Sheldrake is also reprising the 'Peak Experiences' approach of Maslow who did a bunch of good psychology on the topic.
Another guy who has interesting things on this is David Hufford. Peak experiences are not the only anomalous experiences that are widespread and he has very good ways of looking at it theoretically. Google "Visionary Spiritual Experiences and Cognitive Aspects of Spiritual Transformation". My blog has more. Happy Visionary New Year to all!
Hey guys, CHECK OUT MY CHANNEL and see my videos because they have the link. See...when I worked for govnerment, we had to read a step-by-step technique book on developing mind abilities...seriously. It has now been posted online, which really shocked me when I stumbled across it. I think you guys should know about it. The methods are quite effective.
I think this scientist would be more than interested to see my first uploaded video "Witness a miracle.". I swear the footage is absolutely genuine. It is best seen full screen and the key moment to pay attention would be as soon as the film comes into focus. I have personal evidence which may support his theories. If it hadn't had this first had evidence I may doubt it my self, but I swear on all that is good and innocent in this world that it is true. This is only one small example of many.
All these comments reaffirm my faith that the land of the living is far more interesting than the realm of eternity. I've felt, with all my senses, the boundaries of those two distinct places dissolve, and I think that's what any mystical feeling is about. It's this flirtation with a foreground imbued with the divine. Dualities appear, disappear, and reappear. Makes me think that God loves playing all kinds of games. And you best be not writing of my qualia jus yet! I ain't too crazy!
hashishin im sorry but u r wronge, try to think about wht u said,
and plz...look for a real truth by faith and proof, u will find the truth if u used these words faith and proof u will find the evolution is completely wronge.
Why is it that the most uneducated feel such a liberty in taking comments entirely out of context and never really grasp critical thinking? Sheldrake 'is a loon.
Sheldrake is correct. Empiricism has taken away our awe, our sense of wonder and reverence for the unseen. The result is that we now celebrate the crass, the titillating and the hedonistic pleasures that take away our humanity. YES!-I totally agree!
Once I make a walk in the wood and I discovered a place that was full of "magic mushrooms", like a small wood in the wood, a microcosm in a macrocosm. (Only for the protocol, I never consumed any drug or "natural substance" like Psilocybin).
During the night I got a very vivid dream: huge ants was on my bed and bite me, the pain was real and waked me up. Then I wondered if there is a relation between ants and Psilocybin. In fact this substance is contained in ants as pheromones. Collective Mind!
I don't think we need postmodernism anymore than we need modernism. We need the kind of scientific method that regards all kinds of inquiry as fallible, because it effectually transcends all kinds of duality (mind-matter split) for which there is no evidence. My view is a homage to the great American thinker Charles Sanders Peirce. Both he, William James and Alfred Russel Wallace should be of interest to people interested in Rupert Sheldrake.
It might be worthwhile to examine the source of the deep division between Empiricists en Mysticists i.e. Science and Religion i.e. Theïsm and Atheism. Because when I look closely, and draw the strange conlusion that both kan coexist, because they do not enter each others realm. It is mainly the people that use either system to gain power over others that causes the struggle. Hence the totally useless and confusing polemics on Dawkin's fairy tale. It's not about God, it's about Power.
@Drontenpeel i don't think dawkins is half as evil as hitchens , at least dawkins is an actual scientist. Hitchens is a professional cynic. or like you mentioned he specializes in polemics. oh well. I like anything that causes me to think. So naturally I enjoy watching hitchens, dawkins and sheldrake.
@explosivedoubt I wonder if using polemics as a means for gaining understanding or knowledge is very effective. To a certain level it is funny to watch people dispute over things they can never understand fully, but after a while it gets a bit annoying. It's like little children on the playground battling over the question wether a kiss can make a woman pregnant or not. Sharing views in humble respect for Reality tends to be more fulfilling. Although I wonder if that brings truth any closer....
@Drontenpeel Your a joke, Evolution is an obvious fact if you spend half an hour looking at the evidence with an open mind.
Religion keeps drawing lines in the sand saying that science is unable to cross them yet science keeps pushing onwards, religions are the fairy tales.
@Hashishin13 It's always good to make people laugh. Anyway, if you had spent some more time on my comment you might have seen that I don't dispute wether evolution is an obvious fact or not. I merely gave an opinion on scope: empirical science only seems to describe, and this with limited means. It is'nt able to explain why, it can only explain how to a certain extent. Religion, esoterism, spirituality look at reality from a different perspective, which can't be reached by empirical science.
@Hashishin13 Your attitude is not very scientific, if I might say so. "that's obvious" is the Mantra of dogmatic people, which is the opposite of having an open mind. These days it takes an open mind to accept mystical experience as such. I am not to keen on either religion or science in their present state of behaviour. Both seem to be drawing lines that are in reality blurs. That's the point I tried to make almost a year ago. Anyway, I am glad I seem to provoke response ;-)
@Drontenpeel "that's obvious" isn't a quote of mine for starters.
Everything changes over time, why wouldn't genetics? What is the difference between two animal species? DIFFERENT GENETICS. Take the half an hour I suggested and go look at evolution from people who understand it. If they are arguing against it they are dogamtically close minded, because the evidence is clear.
Trying to put science on the same level as religion is laughable judge a tree by its fruit.
@Hashishin13 "Your a joke, Evolution is an obvious fact if you spend half an hour looking at the evidence with an open mind", I see the word "Obvious", but if I am mistaken, I apologize. Anything is possible, I don't deny the possibility of evolution. Science is more than a bunch of mechanics, religion is more than a bunch of cross dressers claiming truths they cannot claim. Religion/mysticism offer a view that can put science in another light. Please try to actually read what I am saying.
Sheldrake is correct. Empiricism has taken away our awe, our sense of wonder and reverence for the unseen. The result is that we now celebrate the crass, the titillating and the hedonistic pleasures that take away our humanity.
@winstono75 If you can't think it then how can it be a real thing? If you can think it it can be conceptualized.
Its also important to note that mystics have been shutting down science every chance thye get, scientists welcome anything relevant mystics have to say, it just so happens they don't have anything worth listening to.
Science supports and encourages free enquiry, mystics attack it.
@Hashishin13 You see that conflict between the mystic and the scientific worldview is unavoidable when you can't even imagine awareness without thought. Thinking by its very nature distorts reality. Mystics understand where scientists are coming from, having first subscribed to the scientific worldview like everyone in this society. Scientists simply don't understand mysticism, not having had any such experience themselves.
@Hashishin13 Key words are "Empiricism" and "celebrate." I don't think anyone could argue with the importance of science. Sheldrake is, after all, a scientist. But he is not an Empiricist. Scientists like Bernard Haisch and Paul Davies allow for the unseen or unmeasurable. I don't know why anyone should feel threatened by a convergence of science and mysticism. They are not mutually exclusive.
@dknightnikifor I don't either, and your wrong about Sheldrake being anti-empirical, on the contrary he has spent most of his time gathering EMPIRICAL data to back up his claims. Empiricism means verifiable and external to the individual. Mystics claim that somehow we can have something that exists external to us but also can't be verified. This is where mysticism is horribly wrong.
@Hashishin13 Oh, for heaven's sake. "Empirical" refers to a methodology. "Empiricist" refers to a philosophy. But, I'll concede. You're right. Nothing exists external to us. If you can't measure it, it ain't here. I'm not going to argue with you. But I'm also not going to agree. I think I'll go weigh myself to confirm that I exist.
@dknightnikifor So your saying that you can know "weight" without a scale? Weight isn't what verifies your existence, I never said or implied such a thing. What I DID say is that if there is no evidence for something, say GOD, then it doesn't exist. Evidence, the objective empirical world, is measured subjectively. You know "you" exist from your senses telling "you" about the outside world.
Would there be a "you" distinct from everything else if you had no senses?
@dknightnikifor I think that it (i.e. the question of whether a modern scientific view of the world takes away some kind of wonder) is in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I think the current modern view of the world is magnificent; see e.g. Carl Sagan's Cosmos series. And also our ability to understand how the world works, that is magnificent too. Choosing to (or wishing to) not understand and learn about the world, in order to preserve some wonder, seems very backward. That's my opinion.
@0debug@0debug Oh, I agree with you completely. I think it's our duty to try to understand and to learn about the world. I just think that we shouldn't reject the mystical and mysterious simply because we can't explain it.
Sheldrake is also reprising the 'Peak Experiences' approach of Maslow who did a bunch of good psychology on the topic.
Another guy who has interesting things on this is David Hufford. Peak experiences are not the only anomalous experiences that are widespread and he has very good ways of looking at it theoretically. Google "Visionary Spiritual Experiences and Cognitive Aspects of Spiritual Transformation". My blog has more. Happy Visionary New Year to all!
fourplusseven 1 month ago
Hey guys, CHECK OUT MY CHANNEL and see my videos because they have the link. See...when I worked for govnerment, we had to read a step-by-step technique book on developing mind abilities...seriously. It has now been posted online, which really shocked me when I stumbled across it. I think you guys should know about it. The methods are quite effective.
JAPI616 2 months ago
I think this scientist would be more than interested to see my first uploaded video "Witness a miracle.". I swear the footage is absolutely genuine. It is best seen full screen and the key moment to pay attention would be as soon as the film comes into focus. I have personal evidence which may support his theories. If it hadn't had this first had evidence I may doubt it my self, but I swear on all that is good and innocent in this world that it is true. This is only one small example of many.
veracityfilms 4 months ago
All these comments reaffirm my faith that the land of the living is far more interesting than the realm of eternity. I've felt, with all my senses, the boundaries of those two distinct places dissolve, and I think that's what any mystical feeling is about. It's this flirtation with a foreground imbued with the divine. Dualities appear, disappear, and reappear. Makes me think that God loves playing all kinds of games. And you best be not writing of my qualia jus yet! I ain't too crazy!
colonelsquid 6 months ago
The books piled on the TV monitors make it official Science :)
htomerif 6 months ago
hashishin im sorry but u r wronge, try to think about wht u said,
and plz...look for a real truth by faith and proof, u will find the truth if u used these words faith and proof u will find the evolution is completely wronge.
abadi0abadi 6 months ago
Why is it that the most uneducated feel such a liberty in taking comments entirely out of context and never really grasp critical thinking? Sheldrake 'is a loon.
TheSkepticUn 8 months ago
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Sheldrake is correct. Empiricism has taken away our awe, our sense of wonder and reverence for the unseen. The result is that we now celebrate the crass, the titillating and the hedonistic pleasures that take away our humanity. YES!-I totally agree!
mikie8865 9 months ago
Once I make a walk in the wood and I discovered a place that was full of "magic mushrooms", like a small wood in the wood, a microcosm in a macrocosm. (Only for the protocol, I never consumed any drug or "natural substance" like Psilocybin).
During the night I got a very vivid dream: huge ants was on my bed and bite me, the pain was real and waked me up. Then I wondered if there is a relation between ants and Psilocybin. In fact this substance is contained in ants as pheromones. Collective Mind!
LastDaysPictures 1 year ago
I don't think we need postmodernism anymore than we need modernism. We need the kind of scientific method that regards all kinds of inquiry as fallible, because it effectually transcends all kinds of duality (mind-matter split) for which there is no evidence. My view is a homage to the great American thinker Charles Sanders Peirce. Both he, William James and Alfred Russel Wallace should be of interest to people interested in Rupert Sheldrake.
RSFO 1 year ago
It might be worthwhile to examine the source of the deep division between Empiricists en Mysticists i.e. Science and Religion i.e. Theïsm and Atheism. Because when I look closely, and draw the strange conlusion that both kan coexist, because they do not enter each others realm. It is mainly the people that use either system to gain power over others that causes the struggle. Hence the totally useless and confusing polemics on Dawkin's fairy tale. It's not about God, it's about Power.
Drontenpeel 1 year ago
@Drontenpeel i don't think dawkins is half as evil as hitchens , at least dawkins is an actual scientist. Hitchens is a professional cynic. or like you mentioned he specializes in polemics. oh well. I like anything that causes me to think. So naturally I enjoy watching hitchens, dawkins and sheldrake.
explosivedoubt 1 year ago
@explosivedoubt I wonder if using polemics as a means for gaining understanding or knowledge is very effective. To a certain level it is funny to watch people dispute over things they can never understand fully, but after a while it gets a bit annoying. It's like little children on the playground battling over the question wether a kiss can make a woman pregnant or not. Sharing views in humble respect for Reality tends to be more fulfilling. Although I wonder if that brings truth any closer....
Drontenpeel 1 year ago
@Drontenpeel Your a joke, Evolution is an obvious fact if you spend half an hour looking at the evidence with an open mind.
Religion keeps drawing lines in the sand saying that science is unable to cross them yet science keeps pushing onwards, religions are the fairy tales.
Hashishin13 8 months ago
@Hashishin13 It's always good to make people laugh. Anyway, if you had spent some more time on my comment you might have seen that I don't dispute wether evolution is an obvious fact or not. I merely gave an opinion on scope: empirical science only seems to describe, and this with limited means. It is'nt able to explain why, it can only explain how to a certain extent. Religion, esoterism, spirituality look at reality from a different perspective, which can't be reached by empirical science.
Drontenpeel 8 months ago
@Hashishin13 Your attitude is not very scientific, if I might say so. "that's obvious" is the Mantra of dogmatic people, which is the opposite of having an open mind. These days it takes an open mind to accept mystical experience as such. I am not to keen on either religion or science in their present state of behaviour. Both seem to be drawing lines that are in reality blurs. That's the point I tried to make almost a year ago. Anyway, I am glad I seem to provoke response ;-)
Drontenpeel 7 months ago
@Drontenpeel "that's obvious" isn't a quote of mine for starters.
Everything changes over time, why wouldn't genetics? What is the difference between two animal species? DIFFERENT GENETICS. Take the half an hour I suggested and go look at evolution from people who understand it. If they are arguing against it they are dogamtically close minded, because the evidence is clear.
Trying to put science on the same level as religion is laughable judge a tree by its fruit.
Hashishin13 7 months ago
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Drontenpeel 7 months ago
@Hashishin13 "Your a joke, Evolution is an obvious fact if you spend half an hour looking at the evidence with an open mind", I see the word "Obvious", but if I am mistaken, I apologize. Anything is possible, I don't deny the possibility of evolution. Science is more than a bunch of mechanics, religion is more than a bunch of cross dressers claiming truths they cannot claim. Religion/mysticism offer a view that can put science in another light. Please try to actually read what I am saying.
Drontenpeel 7 months ago
Odd. Two people on the planet comment on Sheldrake's "Mystical" video. Both are Canadian. Perhaps there's a uniquely Canadian morphic field.
DeborahYarnmarket 2 years ago 3
@DeborahYarnmarket im peruvian and i comment it too :)
samuelsixvids 7 months ago
Sheldrake is correct. Empiricism has taken away our awe, our sense of wonder and reverence for the unseen. The result is that we now celebrate the crass, the titillating and the hedonistic pleasures that take away our humanity.
dknightnikifor 2 years ago 17
@dknightnikifor Well said.
Numboss 2 years ago
I think your conclusion is laughable and your opinion on Empiricism is extremely subjective.
I have learned a lot about science and still wonder at all the marvelous facts it has brought us.
Hashishin13 2 years ago
@Hashishin13 Science marvels at the fact it produces while mystics marvel at reality itself.
winstono75 8 months ago
@winstono75 Nice quip I would correct it though:
Mystics marvel at reality.
Scientists marvel at reality also, in fact they love it so much they study and explain it.
Then mystics attack the scientists for making mysticism look dumb.
Hashishin13 8 months ago
@Hashishin13 Mystics marvel at the ignorance of scientists who reduce reality to thought concepts.
winstono75 8 months ago
@winstono75 If you can't think it then how can it be a real thing? If you can think it it can be conceptualized.
Its also important to note that mystics have been shutting down science every chance thye get, scientists welcome anything relevant mystics have to say, it just so happens they don't have anything worth listening to.
Science supports and encourages free enquiry, mystics attack it.
Hashishin13 8 months ago
@Hashishin13 You see that conflict between the mystic and the scientific worldview is unavoidable when you can't even imagine awareness without thought. Thinking by its very nature distorts reality. Mystics understand where scientists are coming from, having first subscribed to the scientific worldview like everyone in this society. Scientists simply don't understand mysticism, not having had any such experience themselves.
winstono75 8 months ago
@winstono75 If you can "experience" something then you can explain or at least describe it. If you can't then IT WAS NOTHING.
Hashishin13 8 months ago
@Hashishin13 There are plenty of descriptions of mystical experience. But you can't capture in thought what goes beyond it.
winstono75 8 months ago
@dknightnikifor yea because "Planet Earth" is nothing but tits and ass, no awe inspiring scenery or majestic animals, its all just booze and bitches.
Hashishin13 8 months ago
@Hashishin13 Key words are "Empiricism" and "celebrate." I don't think anyone could argue with the importance of science. Sheldrake is, after all, a scientist. But he is not an Empiricist. Scientists like Bernard Haisch and Paul Davies allow for the unseen or unmeasurable. I don't know why anyone should feel threatened by a convergence of science and mysticism. They are not mutually exclusive.
dknightnikifor 8 months ago
@dknightnikifor I don't either, and your wrong about Sheldrake being anti-empirical, on the contrary he has spent most of his time gathering EMPIRICAL data to back up his claims. Empiricism means verifiable and external to the individual. Mystics claim that somehow we can have something that exists external to us but also can't be verified. This is where mysticism is horribly wrong.
Hashishin13 8 months ago
@Hashishin13 Oh, for heaven's sake. "Empirical" refers to a methodology. "Empiricist" refers to a philosophy. But, I'll concede. You're right. Nothing exists external to us. If you can't measure it, it ain't here. I'm not going to argue with you. But I'm also not going to agree. I think I'll go weigh myself to confirm that I exist.
dknightnikifor 8 months ago
@dknightnikifor So your saying that you can know "weight" without a scale? Weight isn't what verifies your existence, I never said or implied such a thing. What I DID say is that if there is no evidence for something, say GOD, then it doesn't exist. Evidence, the objective empirical world, is measured subjectively. You know "you" exist from your senses telling "you" about the outside world.
Would there be a "you" distinct from everything else if you had no senses?
Hashishin13 8 months ago
@dknightnikifor I think that it (i.e. the question of whether a modern scientific view of the world takes away some kind of wonder) is in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I think the current modern view of the world is magnificent; see e.g. Carl Sagan's Cosmos series. And also our ability to understand how the world works, that is magnificent too. Choosing to (or wishing to) not understand and learn about the world, in order to preserve some wonder, seems very backward. That's my opinion.
0debug 6 months ago
@0debug @0debug Oh, I agree with you completely. I think it's our duty to try to understand and to learn about the world. I just think that we shouldn't reject the mystical and mysterious simply because we can't explain it.
dknightnikifor 6 months ago