Edwin Black : IBM and the Holocaust

[illiadsdotcom]

I believe it was "reparations" and "extent"... not "preparations" and "extend". Sorry to be that guy but this is one time when the grammar actually matters.

[ds28994]

What's changed?..Who makes Bio-chemical bombs? Smart bombs? Who makes the bullets a never ending constant supply!?! Who works for these corporations? From the cleaner to the secretary? Who funds them? Which Banksters? The same banksters we all bank with? So what has changed?

[jamsim67]

There is nothing wrong with capitalism ... worshiping money, now that's another story.

[larkforsure]

Complaint with IBM China CSR on Centenial

Please Google:

Tragedy of Labor Rights Repression in IBM China

[BLUEHIPPO47]

but Glenn Beck said that it was evil socialists that were behind the Holocaust..and all other evils in the world..surely nice capitalists couldn't be so vile as this..

[granddad2002]

In the book, he wrote...'how did they get the names..' here, it was... a technological alliance...? I guess IBM isn't going to be issuing 'reparation checks' to Israel soon? In the book, IBM's government contracts were for census tabulation... and this was supposedly critical in the 'Final Solution'? The idea that Dehomag couldn't program its machines without IBM in the United States having to 'round table' the problem is absurd. Germany was light-years ahead in cryptography. Lists are easy.

[onthemoney90]

@granddad2002 U have interesting theories. But the Nazis couldn't properly make paper that the machines used & they also tried different papers. They couldn't make the ink OR keep the machines working. Reason; IBM sold the machines cheaply but made a fortune on maintenance, supplies, and programming the machines.

[bozzeed]

what nonsence, hitler did not want to map the jewish population, hitler SENT THEM TO PALESTINE!!

[SevenLeggedWalrus]

The Bush family among other people funded Hitler. How do people think he created his war machine with all the restrictions put in place by the Treaty of Versailles. It

[LuckyGreen123]

may all the Jews RIP

[hagalruno]

Not only IBM.

Even Jews bisnessmen traded with the nazi.

Well I suppose they payd cash and the monney don't stink !

The USA State traded with Cosa nostra (the mafia from Sicile) and associed with gangsters (for exemple Lucki luciano) because he was useful to fight communiste in Italien during the war....

[Demoist]

There isnt any problem with IBM helping them...

So what? They gave them machines to record data! Stop the press! The company is doing what its meant to.

IBM was doing it right, Dealing with anyone as if there was peace.

[mountainstandardtime]

@Demoist The Nazis started WWII and along with the rest of the Axis killed millions. If you can not see the problem with this then you must have a serious mental disorder.

[Morningwhispers]

This was created in my attempt to honor the Holocaust Survivors as well as many survivors of war and hardships in our world & the children whom are bullied that we must make the difference we must be the change ... honoring one another and loving our planet and doing good by it ,,

[Morningwhispers]

Please see my art titled Holocaust Survivors I have done as a Tribute to them under my name thanks I love all races all religions all people and all their differences



[zezt]

@Morningwhispers I love you :)

[Morningwhispers]

@zezt thanks thats nice of u to say

[mespasticpunk]

@Morningwhispers He is a putz

[zapata476]

Well, when push comes to shove, some human beings shine, and others, like you only show the darkest side of humanity. There is only one way to qualify you, and that is to say you are a real asshole.

[WytZox1]

"Biblical Facts" is a contradiction in terms AKA an oxymoron.

[WytZox1]

IBM sold equipment to Nazi Germany having no idea how it would be used so now muckraker Edwin Black is claiming IBM contributed to the holocaust. OMG, this creep will do anything to sell a book. Coca Cola is sure lucky there was never a photo of Hitler with a Coke™ bottle or Edwin Black would probably also be claiming Coca Cola contributed to the holocaust.

[zezt]

@WytZox1 OH the POOR innocent dears!!! Tell me now, when they found out the terrible truth did they give their evil-made money they raked in back to the Holocaust survivors and their families...?

[marvalden]

@zezt Why would they give money earned from doing business with Germans to the Jews? Business is business, just ask the many Jews and zionists who also did business with the Germans during this same period.

Awe...either you were ignorant of this long well known fact, or you chose to apply a double standard for the Jews.

[zezt]

@marvalden dont you mean the fukin RICH or are you saying Jews made the Nazi propaganda about themselves being rats?! etc?

[BillSalem]

@WytZox1 Tear the blinders from your eyes. The entire point is that IBM knew precisely what was going on the whole time. Capitalism, itself, is totally immoral by its very nature. If you deny that, then you are stupid as well as blinded by greed. So you make Edwin Black your enemy. Whereas the true enemy is IBM. Hitler held a fatal attraction for morbidly conservative interests in America. Prescott Bush was so in love with Hitler he sank millions into RG Farben, Hitler's weapons maker.

[marvalden]

@BillSalem It was not that Bush was in love with Hitler, he was in love with the money that doing business with a powerful government brought to him.

Many businesses, including zionist owned and Jewish owned, did business with the Nazis.

[BillSalem]

@marvalden You wrote: "not that Bush...Hitler, he was in love with the money that doing business with a powerful government brought to him."

Apparently you missed tone of irony in which I couched my words. Greed often appears as love. There is little doubt in my mind that Prescott Bush loved money far more than his own family. Wealth is nothing if not corrupting. And Americans, these days, are so eager to be corrupted. In my youth, people had integrity, a sense of honor. No More!

[WytZox1]

No Blinders or Stupidity here! I respect the fine humanitarian efforts of Black's research and his desire for worldwide justice. However, I disagree with some of his opinions. Even respected history books sometimes err in explaining the past and denying that is true ignorance. If you see Capitalism as immoral, what do U suggest is the alternative; communism? BTW, like Black, i'm also the child of holocaust survivors.

[BillSalem]

@WytZox1 As a Democratic Socialist, and a half step from anarchist, I've been forced by Capitalists to curse Capitalism. And now will do everything in my power to subvert it. You think the horrific economic fraud perpetrated by Wall Street banksters, a mere 3 yrs ago, (the "smartest guys in the room"!) have a shred of integrity? Not only are they criminally fraudulent every last one, but the real crime is not one executive went to jail. That's corruption of the Federal DOJ beyond imagining.

[WytZox1]

@BillSalem AHA! Now I get it ...☺

[redrik09]

( John Harris - It's an illusion 2 Part 5/9 )

Devon &Cornwall Police Force are owned by a company Sothwest 1 Ltd ... Who's parent company is......IBM

[movement26]

The all-seeing eye of horus......pagan symbolism in the corporate empire.

[AlienZygote010]

@movement26 - no, it really stands for the eye that they use to watch you back from yout television. that is right. even the tin foil lining on your walls can no longer protect you

[lokingloking]

what people are able to do for mony....bloody capitalism!

[vin889915gz]

The nazis were pig whores but I think that a tool of them should not be blamed, only the people should be blamed. The true question we need to ask is how many people knew and turned a blind eye? Deniers are just dip sh_ts though and should be ignored.

[bocaratonrealty]

This is really a horrible thing. What's worse is if you read the comments by the Holocaust deniers below. They mention Rabbi Wolpe who referred (I think) to the exodus as possibly being a myth used to kind of perpetuate Jewish Unity. He never meant it to be a tool of Holocaust deniers of which we have present contemporary evidence and still living peopleThis is really disgusting.

Evelyn and Marty

[DaveyC48]

To atheistiraqVet,

 The comments appeared on my computer which is in a country which does uphold this law, so is it up to google to censor these comments and is google breaking the law by broadcasting them?

[xgreciandelightx]

@DaveyC48 While I'm not a holocaust "denier", I find your post completely ridiculous. If it's so clear that the holocaust happened, what need do you feel to push to censor them? It's an opinion. If we all start censoring each other because we don't like what others have to say, things can get out of hand rather quicklu. What if Holocaust denial were the mainstream and people called for your opinion to be censored?

[DaveyC48]

TO HappenedNever,

In case you don't know, denying the Holocaust took place is a crime. Your comments fall into that category so by definition you are breaking the law.

[HappenedNever]

to comprehend the phony WW2 holocaust claims one must first comprehend the phony biblical "Exodus" story. Judaism exists only because of the many phony atrocity hoaxes that the jewish planners have invented and spread such as The Exodus, Fall of Jerusalem and The Holocaust. Read online the recent LA Times featured article "Doubting The Story Of The Exodus" in which even prestigious jews such as rabbi David Wolpe and professor Ze'ev Herzog admitted that The Exodus story was only a jewish fantasy

[DaveyC48]

Hi HappenedNever, in case you dont know, denying the holocaust took place is against the law. Your comments fall into that category and so you are breaking the law.

[MrNasama]

The exodus has a historical background. TheHebrews were part of the Hyksos invasion of the Nile delta which lasted over two centuries.;They were overthrown by the Pharaoh Ahmose and they withdrew back to Canaan. I think this is the basis for the exodus. All the stories of the "unholy" writ were a product of fertile imagination.

[2skullscrushing]

@HappenedNever you should study jebel el lawz. it backs up the exodus story with many biblical facts.but you wont. because the khazar jews wove thier fake history for people like you that dont bother seeking real truth, but whatever your favorite person tells you is truth.ron wyatt shows the place they crossed at, and as the bible states, there is a pillar on the other side left by moses. and if you studied history, you would know all europeans came from the israelites, which were several races.

[onthemoney90]

Read Edwin Blacks book 'IBM and the Holocaust'. You'll be shocked and horrified. A small example: IBM had 300 of it's trained technicians working in a location in Nazi Germany. The Germans tried to duplicate the hollerith cards, the machines and the programming several times. They couldn't. Only IBM could make it work. All the numbers on the arms of the concentration camp prisoners - were IBM numbers!!!

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[MultipleInches]

Salomon Morel was a jew who ran the Zgoda death camp in Poland where thousands of Poles and Germans were tortured and murdered in 1945. When communism fell apart in 1989 the murderer Morel fled to Israel when his terrible crimes against humanity were being investigated. Israel then rejected numerous requests over 15 years by Poland to have Morel extradited so that refusal makes the entire jewish state of Israel guilty of WWII-era crimes against humanity.

[johndoe121213]

ruffless you set double standards.other people who colaborated like leni riefenstal and speer and others were considered scum .Ibm did much worse but you consider them okay. pretty crazy

[johndoe121213]

how to abolish war? dont fight for what you believe,instead abstain from what is evil.

[ethogenic]

yea and now IBM is parent company of VeriChip corporation (awaiting name change after new acquisition) who makes the HUMAN implantable RFID chip to track and record all people's movements and information. isnt there something about those who dont learn from history are doomed to repeat it? hmm...

[firstlk420]

IBM is guilty. WHy? They still are witholding 90% of their documents pertaing to Nazi Germany. It must be because its nothing important or incriminating.

[RuflessRecords]

Also, another thing Black never mentions is that the Nazi scum made the Jews report and give their information. Then this information was put on cards. They could have used any company they wanted to file this info, IBM did not make Jews report and take down their names and addresses, the Nazis did. And the Nazis rounded them up when it came time to kill, not IBM's subsidiary. And the Nazis killed them. Blaming IBM is totally misplaced anger, and lets the SS sadists off the hook.

[jkmarshall001]

No one is letting the Nazi scum off the hook. Yes, the Nazis did the deeds, but IBM was right there to ensure everything went as smoothly as possible. The ties are great and they bind tightly.

It seems as though you might rather that IBM were let off the hook. No?

[RuflessRecords]

Yes

[jkmarshall001]

I see. You are then an IBM apologist, ensuring that IBM is defended no matter what the evidence- presented here and elsewhere (if there is any).

To ignore evil is not be blameless. IBM did it then and you seem to be doing it now.

[KongaBongaMulu]

Rufless?the answer sounds like the answers of those who have been in nuremberg after that war...IBM was always involved in such,Thomas G.Watson like Henry Ford for exemples have been highly decorated by the nazis.. wars are always lucrative for those who like that kind of money.. Henry Ford..time to bring all those firms, aristocrats and bankers to justice before they kill us all with their ideas.

[RuflessRecords]

The people at Nuremberg, for the most part, deserved it. IBM didn't and doesn't.

[RuflessRecords]

Another obvious game Black pulls against American businesses is illustrated at 3:50...he tries to take relationships with Germany in the 30's pre-Holocaust, when Hitler was just another dictator, of which the world had many at the time, and then try to act like this friendliness before the Holocaust began somehow makes a business owner responsible for something later on. He never proves anyone in the US IBM knew Jews were being killed using IBM cards.

[Palfium66]

Try actually reading the book. IBM had full and complete knowledge of the uses their machines were being put. After all, the sorting routines had to be custom designed by IBM technicians for the purposes of the customer. Their are reams of IBM correspondence discussing how to deny involvement.

IBM continued business after Kristallnacht, when no one could deny the intentions of the Nazis. The Auschwitz tattoo began as a number corresponding to the Hollerith system. IBM organised the Holocaust.

[RuflessRecords]

IBM did not organize the Holocaust, but the Nazis did choose their subsidiary for  filing purposes. The subsidiary had nothing to do with rounding up Jews or exterminating them. The Nazis made Jews report their status, and had their information entered into the subsidiary's system, and then later the Nazis exterminated them. Attacking the company whose file system the Nazis used is completely misplaced anger, but typical of anti-business Marxist/liberal derangement. Nazis escape the blame.

[Palfium66]

Its so obvious that you haven't read this book, and are making accusations with no real knowledge of IBM's role in Nazi Germany and later Nazi occupied Europe.

Without US based IBM technicians designing the sorting routines or supplying the cards the machines were useless.

IBM to this day refuse to open their Polish archive. Why? Their US archives are full of discussions on hiding their involvement in Nazi Germany from scrutiny.

Calling corporate responsibility Marxist is laughable.

[RuflessRecords]

Edwin Black lie #1 at 1:48..."the money all went to IBM". Actually the very anti-foreigner Nazis did not allow any foreign companies to take profits out of the country. Another common Black distortion is to claim that the Germany subsidiary of an American company was controlled by the American company during the war---which is false. He purposely uses the term IBM instead of the Germany subsidiary name to help his case...the German subsidiary was the one that did everything.

[Palfium66]

Again try reading the book. IBM created subsidiaries in every European country all controlled by the German firm. This enabled them to juggle loss to extract money from Nazi Germany despite their financial controls. IBM also established an HQ in Switzerland which enabled continued control during the war.

The German subsidiary was 90% owned by IBM, & its charter only allowed decisions by consent of the majority shareholder -IBM. It strikes me that you dont actually know what corporate means.

[RuflessRecords]

no shi'ite that the subsidiary was owned by IBM, as far as the vague generalities about "juggling loss" you'd have to produce financial records that they were at a loss every year in Germany during the Third Reich, and that no other German controlled countries had similar bans on foreign companies withdrawing profits.

[humanswin]

Awesome material friend.Another piece of the evil puzzle.

[MrNonStop77]

Nice vid...google IG Farben...that was the biggest 1...peace!