General Medical Council PART 1 Dr Andrew Wakefield brian deer nbc dateline

[vaccineshurtbabies]

Vaccines don't have side-effects: the wide-spread harm they cause is their only, main - and IMO intended - effect.

[magnusmulliner]

Absolutely true... read the research correlated by Dr Sherri Tenpenny "Saying no to Vaccines" The safest vaccine is one never given. You have no control over what will happen to your child once s/he is vaccinated. WAKE UP FOLK'S

When you read the CDC, JAMA, etc research clearly shows how much damage can be caused to some children... look at the actual dis-ease... you'd rather your child built it's own immune system antigens from MMR+. Sending love

[fireiciclespark]

You may like to google "Brian Deer" and "Selective Hearing" to access the film the Lancet parents made about the GMC trial.

You'll hear one parent describe how Deer used a false name to interview her, claiming he wanted to get her compensation, upset her in interview, then attacked her in print.

I wouldn't trust him to tell me the time in a room full of clocks.

[Bayareamom9]

Please see Barbara Loe Fisher's comments re: the scapegoating of Dr. Wakefield at her website, the National Vaccine Information Center. You will learn more there.

Our son was horrendously injured via his well baby vaccinations. We learned the hard way. It took seeing our own son suffer horrendous reactions to WAKE UP. My husband and I are both in the legal field; we research for a living. What we found via vaccine research, horrified us. Please educate before you vacciinate.

[Bayareamom9]

Rania,

What you've stated is absolutely not true. First, Dr. Wakefield's PAPER NEVER stated the MMR CAUSED autism; that is disinformation. Should you research this issue, you can find his original paper (not research) and read it for yourself. The medical conglomerate is scapegoating Wakefield (through pressure from Big Pharma). What has happened to Wakefield should be a wake up call for all.

[rania3830]

you know i don't care about people questioning the safety of vaccines. but for people to say mmr cause their's kids autism is ridiculous. i think the problem is parents of autistic kids need some type of closure or reason why their child is autistic.

the reason for it rising is that it's more easily diagnosed. hence the increase.

and vaccines keep kids alive. without them many kids would be dead.

[1jtbt1]

@rania3830 Ever watch Bill Gates videos? Make better vaccines to DECREASE population by 10-15% He's counting on your generation and kids to be in that 10-15% LINE UP!

[fireiciclespark]

"He questioned for money. He is a fraud and he has put other people's lives at risk based on his fraud and playing to people's fears".

Not true. He questioned to try and protect his patients. His real crime was daring to question the safety of a vaccine greatly profitable to the medical establishment and big pharma.

[MARMADILLOW]

why is everyone attacking andrew wakefield? he questioned something many years ago and due to it his life has been destroyed, what did he do that was so wrong? people are saying he tested on children and such, are you forgetting he's a father himself? all he's trying to do is make this a better, safer world, for people all around the world.

[batigol47]

He questioned for money. He is a fraud and he has put other people's lives at risk based on his fraud and playing to people's fears.

To use the strategy of anti-vaxers around the world, Mengele was a father.

[jamjys]

Dr Andrew Wakefield,

Is the Good Guy.

of course using viruses to fight other viruses will have adverse side effects.

(is that not how vaccines work).

[realzoomy]

Dr Wakefield, I just want to tell you that we are praying for you and your colleagues that the truth will be evident to all. God bless you, love Zoomy xx

[Carecrowe]

I am anti-unsafe vaccines People are being lied to as regards the MMR vaccine. It is digusting and degrading the way our voices have been silenced by the medical cartel the courts and the government.

[Carecrowe]

I love this video

[pentaacyl]

Ridiculous video. 0 stars.

[cybeavertoo]

The provaccinators try to have the discussion narrowed down to the Wakefield-study and thimerosal. But the autism/vaccination correlation is so much more, fueled by thousands of people seeing radical behavioral change in their children after certain vaccinations, its the possibility of not indexed riskgroups and triggering effects (rather then causing-effects) that sets back fulnerable autistic children for years then if they hadnt been vaccinated. No words or studies on that by the vaccinators

[cybeavertoo]

that the vaccinators use old data, not specifically collected for the questions that have to b adressed,those questions themselves cunningly stated in ways as to eventually get out their favoured answers, not adressing specific riskgroups within the statistic surrounding,not adressing real processes but only numerical correlations, demanding research-methods leading to such expenses that only the big pharmicals r able to pay for, like the lawyers to bring all other output down. No words on that.

[cybeavertoo]

mayb it isnt thimerosal, mayb there r unchartered riskgroups,

remember the HannahPolling-case! mayb it isnt only a caused effect through vaccins, but a completely different correlative proces.

But there is a real problem out there with so many very young children that it is a crime to shut your doors for unwanted questions and suggestions.

[batigol47]

We do accept vaccinations as having casualties, plain and simple. The vaccine court in the US is established specifically for that purpose. Vaccination is based upon current research, it is the anti vaccinators who rely on the past (revisionist statistics, already addressed concerns).

Wakefield is an ethically challenged fraud, and the evidence against him has become more and more overwhelming. They aren't fighting the research. They are fighting BAD research.

[cybeavertoo]

I dont accept vaccinations as having casualties, as U seem to be doing It is the obligation of the vaccin-industry to take into account and thoroughly research any indication of negative impact of their products and make casualties improbable In the case of vaccin-related autistic behavior at very young age the industry until as we speak have not taken up this responsibility but try to sooth the public with happely rendered data not specifically accumulated as to age and autism. Thats the fraud!

[batigol47]

It doesn't matter whether you accept them. The point is that your claim those who are pro vaccination do not think vaccines can do any wrong is patently false.

By the numbers, vaccines are significantly safer than antibiotics and food.

[cybeavertoo]

That completely depends on the numbers u use. A sure way to bury your argument in the muds of relativism.

[batigol47]

It doesn't even depends on that. Even if you accept autism as a result of vaccines (which I don't) they are safer than antibiotics and food.

Again, no one says that vaccines do not have adverse outcomes and the person in the video arguing they do is either disingenuous or oblivious.

[cybeavertoo]

'adverse outcomes'?Every year hundreds of people die because of vaccination in the US alone!

And tell me Batigol,if statistics don't 'even depend on' numbers, how do u get to your ratings? intuition?And how do u define 'food' and 'antibiotics', cause definitions r the root for all good research

Lets hope vaccins r not as harmful as the critics r suggesting. But the Hannah Poling-case puts vaccination legally on the slippery slope of being harmful to certain riskgroups as getting them autistic

[batigol47]

Hundreds of people do not die of vaccination every year in the US. There are no statistics to support that statement.

You obviously do not comprehend English well so let's spell it out again: no matter whose numbers you use, the risk of adverse outcome from vaccination is better than that from diseases they prevent.

Why don't you do the research on anaphylaxis rates from food and antibiotic allergies? I am sure you will come back saying that both should be banned outright.

[cybeavertoo]

you dont need 'statistics' to count the number of casualties, thats an absolute number of vaccin-related deaths you can find in any official literature about the subject.

you see, its all about numbers, especially on your side. Its about the numbers u want to use, its about the numbers you accept. U r a definite case of just wanting to hear and see the numbers that suit ur own argument, and deny any numbers out there that dont. But hey! feel free to stop taking in food if thats your problem!

[cybeavertoo]

But, if allergy and auto-immune diseases r your main fear, perhaps it is interesting to know there is quite some attention in the medical world as to the correlation of auto-immune diseases enhancing autistic traits. If one body can get shocked by peanuts, why not by elements of vaccins? Vaccination in general is not regarded as the best way to get to a well-trained and developed immunesystem, making it supect of weakening the bodies quality to defend itself and develop auto-immune reactions.

[cybeavertoo]

So in the end your precious vaccinations could be the root to the auto-immune reactions and allergies you r so afraid of!

But of course: no thorough research by the pharmaceutical industry of these risk-elements, but denial and adversity. And a government that is not interested in the integral wellfare of its citizins, but funding powerpolitics against them. Have fun!

[batigol47]

There has been extensive research done on auto-immune disorders and any relation they have with vaccines. Your ignorance of their existence does not make them disappear.

The leading researchers believe that it is out soaps and general "clean living" that is raising the levels of allergy and asthma, not vaccines.

[cybeavertoo]

there's no widespread consensus as to what u claim 'leading researchers'believe in. But at least u make clear u base ur trust and opinion on believes

So if we go with ur precious stats and facts we better not take food (the chemicals on or in it?), dont use anti-biotics (which to a certain degree i agree)and now we also better not clean ourselves or our homes!

I bet u dont mind if i sometimes listen to mr Wakefield and even take some of his findings very, very serious..

[batigol47]

Mr Wakefield is a fraud and it is well established. Taking anything he says seriously is a sign that you do not have any sensibility.

The leading researchers are leaning that way in a variety of hypotheses, and I did not claim a consensus on a particular one.

[batigol47]

WE are well aware that anaphylaxis can result from vaccines. Fact is that the number of people allergic to the assorted parts of vaccines is smaller than those allergic to peanuts or penicillin.

Vaccination is extremely well regarded by the overwhelming majority of scientists and doctors world wide.

[cybeavertoo]

as i said before, that completely depends on the numbers used and accepted. Statistical numbers r relative numbers, never facts! New data, new stats.

But at least the slippery slope is met : auto-immune reactions can result from vaccins. So now we just have to agree as to what extent vaccins can be held responsible as to the myriad of auto-immune disorders that people envelop these days. Mmm, autistic behavior and auto-immune disease, did i had a say on that on already?

[batigol47]

Anaphylaxis deaths from vaccines are almost always caught and they are statistically less likely than anaphylactic deaths from peanuts and penicillin.

Autistic behavior may be an auto immune disorder or it may not be. There is no solid evidence at this point. There are myriad forms of auto-immune disorders and myriads manners they can occur. Meanwhile there is a significant lack of evidence that vaccines cause autism, despite extensive research.

[batigol47]

Numbers of deaths is a statistic, so yes, it does need statistics to be proven.

The point is that even using the high end casualty rates, vaccines have a higher benefit to cost than the diseases they mitigate.

[cybeavertoo]

So now there r even 'high end casualty rates' as to vaccination! Glad you got to that one.

But.. numbers of vaccin-related deaths needs statistics to be proven? Do u at all understand the difference between 'data' and 'statistical values'?

The point is that if you dare to degrade the loss of individual lives to cost-benefit analises as you do here, you really lost contact with humanity. That statement is gross beyond words.

[batigol47]

Reading is apparently not a forte. By "high end" I mean the highest estimates of damage done by vaccines.

The number of deaths is a statistic. Each individual death is the data.

Cost-benefit analysis is the entire point of medicine. Are you anti-antibiotics? Are you anti-chemotherapy? Are you anti-surgery? Are you anti-plastic? Anti-antiseptic?

Everything you come in contact with is a question of cost benefit, and the fact is that the cost benefit of vaccines is supremely in their favor.

[batigol47]

Wakefield faked his data.

[finefilth]

HI BATIGOL YOU TROLL

[dormant111]

There's no MMR-autism link, this has been proven by studies of millions of children in the USA and Europe.

The 'witchhunt' against Wakefield was because he acted unethically. He didn't disclose that his research was funded by a lawyer representing parents who had a financial interest in discovering a link between autism and MMR or that their kids were the ones used in the study or that he had an interest in promoting single vaccines.

He's a criminal with blood on his hands.

[vaccineshurtbabies]

"The complete obliteration of vaccine damage and the children's illnesses, the making invisible of the parents as witnesses to their children's illnesses, is the worst and biggest lie in this case."

UK author Martin Walker, commenting about the witchhunt to punish/silence Dr Andrew Wakefield for alerting the public to the vaccine-autism link.