Robinson (Chrome) Shoulder Lock from Scarf

[soccerequalsgay]

has anyone tried it with gabble grip rather then the s grip? i havent been able to grapple in awhile since the college im at has no gyms near it. was just wondering how that would affect it.

[XxmattitudexX]

thanks man an old wrestler buddy showed me that move said a few judo guys used it

when they were messing around and it was effective . i never could quite remeber what he had showed me since it was very quickly demonstrated one time and was years ago

[donkeycockslap]

definitely an interesting move. i'll try it soon as this position comes up a lot. thanks!

[Layz613]

at 1:43 is it just me or did he say ''stinking down''? xD

[Katlakaj]

You would have to be a lot stronger than your opponent to pull this of don't you?

I've tried this with a friend of mine and figured that by simpy gripping your hands together and twisting them the other way (opposite to where top is twisting) and if neccessery put your knee under your grip to further stop the submission. Hence the defense against this move seems a bit to easy and making this more of a stress move rather than a submission?

Anyone?

[Submissions101]

I have found that people with flexible shoulders can resist or not be affected by this. Not all moves work on all people all the time. That is why it is like chess ;-)

[doby97]

These are really good instructional videos. Keep up the good work.I took some Jiu Jitsu classes years ago and seem to get more out of your videos than I did from my classes...

[302BJJ]

cool vids though. happy to be a suscriber. you guys keep em coming!!!!

[302BJJ]

great explanation, but the move is not that easy. the main problem with scarf hold is it leaves a pass to the back by simply bumping and throwing the headlock off. I don't know too many grapplers who would even attempt a scarf now and days because it's that easy to defend against and leaves you back wide open. even sitting in leg lock scarf is problematic because of the weight shift if opponent squirms under you (again by bumping you up) its a good move if your opponent is unfamiliar with scarf.

[Mikeydiablo]

@302BJJ

I think a lot of that notion comes from poor top control, and not correctly controlling the guy on bottom. Every position has a counter, you wouldn't call guard a weak position because someone could just bull fighter or double underhook. If you lose control of the arm in scarf you need to transition to north/south or back to side control.

[Mecroxxx]

Sambo has this, that's how they like to scarf. Looks much easier than it is, the details are crucial.

[bloor123]

ya how do you escape that

[rgarg4]

Do you have a video of the neck crank from scarf hold?

[Fallendreaml7]

Hehe that's an awesome demonstration you guys =D

Jiu Jitsu is really the best 1v1 unarmed art.

I wonder how Japanese's JJ face off against Brazil's JJ tho =)

[cryingindian]

lol im not guna go into that in detail... but chances are the jap would win with his trusty side kick, the samurai sword haha

[punkedbytricky]

It's not all about the art, it's about the skill of the artist!

[Submissions101]

Very well said!

[KatameDo]

You see this is what my problem is. Why would it be called Robinson anything? I don't think that is a common name in Japan. I will give it to you guys, your explanation and videos are very good, but when people start putting their names to chokes and sweeps and guard positions, etc.. that have been staples in judo newaza for a looooooong time really irritates me. Keep up the training.

[KatameDo]

WOW!!! This move has only been around oh.....100+ years.

[Submissions101]

Yep...you're right...nothing new under the sun but obviously there are many people who don't know the technique...just like any art...you have to be shown something before you know it (or you find it through self discovery).

[shotokanpro]

so crazy how its always been there, its so easy....yet i would have never figured it out unless shown. lol........Thanks, you guys are the best

[Submissions101]

That's the crazy thing about jiu jitsu. Even if you've done it for years, someone can come along and show you something so simple, that has always been there, and presto, a new move appears. This happens to me all the time. The WOW factor just never seems to go away. I am now learning a whack load of stuff from a SAW/SHOOT Wrestling guy...it's fantastic.

[shotokanpro]

i definately agree with you with the "WOW factor" lol. Keep those vids comin though. I really appreciate the work you guyz do. Its been like the textbook to my practice. lol

[telosnut]

great video. thank you very much for sharing.

5 stars. please continue posting techniques.

[orbite11]

this may sound stupid, but what is that doing damage too? The elbow or is it a choke. Again apology's for my ignorence

[Submissions101]

As I say in the video, the shoulder is what is being attacked.

cheers

[orbite11]

ah, on second viewing you do indeed say it rite at the start, sorry to waste your time

[Submissions101]

No worries...sometimes people miss things...that's cool.

[ononorthey]

harder to land than I thought it would be. Still a neat move, though!

[caz338]

Just curious, can this turn into a neck crank or be mistaken for one? Just wondering, because I know some competitions don't allow neck cranks for newbs like me :)

Anyways, I really enjoy your videos and the hard work you guys put into them. Please don't stop :)

[martialnoah1]

is this legal in high school wrestling?

[TheRangeMaster]

Almost forgot, if you go deep enough to get a "gable" grip, the deal is sealed.

[TheRangeMaster]

was shown this in '76 in a high school wrestling clinic by the 1968 silver medalist Donald Behm. He was about 50 lbs lighter than me, but I couldn't budge him once he had kesa. the secret is to lift your rump about a 1/2 inch off the mat (without leaning over)and thereby collapsing (parital) one lung .

have fun

[Submissions101]

Nice! Thanks for the tip!

[Izzy11215]

Looks simple.

[Submissions101]

Aren't those the best kind ;-)

[geneticman13]

is the move named after billy robinson ( pro-wrestler) or ken shamrock ?

[Submissions101]

there are many names for the same moves...call it what you want ;-)

[jfkingdom]

almost everyone grabs me in this position; so I will definately have to start using this. Thanks

[DannySMalone]

I love keeping people in scarf. I prefer scarf over mount. I just feel so secure in scarf, it's harder for them to sweep. Probably because my base is low and spread out due to my legs. Whilst in mount they can buck and shrimp both sides.

[rustynail77]

awesome technique, ima try this. i hope it is as easy as it looks

[Garethtkd]

genious!

[EvanChaim]

The way you trap and lock the arm reminds me of how someone would trap an ankle for a heel hook.

[WannabeNibiruWarrior]

I wonder if referees would also see it as a neck crank. It would suck to get disqualified for it :(

[Submissions101]

They might but you have to remind them that it isn't. Check out our video on our channel of this being done in competition. here is the video: watch?v=bZAjsthOG-Q

The people who called neck crank aren't very experienced. The ref in the video lets it go as you'll see.

[nkcbi101]

Love this move!!! and it's an easy lock to pull off. Keep up the good work guys  :)

[ScissorFilm]

ouch, looks like it hurts

[Audissey]

we need 10th planet in hawaii!!!

[lifeinkansas]

man i have been in scarf so many times and wished i had something other than a (more tradational)choke or arm lock with legs. it is not squirling for something it just makes them tap i love it. definetly my new fave i will have to work on.

ps love the long hair

[TeHm0rk]

Where are some 10th planet gyms in California.

[Submissions101]

Hollywood (Eddie's) and San Fran (Denny's)

[tommmy1d]

Thats awesome thanks

keep up the good work

[ononorthey]

This is great!

[SadisticFishing]

Question, what happens if they don't tap?

[Submissions101]

Their shoulder will hurt for quite a while.

[SadisticFishing]

I should definitely have phrased that better. Can this sort of thing be used on the street? (Sorry I was typing faster than I was thinking)

Quick response! As an aside, I finally got Mastering the Rubber Guard. Sweet.

[nhafner]

is the pressure going to his neck or his arm.. i was kinda confused.. i wrestle and when i do this headlock to get out of it you grab around the waist and roll.. im definitely going to use this in wrestling this season but i dont understand where the pressure goes to

[Submissions101]

The pressure is IN THE SHOULDER not the neck. Everyone thinks it is a crank; it isn't...not even close. Until you do it or understand it, casual observation may lead you to the wrong conclusion (ie: being a neck crank).

Watch this video to see it in action:

watch?v=bZAjsthOG-Q

[scavmanch]

Um... 2nding the opinion of Ari... On the soul basis... of it was just shown exactly WHY its a good position....... Not to mention, its simple biomechanics... Leverage vs. pressure... It would be effective if you didn't know ANY martial art, if u had a guy pinned there, so why the hell would you be able to categorize it as being "not good" for one art or another?... I can think of 1 or 2 other ways to go from there too...

[Beauknos]

nice, where are all the 10th planet gyms?

[hudsonkoa]

I need to play scarf hold more. this looks pretty nice. ( lol the tap there seems a little more urgent than normal. you must have it perfect. )

[AdmiralSolo]

That's a good one, most people think of kesa as just a pin, with a possible armbar, but this will make a real difference once I practice and get smooth with it.

[METALD00M]

Not a very good position in jiu jitsu.

However, that would be effective in wrestling or something.

[Submissions101]

REALLY??? The Scarf is a MAJOR position in jiu jitsu, sambo, and judo. A good scarf (kesa Gatami) can keep you pined to the ground...just ask any experience judoka, jiu jitsuka, or sambo artist.

[ojay67]

i know this by experience, i think that guy is a wannabe or just a noob in ground fighting.

kesa gatami is almost impossible to get off when done properly

[Submissions101]

I agree. The scarf position is fundamental in judo and jitsu-no question whatsoever. Like I said, get a guy who knows what he is doing and it can be VERY hard to get out of.

[ojay67]

by the way, i know a couple gogos on it but can you try making a video on how to escape it.

because its very killer especially when its a big guy doing it.

[OctoBox]

Yes as long as you know for a 100% fact you are not in a mutiple attacker situation -- so yeah *cough*

You should try the Catch Wrestling version the Kesa Gatami which keeps the pressure on them whether you do the Robinson or not by keept your hips low and butt off the ground. Puts all the pressure on their wind!

Keep it up guys good stuff

[vginawhisperer]

Well, my scarf must suck ass because people shrimp out and take my back every time.

[Submissions101]

Really??? Just like any move in jits-it takes hours or drilling to get it right. I am sure with proper adjustments, you could have a very heavy scarf.

[PacificFlows]

Effective simplicity.

Five stars!

[comface]

I like it! :D

[DarkBeam]

ooo thats sneeaky! haha

[Saforge]

Hmm, I may just try that out in wrestling, nice move guys