This is all very interesting! Yes, there is a “thought crime” quality attached to the discourse connected to hate crimes. But, I am concerned with how the courts might discriminate between the motivation behind a crime and the attitudes that lead to it. These are very subjective and slippery concepts, no?
I have personally been the vicitm of "hate crimes" on two separate occasions, but I strongly oppose legislation against them. It should be obvious to anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of the Constitution's first amendment that such laws are flagrantly unconstitutional. As Americans, we have an inalienable right to whatever we think or feel, about anyone or anything. Without freedom of sentiment and freedom of conscience, the first amendment is meaningless.
I concur with the SA on this topic except for his comments regarding being "born gay." Other than that, everything about this video is correct in its logic.
What about the difference between 1rst, 2nd and 3rd degree murder? We call it 1rst degree murder if you planned it and 2nd degree murder if it was a crime of passion. We give longer sentences for those who THOUGHT about it before hand. Would you argue that murder is murder and it doesn't matter if it was because you were drunk driving(3rd degree murder) or because you planned it well in advance? If you think the above is fair that would give good precedence for the idea of hate crimes.
I agree completely. Murder is always an act of hate on whomever is killed. I'm not ignorant enough to believe that race, sexual orientation, or religious idenitity don't factor in to the decision of someone to kill people because there are sick people who kill for that very reason. But hate crime laws state that one murder is greater than another and thus one life has more worth than another life.
wow jack your a disgusting liberal racist. You won't defend our troops who are over there killing terrorists instead you come out with this 5 min and 14 sec pro-racism ku klux klan speech.
In response to SA's comment: "...blasphemous assumption that I can know the mind of God..."
If one's a Xtian the Bible comes from the mind of God. It outlines clearly in Leviticus/Deut/Judges/Genesis/Romans/Revelations that homosexuality is against God's law ie. it is sin.
The fact that you are "impressed", that a conservative-minded individual can show political and social insight, is strongly suggestive of the influence that popular media has had upon you (read: elitist, cultural-Marxist liberals). You might benefit by reflecting upon the noted differences between liberal (lowercase "L" cultural maxist, collectivistic) and classic Liberal thought, as in the likes of J.S. Mills. There is some commonality between the latter, however, the differences are stark.
Last time I checked, our nation's founding documents were the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights, not the Bible.
Hate is not criminalized in this bill. Freedom of speech is not criminalized. The bill states as much. There is no such thing as a "thought crime." There is such a thing as intent. That is why there are first, second and third degrees of assault and murder. That same principle, used for years in the courts, is simply being applied in this bill.
Jack: you call the logic of hate crimes advocates "repulsive" when you don't even know it is. Hate crimes are intended to terrorize an entire community, not just an individual. And specifically because these crimes address minorities, local police agencies are often lax or unwilling to address them properly. Hate crime? Judges have used the idea of "intent" in punishing violent crime for years.
How can someone decide what the motive is behind a crime? Aren't all crimes technically a form of hate? Shouldn't we be punishing someone for what they did, not what they think?
Won't this open doors for the attorneys to make more money by deciding words can be crimes?
Hmmm, so if I ever think I'm about to get beat up, I should loudly proclaim being gay, so if they then proceed to beat me up, they get a harsher sentence. Awesome.
She actually requested they not be put to death. Which may have influenced their sentence. I don't know how I feel about that. Part of me wants to say she's a bigger person than I would be able to be. Another part of me thinks she's a limp wristed fool whose actions may have prevented full justice from being carried out.
I stongly feel that homosexuality is against God - see the book of Leviticus and you will see God's disapproval for homosexual behavior. I'm not convinced that the gay-lifestyle is caused by genetics. I do feel that gays have the right to live their lives as they so choose. Hate crimes undermine the cornerstone of our legal system - Equal Protection Under the Law! Matthew Shepard's killers deserve the death penalty, but not because he was gay, but because he was a human being!
Mose's law was written by God Himself. Also, Mosaic law was never completely abolished or contradicted. Jesus fulfilled all previous laws and covenants between God and man. Portions of Mosaic law were lifted by God, but many sections still remain in full effect.
I don't agree with homosexuality, but I never can justify causing any bodily harm to any gay individual for ANY reason. This crime speaks VOLUMES about the psychological makeup of the murderers who did this to him. How can ANYBODY torture and kill someone just because someone else is gay?
I've always believed, and continue to believe, that homosexual acts are a sin. The same goes for any number of other acts that are perfectly legal and that many of my friends participate in.
I do not seek to make those things with which I disagree illegal. Laws cannot really change hearts, and in fact, it is an injustice to all consenting adults who choose to participate in certain acts. Neither do I want people who disagree with my views to regulate and legislate my thoughts.
It's worth debating whether hate-crimes law is a good idea, but the legislation Obama signed merely adds sexual orientation to language that has been on the books for 40 years addressing crimes motivated by the victim's ethnicity or religious preference. So if the legislation is wrong, at least now it is more equitable. It was kind of sick that religious people enjoyed certain protections that gay people did not.
There are violent people in this world and there are non-violent people in this world. It's as simple as that. And I want the violent people dealt with.
It's important not to get caught up in asininity of jackass politicians. Doing so may cause asinity in yourself. As for homosexuality, as a religious person, I say that the issue is not only irrelavent generally, and specified for my religion, it is spurious and capricious; in fact focusing on homosexuals or homosexuality, as a sin or not, although I do not believe people are born with it, nor did I think you did, as unaware of God's view, simply makes the soap-opera dramatists salivate. Nope.
When did homosexuality become normal????? I can't believe your making apologies for thinking homosexuality is against God. Even if your an atheist you have to admit its a sin against nature to stick your penis up another guys sh*t tube. Who cares what these homosexuals think about the TRUTH. Homosexuality is a sexual perversion plain and simple, and it should never be accepted as an alternative to a NORMAL relationship.
I'm an atheist and I would not be willing to admit that it's "a sin against nature" for a man to have anal sex with another man. What consenting adults do in private is their business.
I care what people think is the truth and that includes homosexuals.
PS The bible also says eating shellfish is "against God."
I believe homosexuality is against God, and i will do my best to not allow popular cultural or legislation control my thoughts, feelings and speech about what i believe to be truth.
Most crimes are committed out of that hate to begin with, love7277. Why do we need to tack identity politics onto something which should trouble all of us across the board (senseless ruthless violence?)
Dude.... this is one video where I have to disagree with you. I'm a big fan, but homosexuality is against GOD. It says so in the Bible. This country is turning its back on the Constitution. A fag should have the right to be gay and do whatever he wants, and I have the right to say "hey, look at that faggety ass faggot"! Freedom is what the Constitution guarantees. Freedom of speech...duhhhh! Nobody's saying they can't be homos so they can all stop whining! Oh yeah! I hate fat dyke bitches!
What about masculine tall dyke bitches with a military background (no one asked and they certainly didn't tell) that can break your neck like a toothpick? =)
But I digress. As one of the few 'homos' that I think frequents SA's videos I really don't care what you think. I can disagree with it. I could start a debate about what the bible says or doesn't say (I'd rather not, the argument is redundant at this point and I am deist so its moot to me) but really what you believe is your business.
In my law enforcement career there have been many bad guys who tried to snap my 22 inch neck... But I'd be willing to let a dyke try.... I haven't been tickled in a while... it could be fun!!!!!
Stop teasing me like that..... but I must tell ya, I live with no regrets. Since you are conservative and like metal, why don't ya check out my homemade music video I made titled "American" !!!!!! It's a bit harsh but to the point. Give it a look see and let me know what ya think.
Your point of comparing gay and minority targeted violence with crimes against whites or chivalrous men is spot on, and requires me to think about this a bit.
Assault is assault. Murder is murder. Institutionalizing motive does nothing to help further these 'protected' groups.
isn't any violent act done because of hate? yes. but its only called hate if the victem is of a seperate racial or religious group or sexual oreintation.
calling a crime a "hate" crime only further seperates us all into groups, its ass backwards.
"remember, were ALL THE SAME but if you hurt someone who was DIFFERENT than you its a HATE crime..." yes, same and different were both used in the same sentence to describe everyone, who is the same but entirely different. see the problem?
I get what SA is saying, but I have to disagree with him.
When someone is brutally attacked for the simple reason of who they are (white, black, Hispanic, Asian, Middle Eastern, homosexual, or other), it's a crime MOTIVATED by hate. Ergo a HATE Crime. What I disagree with is special provisions. ANYONE can be a victim.
I'm black and I was called an Uncle Tom many times for saying Jena 6 should have been charged with a hate crime. They attacked an innocent kid because he was white.
I don't think he's saying there isn't 'hate crime' but that the crime itself needs to be judged, not the motivations.
Once you start criminalizing motivations then thought becomes a crime. One hell of a slippery slope follows from there. Certainly you can kiss your 1st amendment rights (what's left of them) goodbye.
One word-civil action. If a rabid-bigot kills someone based on a sermon that he hears, then that preacher can kiss his bank account goodbye, and that`s abouut time too.
im not frcing my view on anyone if u wanna b gay then b gay doesnt mean i support it and Jesus di condem homosexuality when he spoke of the Law of Moses
And the law says that if a man lays with another man as he does with a woman he should be put to death. How come "christians" only pay attention to the condemning part but not the killing part? hmm, seems to me if u are following "gods" word then u have to follow it all the way through and maybe it's because the religion itself would lose credibility if they acted upon that second part...something to think about amigo
then you havent read the whole Bible Christ changed the Law when he died before Christ there was no salvation and no way to gain entry to heaven but after Christ died the path to salvation became open so all the condemnation could be put aside and people could go before God
That was Moses' Law. Not God's. Get it right my friend.
Didn't you miss the words of Jesus, who Christians are supposed to emulate, who said "Do violence against no man" in Luke 23? I believe that includes gays.
Moses' Law was god's law, Moses did not come up with these "righteous" laws by himself,, he wrote them for his god...and I know Jesus condemned violence, which is a contradiction of the bible (old and new testament)
im for gay rights and im no believer in the big book of fairy tales in case i was misunderstood...
"Moses did not come up with these righteious laws by himself"
How do we know? The problem with that assesment is that the Ten Commandments are mutually exclusive, while Moses' Laws are regarded as Moses' Laws.
Reading the bible, you clearly see it says "The Ten Commandments of God", then goes on to list them, then it says "The Mosaic Laws", and it goes on to list those.
If Moses' Law = God's Law, why are they exclusive? And it never said Moses was inspired by God to write those laws.
Thank u...by proving "god's law" and mosaic laws as different, you've just helped prove another biblical contradiction! you'll hear no argument from me here...
Oh dear, resorting to sarcastic hyperbole already? Did you or did you not suggest that being homophobic is inherently Christian and not being is inherently not Christian? Or Abrahamic. Not that I particularly believe anything in the bible but... if homosexuality is wrong according to Leviticus what about the parts in it about not eating pork and shellfish?
On an unrelated note I have no idea what Johnnyreb has against punctuation though I am curious what you have against capitalization.
So then non-christains can not be homophobic? You contradict this immediately following this statement. Therefore, as non-christians CAN be homophobic homophobia is not inherently Christian.
"a christian must blah blah blah"
Just like an Atheist must be a douche? =P That isn't true. I've met polite, intelligent atheists who are intellectually stimulating. You are not one of them. =)
"a bloo bloo bloo you mock me for my bad grammar like i did that other guy."
"that's not an answer." Oh dear hypocrisy to go with our hyperbole now?
I'd rather not give you my number, but how about you give me your mailing address. I will promptly send you a box of razor blades, a black tinted lightbulb, and some Papa Roach albums. Then you can emo it up.
Actually 5 black guys who watched Mississippi burning went on a spree attacking whites. They actually got convicted of a Hate Crime. But i had to go to Federal Court. I fully supported this. Instead of removing hate Crimes i say we push to make sure if you can prove that someone is attacking whites for the sole purpose of hating whites that the hate crime gets slapped on them.
If some one hurt me because I am gay, a woman, a native, a libertarian, or just to ruffle through my pockets and take a few bucks it wouldn't really matter to me. I would be upset that they hurt me and would want the full book thrown at them. That and what frionel said. Can you be absolutely sure something is motivated by prejudice? Even before it was found the Duke Lacross players didn't actually RAPE the black stripper I was like "Wouldn't raping her suggest that they liked black women?"
Jack, you surprise me more and more every time I view a new video of you. You make me proud to be a conscious and cognizant human being in this beautiful and amazing country we call America situated on this pretty little blue-green sphere we call Earth. Good commentary!
It's only just when it's against The Other, not when it's against someone in one's own circle. Are not all people, gay, straight or otherwise, not children of your god? Are you so impossibly thick as to not remember that the "word of god" contradicts itself several hundred times over the course of both Testaments? Do you also not remember "turn the other cheek" and "do unto others as you would have done unto you"? Stop cherry-picking your morals.
To some degree, the fag or dyke is a child of God, and to some degree, the fag or dyke is not a child of God. God does not love all of its children equally.
I don't use the Bible as my source of authority. Furthermore, you also presume that I am Christian when I could easily be Jewish or Muslim. There is much beauty and truth in the Bible - especially the TaNaK - but my philosophy is The Philosophy of Life by Patrick Keefe.
So you're discarding the teachings within the bible relating to "all created in the image of god" and "god loves all of his children" in favor of your own personalized flavor of faith? Seems to me that in that same vein, doesn't matter if you're a fag, a dyke, a jew, a heathen or pagan... we're all still children of god in some form or another.
Also, I'm not familiar with Patrick Keefe, and the title isn't showing up in Google with any kind of discernible synopsis.
How presumptuous of you to claim that you can know the mind of God! If two people DO claim that God has spoken to them, but their "knowledge" contradicts each other....somebody's lying!
So....if the hatred is just, then any violence committed by the hater unto the hated in that context is not a crime? Wow, that says a lot about you right there.
You contradict yourself, but because you are not logical, you do not see that. Your contradiction is that you must presume to know the mind of God to presume that God is unable or unwilling to give mankind knowledge of God.
As for your second comment, you put words in my mouth because, again, you are not a logical person. I do not say that all acts of violence motivated by hatred are good, but that it is possible for the hatred itself is good. Everyone should hate evil.
Define "evil". Anyone that's not within the "circle". Things like this always degenerate into an Us vs. Them scenario no matter WHAT side of the so-called "debate" you're on. If you're pro-gay, you're labeled as "in favor of silencing the christian minority", if you're anti-gay, you're labeled as "in favor of killing the gays, jews, feminists, pagans, etc ad infinitum".
And for intelligence's sake, where am I contradicting myself in the last two comments?
You contradict yourself, but because you are not logical, you do not see that.
Your contradiction is that you must not presume to know the mind of God to presume that God is able or willing to give mankind knowledge of God.
As for YOUR second comment, I did not put words in your mouth because, again, you are not a logical person and logical people can see through what you're attempting.
Hatred itself is always good. How that hatred is directed is the basis for judgement by God only
I suppose we've all had moments in our lives we've said things that later on we regretted. It happens more often when facing an attack, verbally or physically. Responses are usually born out of hate or fear. But to have the gov exercise its police power tying speech and violence together is dangerous. It has taken political correctness to the next level. The next step is to punish speech in the name of preventing violence, rather than addressing the violence after the fact.
Jack, I disagree with your thinking here, "a crime is a crime. A person's thought should not matter".
But a person 's thought and intent do matter. If I were to carelessly kill someone vs purposely kill someone, should I get the same punishment for either act. Today, we would consider the former manslaughter and the latter 1st degree murder. Not to forget we also have 2nd degree murder(spur of the moment).
The legal system today takes into consideration the person's motive and intent. I don't see how adding an extra layer of hate crime is philosphically that different to what's already taken into consideration.
Not only that, but hate crimes murders are worse than normal murders because of the added social tensions they come with. Society as whole loses more due to hate crime murders than normal ones. WW1 was started because of one murder across national/ethnic lines.
This is foolish. There are some thoughts and intents that are relevant, and there are some thoughts and intents that are irrelevant. For example, my thought and intent over what weapon I would use to murder a man is irrelevant; all that would matter in that case is that I intend to murder the man.
But they don't matter as it relates to "hate crimes". Hate crime laws are completely rooted in bigotry, thus a contradiction in itself. It gives supremacy to those it tries to defend. No innocent life is more valuable than another and the notion of "hate crimes", ironically, hates that kind of equality.
Thanks for this. I live in Canada. My little bro is gay and my dad was in the closet for years;it almost killed him. But people are allowed to think whatever the hell they want. And I want to KNOW who hates me and my family. The laws will drive this kind of stuff underground and play into the victim complex of the perps.
I agree that thinking should not be a crime anyway. I think Rachel Maddow did it better when she compared it to Tom Cruise Minority Report where they predicted the future crimes.
Boy howdy that was weak, Jack. Your own example damns your argument. You say that the two cases are equivalent but your friend's ACTIONS got him the a**whipping, but the gay guy's EXISTENCE got him his. In principle I think all hate crime should be treated separately, but in practice it's just too difficult to apply even-handedly. But to claim the application of hate crime to the Shepard attackers is a violation of their free speech is too much.
The constitution gaurentees equal protection under the law....any hate crimes legislation is unconstitutional because it offers extra protection not afforded to everyone equally.Of course this does not mean they wont pass a law they know is unconstitutional.Look up cultural marxism and the frankfurt school....it explains why this is being done
How would this not be equal to everyone? Does this legislation specifically state that a Hate crime comes into affect only when a majority person abuses a minority person. Hate is Hate. If a black person attacks a white person because he is white , I'm pretty sure the hate crime law would come into play.
This is right on. Murder is murder. Assault is assault. A crime against another person is a crime. The idea that the law will look at whether or not the person is black or white or gay or straight or christian or jew should NOT come into play.
Opinions and ideas in the form of words should not be a crime unless they are slanderous.
I don't believe that people are born gay. There you go. Spew your hatred at me for writing that. It's not a crime for you to do so and neither is it for me to say it.
I could be wrong, but I dont think this is what the legislation is about. A white person attacking a black person wouldn't be hate crime unless there was some evidence for it. Also, I would imagine the burden of proof would lay on the defense.
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SHAME on SA for Being the Traitor to Christianity, Degenerate Gender Confusion is Sinful CHOICE, its Not Genetic or Natural, and calling it a Lifestyle is Mocking Christianity. Having shamefully participated in this sinful behavior during the Late 1970's I understand this issue better than most. Any holy Believer who follow GODs will knows the mind of Divine Reality.
Traitor to Christianity? Mocking Christianity? Christianity mocks itself. It is nothing but a belief system made by men to control other men. It is only believed by those who want to be told what truth is. They forsake their God given abilities to discover it for themselves, and actually feel self-righteous enough about it to belittle others who dare to question their evidence-less belief.
You don't know what truth is. You are allowing yourself to be deluded. If ever there was a "sin"...
Shoeless Heretic, Christianity is ordained by GOD, not invented by men. As one considers all the wrong legislation done by government, criminalizing thought becomes another affront against the free speech of religious liberty and cultural heritage.
It's phony extremist Christians like you who disgrace what would otherwise be a mild and OK religion in America. You're basing this belief on your own tastes, not what "god" actually believes. I can assure, the Bible does NOT outwardly condemn homosexuality. Sodom and Gomorrah is a poor example, having to do more with other personal characteristics of the people. And the apostle Paul was a hateful intolerant Republican jackass. Besides, Jesus never said a word about gays, so wtf
Not necessarily. The Leviticus verse only refers to gay sex. Any gay couple that DOESN'T have anal sex, according to this verse, is not really sinning (considering there are gay couples out there like that). Plus, most or all of the verses dealing with homosexuality in the Bible specifically refer to gay men and make no mention of lesbians.
Just as expected, some of your more conservative viewers seem to think you're some kind of Judas on homosexuality and are propagating the time-honored myth that being gay is a choice. Yeah, sure. Did you also CHOOSE to be straight?
Of course, I find few straights that are saying today that they'd like to get rid of the over 1,000 legal benefits and rights obtained by marriage. So they're not likely to give up that monopoly anytime soon.
As we know from Economics class, monopolists are always very unwilling to give up their control. They'll fight it to the death.
How is that a monopoly? By allowing gays the same benefits this in no way causes the straight person to lose their benefits, so I do not understand your point. P.S. I think it should all be equal, either get rid of all benefits or give gays all the benefits that hetero's get. I would prefer if government just got out of it alltogether though.
The Bible says a lot of things, ThaNorthFace. It also says you should stone homosexuals as well as disobedient children to death. Now why aren't YOU doing that? Like to cherry pick, do we?
At least you admitted you were wrong about gays back in the day, Jack. Lesser men/conservatives could not admit the same thing. They'd stand by such disgusting words and bash gays or at least homosexuality all day long. As a libertarian, I don't give 2 shits what people do in private as long as no one's harmed or has his rights violated. It's none of my business whether anyone is gay or straight, and them getting married is also no one's business. No one has the right to vote on minorities.
The minorities in society deserve their rights and decency just as much as the majority. I'm so sick of this marriage amendment crap. Who are they to discriminate against gay folks? As long as it's a LEGAL institution, gays have a right to it just as much as straights. It's public and therefore should be representative of ALL monogamous adults, not just heterosexuals. If you want to make it private and end the gov't sponsorship, be my guest. But until that happens...
I totally agree on hate crimes. Violent crimes are violent crimes, and punishment shouldn't take into account "what they thought" about certain minorities they attacked or didn't attack. They should still get the highest punishment possible just for doing such heinous things.
I mean, ,what's the point of hate crimes legislation anyway? Is it to "drive down racism" in America by "teaching racists a lesson" and supposedly deterring them with harsher sentences? You're kidding me, right?
VonHelton, The Bible also says you should stone homosexuals to death. Now if you are taking the Bible as THE word of God, why aren't you following orders? Is God not important enough for you?
eric710221, CONTEXT? Really, motherfucker? You're going to pull that shit?
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
Homosexuality is a cureable psychosis. And Sheperd got his ass whipped because he was drunk & got caught picking people pockets at the bar. Go to Wyo & ask anybody. Not hard to find people that were there. Homosexuals can be very violent.
Correct. Until 1970, homosexuality was classified as a mental disorder. But then the AMA/APA got huge sums of cash, and shortly thereafter changed homosexuality from a mental disorder to an "alternate lifestyle".
they want to keep us all divided, they're desperate to put divisions between us all, it's classic divide and conquer, get us all arguing with each other, ... the most common sense approach to this would be to treat every crime as a crime, if a white guy gets beat up the perpetrator should face the same consequences if a black guy was beat up.
Mr. Southern Avenger: I consider myself a left-liberal that opposes political correctness. You bring up some good points; however, I am actually oppose to the death penalty under all circumstances...
Your not convinced that homosexuals are born gay huh? It's a choice is it? We can actually test that one out right here and now...
Try choosing to be gay, just for a moment, imagine making out with a big muscley dude while he holds you close to his big hairy chest, his thick mustache brushing across your lips...
Was that a huge turn on for ya? Did choosing to be gay work for ya? Or was that an absolutely repulsive thought?
I personally could not choose to be gay, I just couldn't do it.
probably because thats a load of shit. everyone has a choice over their own decissions, even the ones with genetic predispositions.
dont get me wrong, if they want to get feces on their genitals its no one's busines but their own.
all im saying is they should cut down on the synthetic estrogen we all get from over usage of toxic plastics before they make a life altering decission like that.
If there's no gay gene, is there also no "straight gene"? Then you've gotta admit that heterosexuals and gays both cannot CHOOSE their orientations. It just happens over time. It's a mix of factors, in fact. To try to isolate one or the other is silly.
This is all very interesting! Yes, there is a “thought crime” quality attached to the discourse connected to hate crimes. But, I am concerned with how the courts might discriminate between the motivation behind a crime and the attitudes that lead to it. These are very subjective and slippery concepts, no?
morph628 1 month ago
I have personally been the vicitm of "hate crimes" on two separate occasions, but I strongly oppose legislation against them. It should be obvious to anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of the Constitution's first amendment that such laws are flagrantly unconstitutional. As Americans, we have an inalienable right to whatever we think or feel, about anyone or anything. Without freedom of sentiment and freedom of conscience, the first amendment is meaningless.
evergreenpotato 4 months ago
I disagree with the death penalty but, I understand your sentiment Jack.
atchisrj1 6 months ago
I concur with the SA on this topic except for his comments regarding being "born gay." Other than that, everything about this video is correct in its logic.
rtgoodson 1 year ago 4
What about the difference between 1rst, 2nd and 3rd degree murder? We call it 1rst degree murder if you planned it and 2nd degree murder if it was a crime of passion. We give longer sentences for those who THOUGHT about it before hand. Would you argue that murder is murder and it doesn't matter if it was because you were drunk driving(3rd degree murder) or because you planned it well in advance? If you think the above is fair that would give good precedence for the idea of hate crimes.
Beeffyviolin 1 year ago
Hmmm....a well written piece.
4everfrankenstein 1 year ago
I agree completely. Murder is always an act of hate on whomever is killed. I'm not ignorant enough to believe that race, sexual orientation, or religious idenitity don't factor in to the decision of someone to kill people because there are sick people who kill for that very reason. But hate crime laws state that one murder is greater than another and thus one life has more worth than another life.
Drac39 1 year ago
wow jack your a disgusting liberal racist. You won't defend our troops who are over there killing terrorists instead you come out with this 5 min and 14 sec pro-racism ku klux klan speech.
TheHomelandDefender 1 year ago
@TheHomelandDefender Hmm...we're the terrorists to the Iraqi citizens. Take a trip to the sand box and let me know how they feel.
rtgoodson 1 year ago
hate crime law enforces predjudice and division.
fivedinners 1 year ago
every crime is hate. fuck the stupid law that adds more years in prison and smashes the first ammendment.
we need to get rid of that law.
ne0nsurf 2 years ago 3
In response to SA's comment: "...blasphemous assumption that I can know the mind of God..."
If one's a Xtian the Bible comes from the mind of God. It outlines clearly in Leviticus/Deut/Judges/Genesis/Romans/Revelations that homosexuality is against God's law ie. it is sin.
So i dont find it blasphemous at all.
willyrobinson 2 years ago
Wow, very logical. I'm impressed with the way you handled this topic. Very much conservative, but also very understanding to reality of these events.
mrx0066600 2 years ago 8
The fact that you are "impressed", that a conservative-minded individual can show political and social insight, is strongly suggestive of the influence that popular media has had upon you (read: elitist, cultural-Marxist liberals). You might benefit by reflecting upon the noted differences between liberal (lowercase "L" cultural maxist, collectivistic) and classic Liberal thought, as in the likes of J.S. Mills. There is some commonality between the latter, however, the differences are stark.
whiff1962 8 months ago
Really good video. Had not seen this one.
mlawson84 2 years ago
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FinalWar1444 2 years ago
As long as you don't hurt people, who gives a shit...
sirachman 2 years ago 3
Last time I checked, our nation's founding documents were the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights, not the Bible.
freerangebiped 2 years ago
Nobody is Born homosexual Humans are created in gods perfect image and without sin
God Created Adam and Eve not adam and steve
the bible clearly states homosexuality is a sin
freedombase 2 years ago
Make all crimes hate crimes. Simple solution
wolgreth 2 years ago
Hate is not criminalized in this bill. Freedom of speech is not criminalized. The bill states as much. There is no such thing as a "thought crime." There is such a thing as intent. That is why there are first, second and third degrees of assault and murder. That same principle, used for years in the courts, is simply being applied in this bill.
freerangebiped 2 years ago
Jack: you call the logic of hate crimes advocates "repulsive" when you don't even know it is. Hate crimes are intended to terrorize an entire community, not just an individual. And specifically because these crimes address minorities, local police agencies are often lax or unwilling to address them properly. Hate crime? Judges have used the idea of "intent" in punishing violent crime for years.
freerangebiped 2 years ago
As a liberal, I find myself agreeing with the southern avenger surprisingly often.
belshazzar64 2 years ago 17
He's probably a "classical liberal", if I had my guess.
jbutte 2 years ago 2
@belshazzar64 - Seems like you are a liberal, not a leftist. There's a big difference.
Salford999Red 1 year ago 2
How can someone decide what the motive is behind a crime? Aren't all crimes technically a form of hate? Shouldn't we be punishing someone for what they did, not what they think?
Won't this open doors for the attorneys to make more money by deciding words can be crimes?
twixcookie 2 years ago
For Christians you sure are rabid and ugly inside.
idontbakenocookies 2 years ago
Hmmm, so if I ever think I'm about to get beat up, I should loudly proclaim being gay, so if they then proceed to beat me up, they get a harsher sentence. Awesome.
And no, I'm not gay. :p
Zorpheus 2 years ago
You know, Shepards mother is anti-death penalty.
She actually requested they not be put to death. Which may have influenced their sentence. I don't know how I feel about that. Part of me wants to say she's a bigger person than I would be able to be. Another part of me thinks she's a limp wristed fool whose actions may have prevented full justice from being carried out.
Silvsilvchan 2 years ago
Hate Crime legislation creates a social caste system where some people are inherently superior than others.
USA4July1776 2 years ago 2
No leftist asshole who advocates for any hate crimes bill can truly call himself a "class warrior" without being exposed as the hypocrite he truly is!
HATE CRIMES HYPOCRITES!!!
HATE CRIMES HYPOCRITES!!!
Yep. We righteously call them on their bullshit!
QuartuvLarry 2 years ago 2
I stongly feel that homosexuality is against God - see the book of Leviticus and you will see God's disapproval for homosexual behavior. I'm not convinced that the gay-lifestyle is caused by genetics. I do feel that gays have the right to live their lives as they so choose. Hate crimes undermine the cornerstone of our legal system - Equal Protection Under the Law! Matthew Shepard's killers deserve the death penalty, but not because he was gay, but because he was a human being!
AmericanAvenger1 2 years ago 3
Mose's law was written by God Himself. Also, Mosaic law was never completely abolished or contradicted. Jesus fulfilled all previous laws and covenants between God and man. Portions of Mosaic law were lifted by God, but many sections still remain in full effect.
kassaj 2 years ago
I don't agree with homosexuality, but I never can justify causing any bodily harm to any gay individual for ANY reason. This crime speaks VOLUMES about the psychological makeup of the murderers who did this to him. How can ANYBODY torture and kill someone just because someone else is gay?
MikeyMcCrashCap 2 years ago
I've always believed, and continue to believe, that homosexual acts are a sin. The same goes for any number of other acts that are perfectly legal and that many of my friends participate in.
I do not seek to make those things with which I disagree illegal. Laws cannot really change hearts, and in fact, it is an injustice to all consenting adults who choose to participate in certain acts. Neither do I want people who disagree with my views to regulate and legislate my thoughts.
SeventhHanyou 2 years ago 4
Hate crime laws are unnecessary; the judge can and will take the motive into consideration when determining sentencing.
murphycline 2 years ago 3
1984.
meandean222 2 years ago 3
Excellent!
scott715 2 years ago
It's worth debating whether hate-crimes law is a good idea, but the legislation Obama signed merely adds sexual orientation to language that has been on the books for 40 years addressing crimes motivated by the victim's ethnicity or religious preference. So if the legislation is wrong, at least now it is more equitable. It was kind of sick that religious people enjoyed certain protections that gay people did not.
tzushih 2 years ago
There are violent people in this world and there are non-violent people in this world. It's as simple as that. And I want the violent people dealt with.
MikeyMcCrashCap 2 years ago
A valid, and cogent argument, well presented.
BobbyIronsights 2 years ago 2
I've notice a lot of Christians and Muslims lately getting totally turned on by sticking their heads up their asses. God I hate that.
eelzen 2 years ago
It's important not to get caught up in asininity of jackass politicians. Doing so may cause asinity in yourself. As for homosexuality, as a religious person, I say that the issue is not only irrelavent generally, and specified for my religion, it is spurious and capricious; in fact focusing on homosexuals or homosexuality, as a sin or not, although I do not believe people are born with it, nor did I think you did, as unaware of God's view, simply makes the soap-opera dramatists salivate. Nope.
MarkBH70 2 years ago
When did homosexuality become normal????? I can't believe your making apologies for thinking homosexuality is against God. Even if your an atheist you have to admit its a sin against nature to stick your penis up another guys sh*t tube. Who cares what these homosexuals think about the TRUTH. Homosexuality is a sexual perversion plain and simple, and it should never be accepted as an alternative to a NORMAL relationship.
motorhead1 2 years ago
I'm an atheist and I would not be willing to admit that it's "a sin against nature" for a man to have anal sex with another man. What consenting adults do in private is their business.
I care what people think is the truth and that includes homosexuals.
PS The bible also says eating shellfish is "against God."
mjbarrowful 2 years ago
I believe homosexuality is against God, and i will do my best to not allow popular cultural or legislation control my thoughts, feelings and speech about what i believe to be truth.
motorhead1 2 years ago 2
no hate should not be a crime,but when its a crime u commit out of that hate, then it is and should be a crime
love7277 2 years ago 2
Most crimes are committed out of that hate to begin with, love7277. Why do we need to tack identity politics onto something which should trouble all of us across the board (senseless ruthless violence?)
tarzanofcouches 2 years ago 2
Dude.... this is one video where I have to disagree with you. I'm a big fan, but homosexuality is against GOD. It says so in the Bible. This country is turning its back on the Constitution. A fag should have the right to be gay and do whatever he wants, and I have the right to say "hey, look at that faggety ass faggot"! Freedom is what the Constitution guarantees. Freedom of speech...duhhhh! Nobody's saying they can't be homos so they can all stop whining! Oh yeah! I hate fat dyke bitches!
Nehribus 2 years ago
What about masculine tall dyke bitches with a military background (no one asked and they certainly didn't tell) that can break your neck like a toothpick? =)
But I digress. As one of the few 'homos' that I think frequents SA's videos I really don't care what you think. I can disagree with it. I could start a debate about what the bible says or doesn't say (I'd rather not, the argument is redundant at this point and I am deist so its moot to me) but really what you believe is your business.
Silvsilvchan 2 years ago
In my law enforcement career there have been many bad guys who tried to snap my 22 inch neck... But I'd be willing to let a dyke try.... I haven't been tickled in a while... it could be fun!!!!!
Nehribus 2 years ago
GRRR! You will regret saying that!
Seriously. My hands are freezing. It would send chills all up and down your spine.
Silvsilvchan 2 years ago
Stop teasing me like that..... but I must tell ya, I live with no regrets. Since you are conservative and like metal, why don't ya check out my homemade music video I made titled "American" !!!!!! It's a bit harsh but to the point. Give it a look see and let me know what ya think.
Nehribus 2 years ago
Libertarian more so than conservative. I cheat on both movements.
As to the video: The music was awesome and the lyrics made me laugh out loud. Good job.
Silvsilvchan 2 years ago
All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.
George Orwell
Animal Farm
truthfreedom4all 2 years ago 3
Your point of comparing gay and minority targeted violence with crimes against whites or chivalrous men is spot on, and requires me to think about this a bit.
Assault is assault. Murder is murder. Institutionalizing motive does nothing to help further these 'protected' groups.
FunnyHedger 2 years ago
isn't any violent act done because of hate? yes. but its only called hate if the victem is of a seperate racial or religious group or sexual oreintation.
calling a crime a "hate" crime only further seperates us all into groups, its ass backwards.
"remember, were ALL THE SAME but if you hurt someone who was DIFFERENT than you its a HATE crime..." yes, same and different were both used in the same sentence to describe everyone, who is the same but entirely different. see the problem?
rawnie79 2 years ago 2
Great stuff.
zombiechaddy 2 years ago
I get what SA is saying, but I have to disagree with him.
When someone is brutally attacked for the simple reason of who they are (white, black, Hispanic, Asian, Middle Eastern, homosexual, or other), it's a crime MOTIVATED by hate. Ergo a HATE Crime. What I disagree with is special provisions. ANYONE can be a victim.
I'm black and I was called an Uncle Tom many times for saying Jena 6 should have been charged with a hate crime. They attacked an innocent kid because he was white.
Nawledge1 2 years ago
I don't think he's saying there isn't 'hate crime' but that the crime itself needs to be judged, not the motivations.
Once you start criminalizing motivations then thought becomes a crime. One hell of a slippery slope follows from there. Certainly you can kiss your 1st amendment rights (what's left of them) goodbye.
svenp 2 years ago
See what I said to love7277, Nawledge1.
tarzanofcouches 2 years ago
Well said, how did I miss this video? Five stars!
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
One word-civil action. If a rabid-bigot kills someone based on a sermon that he hears, then that preacher can kiss his bank account goodbye, and that`s abouut time too.
idontbakenocookies 2 years ago
aaaameeeen
DCUPtoejuice 2 years ago
according to the buybull, homosexuality is an abomination.
so christians should see it as against god.
has god changed his mind?
has god admitted to being wrong?
if you don't think homosexuality is an abomination, then stop calling yourself a christian!
SuperAtheist 2 years ago
you can think its an abomination without forcing your views onto others. if it doesn't directly effect you, then you should pay it no mind.
frionelhero 2 years ago
im not frcing my view on anyone if u wanna b gay then b gay doesnt mean i support it and Jesus di condem homosexuality when he spoke of the Law of Moses
johnnyreb1025 2 years ago
And the law says that if a man lays with another man as he does with a woman he should be put to death. How come "christians" only pay attention to the condemning part but not the killing part? hmm, seems to me if u are following "gods" word then u have to follow it all the way through and maybe it's because the religion itself would lose credibility if they acted upon that second part...something to think about amigo
peace...leviticus 20:13 :)
livealoha84 2 years ago
then you havent read the whole Bible Christ changed the Law when he died before Christ there was no salvation and no way to gain entry to heaven but after Christ died the path to salvation became open so all the condemnation could be put aside and people could go before God
johnnyreb1025 2 years ago
johnnyreb1025
what do you have against punctuation?
SuperAtheist 2 years ago
its the internet fuck off
johnnyreb1025 2 years ago
johnnyreb1025
"it's the internet, fuck off!"
(corrected)
that's not an answer.
ps
not using punctuation is an abomination to god!!!
SuperAtheist 2 years ago
That was Moses' Law. Not God's. Get it right my friend.
Didn't you miss the words of Jesus, who Christians are supposed to emulate, who said "Do violence against no man" in Luke 23? I believe that includes gays.
Nawledge1 2 years ago 3
Moses' Law was god's law, Moses did not come up with these "righteous" laws by himself,, he wrote them for his god...and I know Jesus condemned violence, which is a contradiction of the bible (old and new testament)
im for gay rights and im no believer in the big book of fairy tales in case i was misunderstood...
peace...
livealoha84 2 years ago
"Moses did not come up with these righteious laws by himself"
How do we know? The problem with that assesment is that the Ten Commandments are mutually exclusive, while Moses' Laws are regarded as Moses' Laws.
Reading the bible, you clearly see it says "The Ten Commandments of God", then goes on to list them, then it says "The Mosaic Laws", and it goes on to list those.
If Moses' Law = God's Law, why are they exclusive? And it never said Moses was inspired by God to write those laws.
Nawledge1 2 years ago
Thank u...by proving "god's law" and mosaic laws as different, you've just helped prove another biblical contradiction! you'll hear no argument from me here...
peace...
livealoha84 2 years ago
HOW? How is it a contradiction? The bible never says the Mosaic Laws are God's Laws. PEOPLE say that and you just took it as face value.
Nawledge1 2 years ago
I have met some homophobic atheists before...
Silvsilvchan 2 years ago
Silvsilvchan
really?
are you ok?
did you survive the encounter?
ever meet any hetrophobic gay scientologist albinos?
SuperAtheist 2 years ago
Oh dear, resorting to sarcastic hyperbole already? Did you or did you not suggest that being homophobic is inherently Christian and not being is inherently not Christian? Or Abrahamic. Not that I particularly believe anything in the bible but... if homosexuality is wrong according to Leviticus what about the parts in it about not eating pork and shellfish?
On an unrelated note I have no idea what Johnnyreb has against punctuation though I am curious what you have against capitalization.
Silvsilvchan 2 years ago
"Did you or did you not suggest that being homophobic is inherently Christian...?"
I didn't "suggest" it! I said it flat out.
"...and not being [homophobic] is inherently not Christian?"
that's your unfounded inference.
a christian must hate homosexuality, but an atheist has a choice.
people who eat pork can't be christians.
"what you have against capitalization"
it's along story!
pm me your phone number so I can tell you all about it.
otherwise....FUCK OFF, IT'S THE INTERNET!
SuperAtheist 2 years ago
"I didn't "suggest" it! I said it flat out."
So then non-christains can not be homophobic? You contradict this immediately following this statement. Therefore, as non-christians CAN be homophobic homophobia is not inherently Christian.
"a christian must blah blah blah"
Just like an Atheist must be a douche? =P That isn't true. I've met polite, intelligent atheists who are intellectually stimulating. You are not one of them. =)
Silvsilvchan 2 years ago
"a bloo bloo bloo you mock me for my bad grammar like i did that other guy."
"that's not an answer." Oh dear hypocrisy to go with our hyperbole now?
I'd rather not give you my number, but how about you give me your mailing address. I will promptly send you a box of razor blades, a black tinted lightbulb, and some Papa Roach albums. Then you can emo it up.
Silvsilvchan 2 years ago
""that's not an answer." Oh dear hypocrisy to go with our hyperbole now?"
I thought the sarcasm was obvious.
well, I guess I'll have to lay it on a little thicker for the sarcastic impaired!
SuperAtheist 2 years ago
Technically it should be 'sarcastically' impaired.
Also, successful troll was successful. ^_^
Silvsilvchan 2 years ago
Actually 5 black guys who watched Mississippi burning went on a spree attacking whites. They actually got convicted of a Hate Crime. But i had to go to Federal Court. I fully supported this. Instead of removing hate Crimes i say we push to make sure if you can prove that someone is attacking whites for the sole purpose of hating whites that the hate crime gets slapped on them.
PoliticalSkeptic 2 years ago
the problem is that it is difficult to prove that someone was motivated by hate.
frionelhero 2 years ago
If some one hurt me because I am gay, a woman, a native, a libertarian, or just to ruffle through my pockets and take a few bucks it wouldn't really matter to me. I would be upset that they hurt me and would want the full book thrown at them. That and what frionel said. Can you be absolutely sure something is motivated by prejudice? Even before it was found the Duke Lacross players didn't actually RAPE the black stripper I was like "Wouldn't raping her suggest that they liked black women?"
Silvsilvchan 2 years ago
Jack, you surprise me more and more every time I view a new video of you. You make me proud to be a conscious and cognizant human being in this beautiful and amazing country we call America situated on this pretty little blue-green sphere we call Earth. Good commentary!
N3row0lf 2 years ago
Too much of what passes for intellectual "debate" on the issue of homosexuality and gay marriage is based on the naturalistic fallacy.
whoo689 2 years ago
if you get beat up by a homo can you charge him with hate crime?
803honda 2 years ago 3
1. Yes, it is possible to know the mind of God. How presumptuous of you to assume that God cannot deliver this knowledge to man if it be its will.
2. Yes, homosexuality is against the will of God. You presume to speak for God in saying it isn't, thereby contradicting yourself and being incorrect.
3. All violent crimes are motivated by hatred, but not all hatreds result in violent crimes.
4. If the hatred is just, then it is good. If the hatred is unjust, then it is bad.
yakir27127 2 years ago
It's only just when it's against The Other, not when it's against someone in one's own circle. Are not all people, gay, straight or otherwise, not children of your god? Are you so impossibly thick as to not remember that the "word of god" contradicts itself several hundred times over the course of both Testaments? Do you also not remember "turn the other cheek" and "do unto others as you would have done unto you"? Stop cherry-picking your morals.
N3row0lf 2 years ago
To some degree, the fag or dyke is a child of God, and to some degree, the fag or dyke is not a child of God. God does not love all of its children equally.
I don't use the Bible as my source of authority. Furthermore, you also presume that I am Christian when I could easily be Jewish or Muslim. There is much beauty and truth in the Bible - especially the TaNaK - but my philosophy is The Philosophy of Life by Patrick Keefe.
yakir27127 2 years ago
So you're discarding the teachings within the bible relating to "all created in the image of god" and "god loves all of his children" in favor of your own personalized flavor of faith? Seems to me that in that same vein, doesn't matter if you're a fag, a dyke, a jew, a heathen or pagan... we're all still children of god in some form or another.
Also, I'm not familiar with Patrick Keefe, and the title isn't showing up in Google with any kind of discernible synopsis.
N3row0lf 2 years ago
To some degree, God created certain things, and to some degree certain things are products of chance and randomness.
If you google "The Philosophy of Life by Patrick Keefe" the first link is to the book.
yakir27127 2 years ago
How do you know. Did he tell you?
arcanekrusader 2 years ago
How presumptuous of you to claim that you can know the mind of God! If two people DO claim that God has spoken to them, but their "knowledge" contradicts each other....somebody's lying!
So....if the hatred is just, then any violence committed by the hater unto the hated in that context is not a crime? Wow, that says a lot about you right there.
ThePresidentialTouch 2 years ago
You contradict yourself, but because you are not logical, you do not see that. Your contradiction is that you must presume to know the mind of God to presume that God is unable or unwilling to give mankind knowledge of God.
As for your second comment, you put words in my mouth because, again, you are not a logical person. I do not say that all acts of violence motivated by hatred are good, but that it is possible for the hatred itself is good. Everyone should hate evil.
yakir27127 2 years ago
Define "evil". Anyone that's not within the "circle". Things like this always degenerate into an Us vs. Them scenario no matter WHAT side of the so-called "debate" you're on. If you're pro-gay, you're labeled as "in favor of silencing the christian minority", if you're anti-gay, you're labeled as "in favor of killing the gays, jews, feminists, pagans, etc ad infinitum".
And for intelligence's sake, where am I contradicting myself in the last two comments?
N3row0lf 2 years ago
You contradict yourself, but because you are not logical, you do not see that.
Your contradiction is that you must not presume to know the mind of God to presume that God is able or willing to give mankind knowledge of God.
As for YOUR second comment, I did not put words in your mouth because, again, you are not a logical person and logical people can see through what you're attempting.
Hatred itself is always good. How that hatred is directed is the basis for judgement by God only
ThePresidentialTouch 2 years ago
Jack, you are 100% correct.
RCinPAWA 2 years ago
SA, homosexuality is not something you're born with. This is the first vid of yours that I don't fully agree with.
smttysmth02gt 2 years ago
I suppose we've all had moments in our lives we've said things that later on we regretted. It happens more often when facing an attack, verbally or physically. Responses are usually born out of hate or fear. But to have the gov exercise its police power tying speech and violence together is dangerous. It has taken political correctness to the next level. The next step is to punish speech in the name of preventing violence, rather than addressing the violence after the fact.
bbburton 2 years ago
Jack, I disagree with your thinking here, "a crime is a crime. A person's thought should not matter".
But a person 's thought and intent do matter. If I were to carelessly kill someone vs purposely kill someone, should I get the same punishment for either act. Today, we would consider the former manslaughter and the latter 1st degree murder. Not to forget we also have 2nd degree murder(spur of the moment).
ratab1n 2 years ago
The legal system today takes into consideration the person's motive and intent. I don't see how adding an extra layer of hate crime is philosphically that different to what's already taken into consideration.
Not only that, but hate crimes murders are worse than normal murders because of the added social tensions they come with. Society as whole loses more due to hate crime murders than normal ones. WW1 was started because of one murder across national/ethnic lines.
ratab1n 2 years ago
If a fellow austrian had assassinated Franz Ferdinand, would WW1 have started?
ratab1n 2 years ago
To prosecute any crime you have to prove "intent"(Mens Rea) without "intent" there is no crime.
ArcticSlicer 2 years ago
This is foolish. There are some thoughts and intents that are relevant, and there are some thoughts and intents that are irrelevant. For example, my thought and intent over what weapon I would use to murder a man is irrelevant; all that would matter in that case is that I intend to murder the man.
yakir27127 2 years ago
But they don't matter as it relates to "hate crimes". Hate crime laws are completely rooted in bigotry, thus a contradiction in itself. It gives supremacy to those it tries to defend. No innocent life is more valuable than another and the notion of "hate crimes", ironically, hates that kind of equality.
Ovalshine 2 years ago
Thanks for this. I live in Canada. My little bro is gay and my dad was in the closet for years;it almost killed him. But people are allowed to think whatever the hell they want. And I want to KNOW who hates me and my family. The laws will drive this kind of stuff underground and play into the victim complex of the perps.
tattypatty 2 years ago
Home run this one is....
luxordeathbed 2 years ago
I agree that thinking should not be a crime anyway. I think Rachel Maddow did it better when she compared it to Tom Cruise Minority Report where they predicted the future crimes.
ChaoticSouls 2 years ago
This is Social Engineering on a global level buy the UN.
Just a Fact found in their literature and programs.
chewbaca1989 2 years ago
@Vid
Interesting.
MRSketch09 2 years ago
Boy howdy that was weak, Jack. Your own example damns your argument. You say that the two cases are equivalent but your friend's ACTIONS got him the a**whipping, but the gay guy's EXISTENCE got him his. In principle I think all hate crime should be treated separately, but in practice it's just too difficult to apply even-handedly. But to claim the application of hate crime to the Shepard attackers is a violation of their free speech is too much.
granulorhoek 2 years ago
The constitution gaurentees equal protection under the law....any hate crimes legislation is unconstitutional because it offers extra protection not afforded to everyone equally.Of course this does not mean they wont pass a law they know is unconstitutional.Look up cultural marxism and the frankfurt school....it explains why this is being done
Gunnarsguns 2 years ago 4
How would this not be equal to everyone? Does this legislation specifically state that a Hate crime comes into affect only when a majority person abuses a minority person. Hate is Hate. If a black person attacks a white person because he is white , I'm pretty sure the hate crime law would come into play.
ratab1n 2 years ago
This is right on. Murder is murder. Assault is assault. A crime against another person is a crime. The idea that the law will look at whether or not the person is black or white or gay or straight or christian or jew should NOT come into play.
Opinions and ideas in the form of words should not be a crime unless they are slanderous.
I don't believe that people are born gay. There you go. Spew your hatred at me for writing that. It's not a crime for you to do so and neither is it for me to say it.
conspiracy777 2 years ago 3
I could be wrong, but I dont think this is what the legislation is about. A white person attacking a black person wouldn't be hate crime unless there was some evidence for it. Also, I would imagine the burden of proof would lay on the defense.
ratab1n 2 years ago
Great video 5 stars SA you 've read my mind again. Their is no diffence and a crime should be a crime period.
jsh78mang 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
SHAME on SA for Being the Traitor to Christianity, Degenerate Gender Confusion is Sinful CHOICE, its Not Genetic or Natural, and calling it a Lifestyle is Mocking Christianity. Having shamefully participated in this sinful behavior during the Late 1970's I understand this issue better than most. Any holy Believer who follow GODs will knows the mind of Divine Reality.
aesopstruth 2 years ago
Traitor to Christianity? Mocking Christianity? Christianity mocks itself. It is nothing but a belief system made by men to control other men. It is only believed by those who want to be told what truth is. They forsake their God given abilities to discover it for themselves, and actually feel self-righteous enough about it to belittle others who dare to question their evidence-less belief.
You don't know what truth is. You are allowing yourself to be deluded. If ever there was a "sin"...
shoelessjohn 2 years ago 5
Shoeless Heretic, Christianity is ordained by GOD, not invented by men. As one considers all the wrong legislation done by government, criminalizing thought becomes another affront against the free speech of religious liberty and cultural heritage.
aesopstruth 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
I rest my case.
shoelessjohn 2 years ago
Wow
tfboyle 2 years ago
LMAO
Apptendo 2 years ago
It's phony extremist Christians like you who disgrace what would otherwise be a mild and OK religion in America. You're basing this belief on your own tastes, not what "god" actually believes. I can assure, the Bible does NOT outwardly condemn homosexuality. Sodom and Gomorrah is a poor example, having to do more with other personal characteristics of the people. And the apostle Paul was a hateful intolerant Republican jackass. Besides, Jesus never said a word about gays, so wtf
whoo689 2 years ago
God said it was a sin in Leviticus
johnnyreb1025 2 years ago 2
Not necessarily. The Leviticus verse only refers to gay sex. Any gay couple that DOESN'T have anal sex, according to this verse, is not really sinning (considering there are gay couples out there like that). Plus, most or all of the verses dealing with homosexuality in the Bible specifically refer to gay men and make no mention of lesbians.
whoo689 2 years ago
read 1st Romans it condems women that lay with women
johnnyreb1025 2 years ago
Jesus never said anything negative about gays.
frionelhero 2 years ago
lol good luck with that
idontbakenocookies 2 years ago
Leviticus was written by PEOPLE around 600 B.C.
shoelessjohn 2 years ago
Just as expected, some of your more conservative viewers seem to think you're some kind of Judas on homosexuality and are propagating the time-honored myth that being gay is a choice. Yeah, sure. Did you also CHOOSE to be straight?
whoo689 2 years ago
Of course, I find few straights that are saying today that they'd like to get rid of the over 1,000 legal benefits and rights obtained by marriage. So they're not likely to give up that monopoly anytime soon.
As we know from Economics class, monopolists are always very unwilling to give up their control. They'll fight it to the death.
whoo689 2 years ago
How is that a monopoly? By allowing gays the same benefits this in no way causes the straight person to lose their benefits, so I do not understand your point. P.S. I think it should all be equal, either get rid of all benefits or give gays all the benefits that hetero's get. I would prefer if government just got out of it alltogether though.
tfboyle 2 years ago
Homosexuality is against God he says it in the Bible.
ThaNorthFace 2 years ago
The Bible says a lot of things, ThaNorthFace. It also says you should stone homosexuals as well as disobedient children to death. Now why aren't YOU doing that? Like to cherry pick, do we?
MagnusIan 2 years ago
It's my buisness what cherries i pick not a concern of yours. ;]
ThaNorthFace 2 years ago
At least you admitted you were wrong about gays back in the day, Jack. Lesser men/conservatives could not admit the same thing. They'd stand by such disgusting words and bash gays or at least homosexuality all day long. As a libertarian, I don't give 2 shits what people do in private as long as no one's harmed or has his rights violated. It's none of my business whether anyone is gay or straight, and them getting married is also no one's business. No one has the right to vote on minorities.
whoo689 2 years ago
The minorities in society deserve their rights and decency just as much as the majority. I'm so sick of this marriage amendment crap. Who are they to discriminate against gay folks? As long as it's a LEGAL institution, gays have a right to it just as much as straights. It's public and therefore should be representative of ALL monogamous adults, not just heterosexuals. If you want to make it private and end the gov't sponsorship, be my guest. But until that happens...
whoo689 2 years ago
I totally agree on hate crimes. Violent crimes are violent crimes, and punishment shouldn't take into account "what they thought" about certain minorities they attacked or didn't attack. They should still get the highest punishment possible just for doing such heinous things.
I mean, ,what's the point of hate crimes legislation anyway? Is it to "drive down racism" in America by "teaching racists a lesson" and supposedly deterring them with harsher sentences? You're kidding me, right?
whoo689 2 years ago
SA, care to comment on Sodom & Gomorrah in light of this video?
Or the scripture that says God considers it an abomination for a man to lie with a man as he does a woman?
I guess God is a liar?
VonHelton 2 years ago
God doesn't exist and was made up by man 2,000 years ago.
Apptendo 2 years ago 4
VonHelton, The Bible also says you should stone homosexuals to death. Now if you are taking the Bible as THE word of God, why aren't you following orders? Is God not important enough for you?
MagnusIan 2 years ago 2
It is called context, you should really look into it.
eric710221 2 years ago
eric710221, CONTEXT? Really, motherfucker? You're going to pull that shit?
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
-Leviticus 20:13
Now tell me, eric, how is this taken out of conext? It's pretty cut and dry if you ask me.
I strongly suggest that you read ALL of the Old Testament. You'll find that Yahweh is one insane bastard.
MagnusIan 2 years ago
Gays should carry concealed weapons. Defend themswelves.
idontbakenocookies 2 years ago
The Pink Pistols agree with you.
Ovalshine 2 years ago
I agree.
exanchorite 2 years ago
i agree with you.S.A. Gays
idontbakenocookies 2 years ago
Homosexuality is a cureable psychosis. And Sheperd got his ass whipped because he was drunk & got caught picking people pockets at the bar. Go to Wyo & ask anybody. Not hard to find people that were there. Homosexuals can be very violent.
MrHelldogger 2 years ago
That`s not what happened.
idontbakenocookies 2 years ago
Correct. Until 1970, homosexuality was classified as a mental disorder. But then the AMA/APA got huge sums of cash, and shortly thereafter changed homosexuality from a mental disorder to an "alternate lifestyle".
They were bribed......Plain & simple.
VonHelton 2 years ago
Picking pockets? Lol. Yeah, sure. Evidence?
whoo689 2 years ago
I told you, go to Wyo. Go to Gurnsey, Laramie, etc. You'll meet folks that were there.
MrHelldogger 2 years ago
they want to keep us all divided, they're desperate to put divisions between us all, it's classic divide and conquer, get us all arguing with each other, ... the most common sense approach to this would be to treat every crime as a crime, if a white guy gets beat up the perpetrator should face the same consequences if a black guy was beat up.
HuxleyWasRight 2 years ago
Wether anyone is born homosexual doesn't really change the issue at hand, where you are essentially correct.
RealArcalian 2 years ago
Mr. Southern Avenger: I consider myself a left-liberal that opposes political correctness. You bring up some good points; however, I am actually oppose to the death penalty under all circumstances...
PsychoPunk1965 2 years ago
"The overwhelming majority of homosexuals are born gay", I'm not convinved.
exanchorite 2 years ago
Your not convinced that homosexuals are born gay huh? It's a choice is it? We can actually test that one out right here and now...
Try choosing to be gay, just for a moment, imagine making out with a big muscley dude while he holds you close to his big hairy chest, his thick mustache brushing across your lips...
Was that a huge turn on for ya? Did choosing to be gay work for ya? Or was that an absolutely repulsive thought?
I personally could not choose to be gay, I just couldn't do it.
ogjimkenobi 2 years ago 3
That's you personally some people may differ your test fails. But it IS a choice you do not have to live a gay life style you choose too.
ThaNorthFace 2 years ago
probably because thats a load of shit. everyone has a choice over their own decissions, even the ones with genetic predispositions.
dont get me wrong, if they want to get feces on their genitals its no one's busines but their own.
all im saying is they should cut down on the synthetic estrogen we all get from over usage of toxic plastics before they make a life altering decission like that.
cyberpsygen7 2 years ago
Correct. There is no "Gay Gene"........It doesn't exist.
VonHelton 2 years ago
If there's no gay gene, is there also no "straight gene"? Then you've gotta admit that heterosexuals and gays both cannot CHOOSE their orientations. It just happens over time. It's a mix of factors, in fact. To try to isolate one or the other is silly.
whoo689 2 years ago 2