Man, i saved these videos to my hard drive so when you delete your channel i'll have some great comedy. I love the touch of the aluminum foils as heat exchangers lol
When I am finished with the actual product you will understand what the purpose of the radiant heating device was used for demonstration purposes. I am going to be using copper plumbing with a micro-torch heating water and pumping it through radiators creating heat.
It was a lot warmer inside the garage at 35° compared to to 10° on the outside. To think about on the top my garage roof has 6 roof vents and the overhanging also has vents allowing for a lot of the heat to escape and no insulation on the side or the roof. Even though all that from the first experiment I say it did halfway decent after running one hour.
Just a reminder to those in this discussion he is using "Acetone" in the bubbler to increase the BTU's of the flame (Reason for the nice blue flame) This is also helpful to slow the burn speed of hho, something to remember if you can't crank you timing back far enough when using hho on your car.
Don't read me the wrong way as I'm behind you 100%. Any experiment is worth discussion and I just want to point out something I see. I can't read your mind on your next steps but if we point out some things on each video it might help guide you on your next step.
The reason for the (steam?)above is - cool moist air from the shop is being drawn up the vertical pipe by hot air thermals, air is heated, then recondenses in horizontal pipe. Your vertical pipe has a hot spot of around 400 degrees and your horizontal pipe cools from the vertical elbow (250-300) down to (90-80) at the open elbow. The vapor you are seeing is no more than WARM MOIST AIR giving up its thermal properties to the surrounding cold air.
Re:Your point of view regarding the air being drawn up the pipe and across the pipe and out. Regarding the HHO gas is converted back to water off the process of the fire. In other demonstrations using a welding torch tip you can see the water converted and condensing after the fire touches a metal object. If I was to use a propane torch and shoot the fire up the pipe I can almost guarantee you would not see steam coming out the other end when everything is fully heated up.
I have know doubt your getting some re-formation. The point you made about the propane torch up the pipe would make a good comparison and be real easy and low cost for you to test. I'd be interested in the results.
I wouldn't get to overly excited over the steam as it's cold steam as to say, cold air being drawn over a warm surface. We all have experienced this with steam coming off your breathe on cold days, and persons wearing glasses notice this by their glasses steaming up when entering a warm home on cold days. Could you do a test to compare temperature rise in your shop between your hho system and a 1000 watt elec. space heater over an hours use to compare wattage use.
If you were paying attention in the video I was using a laser temperature gauge and the steam temperature was not cold coming out it was HOT. Regarding the space heater it would have to be a Non-Fan space heater equal to what I am demonstrating. I do have a space heater that is a oil filled radiator that will be done next time for comparison on this scarecrow show live.
You are totally wrong in your statement regarding the process. HHO gas that I ran in a engine when the temperature was 90° outside and the only outcome of the exhaust temperature after the HHO gas was consumed in the engine was water vapors. Explain that one. I will be doing a simple demonstration again using a propane torch fossil fuel gas and the only outcome you will see is heat and pollutants in the air.
Yes your correct on the ICE, however some of the water vapor you seen is from moist air being drawn in from your final bubbler as all bubblers using water give up some moisture. Try adding 100% alcohol to your final bubbler and test again on a 90 degree day.
It is not my discussion, so I have no business interfering, but I do have a question.
Why do you not believe that the steam that is coming out is real heat?
I can ensure you that a small HHO flame pointed at any metal can produce a lot of heat. When the flame touches the inner wall from the pipe condense is formed. You can see the temp from the pipe, any water touching the pipe will become hot steam. The steam will cool down a bit with this setup, but it's still steam.
Not that much moist is in his shed, and when it is freezing we all know that the air does not contain a lot of moist. The air that a person would breath out contains way more moist then just normal cold outside air. If his shed would contain that much moist there would me molds all over the place.
If you did then you know that when you point a HHO flame at a cold metal object that a trace of water stays behind on the metal. When you heat up the metal again or long enough then the water will become steam. This is not new, and it doesn't need to be proven again, it is a well known fact.
Part 2 - In the video the flame is shooting straight up the middle of the pipe and the elbow to the horizontal pipe is above the flame by 16 to 20 inches. (Part 2 video shows flame center Part 3 video explains measurements) With no (contained) water to heat all water is from condensation and condensation occurs below the point of live steam.
Part 1 - ( The discussion is about the set up as we see it in the video) I'm sure we will agree that live steam is made when you bring the temperature of water to 212 degrees or more, anything below this is water vapor due to thermal differences between the ambient air temperature and the heated water. In this video there is no water source to be heated. (Continued in part 2)
Part 3 - Do not confuse visible water vapors (So called steam off an open lake on a cold day with live steam from boiling water) Besides we should all know by now that an OPEN HHO FLAME will not boil water, if it did you would not have re-formation. You can test this by pointing your hho torch flame into a glass of water.
And what if both things happen at the same time? Is that possible? I am 100 percent sure that that huge flame is producing water. If it does not come out at the bottom, and it doesn't, then it has to come out at the end of this setup. The flame seems to heat up the pipe and water droplets can be formed above the hot spot and drip down and become steam. Some vapor will not form a droplet and will come out as vapor?
Just postulating some thoughts...I just like a good discussion....
I realize that PJ just started testing this. So we will get the answer eventually. One day there will be serious steam :-))
But I get your point. I am just as excited as anyone else who's watching the progress. So it is fun to look forward to the next video :-)) PJ has a lot of experience and to me looks like a guy who puts a lot of detailed attention to his work and experiments. Lets wait for the next video b4 we start to look like a bunch of girls hahaha
Part 5 - Over a 24 hour time span @ 3 liters per min. you would burn 4320 liters of hho, divide that by 1800 and re-formation would yield you 2.4 liters of water so you can see that most of the water is condensation and that only happens below the boiling point of water. (more in part 6)
Part 4 - YES, I like a good civil discussion too. Yes both are happening but you must remember that hho gas is 1800 times that of water, that means that he would have to burn 1800 liters of hho for it to re-form back to 1 liter of water. In video part 2 @8:20 you can see the pipe dripping at a gravity flow of one drop per second this would yield 5 gallons of water over a 24 hour time span not counting the lost vapor. (More in part 5)
Yes PJ is determined and dedicated that's why I'm posting on his videos, others I just let slide by. He is working on something that interest me HOME HEATING, and other ways to cut the month to month cost of existing in todays world.
Part 6 - Re watch all six parts and you will see that the horizontal pipe 3-6 inches from the vertical elbow has dropped to below the boiling point of water, this is where the condensation starts and keeps cooling to the end elbow where the elbow temp is below 90 degrees. This is why he can put his hand into the vapor without burning himself.
Maybe it makes a difference when the exit hole is a little smaller in diameter. I was thinking that the air has a little more time to heat up, as well as the steam when the diameter is slightly less. Or maybe that you can block the exit a little with some very lose stainless steel wool?
This was my first test and I made it as simple as possible to expand on next time. Thank you for the advice regarding restricting the heat travel time through the pipe.
This is an exciting research , many thanks for your sharing these vids. How much does an EP230 cost? is there an American distributor? You have some really good ideas and I like your flash back arrestor design . I really think this technology can replace natural and lp gas and fuel oil for heat. My dream is to retrofit existing oil and gas heating appliances with hho... I know it is possible. Peace
I wish my garage was warm and toasty. I have no insulation on the roof or the walls. I have four or six roof vents and I also have Eve vents and with all that I have a huge amount of heat loss. But temperature was a lot better in the garage at 35 to 40° than 10° outside. Can you imagine if I had a drop ceiling insulated and walls insulated. My garage door is insulated already. Garage Size 24 X 28.
hi
how much power (watts) used in HHO generator on this demonstration?
thanks
zcsaba77 1 month ago
nice make a wind mill to run your hho heater
rechmoje 1 month ago
Man, i saved these videos to my hard drive so when you delete your channel i'll have some great comedy. I love the touch of the aluminum foils as heat exchangers lol
GOPSpinMachineInOD 10 months ago
watched the video and dont understand the point ?
rintsik 1 year ago
To: rintsik
When I am finished with the actual product you will understand what the purpose of the radiant heating device was used for demonstration purposes. I am going to be using copper plumbing with a micro-torch heating water and pumping it through radiators creating heat.
pjckac1 1 year ago
yes it's steam because the burning of hho turns it back into h2o.
MrPhillerup 1 year ago
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GOWATERFUEL 2 years ago
I have a question: how much warmer is in the garage after all...(do you have some info of the temperature without and with heating)???
ST76296 2 years ago
To:ST76296
It was a lot warmer inside the garage at 35° compared to to 10° on the outside. To think about on the top my garage roof has 6 roof vents and the overhanging also has vents allowing for a lot of the heat to escape and no insulation on the side or the roof. Even though all that from the first experiment I say it did halfway decent after running one hour.
pjckac1 2 years ago
Just a reminder to those in this discussion he is using "Acetone" in the bubbler to increase the BTU's of the flame (Reason for the nice blue flame) This is also helpful to slow the burn speed of hho, something to remember if you can't crank you timing back far enough when using hho on your car.
FabManVideos 2 years ago
Don't read me the wrong way as I'm behind you 100%. Any experiment is worth discussion and I just want to point out something I see. I can't read your mind on your next steps but if we point out some things on each video it might help guide you on your next step.
Great Project ! - Keep After It !
FabManVideos 2 years ago
The reason for the (steam?)above is - cool moist air from the shop is being drawn up the vertical pipe by hot air thermals, air is heated, then recondenses in horizontal pipe. Your vertical pipe has a hot spot of around 400 degrees and your horizontal pipe cools from the vertical elbow (250-300) down to (90-80) at the open elbow. The vapor you are seeing is no more than WARM MOIST AIR giving up its thermal properties to the surrounding cold air.
FabManVideos 2 years ago
To: FabManVideos
Re:Your point of view regarding the air being drawn up the pipe and across the pipe and out. Regarding the HHO gas is converted back to water off the process of the fire. In other demonstrations using a welding torch tip you can see the water converted and condensing after the fire touches a metal object. If I was to use a propane torch and shoot the fire up the pipe I can almost guarantee you would not see steam coming out the other end when everything is fully heated up.
pjckac1 2 years ago
I have know doubt your getting some re-formation. The point you made about the propane torch up the pipe would make a good comparison and be real easy and low cost for you to test. I'd be interested in the results.
FabManVideos 2 years ago
Need to build condenser , and return water to resovior.
llewgnal 2 years ago
To: llewgnal
This was my first test and I made it as simple as possible to expand on next time. Thank you for the advice.
pjckac1 2 years ago
I wouldn't get to overly excited over the steam as it's cold steam as to say, cold air being drawn over a warm surface. We all have experienced this with steam coming off your breathe on cold days, and persons wearing glasses notice this by their glasses steaming up when entering a warm home on cold days. Could you do a test to compare temperature rise in your shop between your hho system and a 1000 watt elec. space heater over an hours use to compare wattage use.
FabManVideos 2 years ago
To: FabManVideos
If you were paying attention in the video I was using a laser temperature gauge and the steam temperature was not cold coming out it was HOT. Regarding the space heater it would have to be a Non-Fan space heater equal to what I am demonstrating. I do have a space heater that is a oil filled radiator that will be done next time for comparison on this scarecrow show live.
pjckac1 2 years ago
After watching the video again I have to stay with my first statment; "This is cold steam"
At mark: 1:37 your hand is within 1 inch of the steam.
At mark: 1:47 your hand is steaming.
At mark: 1:55 paper is teaming.
At mark: 3:23 your glasses "FOG".
Read my new comment above.
FabManVideos 2 years ago
To: FabManVideos
You are totally wrong in your statement regarding the process. HHO gas that I ran in a engine when the temperature was 90° outside and the only outcome of the exhaust temperature after the HHO gas was consumed in the engine was water vapors. Explain that one. I will be doing a simple demonstration again using a propane torch fossil fuel gas and the only outcome you will see is heat and pollutants in the air.
pjckac1 2 years ago
Yes your correct on the ICE, however some of the water vapor you seen is from moist air being drawn in from your final bubbler as all bubblers using water give up some moisture. Try adding 100% alcohol to your final bubbler and test again on a 90 degree day.
FabManVideos 2 years ago
@FabManVideos
It is not my discussion, so I have no business interfering, but I do have a question.
Why do you not believe that the steam that is coming out is real heat?
I can ensure you that a small HHO flame pointed at any metal can produce a lot of heat. When the flame touches the inner wall from the pipe condense is formed. You can see the temp from the pipe, any water touching the pipe will become hot steam. The steam will cool down a bit with this setup, but it's still steam.
insAneTunA 2 years ago
Not that much moist is in his shed, and when it is freezing we all know that the air does not contain a lot of moist. The air that a person would breath out contains way more moist then just normal cold outside air. If his shed would contain that much moist there would me molds all over the place.
I think you make a mistake FabManVideos.
insAneTunA 2 years ago
@FabManVideos
Have you ever had a HHO torch in your hands?
If you did then you know that when you point a HHO flame at a cold metal object that a trace of water stays behind on the metal. When you heat up the metal again or long enough then the water will become steam. This is not new, and it doesn't need to be proven again, it is a well known fact.
insAneTunA 2 years ago
Part 2 - In the video the flame is shooting straight up the middle of the pipe and the elbow to the horizontal pipe is above the flame by 16 to 20 inches. (Part 2 video shows flame center Part 3 video explains measurements) With no (contained) water to heat all water is from condensation and condensation occurs below the point of live steam.
FabManVideos 2 years ago
Part 1 - ( The discussion is about the set up as we see it in the video) I'm sure we will agree that live steam is made when you bring the temperature of water to 212 degrees or more, anything below this is water vapor due to thermal differences between the ambient air temperature and the heated water. In this video there is no water source to be heated. (Continued in part 2)
FabManVideos 2 years ago
Part 3 - Do not confuse visible water vapors (So called steam off an open lake on a cold day with live steam from boiling water) Besides we should all know by now that an OPEN HHO FLAME will not boil water, if it did you would not have re-formation. You can test this by pointing your hho torch flame into a glass of water.
FabManVideos 2 years ago
@FabManVideos
And what if both things happen at the same time? Is that possible? I am 100 percent sure that that huge flame is producing water. If it does not come out at the bottom, and it doesn't, then it has to come out at the end of this setup. The flame seems to heat up the pipe and water droplets can be formed above the hot spot and drip down and become steam. Some vapor will not form a droplet and will come out as vapor?
Just postulating some thoughts...I just like a good discussion....
insAneTunA 2 years ago
part 2...
I realize that PJ just started testing this. So we will get the answer eventually. One day there will be serious steam :-))
But I get your point. I am just as excited as anyone else who's watching the progress. So it is fun to look forward to the next video :-)) PJ has a lot of experience and to me looks like a guy who puts a lot of detailed attention to his work and experiments. Lets wait for the next video b4 we start to look like a bunch of girls hahaha
Greets, iT
insAneTunA 2 years ago
Part 5 - Over a 24 hour time span @ 3 liters per min. you would burn 4320 liters of hho, divide that by 1800 and re-formation would yield you 2.4 liters of water so you can see that most of the water is condensation and that only happens below the boiling point of water. (more in part 6)
FabManVideos 2 years ago
Part 4 - YES, I like a good civil discussion too. Yes both are happening but you must remember that hho gas is 1800 times that of water, that means that he would have to burn 1800 liters of hho for it to re-form back to 1 liter of water. In video part 2 @8:20 you can see the pipe dripping at a gravity flow of one drop per second this would yield 5 gallons of water over a 24 hour time span not counting the lost vapor. (More in part 5)
FabManVideos 2 years ago
Yes PJ is determined and dedicated that's why I'm posting on his videos, others I just let slide by. He is working on something that interest me HOME HEATING, and other ways to cut the month to month cost of existing in todays world.
FabManVideos 2 years ago
Part 6 - Re watch all six parts and you will see that the horizontal pipe 3-6 inches from the vertical elbow has dropped to below the boiling point of water, this is where the condensation starts and keeps cooling to the end elbow where the elbow temp is below 90 degrees. This is why he can put his hand into the vapor without burning himself.
FabManVideos 2 years ago
Maybe it makes a difference when the exit hole is a little smaller in diameter. I was thinking that the air has a little more time to heat up, as well as the steam when the diameter is slightly less. Or maybe that you can block the exit a little with some very lose stainless steel wool?
insAneTunA 2 years ago
To:insAneTunA
This was my first test and I made it as simple as possible to expand on next time. Thank you for the advice regarding restricting the heat travel time through the pipe.
pjckac1 2 years ago
This is an exciting research , many thanks for your sharing these vids. How much does an EP230 cost? is there an American distributor? You have some really good ideas and I like your flash back arrestor design . I really think this technology can replace natural and lp gas and fuel oil for heat. My dream is to retrofit existing oil and gas heating appliances with hho... I know it is possible. Peace
eddiefreddie39 2 years ago
Water is a good heat conductor. Probably therefore HHO can heat up things so good :-)
2550osiosterdalen 2 years ago
I bet that garage is nice an toasty.
HHO4ALL 2 years ago
To: HHO4ALL
I wish my garage was warm and toasty. I have no insulation on the roof or the walls. I have four or six roof vents and I also have Eve vents and with all that I have a huge amount of heat loss. But temperature was a lot better in the garage at 35 to 40° than 10° outside. Can you imagine if I had a drop ceiling insulated and walls insulated. My garage door is insulated already. Garage Size 24 X 28.
pjckac1 2 years ago