I don't care what people say about this movie, I could listen to Roddy McDowall ramble to himself outside of Cirith Ungol for hours. I'm not even joking.
In this version which is a version general intend for children It shows the ring tempting Sam with visions of what could be, and in the end shows same overcoming the rings lies.
In Jacksons version intend for an older audience it shows Sam pausing for about 3 seconds before giving the ring to Frodo.
My most major complaint about this scene is the cheapness of the animators when we CLEARLY see that Barad-dur in Sam's imagination looks exactly the same as Cirith Ungol earlier. The reuse of the picture bugs me. Otherwise, I love this scene and this movie.
@PadraikKasier Maybe you mean "looks exactly like Minas Tirith" Because cirith Ungol and Barad Dur in this movie don't look alike at all. Cirith Ungol is a barely formed hunk of eroded rock that's almost irregular, Barad Dur is a professional-looking castle with smooth walls and towers... kind of like a red blood-stained verion of Minas Mirith without its outer walls. Or course there's no detailed description of what Barad Dur should look like so of course Peter Jackson saw it differently.
@susumu07; No, it can't be Minas Mirith, although those two do look very similar. I'm not talking about the first shot in the movie of Cirith Ungol; that is very rough hewn. I think maybe it's later in the movie when the dialogue mentions Cirith Ungol and there are a few ringwraiths circling the fortress. I'll have to look at the movie again.
I wish the whole movie was up on here so I could re-watch those scenes for myself... I know there's one part where Gandalf names most of the major castles of the final war. Someone please upload the movie, I remember it used to be up.
Such a great moment in Tolkien. It's too bad Peter Jackson's narrative gave such short shriff to a moment like this. What a shame. It speaks volumes. In spite of the flaws. I'd rate this higher to Tolkien fans, looking for a visual, than Jackson.
Once again, a moment of direct confrontation between good and evil, that Peter Jackson was afraid of, but Tolkien, and even Rankin and Bass embraced. As much as I don't like it, I give Rankin/Bass credit for at least giving screen time to a true trial. Peter Jackson could never give the good guys their due. What a servant of Sauron!!!!
I tend to think that the sequence at 2:09 to 4:17 is actually a vision given to Sam by the Ring. The Ring is trying to tempt him into putting it on by appealing to his personal desires. Sam enjoys gardening, and the Ring knows it, so it's telling him, "Put me on, Sam, and I will help you turn the whole world into a garden. You know you want to." But Sam knows that the Ring is lying to him, so he rejects its offer.
Well, yeah. Unlike the movie, when Sam get's the ring, he really does imagine the power of It. Peter Jackson was affraid of demonstrating the Ring's true power.
Ruling your miserable empire from the top of an iron throne for all eternity?
Not badass.
Having the entire tainted world laid before you but instead choosing to endure great hardships for the slim hope that one day you can live in a world of peace and prosperity?
@Alectr0n Destroying everything before you in a flurry of fire, and death so that you can rule from your iron throne? Badass. Saving the world because an old fart to you to throw a ring in a volcano, and probably die doing it? Not really. All about perspective, Alectr0n.
@TheCalcuttan Humans are unique in the world in that we use empathy, reason and altruism to resist the destructive and older instincts like greed, hatred and savagery. Consciously overcoming these urges, especially under temptation, is what separates men from beasts and is what allows civilization to function and prosper. The entire LotR story was about the danger of this temptation and those noble enough to resist it, Sam's love resisted the base desire for power the ring was tempting him with.
@TheCalcuttan Yes it did, I explained how you either have the perspective of a human or of an animal. A chimpanzee given the opportunity would choose to dominate and oppress others, every time. Only a human could choose cooperation and kindness while under temptation from greed and pride.
Humans who can't do this are called psycho/sociopaths and are miserable wretches.
@Alectr0n Lions are capable of empathy, the use of empathy comes from the fact that you can afford to use it, humans at one point were as savage and wild has any animal, because he didn't have time for empathy on a regular baises, you can't get to the top in this world through empathy, and we didn't, through our savaragry we became the dominate race, few things can truely harm us, thus we can afford to use empathy more often than the lesser creatures..
The ring tempts people in accordance to their nature. It tempted Galadrial to become a bright and terrible iron-fisted warrior queen. It tempts Sam with the power of creation. In many ways, Sam's temptation is the most potent. For in Tolkien's work, it is the desire for that power of ultimate creation that leads to the most suffering. Morgoth desired to create greater things than Illuvatar and the Valar. Sauron was tempted in this way as well.
This is without a doubt Maury Laws' (Composer for Rankin and Bass) shining moment. Love this sequence and the score that goes along with it. Beautiful and powerful.
There was a moment in Jackson's film when Samwise paused before giving the ring back to Frodo. I was hoping they would show a montage of Sam's temptations.
@glickle No I think it would have been overkill in the Jackson movie... Sam's hesitation told us all we needed to know. I like this scene from the cartoon, though.
cartoon is prob more accurate than return the movie. frodo, hobbit of the shire, would never have sent his dear sam away. frodo and sam walk into the tunnel above cirith ungol hand in hand
This scene should have been included in the live-action LOTR. Galadriel faced the temptation to take the Ring, Boromir faced the same and lost. Aragorn also allowed Frodo to continue on his way. However, the only hobbits to have been tempted by the Ring were Bilbo and Frodo. Sean Astin could have done this scene brilliantly, had he been given a chance to play it out.
@ZeldaQueen64: If I remember back, Frodo physically grabs it back... But I agree with shounenbat510, something like this should have definitely been included in the movie.
True, but things already were pretty stretched. I'm wondering if Jackson did film something but had to cut it. There's apparently still a lot of stuff that wasn't even included in the Extended Edition...
What is the name of the song that comes right after this one? The one where Samwise is imagining himself back in the shire? With simple pleasures? I love that one:)
This scene shows so superbly the true power of the One Ring... That even a purely good hearted person such as Sam could fall under it's sway. The desire to claim it's great power, even to do good, would ultimately result in evil, but the noble intentions of Samwise in this scene are truly very touching.
@Ccomaffayod In the book, the Ring tries to tempt Sam with a vision of a garden the size of the Shire, but Sam realizes that he could never tend so vast a garden himself, and hiring others tend it wouldn't be satisfying.
I know, instead they had that lame scene in Osgiliath to show the rings power. They said they had to show Faramir was tempted, but we don't know Faramir, Sam getting all crazy is so much more powerful.
You have the ring of power, the most awesome force in all of Middle Earth and... become a world-wide gardener? Sam, you're not very good at being evil. :p
@OokySpooky1313 Well, Sam was still a good guy, and those were all images the ring gave him to tempt him to claim it. It wouldn't have worked that way, but it was to appeal to the gardener in him, I guess. I don't quite understand it either.
@OokySpooky1313 You must understand that the ring lure people with their deepest desires. And Sam WAS a gardener, so I think it would just be logic that he would love to transform Mordor into a loveable garden.
Without this scene, which Rankin/Bass recognized as being more important than Tolkien himself did, it is very difficult to acually empathize with Frodo's strain and troubles. The Ring's wickedness and psychic effects were not outwardly visible so a scene like this was very necessary - which Peter Jackson flubbed completely.
Too bad Jackson's Return of the King was so lame. The first two films were fairly strong, bu the last one was a complete loser.
See! This was the one part they had in the book and the movie which they never had in the live movie, even in the extended version. Peter Jackson messed up be elongating the approach to Shelob's lair part.
Ach! I wish you had let it go a few more moments. My favorite line, and the line that defines Sam in my mind, is when he talks about being nothing more than a humble gardener, and that's good enough for him.
real akward! But interesting to see another verison of the books instead of Peter Jacksons. I think this is really a version for kids because many imaginative and philosophical outspreads which are in the movies and in the books seems missing or be solved like this cute epsiode.
The fantasy Sam has here is very fitting when you consider Sam's character, as well as Tolkien's view on creating things. Sam wants to do good, and banish Sauron, and turn Mordor into a garden of life. But this vision, as good as it seems, it in fact evil under Tolkien's view of creation. To Tolkien creating something for selfish reasons was inherently evil.
"To Tolkien creating something for selfish reasons was inherently evil." Which is one of the major themes of the entire series. Such even extends into the Silmarils ect.
I keep finding comments on videos of the animated "The Hobbit" and "RoTK" complaining about their musical content. The fact of the matter is that J.R.R. Tolkien used song as an integral part of his storytelling. Anyone who scoffs at this video or any similar to it because it is part of a musical representation of LotR is simply ignorant of Tolkien's purpose and inspiration.
i've nothing against the use of song for storytelling, in fact i support it. however, my main issue with this is the fact that i think if they were going to use the songs, they should use songs from the book. my other issue is that the actual songs do not seem to portray to me the beauty of song as described by Tolkien. even dark and dangerous songs should still have the melodic complexity to allow a duality of nature. a different composer would have been better, in my opinion.
Bear in mind that this is meant as a kid's movie. The songs are, in and of themselves, pretty good, but no kid would ever watch a movie quoting Silmaril passages...and that's a kid who read the trilogy when he was like in the 6th grade telling you this...before all those PJ fans made me die inside...sure, Tolkien's epics are awesome (the Fall of Fingolfin, and the Fall of Finarfin, are two of my favourite poems EVER), but it just wouldn't fit with the rest of the movie IMHO. Just my 2 cents.
@Minyasta For me, while I agree that the music fits Tolkien's intent, in this particular scene I find the music both corny and timed in a manner so as to make the viewer feel as though he or she is watching one of those cheesy memories-of-the-time movies where the music actively interacts with the characters. So... I prefer Quenya or Sindarin to Common for LotR music. ^^
@hadomaru Uh, this movie came out in the 80s. They loved music videos. It was their life. This fits in with that musical era because its basically a really long music video!
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wtf?! what is with the stupid men's chorus? how the hell are they making this into a bloody musical??? ...oh my god. this is so scary. i am so glad i never wacthed this animated version... only now i will, just to see how horrible it is... and how they mes up the story with more idiotic songs... i wonder if they all wear pants....
I think while Peter Jackson's movies and the cartoon movies are pretty good, the animated movies were probably more directed for kids to enjoy than older adults. I doubt the makers didn't care that much when designing the Hobbits, because they probably didn't bank on little kids criticizing on such issues.
You are an idiot. The Orcs shown here are a better fit than the stereotypical shit Jackson made everyone swallow in gallons (obviously, some liked it, you just can't account for taste, eh?). Plus, the Hobbits here look great. Man, the problem witht this is the actual animation, and the voice of Skeletor the Lord of the Nazgûl XD
Seriously, this is so much better than the movei PJ made considering the funds and technology...it's not even funny...
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Samwise needs to step off and know his role. He is a mere servant and not fit to lick the boots of the Baggins family. Frodo should've pushed him in Mount Doom along with Gollum. His nose is obnoxiously big.
Come on, man, Sam is awesome. Obviously, this was yet another part raped by PJ, but in the actual book he's way cool. If I ever will be a Hobbit...weell, I'd be Merry. But otherwise, I'd totally be...Gollum XD
Furthermore, this is the Ring talking (or imagining, or whatever), not our humble little big-nosed Hobbit.
It is too bad that this scene, this conflict between Sam and the Ring was not filmed in PJ'S version of THE RETURN OF THE KING. I guess Jackson decided he didn't want that scene filmed. Still it would've been interesting to see Sean Astin as Samwise the Strong.
god i miss this video, i wish i knew where i can find it on DVD. Anyone know of a place like walmart, suncoast video or anywhere else that has the original cartoon of lord of the rings? If you know of a place, PM me ^_^ thanks
Easily the best scene in the whole film, even if the mispronounciation of names irritates at times.
Hirvassalo 1 month ago
The musical score here is awesome.
spectreblofeld 1 month ago
BEST. EVIL OVERLORD. EVER.
Tareltonlives 2 months ago 4
@Tareltonlives thats exactly the point though, he wants to claimits power but not to be evil.
OkamsRazer 2 months ago
when sauron heard that noooooo! he must of said: " what the fuck?"
Maxbun3 2 months ago
These movies and songs were my introduction to the worlds of Tolkien. Please don't scoff at them. It's ignorant and unworthy.
pspboy7 3 months ago
@pspboy7 Actually, certain songs were in the books themselves.
IAMARATEL 3 months ago
No, Sam!!! but you are already Sam the Strong!
TheGoldenChile 3 months ago
Does anyone have the poetry from gandolf at the begining of this cartoon? It would be an excelent addition to this small group of poetry!
Exxoduss1 4 months ago
I think the Jackson version was better. I don't think it takes five minutes to get the message through.
EGLchan 4 months ago
I don't care what people say about this movie, I could listen to Roddy McDowall ramble to himself outside of Cirith Ungol for hours. I'm not even joking.
NeoSarinatan 4 months ago
this right here is pretty much better than any scene in the movies
seph13x 4 months ago
In this version which is a version general intend for children It shows the ring tempting Sam with visions of what could be, and in the end shows same overcoming the rings lies.
In Jacksons version intend for an older audience it shows Sam pausing for about 3 seconds before giving the ring to Frodo.
I think this version wins.
mdude009 5 months ago
That was a "no" to remember...
PeterTravisBooth 5 months ago
that was stupid that was epic that was stupid epic
aquelescaraaaaaaaaaa 5 months ago
I kind of wish Sam would have done it...
GeishaShattori 6 months ago
My most major complaint about this scene is the cheapness of the animators when we CLEARLY see that Barad-dur in Sam's imagination looks exactly the same as Cirith Ungol earlier. The reuse of the picture bugs me. Otherwise, I love this scene and this movie.
PadraikKasier 7 months ago
@PadraikKasier Maybe you mean "looks exactly like Minas Tirith" Because cirith Ungol and Barad Dur in this movie don't look alike at all. Cirith Ungol is a barely formed hunk of eroded rock that's almost irregular, Barad Dur is a professional-looking castle with smooth walls and towers... kind of like a red blood-stained verion of Minas Mirith without its outer walls. Or course there's no detailed description of what Barad Dur should look like so of course Peter Jackson saw it differently.
susumu07 7 months ago
@susumu07; No, it can't be Minas Mirith, although those two do look very similar. I'm not talking about the first shot in the movie of Cirith Ungol; that is very rough hewn. I think maybe it's later in the movie when the dialogue mentions Cirith Ungol and there are a few ringwraiths circling the fortress. I'll have to look at the movie again.
PadraikKasier 7 months ago
@PadraikKasier
I wish the whole movie was up on here so I could re-watch those scenes for myself... I know there's one part where Gandalf names most of the major castles of the final war. Someone please upload the movie, I remember it used to be up.
susumu07 7 months ago
@susumu07; Me too.
PadraikKasier 7 months ago
the ring is steroids?
AEVautomatic 8 months ago
Such a great moment in Tolkien. It's too bad Peter Jackson's narrative gave such short shriff to a moment like this. What a shame. It speaks volumes. In spite of the flaws. I'd rate this higher to Tolkien fans, looking for a visual, than Jackson.
acates1976 10 months ago
Once again, a moment of direct confrontation between good and evil, that Peter Jackson was afraid of, but Tolkien, and even Rankin and Bass embraced. As much as I don't like it, I give Rankin/Bass credit for at least giving screen time to a true trial. Peter Jackson could never give the good guys their due. What a servant of Sauron!!!!
acates1976 10 months ago
Samwise Gamgee: when he rules the world, he'll plant flowers~
seesnapefly 11 months ago 19
great music
mahender6969 11 months ago 2
I tend to think that the sequence at 2:09 to 4:17 is actually a vision given to Sam by the Ring. The Ring is trying to tempt him into putting it on by appealing to his personal desires. Sam enjoys gardening, and the Ring knows it, so it's telling him, "Put me on, Sam, and I will help you turn the whole world into a garden. You know you want to." But Sam knows that the Ring is lying to him, so he rejects its offer.
zvermilyer3 11 months ago 7
@zvermilyer3
Well, yeah. Unlike the movie, when Sam get's the ring, he really does imagine the power of It. Peter Jackson was affraid of demonstrating the Ring's true power.
acates1976 10 months ago
@zvermilyer3 glad someone here in the comments section gets it.
woollybully100 9 months ago
Ruling your miserable empire from the top of an iron throne for all eternity?
Not badass.
Having the entire tainted world laid before you but instead choosing to endure great hardships for the slim hope that one day you can live in a world of peace and prosperity?
Beyond badass.
Alectr0n 1 year ago 4
@Alectr0n Destroying everything before you in a flurry of fire, and death so that you can rule from your iron throne? Badass. Saving the world because an old fart to you to throw a ring in a volcano, and probably die doing it? Not really. All about perspective, Alectr0n.
TheCalcuttan 2 months ago
@TheCalcuttan Humans are unique in the world in that we use empathy, reason and altruism to resist the destructive and older instincts like greed, hatred and savagery. Consciously overcoming these urges, especially under temptation, is what separates men from beasts and is what allows civilization to function and prosper. The entire LotR story was about the danger of this temptation and those noble enough to resist it, Sam's love resisted the base desire for power the ring was tempting him with.
Alectr0n 2 months ago
@Alectr0n That had nothing to do with perspective, but good insight to something I already knew.
TheCalcuttan 2 months ago
@TheCalcuttan Yes it did, I explained how you either have the perspective of a human or of an animal. A chimpanzee given the opportunity would choose to dominate and oppress others, every time. Only a human could choose cooperation and kindness while under temptation from greed and pride.
Humans who can't do this are called psycho/sociopaths and are miserable wretches.
Alectr0n 2 months ago
@Alectr0n Lions are capable of empathy, the use of empathy comes from the fact that you can afford to use it, humans at one point were as savage and wild has any animal, because he didn't have time for empathy on a regular baises, you can't get to the top in this world through empathy, and we didn't, through our savaragry we became the dominate race, few things can truely harm us, thus we can afford to use empathy more often than the lesser creatures..
Visser0x 2 months ago
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wow. just, wow. just plain awful
213Corndog 1 year ago
The ring tempts people in accordance to their nature. It tempted Galadrial to become a bright and terrible iron-fisted warrior queen. It tempts Sam with the power of creation. In many ways, Sam's temptation is the most potent. For in Tolkien's work, it is the desire for that power of ultimate creation that leads to the most suffering. Morgoth desired to create greater things than Illuvatar and the Valar. Sauron was tempted in this way as well.
Pfisiar22 1 year ago 5
This is without a doubt Maury Laws' (Composer for Rankin and Bass) shining moment. Love this sequence and the score that goes along with it. Beautiful and powerful.
DMaustrap 1 year ago
Oh!,I can feel you change as we draw near the great furnaces where in the depths of time you were shaped and formed.
oOoCasperoOo0 1 year ago
There was a moment in Jackson's film when Samwise paused before giving the ring back to Frodo. I was hoping they would show a montage of Sam's temptations.
glickle 1 year ago 3
@glickle No I think it would have been overkill in the Jackson movie... Sam's hesitation told us all we needed to know. I like this scene from the cartoon, though.
773SleepyHollow 1 year ago
Watching this brings back pleasant memories of reading the books, it feels as epic.
JedioftheRose 1 year ago
cartoon is prob more accurate than return the movie. frodo, hobbit of the shire, would never have sent his dear sam away. frodo and sam walk into the tunnel above cirith ungol hand in hand
gondor420 1 year ago
That was BAD ASS!
warsun99 1 year ago
Most epic children's cartoon. Ever.
somedude221 1 year ago
This was truly an amazing movie!
ProKillerNinja 1 year ago
Man that moment Sam denies the Ring is so badass and epic.
Cbake369 1 year ago
That speach was epic, very Tolkien :)
Cocarat206 1 year ago
This scene should have been included in the live-action LOTR. Galadriel faced the temptation to take the Ring, Boromir faced the same and lost. Aragorn also allowed Frodo to continue on his way. However, the only hobbits to have been tempted by the Ring were Bilbo and Frodo. Sean Astin could have done this scene brilliantly, had he been given a chance to play it out.
shounenbat510 1 year ago
He was hinted to have been tempted, when Frodo asks him to get it back. He starts to get all distant and looks like he's about to refuse.
ZeldaQueen64 1 year ago
@ZeldaQueen64: If I remember back, Frodo physically grabs it back... But I agree with shounenbat510, something like this should have definitely been included in the movie.
ProphetoftheMachines 1 year ago
True, but things already were pretty stretched. I'm wondering if Jackson did film something but had to cut it. There's apparently still a lot of stuff that wasn't even included in the Extended Edition...
ZeldaQueen64 1 year ago
There were no room for it in the live action
OrginalKork 1 year ago
What is the name of the song that comes right after this one? The one where Samwise is imagining himself back in the shire? With simple pleasures? I love that one:)
Sethrezin 2 years ago
Less Can Be More
LadyDeirdre 2 years ago
This scene shows so superbly the true power of the One Ring... That even a purely good hearted person such as Sam could fall under it's sway. The desire to claim it's great power, even to do good, would ultimately result in evil, but the noble intentions of Samwise in this scene are truly very touching.
Ccomaffayod 2 years ago 2
@Ccomaffayod In the book, the Ring tries to tempt Sam with a vision of a garden the size of the Shire, but Sam realizes that he could never tend so vast a garden himself, and hiring others tend it wouldn't be satisfying.
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Ccomaffayod 2 years ago 4
I know, instead they had that lame scene in Osgiliath to show the rings power. They said they had to show Faramir was tempted, but we don't know Faramir, Sam getting all crazy is so much more powerful.
sagerider2 2 years ago
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Ccomaffayod 2 years ago
Haha Bara-Dur is so fucked. :)
Itsafuckingusername 2 years ago
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Cocarat206 2 years ago
You have the ring of power, the most awesome force in all of Middle Earth and... become a world-wide gardener? Sam, you're not very good at being evil. :p
Silly hobbit! <3
(I love this movie! :D)
OokySpooky1313 2 years ago 69
maybe there is some hobbit in you? ;D
killerbee2k 2 years ago 3
@OokySpooky1313 Well, Sam was still a good guy, and those were all images the ring gave him to tempt him to claim it. It wouldn't have worked that way, but it was to appeal to the gardener in him, I guess. I don't quite understand it either.
Jademageify 1 year ago
@OokySpooky1313 You must understand that the ring lure people with their deepest desires. And Sam WAS a gardener, so I think it would just be logic that he would love to transform Mordor into a loveable garden.
Xarfax321 6 months ago 3
You know what would kill the moment? If Sam actually heard the chorus mens' voices.
Ermundos 2 years ago
Without this scene, which Rankin/Bass recognized as being more important than Tolkien himself did, it is very difficult to acually empathize with Frodo's strain and troubles. The Ring's wickedness and psychic effects were not outwardly visible so a scene like this was very necessary - which Peter Jackson flubbed completely.
Too bad Jackson's Return of the King was so lame. The first two films were fairly strong, bu the last one was a complete loser.
SororThothma 2 years ago 5
I completely agree, well almost. I fell asleep during two towers but the first one was really good.
killerbee2k 2 years ago
he turnt one of the orcs into the platypus
kudzookid 2 years ago
The singing is superb. Delightfully dramatic.
mansonii 2 years ago 4
This is one of my favorite scenes
theallseeingoracle 3 years ago
he said baradur
WeaslysWizardWeezes 3 years ago
See! This was the one part they had in the book and the movie which they never had in the live movie, even in the extended version. Peter Jackson messed up be elongating the approach to Shelob's lair part.
cctrent 3 years ago 5
Ach! I wish you had let it go a few more moments. My favorite line, and the line that defines Sam in my mind, is when he talks about being nothing more than a humble gardener, and that's good enough for him.
audthorn1 3 years ago
This was so much more dramatic that the book... I just read this part last night and it wasn't near as dramatic... Books still better though :P
mikeyboy86 3 years ago
"Must recall the quest, to end this darkest age, that mortal death has kissed." My fave line from the song.
thorneosgard 3 years ago
Such passion, such conviction. -Oh! I can feel you change as we draw near the great furnaces where in the depths of time you were shaped and formed.-
illithicithid 3 years ago 5
real akward! But interesting to see another verison of the books instead of Peter Jacksons. I think this is really a version for kids because many imaginative and philosophical outspreads which are in the movies and in the books seems missing or be solved like this cute epsiode.
SusanneEowyn 3 years ago 2
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Why did animators in this period deem it necessary to make Sam morbidly ugly? Thank heavens for Sean Astin.
And why the song?
Meh, could be worse. Disney could have tried to do it. *massive shudder*
ShelleyTheScribbler 3 years ago
He's a hobbit.
Voretus 3 years ago
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Dude, these movies SUCK!!!
lotrfan66 3 years ago
Dude, YOU SUCK!!!
DRAKULU 3 years ago
That was meant for lotrfan66.
DRAKULU 3 years ago
The fantasy Sam has here is very fitting when you consider Sam's character, as well as Tolkien's view on creating things. Sam wants to do good, and banish Sauron, and turn Mordor into a garden of life. But this vision, as good as it seems, it in fact evil under Tolkien's view of creation. To Tolkien creating something for selfish reasons was inherently evil.
SeannyOg 3 years ago 8
"To Tolkien creating something for selfish reasons was inherently evil." Which is one of the major themes of the entire series. Such even extends into the Silmarils ect.
sircumby 3 years ago 3
I keep finding comments on videos of the animated "The Hobbit" and "RoTK" complaining about their musical content. The fact of the matter is that J.R.R. Tolkien used song as an integral part of his storytelling. Anyone who scoffs at this video or any similar to it because it is part of a musical representation of LotR is simply ignorant of Tolkien's purpose and inspiration.
Minyasta 4 years ago 80
Well said.
LeeroyMJenkins 3 years ago
You have discovered the most basic test to find out the difference between a LotR fan and a fan of the LotR movies (Peter Jackson's)
ebrules 3 years ago 3
i've nothing against the use of song for storytelling, in fact i support it. however, my main issue with this is the fact that i think if they were going to use the songs, they should use songs from the book. my other issue is that the actual songs do not seem to portray to me the beauty of song as described by Tolkien. even dark and dangerous songs should still have the melodic complexity to allow a duality of nature. a different composer would have been better, in my opinion.
luthien588 3 years ago 2
Bear in mind that this is meant as a kid's movie. The songs are, in and of themselves, pretty good, but no kid would ever watch a movie quoting Silmaril passages...and that's a kid who read the trilogy when he was like in the 6th grade telling you this...before all those PJ fans made me die inside...sure, Tolkien's epics are awesome (the Fall of Fingolfin, and the Fall of Finarfin, are two of my favourite poems EVER), but it just wouldn't fit with the rest of the movie IMHO. Just my 2 cents.
innocenceprovesnaugh 3 years ago 2
Er...sry...this was a reply to azn3000...
innocenceprovesnaugh 3 years ago
arg...the replies don't go where they should...
innocenceprovesnaugh 3 years ago
Tolkien never wrote a song that sounded like *that.* If they had to use a song, they should have used one from the books.
ShelleyTheScribbler 3 years ago
But he SHOULD have made a song like this... >.>
ebrules 3 years ago
@Minyasta I find the cantoring parts epic but I think Yarborough's guitar parts were a poor choice. They should have had more orchestrated pieces.
Ylfordt 1 year ago
@Minyasta I think it's more because the songs aren't used in the say Tolkien did, and they're kind of silly as well.
edmundog 11 months ago
@Minyasta For me, while I agree that the music fits Tolkien's intent, in this particular scene I find the music both corny and timed in a manner so as to make the viewer feel as though he or she is watching one of those cheesy memories-of-the-time movies where the music actively interacts with the characters. So... I prefer Quenya or Sindarin to Common for LotR music. ^^
13BloodMoon13 7 months ago
@Minyasta Its just that it doesn't translate as well into a movie, at least not a modern one.
hadomaru 5 months ago
@hadomaru Uh, this movie came out in the 80s. They loved music videos. It was their life. This fits in with that musical era because its basically a really long music video!
HauntedNimbrethil 5 months ago
@Minyasta True but the Tolkien songs weren't really anything like this and they added to the book.
This is just a guy breaking out into song in a place where he should really be doing his best to be stealthy...
AFredCalledFred 4 months ago
Gave me nghtmares 14 years ago, gonna give me nightmares tonight...
UndecendedTesticals 4 years ago
so you like it?-)
Gilnar13 4 years ago
impressive. I like the song and I like the visions. I think this part sticks to the book more than the others...
Gilnar13 4 years ago 2
Holy eyebrows!
LeeroyMJenkins 4 years ago
Luthien588: Its how they made it. You don't like it and that's fine. But there is no call to into a rant.
frodowise 4 years ago
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wtf?! what is with the stupid men's chorus? how the hell are they making this into a bloody musical??? ...oh my god. this is so scary. i am so glad i never wacthed this animated version... only now i will, just to see how horrible it is... and how they mes up the story with more idiotic songs... i wonder if they all wear pants....
luthien588 4 years ago
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horrible, terrible movie - absolute waste.
Alfrunk 4 years ago
Your a fool.
SubTukkZero 4 years ago 3
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care to elaborate on that you illiterate jackass?
Alfrunk 4 years ago
its even worse look at the orcs and stuff. freaking stupid and hobbit's noises arnt that freaking huge like a cock
azn3000 4 years ago
I think while Peter Jackson's movies and the cartoon movies are pretty good, the animated movies were probably more directed for kids to enjoy than older adults. I doubt the makers didn't care that much when designing the Hobbits, because they probably didn't bank on little kids criticizing on such issues.
BlasphemeQuarantine 4 years ago
i guess i really didnt give that much thought well thanks for telling me that anyway.
azn3000 4 years ago
You are an idiot. The Orcs shown here are a better fit than the stereotypical shit Jackson made everyone swallow in gallons (obviously, some liked it, you just can't account for taste, eh?). Plus, the Hobbits here look great. Man, the problem witht this is the actual animation, and the voice of Skeletor the Lord of the Nazgûl XD
Seriously, this is so much better than the movei PJ made considering the funds and technology...it's not even funny...
innocenceprovesnaugh 3 years ago
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whoa dude lol calm down. Your talking as if ur on crack or something lol
azn3000 3 years ago
Blarg...
Sorry, but that's somehting I'm pretty intense about (as though you didn't notice ;D)...some people rant about Superman, I'm a Gandalf fan...
innocenceprovesnaugh 3 years ago
The rign was made in the forged of Mt Doom? we know in advance a ring forged on Mt. Doom isn't a good thing.
Jackalman99 4 years ago
wonderful animation, way better than the other animated TLOTR movie...
k1sch 4 years ago 5
What a sam!
radebe83 4 years ago
I have all three of these movies and it's not like that. It's more the rings fault that he thinks like that.
Kattygrl17 4 years ago
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Samwise needs to step off and know his role. He is a mere servant and not fit to lick the boots of the Baggins family. Frodo should've pushed him in Mount Doom along with Gollum. His nose is obnoxiously big.
fvitchard 4 years ago
What boots? They walk around barefoot!
Jgaldragon 4 years ago
Come on, man, Sam is awesome. Obviously, this was yet another part raped by PJ, but in the actual book he's way cool. If I ever will be a Hobbit...weell, I'd be Merry. But otherwise, I'd totally be...Gollum XD
Furthermore, this is the Ring talking (or imagining, or whatever), not our humble little big-nosed Hobbit.
innocenceprovesnaugh 3 years ago
Yeah, because it's not just a bunch of made-up nonsensical bullshit!
Alfrunk 4 years ago
It's sad that they didn't have more of this conflict in the movie, with Sam.
domthefreedom 4 years ago 2
It is too bad that this scene, this conflict between Sam and the Ring was not filmed in PJ'S version of THE RETURN OF THE KING. I guess Jackson decided he didn't want that scene filmed. Still it would've been interesting to see Sean Astin as Samwise the Strong.
67nairb 4 years ago 3
No, instead he makes Frodo turn against Sam because that was so much better "rolls eyes".
I just have to wonder what PJ was thinking during some scenes, though the movies on the whole were pretty darned good.
frodowise 4 years ago 2
Fododwise was this message you posted your reply to me?
67nairb 4 years ago
i want to see the whole movie xO
Mikita12131323213 4 years ago
Whoa! I just got the chills!
rosario508 4 years ago
Sam was on acid.
omglikeWOAH2 4 years ago
I like all the Bearer of ring songs in this movie
burningrage210 5 years ago
yeah that would be cool (heavy metal)
GJFGHJG 5 years ago
god i miss this video, i wish i knew where i can find it on DVD. Anyone know of a place like walmart, suncoast video or anywhere else that has the original cartoon of lord of the rings? If you know of a place, PM me ^_^ thanks
NeoVegeta67 5 years ago
It's already available on dvd.
67nairb 4 years ago
The bearer of the ring, the wearer of the ring
stands on the very brink of fate
staring into eyes of darkness and despair
that rise and shrink with hate
kingimi2imz 5 years ago
wow look at all the collors ^^;; this proves my tape is a little warn out. aaand the sound isn't tinny. thanks alot for posting these.
Scarrlette 5 years ago
The bearer of the ring, the wearer of the ring. ♪
HRVDNT 5 years ago
The bearer of the ring, the wearer of the ring. ♪
HRVDNT 5 years ago 3
I haven't seen this movie since I was young. I now want to see the entire video.
KatherineBurnett 5 years ago
Roddy McDowell will always be my favorite as Samwise Gamgee. Wouldn't it be cool if someone did a heavy metal version of "Bearer of the Ring"?
turbotj 5 years ago
Lemmiwinks came to the stomaaachaa....wait nevermind.
TehPogo 5 years ago
this was such a powerful scene. Thanks for this.
thorneosgard 5 years ago 4