Hey Andrew, first of all great Lesson. But i have to ask why is it that a lot of Jazz Guitarists notate both minor chords and major in upper case roman numerals? For example, you have (I IV II V I). I come from a compositional background and that always strikes me as odd. I would notate that minor progression as ( i iv ii* V7 i). I know it might seem like a minor detail but this always a the main problem i run into when i try to explain parallel progressions, substitutions, extensions etc.
@Z3r0mt (sorry not enough space) because the players i work with always start building incorrect chord families, and its so hard to get that idea past them.
Just echoing @naith1984: Chord IV is the sub-dominant chord, not ii. Both of these provide good cadences, although ii V I is better, due to its' relationship of fifths.
HI there i was just wondering how would you analyze it if you inserted a G-7-C7 (II-V-I of Fmi7) after your first chord Cmi7. Also what if we did a tri-tone substitution on chords like G7 to replace them with something like Db7?
If i still remember correctly there is a thing called 'modal interchange' that jazz musicians often like to play with. Basically, you play something like Gm7 C7 which is leading towards Fmaj7 resolution, but instead you chose some other 'taste' of a tonic, say minor. You can also play Gm7b5 C7b9 implying Fm tonic harmony, but resolve it instead to Fmaj7. Play with it and let your ears be the judge.
@naith1984 ... I know that the name of the II chord is Super Tonic. The II-V-I is a progression utilizing the II chord as derived of the sub-dominant family of chords. The Sub-Dominant family is that of the II and the IV. Learn about chord families and you'll understand it.
yeah dude dont even try to stump this guy... he knows it better than anybody who thinks they have an argument. If you actually take the time to listen to his explanation then you wont have look like a dolt for jumping in with your " know it all " commentary . Cause lets face it ,anyone who really does" know it all "wont be at this site [ that includes me as well]
@naith1984 he was actually right....i dont know if u noticed, but he always said, subdominant FAMILY. the word family made all the difference, because that meant he was talking about the progression, using a subdominant type of chord to a dominant type of chord to the tonic. II IV are have a subdominant function, V and VII have dominant type functions and I is your key center (ii could be half-diminished depending if the key center is minor or major).
@naith1984 so to summ up what I said. The supertonic belongs to the type of chards that have a subdominant function. Like the IV chord. Hope that helps! (by the the way VII and V belong to the "dominant function family")
hey jtfles listen up. Learn the major scale (do re me). Each scale degree will make a chord if you build thirds upon the beginning note. example; Cmaj chord (or the #1 CHORD)spelled CEGB. The next note in the scale will be a D note. Build a chord the same way DFAC = Dm7 chord (or the #2 CHORD. Do this for every note in the major scale and you will get all the possible chords in the key of Cmajor. The 1 chord = Cmaj7, the 2 chord = Dm7 (D minor 7th), The 3 chord = Em7th, the 4 chord = Fmaj7 etc
hey jtfles listen up. Learn the major scale (do re me). Each scale degree will make a chord if you build thirds upon the beginning note. example; Cmaj chord (or the #1 CHORD)spelled CEGB. The next note in the scale will be a D note. Build a chord the same way DFAC = Dm7 chord (or the #2 CHORD. Do this for every note in the major scale and you will get all the possible chords in the key of Cmajor. The 1 chord = Cmaj7, the 2 chord = Dm7 (D minor 7th), The 3 chord = Em7th, the 4 chord = Fmaj7, etc
hey jtfles listen up. Learn the major scale (do re me). Each scale degree will make a chord if you build thirds upon the beginning note. example; Cmaj chord (or the #1 CHORD)spelled CEGB. The next note in the scale will be a D note. Build a chord the same way DFAC = Dm7 chord (or the #2 CHORD. Do this for every note in the major scale and you will get all the possible chords in the key of Cmajor. The 1 chord = Cmaj7, the 2 chord = Dm7 (D minor 7th), The 3 chord = Em7th, the 4 chord = Fmaj7, etc
hey jtfles listen up. Learn the major scale (do re me). Each scale degree will make a chord if you build thirds upon the beginning note. example; Cmaj chord (or the #1 CHORD)spelled CEGB. The next note in the scale will be a D note. Build a chord the same way DFAC = Dm7 chord (or the #2 CHORD. Do this for every note in the major scale and you will get all the possible chords in the key of Cmajor. The 1 chord = Cmaj7, the 2 chord = Dm7 (D minor 7th), The 3 chord = Em7th, the 4 chord = Fmaj7, etc
so if I got it right,harmonically speaking ii V7 i gives a smoother resolution to another key,rather than IV-V7-I....thus making it more appropriate for smooth modulation....??
If you haven't noticed yet, this is the chord progression from Blue Bossa. If you haven't heard of Blue Bossa, pay attention to this video, because it's a great standard for a lot of things in jazz.
im a jazz drummer trying to understand the therory behind the music dang this stuff is confusing, its was understandable untill you started talking about sub dominant and tonic chords thats where i was lost, ill watch this video a couple of times to get it tho lol
@JazzNaySean Sub Dominant is the 4th Chord in the 7 note series. From I to VII: Tonic(I), Super Tonic(II), Mediant(III), Sub-Dominant(IV), Dominant(V), Sub-Mediant(VI), Leading Tone(VII) and Sub-Tonic(Flatted VII, such as Natural Minor). It's just another way to call the Chords, of course going by numbers is easier understood. :-P
I already know about II-V-I, but I have a question. Where do I start? Assuming I'm already in one progression (in the key of A major for example), and I'm going for a II-V-I, or a long series of II-V-I, which chord to start on? Do I try to line it up so that it ends up back to the original key?Another Q is, do alot of jazz pieces have the II and V in the same measure and the I in its own?
Good video. It might be nice to explain why these progression happen. you can understand a ii-V-I as that or a ii-vi-ii-V-I as itself but if you understand it as a series of fifths and just circling the circle of fifths it all makes a bit more sense. In other words it isn't a ii-V-I its a "Vof V"- "Vof I" - I. Like wise VOFVOFVOFV -VOFVOFV-VOFV-V-I would be 3-6-2-5-1. You can keep going and try this one - 1- #1- #4-7-3-6-2-5-1 it simple but fun.
Argh! Why do people call it mi7b5? It hurts my brain. Whether its a ii in natural minor or a borrowed chord in major from the parallel minor, it still functions in this case as a predominant. There's nothing added, altered, or otherwise weird about it that warrants calling it b5.
Even worse is when people use it interchangeably with #11, whose function is usually either dominant or some tonic substitute. Still different is #4 which would be an added tone rather than extended harmony as with #11
@funtochill431 It's common to see especially in fake books and pop chord notation. In theory books I usually see circle with a slash. Some people like this better and think its easier to read and distinguish from full diminished.
My main objection is that it doesn' t make theoretical sense to say b5 when that pitch is diatonic in natural minor. Adding an accidental usually implies something is altered.
If ^5 were sharp in the key, then it would be natural 5 and this would be technically wrong.
Wow with out any prior knowledge of music theory your basically up the creek within the first 30 secs. Lol! looks like I got my work cut out
encdee 1 month ago
wouldn't that D chord also be called a half diminished chord?
geeiwoder 1 month ago
Hey Andrew, first of all great Lesson. But i have to ask why is it that a lot of Jazz Guitarists notate both minor chords and major in upper case roman numerals? For example, you have (I IV II V I). I come from a compositional background and that always strikes me as odd. I would notate that minor progression as ( i iv ii* V7 i). I know it might seem like a minor detail but this always a the main problem i run into when i try to explain parallel progressions, substitutions, extensions etc.
Z3r0mt 1 month ago
@Z3r0mt (sorry not enough space) because the players i work with always start building incorrect chord families, and its so hard to get that idea past them.
Z3r0mt 1 month ago
helps alot,, thanks....
brioirossi 1 month ago
Does that beginning melody have a name or extended version? Its lovely.
ZeeJayBay 2 months ago
eh?
aSunnyUnion 3 months ago
Just echoing @naith1984: Chord IV is the sub-dominant chord, not ii. Both of these provide good cadences, although ii V I is better, due to its' relationship of fifths.
MrRobinThornton 4 months ago
Me head is hurt
Pluckyxo 5 months ago
I clicked "Like" because I learned something new within the first 3 minutes.
KapnKregg 6 months ago
HI there i was just wondering how would you analyze it if you inserted a G-7-C7 (II-V-I of Fmi7) after your first chord Cmi7. Also what if we did a tri-tone substitution on chords like G7 to replace them with something like Db7?
v2iame 9 months ago
@v2iame
If i still remember correctly there is a thing called 'modal interchange' that jazz musicians often like to play with. Basically, you play something like Gm7 C7 which is leading towards Fmaj7 resolution, but instead you chose some other 'taste' of a tonic, say minor. You can also play Gm7b5 C7b9 implying Fm tonic harmony, but resolve it instead to Fmaj7. Play with it and let your ears be the judge.
Happyascanbe1 5 months ago
Um, excuse me, chord II is the SUPERTONIC, NOT the SUB DOMINANT.
naith1984 10 months ago
@naith1984 ... I know that the name of the II chord is Super Tonic. The II-V-I is a progression utilizing the II chord as derived of the sub-dominant family of chords. The Sub-Dominant family is that of the II and the IV. Learn about chord families and you'll understand it.
creativeguitarstudio 10 months ago 21
@creativeguitarstudio BOOM. *high five*
gotta love Jazz theory
IIISanCHEZYIII 10 months ago
It's the Teacher for the WIN!!!!
I love it when arm-chair experts get smacked. now if they would just learn from it....like I am! LOL
Smurf431 5 months ago
@creativeguitarstudio pwnag3!
brco2003 1 month ago
@naith1984
yeah dude dont even try to stump this guy... he knows it better than anybody who thinks they have an argument. If you actually take the time to listen to his explanation then you wont have look like a dolt for jumping in with your " know it all " commentary . Cause lets face it ,anyone who really does" know it all "wont be at this site [ that includes me as well]
Thanks Andrew!
poppyseller1 10 months ago
@poppyseller1 i never said i knew it all, i just found the way he wrote it out very confusing for someone that want s to learn this progression
naith1984 10 months ago
@naith1984 he was actually right....i dont know if u noticed, but he always said, subdominant FAMILY. the word family made all the difference, because that meant he was talking about the progression, using a subdominant type of chord to a dominant type of chord to the tonic. II IV are have a subdominant function, V and VII have dominant type functions and I is your key center (ii could be half-diminished depending if the key center is minor or major).
brandojazz 5 months ago
@naith1984 so to summ up what I said. The supertonic belongs to the type of chards that have a subdominant function. Like the IV chord. Hope that helps! (by the the way VII and V belong to the "dominant function family")
brandojazz 5 months ago
I have a small question, why in the ii V i in minor key have the dominant V chord and not the altered dominant?
brandojazz 5 months ago
@brandojazz
It can be altered if you want.
Happyascanbe1 5 months ago
@naith1984 you got owned
TJSax1986 2 months ago
Blue Bossa
jsoffel 11 months ago
Thank you man!Nice net teacher!
nekyiapyriplegethon 11 months ago
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hey jtfles listen up. Learn the major scale (do re me). Each scale degree will make a chord if you build thirds upon the beginning note. example; Cmaj chord (or the #1 CHORD)spelled CEGB. The next note in the scale will be a D note. Build a chord the same way DFAC = Dm7 chord (or the #2 CHORD. Do this for every note in the major scale and you will get all the possible chords in the key of Cmajor. The 1 chord = Cmaj7, the 2 chord = Dm7 (D minor 7th), The 3 chord = Em7th, the 4 chord = Fmaj7 etc
gannonb4u 11 months ago
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hey jtfles listen up. Learn the major scale (do re me). Each scale degree will make a chord if you build thirds upon the beginning note. example; Cmaj chord (or the #1 CHORD)spelled CEGB. The next note in the scale will be a D note. Build a chord the same way DFAC = Dm7 chord (or the #2 CHORD. Do this for every note in the major scale and you will get all the possible chords in the key of Cmajor. The 1 chord = Cmaj7, the 2 chord = Dm7 (D minor 7th), The 3 chord = Em7th, the 4 chord = Fmaj7, etc
gannonb4u 11 months ago
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hey jtfles listen up. Learn the major scale (do re me). Each scale degree will make a chord if you build thirds upon the beginning note. example; Cmaj chord (or the #1 CHORD)spelled CEGB. The next note in the scale will be a D note. Build a chord the same way DFAC = Dm7 chord (or the #2 CHORD. Do this for every note in the major scale and you will get all the possible chords in the key of Cmajor. The 1 chord = Cmaj7, the 2 chord = Dm7 (D minor 7th), The 3 chord = Em7th, the 4 chord = Fmaj7, etc
gannonb4u 11 months ago
hey jtfles listen up. Learn the major scale (do re me). Each scale degree will make a chord if you build thirds upon the beginning note. example; Cmaj chord (or the #1 CHORD)spelled CEGB. The next note in the scale will be a D note. Build a chord the same way DFAC = Dm7 chord (or the #2 CHORD. Do this for every note in the major scale and you will get all the possible chords in the key of Cmajor. The 1 chord = Cmaj7, the 2 chord = Dm7 (D minor 7th), The 3 chord = Em7th, the 4 chord = Fmaj7, etc
gannonb4u 11 months ago
erm
what the fuck is he talking about?
can anyone link me to somewhere that will show me jazz from the ground up?
and i mean the ground
jtfles 11 months ago
so if I got it right,harmonically speaking ii V7 i gives a smoother resolution to another key,rather than IV-V7-I....thus making it more appropriate for smooth modulation....??
cyberflea07 1 year ago
If you haven't noticed yet, this is the chord progression from Blue Bossa. If you haven't heard of Blue Bossa, pay attention to this video, because it's a great standard for a lot of things in jazz.
zkete 1 year ago
im a jazz drummer trying to understand the therory behind the music dang this stuff is confusing, its was understandable untill you started talking about sub dominant and tonic chords thats where i was lost, ill watch this video a couple of times to get it tho lol
well good teaching great videos my friend
JazzNaySean 1 year ago
@JazzNaySean Sub Dominant is the 4th Chord in the 7 note series. From I to VII: Tonic(I), Super Tonic(II), Mediant(III), Sub-Dominant(IV), Dominant(V), Sub-Mediant(VI), Leading Tone(VII) and Sub-Tonic(Flatted VII, such as Natural Minor). It's just another way to call the Chords, of course going by numbers is easier understood. :-P
eyeheartchrist 1 year ago
@eyeheartchrist well thank you very much u made it perfectly clear now, thanks
JazzNaySean 1 year ago
cool! Why did you label the II as subdominant?
TheFatmanFresh 1 year ago
It's the first time i see a video that doesn't have thumbs down.
Malmsteen1990 1 year ago
Really pure!!!
aug5ya 1 year ago
SOMEONE HELP ME!!! WHERE IN THE WORLD ARE THESE 7THS COMING FROM?? I TRIED EVERYWHERE TO UNDERSTAND THIS.WHY AND HOW IS HE ADDING SEVENTHS?
cortez12121993 1 year ago
@cortez12121993 i jazz they use sevenths for extra color and tensions, its more harmonically complex
bleach6bleach 1 year ago
@bleach6bleach thank you very much.
cortez12121993 1 year ago
Chord progression is extremely similar to Blue Bossa, key and all.
jimmyshred420 1 year ago
Question: Why at 3:04 do you refer to the ii as "the subdominant family?" I thought ii is the supertonic and the subdominant is actually IV?
DanielDavisMusic 1 year ago
Hey, cool vid. Informative and packed.
I already know about II-V-I, but I have a question. Where do I start? Assuming I'm already in one progression (in the key of A major for example), and I'm going for a II-V-I, or a long series of II-V-I, which chord to start on? Do I try to line it up so that it ends up back to the original key?Another Q is, do alot of jazz pieces have the II and V in the same measure and the I in its own?
Thanks alot!
TheCuddlyDevil 1 year ago
Good video. It might be nice to explain why these progression happen. you can understand a ii-V-I as that or a ii-vi-ii-V-I as itself but if you understand it as a series of fifths and just circling the circle of fifths it all makes a bit more sense. In other words it isn't a ii-V-I its a "Vof V"- "Vof I" - I. Like wise VOFVOFVOFV -VOFVOFV-VOFV-V-I would be 3-6-2-5-1. You can keep going and try this one - 1- #1- #4-7-3-6-2-5-1 it simple but fun.
MichaelnChristine 2 years ago
Argh! Why do people call it mi7b5? It hurts my brain. Whether its a ii in natural minor or a borrowed chord in major from the parallel minor, it still functions in this case as a predominant. There's nothing added, altered, or otherwise weird about it that warrants calling it b5.
Even worse is when people use it interchangeably with #11, whose function is usually either dominant or some tonic substitute. Still different is #4 which would be an added tone rather than extended harmony as with #11
Ormaaj 2 years ago
@ Ormaaj,
I just looked at THREE different Music Theory Books and in every one they call this chord a Mi7(b5) or a Half-Diminished.
Which is exactly what this video says.
You're on CRACK.
funtochill431 2 years ago
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Ormaaj 2 years ago
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@funtochill431 It's common to see especially in fake books and pop chord notation. In theory books I usually see circle with a slash. Some people like this better and think its easier to read and distinguish from full diminished.
My main objection is that it doesn' t make theoretical sense to say b5 when that pitch is diatonic in natural minor. Adding an accidental usually implies something is altered.
If ^5 were sharp in the key, then it would be natural 5 and this would be technically wrong.
Ormaaj 2 years ago
Sorry, not ^ (scale degree) 5, the 5th factor of the ii, or 6th scale degree.
Ormaaj 2 years ago
Very nice! though the instructor has to slow down a bit... speaks to fast and leaves no time to absorb... Thank you
jazz054 2 years ago
Man you're an amazing teacher, but you talk a bit (just a hair) too fast
srvgravesdime 2 years ago
Such a good teacher.
mraggrovator 2 years ago 8
great lesson 5 stars!
can't wait for the part2
DigitechGNX 2 years ago 2
Another 5 stars
specialsg3 2 years ago
Andrew, I love all your videos. I really like your approach to teaching, its helped me far beyond what I ever imagined. Thanks so much!
Jartny 2 years ago 10
nice info....
Jed9133 2 years ago
why the .....?
Hamgammy 2 years ago
Excellent! Just what I needed!
5 stars!
nerdheadbanger 2 years ago 3
thanks andrew grate lesson
col33145 2 years ago