This is good. Thanks for posting. I actually look forward to the days of suckling again. Also, the durian king says that it doesnt harm the goat if milked however, to my understanding, if an animal is not nursing young it will stop producing milk until it has another offspring. Alas women are not constantly producing milk once they are of age to produce. And last but not least men also produce milk in some instances. Spaseeba rawexcellance.
Doesn't matter if she said nipple or not, the fact that people think its okay to drink milk from an animal yet find it gross to drink human breast milk??? Not to mention humans are the only species that drink milk as adults and from another species......multi billion (if not more) dollar industry, that feeds people morphine (Casomorphin found in cows milk) and pays politicians.....Keep voting with your wallets sheeple.
Who is the "you" you wrote of? Seems more like your parapraxis (aka Freudian slip) that you now have revealed to the world what is on your mind. Do you often have these types of thoughts? ;-)
The TOPIC was NOT PENIS or VAGINA... if it was the topic and Paul was drinking extras from suckled bovid penises and vagina's I WOULD DEFINITELY have called him on his IDIOTIC logic and ask - Do you suck you wife's vagina?
Congratulations... you have won the DUMB DONKEY of the day award!
I strongly suggest you STOP projecting your perversions and ASSumptions, and instead focus on protecting the TRUTH and good LOGIC rather than your GURU and some of their logic inconsistencies!
I understand that YOU have these perverted ideas & wish to project them onto me and the public.
1) STAY ON TOPIC... MILKING! Humans use their hands to extract milk out of: goats, cows, horses, yacks... and it seems you 'think' that is fine, BUT if I where to ask Paul if his child sucks milk from his wife that is fine.
2) CORRECTION my ONE TOPIC did not put HIM down - I questioned his logic in ONLY one area. I asked his logic about on ONE topic then YOU ASSume I think like you!
Medical Term: Nipple "The pigmented projection on the surface of the breast. Ducts that conduct milk from the mammary glands to the surface of the breast exit through the nipple. The surrounding flat area of pigmentation is the areola." (ref. medterms dot com)
"Vegan Dogma" I appreciate the failed attempt at a misdirect, non-sequitor... yet the we can clearly see it is more a case of your "Puritan Dogma" and ASSumptions - that you have now made clear for the public.
@vimtolove Wow, you logic seems so... questionable and it is you that has implied or assumed perversion not I. Now I understand how you think!
Milking machines "Suck", milk, babies "Suck" milk, adults "suck" from straws... So you are basically saying I shouldn't use "suck" because Paul he is not a machine and/or been around the sun to many times.
"Nipple" I could have said teat but those are only found on bovid and the correct term is nipple.
I have lost most of the respect I had for Paul recently. I found out that not only will he not answer questions that imply something he doesn't agree with but he has very bizarre views when it comes to touching , religion and facial hair. He has no credibility whatsoever and it shows. Someone confident and professional would at least answer. Her question was not rude, though his response was He was also fired from Hippocrates for telling someone they were going to hell for being gay.
I think it's a valid question and should have been answered. She was not being rude at all. It's just as crazy to drink goat milk as it would be to drink milk from a human mother, that's the point.
Any honest person will admit that It was inappropriate to ask that -so explicitly- in a public setting. If she had a problem with a goat being milked for human consumption she could have made that statement and left it alone. Sometimes I'm amazed at the lack of basic decorum in society.
i suspect pauls real answer would be- hey, i drink both! but being respectful of his wife, he doesnt lower himself to discussing sharing his wifes milk in public...long live delicious goats milk! and viva to every wife who shares herself so intimately with her man!
The person who asked this question was rude and kept interrupting my lecture with stupid questions. This question was enough for me to ask her to turn off her camera. The point I was making in the lecture was Raw Goat milk is not as bad as cooked drugged cows milk that is sold in the store. In no way does drinking goat milk harm the goat.
Now let's try HONESTY & FACTS... from one was in attendance and has a video recording of the event!
1) She was not rude & did NOT interrupt "your lecture".
FACT: This was the Q&A section after your lecture. See in the beginning of the video where YOU acknowledged her (w/ eye contact & a head nod) before she spoke.
2) Non-sequitur & misdirect - Her question had nothing to do with "milk harm the goat."
Plus - Weren't you specifically asked to avoid non-vegan topics?
it's so simple. he really should've answered that. becuase if your going to drink milk, why not drink it from your own species. instead, you choose to drink milk from another animal?!?!?!? i'd love to see people on the floor sucking on cow/goat tits!
becuse that's pretty much what they're doing. ...LFRV FTW!
This is exactly why I distrust people's intelligence when they throw some god into their talking. Thank you for showing us that Paul Nilson is just another shill. Religion and reason do not go along together very well.
I agree with your argument, and I would offer the possibility that talking about something so private, given his religious views was something that crossed the line for him. Now, I am not defending him, I think it is worth acknowledging that we aren't completely aware of what was going on in either of your heads at the time of this question. Your question/stance is clearly from a higher ground, but let's not persecute anyone maybe try and seek to understand for yourselves what this means to u :)
@monteros I don't think she is arguing, rather just highlighting a mismatch and inconsistency in ethics and values. So would you say that Paul is OK "crossing the line" by drinking milk from the "private" parts of a goat? Or are the private part of a goat fair game? ;-)
@Semimaru Very few people are not sheepl and look behind the wizards curtain and ask a question that exposes the mismatch and inconsistency in ethics and values.
this is dumb, why attack paul? he stands for so many of the same things vegans do and advocates a lifestyle very close to vegan. just rude on your part to antagonize him at his lecture.
@ChasinTranes Excellent attempt at creating an illusion! Paul was NOT attacked. He was asked a very simple question that exposed his highlighting a mismatch and inconsistency in ethics and values.
@strangebee - Paul Nison was obviously about marketing his ideals, book and both promote goats milk and he got called on his logic... and instead of defending his logic... he chose to try to put everyones head back in the milky sand - no response from Paul and he demanded camera go off - What the mighty Paul Nison AFFRAID of... TRUTH... and exposing his fallacy logic?
@strangebee - Is Paul Nison so weak he needs you to defend him.
Your attempts at DRAMATIC accusations... amount to dribble!!
"out of line" correct it was not 'in line' with Paul Nisons goat milk promotion and she offered him a challenging question and he could not answer... oooo such dialog horror!
"off putting" - Correct she did 'off put' his train of thought! oooo such dialog horror!
Hurry... help defend Paul from challenging questions!!!!
My intention was to inspire Paul Nison to expand his circle of "respect" & compassion to ALL animals. Paul has clearly chosen to NOT respect the lives of the animals he thinks are necessary for human consumption. Just because he chose the AVOID-dance does not charge me as a non-respectful person, yet I "respect" your attempted use of a non-sequitor and ad-hominum!
Let's see if we can stick to the topic - Challenging bovid milk consumption!
Martin Luther King made millions "uncomfortable" when he challenged people on their Racism.
I agree with MLK, and I was FAR more uncomfortable to have to ask a grown man, a caring father and a health leader about his form of speciesism.
Many people are uncomfortable when challenged about their lifestyle and/or promotion of speciesism, and to be more: aware, compassionate, and empathetic to hundreds of millions of animals that are: imprisoned, abused, mistreated... and murdered.
@VeganExcellence The topic I brought up was not about "bovid milk consumption" but how you handled the situation. Your arguments towards both Paul and me seem to stem from an emotional place; fervently lambasting anyone with a hint of supposed speciest dissent. You know the saying you gather more flies with honey than vinegar, right? (Mmmm.. honey.)
I appreciate you wanting better influence and communications yet you seem to be responding in a very biased way.
Since you have yet to address Paul's actions - by default are you implying Paul was perfectly respectful angel in his response to me, and he used "honey" to attract me to his milk diet message?
It is VERY obvious that you have chosen to again be both biased and protective of Paul and not the animals which he care-less-ly has chooses to ignore.
Instead you have chosen to focus on how I handled the situation and not address how Paul chose to be disrespectful by being dismissive to me and then asked me to shut off the camera - What does he have to hide? Shall we guess or will you tell us why are you have NOT addressed Paul's action/response to me.
Paul Nison present himself as a nutrition expert, dietary advisor, raw food leader and now scripture centered diet crusader. I asked Paul a simple question during the clearly described 'Question and ANSWER' part of his presentation and he chose to shut me down... and now continue to chose to focus on my minor challenge to him.
@VeganExcellence Another thing… you (a little vegan youtuber) comparing yourself to Martin Luther King Jr. is beyond absurd, ridiculous, ludicrous. It’s also arrogant and very egoist of you. Please do us all a favor and learn your place (in the food chain). Ha! How’s that for ad-homonym, lady who gives animal lovers a bad name…
Aha... the real you is revealed "vinegar" and all, sans the "honey" from your recommendation!
Again you resort to ad-hominem fallacy argument... I did not "compare" my self with Martin Luther King but you just tried to - BIG hug! What I did do was use his empathetic and sympathetic philosophy as a reference.
Aha... the real you is revealed "vinegar" and all, sans the "honey" from your recommendation!
Again you resort to ad-hominem fallacy argument... I did not "compare" my self with Martin Luther King but you just tried to - BIG hug! What I did do was use his empathetic and sympathetic philosophy as a reference.
Belittling me, "little vegan youtuber" only exposes your level, and using it as an attempt to raise yourself up.
Yes, I am an animal lover and I love humans as well. I even have empathy for those that are mentally handicapped, especially those whose handicap has them form a small and myopic circle of compassion and love.
Next lets see if you will surprise us by adding that you are a "Cristian" (Christ-like) and will offer your posting history as the proof for all the world to see!
@july1962 While I understand where she was coming from it was confrontational and out of line. I get that it makes sense Not to drink other animals milk. In fact I'm allergic and don't touch the stuff 99 percent of the time....
1) I'm open to understanding what proof you have for my question being "out of line"
2) Again you make no mention of Paul's action. He ignored and dismissed me and then asked me to turn off the camera. Was Paul Nison action 'in line'? What was he wanting to hide? he was not even man or respectful enough to say he did not want to respond!
I love the accent
Legoequalsfun 3 months ago
This is good. Thanks for posting. I actually look forward to the days of suckling again. Also, the durian king says that it doesnt harm the goat if milked however, to my understanding, if an animal is not nursing young it will stop producing milk until it has another offspring. Alas women are not constantly producing milk once they are of age to produce. And last but not least men also produce milk in some instances. Spaseeba rawexcellance.
Legoequalsfun 3 months ago
Amen!!! By the way, I love how she repeated the question... (:
Ravester365 4 months ago
Doesn't matter if she said nipple or not, the fact that people think its okay to drink milk from an animal yet find it gross to drink human breast milk??? Not to mention humans are the only species that drink milk as adults and from another species......multi billion (if not more) dollar industry, that feeds people morphine (Casomorphin found in cows milk) and pays politicians.....Keep voting with your wallets sheeple.
vault3420 4 months ago
you got that feeling that that woman has been sucking on something for quite a while.
cirosuperiore 9 months ago
@cirosuperiore
Who is the "you" you wrote of? Seems more like your parapraxis (aka Freudian slip) that you now have revealed to the world what is on your mind. Do you often have these types of thoughts? ;-)
VeganExcellence 9 months ago
@vimtolove
The TOPIC was NOT PENIS or VAGINA... if it was the topic and Paul was drinking extras from suckled bovid penises and vagina's I WOULD DEFINITELY have called him on his IDIOTIC logic and ask - Do you suck you wife's vagina?
Congratulations... you have won the DUMB DONKEY of the day award!
I strongly suggest you STOP projecting your perversions and ASSumptions, and instead focus on protecting the TRUTH and good LOGIC rather than your GURU and some of their logic inconsistencies!
VeganExcellence 11 months ago
@vimtolove
I understand that YOU have these perverted ideas & wish to project them onto me and the public.
1) STAY ON TOPIC... MILKING! Humans use their hands to extract milk out of: goats, cows, horses, yacks... and it seems you 'think' that is fine, BUT if I where to ask Paul if his child sucks milk from his wife that is fine.
2) CORRECTION my ONE TOPIC did not put HIM down - I questioned his logic in ONLY one area. I asked his logic about on ONE topic then YOU ASSume I think like you!
VeganExcellence 11 months ago
@vimtolove
Medical Term: Nipple "The pigmented projection on the surface of the breast. Ducts that conduct milk from the mammary glands to the surface of the breast exit through the nipple. The surrounding flat area of pigmentation is the areola." (ref. medterms dot com)
"Vegan Dogma" I appreciate the failed attempt at a misdirect, non-sequitor... yet the we can clearly see it is more a case of your "Puritan Dogma" and ASSumptions - that you have now made clear for the public.
VeganExcellence 11 months ago 2
@vimtolove Wow, you logic seems so... questionable and it is you that has implied or assumed perversion not I. Now I understand how you think!
Milking machines "Suck", milk, babies "Suck" milk, adults "suck" from straws... So you are basically saying I shouldn't use "suck" because Paul he is not a machine and/or been around the sun to many times.
"Nipple" I could have said teat but those are only found on bovid and the correct term is nipple.
VeganExcellence 11 months ago
I have lost most of the respect I had for Paul recently. I found out that not only will he not answer questions that imply something he doesn't agree with but he has very bizarre views when it comes to touching , religion and facial hair. He has no credibility whatsoever and it shows. Someone confident and professional would at least answer. Her question was not rude, though his response was He was also fired from Hippocrates for telling someone they were going to hell for being gay.
egbach420 11 months ago
I think it's a valid question and should have been answered. She was not being rude at all. It's just as crazy to drink goat milk as it would be to drink milk from a human mother, that's the point.
chrisbrown2211 1 year ago
Any honest person will admit that It was inappropriate to ask that -so explicitly- in a public setting. If she had a problem with a goat being milked for human consumption she could have made that statement and left it alone. Sometimes I'm amazed at the lack of basic decorum in society.
BornInTzyon 1 year ago
i suspect pauls real answer would be- hey, i drink both! but being respectful of his wife, he doesnt lower himself to discussing sharing his wifes milk in public...long live delicious goats milk! and viva to every wife who shares herself so intimately with her man!
erezsitzer 1 year ago
This is hilarious!
generaleditor 1 year ago
The person who asked this question was rude and kept interrupting my lecture with stupid questions. This question was enough for me to ask her to turn off her camera. The point I was making in the lecture was Raw Goat milk is not as bad as cooked drugged cows milk that is sold in the store. In no way does drinking goat milk harm the goat.
thedurianking 1 year ago
@thedurianking
Now let's try HONESTY & FACTS... from one was in attendance and has a video recording of the event!
1) She was not rude & did NOT interrupt "your lecture".
FACT: This was the Q&A section after your lecture. See in the beginning of the video where YOU acknowledged her (w/ eye contact & a head nod) before she spoke.
2) Non-sequitur & misdirect - Her question had nothing to do with "milk harm the goat."
Plus - Weren't you specifically asked to avoid non-vegan topics?
tubeexcellence 1 year ago 5
@thedurianking "and rejoice with the wife of thy youth... let her breasts satisfy thee at all times..." -- proverbs 5:18-19
JackHighlander 1 year ago
The description you put with the video is really great. Seems like he has lost his way, lets hope he finds his sanity again.
louel83 1 year ago
LOL!
This is really really funny!
But than again, she is soooooo right! hahahahahaha
louel83 1 year ago
lol. hilarious at how pathetic the guy can get not answering a question like that.
FruitarianSwimster 1 year ago
Hahaha. Bold move.
splow07 1 year ago
it's so simple. he really should've answered that. becuase if your going to drink milk, why not drink it from your own species. instead, you choose to drink milk from another animal?!?!?!? i'd love to see people on the floor sucking on cow/goat tits!
becuse that's pretty much what they're doing. ...LFRV FTW!
melzio69 1 year ago
This is exactly why I distrust people's intelligence when they throw some god into their talking. Thank you for showing us that Paul Nilson is just another shill. Religion and reason do not go along together very well.
ThunderPreacher 1 year ago 4
Paul Nison ain't vegan!?
What with all these bottles in the background!?
TheSuperAstro 1 year ago
Looks like he's trying to look like bin laden lol!
82Bdog 1 year ago 2
lol i didnt expect that :)
mOOds999 1 year ago
I agree with your argument, and I would offer the possibility that talking about something so private, given his religious views was something that crossed the line for him. Now, I am not defending him, I think it is worth acknowledging that we aren't completely aware of what was going on in either of your heads at the time of this question. Your question/stance is clearly from a higher ground, but let's not persecute anyone maybe try and seek to understand for yourselves what this means to u :)
monteros 1 year ago
@monteros I don't think she is arguing, rather just highlighting a mismatch and inconsistency in ethics and values. So would you say that Paul is OK "crossing the line" by drinking milk from the "private" parts of a goat? Or are the private part of a goat fair game? ;-)
tubeexcellence 1 year ago 5
He and his drones are so terrified of thinking/answering.
thestreetsempty 1 year ago
hahaha this is amazing
princessa94 1 year ago
My God!
This woman incarneted my question!
SUPERSTAR!
DrSeptember 1 year ago
Maybe he drinks goats milk for the same reason most vegans drink milk whether they openly admit to or not after a period of time.
Paseo123 1 year ago
lmao, no answer and asking to have the camera turned off, what a let down!
Semimaru 1 year ago
@Semimaru Very few people are not sheepl and look behind the wizards curtain and ask a question that exposes the mismatch and inconsistency in ethics and values.
tubeexcellence 1 year ago
maybe the guy was 'under pressure' ... in public ,speaking etc .
Then, was posed a question which perhaps made him really think about it...and his 'ego' got in way ?!
Everyone is learning no ? .. even 'guru' types .
VonLeachim 1 year ago
this is dumb, why attack paul? he stands for so many of the same things vegans do and advocates a lifestyle very close to vegan. just rude on your part to antagonize him at his lecture.
ChasinTranes 1 year ago
@ChasinTranes Excellent attempt at creating an illusion! Paul was NOT attacked. He was asked a very simple question that exposed his highlighting a mismatch and inconsistency in ethics and values.
tubeexcellence 1 year ago
That was a fair question and I dont understand why Paul didnt answer it. I will ask him.
durianriders 1 year ago 24
@durianriders Please also read the description! =:-)
tubeexcellence 1 year ago
Thank you for being a voice for the voiceless...
wonderfulvibe 1 year ago
HAHAHAHA! Way to go! I agree!
PapillonPower 1 year ago
Well done. People who chose to intentionally abuse other living beings should not ask for respect.
TheAnimalHolocaust 1 year ago 23
@TheAnimalHolocaust How is drinking Goat's milk from a local farm animal abuse?
RedWolfSorcerer 1 year ago
@RedWolfSorcerer
Most abuse that it is require to kill the kids (baby goats). Please read article on HumaneMyth org from a former goat farmer Cheri Ezell-Vandersluis.
VeganExcellence 1 year ago
@strangebee - Paul Nison was obviously about marketing his ideals, book and both promote goats milk and he got called on his logic... and instead of defending his logic... he chose to try to put everyones head back in the milky sand - no response from Paul and he demanded camera go off - What the mighty Paul Nison AFFRAID of... TRUTH... and exposing his fallacy logic?
tubeexcellence 1 year ago 3
@strangebee - Is Paul Nison so weak he needs you to defend him.
Your attempts at DRAMATIC accusations... amount to dribble!!
"out of line" correct it was not 'in line' with Paul Nisons goat milk promotion and she offered him a challenging question and he could not answer... oooo such dialog horror!
"off putting" - Correct she did 'off put' his train of thought! oooo such dialog horror!
Hurry... help defend Paul from challenging questions!!!!
tubeexcellence 1 year ago
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." Dr. Martin Luther King
Bravo for challenging Paul Nison! Bring on the social discourse!
Very few have the COURAGE to challenge someone thinking in public!
In 1996 I sat down with Deepak Chopra in his office to interview him for a cover
story for a national magazine. One of the first questions I asked him - How do you respond to all the recent criticism of you and your programs?
His reply, "Often times my critics are my best advisers"
tubeexcellence 1 year ago
Obviously he felt uncomfortable with the question and you should have respected that.
strangebee 1 year ago
@strangebee
"Respect "is the reason for my question!
My intention was to inspire Paul Nison to expand his circle of "respect" & compassion to ALL animals. Paul has clearly chosen to NOT respect the lives of the animals he thinks are necessary for human consumption. Just because he chose the AVOID-dance does not charge me as a non-respectful person, yet I "respect" your attempted use of a non-sequitor and ad-hominum!
Let's see if we can stick to the topic - Challenging bovid milk consumption!
VeganExcellence 1 year ago
@strangebee
Martin Luther King made millions "uncomfortable" when he challenged people on their Racism.
I agree with MLK, and I was FAR more uncomfortable to have to ask a grown man, a caring father and a health leader about his form of speciesism.
Many people are uncomfortable when challenged about their lifestyle and/or promotion of speciesism, and to be more: aware, compassionate, and empathetic to hundreds of millions of animals that are: imprisoned, abused, mistreated... and murdered.
VeganExcellence 1 year ago
@VeganExcellence The topic I brought up was not about "bovid milk consumption" but how you handled the situation. Your arguments towards both Paul and me seem to stem from an emotional place; fervently lambasting anyone with a hint of supposed speciest dissent. You know the saying you gather more flies with honey than vinegar, right? (Mmmm.. honey.)
strangebee 1 year ago
@strangebee
I appreciate you wanting better influence and communications yet you seem to be responding in a very biased way.
Since you have yet to address Paul's actions - by default are you implying Paul was perfectly respectful angel in his response to me, and he used "honey" to attract me to his milk diet message?
It is VERY obvious that you have chosen to again be both biased and protective of Paul and not the animals which he care-less-ly has chooses to ignore.
VeganExcellence 1 year ago
@strangebee
Instead you have chosen to focus on how I handled the situation and not address how Paul chose to be disrespectful by being dismissive to me and then asked me to shut off the camera - What does he have to hide? Shall we guess or will you tell us why are you have NOT addressed Paul's action/response to me.
VeganExcellence 1 year ago
@stranegbee
Paul Nison present himself as a nutrition expert, dietary advisor, raw food leader and now scripture centered diet crusader. I asked Paul a simple question during the clearly described 'Question and ANSWER' part of his presentation and he chose to shut me down... and now continue to chose to focus on my minor challenge to him.
VeganExcellence 1 year ago
@VeganExcellence Another thing… you (a little vegan youtuber) comparing yourself to Martin Luther King Jr. is beyond absurd, ridiculous, ludicrous. It’s also arrogant and very egoist of you. Please do us all a favor and learn your place (in the food chain). Ha! How’s that for ad-homonym, lady who gives animal lovers a bad name…
strangebee 1 year ago
@strangebee
Aha... the real you is revealed "vinegar" and all, sans the "honey" from your recommendation!
Again you resort to ad-hominem fallacy argument... I did not "compare" my self with Martin Luther King but you just tried to - BIG hug! What I did do was use his empathetic and sympathetic philosophy as a reference.
VeganExcellence 1 year ago
@strangebee
Aha... the real you is revealed "vinegar" and all, sans the "honey" from your recommendation!
Again you resort to ad-hominem fallacy argument... I did not "compare" my self with Martin Luther King but you just tried to - BIG hug! What I did do was use his empathetic and sympathetic philosophy as a reference.
VeganExcellence 1 year ago
@strangebee
Belittling me, "little vegan youtuber" only exposes your level, and using it as an attempt to raise yourself up.
Yes, I am an animal lover and I love humans as well. I even have empathy for those that are mentally handicapped, especially those whose handicap has them form a small and myopic circle of compassion and love.
Next lets see if you will surprise us by adding that you are a "Cristian" (Christ-like) and will offer your posting history as the proof for all the world to see!
VeganExcellence 1 year ago
@strangebee What's to be uncomfortable about? It's a perfectly good question about a very normal thing.
july1962 1 year ago
@july1962
Aha... I knew there was at least one non-biased think for them person out there who had escaped the 'milk and dairy industries mental prison! ;-) LOL
tubeexcellence 1 year ago
@july1962 While I understand where she was coming from it was confrontational and out of line. I get that it makes sense Not to drink other animals milk. In fact I'm allergic and don't touch the stuff 99 percent of the time....
strangebee 1 year ago
@strangebee
1) I'm open to understanding what proof you have for my question being "out of line"
2) Again you make no mention of Paul's action. He ignored and dismissed me and then asked me to turn off the camera. Was Paul Nison action 'in line'? What was he wanting to hide? he was not even man or respectful enough to say he did not want to respond!
VeganExcellence 1 year ago
@VeganExcellence Actually I saw him stumbling to create a response to an off putting question and you even being more insulting. That is all.
strangebee 1 year ago