Discovering Religion: Ep 09 - Vestigial Organs (1 of 2)

[Unclesamslair]

I didn't know the Vatican was in San Francisco.

[GiveEmHellMCR]

Its said "E-Kid-Na" not E-Chid-Na"

[GiveEmHellMCR]

I always thought dolphins and whales tails used to be feet and they morphed and fused into a flipper? (or whatever the tail thing is called)

[GiveEmHellMCR]

If god was real most people would be doomed to all eternity in hell. Even hardcore christians get unpure thoughts, you cant help it. Luckily god is not real. Phew!

[iwanttocrashmybike]

I am against all Religions as a Christian,I know a Paradox,but so is empty "Solid" Matter eh?

[barnzee1]

les nuits! song by nightmare on wax! i love that jam

[aabulow2]

just btw orca are dolphins, they are often mistaken for whales due to their common name of "killer whale." However the reason orca are so called is that they actually kill whales not because they are themselves whales.

[eastjones]

@aabulow2 "The killer whale (Orcinus orca), commonly referred to as the orca, and less commonly as the blackfish, is a toothed whale belonging to the oceanic dolphin family "

"The orca or killer whale is a toothed whale that is an efficient predator, even attacking huge young blue whales"

"Cetaceans include the whales, dolphins and porpoises. There are over 75 species of Cetaceans. Whales belong to the order Cetacea"

from quick google search

[TruthIsLife7]

Sure. Google: "Do any vestigial organs exist in humans?" for several references from history and a summary of the evolutionists trying to hide this and move the goal posts. Also, even now it's sometimes said that way.

"Appendix, tonsils, various redundant veins—they're all vestigial body parts once considered expendable, if not downright USELESS (emphasis mine)." National Geographic,

"Vestigial Organs Not So Useless After All, Studies Find"

[opethgarzaMD]

@TruthIsLife7

there's a lot of misleading data in the web, considering since my days of highschool, if you're looking for a very specialized information, you will find shallow, obsolete, or even un-sustained data on the web

so a cited reference like google, isn't enough, you should find a more serious reference than any random website to consider a sustained argument in a scientific subject

[HeyRuka]

I love your videos. You're brilliant :)

[STAG162]

I noticed you've used a lot of Australian animals in that vid, but I must stress the echidna isn't used with a soft 'ch'.. think of it as e-kid-na.

You're not the only one, a lot of foreign tongues get it wrong, but it's no less irritating.

[laurenjeroen]

opps never mind... watched the whole vid now... (",)

[laurenjeroen]

silly question, but why is there a ramdon kiwi picture in this vid?!?

love the vids by the way... it's like midnight and i can't stop watching!

[TaylorX04]

Lesbian Lizards... that would make a great band name.

[qabala]

I hate to be another knitpicker here, but I notice from several of your videos that you are, like most truth-seekers, willing to correct your own errata.

Therefore, it behooves me to point out that your definition of "vestigial" is in error. A vestigial structure does not necessarily have to be non-functional. It merely has to no longer serve its' original function.

In that sense, most (if not all) organs are vestigial.

The comments here seem to hinge on that common misunderstanding.

[DiscoveringReligion]

@qabala

Yes, you are correct! I apologize for not providing a more accurate definition. 

[qabala]

@DiscoveringReligion

I am still watching this series and will offer criticism where I feel it is warranted, but keep in mind that I think this is a very engaging series of videos.

There is no need to apologize.

I really hate to critique such a brilliant series. I will be happy to concede if I am wrong on any point.

Please continue to take my criticism as constructive and not adversarial.

[TruthIsLife7]

@DiscoveringReligion qabala is not correct at all. Read up on the history of science and what people were saying 100 years ago about the meaning of vestigial.

[TruthIsLife7]

@qabala Sorry, but you are not correct. Vestigial organs meant useless non-functional from the beginning..it's only after most vestigial organs were debunked and found to have purpose that evolutionists tried to rewrite history and hide the fact that this prediction like numerous others in evolution have been falsified. There are a few sincere atheists and evolutionists, but most are not truth seekers and do not correct errors. I have 1000s of examples of this.

[qabala]

@TruthIsLife7

Feel free to cite a reference.

[itzahazylife]

@TruthIsLife7

would u like to explain to all of us what purpose fully formed eyes serve on golden moles in Africa?..these moles are 100% blind and have a thick layer of skin covering their eyes..

how about deactivated genes in birds for producing teeth?..is there another reason to have a gene that makes teeth, other than making teeth?..yet, birds don't have teeth..but, evolution predicts that birds evolved from dinosaurs. so, it makes perfect evolutionary sense birds would have these genes.

[wavedash101]

I think newer studies are saying that the appendix is not vestigial.

[DiscoveringReligion]

@wavedash101

Can you please cite the name and date of the scientific journal?

[gabeparkerone]

just because we have vestigial organs (the appendix, coccyx, and wisdom teeth are not vestigial) doesn't prove that we came from monkeys. Or that life spontaneously came into existence. What it does prove is that we no longer live in conditions that require said structure. Evolutionists and atheists need to stop meanderin with trivial arguments such as vestigial structures and explain how life cam from a non-living thing, how we get elements like gold and silver since that cant be created in...

[gabeparkerone]

fusion which that in itself proves that God had to create it. Or try explaining how organisms switched from asexual reproduction to sexual reproduction. Evolution is a crock and our very existence would be possible without God.

[Omnywrench]

@gabeparkerone also, abiogenesis and atomic fusion are COMPLETELY different branches of science. Evolution simply explains why life is so diverse. That's it. As for the evolution of sex, cdk007 made an excellent video on that subject. I highly recommend it. Also, I'm assuming you meant to say "our very existence would NOT be possible without God", otherwise you're contradicting yourself.

[Omnywrench]

@gabeparkerone "What it does prove is that we no longer live in conditions that require said structure."

That's natural selection right there. The appendix, tailbone and wisdom teeth are needless for omnivorous bipeds with good dental hygiene, and thus they are naturally selected against. This was explained right in the video; pay attention. Also, the Theory of Evolution and Atheism have nothing to do with each other. Accepting evolution doesn't make you an atheist, or vice versa.

[DiscoveringReligion]

@XanatharEye

"Drowning themselves"? Havent you ever seen birds fishing? There are many examples of birds that dive in the water and swim to catch fish. Without any natural predators, penguins remained on the ground and developed extra layers of fat to keep warm. Over thousands of generations they became too heavy to fly and their wings more adapted for water than the air. Instead of making wild speculations, investigate the knowledge base evolutionary scientists have already accumulated.

[XanatharEye]

@DiscoveringReligion That seems plausible... So can you clone an extinct proto penguin from penguin DNA?

[HybridD91]

@XanatharEye Why would you think such a thing?

[DiscoveringReligion]

@XanatharEye

I couldnt be more serious.

[wakcedout]

@DiscoveringReligion when it comes to folks like Xanathar here one thing comes to mind "you can't fix stupid!".

[play2loose]

Dear Discovering Religion,

Thanks allot for your videos, they are very helpfull and I hope you make allot more of them! Everything you said in these video's make allot of sense and I fully support your thoughts.

I do have a question about Vestigial organs. . My question has to do with how species were able to evolve from a single celled organism to a being who has a complex organ like an eye.

Thanks allot

[qabala]

@play2loose

If your question is sincere, you can see your question answered in visual terms by Richard Dawkins and/or several others on Youtube if you simply type "eye evolution" into the search engine.

[XanatharEye]

Fascinating stuff. Can you take a blind species w/ no site organs and w/ no genes for site organs and expose it to light and get it grow eyes in the same fashion that the fish lost their eyes after several generations?

[marklvrd]

@XanatharEye yes but you have to understand you will never see it in your lifetime because these evolutions happened over thousands of years.

[XanatharEye]

@marklvrd I just don't see how information is spontaneously formed from nothing. Like, would dead rocks form themselves into a square shape when you're walking by them? I must be missing something here because that is the same thing to me. Furthermore, the announcer of this video says things like "appendages meant to..." or "would not have been beneficial..." ....meant by whom? beneficial to what, survival?

[marklvrd]

@XanatharEye your not going to see the answer because your not looking for it.....

[XanatharEye]

@marklvrd sir I would direct you to the song "Answer" by Bad Religion

[qabala]

@XanatharEye

Look up experiments done with montmorillonite clay. Nucleotides form naturally in montmorillonite and even form complex chains all the time.

It's hard for even the staunchest evolution proponent to avoid terms that denote intent in a discussion on biology. Nothing in biology is meant for anything, but they are utilized in an attempt to survive.

"Beneficial" adaptations make survival considerably more probable (although not definite).

[qabala]

@XanatharEye

Most likely, any newly developed eyes (regardless of how many generations were required) would be based on a separate concept than the human eye. Ours is not the only type of eye in Nature.

Photochemistry is the basis of nearly all life on earth and there are possibly as many as 40 different types of photochemical reaction in nature which provide sight.

[weldon29]

Your videos makes me more interested in biology and evolution.

[HybridD91]

I remember when Kent Hovind was trying to tell this Biologist that humans with tails weren't tails at all, just skin. He brushed off the fact that the tail was in fact connected to the tail bones and had muscular function. Evidence will not work for creationists, at least the extremely dumb ones, by dumb I mean willingly to brush evidence to the side because it doesn't agree with your holy book.

[Athais]

Hi. What is the name of the song used in this video and part 2?

[RiddickTheKiller]

7:43 - It's CRASH!!!

Ok, sorry, back to serious mode.

[luddomatic]

@RiddickTheKiller aha XD funny one , but didn't get

[bluebeard2]

Echidna:- pronounced eh-kid-nah :o)

[CKSBoltaction]

@bluebeard2 lol yeah I heard him say that and was like wait <<rewind :)

[ahmology]

why dont u make a t.v station ?? that could be recived in every country ?? telling the truth before these delusional primates kill us all ??

[kastnmagic]

@ahmology "before these delusional primates kill us all"..... THANK YOU!! I've been saying the same thing!!

I no longer keep my mouth shut about this topic because it's EASY TO SEE where this is going...

[TruthIsLife7]

@ahmology There is far more evidence for creation science in most areas than for traditional atheism (and lack belief fails when it's rival has even one confirmation of a claim due to the requirement of science to follow the weight of evidence). See this playlist (and the Genesis Conflict series linked there by Dr. Veith, a former hardcore atheist/evolutionist with a Ph.D. in zoology who due to evidence became a creationist.

view_play_list?p=0F4C0511B7DFC­4C7

[opethgarzaMD]

@TruthIsLife7

your kind are always trying to cite this kind of guys, that went from atheism and science, to support religion with a PhD and stuff like that

haha i know a lot of PhD's without any exceptional knowledge and also a lot of them with exceptional knowledge that happen to be anti-creationists

what i'm trying to say, is that your so called PhD is just another preacher, with a PhD, with the same agenda which is to turn people into puppets

[Terje1337]

I saw some nature show yesterday. And there was this really cool bird, it Looked almost like a penguin but a little shorter, kinda like the Little Auk. The winks where incredibly similar too the penguin, but it could fly very well. When they ducked down in the sea they where swimming as fast as penguins.

anyone know what these birds are named?

[Disthron]

If those beetles have pirfictly formed wings under there fused wing covers dose that mean they could fly if you surgically cut them open?

[kennebacasiskyle]

fantastic



[Paulwhoisvegan]

Lesbian Lizards! Ha! Cool!

[naganokumas]

By the way, 'Platypus' is a name originally given to a type of ambrosia beetle.

I'm glad you mentioned marsupials, too.

Monotremes and marsupials help to explain a gap.

Reptiles - monotremes - marsupials - mammals.

You'd think these terms should be better known.

[naganokumas]

Dear DiscoveringReligion,

Thankyou so much for your videos. I'm a happy subscriber and endorser.

But I have a slight correction for you on something you said at 7:15. It's only a pronunciation thing.

The 'ch' in echidna is a K sound, as in Kemistry, and sKool.

Think of echidnas as eKidnas regarding pronunciation.

Once again, thanks heaps.

And I want to really thank you for mentioning monotremes. Transitional form evidence with a pulse. They lay eggs, have fur, and give milk.

[DiscoveringReligion]

@naganokumas

Opps =) Thank you for the correction. Its been a long time since my biology days in college hehe. I am very glad you enjoyed the series. I hope to keep producing more videos when I have the time. Take care!

[qabala]

@DiscoveringReligion

LOL! Don't feel bad.

I learned how to pronounce Echidna by listening to the song "Mammal" by They Might Be Giants.

It's a song based on the songwriters notes from biology class. watch?v=UBoU4DAxg00

[michalchik]

The existence of wings under fused wind covers is a strong piece of evidence as are the vestigial eyes, I can see most of the other examples being dismissed as we just haven't figured out the function yet, or they still are being used for that function.

[b1gr1g]

Your series > Kent Hovind

[ScienceWinsEveryTime]

More Evo Devo... awesome stuff. It amazes me that I can tell a religious person about structures growing on a fetus which later degrade or die (for instance, webbing between human fingers), and that doesn't deter them at all. Why should a duck grow tooth buds? Why would a perfectly designed dolphin grow legs? If you can't accept evolution, your only recourse is to ignore Nature.

[captaindisguise]

whoa ..the thing abt the lizard and fake sex, was amazing....Haha, that was some intelligent lesbian designing....

[PsychedelikMonk]

Loving the series so far! But I've been watching the playslist, so I keep forgetting to 5 star... Sorry... Will have to flip back through.

Small correction - 7:37 - Brushtail possum, not bushtail possum. Irrelevant, I know.

Thanks again for the brilliant series... I think Aron Ra and Potholer54 would be impressed.

[AcanLord]

fairly comprehensive.

but i just now the trolls are one their way to ignore the content in the video as usual..