Mormonism Not Christian Alpha & Omega Ministries 256 182 Sec PMT

[MRobert2l]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the ONLY true Christian church. It was foretold by our prophet, Joseph Smith, that one day an LDS elder would rule this nation, then the entire Earth, and one day, all the planets in God's glorious Creation! Hallelujah! You can't stop it! Vote Romney.

[Ahashdah]

CAVEAT & DISCLAIMER:

I, myself, generally have more things to criticize (re: "critical inquiry") about the way the LDS Corporation does business, than about any doctrinal issues. I am fine with the doctrine: except for the unwritten & largely unspoken "doctrine" of "getting with the program". I had always believed, as a member, that the PROGRAM was there to be a resource tool (or tools), to and for the member: not to be a task master demanding compliance. I was the odd man out, on this...

[Ahashdah]

(cont'd, for a 2nd time, in re: protestant minister)

And, ADAM replies to the Minister: "That is a mass of confusion!"

MINISTER: "That is the beauty of it", he says, with a ding-dong grin on his face.

...

And, then the scenario changes to something else, as (Saint) Peter, along with James and John escort Adam to another, different part of the OLD Endowment ceremony...

The point is this:

The Dufus Minister said the exact same things that I heard, in the Protestant Churches of the 1950s. DUMB!

[Ahashdah]

(cont'd, in re: Protestant Minister, in LDS temple)

And, because the so-called "Brethren" changed some things, this part is no longer generally known: except by older people, like me. And, because I have a good memory, I can give some of it, here:

The PROTESTANT MINISTER (played by an LDS actor) is asked, by Saint Peter, "What doctrine do you teach?" (concerning God)

ANSWER: "I preach of a God that is so big that He fills the Universe, and yet so small that He can dwell in my heart."

contd

[Ahashdah]

I like your videos, "Gene". You know that I always comment favorably, on what you put out there. One thing, though: I, myself, threw out the 3-in-1 God of Christianity, a long time ago--more than 55 years ago!

In the mormon temple, back in the 1960s (after I left the emptiness of the Protestant realm), I remember a "segment" of the Endowment Ceremony that, sadly, is no longer a part of the film that is shown, in the endowment rooms: the portrayal of a Protestant minister...

contd

[genexrollins]

@JediLDS "LOL....genexrollings never changes. STILL the same foul-mouthed hate I'm accustomed to reading from him. Real Christians don't use the kind of language he does, of course, so I'm not sure what he's trying to accomplish other than convincing Mormons that his brand of Christianity is not what they want to become involved with. Perhaps he will explain it to me. Without the profanity, maybe? (Okay, I guess that is a bit to much to ask.) "

there is a lot you dont Know! dumb ass!

[genexrollins]

@JediLDS I am reposting your comment to my account because its such a splendid demonstration of MORmON idiocy, and then DELETING your posting of it, because you are not entitled to post / LIE on my site, MORmON!

[genexrollins]

@JediLDS typical MORmON antics! Joe Smith rapes teen girls & blames it on God, gives himself the title *Prophet* and his filthy cohorts the sacred title of *apostle* THERE is profanity.... with BLASPEMY ! & you want to try to define what real xtians do? Real Xtians dont accept MORmONISM! you want to talk about hate? well MORmONS certainly are experts on that ! I just treat MORmONS the way LDS taught me to treat others, & you get upset! you are not entitled to an explanation! MORmON!

[dimic]

@ryanrocks181: Methodism is hardly a 'true Christianity.' Refer to the Early Church Fathers, of which all of whom practiced and professed the theology of the Apostles in full detail, though their teaching and practice is most definitively and pragmatically related to the historical Eastern Orthodox Church.

[Keruaran]

@ryanrocks181 I have never heard a Methodist speak with the same foul mouth that you speak with.

[genexrollins]

@ryanrocks181 "Well your bullshit laced, logically defective rambling proves one thing: evangelical Christianity destroys the intellect and rots the brain. In fine, you are an idiot."

You must have been talking to yourself in the above comments, and if you were not, you certainly should have been! " "I hate everyone who does not believe exactly what I do" bullshit religion claims you."

what an adept description of MORmONISM! MORmON !

[genexrollins]

@ryanrocks181 we already know your BS MORmON game / antics ryansucks181. Methodists are not going around defending MORmONISM against evangelicals. You MORmONS think you are so clever when you do this. You are not! Its a stupid trick that would only fool someone as dumb as a MORmON, you know ppl dumb enough to fall for Joe Smiths Insane BS & his BOM con.

[bobbyraejohnson]

Mormons are ridiculous thinking they are christians

[genexrollins]

@metallicarox80s yup, its time to DELETE your comment along with all of its bogus thumbs up from your sock puppet accounts that you have applied to it. Ppl would have to be as stupid as you are to not notice what you are doing. Time to clean up the MORmON crap thats been strewn around in here.

[genexrollins]

@DrTerminus your post didn't even last one day, stupid ass MORmON.

[genexrollins]

@metallicarox80s See the MORmON! See the MORmON whine about sock puppet accounts. See the MORmON use his sock puppet accounts to run up the comment ratings on his BS comments.See MORmONS INFEST Youtube with COMPUTER BOILER ROOM tactics. See how MORmONS LIE. SEE How MORmONS are HYPOCRITES! See the MORmON comments get DELETED. See the MORmON whine about *proof* of what ever. See the MORmON get BLOCKED! See the MORmON cry. See PPL LAUGH! at the MORmON!

[genexrollins]

@metallicarox80s "Why delete my comments, other than further proving that you've been exposed!?"

Uhhh, because this isnt your site to promote your POS LDS church! HOW ABOUT THAT, MORmON !

"Hint: if you're going to pull off a double, er, nine-tuple act with nine plus usernames, you should avoid using the same exact phrases, comebacks, & insults."

AH Yes! Advice from a MORmON! Reposted here for Comedy effect! (see how threatened I am by your BS! MORmON)

[genexrollins]

@metallicarox80s "Hiding something?"

Not at all! What an interesting comment coming from a MORmON, a member of a church that maintains an extensive closed historical archive to hide embarassing details/facts of the twisted ministry of its perverted founders & does not have open financial reports. why dont you ask that of your LDS Inc & "confront your MORmON innoculation ! MORmON !

[genexrollins]

@metallicarox80s " Block me!? That's what your "other usernames" did, too!? You're obviously afraid & I pose a threat to you. Sad day, for someone who spends his entire life bashing others. "

Well there is some real fine MORmON *logic* / *proof* / *conclusions* on display for the world to see.

Yah I was going to block you but held off for a minute & it paid off. See just how threatened I am ! MORmON !

[genexrollins]

@metallicarox80s I am going to block you & delete all your posts, because I have other stuff to do & you matter so little & this is not a forum for you to promote your POS LDS church.

[genexrollins]

@metallicarox80s hey your last comment didnt even stay up for one minute!

[genexrollins]

@metallicarox80s your MORmON paranoia/ persecution complex is dangling in the wind, MORmON!

maybe you got confused & thought you were Joe Smith & that your paranoia complex was Joe's Penis &that there were some dimwitted trashy MORmON women around here who would be impressed. Thats not the case,MORmON!

"Don't bother refuting this guy."

You mean: "dont bother TRYING to refute this guy" Because its not possible because he is armed with facts.

[ZantorAmar]

Follow Joseph Smith and Thomas S. Monson and got straight to the gates of Hell. Follow Jesus and be saved!!!

[MrTed38]

Judgementday is May 21 2011 for more info go to familyradio or google the date

[inachu]

1. first violation mormons made in regards to revelations. adding to the story of the bible by way of the book of mormon.

2. also noted in the Bible it also states that all when they die are dead in christ and will awake on his return. So those who have spoken to the dead and angels are really speaking to demons.

[genexrollins]

@SvenTveskegg go ahead & ride your meaningless unrelated tangent on out to oblivion. let me give you a boost on your way! (DELETE!)

[genexrollins]

@SvenTveskegg The exact supposed point of your personal crusade for personal aggrandizement disguised as inspired bible study & self declared profundity is meaningless when its all factored out. My site is not a an outlet for your lame desperate pitiful self promotion & attention grabbing declarations & antics. DELETE!

[SvenTveskegg]

@genexrollins lol "aggrandizement disguised as inspired bible blah blah"... your use of big words means nothing. everything you spout is based on nothing more than interpretations. "self-declared profundity"? lmao and what do you call your "profundity", prophetic? i love how you think you have some kind of spiritual "authority" to interpret Biblical teachings according to the "true" way for everyone else, as though it weren't a personal thing. you are ridiculous.

[genexrollins]

@SvenTveskegg I thought I had you blocked, you self infatuated crap spewing

idiot! Oh thats right, Youtube was acting up when I last tried, well I'll get that fixed right now. Oh BTW, I saw your subscription to DefendingMORmONISM over at your site, so that explains a lot about your MORmONIC statements! A video will be coming that totally blows open the real story of the MORmON VERSION of the Trinity that LDS believe in. IT will make Jeff Holland look like the real dumbass that he is. ENJOY !

[genexrollins]

@SvenTveskegg "your use of big words means nothing."

& if I had used small words you would still be stupid &wrong &would attack that too,because you are SO desperate,DUMBASS!

"everything you spout is based on nothing more than interpretations. "self-declared profundity"? lmao and what do you call your "profundity", prophetic?"

this shows just how stupid you really are. I have NEVER claimed to be OR HAVE a prophet like the LDS PHONY POS that leads U around by the nose, MORmON!

[genexrollins]

@SvenTveskegg Leave it to a stupid fucking MORmON (like you) to lash out at others on the grounds of claiming prophecy based on Fraud. Talk about HYPOCRISY! No doubt you would call "bigotry" soon too to defend your MORmONISM, its a natural for INSANELY HYPOCRITICAL MORmONS coming from your WORSE RACIST RHETORIC than the KKK LDS cult.

I NEVER claimed to be profound on this. I make basic observations that

continue to baffle MORmONS like you.Xtians opinions matter on Xtianity more than LDS!

[genexrollins]

@SvenTveskegg you stupid ass parasitic MORmONS want to attack Xtians &call them totally apostate, you dont accept their teachings or ordinances as valid, BUT then you demand that they accept MORmONISM as Christian when it suits you despite MORmONISM violating basic Xtian ideals. Well Guess what.

Xtians get to define Xtainity for Xtianity. NOT STUPID ASS MORmONS. I know U just cant understand that.U want all your nasty labels to stick, but not other's labels for you.YOU LOSE! MORmON!

[EscapeNewJersey]

members of the true church anciently did not call themselves Christians, for that was but a nickname applied to them in derision by those who hated Christ. The members of the Church called themselves saints, as may be seen from various New Testament references (see Rom. 16:2; 1 Cor. 1:2), which are confirmed by Webster’s dictionary and by the Bible scholars. This, then, is one of the identification marks of the true Church. The members are called saints.

[asd25471]

I think Mormons, like Christians, believe that there is only one God in our universe. In that sense, they are very different from polytheists like Hindus or people who believed in Greek/Roman mythology who believed in many gods affecting things on Earth. It's just that Mormons believe that there is an unlimited number of parallel universes (in the Multiverse) with their own gods, but these are all outside our space and time so not sure if this is necessarily inconsistent with Christianity.

[genexrollins]

@asd25471 and since you stated your opinion in a more objective fashion

with OUT pre emptive measures of issuing orders & dictates to others, jamming words into others mouths, or insisting that anyone who disagrees with you must not have done any research or studying at all, your comment will stay up & be respected for the contribution that it is.

[ReclaimMjollnir]

this video is ridiculous. as long as Christianity can define itself? how can a term define itself? man must put a meaning to a term, and a bunch of Councils and Creeds do not have the authority to define a term on an individual basis. for you to assume that "Christian" as it is defined in the "popular" world is the true definition is not only egocentric but completely ignorant. this whole argument is based on an ambiguous definition of a term. haha what a joke.

[genexrollins]

@ReclaimMjollnir The thing that is ridiculous is MORmONISM & YOU!

You cant accept that Christianity has conventions & that MORmONISM does not fall with in those conventions, not matter how much you howl, shriek, scream, &hiss& stomp your MORmON foot. MORmONS love to go off on traditional Xtianity over the Nicene creed & the trinity, but the funny thing is MORmONS believe in a trinity too, but expect to be off the hook on their version because they dont CALL it a trinity, THE STUPID ASSES!

[ReclaimMjollnir]

@genexrollins look, if you want to disagree with mormon theology, be my guest, i couldn't care less; i am not a mormon and do not feel the need to defend it's teachings. but at least do so without ignorance. my whole point was that the basis of this video's claim that they are not christian is based on a man-made term. a Christian is anyone who professes to follow Christ. it was the Creeds that gave modern "Christianity" it's definition, not Christianity itself. Christianity can't define itself.

[genexrollins]

@ReclaimMjollnir "Christianity can't define itself." and why is that?

its always a case of one ups man ship.

the israelites started a messianic myth

that they stole from other cultures

the roman empire hijacked it from them & then claimed

that the Jewish messiah had come

the protestants hijacked the xtianity of the Roman church &retooled it suit them

then Joseph Smith Hijacked that & retooled it to come up with the LDS BOM scam so he didnt have to work for a living.

(cont)

[ReclaimMjollnir]

@genexrollins hey think you have confused yourself with all your babble... "its always a case of one ups man ship." wtf does that mean? secondly, i have no idea what you are even arguing anymore you have gotten so far off base. it appears that through your rationale with this response that the entire world of Christianity is bullshit? are you now refuting ALL of Christianity, not just mormons? do you even KNOW what you are arguing or are you just arguing for argument's sake?

[genexrollins]

@ReclaimMjollnir it looks like you wanted to play as an intellectual

then you found out the hard way that it was way out of your league.

[ReclaimMjollnir]

@genexrollins huh? lmao are you even present during these posts of yours? what does me "playing as an intellectual" have anything to do at all with what this whole ridiculous debate is about, let alone my last post? or is that your way of telling me you are done (beaten) with this silly game and that was your last stand with "haha i got the last word in"? you sneer and scorn my "intellect" immediately after posting this: "its always a case of one ups man ship." is this your idea of intellect?

[genexrollins]

@ReclaimMjollnir " huh? lmao are you even present during these posts of yours? Yes, I definitely am! This is the question you should be directing to your brain!

what does me "playing as an intellectual" have anything to do at all with what this whole ridiculous debate is about "

I am very clear on what I am talking about it. It is you that is doing the HUuuuuuUH? whaaaaaaaa? duuuuhhhhhhhhh! routine.

I am just going to pull your stupid posts.

[ReclaimMjollnir]

@genexrollins great, we've cleared up that confusion. now let's get back to the topic. i believe the last thing was in reference to some kind of thought process that somehow christianity was ripped off from the Jews who ripped it off from several different cultures. i then asked if you were now refuting the entire world of christianity and saying it is basically bullshit and nothing but a ripoff?

[SvenTveskegg]

@genexrollins you do realize, I hope, that Reclaim has a point. You have rarely (and scarcely) proved any point, proof, etc. and you seem to be avoiding certain criticisms toward your critical video. you do a lot of "talking" but not a lot of "walking"; your posts generally revolve around digs at criticisms that don't appear to be well-thought.

[genexrollins]

@SvenTveskegg Its too bad that you have a serious reading/ concept comprehension problem & try to compensate by attributing your problem to others, thats a malady in addition to the first problem of yours. Its called "projection" by psychologists. Its also a VERY Common problem among MORmONS. James White stated his thoughts very clearly. Reclaim thought he refuted White on the MORmONS by bringing up the Nicene creed. Pointing out the problems of Xtianity does not make MORmONISM more correct.

[genexrollins]

@genexrollins (CONT) ... unless U R a MORmON.

MORmONS love to jump on the Nicene creed thing like they really have something, which is pretty funny because (Just as I pointed out) MORmONISM has a 3some godhead of their own but LDS expect a pass because they dont title it "trinity". Then you guys want to try to fault me for something, because I am not back with you beating your Xtian/Trinity dead Horse. IF Uhave problems with Xtianity over the Trinity, then thats YOUR problem, not mine!

[genexrollins]

@genexrollins Its MORmON style comedy when you losers

cant keep track of the problems that actually originate with you

& belong to you. You finish up by trying to label others as absent

minded or incoherent while you fumble with your own ideology.

You are chasing your own tail & then tripping over it & then trying to blame someone else. Its not working. You are the only ones in your brainless tight little circle you are turning (spinning) in. Try to keep up, even if you cant.

[genexrollins]

@genexrollins Cont MORmONISM is not Christian for the very reasons James White so very plainly stated, regardless of the Nicene creed. If you want to do a (Campbellite /Joseph Smith style) restoration then thats your doing, dont try to fault someone else for it, & MORmONISM still is not Christian. Choke on that for a while, its called reality, & dont try to blame me for the strange taste in your mouths. MORmONS !

[SvenTveskegg]

@genexrollins Additionally, you say "regardless of the Nicene Creed". There is no "regardless" in history. It cannot be denied that the term "Christianity" had to be defined by someone, and it is NOT defined in the bible except for ONE instance where the word Christian was used to describe Jesus' disciples. are you one? Otherwise, the term had to have a definition attached to it, which is what the Nicene Council did. This is not opinion, it is HISTORY. That is where the term was defined.

[genexrollins]

@SvenTveskegg "There is no "regardless" in history."

Thanks! There's an out of the park home run ball to show your limited grasp of reality.

[SvenTveskegg]

@genexrollins you see? here is a perfect example of your strategy. i just showed your ignorance and what do you do? you dart off in some random direction with a snappy insult to direct the attention away from the actual issue: your ignorance. the sad yet funny thing is, anyone reading this can see it so you look like the idiot. Fortunately for you, you don't realize it, so ignorance is bliss. you criticize the Creed argument, yet that is exactly what this whole debate is based on.

[SvenTveskegg]

@genexrollins 1) I read everything just fine. All you have done is throw around insults then claim you "love" mormons. no facts, just personal beliefs. since you brought up psychology, do you realize you can't prove someone's faith or belief wrong? 2) if you recall, Reclaim made it clear he was not trying to prove Mormonism correct, but that this video did not give enough evidence to prove mormons "not Christian". I think it is you who has the reading problem.

[genexrollins]

@SvenTveskegg The video was posted to show how MORmONS are not Xtians.

It does that. THAT is THE arguement. The video NEVER mentions the Nicene creed. YOU are the one who wants to wander off on YOUR Nicene creed tangent, then you want to blame me for darting off topic -which is what you are doing! THEN you get called stupid, because thats what you are.

[ReclaimMjollnir]

@genexrollins you are even more dense than I originally thought. I didn't bring up the Nicene Creed, I just supported previous comments. You are additionally dense for the fact that you say the video shows that mormons aren't christians, but THE BASIS OF THE ARGUMENT IS ON WHETHER CHRISTIANITY CAN DEFINE ITSELF. and how did Christianity "define itself?" not through the Bible. if you don't believe the Creeds defined Christianity, then who did? who defined Christianity? can't wait for this one

[genexrollins]

@ReclaimMjollnir "you are even more dense than I originally thought."

your thoughts have yet to achieve ANY substance.

" I didn't bring up the Nicene Creed, I just supported previous comments."

You did not start the war, you just signed up to fight on the Nicene creed tangent side. Great *meaningful* distinction there, Capt DUMB ASS !

"how did Christianity "define itself?" going clear back to Judaism as MONO theistic, just as has been pointed out.

[ReclaimMjollnir]

@genexrollins lmao notice how there is ZERO significant argument here, only weak retaliation. when presented with a logical argument, instead of debating it with valid points you simply lash out in the only way you know how. why oh why are you comparing Judaism to Christianity? you may as well be talking about Muhammad and Allah. like Sven says... WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF CHRISTIANITY AND WHO DEFINED IT?

[genexrollins]

@SvenTveskegg Traditional Christianity started when the Roman Church borrowed from Judaism &reformed it to their own purposes &controverted basic Judaism by claming the Messiah had come as the NT Christ. There is a connection in the foundations of both religions, but you dont see Catholics going around whining, CRYING LIKE BABIES that they really are Jews because they know they are not. They are confident enough in their own faith that they dont need to. Then there is the CRY BABY MORmONS.

[genexrollins]

@SvenTveskegg The STUPID ASS CRY BABY MORmONS not only retooled

traditional Xtianity, but they RABIDLY ATTACKED IT to get their NEW LDS deal going. & NOW the back stabbing PHONY ASS CRY BABY DONT AMOUNT TO MUCH MORmONS want to make sure they are counted as part of the MUCH LARGER MORE IMPORTANT CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY that they SO RABIDLY ATTACK when it suited them. THERE IT IS: MORmONS TRYING TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS AS IT SUITS THEM ! -BOGUS& PHONY! POINT MADE, END OF DISCUSSION.

[SvenTveskegg]

@genexrollins listen to yourself, man. you are all over the place. you have no coherent argument, just insane ravings about everything you hate. there is no foundation of what you are even saying, you are so crazed with hate that you cannot even give reasoning to what you rave on about. you keep side stepping the issues with witless insults. haha how can you not see this? i will prove it. just tell me one thing: what is the definition of "Christian" and who defined it? simple question.

[genexrollins]

@SvenTveskegg "listen to yourself, man. you are all over the place. you have no coherent argument, " I am all over the place?The video made a wellfounded point. I have stuck with that, given a little historical background of the main context, showed how MONO theism is a central tenet of Christianity going back into Judaic roots. Then there is You, wanting to go out on some tangent about the Nicene Creed. You are ticked b/c I wont go with you. You fret &fuss but I aint taken the bait.

[SvenTveskegg]

@genexrollins no, the video ONLY showed a definition of Christianity through the eyes of one who thinks that the term can define itself. if it could be PROVEN with fact (not interpretation) that the Trinity theory was true, and if any kind of definitives could be placed on what a "Christian" is, then the term could be defined using FACT and not BELIEF AND INTERPRETATION. show me in the Bible where Jesus says that God does NOT have a physical body and that the Trinity is true, then i'll shut up.

[genexrollins]

@SvenTveskegg you will most likely shut up NOW.

BLOCKED!

[SvenTveskegg]

@genexrollins "you will most likely shut up NOW.

BLOCKED!"

why do you keep saying "DELETE" and "BLOCKED" yet i am still posting messages?

[genexrollins]

@SvenTveskegg you will most likely shut up NOW.

BLOCKED!

[roxman777]

@SvenTveskegg Regarding the Trinity see: 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, The Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. Regarding God not having a physical body: John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” Dear Sven please know that if you are a Mormon, Galatians 1:8 reads: But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.

[roxman777]

@SvenTveskegg Regarding the Trinity see: 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, The Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. Regarding God not having a physical body: John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” Dear Sven please know that if you are a Mormon, Galatians 1:8 reads: But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.

[roxman777]

@SvenTveskegg Regarding the Trinity see: 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, The Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. Regarding God not having a physical body: John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” Dear Sven please know that if you are a Mormon, Galatians 1:8 reads: But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.

[roxman777]

@SvenTveskegg Part 2: The Book of Mormon isn't allowed! Read John & Isaiah (One God). Colossians 1:15-18... He is the image of the invisible God, Note: In the Greek, firstborn often refers to preeminence in position or rank. King David - the 8th child was called "firstborn" as was Israel. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

[genexrollins]

@SvenTveskegg I dont care about whatever NEW (as in ANOTHER OLD, TIRED, WORN OUT, PATHETIC, SELF INDULGENT) personally aggrandizing Christian fundamentalist reformation that you two idiots want to indulge in & see as your grand divine warrant to finally amount to something. It does not matter, Your Nicene creed whining does not matter. You are NOTHING! YOU WILL END UP AS LESS THAN NOTHING IN A SHORT TIME. My site is not a platform set up for you to spew your idiocy.

[genexrollins]

@SvenTveskegg the best that you two idiots have done in promoting your GRAND *insightful & profound* vision of whatever it is that you hope to promote while attacking the Nicene creed & getting so distracted along the way that you end up defending MORmONIMS, is looking like a couple of MORmON apologists, & that is horrendously PATHETIC! LOSERS!

[genexrollins]

@ReclaimMjollnir you want to talk about ridiculous?

lets talk about the MORmONS mocking the trinty while they ALSO believe in a trinity but expect to get away with it because the LDS dont call theirs a trinity.

MORmONS are INSANE !

[genexrollins]

@ReclaimMjollnir MORmONS insist on being considered Christian while violating Christian convention, to the extent that Xtain's opinion on the matter just does not count ! Hey, Guess what I want to be LDS too! I want to sit in your LDS meeting & call Joseph Smith a SEXUAL PREDATOR, A PERVERT, AN ADULTERER, A LAIR, & A BLASPHEMER & LDS get to just to LIVE with it because my opinion is what counts & theirs just does not matter! how do you like that deal? Thats what LDS do to Xtians! MORmONS!

[ReclaimMjollnir]

@genexrollins furthermore, i see very few "true" Christians in the world anyway. quite sad that people feel the need to kill, maim, criticize, persecute, ridicule and whatever else in the name of a Man that taught nothing but love. you are right, there are many un-Christian mormons, but there are just as many in modern day "Christianity". what a joke Christianity has become, people pointing fingers at everyone but themselves. i hope you do not profess to be a Christian; God bless you if you do.

[genexrollins]

ReclaimMjollnir "this whole argument is based on an ambiguous definition of a term." and just as *ambiguous* as the term *Xtain* maybe due to conflicts between the Nicene creed & your self proclaimed fundamentalist beliefs, the MORmONS still manage to violate the term "Xtian" beyond the framework however conflicted that you are so concerned with & fixated on.

[SvenTveskegg]

this video is actually the most coherent argument i've heard against mormons and the label of christianity. however, that is EXACTLY what this claim is founded on: a label. in the sense of the Nicene and Athenian Creeds which spells out christian dogma, yes mormons are in fact not christian. but who is to say that the Council is correct and by what authority do they lay claim to the term "christianity"? the Council had no more authority than joseph smith did to determine christian dogma.

[herbdoggy]

What a person believes is completely endogenous, you can not debate what someone else believes, it is a logical fallacy. It is akin to me telling you that you believe that you have any authority whatsoever to be discussing or practicing religion. When our Savior was killed, along with all the apostles, who was left with any authority? A bunch of "bible scholars" during the council of Nicea, spearheaded by the Roman emperor Constantine I ?!! Looks like you should call yourself Constantinians.

[ThorsHammerShallSmit]

the Bible MULTIPLE times gives reference to more than one world and more than one god. one need look no further than Gen. 1:26 "let US make man in OUR image". plural. Gen. 3:22 "...man has become like one of US..." hard for me to believe we are the ONLY world in infinite space that is ruled by a God. Obviously it is important to remember Corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God". but is it so far fetched to believe the same order is practiced in some other remote part of the Universe??

[genexrollins]

@ThorsHammerShallSmit "but is it so far fetched to believe the same order is practiced in some other remote part of the Universe?? " AND YET by MORmONISM own declaration via the BOM( you look up the REFERENCE It is you POS BoM!) Christ's atonement is infinite & eternal.... so it over arches into the dominions of these other God's ? GLORK! SMULP! SCHLOP! It makes sense to a MORmON !

[ThorsHammerShallSmit]

@genexrollins first of all don't assume that just because i responded to this post i'm a mormon. it only shows your ignorance. second, your description at the top of this post says mormons violate the basic tenets of christianity. how do you figure? what tenets do they "violate"? thirdly, why do you not respond to the original point, the multiple references that SOMEONE ELSE WAS WITH GOD when he created us. again, "let US create man in OUR image." how do you explain that?

[genexrollins]

@ThorsHammerShallSmit OH YAH! the old *NON Memeber* speaking up for the poor MISTREATED MORmONS SHAM. Nearly as old as the Gold Plates sham itself ! MORmONS love to treat everyone else like MORmONS too. Well Others are NOT that STUPID! Act like a MORmON, get treated like a MORmON. THats what works here! When you stick up MORmON Doctrine you are a MORmON!

[genexrollins]

@ThorsHammerShallSmit "how do you figure ... Mormons violate the basic tenets of Chirstianity " why dont you actually WATCH the video before you have your MORmON ass clown attack & start ordering people to be as stupid as you are.

MORmON!

[ThorsHammerShallSmit]

@genexrollins so now we are reverting to childish name calling as backlash when we can't find any coherent argument. first off, i stick up for anyone who is being misjudged: mormon, non-mormon, homo, lesbo, minority.. blah blah. you keep slyly sidestepping the original issue. I DID in fact listen to the entire video and found no concrete support that mormons violate basic tenets of christianity. and yet a THIRD TIME:how do you explain "Us" and "in OUR image" clearly there were MORE THAN ONE

[genexrollins]

@ThorsHammerShallSmit NO! I am not reverting to childish name calling. I am relying on accurate labeling. YOU are a dumb ass MORmON who engages in selective ignorance to try to get his way. Wear that label because you earned it !

First off: I dont owe you anything, MORmON ! I am here to make fun of you to those outside of your foul filthy cult.

[ThorsHammerShallSmit]

@genexrollins wow are you the same man on the video? i'd be surprised if you are, as you text as though you were pubescent, full of angst. so you say that you are "here to make fun of me to those outside "my" filthy cult". way to be like Jesus there! Matt 5:44 "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;" where is this in your little tirade? is that one of the optional ones?

[genexrollins]

@ThorsHammerShallSmit Yah, MORmONS love to talk about friendship & loving their neighbor... when they need to reel in some fresh victims. Being a good Christian does mean having to take MORmON knives in the back. Save your MORmON back stabbing act & knives for a fellow MORmON'S back. NO one here is going to put up with your BS MORmON games.

[genexrollins]

@ThorsHammerShallSmit I am not here to argue with you, because MORmONS are do damn dumb that YOU dont know what YOU really believe, so it would be pointless to engage you on the subject ! you believe multiple conflicting things at the same time & think its impressive. then want to fault others for it when they pin you down, then you accuse them of missing the point & being evasive! MORmON!

[ThorsHammerShallSmit]

@genexrollins haha there's your ignorance again... i don't go to church, you fucking tool. try to pay attention here and quit trying to figure me out. i say it as i see it. and you STILL defended the argument that there must be more than one God cohorting with the other because continues to say Us, We, Our Image... is he talking to the voices in his head? maybe his pet cockatrice? you tell me... give us your wise words of wisdom why ONE polytheistic God says to another God "Let US go down"

[genexrollins]

@ThorsHammerShallSmit my ignorance? you FUCKING MORmON ASSHOLE !

you want credence here because you claim you dont go to church, which means NOTHING either way. then you roll into full HD MORmON style apologetics, that I am not allowed to ID as such because you claim you have not gone to meeting for awhile. Its you throwing the tantrums because You are busted, MORmON!

[ThorsHammerShallSmit]

@genexrollins oh my god, just a simple answer please. no BS, no name calling, now childish rants. i just want you to "discuss" something YOU claimed on YOUR BLOG. you so articulately stated that true christians are monotheistic. yet i've given you just a few references that show the God of the Old Testiment, the very one that names Christ as the saviour, HAD ANOTHER COHORT GOD, otherwise he wouldn't have used the words Us, WE, and "in OUR image". if true christians are montheistic, clarify

[genexrollins]

@ThorsHammerShallSmit You want to get to the heart of the matter? HERE it is pal! WHY do you MORmONS care what the hopelessly apostate Xtains believe?

You think you can become Gods?isnt that enough for you? Why don't you go into your Hell House LDS temple & secret handshake & mock throat slit jack off yourself clear to MORmON godhood & leave the rest of the world alone? WHY NOT?

[genexrollins]

@ThorsHammerShallSmit the "WHY NOT" is because in reality MORmONISM has very little to do with God (s) hood & eternity, & HELL of lot to do with BLOOD SUCKING CORPORATE MONEY GRUBBING RIGHT NOW! & the MORmONS best gleaning field for convert VICTIMS is traditional Xtianity. Like stated before, MORmONS dont know what the Hell they believe! ITs just what ever it takes at the moment to BS & hijack another mis lead convert for more revenue.

[genexrollins]

@ThorsHammerShallSmit Xtians can be irritating & abrasive, but MORmONS are always WORSE by far. LDS are insane! LDS cant shut up. LDS cant stop lying. Thats why I am here (counter) attacking the stupid ass big mouth MORmONS! -People like YOU! Xtains can be a pain, but MORmONS (like YOU) SUCK beyond SUCKING !

[ThorsHammerShallSmit]

@genexrollins Jesus prayed to the Father (or wait, was it to Himself while in the flesh, hmmmm) and claimed "not MY will but THINE be done." not ONLY does this insinuate that he has a separate spirit from his Father, it also shows that HE HAD A SEPARATE WILL FROM HIS FATHER. he BEGGED the father that he would not have to go through the trial but wanted to submit to HIS FATHER'S will, not his own. how can God have two opposing wills? doesn't add up.

[genexrollins]

@ThorsHammerShallSmit you come in here & want to start jacking off with nonsensical MORmON circular logic BS & then be considered profound & intellectual & wise. No one here is buying your pathetic Joe Smith style CACA!

You are just a stupid ass & that is all. you have no idea who or what god is or is not. STUPID ASS! MORmON! THAT WE KNOW!

[ThorsHammerShallSmit]

@genexrollins yet you still sidestep the question and issue, the entire PURPOSE OF YOUR LAME ASS BLOG. you keep telling me i'm jacking off nonsensical mormon blah blah... what i'm saying has NOTHING to do with mormonism. i asked you how it is that if "true christians" are monotheistic then how do you explain that in YOUR OWN BIBLE it clearly refers to ANOTHER BEING? don't give me some smokescreen about mormon dogma, i'm not interested in that. answer my question as it is

[genexrollins]

@ThorsHammerShallSmit MORmONS expect to treat everyone else like MORmONS too&since MORmONS are endlessly chasing their own tails thinking its profundity in action,they love to put others at it too. I am not a MORmON, ASSHOLE. You already had your ass fed to you in previous replies.Its not my bible.Its not my job to explain it. Xtianity says its monotheistic. then there is you trying to tell them what they really believe based on some bible text twitch. Ply your BS antics somewhere else.

[ThorsHammerShallSmit]

@genexrollins Jesus prayed to the Father (*sarcasm here* or wait, was it to Himself while in the flesh? hmmmm) and claimed "not MY will but THINE be done." not ONLY does this insinuate that he has a separate spirit from his Father, it also shows that HE WAS CAPABLE OF A SEPARATE WILL FROM HIS FATHER. he BEGGED the father that he would not have to go through the trial but wanted to submit to HIS FATHER'S will, not his own. how can God have two opposing wills?

[ThorsHammerShallSmit]

@genexrollins Ephesians 1:17,20 Jesus is at the RIGHT hand of God. tell me, how can God sit at his own right hand? John 8:13,16-18,29 Jesus claims that one witness is not enough (v. 13) but his witness is sure because his witness is WITH the Father which fulfills the LAW of TWO witnesses (v. 17). how can ONE man/God's witness fulfill two witness requirements? John 17:18; 20:20,21 Jesus sent his disciples into the world, even as the Father sent Jesus into the world.

[ThorsHammerShallSmit]

@genexrollins the use of the term "God" and "one" can have so many meanings. there is nothing written that "One God" translates to "One Being or entity". it simply means "One God" yet we know that husband and wife are "one" Mark 10:8 "and they twain shall become ONE flesh; so they are no longer twain but ONE flesh." why is it so impossible that this is the nature of the Godhead? TWAIN but ONE. ONE in purpose and mind, goals, etc. why is this so IMPOSSIBLE? so comical.

[ThorsHammerShallSmit]

@genexrollins SO many scriptures that support that God and Jesus are separate entities (use of plural words such as WE, OUR, THEE, THINE, MINE) but the best analogy and the real kicker support is this: John 17:20-23 "That they all may be ONE; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they may also be one in us." if the disciples are one in the SAME way that the Father and the Son are ONE, then with this rationale, God and Jesus CAN be and most likely ARE ONE yet SEPARATE individuals

[ThorsHammerShallSmit]

@genexrollins the comical thing about this whole thing is you haven't given any proof, support, or any cohesive argument defending the trinity. like Sven said, by what authority did the Council lay claim to the term "christianity" and it's dogma? by what authority did the Council have the right to interpret the nature of God and Jesus being the same being, especially when it can easily be argued that they are TWO separate beings?

[ThorsHammerShallSmit]

@genexrollins 1:17,20 Jesus is at the RIGHT hand of God. tell me, how can God sit at his own right hand? John 8:13,16-18,29 Jesus claims that one witness is not enough (v. 13) but his witness is sure because his witness is WITH the Father which fulfills the LAW of TWO witnesses (v. 17). how can ONE man/God's witness fulfill two witness requirements? John 17:18; 20:20,21 Jesus sent his disciples into the world, even as the Father sent Jesus into the world

[ThorsHammerShallSmit]

@genexrollins how is christianity monotheistic again? oh, that's right. the Nicene Council decided it was so (which the Nicene Creed, in case you didn't know, was given to the world in the exact same way as joseph smith: through "visions") so a group of scholars gets together and decides for the rest of the world what the nature of God and Jesus should be then they spoon-feed their dogma to the world. how is this different from what JS claimed? both claimed to have "visions" of interpretation.

[theembracedofgod]

its called exegesis my friend. did you not watch this video sir?

[genexrollins]

@ThorsHammerShallSmit "try to pay attention here and quit trying to figure me out." OH! you forgot to say "dont pay any attention to that man behind the curtain" too. could you be any more transparent, you FUCKING IDIOT!

"Us, them, he, she, it, they," Means NOTHING! Mis applied English terms derived through a many translations, hardly definitive keys to the nature of God!

but thats where MORmONS key in!

[genexrollins]

@ThorsHammerShallSmit bottomline: Xtianity has its set conventions including MONOTHEISM! despite some strained similarities MORmONISM does not fall within those conventions, but MORmONS figure if they BITCH, WHINE & HOWL loud enough that they get some special magic MORmON exemption to the point that their LDS opinion matters and the Xtian's does not.

[theembracedofgod]

tell me are you LDS?

[genexrollins]

@ThorsHammerShallSmit I know your BS MORmON tactics very well.

You ignore the obvious & then demand proof to some impossible extent.

Then blame your opponent as YOU are the one coming up short. Then you pretend like you are clever. this sunday you will brag about how clever you were with this is in priesthood quorum. But the fact remains you are a DA MORmON!

[genexrollins]

@ThorsHammerShallSmit you want to flout the rules for Christianity AND still be a member of the christianity community. IT does not work that way.

[genexrollins]

@ThorsHammerShallSmit I am going to tell you straight out, MORmON. I have not sidestepped anything. YOU are the one off on a meaningless tangent, ignoring LDS violation of Xtian conventions. I posted this video, the pastor outlines what is going on very well. I stand behind that. One more BS quip about me sidestepping anything & I will block your foul lying MORmON Ass! There you go, MORmON !

[Copachick]

As humans are limited the answer is not what is the truth, but rather for what reason do you believe what you believe to be true.

both Christians and Mormons accept their religion emotionally or inherit it and thus both ideologies or at least the reason for believing is flawed

[genexrollins]

@Copachick none the less Christianity is the established set, MORmONS want to violate the rules for the set & then be included in the set anyway. When people point out MORmON conventions that violates rules for the set, then MORmON start howling, saying that Christians opinion on the matter doesnt count. MORmONS are not Christian, the fact that they dont like it does not change the fact.

[awolLDSasap]

Mormons are NOT, and have never been Christian.

They are Josephians and worshipers of men.

[POC777]

For all Mormons in Youtube:

This is the ABC's to salvation:

1. Admit that you're a sinner, can't save yourself and in need of a Savior(Romans 3:23)

2. Believe what Jesus Christ has done for you on the cross for your sin-debt. Place your faith and trust upon Him for your salvation alone.(Romans 5:8)

3. Confess that Jesus is LORD and receive into your heart as your personal LORD and Savior.(John 1:12-13).

Pray!

Is as simple as that and remain in your Ward until the LORD tells you to leave.

[theembracedofgod]

they must have an ability to under weave out of the false teachings and follow after God- only those who are being drawn by the Father. john 6

[ektycol]

A mormon became upset at me when I said mormons are not Christian. I asked him, Ok , am I a mormon? He said, "Of course not" To which I said, Why not? He said, "because you don`t believe in mormon doctrine!" I said, but you don`t believe in Christian doctrine so how can you call yourself a Christian? You see when sound logic is employed it is obvious why mormons are not Christian. Paul became upset with Christians who were putting up with fake gospels and Jesus. 2 cor 11:4, 2 cor 11:13-15

[POC777]

That was good thank you for sharing that with us.

Whenever, I speak to Mormons I don't tell me "right there" they're not Christian, but as I get into a conversation with them I allow them to tell me their Testimony and then is my turn.

I tell them my testimony how I felt so empty inside, found Jesus Christ and how my life with Him is much better and how I know I'm going to Heaven.

Then I give them an invitation to receive Christ!

[genexrollins]

how long before you pull the rest of your posts. how sad that Youtube blocks me from reposting them to keep MORmON trouble makers from backing out of their displayed idiocy and lies.

[lehtonenalaska]

Allow me to inform you of a couple of things: 1, both you and the minister are horribly mistaken about Mormons being non-Christian. 2, Mormons believe that Christ died on the cross and gave His life for us, which is also what other Christian religions believe! Also, unless you have read the ENTIRE Book of Mormon, you have absolutely NO RIGHT to be insulting The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Also, if we are Non-Christian, why are 1000s of people converting each day?

[genexrollins]

Not only have I read the ENTIRE POS BOM, I sold the POS for full time for years right in the shadow of the first MORmON temple, that is where it became blatantly obvious to me that Joseph Smith was a FRAUD & A LIAR. TOO BAD for LDS INC and YOU!

YOU have no right to keep pushing your LDS LIES on others in the name of God! And Dont worry we are going to put an end to all those converts. BTW there were far more Nazis than MORmONS so does that make Hitler right! STUPID MORmON!

[genexrollins]

ALLOW ME TO INFORM YOU, MORmON!

MORmONS and their concept of Rights is totally amazing. MORmONS demand the right to be considered christian even as their concept of christ violates Christian conventions. Before MORmONS are done

they deny the Christian community's right to have an opinion on the matter while Jamming their Bogus MORmON *Christianity* in everyone else's face. MORmONS!

[genexrollins]

Following MORmON suit, I demand the right to be considered a full fledged Member of the LDS church while also proclaiming that Joseph Smith was a fraud, a liar, a rapist,a conman &scum of humanity! I demand the right to say it over the pulpit on any LDS Chapel and any LDS celestial room! Just as MORmONS demand the right to be considered Christian as they rape the christian concept. MORmON!

[lehtonenalaska]

Okay. So how's your truck running?

[genexrollins]

What is Santa Claus' role in the MORmON God head ? tell us all about the MORmON doctrine on that ! it would be just as valid as all other MORmON beliefs! MORmONS!

[genexrollins]

This guy hits the nail on the head.

Much to the chagrin of Phony MORmONS! I want to thank him for this video & allowing me to repost it.

Big Salute for this minister!

[djwright44]

I am a Mormon and have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. He died on the Cross for me, suffered in Gethsemane, and is the only way that I can return to Heaven.

I accept only one God. If that's not good enough for this guy, I'm really not too concerned!

[genexrollins]

if you are following christ, -a christian, then what does MORmONISM have to do with anything? AND YET YOU GAVE YOUR MORmONISM HEAD BILLING! DUDE? , JESUS WAS NOT A MORmON! EVEN IF YOU ARE! MORmON!

[djwright44]

Fair questions......Mormonism is the "brand" of Christianity I have chosen to follow. Mormonism accepts the Bible as the word of God. I believe Christ visited the people of ancient Israel and called prophets/apostles to teach. I also believe God sent his son to ancient Americas, hence the Book of Mormon. God continues to call prophets today, hence my belief in Mormonism.

if you wish a discussion/debate on Christianity, I am happy to join in, but let's end the name calling.

[wtfrulookin]

genexrollins, I love it. In your reply to djwright, you claimed Christ was a Christian. That is a perfect example of how un-educated you are. Christ was Jewish. He was NOT christian.

Define a christian? Ok. One who believes in Christ. How hard was that? Also, does the Bible not say that deamons will refute the word God? How is one to KNOW you are not the deamon?

[genexrollins]

well thanks for trotting in here & acting like you are in charge, thanks for giving me an assigement as if you have the right to do it. NOW Take your orders & shove them! Its not my duty to define a Christian, However I have taken it upon myself to state what it NOT Christian, & MORmONISM absolutely is NOT Christian, no matter how loud your protest. Welcome to your MORmON Hell. Try to make your own way out, IT IS NOT MY JOB TO HELP YOU! NO MATTER WHAT YOU THINK IN YOUR MORmON BRAIN!

[genexrollins]

I NEVER said Christ was a Christian.

YOU are the one that made that up.

I SAID CHRIST IS NOT A MORmON.

I stand by it! & I AM NOW SAYING THAT YOU ARE A LIAR, who thinks he can put words in other people mouths & get away with it..

I may or may not be educated, but you are an ASSHOLE! You totally demonstrate why The MORmONS in Missouri had their asses beaten out of the state. You only understand MORmONISM & having your ass kicked.

[IExposeMormonism]

Well, there you go:" As long as fundamental defining issues are aloud to be stated and defined". I believe that's a hate crime in the USA today. If you define your words you must be making distinctions. Distinctions lead to differences and discrimination which leads to segregation. and morality.Now, what right do those Christians have to commit so many hate crimes? Mormonism rejects everything non mormon but it does it in a Polytheistic polygamous deist way leading to Universal breast burning

[johnyjamie]

The Bible itself reveals those doctrines that are essential to the Christian faith. They are 1) the Deity of Christ, 2) Salvation by Grace, and 3) Resurrection of Christ, 4) the gospel, and 5) monotheism. These are the doctrines the Bible says are necessary. Though there are many other important doctrines, these five are the ones that are declared by Scripture to be essential. A non-regenerate person (i.e., Mormon or JW, atheist, Muslim), denies one or more of these essential doctrines.

[djwright44]

The Bible does not and cannot teach that monotheism is essential to Salvation. The Bible, through it's very nature, teaches us that God is in Heaven, there is Son in Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost is separate as well. Christ's baptism is the perfect example.

[johnyjamie]

The Bible is clear that there is ONE GOD and one God ONLY. If you deny God's Word, you deny the true Jesus!

Go on a keep believing the lies of the Mormon church if it makes you feel better, but the ONE and ONLY true living GOD will not tolerate it and in the end, His wrath will be poured out on those who are disobedient and reject His Word!

[djwright44]

No, your interpretation of the Bible may be clear in your mind, but it is far, far, far from being as cut and dried as you claim. There are numerous scriptures indicating the separate and distinct beings of The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost. They are united in one in purpose, not in physicality.

Because I do not hold your specific (and very narrow) interpretation of the Bible, you then dam me to hell.....not surprised by that I suppose.

[johnyjamie]

The Bible is very clear there is ONE God. Read carefully Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8;45:5,14,18,21,22; 46:9; 47:8, John 17:3, Mark 12:32, 1 Cor. 8:5-6, Gal. 4:8-9,

Deut 4:35, 39, 6:4, 2 Sam 7:22, Psalm 86:10.

1 Timothy 3:16 says And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

You can believe God or believe Joseph Smith. Your choice.

[djwright44]

You and I do view God differently and I'm quite content with that. The God of Evangelicals is as described "without parts, passions" as taught by the Nicean creed. This is not the God as taught in the Bible, although you are choosing to pick verses that conform to your specific belief: a very common practise amongst Evangelicals.

I take for my guide the Holy Spirit, not the Bible, not the Book of Mormon, although both books contain timeless teachings that can bring us closer to the Spirit.

[johnyjamie]

There are many spirits, so how do you test the spirits like God says to without a standard or authority?

[djwright44]

I agree with your statement 100%. There are many spirits that out deceiving and leading many astray.

I use as my guide 2 Biblical references: Galatians 5:22: this clearly describes that the Spirit does work through our feelings. The other teaching I follow is from 1 Kings 19: 11-12. Here the scriptures teach us further that the Spirit is a "still small voice". I mean no disrespect, but I find the rock band method many churches use to "feel the Spirit" the exact opposite teachings of the Bible.

[johnyjamie]

Ok, you gave me 2 verses on testing spirits, but there are many more verses on testing such as Jeremiah 17:9, 23:16-17, 23:30, 23:32, 29:8-9, Gal 5:18-21, Isaiah 8:20, Acts 17:11, 2 Peter 2:1-3, Deut 13:1-5, Ezekiel 13:6-8, James 1:21, 1 John 1:10, Rom 16:17, and more.

BTW, the Bible says make a loud noise to the Lord, shout for joy to the Lord, and lift your hands to the Lord. So, dancing and clapping and raising hands is all biblical. It's how Jesus likes to be worshipped.

[djwright44]

Yes, there are many verses....the 2 I provided are the baseline for myself. Thank-you for the other verses.

Again, I mean no disrespect to how you worship Christ. If that is how you feel close to him, then I of course applaud your actions.

[johnyjamie]

Ok, can we get back to the fact that the Bible teaches there is only One God?

How do LDS reconcile Isaiah 43:10 or 1 Tim 3:16 with what Joseph Smith said about there being 3 Gods in the Godhead?

Remember one of the tests? Isa 8:20 says To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

[djwright44]

I will send a  link to your inbox for your review on our position and our Biblical views on the Trinity.

[genexrollins]

why? what good will it do? LDS have no idea what they really believe. They believe in the trinity for all practical purposes, but they dont want to call it the triniity. Why dont you send out your beliefs on SANTA CLAUS' role in YOUR MORmON God head too. It would be just as valid!!!! MORmONS!!!