PBS 50 Years War Hours 1 thru 3 of 6

[sheltercrow]

The video starts out with a falsehood "a homeland claimed by both Arabs and Jews." It's actually a homeland for the indigenous Palestinians (the people who actually lived there). The "Jews," in this instance, are actually Zionist (not all Jews are Zionists) claiming Palestine as part of a colonization project. Replacing Palestinians with "Arabs" and Zionists colonists with "Jews" is revisionism that PBS should not be a party to.

[Mindfultranslations]

I am developing the same attitude. I think that all of the people: Arabs, Zionists/Israel, are not as legitimate in their claim as rightful natives of the land. Even ancient Israel, did not cover all of Palestine. It was a city State, of 2 or 3 municipalities. I further believe that future invasions by Roman, Arab, Turkish, dynasties, further complicated this. Nevertheless, there is plenty of room on that land for all that wish to live there as small as it is. Inshallah, they will all agree.

[constructivereconcil]

I can offer several books for further reading, I am also working on getting more documentaries to fill in the holes, and any specific requests do help me decide what to work on.

Thanks for all of your participation.

[PatrickEngSU]

@constructivereconcil I really hope no one actually believes your comments: small countries using the superpowers as pawns? This and some of your other comments are just too foolish to even discuss. I know we could spend pages going back and forth siting sources and arguing, but your comments and arguments are those of a politician, not one who seeks truth; discussion would be pointless. Nice docs, I've seen most before, but I'll leave you to enjoy your fantasy with any followers you can find

[JeffKlives]

I know there was a recent book that gave an explaination on the motivation why the Soviets would lie and tell Egypt that Israel was massing troops along Syria's border in 1967. Anyone want to explain why you think they did that and then told Egypt not to attack first? I know there was not wide support for the explanation in the book - Soviets wanted to get rid of Israel's nuclear weapons.

[constructivereconcil]

@JeffKlives I think that the explanation of "Evgeny Pyrlin" from the Soviet Foreign Ministry: "We believed a war could bring us political gains. Even a stalemate could bring us benefits. Egypt had our backing, both political and military. We thought their forces would demonstrate the benefits of Soviet support. So we were confident that the balance of power in the Middle-East would be altered by a localized war."

There is a book accompanying the video production, with the same title.

[constructivereconcil]

1/? I'm going to elaborate; the reasons for choosing certain historical films for this YT project were to show evidence to understand it. The era we call "post modern" is noted for features such as mass communications, mass transportation, mass harvesting of fossil fuels. This combined with increasing productivity in some nations seemed by many to indicate that at one point, the larger imperial regimes would do more than grow by adding colonies; they would swallow other empires too eventually.

[constructivereconcil]

3/? Once you have seen the Nietzsche upload, you'll better understand more than the Nazis, because Karl Marx was also among the influences. Soviet Communism was driven by the same historical conclusions the Nazis arrived at, in fact many others too all came to conclude that the Bible was fraudulent, and that mankind needed a dose of reality. Judeo Christianity was marginalized, without really understanding just how much Western civilization owed to "The Gifts of the Jews."

[constructivereconcil]

4/? WRT the "Gifts of the Jews," the Western counter to these startup philosophies were liberal democratic ideals that had their roots of "self evident" beliefs in the Bible, without attribution. Humanism was eventually seen as secular, which it was not.

So Western liberal democracy that drove the Declaration of Independence, was seen by communists as "counter revolutionary" & elitist, through the lens of Marxist collectivism, and had to be totally destroyed. Soviet Communism...

[constructivereconcil]

5/5

Western liberal democracy that drove the Declaration of Independence, was seen by communists as "counter revolutionary" & elitist, through the lens of Marxist collectivism, and had to be *totally destroyed.* Soviet Communism was always intended to be a *GLOBAL revolution,* & all failures were blamed on this lack of complete revolution. Any war that hurt America, or hurt any established liberal democracy, or any class perceived as thwarting global revolution, was targeted for destruction.

[constructivereconcil]

2/? In the mid to late 19th c, the elites & intellectuals began to ponder the fruits of the reformation, allowing & even encouraging dissent seemed to bring great rewards to those societies. Human history in the 19th c was starting to show diverse theories to explain. Once Darwin published the book, this really threw the last bit of tension on the whole mess of understanding human history. See "Nietzsche & the Nazis" to get a great primer on philosophy driving cultural tensions.

[JeffKlives]

@constructivereconcil

Thanks for the reply. Did the Soviets get cold feet for seme reason. Why did they prevent Egypt from attacking first? Did they fear the US would get involved if Egypt attacked first?

[constructivereconcil]

@JeffKlives "Did the Soviets get cold feet for seme reason"

I don't know, but check out "6 Days in June," you get a lot more in-depth details.

I think possibly that they envisioned the US as being totally cowed by Vietnam, rather the public reactions to Vietnam, & the political leaders were thought to be totally hamstrung by that. As the reality began to play out, they probably sensed that the US was not all that worried about acting, when the righteous cause was as clear as it was.

[BrotherWoody1]

Superb docu history from PBS on the creation & early years of Israel & the conflict that still rages today. Perspectives from all sides are fairly presented by the principal participants still active in 1998 when the series premiered. Over 7 hrs in 3 segments: Not to be missed for historical insight into the on-going war. The question still remains, with such history, can the opposite sides ever reach a resolution to the end of war & the establishment of true peace & justice for all?

[constructivereconcil]

@BrotherWoody1 "can the opposite sides ever reach a resolution to the end of war &...peace & justice for all?"

Not while Presidents call the Koran "holy" & play dumb to the refusal of the PA to concede Palestine as a state has failed.

You can't always blame the Jews for everything. The PA failed to build a state, & want all of their failure to be blamed on others. They never concede to any of their flaws. This documentary never mentions Islam, yet Muslims called it biased against them.

[BrotherWoody1]

@constructivereconcil

Absolutely. No body can be blamed all the time nor should they be. The situation here in the U. S. has become critical from the standpoint of getting the truth about geo-politics from the MSM. It's simply not forthcoming. Alternative sources that youtube provides are absolutely priceless for patriots who love liberty & abhor the costly continuance of the Empire's military will. I recommend the "Real News" & RT for more of the scoop as to what's going on here to help.

[constructivereconcil]

@BrotherWoody1 "getting the truth about geo-politics from the MSM. It's simply not forthcoming"

Yes, but MSM is consumer-driven. We need people to care about educating their loved ones and of course their own selves. What we need is a movement like Linux that people can use for self-paced education, learning how to process evidence. We can blame the mainstream media, but they are serving a market created by consumer choices. We need to transcend its limits.

[constructivereconcil]

@BrotherWoody1 "Alternative sources that youtube provides are absolutely priceless for patriots who love liberty & abhor the costly continuance of the Empire's military will."

I don't trust any 1 source. The more important the topic, the more cross-referencing required. There is no way I would recommend any single source. I'm using PBS and BBC4 because they are funded and produced by liberals, the ones who are having a hard time accepting these truths - that can be seen when they look for it.

[constructivereconcil]

@BrotherWoody1 "patriots who love liberty & abhor the costly continuance of the Empire's military will"

This statement bothers me, because you are advocating "truth" but using doublespeak of your own subculture. Which Empire? There are no monolithic empires, and the closest thing to an evil empire is what is driving global terrorism that some say doesn't actually exist.

*We* are the problem, not because of imperial ambitions, but the truly confused body-politic.

[BrotherWoody1]

I mean specifically the Anglo/European/American Empire whose support is waning here for a number of reasons but primarily because of the continuing disintegration of our civil rights under the rubrics of the The Patriot Act, the debt that we now face from both our consumerism & our military interventionism & the profound mistrust of our government in most dimensions of competency. Patriots here are seeing that our very ideals of liberal democracy are now at stake. Israel shouldn't trust us now.

[constructivereconcil]

@BrotherWoody1 "Anglo/European/American Empire"

That's not an empire within the context of any discussion I am aware of. What do you mean here by "empire" then? I set of strategic partners who try to help the developing world yet still make many mistakes, including unfortunate capitalism-driven decisions? That kind of empire? Oh THAT empire. OK, fine.

[BrotherWoody1]

I don't know where you're writing from but in the U. S. everyone with a political opinion knows that they live in an Empire & many fear a disintegrating one at that. You may not like it but the subject has been discovered & it won't go away. Before you fight with U. S. citizens about any political idea you do need to better understand what's taking place here & now. I'm a Libertarian who believes that the ends can never justify the means & that our constitution & rule of law is in grave danger.

[constructivereconcil]

@BrotherWoody1 "I don't know where you're writing from but in the U. S. everyone with a political opinion knows that they live in an Empire"

You're silly to think there is a single meaning behind that reference. There is the classic meaning, of Empires like the Islamic, British, Japanese etc. Then there is the rhetorical empire as dubbed by Soviet propaganda, and finally the all-encompassing "empire" as in any regional or globally coherent organization.

Your ideas are not universal, trust me.

[constructivereconcil]

@BrotherWoody1 "for a number of reasons but primarily because of the continuing disintegration of our civil rights under the rubrics of the The Patriot Act"

I may share your concerns, yet not the level of urgency you indicate. I personally have never known any person to have their rights fundamentally changed or even limited, but it is disturbing to know that others (non-citizens) have. I think the balance is being restored already in that vein.

[BrotherWoody1]

Yes, the MSM often "misses" those cases. Yes, & non citizens too. America has always done something bad to immigrant classes of the past including Japanese-American internment during WWII. We're an island-continent, xenophobic & racist. Is it getting better? Not for all the civil libertarians who've seen the demise of civil rights since 2001. Watch the Alyona show for the most egregious violation of our rights that the MSM chooses to ignore. As I said, it isn't about the Middle East right now.

[constructivereconcil]

@BrotherWoody1 "America has always done something bad to immigrant classes of the past including Japanese-American internment during WWII"

OK, think for a minute. Haven't they all faced an entrenched group whose members were all once immigrants themselves? So each new wave eventually integrates to continue the cycle, yes or no?

If yes, then you are complaining basically about initiation struggles. Sadness can't be totally eliminated from all lives, though we try.

[constructivereconcil]

@BrotherWoody1 "We're an island-continent, xenophobic & racist. Is it getting better?"

Are you joking? Of course! Among the few good things about Hitler's causes, it forced us to look at how well our nation kept its promises, & mass media put the bad guys under lenses that ensured we'd know if they didn't. When I was young, I never understood how it took so long for the Civil Rights laws and changes, as I study history, I see that it may never have happened without world war, which is sad.

[constructivereconcil]

@Woody "Not for all the civil libertarians who've seen the demise of civil rights since 2001."

It's 1 thing to exaggerate to make a point, but you can't really imagine that we are now less free than we were at any other time? And actually, many of those fears may have happened for the worse because of the Internet, & this brought a light on the issues all at once, driving us to fight over them coherently. When you study these issues, not just the fears, what really happened, we're doing well.

[BrotherWoody1]

I'm thinking that your every issue with the parsing of my every comment is nothing more than your assertion of your legitimate but very limited point of view. My point of view on this is different from your own. I believe that we're LESS free now & have less LIBERTY now than at any other time in our history. Please get off your one issue soap box "ISLAMISM" & engage yourself with bringing good docu. Your combativeness with me is counterproductive to your jingoistic & fearful ethnocentrism.

[constructivereconcil]

@BrotherWoody1

"Watch the Alyona show for the most egregious violation of our rights that the MSM chooses to ignore. As I said, it isn't about the Middle East right now."

You can spend eternity finding things to be worried about totally disconnected from the Middle East, but if you do, I promise you will be missing the most important narratives. This is the most important conflict in human history. Even if we assume there is no God, this is the first post-industrial clash of civilizations.

[BrotherWoody1]

Being vigilant about our liberty & our foundational principles is what I'm worried about. I'm as familiar with Huntington as you are, so PLEASE don't throw the "clash of civilizations" up to me as if I'm some kind of ignoramus. As I indicated, there's no guarantee for the survival of Israel unless we can obtain the survival of ourselves & our ideals. You don't possess the whole truth & neither do I. So, get off your high horse & get a little humility. I am not your enemy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[constructivereconcil]

@Woody "PLEASE don't throw the "clash of civilizations"

Dude, you are the worst mind reader I've ever met. Stop trying to imagine you know what I am talking about. Ask questions when it is not clear. Deal?

To then act like you've been clear about what you think I was talking about..say what? I would like to have everyone get along, but you are making it difficult.

"So, get off your high horse & get a little humility. I am not your enemy!"

I know it's not intentional, you just don't get it.



[constructivereconcil]

@BrotherWoody1 "PLEASE don't throw the "clash of civilizations" up to me as if I'm some kind of ignoramus"

Accept that you are ignorant because I wasn't talking about that. Dumbass, what movie did I ask you to watch? I may need to delete you.

What year was Huntington born? The clash of civilizations began with Mohamed, and the industrial age got serious when weapons of mass destruction were used.

You are not my enemy, but you are clueless. Plenty of opinion, not much on facts or sense.

[constructivereconcil]

@BrotherWoody1 "As I indicated"

As if you're the sensei here? I don't think I've learned anything from you. Whether you want to learn from me, we shall see. Otherwise it ends here.

[constructivereconcil]

@BrotherWoody1 "You don't possess the whole truth & neither do I. "

You have no clue what I know, and you haven't taught me a thing, so you want some kind of "respect" based on what? You come in here like anyone needs your approval? Did you spend hundreds of hours researching these topics? I sincerely doubt it. If so, I wouldn't brag because most of your opinions seem informed purely by casual conversations and a Newsweek article here and there.

[constructivereconcil]

@Woody "the debt that we now face from both our consumerism & our military interventionism"

Disturbing, but not overwhelming. One reason I started this project is to help people see that today we live in a world that changed fundamentally by the Industrial Revolution, specifically in massive harvesting of fossil fuels, mass transportation, mass communication, & weapons of mass destruction, but often the wrong parties are blamed & wrong causes are claimed.

Hitler changed the world forever.

[BrotherWoody1]

Disturbing for whom? Overwhelming for whom? If you've the bucks, no, it's not overwhelming even if it's still disturbing. Look at the middle class, the working class---many of them are as overwhelmed as is imaginable.

Other than that, I agree with everything you've said. All the great actors of history have changed the world & Hitler would be my example too for the figure from our immediate past who has most changed our present for the worse. But Hitler hasn't changed us forever, not yet.

[constructivereconcil]

@BrotherWoody1 "Disturbing for whom?"

Obviously you and many others.

Overwhelming for whom? I said NOT overwhelming.

"If you've the bucks, no, it's not overwhelming even if it's still disturbing"

I feel like I know you, because I know so many people who bootstrap entire conversations based on things not yet said. You are assuming too much from what I say. If you can't imagine solutions yourself, this does not mean they don't exist. Don't base your resistance on lack of imagination.

[constructivereconcil]

@BrotherWoody1 "But Hitler hasn't changed us forever, not yet."

Again, you don't know what I refer to. Hitler changed the world by proving some dumb maniac is always going to try to use the maximum destruction that industrialized nations can muster to try to rule the world.

Hitler forced the United State in to the global position we have, & can never retract from. To think otherwise is the height of delusion.

Other changes may not be permanent, but that will never change back. Impossible.

[constructivereconcil]

@BrotherWoody1 "All the great actors of history have changed the world & Hitler would be my example too for the figure from our immediate past who has most changed our present for the worse."

You miss my meaning, but those things you refer to are also true. If you look at the positive side of any tragedy, the learning I guess has to be counted as ensuring the next guy won't get as far, we hope. But the lessons of Hitler are too huge to try.

- > Please watch my upload, "Nietzsche & the Nazis!"

[BrotherWoody1]

I've watched both parts & its an excellent, educational & entertaining presentation in every way. You are to be commended for your continuing service to youtube subscribers by uploading such important & penetrating docu.

[constructivereconcil]

@BrotherWoody1 Then you ought to understand the driving forces behind the war on terror? What are they? Why are the Jews hated? Why the Nazi propaganda is denounced when used by whites, but accepted when used by Arabs and or Muslims?

What are your insights, my sensei?

Here to educate me, aren't you?

Don't be argumentative until you know the argument.

Seriously, if you can't answer these questions, try some respect for those who can.

[constructivereconcil]

@BrotherWoody1 "the profound mistrust of our government in most dimensions of competency"

"By the people, for the people"

I have a lot more empathy from people who complain about our government when they are actively looking to solve the problems they pretend to have. Otherwise it sounds like counterculture rhetoric.

[BrotherWoody1]

Well, it is counter-cultural & is the feeling of activists, folks in the public arena working to change the culture that got us into this mess. It's activists who defend the fundamental values of Western Civilization & put themselves on the line sometimes even to death to defend the values of this civilization. One can't do this merely from behind a computer screen but for many it's a start. Yes, govt. should still be by the people. For this & much else, please consider Ron Paul in 2012.

[constructivereconcil]

@BrotherWoody1 "Well, it is counter-cultural & is the feeling of activists, folks in the public arena working to change the culture that got us into this mess"

That is correct.

"It's activists who defend the fundamental values of Western Civilization & put themselves on the line sometimes even to death to defend the values of this civilization"

Who? There are all kinds of activists, some are heroes, others are dupes. Most are sweet and well-intention-ed, but some are hurting, not helping.

[constructivereconcil]

@BrotherWoody1 "For this & much else, please consider Ron Paul in 2012"

I did, and we could do worse, I'm hoping we can do much better. I would love to see Colin Powell. That would be a dream too great to dare hope. Better if he'd won in 2004, or 2000, or 1996, or...you get the idea. The problem is, 2016 WILL be too late. Obama is too close to Rashid Khalidi, a family with direct ties to terror groups, yet he appears to be keeping promises made. There's a bootleg video of Obama making promises.

[constructivereconcil]

@Woody "Patriots here are seeing that our very ideals of liberal democracy are now at stake. Israel shouldn't trust us now"

I'll stipulate that I am talking about the same kind of patriots, & I agree that Israel can not count on the USA more than it has to, but we in the United States need to step up to our obligations. Our debt to Israel is more than any other. That can't ever change. Israel represents both our source of morality, & our ability to influence the world for human progress.

[BrotherWoody1]

Step up to our obligations? There's some grave doubt now whether we can step up to even our financial obligations, let alone our moral ones. I don't disagree with you. However, the American Indians, the Mexicans, the African-Americans, the labor class, the working poor & the growing disgruntled middle class might. I don't believe that the American people will forsake their tiniest underdog ally Israel but the elite who run the show might. Israel shouldn't trust that they won't.

[constructivereconcil]

@BrotherWoody1 "obligations? There's some grave doubt now whether we can step up to even our financial obligations, let alone our moral ones"

Some times doing right is cheaper, & the mother of all peace dividends is the mother I look for in the Middle East. Totally practical and achievable simply by getting voters better educated. Period.

Too easy to manipulate the body politic. The Internet is wonderful, but we allow its use against our own civilization!

Don't assume I mean cash, I don't.

[constructivereconcil]

@BrotherWoody1 "I don't disagree with you"

OK...

"However, the American Indians, the Mexicans, the African-Americans, the labor class, the working poor & the growing disgruntled middle class might"

Wow, I can't wait to hear what you came up with.

"I don't believe that the American people will forsake their tiniest underdog ally Israel"

You haven't gotten a complete picture of the problem. It's not about grocery lists. It's about jihad, liars and dupes. We can't afford NOT to fix the mess.

[constructivereconcil]

@BrotherWoody1 "but the elite who run the show might"

You're damn right they will. The whole reason behind AIPAC is to counter the dupes who ramped up their attacks in the 1970s because Israel was so loyal to the US when others painted us villains via Cold War propaganda. Now EVERY nation in the Americas with an indigenous population really thinks that Israel is an empire building "settlements." As so many US dupes.

In fact, Israel is the freedom fighting nation, fighting off Imperial Islam.

[constructivereconcil]

@BrotherWoody1 "Patriots here are seeing that our very ideals of liberal democracy are now at stake. Israel shouldn't trust us now"

But I also have to be honest with you and state that some of your (earlier) words indicate you are contributing to the problems. Maybe this video changed your mind and now you understand my message? Here's hoping.

[BrotherWoody1]

If your message is to disseminate material that educates & opens up folks to see more sides of the many faceted jewel called the truth (Mill), then I continue to support your fine efforts. May they continue!

[constructivereconcil]

@BrotherWoody1 "If your message is to disseminate material that educates & opens up folks to see more sides of the many faceted jewel called the truth (Mill), then I continue to support your fine efforts. May they continue!"

I'm happy you got to kick a few more tires. Enjoy.

I'll get some more up soon. I should start a list, like Niall Ferguson series on British Empire, and the past century of War, are both crucial to the contemporary discourse on terror and empire etc.

[RealmEternal]

What an epic documentation. Thanks for the upload.

[constructivereconcil]

@RealmEternal I've got tons of notes for any students who'd like them. The collateral material was removed from the PBS sites, ever since 9/11 when CAIR has objected to documentaries that (through my own analysis) contain references to archaeology that proves Islam is false. A few scripts like "House of Saud" was still up last I checked, but I saved copies just in case. I have scripts for almost all of the videos on this channel.

Thanks for watching, please tell friends & tell me any request.

[blastingcaps]

The biggest mess on earth.

[constructivereconcil]

@blastingcaps "The biggest mess on earth"

Some times when I go to the grocery store and I see something out of place, if I am near it anyway, I just put it right. If I see something on the floor, I pick it up.

Maybe if we all started acted less like capitalists in every mode of life, we could perform better in our government "by the people, for the people." It rarely kills you to volunteer. It might even make you stronger and happier.

I like your username:>)