@thelegendofgoku At first Fard taught them that, Elijah also, Then Fard taught he wasn't Allah in person. Warith Din Muhammad RIP knew he wasn't that's why he was in direct conflict with his father. Warith was sent to Traditional Islamic school and it conflicted with the false teachings of his father Elijah.
@rahim4411 Fard Didn't say he was in fact he told Elijah not to even say that again,He didn't even make Elijah his successor he made his self.I am a Shia Muslim but like to research other beliefs.
@THESCIENTIF777 you can't talk about the Arabic when you don't know it, your knowledge of islam is limited you can't talk to me about it when you don't know. Do you know what the Sahih Sitta is?
@rahim4411 I can expound on the little I know besides Maulana Muhammad Ali breaks alot of things down in Arabic in his translated Qu'ran. Well that is subjective. Besides I've told you my source and you know it yet you continue to babble about what I don't know hhaha. No, I don't.
@THESCIENTIF777 Stop it, just stop! That verse doesn't say that and you know it. it doesn't mean us (BLACKPEOPLE) either, it's talking about a resurrection after the physical body has died stop misintrepreting the Qur'an on intent to beguile people JUST STOP IT.! Tell me what it says in the arabic then! Does the Ahadith contradict it self? You just said you don't read Arabic and again white in Arabic means aluminus a Caucasain man and Arab don't call white they call them Red!
@rahim4411 hahahhahah, says who? There is no such thing as "resurrection after the physical body"!! You are the one misinterpreting it!!! It'll be the same in Arabic just a little more clearer, I suppose. Yes the hadiths do, not the Qu'ran. Yes, that doesn't mean I don't know a Little arabic, I know enough to know the Qu'ran was revealed like a Poem which means it consists of Allegory!! What is your point about Caucasians being Red?
@firstman5555 Misquoted them? LOL are you crazy? I'm the one that gave p. 94 why are you saying it again? I didn't misqoute anyone go back and read what I said. That's why no one likes to talk to you because YOU SEEM OUT OF WACK!
@THESCIENTIFIC777 you know nothing of the History of Islam nor do you know who the people were nor their family progeny or lineage! You are speculating without actual facts and just by me pointing to the direction of what Elijah said shows you don't give sources yet I do, stop using speculation and give documentation! Stop using Caucasian western thinking with Semitic thinking and how they use words in their time. You can't do that, they have different word principles than the west!
@rahim4411 What are you talking about in your first sentence, what people? I know a little more than you figure, my friend. You know who my source is, it's the Messenger, his source was the Almighty Allah whose Proper name is Master Fard Muhammad, he explains this in his teachings, that you ignorantly claim I don't even know? I don't know what you are babbling about in your last paragraph. Oh yea You ever notice Wallace d muhammad didn't believe Mr Fard was Ford?
@TheScientific777 Fard isn't Allah I even have a video where Wallace D Muhammad in front of Farrakhan tells Fard wasn't And this video shows it also. And I have an audio where Farrkhan himself up to date said "WE DON'T FOLLOW THAT OF FARD'S BELIEFS ANYMORE". Now if you can show me 1 VERSE IN THE QUR'AN where it talks about Fard being Allah I will Join you in the NOI! Just 1!!!! FARD IS NOT ALLAH!
@rahim4411 Mr Farrakhan obviously does not believe the Teachings of Messenger Elijah Muhammad as you yourself see!!!! Yes sir, Surah 22, Allah raises the dead which is us(BlackPeople) in America(Great Mystery Babylon).Surah 112 too. Oh yea this is Osdeus777 if you remember. However if you are sincere, you would Listen to the Messenger's lectures to gain true understanding!!! You don't really know Who or What Allah is!!!
@THEScientific777 maybe you need to read more of your teacher's books! If Muhammad of Arabia was a so called white Arab then why did Elijah say 3 different places "MUHAMMAD IS BLACK AND OF THE BLACK NATION?" One of them being in his book called "MESSAGE TO THE BLACKMAN" on page 94! How is it he calls him white once yet black 3 times? Because at that white point he was beguiling the people of NOI. Now out of Elijah's own thoughts he said he was black so now how in the heck is he white? Tell me
@rahim4411 Hahaha, okay. It's obvious it has a meaning, what does Muhammad being apart of the Black nation mean? It could mean because he was from Arabia and not that Caucasus mountains where the devils were sent to, from Mecca!!! But some were hidden by the Original Black arabs and that's where you get your "Pale Arabs" from. Doesn't the your Hadiths say Muhammad was "white"?
@TheScientific777 Hadiths? Yes one does say when Muhammad pbuh lifted up his arm it's reported to have seen a white arm lol Yet there are other Ahadith that said Muhammad pbuh was DARK, jet dark! And Al Jahiz 2 centuries born after the Prophet knows the history of Muhammad and made it plain and simple Muhammad was Dark. Again White in Arabic don't mean the same in Western definition, if you had knowledge you would know that. A caucasian in Arab is "RED" not White! LOL
@rahim4411 Okay so now we have conflicting information within your hadiths or hadeeths? Well sir, I was reading english because I don't know arabic and in English, White means Light Skin and other things that are obviously false. Don't tell me about the context of words, it's very obvious to me when someone is referred to as white in a certain context. Because in English white also means "Pure" and "Good" while Black is the contrary!!!!
@rahim4411 *) You misquoted THEM ( The Messenger of Allah) again brother...In the Message To The Blackman, pg. 94, it reads "Muhammad an Arab, was a member of the black nation." Rahim4411 quote The Hon. Elijah Muhammad right please. Black Power!
@TheScientific777 "quote our Messenger do it correctly and Honestly!!!! He didn't say " Not That White man of 1400 years ago" He said He was a White man meaning Pale Arab, which He was"
First off you're the one misquoting him, I have audio of it do you want me to show it? Plus go to "THEOLOGY OF TIME " by Elijah on page 3 and he said "that white man of 1400 years" ago. Now you're telling me Muhammad was a so called white man?
@rahim4411 He says "I'm the Muhammad of your Holy Qu'ran; not the Muhammad that was here 1,400 years ago. I am the one of whom the Holy Qu'ran is referring.The Muhammad that was here 1,400 years ago was a white man" You said He said "not that white man of 1,400..." Okay. He wasn't a Caucasian but like now a "Pale" Arab. The Original Ones are and were ALL Black skinned!!
@TheScientific777 what in the heck are you talking about bro? Elijah said what he said, so he could proclaim to be the Muhammad of the Qur'an that's why he said "I AM THE ONE WHOM THE HOLY QUR'AN IS TALKING ABOUT...." which is a LIE! The Qur'an never said anything about Elijah Muhammad because Elijah was not born and didn't write the Qur'an, Muhammad of 1,400 years ago in Arabia did Muhammad ibn Abdullah Mustafah Al-Amin wrote the Qur'an point blank!
@rahim4411 You know what Im talking about don't play dumb with me, you misquoted the Messenger and I proved it, simple!!! Just be a Man and admit your mistakes? Well that's what YOU believe is a "lie", I believe otherwise, everyone knows the Messenger wasn't born yet and why would someone think he wrote it? Bro, the Qu'ran wasn't even in Book form when Muhammad Ibn Abdullah was living. Besides doesn't it teach it was Revealed to him? Can't you see your flaws, sir?
Rahim4411-Love yourself and your kind. Let us refrain from doing evil to each other, and let us love each other as brothers, as we are the same flesh and blood. In this way, you and I will not have any trouble in uniting. It is a fool who does not love himself and his people. Your black skin is the best, and never try changing its color. Stay away from intermixing with your slave -master's children. Love yourself and your kind.
*) Bro. Rahim4411-You say of yourself, "I love everybody. " This cannot be true. Love for self comes first. "Love the brotherhood", "Love one another". Love of self comes first. The one who loves everybody is the one who does not love anyone. This is the false teaching of the Christians for the Christians war against Christians.They have the Bible so twisted by adding in and taking out of the truth that it takes only God or one whom God has given the knowledge of the Book to understand it.
*) A.S.A. Bro. Rahim4411-One of the greatest handicaps among the so-called Negroes is that there is no love for self, nor love for his or her own kind. This not having love for self is the root cause of hate (dislike), disunity, disagreement, quarreling, betraying, stool pigeons and fighting and killing one another. How can you be loved, if you have not love for self? And your own nations and dislike being a member of your own, then what nation will trust your love and membership.
- In order not to follow him to his destruction I must be able to recognize him so that he won't be able to deceive me. "We must get down to the facts so that we can recognize them when they are presented to us. But you never questioned the first teacher. Shouldn't we be fair about this?' Let us go after the thing right!
*) A.S.A. Bro. Rahim4411-The prophets have warned us of a time that would come when God would judge the wicked and punish, or rather destroy, the wicked and give the earth over to the rule of a righteous people. So many of us have misunderstood just what we should expect. What will God look like if we expect the destruction of the devil, what will the devil look like? How will I distinguish him? If the devils should be destroyed, what does that devil look like?
but we did not know it until His coming to judge the world. For instance, if we take God for something other than a man (not the man devil), we cannot prove it. If we believe that He Is a spirit and not a man, then we can never expect to have any knowledge of Him except by the sense of feel. We cannot see a spirit; therefore, the teachings of His coming would be false. The spirit of life is and has been with us all of our lives. God is in person among us today. He is a man, He is in His time.
Since Allah's work is to destroy the wicked. He must remain hidden from the eyes of the world until the time is ripe (the end), for the two (God and devil) cannot rule together.The Son of man (Allah) must wait until His time, after the works of the devil. (II Thessalonians 2:8-9; Holy Our-an 7:14-18). And another place in the Holy Qur'an describes them as the people with the blue eyes. Holy Qur'an 20:102). The reality of God is as clear as the reality of the devil-
Anyone so blind to the reality of God is the servant of the devil, until he or she sees God as a reality. Thousands of years the devil has been blinding man to God's reality, and that is the reason why God had to come in person (and He has), to clear us of such ignorance and blindness to the knowledge of Him.
I have put togeter a three part video detailing the brief life of master fard muhammad. I'm inviting all NOI members and non-members to listen to the information I have put together. To get the complete presentation, I suggest you listen to all three videos.
This guy “mutantz” was a prime example of how truth stands the test of time and falsehood falls by the wayside. He was whipped so badly until he “asked to be blocked”. Most people complain about being blocked. But this moron requested that you block him. LMAO!
@resumebwd lmao now that's funny lol HE ASKED SUBLIMINALLY TO BE BLOCKED lol hahah I said nothing of the sort about blocking, you and he were going at it. LOL Why would I block him? Only time I block is profanity is out of order but if he is telling his opinion I am not going to block him.
@resumebwd I know you dont believe you whipped me even if you claimed it 1000 times! How could you whip me when you proved nothing you said? You made yourself look retarded by misunderstanding the FBI files,thinking Walter D. Fard was the brother of Wallace Ford when actually the FBI beleived this name was another Alias for Wallace. You talked about my spelling but you cant even read! And then you have the nerve to call someone else a moron! WOW!!!! HAHAHA!
@Mutanz are you dumb, deaf and blind? It's W.D. Muhammad RIP not Wesley Muhammad, do you not know the difference in their voices? Look at the pic where you can see WD Muhammad sitting down behind Fard, what is wrong with you? It says nothing about Wesley Muhammad in this video. No wonder you can't comprehend.
@rahim4411 HAHAHAHA!!! I see that rahim4411 and resumebwb are BASIC! How did both of you ignore the video response with Dr Wesley Muhammad? Your best bet is to block me from this channel.
@mutantz I think "Rahim4411" like myself, like seeing you morons make "ASSES" of yourselves. You people are entertainment. I doubt that he'll block your idiotic comments. What a sad group of morons, trying to pretend to be intelligent. You are not fooling nobody but yourselves.
@mutantz NO you want me to block you so you will have an excuse, but I will not block you. Dr Wesley is WRONG about Fard, I have already studied all this, and Fard is not Allah in Person. And how can you ignore the Qur'an which Elijah told you was the best book for the black man? Wesley is not above Allah, and if the Qur'an says Allah can not be born here on earth with parents how do you equate that? Fard and Ford and whatever alias is the SAME PERSON! Wesley left out a lot!
@mutantz If Fard was Allah in person he himself surely couldn't spell! He was a con man, and a criminal in his young age, how come you ignored my videos showing where WD Muhammad in front of Farrakhan knew Fard wasn't Allah in person? How come you ignore brother Aton's videos on the matter?
@mutantz BASIC? what's wrong with being basic? It beats being an idiot any day. Riddle me this, if the white man is the devil, howbeitso that Fard who has a German Hair cut and looks white be the leader of your cult? Why couldn't the man look dark like say Khalid Muhammad? RIP. It would be more believable then!
Simply put, he's a moron! The sad part is; he doesn't realize he's a moron. He think he's smart and intelligent. That's what that crazy NOI "teachings" do to them. It gives them a false sense of superiority.
@resumebwd They run around talking about people believing in a mystery god when they themselves believe in Elijah's hoax and mystery. They are delusional on a high level! What they practice is not Islam, but they use remnants of Islam, Christianity, Black Activism and Masonry which makes it a cult. Most of them don't even know their own NOI history or background of their teacher. They call the so called white man the devil yet Fard looks white! lol SMH
@resumebwd LOL I just told him, he probably still won't get it. I remember when I was telling people in the NOI Elijah Muhammad was a mason, they kept saying no, until Recently I busted them with their own book where Elijah said he was a Mason and taught the FOI it. Now they have nothing to say lol That's why they dress and use Questions and Answers, and their Flag is even from the Masons, I put up the video I don't get anymore flack from them lol
Yes the proof of Fard and Ford being the same person is from archived public records from Portland, Or, Los Angeles, Ca, Detroit ,Mi, Chicago, Ill., San Quentin prison records, photographs, and fingerprints which all can be verified under the “Freedom of Information Act.
@resumebwd This FBI investigation was one of the most expensive for a non criminal, so why did they do it? Hoover said we cant allow the emergence of a black messiah. Since they couldnt allow a black Messiah to emerge would they be willing to lie and falsify information? Offcourse they would and we both know that its been proven that they did. So why act as if this already shaky information is to be taken seriously when its obviously a smear campaign? Your not that dumb!
Sir, ma’am or whatever, you are so misinformed. When Hazel Ford came forward with proof that Ford and Fard was the same person, Elijah immediately dropped the mater and he never mentioned it again.
He made a bluff with a check, but in fact, he had never placed the money in escrow. He claimed he was going to sue the newspaper for slandering. That was a bluff also. He never did that either.
@mutantz Elijah lied to the NOI and said "I AM THE MUHAMMAD OF THE QURAN NOT THAT WHITE ARAB OF ARABIA". That was a lie, Elijah is no where in the Qur'an, and Elijah changed his name from Elijah Poole to Elijah Kareem then to Elijah Muhammad, so he LIED! He made himself the self proclaimed prophet and yall believed it! When the Qur'an clearly states Muhammad, which he had NO LAST NAME was the seal of the prophets and messengers! That was in the 7th century, was Elijah around then? NOPE!
@mutantz What? I have an Audio of Elijah saying this and he said it in his own Book "THEOLOGY OF TIME" page 3! He claimed to be the Elijah of the Bible and the Muhammad of the Qur'an, IMPOSSIBLE! he said himself he is the Muhammad of the Qur'an not Muhammad that was born 1,400 years ago, and he called Muhammad a white man and clearly Dr. Wesley said Muhammad pbuh is DARK AND AFRICAN! I was at the debate here in NYC so Dr. Wesley tried to get slick also, Muhammad pbuh of Arabia was Dark!
@mutantz I can prove Muhammad pbuh was dark, and then Elijah contradicts himslef in the Message of the black man book on page 94 second paragraph that "MUHAMMAD IS OF THE BLACK RACE"!
It seems to me bro you need to read your own teacher's books! How is it that I know this and you don't? Elijah conned the NOI! Again I even have audio of Elijah saying he is the Muhammad of the Qur'an and calling Muhammad pbuh of Arabia WHITE! His own teacher Fard was white!
@mutantz Surely I have pictures of descendants living this very day in Africa of Muhammad pbuh and they are DEEP DARK CHOCOLATE LOOKING! So how in the heck could Muhammad be a so called white man? See how on one hand Elijah contradicts himself in his own books? I'm not the one you wanna play with, and I knew WD Muhammad RIP personally and I have documents from here no one has seen on the matter of all that nonsense of the NOI.
@mutantz It baffles me how outsiders know your cult better than you do, it was designed just like Masonry to beguile gullable people like you, and you sit right there in the stink of it believing and not knowing what the heck you are talking about. do I have to make a video also on this subject that Elijah said he was Muhammad of the Qur'an? Clearly he isn't because his name was Elijah Poole and he changed his name to Muhammad, you do know this right?
@rahim4411 Well thats the spirit soldier, your speaking for yourself like a man. HAHAHA! If you two could serve me, you wouldnt be trying to get off the subject. And yes, Elijah is that Muhammad in the Quran and Bible but When did Elijah say "I AM THE MUHAMMAD OF THE QURAN NOT THAT WHITE ARAB OF ARABIA"?Im just interested in knowing if your a lier that twists things or if you can prove what you say.
@mutantz I tell you this not with your speculation but with documentation show me where in the Qur'an it says Elijah Muhammad is the one that was talked about in the Quran and I will become NOI tomorrow and I will show everyone on youtube! See you can't prove it I can with people saying he isn't, history, logic and by the Qur'an. Elijah is a self proclaimed messenger, he is not the messenger of Allah! now prove it!
--->" NOI PRACTICING MASONRY, ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY PART 2 " (put that in the U TUBE SEARCHER) Not one NOI personnel came forth to prove that wrong because they can't! ELIJAH SAID IT HIMSELF! So if you go against that then I know you're a nut case!
There is also a WWI draft card on file at the National Archives which houses “authentic” historical documents such as the Constitution of the United States. This draft card is dated June 15, 1917 for Wallie Dodd Fard, where someone with a different handwriting in 1917 wrote “FORD” in parenthesis next to the last name “FARD” long before Wali Dodd Fard concocted the Nation of Islam.
You moron, before a document is housed and displayed in the Nat’l Archives Bldg., it is researched vigorously for its authenticity by professional historians who specialize in the field of AUTHENTICICATION OF DOCUMENTS. Illogical thinking, bad understanding, trouble comprehending, disillusioned, disenchanted, must be prerequisites for being a NOI member.
@resumebwd You cant even understand what you read but want to call someone else a moron! Your a joke, claiming to be an artist(you shouldnt have even attepted that) and comments here but wont reply so that I get no email notification. Trying to save face!
The pictures arent the same, Hazel backs out, and what are the chances that someone else would write a different name on a WWI draft card unless they had an agenda? I doubt you even believe your argument.
For the record, I need to correct you on 1 other thing. The man in the above video speaking is NOT Wesley Muhammad. It is Wallace D. Muhammad, Elijah Muhammad’s son who succeeded Elijah’s leadership in death.
@resumebwd HAHA, Dr Wesley is the man in the video response above, Wallace is Elijahs birth son but thanks anyway! Why do you speak of the FBI cointelpro and others as if they are reliable sources, known to LIE and BLACKMAIL? The phots dont match, if this draft card proved anything the cointelpro would have pointed it out long ago and this is a knew finding by some "HISTORIAN" I got you! Hazel Ford claims that Ford and Fard are the same but turns down $100,000 when asked to prove it.
Idiot, if you read the on-screen wording in the video, it states “In 1993 W. Deen Muhammed declared that W D Fard…and so on”. Warith Deen Muhammed is the name Wallace D Muhammad changed his name to before he died. Moron, Wesley Muhammad is not mentioned nowhere in this video.
Damn fool, you have proven to me beyond all doubts that something is seriously wrong with people who call themselves NOI members.
@resumebwd I love it when retards try to call other people dumb! I said Dr Wesley in the "VIDEO RESPONSE" "VIDEO RESPONSE"
Hazel claimed to be able to prove that Ford was Fard but when Elijah informed her that he wanted to talk about what fard taught the muslims she didnt have anything to say.
@mutantz i don't care if he is the one of the Bible let a christian defend it, I am defending Islam and I have shown that NOI is not following the Islam that Muhammad saws of Arabia taught and are not following Qur'an!
@rahim4411 claimed Elijah said""I AM THE MUHAMMAD OF THE QURAN NOT THAT WHITE ARAB OF ARABIA" I asked youto show proof and you refussed so I take it your a liar. Leave the battle to the big boys. Maybe I was wrong and it is best youhave someoneelse talk for you.
@mutantz Peace, I don't know if you can't read or comprehend, but I already told you the PROOF that Elijah said this. I told you when I said it that he said it in an audio piece which I have and in his own book called :"The Theology of Time" on page 3. YOu don't need to audio because he said it in his own book. YOu as a follower should know this because you read his books right? You're not considered as a big boy you are to ignorant to discuss your own belief! You're not maybe wrong U R WRONG!
@rahim4411 I havent revealed what I know, I was just exposing your deceptive technique. Elijah didnt refer to Prophet Muhammad of 1400 yrs ago in the condescending
manner that you misquoted him as saying. Prophet Muhammad of 1400 yrs ago isnt the fullfillment of prophecy nor was the name "Muhammad" originated by that prophet. Meanwhile your buddy resumebwd acknowledged that W D Muhammad was lying when he claimed the actor in this video was Fard.
@mutantz YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING! All you have been doing is saying wrong things! Elijah said "I AM THE MUHAMMAD OF THE QURAN NOT THAT WHITE MAN OF 1400 YEARS AGO", What part of that don't you understand? Anyone watching knows something is wrong with you mentally. Either you're retarded or dumb as a bushel! Muhammad of Arabia is the first Muhammad in history show me a Muhammad before him. Elijah name was Elijah Poole! Not Muhammad, he is self proclaimed messenger !
@rahim4411 If you are going to quote our Messenger do it correctly and Honestly!!!! He didn't say " Not That White man of 1400 years ago" He said He was a White man meaning Pale Arab, which He was. I wonder why Wallace D Ford didn't believe Mr W.D.Fard was Wallace Dodd Ford?
@mutantz ACTOR? Dude this is not a movie of entertainment, this is an actual film on NOI people killing Malcolm X what the heck is you talking about? You're here to cause confusion!
@rahim4411 So are you saying that there is no record of people having the name Muhammad prior to the prophet of 1400yrs ago? And are you saying that the prophet of 1400 yrs ago fullfilled the prophecies mentioned in the Scriptures?
@mutantz Yes, also my main argument is Elijah is not the Muhammad of the Qur'an! All of his prophecies I have, like the one Muhammad pbuh of Arabia said the Muslims would defeat the Byzatines, and they did!
@rahim4411 According to the records gathered by Islamic Historian Ibn Ishaq just to name one, men had the name Muhammad before the prophet was even born! And there is further record suggesting that his birth name may have been Amin not Muhammad(same as Elijah). Further more the man spoken of by all of allahs prophets who would defeat the devil and establish peace on earth, was not the Muhammad of Arabia pbuh.
@mutantz Allah says in the Qur'an Muhammad, coming from the Name Ahmed. This is the man of Arabia 1400 years ago who got the message from Allah in a 23 year span. Don't tell me what Ishaq said, show me these Muhammad's you speak of, where can I find them? Elijah was a liar, the first Muhammad pbuh is the Arab from the Quraish tribe an Arab! Elijah never wrote the Qur'an the Qur'an was already done hundreds of years before he was even born so it couldn't have been him!
@mutantz defeat the devil and establish peace on earth? Then it show aint Elijah either because he is not here and there is still chaos on this earth. If you wanna go there, he had chaos within his on NOI lol get real stop trying to talk in circles, it's not going to work! WHO ARE THESE SO CALLED MUHAMMAD'S? I wanna know their daddy and momma's name, where they were in Arabia what tribe, when they were born etc, if you can't provide that Ishaq sayings is garbage!
@rahim4411 Defeating the devil and establishing peace on earth is the number one characteristic that all the prophets said the final one would have. The Quran uses the name Muhammad 4 times never refering specifically to Ibn Abdullah. Naturally you reject Hadith that doesnt support what you want to believe but where is your proof that prophet Muhammad was the first? Elijah isnt the liar Wallace is and this video proves it. Malcom even later realized Wallace manipulated his relation with Elijah!
@rahim4411 You do know W D Muhammad that you so love and admire joined with Jim Jones dont you? Birds of a feather flock together! And since you follow him what does that say about you? Yet Elijah word is in question? even still I guess we can agree that even if you disagree that Elijah is the fullfillment of prophecyI cantbe Muhammad of 1400 yrs ago either however the scholars of Islam and christianity both agree that the prophecized on would emerge inthis era.
@mutantz i AM IN NEW YORK IF YOU WANT TO DEBATE ME IN PUBLIC WE CAN SET THAT UP, AND SEE HOW MUCH OF A BIG BOY YOU REALLY ARE! no one needs to talk for me I am very articulate to handle my own debates, as I have put this video up and have thousands of NOI personel to trip up on their own mess! the NOI is a Masonic, Islamic, Christianity and black activist cult group, and I have proved that also in my other video! Fard (Fraud) was a con man!
So why did you ask resumebwd to speak for you? Men dont behave that way but punks do! Then from the safety of their online name act as if you are strong enough to speak in public debate. HA! And since you were there you should have told Dr Wesley he pulled a fast one to his face, or use your more popular method and get someone to tell him for you.
@mutantz ARE YOU CRAZY? show me where I asked RESUMBWD to TALK FOR ME! I wasn't even in the convo, you two were debating about Fard, he asked me a question concerning your stupidity saying that in the video I put up was Dr Wesley. You are a nut case!
@mutantz Now stop beating around the bush and show me where Elijah Poole is the Muhammad of the Qur'an! I will personally knock it down with absolute facts he's not right here!
@resumebwd Im confused, did you whip me when you called me a moron? Was it when you misread the FBI files mistaking Walter as the name of the brother of Wallie Dodd? Was it when you didnt realize Dr Wesley was in the VIDEO RESPONSE and I had to keep repeating myself until you got it, was it when you mentioned a WWI darft card with someone elses handwriting of Ford on it?
Assemble a group of your moronic friends, including the jerk that put you up to this and then left you to fend for yourself. Gather around your pc and watch my video on the true history of your god, “master fard muhammad”. If you give the video your undivided attention, you could learn something. youTube “WallaceDFard_1.wmv” when searching youtube, type upper and lower case as is.
@resumebwd 2 be honest, I didnt whip you, however, I did sit back and watch you whip yourself when you proved you cant comprehend what you read, you dont have the mental capacity to grasp what a video response is and you accept WWI draft card with obviously forged hand writting as PROOF! Keep in mind that I know wassup and so do you and anyone who reads our conversation will see that you are trying to act victorious for the sake of your dignity. If that makes you feel better, be my guest!
@mutantz I copied and pasted your dumb comment: you commented "HAHA, Dr Wesley is the man in the video response above, Wallace is Elijahs birth son but thanks anyway". Where do see or here this "Dr. Wesley" guy in "this" video, jackass? I told you, you people are delusional. You see and hear things that do not exist. The teachings of the NOI is designed to attract people exactly like you!
Sir, the point I'm trying to make to you is FORD was not Wallace Dodd Ford's true last name. Historians discovered that his true last name was FARD, WALI DODD "FARD". Of course when Walter was shown Ford/Fard's pic, he didn't know Wallie Dodd Ford, because again, FORD was not his true name. What is your problem? What could I do to prove to you I'm an ARTIST? You name it.
After the FBI linked Wallace D Fard back to Wallace D Ford, based on San Quentin prison records where in the files, Wallace Ford stated that he was born in New Zealand, the FBI assumed his last name was “Ford” and not Fard. Therefore they sent agents to New Zealand in pursuit of anyone with the last name of Ford.
After locating a Ford family in Wellington, New Zealand, FBI agents interviewed a Walter Ford who they thought could have been a relative of “Wallace D Ford”. Walter Ford was shown photographs of Ford/Fard and stated to FBI agents that he was unable to identify the person in the photographs.
@resumebwd Well Ford and his wife Hazel said he was from New Zealand! FBI files located only 1 Ford family that had a member travel to America named Walter D. Ford which was verified by his unidentified brother. When those who knew Ford were shown the Photogragh(Not photographs) of Farad they said "he is not identical." No disrepect but I doubt you draw, such a coincidence is mathematically unlikely.
@mutantz Yes Wallace Ford was from New Zealand, but his last name was not Ford, it was Fard. There is nothing mathematically unlikely for me to be an artist. I may have been an artist before you were. Why does simple things seem so difficult for you to understand? Do have some type of learning or comprehension disability? Is the way I'm presenting information to you beyond your level of understanding?
@resumebwd While you question my comprehension I will point out one last time that the FBI agents didnt locate Walter D. Ford, they located his brother whos name was not given or [unintelligable]. This man said his brother usually went by Walter D. Ford and the FBI considered this just another AKA of Walli Ford. If you dont understand that maybe you shouldnt question my comprehension! By math Im saying the chances are slim that two artist would be discussing this because artist are few IE 1/30.
@resumebwd You said for a while that you can prove that Fard and Ford are the same. I suggest you do it now! But if by proof you mean for example, a WWI draft card that is filled out as Wallie Dodd Fard and someone with differenthand writting wrote in Ford next to it, Im saying your pathetic and the only thing being proven is a smear campaign. Not to mention FBI wouldnthave overlooked this. Its easy to fool fools.
Walter Ford did not state that they were not the same person. He stated that he could not identify the person in the photographs. I have the FBI document where this is stated.
The reason Walter could not identify the person in the photos is because Ford was not Wallace D Ford’s true last name. It was not until the late 1990s that historians and researchers discovered that Wallace Dodd Ford was actually born Wali Dodd Fard.
ALIASES ARE DEFINITELY THE POINT. Aliases are the most important issue here. An alias is what led the FBI on a path, and subsequently locating a family who knew nothing about Wallace D Ford. Wallace D Fard was a “MASTER” at remaking himself with “ALIASES”.
For the record, I am an artist also. A portrait artist, a natural gift I’ve had since the age of 4 YEARS OLD. An artist has a special gift for detail. I can draw and paint with precision, any person, place, or thing I see. If you are truly an artist, and a portrait artist, you would see every detail I pointed out to you. You couldn’t even see the “mole” on Fard’s face in the newspaper. I don’t believe you’re an artist.
Fard is not Allah in person, The Qur'an clearly states in Surah Ihklas 112 "That Allah is One deity, he begetteth not NOR IS HE BEGOTTEN! and there is none LIKE ALLAH! "
That chapter kills any assumption of Fard being Allah in the person, because Fard had parents, Allah doesn't! Fard is not mentioned at all in the Qur'an! It is a kicked up con scheme he made after he left the Moorish Science Temple!
When Fard identified himself the “supreme ruler on earth”, he was thrown in a psychopathic ward for 5 days of observation. And after concluding that he was not insane and only pretending to be a nut, he was ordered out of Detroit & told not to return. That’s what happened to him when he claimed he was “God”.
When this Ford family was located and shown pictures of Wallace Dodd Ford, they did not know him, because Ford’s true name was not Ford. Historians discovered in the late 1990s that Wallie Dodd Ford’s true name was Wali Dodd “Fard”. Master Fard was a “master” at lying. At one point in the FBI’s investigation, they thought his true name was Fred Dodd. This was another alias he used. He used over 58 different aliases.
@resumebwd Aliases are not the point! Ford's New Zealand family was located and shown photographs of both Ford and Fard and they said they are not the same person!
You obviously know more about Ford than his own family, so me the NOI and the Ford family will have to be morons and Im OK with that! Although you should know I am an artist who is paid to draw potraits of people but you have a more detailed eye than me. Cool!
Another con artist by the name of Dr. York had hundreds of aliases also that's why he got in a beef with Elijah Muhammad, guess they were beefing over territory. hmmmmmmmmmmmm
The May 1933 arrest of Fard was not the one time he admitted he was Allah as you claim. It was his Nov 1932 arrest when he stated to Detroit detectives that he was the “supreme ruler on earth” and subsequently thrown in a psychopathic ward for the mentally insane. 5 days later after the psychiatrist concluded that he was not insane and only pretending to be a nut; as a condition for his release, Detroit Police ordered Fard out of Detroit, and he was told to not return.
There is no record of a 1932 mug shot. However, there is a front page newspaper article featuring Fard’s “voodoo” cult and his arrest in Nov. of 1932 along with his photo on page 20. You would have to an absolute moron to not see that the newspaper photo of Fard and any photo of Ford is the same person.
Fard’s nose is long and narrow, not fat and round as in the painting done by Elijah’s grandson. Notice the protruding ears, present in all the photos of Ford, the shape of his dark eyebrows, his thin lips, small chin, and the distinct “mole” on the left side of his nostril, which is also present in every photo of Wallace D Ford. The hairstyle in the newspaper is exactly same as in the 1933 mug shot of Ford/Fard SQ#45138.
The Detroit Free Press stated that Fard was an Arab because he told detectives he was an Arab. They didn’t know what the hell he was. They knew he had a dark complexion. Hazel said Ford had the appearance of a dark skinned Mexican with Caucasian features. Clara, Elijah’s wife said Fard looked like a poor white man. Poor white people look dirty. Their skin looks dirty. This was Clara way of describing Fard’s complexion and Caucasian features.
@muntantz cont.5 Fard said his name was pronounced as Fah-rod. The newspaper printed this particular alias as Wallace Farad. Bear in mind, Fard used over 58 aliases in his brief lifetime. As his situations changed, so did his aliases. Most of the time with just a slight variation of his true name, WALI DODD FARD.
If you will share your email address with me, I will send you send you 3 different photos of Wallace D Ford and 3 different photos of Wallace D Fard and let you make the comparisons.
@resumebwd You got nothin better to talk about than spelling(sign of weakness). Ironically the one time Fard admitted he was Allah the picture has no name Fard nor SQ# in the photo, this is written in with marker 20 years later! And what happened to the 1932 mug shot? The picture of Fard in the Detroit free Press is not the same man as the one in SQ# 45138, 16448 or 56062. In the Free Press Fard is said to be an Arab Notice the Nose and difference in ear trait type.
There are different ID numbers on Fard depending on when he was arrested. The FBI listed him as Wallace Don Fard, their number #56062. When he was arrested in California in 1918 his ID# was 16448 as Wallei Ford. Again in Cal. Jan 20,1926 for drug possession #1797924 as Wallie Ford. San Quentin state prison #42314 as Wallie D Ford. Michigan State Police listed him as Wallace Farad, their number #98076.
Fard was photographed and fingerprinted on 3 different occasions; in 1918 for assault with a deadly weapon, again in 1926 for drug possession, and again in 1933 for investigation as a con man. In each arrest the fingerprints were the same. The FBI stated that all of the above carried the same fingerprints and in all cases he was listed as Caucasian.
Wallie D Ford, Wallei D Ford, W D Ford, W D Fard, Wallace D Ford, Wallace D Fard, Wallace Dodd Ford, Wallie Dodd Fard, Fred Dodd, David Ford-el, Professor Ford, Wali Farad, Wallace Fard Muhammad, and "Master" Fard Muhammad are just a few of the 58 aliases of WALI DODD FARD an ex-convict who founded the Nation of Islam. Professor “Ford” is the alias the FBI used to unravel Wallace D Fard’s hidden past & link him back to Wallace D Ford.
You poor soul, Dodd and Fard was the same person. Show me the FBI document where "the FBI concluded that these were two different people." I have read all 816 pages. The family in New Zealand you're referring to was not named "DODD". That family's name was FORD, which happened not to be Wallace Dodd Ford's true surname. His true surname was "Fard", Wali Dodd Fard alias Master Wallace "Fard" Muhammad alias Wallace D. Fard. The FBI discovered that "Fard" used over 58 different aliases.
Look at this photo of W D Fard. It is the same photo of the ex-convict, Wallace Dodd who Elijah claimed was not Wallace Fard. Observe all the prison photos of Ford. This one is an exact replica of any one of Ford's. This makes Fard a fake. How can you continue to promote his crap?
@resumebwd Your incorrect. The photo in this video is of Dodd not Fard. The FBI concluded that these were two different people, but I guess you are smarter than the FBI. The FBI files also prove that Dodd's family in New Zealand denied the picture of Master Fard Muhammad as their relative. CASE CLOSED!! This video proves that Wallace was a liar. Not to mention, such poor picture quality of this imposter at the rostrum suggest dishonesty. They had color pics in 1993.
@mutantz If you are disagreeing because you refuse to accept the fact that Master Fard Muhammad was a fraud, then I understand. This type of denial is typical for NOI adherents. But if you “truly” believe that “the FBI concluded that these were two different people”, email the document(s) to me (byron.dubois@yahoo.com) and I will post it on the internet. Or you can post it yourself so that all who would like to view your “proof” can do so.
@resumebwd Nope! A fact is what has been proven. Your confusing a fact with a weak sheep like opinion. Fard and Ford are not the same man and even the FBI files acknowledge that. The FBI files documented that Fords family denied the picture of Fard as the same person! Thats a Fact!!!!!!!! You dont have any facts. Since you madethe claim I should be asking you for proof of the FBI files that prove these two are the same. But I will get to work on your challenge and get back with you.
@mutantz I would like to have a telephone debate with you about the true identity of this so-called master Fard Muhammad. My knowledge and research on Fard is too extensive to go back and forth in blog comments. However, I am considering posting a video which you could watch and hopefully learn from.
@mutantz The FBI prepared a Correlation Summary, summarizing the true identity of Fard whereas they gathered an abundance of information and records on him as being a fraud. The only thing the FBI did not have was his body. Judging from the fact that there was no activity recorded on Fard after Sept. of 1933 to April of 1957, the assumption is that he was probably dead when the FBI began its search for Fard’s true identity in 1957.
@resumebwd Come on man! Who cares how much information the FBI gathered if it was never determined who the information was gathered on? That only means that they gathered a bunch useless matter unless they connect it to the man Fard.
@mutantz I do believe that Wallace Muhammed knew a hell-of-a lot more about Fard than you do. After all, as he stated, his father was "misled" by the guy. However, Wallace had an agenda of his own also. He mixed truth and lies just like master Fard Muhammad did, to steer the Original NOI members to Sunni Islam. It's amazing how the majority of American blacks always seem to be "steered" like a herd of cattle.
@resumebwd My point is not what he stated, we know that! The question is, was he being honest? This imposter Fard Muhammad on stage proves that Wallace would go to great lengths to deceive. He told Malcolm that his father was jealous of him, yet Malcolm saw Elijah cry over their split(you dont cry over the fall of those you envy). An analytical man would notice this(pay attention). Wallace stood with Jim Jones!!! I could go on but the point is you havent researched you just accepted heresay!
@mutantz The first picture of Fard is the Detroit police mug shot of Wallace D Fard when he was arrested in 1933. The picture of the old man behind the podium is probably an imposter.
@resumebwd Dont you find it strange this mug shot has no case number except for the number 45138 that was written in later with pen. And every other mug shot of Wallace Dodd Ford has SQ# 42314 in the original picture? That alone should have your antennas up! And I here your statement but the files dont say that. The files show interviews with Fords relatives where they stated they were not the same. But lets not waste any more breath. I will get back with you with page by page proof. Trust me!
@mutantz You did not indicate when the files would be on the way. Tomorrow? Next week? Next year? I could be waiting forever because I know you do not have this so-called "proof". And you know it. Then again maybe you don't know it. You might think you truly have the proof you're commenting about. I'll just have to wait and see what you summit as proof. But in the interim, I can prove every comment I have made at your request.
@resumebwd I ordered a CD rom copy earlier today. I give you my word that as soon as I get it I will get back with you. All that I request you prove is that the man in SQ# 45138 16448 56062 named Ford is Master Fard. As of right know all I have is the quotes from the FBI files made available in Dr Wesley Muhammads(True Islams) New Revised Edition " The Book Of God." Hes the same man speaking in the above video response. Anyway I have acquired a copy of the files for myself and I will see you!
@mutantz I appreciate the follow-up. I will be more than happy to present to you the proof that the man in SQ# 45138 16448 56062 named Ford is Master Fard. I have to retire for the night. I opertate my own business and have to be there bright and early in the morning. I am a man of my word, I will provide the proof to you tomorrow.
@mutantz I am creating a video on the true identity of Fard. However, looks like I'm not gonna finish it today. It should definitely be completed by tomorrow hopefully. All of my proof info will be in the video for the entire YouTube community.
@resumebwd Read it again, I said the 1932 mug shot wasnt present. I find it strange that this mug shot mysteriously disappeared(or was destroyed) at a time when he identified himself as Allah. What is also funny is that when Fords family was located in New Zealand, they admitted that the pictures of Ford and Fard were not the same person FBI Files December 7 1962. HAHA, I guess you know more about Ford than his own family and you recognize him when they didnt.
@resumebwd we point to the ears eyebrows, lips,chin, and the distinct “mole” on the left side of his nostril, which is also present in every photo of Wallace D Ford."I dont believe you pay close attention to detail when it comes to facial traits. By that simple logic the 3 men in the Free Detroit Press are twins, No mole evident and his right ear is flared at the top and bottom while Fords ears flare at the top but taper at the bottom.
@mutantz You people live in a fantacy world of make-believe and denial. Like I said, you would have to be a complete moron not to see the characteristics I pointed out. I dont like being blunt like this, but someting is seriously wrong with people who call themselves Nation of Islam members.
Let me try to help you with your English for future endeavors. “Your” means “ownership. “You’re” is the conjoint of “YOU ARE”. So, the next time you’re attempting to describe a person’s state of being, the correct usage is YOU’RE not “YOUR”. Again, this is typical of NOI adherents. Most are semi-literates, which accounts for their inability to understand the basic English in the FBI files on Fard, or, for that matter, on anything.
I admire a lot of things Wallace said. But to say that he "knows for a fact that Fard repented what he had done" is totally out of order. Fard disappeared the same year he was born (1933) or the year after. And has not been seen or heard from since. So how can Wallace Muhammad make such a statement. Wallace had an agenda aslo that he was trying to push off on gullible blacks.
I noticed from various videos how that WD MUHAMMAD could at times be somewhat two faced. In this video he acknowledges the false teachings of this so-called Master Fard Muhammad...but in another video i saw him seated next to Farrakhan and he did no such thing. It seems like he danced around the issue and talked in not so clear terms. This should be a clear sign to those who follow the NOI that it is a very unstable org and full of deceptions. They taught hate and anger to the Black man.
did Wallace F Muhammad declare that he is Allah (astaghfirullah) ? or this claim was first made by Elijah Muhammad ?
thelegendofgoku 1 month ago 2
@thelegendofgoku At first Fard taught them that, Elijah also, Then Fard taught he wasn't Allah in person. Warith Din Muhammad RIP knew he wasn't that's why he was in direct conflict with his father. Warith was sent to Traditional Islamic school and it conflicted with the false teachings of his father Elijah.
rahim4411 1 month ago
@rahim4411 Fard Didn't say he was in fact he told Elijah not to even say that again,He didn't even make Elijah his successor he made his self.I am a Shia Muslim but like to research other beliefs.
sincere7moe 2 days ago
elijah was a murdering pervert
MrPersia23 2 months ago
@MrPersia23 Yes! he was a businessman and thats what the Nation of islam actually is!
apmirkin 1 month ago
@apmirkin agree thats why malcolm left
MrPersia23 1 month ago
@MrPersia23 thank you
apmirkin 1 month ago
@THESCIENTIF777 you can't talk about the Arabic when you don't know it, your knowledge of islam is limited you can't talk to me about it when you don't know. Do you know what the Sahih Sitta is?
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 I can expound on the little I know besides Maulana Muhammad Ali breaks alot of things down in Arabic in his translated Qu'ran. Well that is subjective. Besides I've told you my source and you know it yet you continue to babble about what I don't know hhaha. No, I don't.
TheScientific777 2 months ago
@THESCIENTIF777 Stop it, just stop! That verse doesn't say that and you know it. it doesn't mean us (BLACKPEOPLE) either, it's talking about a resurrection after the physical body has died stop misintrepreting the Qur'an on intent to beguile people JUST STOP IT.! Tell me what it says in the arabic then! Does the Ahadith contradict it self? You just said you don't read Arabic and again white in Arabic means aluminus a Caucasain man and Arab don't call white they call them Red!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 hahahhahah, says who? There is no such thing as "resurrection after the physical body"!! You are the one misinterpreting it!!! It'll be the same in Arabic just a little more clearer, I suppose. Yes the hadiths do, not the Qu'ran. Yes, that doesn't mean I don't know a Little arabic, I know enough to know the Qu'ran was revealed like a Poem which means it consists of Allegory!! What is your point about Caucasians being Red?
TheScientific777 2 months ago
@firstman5555 Misquoted them? LOL are you crazy? I'm the one that gave p. 94 why are you saying it again? I didn't misqoute anyone go back and read what I said. That's why no one likes to talk to you because YOU SEEM OUT OF WACK!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@THESCIENTIFIC777 you know nothing of the History of Islam nor do you know who the people were nor their family progeny or lineage! You are speculating without actual facts and just by me pointing to the direction of what Elijah said shows you don't give sources yet I do, stop using speculation and give documentation! Stop using Caucasian western thinking with Semitic thinking and how they use words in their time. You can't do that, they have different word principles than the west!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 What are you talking about in your first sentence, what people? I know a little more than you figure, my friend. You know who my source is, it's the Messenger, his source was the Almighty Allah whose Proper name is Master Fard Muhammad, he explains this in his teachings, that you ignorantly claim I don't even know? I don't know what you are babbling about in your last paragraph. Oh yea You ever notice Wallace d muhammad didn't believe Mr Fard was Ford?
TheScientific777 2 months ago
@TheScientific777 Fard isn't Allah I even have a video where Wallace D Muhammad in front of Farrakhan tells Fard wasn't And this video shows it also. And I have an audio where Farrkhan himself up to date said "WE DON'T FOLLOW THAT OF FARD'S BELIEFS ANYMORE". Now if you can show me 1 VERSE IN THE QUR'AN where it talks about Fard being Allah I will Join you in the NOI! Just 1!!!! FARD IS NOT ALLAH!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 Mr Farrakhan obviously does not believe the Teachings of Messenger Elijah Muhammad as you yourself see!!!! Yes sir, Surah 22, Allah raises the dead which is us(BlackPeople) in America(Great Mystery Babylon).Surah 112 too. Oh yea this is Osdeus777 if you remember. However if you are sincere, you would Listen to the Messenger's lectures to gain true understanding!!! You don't really know Who or What Allah is!!!
TheScientific777 2 months ago
@THEScientific777 maybe you need to read more of your teacher's books! If Muhammad of Arabia was a so called white Arab then why did Elijah say 3 different places "MUHAMMAD IS BLACK AND OF THE BLACK NATION?" One of them being in his book called "MESSAGE TO THE BLACKMAN" on page 94! How is it he calls him white once yet black 3 times? Because at that white point he was beguiling the people of NOI. Now out of Elijah's own thoughts he said he was black so now how in the heck is he white? Tell me
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 Hahaha, okay. It's obvious it has a meaning, what does Muhammad being apart of the Black nation mean? It could mean because he was from Arabia and not that Caucasus mountains where the devils were sent to, from Mecca!!! But some were hidden by the Original Black arabs and that's where you get your "Pale Arabs" from. Doesn't the your Hadiths say Muhammad was "white"?
TheScientific777 2 months ago
@TheScientific777 Hadiths? Yes one does say when Muhammad pbuh lifted up his arm it's reported to have seen a white arm lol Yet there are other Ahadith that said Muhammad pbuh was DARK, jet dark! And Al Jahiz 2 centuries born after the Prophet knows the history of Muhammad and made it plain and simple Muhammad was Dark. Again White in Arabic don't mean the same in Western definition, if you had knowledge you would know that. A caucasian in Arab is "RED" not White! LOL
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 Okay so now we have conflicting information within your hadiths or hadeeths? Well sir, I was reading english because I don't know arabic and in English, White means Light Skin and other things that are obviously false. Don't tell me about the context of words, it's very obvious to me when someone is referred to as white in a certain context. Because in English white also means "Pure" and "Good" while Black is the contrary!!!!
TheScientific777 2 months ago
@rahim4411 *) You misquoted THEM ( The Messenger of Allah) again brother...In the Message To The Blackman, pg. 94, it reads "Muhammad an Arab, was a member of the black nation." Rahim4411 quote The Hon. Elijah Muhammad right please. Black Power!
firstman5555 2 months ago
@TheScientific777 "quote our Messenger do it correctly and Honestly!!!! He didn't say " Not That White man of 1400 years ago" He said He was a White man meaning Pale Arab, which He was"
First off you're the one misquoting him, I have audio of it do you want me to show it? Plus go to "THEOLOGY OF TIME " by Elijah on page 3 and he said "that white man of 1400 years" ago. Now you're telling me Muhammad was a so called white man?
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 He says "I'm the Muhammad of your Holy Qu'ran; not the Muhammad that was here 1,400 years ago. I am the one of whom the Holy Qu'ran is referring.The Muhammad that was here 1,400 years ago was a white man" You said He said "not that white man of 1,400..." Okay. He wasn't a Caucasian but like now a "Pale" Arab. The Original Ones are and were ALL Black skinned!!
TheScientific777 2 months ago
@TheScientific777 what in the heck are you talking about bro? Elijah said what he said, so he could proclaim to be the Muhammad of the Qur'an that's why he said "I AM THE ONE WHOM THE HOLY QUR'AN IS TALKING ABOUT...." which is a LIE! The Qur'an never said anything about Elijah Muhammad because Elijah was not born and didn't write the Qur'an, Muhammad of 1,400 years ago in Arabia did Muhammad ibn Abdullah Mustafah Al-Amin wrote the Qur'an point blank!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 You know what Im talking about don't play dumb with me, you misquoted the Messenger and I proved it, simple!!! Just be a Man and admit your mistakes? Well that's what YOU believe is a "lie", I believe otherwise, everyone knows the Messenger wasn't born yet and why would someone think he wrote it? Bro, the Qu'ran wasn't even in Book form when Muhammad Ibn Abdullah was living. Besides doesn't it teach it was Revealed to him? Can't you see your flaws, sir?
TheScientific777 2 months ago
Rahim4411-Love yourself and your kind. Let us refrain from doing evil to each other, and let us love each other as brothers, as we are the same flesh and blood. In this way, you and I will not have any trouble in uniting. It is a fool who does not love himself and his people. Your black skin is the best, and never try changing its color. Stay away from intermixing with your slave -master's children. Love yourself and your kind.
firstman5555 2 months ago
@firstman5555 SMH!!!!
rahim4411 2 months ago
*) Bro. Rahim4411-You say of yourself, "I love everybody. " This cannot be true. Love for self comes first. "Love the brotherhood", "Love one another". Love of self comes first. The one who loves everybody is the one who does not love anyone. This is the false teaching of the Christians for the Christians war against Christians.They have the Bible so twisted by adding in and taking out of the truth that it takes only God or one whom God has given the knowledge of the Book to understand it.
firstman5555 2 months ago
*) A.S.A. Bro. Rahim4411-One of the greatest handicaps among the so-called Negroes is that there is no love for self, nor love for his or her own kind. This not having love for self is the root cause of hate (dislike), disunity, disagreement, quarreling, betraying, stool pigeons and fighting and killing one another. How can you be loved, if you have not love for self? And your own nations and dislike being a member of your own, then what nation will trust your love and membership.
firstman5555 2 months ago
- In order not to follow him to his destruction I must be able to recognize him so that he won't be able to deceive me. "We must get down to the facts so that we can recognize them when they are presented to us. But you never questioned the first teacher. Shouldn't we be fair about this?' Let us go after the thing right!
firstman5555 2 months ago
*) A.S.A. Bro. Rahim4411-The prophets have warned us of a time that would come when God would judge the wicked and punish, or rather destroy, the wicked and give the earth over to the rule of a righteous people. So many of us have misunderstood just what we should expect. What will God look like if we expect the destruction of the devil, what will the devil look like? How will I distinguish him? If the devils should be destroyed, what does that devil look like?
firstman5555 2 months ago
God sees, hears, knows, wills, acts and is a person (man). The evil workings of the devil MUST come to an end.
firstman5555 2 months ago
but we did not know it until His coming to judge the world. For instance, if we take God for something other than a man (not the man devil), we cannot prove it. If we believe that He Is a spirit and not a man, then we can never expect to have any knowledge of Him except by the sense of feel. We cannot see a spirit; therefore, the teachings of His coming would be false. The spirit of life is and has been with us all of our lives. God is in person among us today. He is a man, He is in His time.
firstman5555 2 months ago
Since Allah's work is to destroy the wicked. He must remain hidden from the eyes of the world until the time is ripe (the end), for the two (God and devil) cannot rule together.The Son of man (Allah) must wait until His time, after the works of the devil. (II Thessalonians 2:8-9; Holy Our-an 7:14-18). And another place in the Holy Qur'an describes them as the people with the blue eyes. Holy Qur'an 20:102). The reality of God is as clear as the reality of the devil-
firstman5555 2 months ago
Anyone so blind to the reality of God is the servant of the devil, until he or she sees God as a reality. Thousands of years the devil has been blinding man to God's reality, and that is the reason why God had to come in person (and He has), to clear us of such ignorance and blindness to the knowledge of Him.
firstman5555 2 months ago
Pull out of the rest of the middle east, now. Why kill our children and burden our tax payers with those who love to hate and murder?
firstman5555 2 months ago
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violence between Sunni and Shi'ite communities killed thousands of people in 2006-07.
firstman5555 2 months ago
the first Muhammad of Arabia is Muhammad ibn Abdullah Mustafah Al-Amin! Do you even know what that whole name means?
rahim4411 2 months ago
I have put togeter a three part video detailing the brief life of master fard muhammad. I'm inviting all NOI members and non-members to listen to the information I have put together. To get the complete presentation, I suggest you listen to all three videos.
google youtube "WallaceDFard_1.wmv"
resumebwd 2 months ago
@rahim4411
This guy “mutantz” was a prime example of how truth stands the test of time and falsehood falls by the wayside. He was whipped so badly until he “asked to be blocked”. Most people complain about being blocked. But this moron requested that you block him. LMAO!
resumebwd 2 months ago
@resumebwd lmao now that's funny lol HE ASKED SUBLIMINALLY TO BE BLOCKED lol hahah I said nothing of the sort about blocking, you and he were going at it. LOL Why would I block him? Only time I block is profanity is out of order but if he is telling his opinion I am not going to block him.
rahim4411 2 months ago
@resumebwd I know you dont believe you whipped me even if you claimed it 1000 times! How could you whip me when you proved nothing you said? You made yourself look retarded by misunderstanding the FBI files,thinking Walter D. Fard was the brother of Wallace Ford when actually the FBI beleived this name was another Alias for Wallace. You talked about my spelling but you cant even read! And then you have the nerve to call someone else a moron! WOW!!!! HAHAHA!
mutantz 2 months ago
@Mutanz are you dumb, deaf and blind? It's W.D. Muhammad RIP not Wesley Muhammad, do you not know the difference in their voices? Look at the pic where you can see WD Muhammad sitting down behind Fard, what is wrong with you? It says nothing about Wesley Muhammad in this video. No wonder you can't comprehend.
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 HAHAHAHA!!! I see that rahim4411 and resumebwb are BASIC! How did both of you ignore the video response with Dr Wesley Muhammad? Your best bet is to block me from this channel.
mutantz 2 months ago
@mutantz I think "Rahim4411" like myself, like seeing you morons make "ASSES" of yourselves. You people are entertainment. I doubt that he'll block your idiotic comments. What a sad group of morons, trying to pretend to be intelligent. You are not fooling nobody but yourselves.
resumebwd 2 months ago
@mutantz NO you want me to block you so you will have an excuse, but I will not block you. Dr Wesley is WRONG about Fard, I have already studied all this, and Fard is not Allah in Person. And how can you ignore the Qur'an which Elijah told you was the best book for the black man? Wesley is not above Allah, and if the Qur'an says Allah can not be born here on earth with parents how do you equate that? Fard and Ford and whatever alias is the SAME PERSON! Wesley left out a lot!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@mutantz If Fard was Allah in person he himself surely couldn't spell! He was a con man, and a criminal in his young age, how come you ignored my videos showing where WD Muhammad in front of Farrakhan knew Fard wasn't Allah in person? How come you ignore brother Aton's videos on the matter?
rahim4411 2 months ago
@mutantz BASIC? what's wrong with being basic? It beats being an idiot any day. Riddle me this, if the white man is the devil, howbeitso that Fard who has a German Hair cut and looks white be the leader of your cult? Why couldn't the man look dark like say Khalid Muhammad? RIP. It would be more believable then!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411
Simply put, he's a moron! The sad part is; he doesn't realize he's a moron. He think he's smart and intelligent. That's what that crazy NOI "teachings" do to them. It gives them a false sense of superiority.
resumebwd 2 months ago
@resumebwd They run around talking about people believing in a mystery god when they themselves believe in Elijah's hoax and mystery. They are delusional on a high level! What they practice is not Islam, but they use remnants of Islam, Christianity, Black Activism and Masonry which makes it a cult. Most of them don't even know their own NOI history or background of their teacher. They call the so called white man the devil yet Fard looks white! lol SMH
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411
You posted this video. Will you please tell the moron, "mutantz" who the voice is in this video?
resumebwd 2 months ago
@resumebwd LOL I just told him, he probably still won't get it. I remember when I was telling people in the NOI Elijah Muhammad was a mason, they kept saying no, until Recently I busted them with their own book where Elijah said he was a Mason and taught the FOI it. Now they have nothing to say lol That's why they dress and use Questions and Answers, and their Flag is even from the Masons, I put up the video I don't get anymore flack from them lol
rahim4411 2 months ago
@mutantz Part 17
Yes the proof of Fard and Ford being the same person is from archived public records from Portland, Or, Los Angeles, Ca, Detroit ,Mi, Chicago, Ill., San Quentin prison records, photographs, and fingerprints which all can be verified under the “Freedom of Information Act.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@resumebwd This FBI investigation was one of the most expensive for a non criminal, so why did they do it? Hoover said we cant allow the emergence of a black messiah. Since they couldnt allow a black Messiah to emerge would they be willing to lie and falsify information? Offcourse they would and we both know that its been proven that they did. So why act as if this already shaky information is to be taken seriously when its obviously a smear campaign? Your not that dumb!
mutantz 2 months ago
@mutantz
Sir, ma’am or whatever, you are so misinformed. When Hazel Ford came forward with proof that Ford and Fard was the same person, Elijah immediately dropped the mater and he never mentioned it again.
He made a bluff with a check, but in fact, he had never placed the money in escrow. He claimed he was going to sue the newspaper for slandering. That was a bluff also. He never did that either.
resumebwd 2 months ago
@resumebwd Ask him why Elijah sex six teenage girls and PUT THEM IN ISOLATION FOR NOTHING! Watch the answer he gives you lol lmao
rahim4411 2 months ago
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@rahim4411 said "Ask him why Elijah sex six teenage girls and PUT THEM IN ISOLATION FOR NOTHING! Watch the answer he gives you lol lmao "
HAHAHA!!! Why not ask me yourself?
mutantz 2 months ago
@resumebwd What proof did Hazel bring forward?
mutantz 2 months ago
@mutantz Elijah lied to the NOI and said "I AM THE MUHAMMAD OF THE QURAN NOT THAT WHITE ARAB OF ARABIA". That was a lie, Elijah is no where in the Qur'an, and Elijah changed his name from Elijah Poole to Elijah Kareem then to Elijah Muhammad, so he LIED! He made himself the self proclaimed prophet and yall believed it! When the Qur'an clearly states Muhammad, which he had NO LAST NAME was the seal of the prophets and messengers! That was in the 7th century, was Elijah around then? NOPE!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 said "Elijah lied to the NOI and said "I AM THE MUHAMMAD OF THE QURAN NOT THAT WHITE ARAB OF ARABIA". That was a lie"
So when or where did he say this quote?
mutantz 2 months ago
@mutantz What? I have an Audio of Elijah saying this and he said it in his own Book "THEOLOGY OF TIME" page 3! He claimed to be the Elijah of the Bible and the Muhammad of the Qur'an, IMPOSSIBLE! he said himself he is the Muhammad of the Qur'an not Muhammad that was born 1,400 years ago, and he called Muhammad a white man and clearly Dr. Wesley said Muhammad pbuh is DARK AND AFRICAN! I was at the debate here in NYC so Dr. Wesley tried to get slick also, Muhammad pbuh of Arabia was Dark!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@mutantz I can prove Muhammad pbuh was dark, and then Elijah contradicts himslef in the Message of the black man book on page 94 second paragraph that "MUHAMMAD IS OF THE BLACK RACE"!
It seems to me bro you need to read your own teacher's books! How is it that I know this and you don't? Elijah conned the NOI! Again I even have audio of Elijah saying he is the Muhammad of the Qur'an and calling Muhammad pbuh of Arabia WHITE! His own teacher Fard was white!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@mutantz Surely I have pictures of descendants living this very day in Africa of Muhammad pbuh and they are DEEP DARK CHOCOLATE LOOKING! So how in the heck could Muhammad be a so called white man? See how on one hand Elijah contradicts himself in his own books? I'm not the one you wanna play with, and I knew WD Muhammad RIP personally and I have documents from here no one has seen on the matter of all that nonsense of the NOI.
rahim4411 2 months ago
@mutantz It baffles me how outsiders know your cult better than you do, it was designed just like Masonry to beguile gullable people like you, and you sit right there in the stink of it believing and not knowing what the heck you are talking about. do I have to make a video also on this subject that Elijah said he was Muhammad of the Qur'an? Clearly he isn't because his name was Elijah Poole and he changed his name to Muhammad, you do know this right?
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 Well thats the spirit soldier, your speaking for yourself like a man. HAHAHA! If you two could serve me, you wouldnt be trying to get off the subject. And yes, Elijah is that Muhammad in the Quran and Bible but When did Elijah say "I AM THE MUHAMMAD OF THE QURAN NOT THAT WHITE ARAB OF ARABIA"?Im just interested in knowing if your a lier that twists things or if you can prove what you say.
mutantz 2 months ago
@mutantz I tell you this not with your speculation but with documentation show me where in the Qur'an it says Elijah Muhammad is the one that was talked about in the Quran and I will become NOI tomorrow and I will show everyone on youtube! See you can't prove it I can with people saying he isn't, history, logic and by the Qur'an. Elijah is a self proclaimed messenger, he is not the messenger of Allah! now prove it!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@mutantz go here to see my video on your cult:
--->" NOI PRACTICING MASONRY, ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY PART 2 " (put that in the U TUBE SEARCHER) Not one NOI personnel came forth to prove that wrong because they can't! ELIJAH SAID IT HIMSELF! So if you go against that then I know you're a nut case!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@mutantz Part 18
There is also a WWI draft card on file at the National Archives which houses “authentic” historical documents such as the Constitution of the United States. This draft card is dated June 15, 1917 for Wallie Dodd Fard, where someone with a different handwriting in 1917 wrote “FORD” in parenthesis next to the last name “FARD” long before Wali Dodd Fard concocted the Nation of Islam.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@mutantz Part 19
You moron, before a document is housed and displayed in the Nat’l Archives Bldg., it is researched vigorously for its authenticity by professional historians who specialize in the field of AUTHENTICICATION OF DOCUMENTS. Illogical thinking, bad understanding, trouble comprehending, disillusioned, disenchanted, must be prerequisites for being a NOI member.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@resumebwd You cant even understand what you read but want to call someone else a moron! Your a joke, claiming to be an artist(you shouldnt have even attepted that) and comments here but wont reply so that I get no email notification. Trying to save face!
The pictures arent the same, Hazel backs out, and what are the chances that someone else would write a different name on a WWI draft card unless they had an agenda? I doubt you even believe your argument.
mutantz 2 months ago
@mutantz Part 20
For the record, I need to correct you on 1 other thing. The man in the above video speaking is NOT Wesley Muhammad. It is Wallace D. Muhammad, Elijah Muhammad’s son who succeeded Elijah’s leadership in death.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@resumebwd HAHA, Dr Wesley is the man in the video response above, Wallace is Elijahs birth son but thanks anyway! Why do you speak of the FBI cointelpro and others as if they are reliable sources, known to LIE and BLACKMAIL? The phots dont match, if this draft card proved anything the cointelpro would have pointed it out long ago and this is a knew finding by some "HISTORIAN" I got you! Hazel Ford claims that Ford and Fard are the same but turns down $100,000 when asked to prove it.
mutantz 2 months ago
@mutantz
Idiot, if you read the on-screen wording in the video, it states “In 1993 W. Deen Muhammed declared that W D Fard…and so on”. Warith Deen Muhammed is the name Wallace D Muhammad changed his name to before he died. Moron, Wesley Muhammad is not mentioned nowhere in this video.
Damn fool, you have proven to me beyond all doubts that something is seriously wrong with people who call themselves NOI members.
resumebwd 2 months ago
@resumebwd I love it when retards try to call other people dumb! I said Dr Wesley in the "VIDEO RESPONSE" "VIDEO RESPONSE"
Hazel claimed to be able to prove that Ford was Fard but when Elijah informed her that he wanted to talk about what fard taught the muslims she didnt have anything to say.
mutantz 2 months ago
@mutantz Give it up Buddy. You're not fooling nobody. We know you're a moron. Just accept it and live with it.
resumebwd 2 months ago
@resumebwd Are you sure you want to exchange numbers and record a debate? Do you honestly think you are sharp enough?
mutantz 2 months ago
@mutantz i don't care if he is the one of the Bible let a christian defend it, I am defending Islam and I have shown that NOI is not following the Islam that Muhammad saws of Arabia taught and are not following Qur'an!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 claimed Elijah said""I AM THE MUHAMMAD OF THE QURAN NOT THAT WHITE ARAB OF ARABIA" I asked youto show proof and you refussed so I take it your a liar. Leave the battle to the big boys. Maybe I was wrong and it is best youhave someoneelse talk for you.
mutantz 2 months ago
@mutantz Peace, I don't know if you can't read or comprehend, but I already told you the PROOF that Elijah said this. I told you when I said it that he said it in an audio piece which I have and in his own book called :"The Theology of Time" on page 3. YOu don't need to audio because he said it in his own book. YOu as a follower should know this because you read his books right? You're not considered as a big boy you are to ignorant to discuss your own belief! You're not maybe wrong U R WRONG!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 I havent revealed what I know, I was just exposing your deceptive technique. Elijah didnt refer to Prophet Muhammad of 1400 yrs ago in the condescending
manner that you misquoted him as saying. Prophet Muhammad of 1400 yrs ago isnt the fullfillment of prophecy nor was the name "Muhammad" originated by that prophet. Meanwhile your buddy resumebwd acknowledged that W D Muhammad was lying when he claimed the actor in this video was Fard.
mutantz 2 months ago
@mutantz YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING! All you have been doing is saying wrong things! Elijah said "I AM THE MUHAMMAD OF THE QURAN NOT THAT WHITE MAN OF 1400 YEARS AGO", What part of that don't you understand? Anyone watching knows something is wrong with you mentally. Either you're retarded or dumb as a bushel! Muhammad of Arabia is the first Muhammad in history show me a Muhammad before him. Elijah name was Elijah Poole! Not Muhammad, he is self proclaimed messenger !
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 If you are going to quote our Messenger do it correctly and Honestly!!!! He didn't say " Not That White man of 1400 years ago" He said He was a White man meaning Pale Arab, which He was. I wonder why Wallace D Ford didn't believe Mr W.D.Fard was Wallace Dodd Ford?
TheScientific777 2 months ago
@mutantz ACTOR? Dude this is not a movie of entertainment, this is an actual film on NOI people killing Malcolm X what the heck is you talking about? You're here to cause confusion!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 So are you saying that there is no record of people having the name Muhammad prior to the prophet of 1400yrs ago? And are you saying that the prophet of 1400 yrs ago fullfilled the prophecies mentioned in the Scriptures?
mutantz 2 months ago
@mutantz Yes, also my main argument is Elijah is not the Muhammad of the Qur'an! All of his prophecies I have, like the one Muhammad pbuh of Arabia said the Muslims would defeat the Byzatines, and they did!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 According to the records gathered by Islamic Historian Ibn Ishaq just to name one, men had the name Muhammad before the prophet was even born! And there is further record suggesting that his birth name may have been Amin not Muhammad(same as Elijah). Further more the man spoken of by all of allahs prophets who would defeat the devil and establish peace on earth, was not the Muhammad of Arabia pbuh.
mutantz 2 months ago
@mutantz Allah says in the Qur'an Muhammad, coming from the Name Ahmed. This is the man of Arabia 1400 years ago who got the message from Allah in a 23 year span. Don't tell me what Ishaq said, show me these Muhammad's you speak of, where can I find them? Elijah was a liar, the first Muhammad pbuh is the Arab from the Quraish tribe an Arab! Elijah never wrote the Qur'an the Qur'an was already done hundreds of years before he was even born so it couldn't have been him!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@mutantz defeat the devil and establish peace on earth? Then it show aint Elijah either because he is not here and there is still chaos on this earth. If you wanna go there, he had chaos within his on NOI lol get real stop trying to talk in circles, it's not going to work! WHO ARE THESE SO CALLED MUHAMMAD'S? I wanna know their daddy and momma's name, where they were in Arabia what tribe, when they were born etc, if you can't provide that Ishaq sayings is garbage!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 Defeating the devil and establishing peace on earth is the number one characteristic that all the prophets said the final one would have. The Quran uses the name Muhammad 4 times never refering specifically to Ibn Abdullah. Naturally you reject Hadith that doesnt support what you want to believe but where is your proof that prophet Muhammad was the first? Elijah isnt the liar Wallace is and this video proves it. Malcom even later realized Wallace manipulated his relation with Elijah!
mutantz 2 months ago
@rahim4411 You do know W D Muhammad that you so love and admire joined with Jim Jones dont you? Birds of a feather flock together! And since you follow him what does that say about you? Yet Elijah word is in question? even still I guess we can agree that even if you disagree that Elijah is the fullfillment of prophecyI cantbe Muhammad of 1400 yrs ago either however the scholars of Islam and christianity both agree that the prophecized on would emerge inthis era.
mutantz 2 months ago
@mutantz i AM IN NEW YORK IF YOU WANT TO DEBATE ME IN PUBLIC WE CAN SET THAT UP, AND SEE HOW MUCH OF A BIG BOY YOU REALLY ARE! no one needs to talk for me I am very articulate to handle my own debates, as I have put this video up and have thousands of NOI personel to trip up on their own mess! the NOI is a Masonic, Islamic, Christianity and black activist cult group, and I have proved that also in my other video! Fard (Fraud) was a con man!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 said "No one needs to talk for me"
So why did you ask resumebwd to speak for you? Men dont behave that way but punks do! Then from the safety of their online name act as if you are strong enough to speak in public debate. HA! And since you were there you should have told Dr Wesley he pulled a fast one to his face, or use your more popular method and get someone to tell him for you.
mutantz 2 months ago
@mutantz ARE YOU CRAZY? show me where I asked RESUMBWD to TALK FOR ME! I wasn't even in the convo, you two were debating about Fard, he asked me a question concerning your stupidity saying that in the video I put up was Dr Wesley. You are a nut case!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@mutantz Now stop beating around the bush and show me where Elijah Poole is the Muhammad of the Qur'an! I will personally knock it down with absolute facts he's not right here!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@mutantz I see you're back for another ass whipping! Who put you up to this? Let them come forward. I want the coward who's pulling your strings!
resumebwd 2 months ago
@resumebwd Im confused, did you whip me when you called me a moron? Was it when you misread the FBI files mistaking Walter as the name of the brother of Wallie Dodd? Was it when you didnt realize Dr Wesley was in the VIDEO RESPONSE and I had to keep repeating myself until you got it, was it when you mentioned a WWI darft card with someone elses handwriting of Ford on it?
Youmust be very proud!!!
mutantz 2 months ago
@mutantz
Assemble a group of your moronic friends, including the jerk that put you up to this and then left you to fend for yourself. Gather around your pc and watch my video on the true history of your god, “master fard muhammad”. If you give the video your undivided attention, you could learn something. youTube “WallaceDFard_1.wmv” when searching youtube, type upper and lower case as is.
resumebwd 2 months ago
@mutantz
Bad job buddy, trying to redeem yourself. Give it up. You got your ass whipped. Now go watch my video and get educated.
resumebwd 2 months ago
@resumebwd 2 be honest, I didnt whip you, however, I did sit back and watch you whip yourself when you proved you cant comprehend what you read, you dont have the mental capacity to grasp what a video response is and you accept WWI draft card with obviously forged hand writting as PROOF! Keep in mind that I know wassup and so do you and anyone who reads our conversation will see that you are trying to act victorious for the sake of your dignity. If that makes you feel better, be my guest!
mutantz 2 months ago
@mutantz Dr. Wesley pulled a fast one in that video, sorry, but he isn't correct about that in that video.
rahim4411 2 months ago
@resumebwd lol like he's a puppet lol
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411
I think "mutanz" went back under that rock he periodically crawls from under when he thinks he has a winning point. How sad.
resumebwd 2 months ago
@mutantz I copied and pasted your dumb comment: you commented "HAHA, Dr Wesley is the man in the video response above, Wallace is Elijahs birth son but thanks anyway". Where do see or here this "Dr. Wesley" guy in "this" video, jackass? I told you, you people are delusional. You see and hear things that do not exist. The teachings of the NOI is designed to attract people exactly like you!
resumebwd 2 months ago
Sir, the point I'm trying to make to you is FORD was not Wallace Dodd Ford's true last name. Historians discovered that his true last name was FARD, WALI DODD "FARD". Of course when Walter was shown Ford/Fard's pic, he didn't know Wallie Dodd Ford, because again, FORD was not his true name. What is your problem? What could I do to prove to you I'm an ARTIST? You name it.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@mutantz … 11
After the FBI linked Wallace D Fard back to Wallace D Ford, based on San Quentin prison records where in the files, Wallace Ford stated that he was born in New Zealand, the FBI assumed his last name was “Ford” and not Fard. Therefore they sent agents to New Zealand in pursuit of anyone with the last name of Ford.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@mutantz … 12
After locating a Ford family in Wellington, New Zealand, FBI agents interviewed a Walter Ford who they thought could have been a relative of “Wallace D Ford”. Walter Ford was shown photographs of Ford/Fard and stated to FBI agents that he was unable to identify the person in the photographs.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@resumebwd Well Ford and his wife Hazel said he was from New Zealand! FBI files located only 1 Ford family that had a member travel to America named Walter D. Ford which was verified by his unidentified brother. When those who knew Ford were shown the Photogragh(Not photographs) of Farad they said "he is not identical." No disrepect but I doubt you draw, such a coincidence is mathematically unlikely.
mutantz 3 months ago
@mutantz Yes Wallace Ford was from New Zealand, but his last name was not Ford, it was Fard. There is nothing mathematically unlikely for me to be an artist. I may have been an artist before you were. Why does simple things seem so difficult for you to understand? Do have some type of learning or comprehension disability? Is the way I'm presenting information to you beyond your level of understanding?
resumebwd 3 months ago
@mutantz Correction... Do you have some type of learning or comprehension disability?
resumebwd 3 months ago
@resumebwd While you question my comprehension I will point out one last time that the FBI agents didnt locate Walter D. Ford, they located his brother whos name was not given or [unintelligable]. This man said his brother usually went by Walter D. Ford and the FBI considered this just another AKA of Walli Ford. If you dont understand that maybe you shouldnt question my comprehension! By math Im saying the chances are slim that two artist would be discussing this because artist are few IE 1/30.
mutantz 3 months ago
@resumebwd You said for a while that you can prove that Fard and Ford are the same. I suggest you do it now! But if by proof you mean for example, a WWI draft card that is filled out as Wallie Dodd Fard and someone with differenthand writting wrote in Ford next to it, Im saying your pathetic and the only thing being proven is a smear campaign. Not to mention FBI wouldnthave overlooked this. Its easy to fool fools.
mutantz 3 months ago
@mutantz … 13
Walter Ford did not state that they were not the same person. He stated that he could not identify the person in the photographs. I have the FBI document where this is stated.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@mutantz … 14
The reason Walter could not identify the person in the photos is because Ford was not Wallace D Ford’s true last name. It was not until the late 1990s that historians and researchers discovered that Wallace Dodd Ford was actually born Wali Dodd Fard.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@mutantz … 15
ALIASES ARE DEFINITELY THE POINT. Aliases are the most important issue here. An alias is what led the FBI on a path, and subsequently locating a family who knew nothing about Wallace D Ford. Wallace D Fard was a “MASTER” at remaking himself with “ALIASES”.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@mutantz … 16
For the record, I am an artist also. A portrait artist, a natural gift I’ve had since the age of 4 YEARS OLD. An artist has a special gift for detail. I can draw and paint with precision, any person, place, or thing I see. If you are truly an artist, and a portrait artist, you would see every detail I pointed out to you. You couldn’t even see the “mole” on Fard’s face in the newspaper. I don’t believe you’re an artist.
resumebwd 3 months ago
Fard is not Allah in person, The Qur'an clearly states in Surah Ihklas 112 "That Allah is One deity, he begetteth not NOR IS HE BEGOTTEN! and there is none LIKE ALLAH! "
That chapter kills any assumption of Fard being Allah in the person, because Fard had parents, Allah doesn't! Fard is not mentioned at all in the Qur'an! It is a kicked up con scheme he made after he left the Moorish Science Temple!
rahim4411 3 months ago
@rahim4411
mutantz 3 months ago
@muntantz Fard1
There is nowhere in the FBI files or from any historian or researcher where it is stated that there was a 1932 mug shot of Fard.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@muntantz Fard2
When Fard identified himself the “supreme ruler on earth”, he was thrown in a psychopathic ward for 5 days of observation. And after concluding that he was not insane and only pretending to be a nut, he was ordered out of Detroit & told not to return. That’s what happened to him when he claimed he was “God”.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@muntantz Fard3
When this Ford family was located and shown pictures of Wallace Dodd Ford, they did not know him, because Ford’s true name was not Ford. Historians discovered in the late 1990s that Wallie Dodd Ford’s true name was Wali Dodd “Fard”. Master Fard was a “master” at lying. At one point in the FBI’s investigation, they thought his true name was Fred Dodd. This was another alias he used. He used over 58 different aliases.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@resumebwd Aliases are not the point! Ford's New Zealand family was located and shown photographs of both Ford and Fard and they said they are not the same person!
You obviously know more about Ford than his own family, so me the NOI and the Ford family will have to be morons and Im OK with that! Although you should know I am an artist who is paid to draw potraits of people but you have a more detailed eye than me. Cool!
mutantz 3 months ago
Another con artist by the name of Dr. York had hundreds of aliases also that's why he got in a beef with Elijah Muhammad, guess they were beefing over territory. hmmmmmmmmmmmm
rahim4411 3 months ago
@muntantz cont.1
The May 1933 arrest of Fard was not the one time he admitted he was Allah as you claim. It was his Nov 1932 arrest when he stated to Detroit detectives that he was the “supreme ruler on earth” and subsequently thrown in a psychopathic ward for the mentally insane. 5 days later after the psychiatrist concluded that he was not insane and only pretending to be a nut; as a condition for his release, Detroit Police ordered Fard out of Detroit, and he was told to not return.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@muntantz cont.2
There is no record of a 1932 mug shot. However, there is a front page newspaper article featuring Fard’s “voodoo” cult and his arrest in Nov. of 1932 along with his photo on page 20. You would have to an absolute moron to not see that the newspaper photo of Fard and any photo of Ford is the same person.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@muntantz cont.3
Fard’s nose is long and narrow, not fat and round as in the painting done by Elijah’s grandson. Notice the protruding ears, present in all the photos of Ford, the shape of his dark eyebrows, his thin lips, small chin, and the distinct “mole” on the left side of his nostril, which is also present in every photo of Wallace D Ford. The hairstyle in the newspaper is exactly same as in the 1933 mug shot of Ford/Fard SQ#45138.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@muntantz cont.4
The Detroit Free Press stated that Fard was an Arab because he told detectives he was an Arab. They didn’t know what the hell he was. They knew he had a dark complexion. Hazel said Ford had the appearance of a dark skinned Mexican with Caucasian features. Clara, Elijah’s wife said Fard looked like a poor white man. Poor white people look dirty. Their skin looks dirty. This was Clara way of describing Fard’s complexion and Caucasian features.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@muntantz cont.5 Fard said his name was pronounced as Fah-rod. The newspaper printed this particular alias as Wallace Farad. Bear in mind, Fard used over 58 aliases in his brief lifetime. As his situations changed, so did his aliases. Most of the time with just a slight variation of his true name, WALI DODD FARD.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@mutantz Part …5
If you will share your email address with me, I will send you send you 3 different photos of Wallace D Ford and 3 different photos of Wallace D Fard and let you make the comparisons.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@resumebwd You got nothin better to talk about than spelling(sign of weakness). Ironically the one time Fard admitted he was Allah the picture has no name Fard nor SQ# in the photo, this is written in with marker 20 years later! And what happened to the 1932 mug shot? The picture of Fard in the Detroit free Press is not the same man as the one in SQ# 45138, 16448 or 56062. In the Free Press Fard is said to be an Arab Notice the Nose and difference in ear trait type.
mutantz 3 months ago
@mutantz NICE!!!! if you would be so kind you can send those pics to me, rahim4411 at yahoo dot com please. thanks. nice work!
rahim4411 3 months ago
@mutantz Part …4
#45138 is the ID number the Detroit Police Dept. issued to Wallace D Fard with aliases.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@mutantz Part …1
There are different ID numbers on Fard depending on when he was arrested. The FBI listed him as Wallace Don Fard, their number #56062. When he was arrested in California in 1918 his ID# was 16448 as Wallei Ford. Again in Cal. Jan 20,1926 for drug possession #1797924 as Wallie Ford. San Quentin state prison #42314 as Wallie D Ford. Michigan State Police listed him as Wallace Farad, their number #98076.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@mutantz Part …2
Fard was photographed and fingerprinted on 3 different occasions; in 1918 for assault with a deadly weapon, again in 1926 for drug possession, and again in 1933 for investigation as a con man. In each arrest the fingerprints were the same. The FBI stated that all of the above carried the same fingerprints and in all cases he was listed as Caucasian.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@mutantz Part …3
Wallie D Ford, Wallei D Ford, W D Ford, W D Fard, Wallace D Ford, Wallace D Fard, Wallace Dodd Ford, Wallie Dodd Fard, Fred Dodd, David Ford-el, Professor Ford, Wali Farad, Wallace Fard Muhammad, and "Master" Fard Muhammad are just a few of the 58 aliases of WALI DODD FARD an ex-convict who founded the Nation of Islam. Professor “Ford” is the alias the FBI used to unravel Wallace D Fard’s hidden past & link him back to Wallace D Ford.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@resumebwd So how many youtube Aliases do you have? Atleast 2 correct?
mutantz 3 months ago
You poor soul, Dodd and Fard was the same person. Show me the FBI document where "the FBI concluded that these were two different people." I have read all 816 pages. The family in New Zealand you're referring to was not named "DODD". That family's name was FORD, which happened not to be Wallace Dodd Ford's true surname. His true surname was "Fard", Wali Dodd Fard alias Master Wallace "Fard" Muhammad alias Wallace D. Fard. The FBI discovered that "Fard" used over 58 different aliases.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@resumebwd The post that starts out as "YOU POOR SOUL, DODD and FARD WAS THE SAME PERSON" is intended for "mutantz".
resumebwd 3 months ago
Look at this photo of W D Fard. It is the same photo of the ex-convict, Wallace Dodd who Elijah claimed was not Wallace Fard. Observe all the prison photos of Ford. This one is an exact replica of any one of Ford's. This makes Fard a fake. How can you continue to promote his crap?
resumebwd 3 months ago
@resumebwd Your incorrect. The photo in this video is of Dodd not Fard. The FBI concluded that these were two different people, but I guess you are smarter than the FBI. The FBI files also prove that Dodd's family in New Zealand denied the picture of Master Fard Muhammad as their relative. CASE CLOSED!! This video proves that Wallace was a liar. Not to mention, such poor picture quality of this imposter at the rostrum suggest dishonesty. They had color pics in 1993.
mutantz 3 months ago
@mutantz If you are disagreeing because you refuse to accept the fact that Master Fard Muhammad was a fraud, then I understand. This type of denial is typical for NOI adherents. But if you “truly” believe that “the FBI concluded that these were two different people”, email the document(s) to me (byron.dubois@yahoo.com) and I will post it on the internet. Or you can post it yourself so that all who would like to view your “proof” can do so.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@resumebwd Nope! A fact is what has been proven. Your confusing a fact with a weak sheep like opinion. Fard and Ford are not the same man and even the FBI files acknowledge that. The FBI files documented that Fords family denied the picture of Fard as the same person! Thats a Fact!!!!!!!! You dont have any facts. Since you madethe claim I should be asking you for proof of the FBI files that prove these two are the same. But I will get to work on your challenge and get back with you.
mutantz 3 months ago
@mutantz I would like to have a telephone debate with you about the true identity of this so-called master Fard Muhammad. My knowledge and research on Fard is too extensive to go back and forth in blog comments. However, I am considering posting a video which you could watch and hopefully learn from.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@mutantz The FBI prepared a Correlation Summary, summarizing the true identity of Fard whereas they gathered an abundance of information and records on him as being a fraud. The only thing the FBI did not have was his body. Judging from the fact that there was no activity recorded on Fard after Sept. of 1933 to April of 1957, the assumption is that he was probably dead when the FBI began its search for Fard’s true identity in 1957.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@resumebwd Come on man! Who cares how much information the FBI gathered if it was never determined who the information was gathered on? That only means that they gathered a bunch useless matter unless they connect it to the man Fard.
mutantz 3 months ago
@mutantz I do believe that Wallace Muhammed knew a hell-of-a lot more about Fard than you do. After all, as he stated, his father was "misled" by the guy. However, Wallace had an agenda of his own also. He mixed truth and lies just like master Fard Muhammad did, to steer the Original NOI members to Sunni Islam. It's amazing how the majority of American blacks always seem to be "steered" like a herd of cattle.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@resumebwd My point is not what he stated, we know that! The question is, was he being honest? This imposter Fard Muhammad on stage proves that Wallace would go to great lengths to deceive. He told Malcolm that his father was jealous of him, yet Malcolm saw Elijah cry over their split(you dont cry over the fall of those you envy). An analytical man would notice this(pay attention). Wallace stood with Jim Jones!!! I could go on but the point is you havent researched you just accepted heresay!
mutantz 3 months ago
@mutantz The first picture of Fard is the Detroit police mug shot of Wallace D Fard when he was arrested in 1933. The picture of the old man behind the podium is probably an imposter.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@resumebwd Dont you find it strange this mug shot has no case number except for the number 45138 that was written in later with pen. And every other mug shot of Wallace Dodd Ford has SQ# 42314 in the original picture? That alone should have your antennas up! And I here your statement but the files dont say that. The files show interviews with Fords relatives where they stated they were not the same. But lets not waste any more breath. I will get back with you with page by page proof. Trust me!
mutantz 3 months ago
@resumebwd The files are on the way and I will do as you ask! I trust that you will keep your word and if not I will remind you.
mutantz 3 months ago
@mutantz You did not indicate when the files would be on the way. Tomorrow? Next week? Next year? I could be waiting forever because I know you do not have this so-called "proof". And you know it. Then again maybe you don't know it. You might think you truly have the proof you're commenting about. I'll just have to wait and see what you summit as proof. But in the interim, I can prove every comment I have made at your request.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@resumebwd I ordered a CD rom copy earlier today. I give you my word that as soon as I get it I will get back with you. All that I request you prove is that the man in SQ# 45138 16448 56062 named Ford is Master Fard. As of right know all I have is the quotes from the FBI files made available in Dr Wesley Muhammads(True Islams) New Revised Edition " The Book Of God." Hes the same man speaking in the above video response. Anyway I have acquired a copy of the files for myself and I will see you!
mutantz 3 months ago
@mutantz I appreciate the follow-up. I will be more than happy to present to you the proof that the man in SQ# 45138 16448 56062 named Ford is Master Fard. I have to retire for the night. I opertate my own business and have to be there bright and early in the morning. I am a man of my word, I will provide the proof to you tomorrow.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@mutantz I am creating a video on the true identity of Fard. However, looks like I'm not gonna finish it today. It should definitely be completed by tomorrow hopefully. All of my proof info will be in the video for the entire YouTube community.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@resumebwd Read it again, I said the 1932 mug shot wasnt present. I find it strange that this mug shot mysteriously disappeared(or was destroyed) at a time when he identified himself as Allah. What is also funny is that when Fords family was located in New Zealand, they admitted that the pictures of Ford and Fard were not the same person FBI Files December 7 1962. HAHA, I guess you know more about Ford than his own family and you recognize him when they didnt.
mutantz 3 months ago
@resumebwd we point to the ears eyebrows, lips,chin, and the distinct “mole” on the left side of his nostril, which is also present in every photo of Wallace D Ford."I dont believe you pay close attention to detail when it comes to facial traits. By that simple logic the 3 men in the Free Detroit Press are twins, No mole evident and his right ear is flared at the top and bottom while Fords ears flare at the top but taper at the bottom.
mutantz 3 months ago
@mutantz You people live in a fantacy world of make-believe and denial. Like I said, you would have to be a complete moron not to see the characteristics I pointed out. I dont like being blunt like this, but someting is seriously wrong with people who call themselves Nation of Islam members.
resumebwd 3 months ago
@mutantz
Let me try to help you with your English for future endeavors. “Your” means “ownership. “You’re” is the conjoint of “YOU ARE”. So, the next time you’re attempting to describe a person’s state of being, the correct usage is YOU’RE not “YOUR”. Again, this is typical of NOI adherents. Most are semi-literates, which accounts for their inability to understand the basic English in the FBI files on Fard, or, for that matter, on anything.
resumebwd 3 months ago
I admire a lot of things Wallace said. But to say that he "knows for a fact that Fard repented what he had done" is totally out of order. Fard disappeared the same year he was born (1933) or the year after. And has not been seen or heard from since. So how can Wallace Muhammad make such a statement. Wallace had an agenda aslo that he was trying to push off on gullible blacks.
resumebwd 4 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
the uploader " 7thJewelProductions" and his " 2nd Interview with the Hon. Elijah Muhammad - part 1" youtube video has just blocked me.
the reason for that is because i was gradually exposing that video / " the black man has no beginning" ~ elijah mohammad BENT views.
i was also gradually slamming the book, message to the black man...
7thJewelProductions hid inside his closet by blocking me off...
*** i suggest to those with a sane mind to check out my SLAMMING of the NOI flaws...
peace.
afterray 4 months ago
I noticed from various videos how that WD MUHAMMAD could at times be somewhat two faced. In this video he acknowledges the false teachings of this so-called Master Fard Muhammad...but in another video i saw him seated next to Farrakhan and he did no such thing. It seems like he danced around the issue and talked in not so clear terms. This should be a clear sign to those who follow the NOI that it is a very unstable org and full of deceptions. They taught hate and anger to the Black man.
READY4REVELATION 6 months ago