douche bag.
lordpatthethird 5 months ago
@PluralOfEverything no it thought all carbon based life was keeping the creator from comunicating with V GER so it decided to destroy life in earth to comunicate with it, the story of how the borg were made is in the movie (Star Treck The Motion Picture)
legonatter105 5 months ago