δεν ξέρω πως να ποστάρω βίντεο-απάντηση ο άσχετος και δεν ξερω γιατι τα γράμματα στο βιντεο βγαινουν ετσι θωλά... Ειναι παντως "αναγνώσιμα"... /watch?v=DxlP8KmMA4I
@Anarchogatos το βιντεο μου βγηκε $#@$#@$#@ και το κατεβασα! θα σου στειλω απαντησεις με mail...(αν και 3 χρονια μετα οπως διαπιστωνω μαλλον ασκοπο ειναι ...ευχαριστω παντως που-για αλλη μια φορα- ενεργοποιησες την σκέψη μου! ;-)
c. There are already companies working according to worker's self-management, e.g. Mondragon coperation. These institutions work fine even in the capitalist system. Managers will be democratically elected.
Q3a: it doesn't.
b) We do not always, during the Spanish rev. Anarchists were part of the gov't. The Dutch "Rapaille Party" was an anarchist political party and yet another dutch political party whose name I forgot had 1 seat in the parliament. Also, Provo.
Q2: AGAIN, the Spanish Revolution shows that at first the anarchist militias were non-hierarchical organized, later this was changed. Anarchist do not reject non-coercive hierarchies, i.e. elected bodies. In other words, ranks will be democratically chosen and when in battle these lieutenants, for example, will make decisions.
e) We, again, can examine this from the Spanish rev. namely syndicates and federations of syndicates will decide in councils what will be produced, etc.
and... anarchist principles were already enforced while the state existed, Spanish anarchists for example set up schools... In order to achieve political and class awareness we 'must' achieve cultural hegemony.
As for other ideologies: what does that matter? Of course the bourgeoisie will try to re-establish capitalism but little people would wish to work in an undemocratic workplace after they worked in a democratic one.
Q1a As a Social Democrat I speak here with inner joy and sincere admiration of my experience in Catalonia. The anti-capitalist transformation took place here without there having to resort to a dictatorship, these remarks, made by a Swiss Social Democrat about the anarchist collectivization of the means of production, were noted by Rudolf Rocker in his book The Tragedy of Spain, page 24.
Qc, in the years preceding the Spanish Rev. there indeed already was class awareness and...
h paragwgh file mou apofasizetai kai kathodigeitai apo to proletariato h thn omada kathe xwrou parageghs den xreiazetai enan afenth na koumantarei pros ofelos tou thn paragwgh dioti ena afentiko auto tha kanei. kata ti gnwmh yparxei sosialismos me tin yparksh kratous?
Η μαζική επανάσταση θα αρχίσει όταν ζητήσουμε το δημοψήφισμα μεταξύ αναρχίας και δημοκρατίας. Γιατί τότε θα έχουν πάρει την απόφαση ότι αναρχία δεν είναι ουτοπία αλλά μια πολιτική με νόμους . θα το κάνουν αυτό γιατί δεν γουσταρουν τον τραμπουκισμο και τα ΜΜΕ να φοβιζουν.
2 many ? u ask 2 answer here in short ! without awareness there is no way 2 realise Anarchy.Neither individual nor collective.The basic attitude of equivalence and empathy with the focus on equality of needs but differences in the strategies 2 fullfill those needs can bring a broader change.Honest Anarchists r spreading it from the grassroots into society.How the concrete problems will be solved is not predictable as history teaches us.
We want evrybody 2b strong so that no rulers r accepted.
if this is understood=No"anarchist"Patriarchs will tell people the"right"thinx 2do.Anarchy IS NOT a "left"or"right" ideology but an attitude that expresses itself in many ways.If there isn't enough tolerance = no Anarchy! as simple as that.That's why many Anarchists i know call it utopic but worth striving for.Anarchy needs patience.Violence does not work! some tried in the late 19th century and failed.Violent kids calling themselves Anarchists r Anomists in reality.Defense is another issue!
having purified the inner brainwashed mind then u can spread out contentment in your own live situations and be acceptible 4 others because u meet everyone on the same empathetic eyelevel.
Then we can make an outer change,like connecting with people in the same mindfulness process,pimping up DIYskills,clubs of defaitism,nonmonetary networks,Guerilla gardening,nonviolent communication and consensous group processes.States r never providing equivalence & empathy = no freedom!
Here are my answers. Other, more intelligent anarchists might have given better ones, but here's mine.
Q1: The CNT and Anarchist Catalonia answer all but the last of those questions.
f) The communes trade with each other.
Q2: a) Each militia column elects a single commander to guide the soldiers during battle. But ONLY during battle.
b) Who? If you're thinking of ppl like Durruti or Makhno, these were either just spokespersons or militia commanders, they had no authority over society
c & d) Regular and abrupt council meetings that attempt to reach for consensus decisions.
e) Because it is the onesided majority ruling over the minority. Do you trust the decision of a bunch of hicks over one intelligent person? When trying to reach for unanimous desicions, people with no knowledge at the particular topic at hand will naturally stay quiet and trust the consensus of the people who would have more expertise on what would be best.
Q5(?): a) Anarchism is direct results, communism is a pipe dream that'll never happen because those in power will do their best to stay in power.
b) What is the defintion of revolution other than a violent overthrow? Our way of reaching out to the people is either peaceful or very rowdy (but rarely murderous), but when the shit hits the fan and a true uprising is finally here, it's time to slay some motherfuckers.
@evilmick66 innocents? We're in the XXI century, political prisioners may exist rarely, but there are no more political prisioners in general, at least in the western world.
I don't remember mentioning "political prisoners," I was implying the falsey accused. But I'll take your challenge anyways:
The arab guy who got tortured in Gitmo just because of complications with his Visa and later turned out to NOT be a terrorist, doesn't count? We could also argue for hours about Mumia Abu-Jamal.
You are naive to think state-imposed freedom of speech/expression has become an infallible right. It's widely practiced but is at times ignored.
There is no perfect justice system. How can you not have any falsely accused?
what did I say? the exist, but rarely. I hate american imperialism, but america is a deeply fascist country. As a whole of social democracies, europe is still certainly not like it. that's why I doubt on anarchism too: a lot of youtube anarchs are american. Of course! It's a reaction.
The BNP has two seats in the European Parliamant, Sarkozy wants to ban burkas, Eastern Europe viciously persecutes Roma people to this day, Belarus is well.. Belarus, and I've seen plenty of racist comments between Scandinavians about arab immigration.
I don't know much else because I don't look into Europe's problems that often, but with enough research I'm sure I can come up with more.
No system anywhere is perfect or better. That's why they all must be done away with.
Btw, Anarchism is given much more respect and consideration in Europe than in America. Over here, we're just seen as a bunch of rebellious college kids. The majority of users on youtube are American, period.
e) en meroi exeis dikaio. O synxronos anarxikos (kai kommounistis kai genika aristeros) exei na anatrepsei dyo pragmata. Thn oikonomia ws exei kai thn koinonia ws exei. To oti oi anarxikoi exoun ena idiaitero kollima me koinonika zitimata einai gegonos. Ayto ofeilete kyrios sthn (en merh swsth kat eme) prosegkisi oti to vasiko pragma pou prepei na allakseis einai o anthropos.
Me to na xtypas astynomikous apla voithas ta media (na enas megalos exthros) na enisxisoun to hooliganiko sou profil sthn koinonia, pou thes den thes vlepei kai pisteuei oti leei h T.V.
b) Na mpoume sto koinovoulio na kanoume dialogo me poious? Den diafono oti mporei na einai ekei mesa 1-2 aksiologa atoma (kai oxi parapanw). Tha einai san na vgainoume sthn Tatiana na kanoume propaganda. g) Prosopika den ton aporiptw entelos.
3 a) den voithaei. sto mono pou isos tha voithaei einai mia atomiki ektonosi tou kathenos pou katevainei stous dromous. Alla (prosopika toulaxiston) eimai apoluta symfonos mazi sou. Den voithaei pouthena. O astynomos den einai o exthros. Apla ayton vriskeis mprosta sou otan eisai ston dromo. Yparxoun ena ekatomurrio alloi tropoi na xtupiseis to systima pou einai ena ekatomurrio fores pio apotelesmatiki.
Mhn apoklheis omos thn periptosh sto mellon na patame ena koupmi kai na mas erxete to radiofono sthn porta mas.
2 a) Den tha lamvanontai b) nai exeis dikaio. (milas gia kinimata kai oxi gia koinonies) g) apla o kathenas kanei thn douleia tou. den mporw na katalvw thn aporeia sou. o aytepagkeltos shmera pws mporei kai doulevei xwris kanenan na ton dieythinei? d) poios sou eipe oti den tha yparxei organotiki domh? kai h anarxia einai mia morfi organosis. e) giati einai mia morfi katapiesis.
Edw na prosthesw kati. Ws hlektronikos pou eimai mporw na sou pw oti polla (80% kai anw) apo ta pragmata pou ginontai xeirokinita sthn voiomixania mporoun pia na aytomatopoiithoun kai na paragonte eks oloklhrou apo mixanes. To synxrono kefalaio den exei ylopoihsei akoma aytes ths texnologika proigmenes morfes paragwghs giati tou symferei na doulevei to eksaxrono pakistanaki para na plirwsei gia ta nea mixanimata.
Gia einai eimai ilikrinis mazi sou egw dilwnw anarxokomounistis kathoti kai egw vriskw dyskolh thn synexhsh ths paragwghs ws exei xwris kapoion vasiko sxediasmo. Alla prepei na alveis yp opsin sou oti oi domes kai oi ypodomes ths paragwghs yparxoun idi kai ayto mporei na kanei thn efarmogh tous xwris kapoion kentriko sxediasmo pio eykolh. Episis mporei na efarmostoun texnikes tou kapitalismou gia na varometrithei h zitisi.
Twra gia ta pragmata pou ontos mas xriazontai... Nomizw oti oso anafora ta trofima ta pragmata einai ksekathara. Episis apla einai ta pragmata oso anafora vasikes ypiresies opos daskalous, naytikous, pilotous ktl. Profanws oso proxorame se pio texnokratika meri ths paragwghs ta pragmata ginontai pio periploka. Einai sxetika aplo (organotika) na xtiseis ena spiti alla einai periploko na ftiakseis enan ypologisti.
e) z) poly kalo erwtima. Kat arxhn prepei na laveis ypopshn oti polla apo ta proionta pou paragonte shmera einai praktika pantelos axrista kai ypiretoun mono kai mono ton katanalwtismo. Idika polles ypiresies den tha yparxoun se mia anarxiki koinonia (px logistes, pornes, stratiotikoi, trapezites, nomikoi ktl ktl). An paratiriseis ton synxrono kosmo tha deis oti aytoi oi tomeis einai pou xriazonte organosh.
1. a) kai b) Nai einai. Den tha yparxei antepanastasi. Ayto einai to noima thn anarchika organomenhs koinonias. An h idia h koinonia aporipsei aytou tou eidous thn organosh pavei na einai anarxikh. Prepei na katalaveis oti h anarxia einai tropos pou tha leitourgei h koinonia (kai h oikonmia ktl) kai oxi ena synolo anthropon pou tha ton epivaloun.
g) kata pasa pithanotita nai, an kai h koinonia exei apodeiksei oti mporei na allaksei para poly grigora...
Βρε λέω εγώ μαλακίες? Χεχε! Όχι ρε εσυ. Απλά είναι αρκετά αυτά που εχω να γράψω και θέλω κ τα συνδέσω με τον μαρξισμό-λενινισμό. Απλά δεν εχω πολύ χρόνο (όπως και έλλειψη φαντασίας ε μην είναι ένα βίντεο μόνο με γράμματα.. ) καιρός γαρ εγγύς..χεχε
Μεσω της ενισχυσης της αυτονομιας, αυτοοργανωσης συνδικατων γειτονιων και καθε οργανωμενης ομαδας ανθρωπων προς κομμουνιστικη δραση, με αναρχικη οργανωση και πρακτικη.
Δλδ συμβουλια γειτονιων, ομαδες ανθρωπων που ζουν στην ιδια γειτονια που συγκεντρωνονται συζητουν και αποφασιζουν για θεματα που τους αφορου.Ελαχιστα υπαρχουν.
... but its easier for people without a "class consience" to grow such feelings against police, especially if the police violence is a state (e.g. Greece).
-the murder of A.Grigoropoulos was the main thing that got ppl on the streets
-a wide variety of social groups were participating (students, teachers, parents, anarchist, left-wing parties etc) and the common point for all of those ppl was the hate against police.
In general, im with the "anti-cop" movement, cause police is the property and civic peace guardian, its not "just another job". I understand that its not the most important aspect when u deal with much bigger problems "
As for violence, i believe that is necessary, just because capitalists wont give up or re-deliver their property without it. I believe that violence is in the core of revolution.
The riot violence issue, (against police), is it self a HUGE topic, especially after the uprisings in Greece and France.
As for Greece, i believe that the uprising reflected that character because :
As for the questions (cause im getting off-topic):
In general, i think that just because someone is participating in some political events and calls himself an "Anarchist" (or whatever else) doesnt mean that he/she is totally out of the capitalistic system structures. People will have to "evolve themselves" side-by-side with revolutionary practices. As said, with no "recipes on how to make the perfect Revolution".
I would say (after reading all the 163 posts! in greek, english and greeklish), very nice topic. YT isnt really the place for such discusions, but nvm.
I think that Anarchy as ideology is devided as much as the left-wing and communist parties in Greece. That means a lot of different opinions, but mostly weak (as for numbers). I also agree that no revolution can be achieved "following recipes". Thatsmainly because of the different social and economical status of many different countries.
A lot of this shows that Anarchism is not possible without a Free Market.
I have always been confused to how anarchists (Except Market Anarchists, like myself) intened to stop people from practicing Capitailism. Without a State, if I want to practice Capitalism, NO ONE CAN STOP ME!
if you do practice capitalism, everyone can stop you, because you are utilizing a system that functions based on exploitation of labor, thus you are suppressing economic freedom of others.
Sure, if you use the definition of 'Corporatism' when you mean 'Capitalism.' Due to the confusion of the word, I stick to the term 'Free Market.' The Free Market is simply an unregulated market, allowing bussinesses to thrive an compete, making more jobs and more products of higher quality. Regulation is just a means by which the rich can enslave the poor, by limiting the options that the lower classes have.
είτε ειναι ματσό κομουνισταράς είτε ματσό αναρχικός που τα βάζει με το κράτος οπότε ναί διαφωνώ μαζί σου δεν υπάρχουν "must" και "political correct" εντός των "επαναστατικών" κομματιών.
an me to "xarakthristika" ennoeis "stadia" NAI diafwnw.οι αναρχικοι σε όλες της φάσεις του παγκοσμιου αναρχικού κινήματος για ένα ξεχωρίζουν (οργανωτικά εννοώ) , ΟΡΓΑΝΩΝΟνται στο σήμερα με τον τρόπο που θα οργανώνονταν και σε μια αναρχική κοινωνια για αυτό άλλωστε και βιώνουν τόσες αντιφάσεις.
Εννοοω καποια 'Must' που πρεπει να ακολουθει ενας αντικαπιταλιστης επαναστατης,τα οποια ειναι καθορισμενα απο τα χαρακτηριστικα του ιδιου του καπιταλισμου και του στοχου που θελουμε να επιτευξουμε (εμεις οι επαναστατες)
μην πέφτουμε ξανά στη παγίδα του επιστημονικού σοσιαλισμού. ΚΑΝΕΝΑ ΚΩΜΑ ΔΕΝ ΜΠΟΡΕΙ ΝΑ ΙΣΧΥΡΙΖΕΤΑΙ ΟΤΙ ΚΑΤΕΧΕΙ ΤΗΝ ΜΟΝΗ ΑΛΗΘΕΙΑ ΓΙΑ ΤΗΝ ΕΠΑΝΑΣΤΑΣΗ ΚΑΙ ΤΗΝ "ΑΛΛΗ" ΚΟΙΝΩΝΙΑ
τα όποια βιβλία έχουν γραφτεί από θεωρητικούς -και μη- δεν αποτελούν κάποιο είδος τσελεμεντε είναι απλώς θεωρητική βάση για τις δράσεις μας,ώστε να μην γίνουμε ακτιβιστές αλλά ούτε και άπραγοι φιλόλογοι..
Ξανα,η ΕΤΥΜΟΛΟΓΙΑ και η ΑΡΧΙΚΗ ΣΗΜΑΣΙΑ της λεξης δεν εχει κανενα αρνητικο,αλλα καταντησε να εχει λογω της κομμουνιστικης προπαγανδας(με την εννοια π ανεφερα) που εκαναν οι 'κακοι κομμουνισται'.
Αλλα ΔΕΝ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΑΥΤΟ ΤΟ ΘΕΜΑΑΑΑ, καταλαβες τι εννοω στο βιντεο.
Arxika, xreiazontai selides gia na apantithoun ta erwtimata. Den exw diavasei ti grapsate mexri twra. oute thelw na iperaspistw tin anarxia san ideologia. Thelw mono na kanw 1 sxolio. O kapitalismos einai exthros twn anarxikwn. Alla megaliteros exthros einai to kratos en genei. Giati oso iparxei kratos iparxei exousia k dinami k epomenws katapiesi k ekmetalleusi. O idios o Marx milise gia katargisi tou kratous epireazomenos apo ton anarxiko Proudhon (koino anarxias kommounismou).
Giati sou fainetai paradoxo? Prin ton kapitalismo den ipirxan kivernwntes kai kivernoumenoi? O kapitalismos sindeetai me to kratos opws to xeroume simera k stirizetai s'auto gia na epiviwsei. To kratos omws-san morfi exousias kai dinamis-mporei na iparxei (kai ipirxe)kai peran tou kapitalismou. Proswpika mou fainetai paradoxo to na katargisoume ton kapitalismo k na epitrepsoume opoiasdipote morfis exousias na iparxei (kati vevaia pou metafrazetai se politiki anisotita, profanws k se oikonomiki).
Ναι,το κρατος χρησιμοποιηθηκε απο την εκαστοτε αρχουσα ταξη ως μεσο επιβολης της στους υπολοιπους.
Αυτο που θελω να σε ρωτησω ειναι αν πιστευεις πως το κρατος μπορει να ειναι μια μηχανη που να διαχειριστει απο τους εργατες σε βαρος των καπιταλων,κ αν οχι,γιατι.
Proswpika den to pisteuw. Isws na mporouse an milousame gia arxousa ergatiki taxi kai oxi gia kommounismo i anarxia. Pou kai pali eimai tis gnwmis pws kanena kratos den einai ikano na epivlithei mono se mia taxi, dld tin astiki, alla se oles. Otan ena komma einai stin exousia, eite ergatiko eite astiko, prospathei na edraiwthei me kathe meso. Epomenws eunoei tous psifoforous tou, "epivallei" tis apopseis tou klp. Ara k pali katapiezontai oloi, estw k an anikoun stin idia koinwniki taxi.
Ma fisika k to kratos epivalletai stin astiki taxi. Giati, esu nomizeis pws oloi oi astoi pernane kala? O Marx, eipe episis pws kai oi astoi einai to idio apallwtriwmenoi oso k oi ergatiki taxi estw k an oi anagkes tous ekplirwnontai kalitera apo tou proletariatou.
...αλλα αναφερει κ ο μαρξ οτι 'πρεπει να γκρεμιστουν συθεμελα η υπαρχουσα κατασκευη του κρατους και να οικοδομηθει μια που θα εξυπηρετει την εργατικη εξουσια',ετσι ωστε να καταπιεστουν οι αστοι,ΚΑΙ να περασουν στην λειτουργια του κρατους ενας μαζικος αριθμος εργατων.
Ontws. auto eipe o Marx. sta plaisia tou "dictatorship of the proletariat". Me skopo na epivlithoun oi nees ergatikes axies k na exaleifthei o kapitalismos. Meta, milise gia katargisi tou kratous
Vasika, gia na min parexigithoun ta logia m, diafwnw me tin iparxi opoiasdipote morfis kratous meta apo mia endexwmeni epanastasi-estw an auto einai ergatiko kratos. Auto vevaia de simainei pws eimai ipermaxos tis anarxikis enallaktikis..
h anarxia san theoria einai OUTOPIA( .O kommounismos den tha mporesei na efarmostei pote oso sunuparxei me ton kapitalismo kai uparxoun amatheis kai hlithioi anthrwpoi...
H astunomia exei stoxopoihthei kuriws epeidh einai o amesos foreas ths eksousias(sxetika me thn epibolh twn nomwn).H bia kata tou forea autou leitourgei kai ws elegktikh.H istoria exei deiksei oti plhrhs upakoh sthn eksousia xwris isxurh antidrash mporei na odhghsei se kataxrhsh ek merous twn eksousiastwn.Twra gia tis fulakes kai to an autes opws einai shmera aposkopoun sth timwria h sto swfronismo auto to afhnw se sena.
Polu swstes erwthseis pou duskola briskoun apanthsh sta plaisia ths klassikhs anarxias.Oson afora se kapoia parktika zhthmata, auta mporoun na luthoun mono me thn uparksh enos upotupwdous estw kratous (blepe thn theoria tou minimal state h minarchism).isws se kapoia mellontikh anathewrhsh tou anarxismou me eisxwrhsh idewn apo to minarchism kai th theoria ths autonomias(kastoriades) na apanth8oun ta erwthmata pou theteis.Dustuxws den mporw na milisw parapanw giati uparxei kai to word limit
h propaganda efarmozetai mono ekei pou yparxei psema.(thelewrash,politikh, stratos)kai apla xtypaei sto yposinidito me apotelesma na ginesai pioni.Enas anarxikos de tha ekane propaganda gt de thelei na kanei kapoion kati pou aytos de thelei na einai(pioni)alla prospathei na to peisei me epiklhsh sth logikh..
Προπαγανδα ειναι η συστηματικη,σφοδρη και εντεχνη επεμβαση στο υποσυνειδητο με στοχο την υιοθετηση αποψεων και τη διαμορφωση συγκεκριμενης συμπεριφορας των δεκτων προς εξυπηρετηση σκοπιμοτητων.
file tha ithela na apantisw ena pros ena ola ta erwtimata, giati kati mou leei oti rwtas exontas ta autia sou anoixta. To provlima einai oti vazeis polla kai to youtube den prosferetai katholou.
Gia arxi exw na sou proteinw dyo vivlia pou gia mena perilamvanoun oti xreiazetai na kserei enas pou autoxaraktirizetai "anarxikos": To alfavitari tou anarxismou apo Burgmann kai To "xwris eksousia" apo malatesta. Einai mikra alla mesta kai ta dyo.
Alliws mporoume na ta piasoume ta themata ena ena :)
PARA poli sintomi apantisei pros oles tis erotiseis: Stalin, Mao, Tsaouseskou, Hoxha, Kastro... kai poli alloi pou logika eseis tha theoreite evergetes... alla thelo na zisete k eseis se mia tetoia kolodiktatoria k meta ta leme...
To epeixirima file mou einai oti ston kommounismo sou kapoios tha exei eksousia kai einai oxi mono istorika alla kai EPISTIMONIKA apodedigmeno (milgram experiment, stanford prison experiment ktl.) oti opoios exei perissoteri eksousia apo tous ypoloipous h exei analavi ena siggekrimeno rolo ton opoio tou epivaloun oi anoteroi tou, xestike gia tous ypoloipous...
Προσπαθησα να στειλω εναμηνυμα,δεντο επερνε,πιθανον με εχεις κανει μπλοκ,Αφου δεν με αφηνεις να αναπτυξω τη σκεψη μου,και μετα απο την ερωτηση μου για να δω μεχρι που εχεις φτασει να συνεχισω,παρακαλω σβησε τα προηγουμενα μηνυματα μου απο εδω.Ευχαριστω
N kanw mia ilithia,stegni,axrwmi,agathi asxeti me t auto katheauto thema, erwtisi.(Gt k gw tous idious problimatismous exw, tis idies sizitiseis anoigw me atoma p isws mporw na parw kapoia apantisi ktl)Otan milate gia tetoiou eidous themata"Niwthete"pws mporoun na exoun ousiastiki efarmogi?Egw oxi.K 2 pragmata mporei na simbainoun:Exw sapisei(mazi me tin koinwnia)toso p pleon dn blepw fws or exw tromeri antilipsi kai ontws einai pleon arga(k an ginei kati tha ginei tixaia,opws panta).Elpizw to 1
Οχι ρε,υπαρχουν 2-3 ρευματα αναρχισμου που προτεινουν την δομη της μετεπαναστατικης κοινωνιας, και 3 τροποι δρασης μεσα στην καπιταλιστικη κοινωνια για να επιτευχθει η ιδια η επανασταση.
Αυτά τα πράγματα είναι χαζομαρούλες Δε γίνεται να αποκτήσει όλη η ανθρωπότητα ταυτόσημη ιδεολ. σκέψη γιατί απλά ο κάθε άνθρωπος σκέφτεται διαφορετικά Επομένως οδηγούμαστε στο σοσιαλιστικό δικτατορικό για μένα καθεστώς που θα προστατεύει την καθαρότητα της ιδεολογίας
Και δεν πετυχαίνουν τίποτε άλλο απο το να αποδεικνύουν πόσο ουτοπική και ανεφάρμοστη ιδεολογία είναι η αναρχία. Είναι ιδεολογία αντίδρασης και ΟΧΙ λύσης...
Gia to 4.Xmmm,gia to a) exw thn entypwsh oti apla prepei na exeis diavasei poly kai gia ton anarxismo kai gia ton koummoounismo.Oi diafores sthn ideologia tha einai kai praktika diafores.Gia to b)...Proswpika pistevw oti mono mesw ths vias tha epelthei h allagh.Katastrofh gia dhmiourgia.
Gia to 3,oi mpatsoi einai oi kyrioi antiproswpoi ths eksousias,tou systhmatos oti dhladh enas anarxikos apex8anetai...Giafto o antimpatsismos kai oi odomaxies..To koinoboulio einai ergaleio ths dhmokratias.Gia to e) exeis kapio dikio alla h eleytheria(an mh ti allo mia afhrhmenh enoia)katexei mia poly shmantikh thesh sthn ideologia kathe anarxikou.Symfwnw apolyta oti prepei na xtyphsoume ton kapitalismo kathws einai h phgh olwn twn kakwn.
Oson afora to 1,den tha yparxoyn antiepanastatika kinhmata klp,giati akrivws OLOI tha pistevoyn ston anarxismo kai oxi epeidh etsi toys eipan alla epeidh pragmatika thn exoyn psaksei kai exoun katalhksei monoi tous xwris ekswterikes epidraseis oti afto einai to katalhlo "politeyma".Kai afth thn stigmh h opoia xwra dn einai etoimh gia kati tetoio.Einai,eimaste, oi perissoteroi pneymatika anwrimoi gia kati tetoio(giafto milame kai gia epagrypnhsh klp).Twra posa ghamhmena xronia 8eloyme dn kserw
opoiadhpote koinwnia xreiazetai ena themeliako systhma nomwn.H ANARXIA EINAI KI AYTH SYSTHMA.KATaLAVE TO.systha omws pou de vasizetai sthn ekmetalleysh tou anthrwpou.
h kommounistikh methodos sthn kaluterh,agnoterh periptwsh tha pragmatwsei kai tha sthrixei thn outopia ek twn panw kai e3w,dhladh me dikaious nomous pou tha epivallontai sta atoma.vlepoume kai shmera omws oti panta ena pio
"ponhro" atomo mporei na ksegelasei p.x. kapoio allo,akoma ki entos twn plaisiwn twn nomwn.sthn kommounistikh praktikh o anthrwpos prospathei na vrei tous teleious nomous kai na tous epivallei.vlepoume dhladh,oti o anthrwpos katalhgei na yphretei tous nomous.
mia einai h apanthsh se oles tis erwthseis sou. to na eisai anarxikos shmainei panw apo ola na eisai ensuneidhta kalos an8rwpos.kai mh mou peis oti auto einai ypokeimeniko.einai mono en merei.GIATI YPARXEI KAI ANTIKEIMENIKA MIA GRAMMH ANAMESA STO KALO KAI TO KAKO.kai,telika,ka8e kinhma krinetai apo tis praxeis twn suneidhtwn uposthrixtwn tou.p.x. to punk de 8a to krineis ap'ton tuxarpasto figouratzh,alla apo auton pou me psyxrh logikh kai thermo pa8os to exei gnwrisei.
to prwto ka8ara anarxiko vivlio pou diavasa htan h istoria tou maxnovitikou kinhmatos(polloi "anarxikoi" oute pou 3eroun kati allo ektos ths ispanias), 12 XRONWN! me DOULEUEIS???
Ligi bia isos na einai lisi(lektiki, sindikalistiki,nomiki,kallitexniki). Alla propaganda of the deed fasi stin epoxi mas mono arnitika apotelesmata mporei na exei. I mipos ennoeis kati allo.
Οχι μονο τετοιου ειδους βια,αλλα και φυσικη βια..ο δρομος δεν ειναι στρωμενος με ροδοπεταλα και οι καπιταλες θα δαγκωσουν αγρια για να διατηρησουν το εκμεταλευτικο συστημα.
gia ton reformismo.Giati? Pragmati xreiazetai opos ellege kai o mpakounin kati na ginei prota staxti kai meta na anagennthei(opos kai stin ithiki). Exalou anagennisi xoris thanato den ifistatai.Alla kati tetoio xreiazetai anapofefkta poli bia.
Στο τελος ομως ο αναρχισμος μαλλον ατομικη παρα κοινωνικη επανασταση εμελλε να ειναι. Πραγματι, ,μια πιο ρεφορμιστικη κοινωνικη επανασταση (εμπαργκο, συνδικαλισμος, δημιουργια συλλογου καταναλωτων) ισως να ηταν πιο αποτελεσματικη.
Τωρα ακομα κι αν οι αναρχικοι υποθετικα υπακουν στις αρχες του kropotkin bakunin godwin spooner tucker η οποιουδηποτε αλλου, αυτο δε θα πει οτι θα πρεπει να ακολουθουνται σα θρησκεια, εξαλλου αυτη δεν ειναι η ιδεα του αναρχισμου.
πολυ σωστα διατυπωμενο. Συμφωνω απολυτα. Αν και πιστευω ακραδαντα πως το αναρχικο ρευμα του 19ου αιωνα τουλαχιστον καλλιτεχνικα και φιλοσοφικα αποτελει μια πολυ ρομαντικη και ρηξικελευθη ιδεολογια που επετρεψε στους ανθρωπους να σκεφτονται πιο ελευθερα.
Τι έκανες με αυτό? Βλέπω από Κάτω πολλές απαντήσεις.. Πόντος γενικά βλέπω ότι η γνώσεις σου πάνω σε φιλοσοφικό επίπεδο για την αναρχία και την αυτονομία είναι αρκετά ελλιπείς. Και το ότι είσαι στην κνε θα κάνει τα πράγματα ποιο δύσκολα.. (χωρίς παρεξήγηση)
Ετσι κ ετσι οι απαντησεις,αν θελεις απαντα (λεπτομερως ομως).
Ελα ρε εγω νομιζω εχω φτασει σε αρκετα καλο επιπεδο.Οταν λεω 'questions for anarchists" δεν εννοω οτι δεν εχω ιδεα γιατα θεματα αυτα, απλα δεν με πειθουν,κ προσπαθω να καταλαβω τα πραγματα απο την σκοπια σας.
Though a pro free-market individualist, I have some input for you:
Why the assumption that "workers' communities" would be inefficient in facing any given chalenge? Without their existance being backed by force paid by resources extracted from others against their (the "others'") will, those in the WCs would have every incentive to be efficient and effective - challenge breeds adaptation.
Military: How are quick decisions made by any person - whether part of a group or not?
Anti-police madness? Hatred of kidnappers and murderers, rejection of the total reversal of morality claimed when one dons a uniform - these seem to me anything but madness. policemen are a constant reminder of "our place" in the eyes of those who rule. One is immediately manuvered into a defenseless position when a lawman takes an interest - and to refuse any order is to invite death at the hands of one who will have acted properly in the eyes of "the law".
The freedom or lack thereof to act on one's own concience is quite physcially concrete.
On 5b - Do you mean all violence, or initiated violence? Failure to follow orders will bring the thugs to your door. And no one ever secured freedom by letting themselves be murdered (despite the pro passive resistance spin-job done on certain historical events.
I see no need for offensive force. Once it is made clear that certain people are intent upon murdring you, preventing those people from doing so is siply self self defense (same for instances of third-party defense).
Stop obeying those in power, they will move to kill you. Defend yourself effectively and most people I have met will call you a murderer when you have only acted in self defense.
I see no justification for initiating force, save for in sure foreknowledge that force will be initiated by the other... but... if one person or group (grouped by actions of the individuals, not by mere genetic, geographic or nebulous "clutural" or "religious" identities) has made it clear they will kill you, so you move to kill them first... who is really the initiator?
well it would be very hard to make people see that, as we (and you) have a difficulty in even making them understand the basic exploitation system of capitalism.
i dont see why a moral value (such as pacifism) should prevent the chance of liberation.
"...we (and you) have a difficulty in even making them understand the basic exploitation system of capitalism."
By capitalism you mean what, exactly? I love the free market... never really seen it outside of specific types of interactions or a few specific people, though.... and the fascist / mercantilist crap that the "stars and stripes" wavers call capitalism is a deeply evil way of conducting affairs, indeed.... General Dynamics... Depatment of Defense... nuff said, I think.
Well, I'd have to know what you beliueve exploitation to consist of.
If I refuse to give resourses to a person severely lacking in resources (or requiring them immediately to avoid death) is this an act of agression?
If I pay a person an agreed upon amount of resources for an agreed upon resource / service from him, is it exploitative If I have figured out the lowest price he will accept?
Perhaps you can explain what kinds of exploitation you would expect from an unregulated economy?
δεν ξέρω πως να ποστάρω βίντεο-απάντηση ο άσχετος και δεν ξερω γιατι τα γράμματα στο βιντεο βγαινουν ετσι θωλά... Ειναι παντως "αναγνώσιμα"... /watch?v=DxlP8KmMA4I
Anarchogatos 4 months ago
@Anarchogatos το βιντεο μου βγηκε $#@$#@$#@ και το κατεβασα! θα σου στειλω απαντησεις με mail...(αν και 3 χρονια μετα οπως διαπιστωνω μαλλον ασκοπο ειναι ...ευχαριστω παντως που-για αλλη μια φορα- ενεργοποιησες την σκέψη μου! ;-)
Anarchogatos 4 months ago
@Anarchogatos
ποσταρεις βιντεοαπαντηση, με το να πας να γραψεις ενα κανονικο σχολιο->create video response
mauroprovatos 4 months ago
Ωραιο βιντεομαύρε! ετοιμαζω απαντηση και εγω...
Anarchogatos 4 months ago
αυτο το βιντεο το κανες οταν ησουν ΚΚΕ?
xesoprothesmo 6 months ago
@xesoprothesmo profanws
mauroprovatos 6 months ago
c. There are already companies working according to worker's self-management, e.g. Mondragon coperation. These institutions work fine even in the capitalist system. Managers will be democratically elected.
Q3a: it doesn't.
b) We do not always, during the Spanish rev. Anarchists were part of the gov't. The Dutch "Rapaille Party" was an anarchist political party and yet another dutch political party whose name I forgot had 1 seat in the parliament. Also, Provo.
GodOfTheInternets 1 year ago
Q2: AGAIN, the Spanish Revolution shows that at first the anarchist militias were non-hierarchical organized, later this was changed. Anarchist do not reject non-coercive hierarchies, i.e. elected bodies. In other words, ranks will be democratically chosen and when in battle these lieutenants, for example, will make decisions.
GodOfTheInternets 1 year ago
e) We, again, can examine this from the Spanish rev. namely syndicates and federations of syndicates will decide in councils what will be produced, etc.
GodOfTheInternets 1 year ago
and... anarchist principles were already enforced while the state existed, Spanish anarchists for example set up schools... In order to achieve political and class awareness we 'must' achieve cultural hegemony.
As for other ideologies: what does that matter? Of course the bourgeoisie will try to re-establish capitalism but little people would wish to work in an undemocratic workplace after they worked in a democratic one.
GodOfTheInternets 1 year ago
Q1a As a Social Democrat I speak here with inner joy and sincere admiration of my experience in Catalonia. The anti-capitalist transformation took place here without there having to resort to a dictatorship, these remarks, made by a Swiss Social Democrat about the anarchist collectivization of the means of production, were noted by Rudolf Rocker in his book The Tragedy of Spain, page 24.
Qc, in the years preceding the Spanish Rev. there indeed already was class awareness and...
GodOfTheInternets 1 year ago
h paragwgh file mou apofasizetai kai kathodigeitai apo to proletariato h thn omada kathe xwrou parageghs den xreiazetai enan afenth na koumantarei pros ofelos tou thn paragwgh dioti ena afentiko auto tha kanei. kata ti gnwmh yparxei sosialismos me tin yparksh kratous?
anarxopanathas 2 years ago
Η μαζική επανάσταση θα αρχίσει όταν ζητήσουμε το δημοψήφισμα μεταξύ αναρχίας και δημοκρατίας. Γιατί τότε θα έχουν πάρει την απόφαση ότι αναρχία δεν είναι ουτοπία αλλά μια πολιτική με νόμους . θα το κάνουν αυτό γιατί δεν γουσταρουν τον τραμπουκισμο και τα ΜΜΕ να φοβιζουν.
Cran1988 2 years ago
2 many ? u ask 2 answer here in short ! without awareness there is no way 2 realise Anarchy.Neither individual nor collective.The basic attitude of equivalence and empathy with the focus on equality of needs but differences in the strategies 2 fullfill those needs can bring a broader change.Honest Anarchists r spreading it from the grassroots into society.How the concrete problems will be solved is not predictable as history teaches us.
We want evrybody 2b strong so that no rulers r accepted.
agnostoatomo 2 years ago
if this is understood=No"anarchist"Patriarchs will tell people the"right"thinx 2do.Anarchy IS NOT a "left"or"right" ideology but an attitude that expresses itself in many ways.If there isn't enough tolerance = no Anarchy! as simple as that.That's why many Anarchists i know call it utopic but worth striving for.Anarchy needs patience.Violence does not work! some tried in the late 19th century and failed.Violent kids calling themselves Anarchists r Anomists in reality.Defense is another issue!
agnostoatomo 2 years ago
having purified the inner brainwashed mind then u can spread out contentment in your own live situations and be acceptible 4 others because u meet everyone on the same empathetic eyelevel.
Then we can make an outer change,like connecting with people in the same mindfulness process,pimping up DIYskills,clubs of defaitism,nonmonetary networks,Guerilla gardening,nonviolent communication and consensous group processes.States r never providing equivalence & empathy = no freedom!
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agnostoatomo 2 years ago
Here are my answers. Other, more intelligent anarchists might have given better ones, but here's mine.
Q1: The CNT and Anarchist Catalonia answer all but the last of those questions.
f) The communes trade with each other.
Q2: a) Each militia column elects a single commander to guide the soldiers during battle. But ONLY during battle.
b) Who? If you're thinking of ppl like Durruti or Makhno, these were either just spokespersons or militia commanders, they had no authority over society
evilmick66 2 years ago
c & d) Regular and abrupt council meetings that attempt to reach for consensus decisions.
e) Because it is the onesided majority ruling over the minority. Do you trust the decision of a bunch of hicks over one intelligent person? When trying to reach for unanimous desicions, people with no knowledge at the particular topic at hand will naturally stay quiet and trust the consensus of the people who would have more expertise on what would be best.
*more on the way*
evilmick66 2 years ago
Q3: a) Police are the oppressers. In order to get the antention of a large crowd, you got to make noise.
b) Some anarchists have done this before. It did squat, and it goes against the whole concept of Anarchy.
c) I don't have an answer for this; I have no problem with syndicalism.
d) Without centralisation, diversity naturally springs up.
e) Freedom is the main issue. Prisons are responsible for detaining and killing innocents because of either minority or greedy prosecuters.
evilmick66 2 years ago
What other topics do you consider "trivial"?
Q5(?): a) Anarchism is direct results, communism is a pipe dream that'll never happen because those in power will do their best to stay in power.
b) What is the defintion of revolution other than a violent overthrow? Our way of reaching out to the people is either peaceful or very rowdy (but rarely murderous), but when the shit hits the fan and a true uprising is finally here, it's time to slay some motherfuckers.
evilmick66 2 years ago
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agnostoatomo 2 years ago
@evilmick66 innocents? We're in the XXI century, political prisioners may exist rarely, but there are no more political prisioners in general, at least in the western world.
GuiMarquito 1 year ago
@evilmick66 If you could gie a more in-depth answer I'd appreciate it, since i too have doubts on anarchism.
GuiMarquito 1 year ago
I don't remember mentioning "political prisoners," I was implying the falsey accused. But I'll take your challenge anyways:
The arab guy who got tortured in Gitmo just because of complications with his Visa and later turned out to NOT be a terrorist, doesn't count? We could also argue for hours about Mumia Abu-Jamal.
You are naive to think state-imposed freedom of speech/expression has become an infallible right. It's widely practiced but is at times ignored.
evilmick66 1 year ago
There is no perfect justice system. How can you not have any falsely accused?
what did I say? the exist, but rarely. I hate american imperialism, but america is a deeply fascist country. As a whole of social democracies, europe is still certainly not like it. that's why I doubt on anarchism too: a lot of youtube anarchs are american. Of course! It's a reaction.
GuiMarquito 1 year ago
The BNP has two seats in the European Parliamant, Sarkozy wants to ban burkas, Eastern Europe viciously persecutes Roma people to this day, Belarus is well.. Belarus, and I've seen plenty of racist comments between Scandinavians about arab immigration.
I don't know much else because I don't look into Europe's problems that often, but with enough research I'm sure I can come up with more.
No system anywhere is perfect or better. That's why they all must be done away with.
evilmick66 1 year ago
Btw, Anarchism is given much more respect and consideration in Europe than in America. Over here, we're just seen as a bunch of rebellious college kids. The majority of users on youtube are American, period.
evilmick66 1 year ago
fuck, I can't post comments for some reason
GuiMarquito 1 year ago
sorry adelfia pou einai terastio. elpizw na voithisa...
enausername 2 years ago
e) en meroi exeis dikaio. O synxronos anarxikos (kai kommounistis kai genika aristeros) exei na anatrepsei dyo pragmata. Thn oikonomia ws exei kai thn koinonia ws exei. To oti oi anarxikoi exoun ena idiaitero kollima me koinonika zitimata einai gegonos. Ayto ofeilete kyrios sthn (en merh swsth kat eme) prosegkisi oti to vasiko pragma pou prepei na allakseis einai o anthropos.
4 a) Eimai anarxokomounistis. :)
b) Oxi anagkaiw. Isos anapofeufkto.
enausername 2 years ago
Me to na xtypas astynomikous apla voithas ta media (na enas megalos exthros) na enisxisoun to hooliganiko sou profil sthn koinonia, pou thes den thes vlepei kai pisteuei oti leei h T.V.
b) Na mpoume sto koinovoulio na kanoume dialogo me poious? Den diafono oti mporei na einai ekei mesa 1-2 aksiologa atoma (kai oxi parapanw). Tha einai san na vgainoume sthn Tatiana na kanoume propaganda. g) Prosopika den ton aporiptw entelos.
enausername 2 years ago
3 a) den voithaei. sto mono pou isos tha voithaei einai mia atomiki ektonosi tou kathenos pou katevainei stous dromous. Alla (prosopika toulaxiston) eimai apoluta symfonos mazi sou. Den voithaei pouthena. O astynomos den einai o exthros. Apla ayton vriskeis mprosta sou otan eisai ston dromo. Yparxoun ena ekatomurrio alloi tropoi na xtupiseis to systima pou einai ena ekatomurrio fores pio apotelesmatiki.
enausername 2 years ago
Mhn apoklheis omos thn periptosh sto mellon na patame ena koupmi kai na mas erxete to radiofono sthn porta mas.
2 a) Den tha lamvanontai b) nai exeis dikaio. (milas gia kinimata kai oxi gia koinonies) g) apla o kathenas kanei thn douleia tou. den mporw na katalvw thn aporeia sou. o aytepagkeltos shmera pws mporei kai doulevei xwris kanenan na ton dieythinei? d) poios sou eipe oti den tha yparxei organotiki domh? kai h anarxia einai mia morfi organosis. e) giati einai mia morfi katapiesis.
enausername 2 years ago
Edw na prosthesw kati. Ws hlektronikos pou eimai mporw na sou pw oti polla (80% kai anw) apo ta pragmata pou ginontai xeirokinita sthn voiomixania mporoun pia na aytomatopoiithoun kai na paragonte eks oloklhrou apo mixanes. To synxrono kefalaio den exei ylopoihsei akoma aytes ths texnologika proigmenes morfes paragwghs giati tou symferei na doulevei to eksaxrono pakistanaki para na plirwsei gia ta nea mixanimata.
enausername 2 years ago
Gia einai eimai ilikrinis mazi sou egw dilwnw anarxokomounistis kathoti kai egw vriskw dyskolh thn synexhsh ths paragwghs ws exei xwris kapoion vasiko sxediasmo. Alla prepei na alveis yp opsin sou oti oi domes kai oi ypodomes ths paragwghs yparxoun idi kai ayto mporei na kanei thn efarmogh tous xwris kapoion kentriko sxediasmo pio eykolh. Episis mporei na efarmostoun texnikes tou kapitalismou gia na varometrithei h zitisi.
enausername 2 years ago
Twra gia ta pragmata pou ontos mas xriazontai... Nomizw oti oso anafora ta trofima ta pragmata einai ksekathara. Episis apla einai ta pragmata oso anafora vasikes ypiresies opos daskalous, naytikous, pilotous ktl. Profanws oso proxorame se pio texnokratika meri ths paragwghs ta pragmata ginontai pio periploka. Einai sxetika aplo (organotika) na xtiseis ena spiti alla einai periploko na ftiakseis enan ypologisti.
enausername 2 years ago
d) nai tha htan.
e) z) poly kalo erwtima. Kat arxhn prepei na laveis ypopshn oti polla apo ta proionta pou paragonte shmera einai praktika pantelos axrista kai ypiretoun mono kai mono ton katanalwtismo. Idika polles ypiresies den tha yparxoun se mia anarxiki koinonia (px logistes, pornes, stratiotikoi, trapezites, nomikoi ktl ktl). An paratiriseis ton synxrono kosmo tha deis oti aytoi oi tomeis einai pou xriazonte organosh.
enausername 2 years ago
Den zitaw kan sorry gia ta greeklish... :P
1. a) kai b) Nai einai. Den tha yparxei antepanastasi. Ayto einai to noima thn anarchika organomenhs koinonias. An h idia h koinonia aporipsei aytou tou eidous thn organosh pavei na einai anarxikh. Prepei na katalaveis oti h anarxia einai tropos pou tha leitourgei h koinonia (kai h oikonmia ktl) kai oxi ena synolo anthropon pou tha ton epivaloun.
g) kata pasa pithanotita nai, an kai h koinonia exei apodeiksei oti mporei na allaksei para poly grigora...
enausername 2 years ago
Καλά σου ετοιμάζω μια απάντηση.. χεχε
overkill2024 2 years ago
με επιχειρηματα,ε;
οχι μλκιες.
mauroprovatos 2 years ago
Βρε λέω εγώ μαλακίες? Χεχε! Όχι ρε εσυ. Απλά είναι αρκετά αυτά που εχω να γράψω και θέλω κ τα συνδέσω με τον μαρξισμό-λενινισμό. Απλά δεν εχω πολύ χρόνο (όπως και έλλειψη φαντασίας ε μην είναι ένα βίντεο μόνο με γράμματα.. ) καιρός γαρ εγγύς..χεχε
overkill2024 2 years ago
η ρωτα με
mauroprovatos 2 years ago
Η βουλη πρεπει να καει ?
Cran1988 2 years ago
Οχι, γιατι να καταστρεψουμε το κτιριο? Να απονεκρωθει καθε δραστηριοτητα της, ναι.
mauroprovatos 2 years ago
πως θα αποκεντρωνες κα8ε δραστηριοτιτα της ?
Cran1988 2 years ago
Μεσω της ενισχυσης της αυτονομιας, αυτοοργανωσης συνδικατων γειτονιων και καθε οργανωμενης ομαδας ανθρωπων προς κομμουνιστικη δραση, με αναρχικη οργανωση και πρακτικη.
mauroprovatos 2 years ago
uparxoun sundikata geitoniwn ?
mpwreis na mou onomaseis merika ?
Cran1988 2 years ago
Οχι εννοουσα συνδικατων , (κομμα) γειτονιων κλπ
Δλδ συμβουλια γειτονιων, ομαδες ανθρωπων που ζουν στην ιδια γειτονια που συγκεντρωνονται συζητουν και αποφασιζουν για θεματα που τους αφορου.Ελαχιστα υπαρχουν.
mauroprovatos 2 years ago
Που ειναι οι απαντησεις ?
Cran1988 2 years ago
ψαξε στα σχολια..!
mauroprovatos 2 years ago
... but its easier for people without a "class consience" to grow such feelings against police, especially if the police violence is a state (e.g. Greece).
I got really tired. But will be back :)
alexwf09 2 years ago
-the murder of A.Grigoropoulos was the main thing that got ppl on the streets
-a wide variety of social groups were participating (students, teachers, parents, anarchist, left-wing parties etc) and the common point for all of those ppl was the hate against police.
In general, im with the "anti-cop" movement, cause police is the property and civic peace guardian, its not "just another job". I understand that its not the most important aspect when u deal with much bigger problems "
alexwf09 2 years ago
As for violence, i believe that is necessary, just because capitalists wont give up or re-deliver their property without it. I believe that violence is in the core of revolution.
The riot violence issue, (against police), is it self a HUGE topic, especially after the uprisings in Greece and France.
As for Greece, i believe that the uprising reflected that character because :
alexwf09 2 years ago
As for the questions (cause im getting off-topic):
In general, i think that just because someone is participating in some political events and calls himself an "Anarchist" (or whatever else) doesnt mean that he/she is totally out of the capitalistic system structures. People will have to "evolve themselves" side-by-side with revolutionary practices. As said, with no "recipes on how to make the perfect Revolution".
alexwf09 2 years ago
I would say (after reading all the 163 posts! in greek, english and greeklish), very nice topic. YT isnt really the place for such discusions, but nvm.
I think that Anarchy as ideology is devided as much as the left-wing and communist parties in Greece. That means a lot of different opinions, but mostly weak (as for numbers). I also agree that no revolution can be achieved "following recipes". Thatsmainly because of the different social and economical status of many different countries.
alexwf09 2 years ago
A lot of this shows that Anarchism is not possible without a Free Market.
I have always been confused to how anarchists (Except Market Anarchists, like myself) intened to stop people from practicing Capitailism. Without a State, if I want to practice Capitalism, NO ONE CAN STOP ME!
Viva la mercando libre!
DoomHippie 2 years ago
if you do practice capitalism, everyone can stop you, because you are utilizing a system that functions based on exploitation of labor, thus you are suppressing economic freedom of others.
mauroprovatos 2 years ago
Sure, if you use the definition of 'Corporatism' when you mean 'Capitalism.' Due to the confusion of the word, I stick to the term 'Free Market.' The Free Market is simply an unregulated market, allowing bussinesses to thrive an compete, making more jobs and more products of higher quality. Regulation is just a means by which the rich can enslave the poor, by limiting the options that the lower classes have.
Fight the system. Demand a FREE Market!
iVIVA LA MERCANDO LIBRE!
DoomHippie 2 years ago
It's "EL MERCADO LIBRE" you fucking tool.
elsamuraiguapo 2 years ago
διαβασε βιβλια του κορνηλιου καστοριαδη και θα βρεις απαντησεις νομιζω
δεν εχω διαβασει ακομα τα βιβλια του αλλα απο οτι ξερω το αναλλυει
MajereRaistlinGR 2 years ago
That's a nice piece of music, does it got a name?
Sycken 3 years ago
vid description.
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
lol, thanks!
Sycken 3 years ago
μαυροπρόβατε είσαι Γιαννιώτης ή έχεις κάποια σχέση με γιάννενα;;;
απάντα σε πμ παρακαλώ...
melinaki3000 3 years ago
Τουλαχιστον οταν ειναι χωρις αποδειξη ;)
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
είτε ειναι ματσό κομουνισταράς είτε ματσό αναρχικός που τα βάζει με το κράτος οπότε ναί διαφωνώ μαζί σου δεν υπάρχουν "must" και "political correct" εντός των "επαναστατικών" κομματιών.
nucleusofear 3 years ago
Γαμωτο,δεν εννοω αυτο.Εννοω οτι ενα minimum των επιλογων σου στην δραση/θεωρια σου ειναι αντικειμενικα το Χ.
Με την λογικη που προωθεις,εγω πχ θα ηθελα να ριξω τον καπιταλισμο κ θα ελεγα οτι 'θα τον ριξω κλανοντας'.Η υποκειμενικοτητα σε ολα δν χωραει εδω.
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
γενικα αν το εννοείς πιο ατομικά,είμαι ψιλοεναντια στο φαντασιακό του κοσμοκαλόγερου της επανάστασης
nucleusofear 3 years ago
an me to "xarakthristika" ennoeis "stadia" NAI diafwnw.οι αναρχικοι σε όλες της φάσεις του παγκοσμιου αναρχικού κινήματος για ένα ξεχωρίζουν (οργανωτικά εννοώ) , ΟΡΓΑΝΩΝΟνται στο σήμερα με τον τρόπο που θα οργανώνονταν και σε μια αναρχική κοινωνια για αυτό άλλωστε και βιώνουν τόσες αντιφάσεις.
nucleusofear 3 years ago
δεν εννοουσα αυτο..
Εννοοω καποια 'Must' που πρεπει να ακολουθει ενας αντικαπιταλιστης επαναστατης,τα οποια ειναι καθορισμενα απο τα χαρακτηριστικα του ιδιου του καπιταλισμου και του στοχου που θελουμε να επιτευξουμε (εμεις οι επαναστατες)
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
μην πέφτουμε ξανά στη παγίδα του επιστημονικού σοσιαλισμού. ΚΑΝΕΝΑ ΚΩΜΑ ΔΕΝ ΜΠΟΡΕΙ ΝΑ ΙΣΧΥΡΙΖΕΤΑΙ ΟΤΙ ΚΑΤΕΧΕΙ ΤΗΝ ΜΟΝΗ ΑΛΗΘΕΙΑ ΓΙΑ ΤΗΝ ΕΠΑΝΑΣΤΑΣΗ ΚΑΙ ΤΗΝ "ΑΛΛΗ" ΚΟΙΝΩΝΙΑ
nucleusofear 3 years ago
τα όποια βιβλία έχουν γραφτεί από θεωρητικούς -και μη- δεν αποτελούν κάποιο είδος τσελεμεντε είναι απλώς θεωρητική βάση για τις δράσεις μας,ώστε να μην γίνουμε ακτιβιστές αλλά ούτε και άπραγοι φιλόλογοι..
nucleusofear 3 years ago
ΑΝ ΚΑΙ ΜΠΟΡΩ ΝΑ ΑΠΑΝΤΗΣΩ θα πω μόνο ότι :ΔΕΝ ΥΠΑΡΧΕΙ ΣΥΝΤΑΓΗ ΓΙΑ ΤΗΝ ΕΠΑΝΑΣΤΑΣΗ ΚΑΙ ΤΗΝ ΑΝΑΡΧΙΑ.
nucleusofear 3 years ago
Καθε στοχος απαιτει εναν δρομο για την επιτευξη του.Αρνεισαι οτι υπαρχουν καποια αντικειμενικα χαρακτηριστικα στην πορεια επιτευξης του στοχου;
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
THRASER 91 εχει δίκιο για τον όρο προπαγάνδα ο μαυροπροβατος. δεν είναι αρνητικός όρος στην πολιτική π.χ. προπαγανδιζω τις απόψεις μου...
τώρα μην διαβάζεις κάθε αστική μαλακία στη Wikipedia.
εγω γουστάρω πιο πολύ την αγκιτάτσια όμως...
nucleusofear 3 years ago
ειμαι μαθητης 3ης λυκειου και το θεμα το εκανα πριν κατι μερες....
thraser91 3 years ago
Ξανα,η ΕΤΥΜΟΛΟΓΙΑ και η ΑΡΧΙΚΗ ΣΗΜΑΣΙΑ της λεξης δεν εχει κανενα αρνητικο,αλλα καταντησε να εχει λογω της κομμουνιστικης προπαγανδας(με την εννοια π ανεφερα) που εκαναν οι 'κακοι κομμουνισται'.
Αλλα ΔΕΝ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΑΥΤΟ ΤΟ ΘΕΜΑΑΑΑ, καταλαβες τι εννοω στο βιντεο.
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
ΣΥΝΕΠΕΙΕΣ:
κλονιζεται η λογικη σκεψη και κινητοποιουνται τα ενστικτα
ισοπεδωνεται η ατομικοτητα και το ατομο μαζοποιηται και ευκολα χειραγειται
και αλλα πολλα...
δηλαδη δεν εχει καμια αρνητικη σημασια???
thraser91 3 years ago
ΤΕΧΝΙΚΕΣ:
παραπληροφορηση και υπερπληροφορηση
λαικισμος
υπερβολη και ψεμα
συνυφαση της ειδησης με σχολιο
χρηση γενικα επιστημονικων μεθοδων
thraser91 3 years ago
Arxika, xreiazontai selides gia na apantithoun ta erwtimata. Den exw diavasei ti grapsate mexri twra. oute thelw na iperaspistw tin anarxia san ideologia. Thelw mono na kanw 1 sxolio. O kapitalismos einai exthros twn anarxikwn. Alla megaliteros exthros einai to kratos en genei. Giati oso iparxei kratos iparxei exousia k dinami k epomenws katapiesi k ekmetalleusi. O idios o Marx milise gia katargisi tou kratous epireazomenos apo ton anarxiko Proudhon (koino anarxias kommounismou).
Fairouko 3 years ago
Αυτο ειναι παραδοξο.Ο καπιταλισμος δημιουργει το κρατος,οχι το αντιστροφο.
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
Giati sou fainetai paradoxo? Prin ton kapitalismo den ipirxan kivernwntes kai kivernoumenoi? O kapitalismos sindeetai me to kratos opws to xeroume simera k stirizetai s'auto gia na epiviwsei. To kratos omws-san morfi exousias kai dinamis-mporei na iparxei (kai ipirxe)kai peran tou kapitalismou. Proswpika mou fainetai paradoxo to na katargisoume ton kapitalismo k na epitrepsoume opoiasdipote morfis exousias na iparxei (kati vevaia pou metafrazetai se politiki anisotita, profanws k se oikonomiki).
Fairouko 3 years ago
Ναι,το κρατος χρησιμοποιηθηκε απο την εκαστοτε αρχουσα ταξη ως μεσο επιβολης της στους υπολοιπους.
Αυτο που θελω να σε ρωτησω ειναι αν πιστευεις πως το κρατος μπορει να ειναι μια μηχανη που να διαχειριστει απο τους εργατες σε βαρος των καπιταλων,κ αν οχι,γιατι.
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
Proswpika den to pisteuw. Isws na mporouse an milousame gia arxousa ergatiki taxi kai oxi gia kommounismo i anarxia. Pou kai pali eimai tis gnwmis pws kanena kratos den einai ikano na epivlithei mono se mia taxi, dld tin astiki, alla se oles. Otan ena komma einai stin exousia, eite ergatiko eite astiko, prospathei na edraiwthei me kathe meso. Epomenws eunoei tous psifoforous tou, "epivallei" tis apopseis tou klp. Ara k pali katapiezontai oloi, estw k an anikoun stin idia koinwniki taxi.
Fairouko 3 years ago
Κανεις 2 λαθη στον συλλογισμο σου:
"kanena kratos den einai ikano na epivlithei mono se mia taxi, dld tin astiki, alla se oles"
Με την λογικη αυτη σημερα το κρατος επιβαλλεται και στην αστικη ταξη!???
Επισης το εργατικο κρατος κατα την μαρξιστικη εννοια δεν ειναι ιδιο...
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
Ma fisika k to kratos epivalletai stin astiki taxi. Giati, esu nomizeis pws oloi oi astoi pernane kala? O Marx, eipe episis pws kai oi astoi einai to idio apallwtriwmenoi oso k oi ergatiki taxi estw k an oi anagkes tous ekplirwnontai kalitera apo tou proletariatou.
Fairouko 3 years ago
...αλλα αναφερει κ ο μαρξ οτι 'πρεπει να γκρεμιστουν συθεμελα η υπαρχουσα κατασκευη του κρατους και να οικοδομηθει μια που θα εξυπηρετει την εργατικη εξουσια',ετσι ωστε να καταπιεστουν οι αστοι,ΚΑΙ να περασουν στην λειτουργια του κρατους ενας μαζικος αριθμος εργατων.
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
Ontws. auto eipe o Marx. sta plaisia tou "dictatorship of the proletariat". Me skopo na epivlithoun oi nees ergatikes axies k na exaleifthei o kapitalismos. Meta, milise gia katargisi tou kratous
Fairouko 3 years ago
Δλδ δεν σημαινει οτι εργατικο κρατος = απλα ενα εργατικο κομμα στην εξουσια συμφωνα με το σημερινο μοντελο που βλεπεις γυρω σου.
"Isws na mporouse an milousame gia arxousa ergatiki taxi kai oxi gia kommounismo i anarxia"
Κανεις δεν ειπε οτι εργατικο κρατος=κομμουνισμος,ισα ισα..
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
Lipamai, alla otan milame gia kratos, milame gia kommata. K kanena komma de tha afisei tin exousia gia xarin tou kommounismou. bl. bolshevics
Fairouko 3 years ago
..ισα ισα που χρησιμοποιειτε μια διαφορετικη λεξη κιολας για αυτο. Σοσιαλισμος.
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
Vasika, gia na min parexigithoun ta logia m, diafwnw me tin iparxi opoiasdipote morfis kratous meta apo mia endexwmeni epanastasi-estw an auto einai ergatiko kratos. Auto vevaia de simainei pws eimai ipermaxos tis anarxikis enallaktikis..
Fairouko 3 years ago
h anarxia san theoria einai OUTOPIA( .O kommounismos den tha mporesei na efarmostei pote oso sunuparxei me ton kapitalismo kai uparxoun amatheis kai hlithioi anthrwpoi...
kostaz88 3 years ago
H astunomia exei stoxopoihthei kuriws epeidh einai o amesos foreas ths eksousias(sxetika me thn epibolh twn nomwn).H bia kata tou forea autou leitourgei kai ws elegktikh.H istoria exei deiksei oti plhrhs upakoh sthn eksousia xwris isxurh antidrash mporei na odhghsei se kataxrhsh ek merous twn eksousiastwn.Twra gia tis fulakes kai to an autes opws einai shmera aposkopoun sth timwria h sto swfronismo auto to afhnw se sena.
Dimitris966 3 years ago
Πιστευεις στα αληθεια οτι, λαικιστι, 'κλανετε τα αρχ**δια' των μπατσων με τα επεισοδια στις πορειες?
Ειλικρινα.
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
Polu swstes erwthseis pou duskola briskoun apanthsh sta plaisia ths klassikhs anarxias.Oson afora se kapoia parktika zhthmata, auta mporoun na luthoun mono me thn uparksh enos upotupwdous estw kratous (blepe thn theoria tou minimal state h minarchism).isws se kapoia mellontikh anathewrhsh tou anarxismou me eisxwrhsh idewn apo to minarchism kai th theoria ths autonomias(kastoriades) na apanth8oun ta erwthmata pou theteis.Dustuxws den mporw na milisw parapanw giati uparxei kai to word limit
Dimitris966 3 years ago
katarxas poli simpiknomeno keimeno p 8elei selides gia na apanti8ei
alla kati p diekrina k m ekane entiposi:
"why do you reject participation in the parliament since it a great means of propaganda"
arxika na tonisw pws oi anarxikoi einai antie3ousiastes opote 8a itan antifatiko na simetasxoun stin vouli
poios eipe pws prepei na askisoume propaganda? oi anarxikoi pisteuoun sinidita oti pisteuoun
den poulame oute 8riskies oute patrides p pane parea me skata ston egefalo gia na askoume propaganda
theofilocc 3 years ago
Οπα.
Προπαγανδα = η κοινοποιηση των ιδεων σου.
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
h propaganda efarmozetai mono ekei pou yparxei psema.(thelewrash,politikh, stratos)kai apla xtypaei sto yposinidito me apotelesma na ginesai pioni.Enas anarxikos de tha ekane propaganda gt de thelei na kanei kapoion kati pou aytos de thelei na einai(pioni)alla prospathei na to peisei me epiklhsh sth logikh..
thraser91 3 years ago
propaganda=koinopoihsh twn idewn sou,den exei kamia arnhtikh shmasia,shmainei enhmerwsh.
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
propaganda=plush egkefalou..k eimai sigouros gi ayto...ama thes mpes kai sth wikipedia pou leei gia to skopo ths propagandas..
thraser91 3 years ago
ασχετε!
tsalkinec89 3 years ago
εγω σου ειπα τον ορισμο της λεξης 'προπαγανδα', που σημαινει αυτο π εγραψα πανω,κ ετσι την χρησιμοποιω στο βιντεο οποτε το θεμα ειναι ληξαν.
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
Προπαγανδα ειναι η συστηματικη,σφοδρη και εντεχνη επεμβαση στο υποσυνειδητο με στοχο την υιοθετηση αποψεων και τη διαμορφωση συγκεκριμενης συμπεριφορας των δεκτων προς εξυπηρετηση σκοπιμοτητων.
thraser91 3 years ago
file tha ithela na apantisw ena pros ena ola ta erwtimata, giati kati mou leei oti rwtas exontas ta autia sou anoixta. To provlima einai oti vazeis polla kai to youtube den prosferetai katholou.
Gia arxi exw na sou proteinw dyo vivlia pou gia mena perilamvanoun oti xreiazetai na kserei enas pou autoxaraktirizetai "anarxikos": To alfavitari tou anarxismou apo Burgmann kai To "xwris eksousia" apo malatesta. Einai mikra alla mesta kai ta dyo.
Alliws mporoume na ta piasoume ta themata ena ena :)
SajukkTheEternal 3 years ago
opa sorry gia ta pola comment alla ta epekse o browser
chrisls07 3 years ago
PARA poli sintomi apantisei pros oles tis erotiseis: Stalin, Mao, Tsaouseskou, Hoxha, Kastro... kai poli alloi pou logika eseis tha theoreite evergetes... alla thelo na zisete k eseis se mia tetoia kolodiktatoria k meta ta leme...
chrisls07 3 years ago
Αυτο τωρα τι ειναι, επιχειρημα;
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
To epeixirima file mou einai oti ston kommounismo sou kapoios tha exei eksousia kai einai oxi mono istorika alla kai EPISTIMONIKA apodedigmeno (milgram experiment, stanford prison experiment ktl.) oti opoios exei perissoteri eksousia apo tous ypoloipous h exei analavi ena siggekrimeno rolo ton opoio tou epivaloun oi anoteroi tou, xestike gia tous ypoloipous...
chrisls07 3 years ago
Πολυ ενδιαφερον,το πειραμα του Στανφορντ το ειχα ακουστα, για το milgram δεν ηξερα..
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
Προσπαθησα να στειλω εναμηνυμα,δεντο επερνε,πιθανον με εχεις κανει μπλοκ,Αφου δεν με αφηνεις να αναπτυξω τη σκεψη μου,και μετα απο την ερωτηση μου για να δω μεχρι που εχεις φτασει να συνεχισω,παρακαλω σβησε τα προηγουμενα μηνυματα μου απο εδω.Ευχαριστω
haoma13 3 years ago
Μπα, ο browser σου η η συνδεση σου θα ειχαν καποιο προβλημα,δεν μπλοκαρω κανεναν.
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
Exete diavasei pote klasiki yparxistiki filosofia?
haoma13 3 years ago
what the hell is that?
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
Otan lew klasiki yparxistikh ennow apo ekei poy xekinisan ola toys klasikoys ellines filosofoys
haoma13 3 years ago
N kanw mia ilithia,stegni,axrwmi,agathi asxeti me t auto katheauto thema, erwtisi.(Gt k gw tous idious problimatismous exw, tis idies sizitiseis anoigw me atoma p isws mporw na parw kapoia apantisi ktl)Otan milate gia tetoiou eidous themata"Niwthete"pws mporoun na exoun ousiastiki efarmogi?Egw oxi.K 2 pragmata mporei na simbainoun:Exw sapisei(mazi me tin koinwnia)toso p pleon dn blepw fws or exw tromeri antilipsi kai ontws einai pleon arga(k an ginei kati tha ginei tixaia,opws panta).Elpizw to 1
Xalarasalonika 3 years ago
Οχι ρε,υπαρχουν 2-3 ρευματα αναρχισμου που προτεινουν την δομη της μετεπαναστατικης κοινωνιας, και 3 τροποι δρασης μεσα στην καπιταλιστικη κοινωνια για να επιτευχθει η ιδια η επανασταση.
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
Αυτά τα πράγματα είναι χαζομαρούλες Δε γίνεται να αποκτήσει όλη η ανθρωπότητα ταυτόσημη ιδεολ. σκέψη γιατί απλά ο κάθε άνθρωπος σκέφτεται διαφορετικά Επομένως οδηγούμαστε στο σοσιαλιστικό δικτατορικό για μένα καθεστώς που θα προστατεύει την καθαρότητα της ιδεολογίας
ArisVelouhiotis13 3 years ago
AvP???? ......
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AvP!??
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
Σε επίπεδο φανταστικού σεναρίου εννοώ... ;-)
ArisVelouhiotis13 3 years ago
Ρε συ ΑΥΤΕΣ ΑΚΡΙΒΩΣ ΤΙΣ ΑΠΟΡΕΙΕΣ είχα και εγώ!!!
Και δεν πετυχαίνουν τίποτε άλλο απο το να αποδεικνύουν πόσο ουτοπική και ανεφάρμοστη ιδεολογία είναι η αναρχία. Είναι ιδεολογία αντίδρασης και ΟΧΙ λύσης...
ArisVelouhiotis13 3 years ago
Οπα,ηρεμησε.. Στις περισσοτερες ερωτησεις εχω λαβει ικανοποιητικες απαντησεις!
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
Εγώ πάλι τις θεωρώ παράλογες. Το να είναι όλοι "ιδεολογικά όμοιοι" είναι κάτι σα το σενάριο του
Alien vs Predator. Εδώ μια Σοβ. Ένωση και απέτυχε να μεταδώσει όμοια ιδεολογική σκέψη. Πόσο μάλλον μια χώρα με ανύπαρκτο κρατισμό...
ArisVelouhiotis13 3 years ago
woah, sovarh syzhthsh kai dh sovarh POLITIKH syzhthsh sto youtube. prospathw mono na fantastw posa trolls hlthan kai aplhlthan edw :p
Katsarola 3 years ago
προς εκπληξη μου και εμενα,το επιπεδο κρατηθηκε υψηλο!
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
Gia to 2.Tha sou pw allh fora giati paw na kanw mpanio :P
6Sinisterthoughts6 3 years ago
Gia to 4.Xmmm,gia to a) exw thn entypwsh oti apla prepei na exeis diavasei poly kai gia ton anarxismo kai gia ton koummoounismo.Oi diafores sthn ideologia tha einai kai praktika diafores.Gia to b)...Proswpika pistevw oti mono mesw ths vias tha epelthei h allagh.Katastrofh gia dhmiourgia.
6Sinisterthoughts6 3 years ago
Gia to 3,oi mpatsoi einai oi kyrioi antiproswpoi ths eksousias,tou systhmatos oti dhladh enas anarxikos apex8anetai...Giafto o antimpatsismos kai oi odomaxies..To koinoboulio einai ergaleio ths dhmokratias.Gia to e) exeis kapio dikio alla h eleytheria(an mh ti allo mia afhrhmenh enoia)katexei mia poly shmantikh thesh sthn ideologia kathe anarxikou.Symfwnw apolyta oti prepei na xtyphsoume ton kapitalismo kathws einai h phgh olwn twn kakwn.
6Sinisterthoughts6 3 years ago
Oson afora to 1,den tha yparxoyn antiepanastatika kinhmata klp,giati akrivws OLOI tha pistevoyn ston anarxismo kai oxi epeidh etsi toys eipan alla epeidh pragmatika thn exoyn psaksei kai exoun katalhksei monoi tous xwris ekswterikes epidraseis oti afto einai to katalhlo "politeyma".Kai afth thn stigmh h opoia xwra dn einai etoimh gia kati tetoio.Einai,eimaste, oi perissoteroi pneymatika anwrimoi gia kati tetoio(giafto milame kai gia epagrypnhsh klp).Twra posa ghamhmena xronia 8eloyme dn kserw
6Sinisterthoughts6 3 years ago
opoiadhpote koinwnia xreiazetai ena themeliako systhma nomwn.H ANARXIA EINAI KI AYTH SYSTHMA.KATaLAVE TO.systha omws pou de vasizetai sthn ekmetalleysh tou anthrwpou.
tripoutroupas 3 years ago
Ηρεμησε ανθρωπε μου,δεν διαφωνω,αλλα θα ελεγα οτι ειναι κοινωνικο συστημα και οχι νομικο..Τον νομικο συστημα ειναι υποσυνολο του κοινωνικου.
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
poio einai to tagoudi pou exeis valei, pes TWRA !!!
tripoutroupas 3 years ago
In Flames acoustic medleyyyyyy!
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
h kommounistikh methodos sthn kaluterh,agnoterh periptwsh tha pragmatwsei kai tha sthrixei thn outopia ek twn panw kai e3w,dhladh me dikaious nomous pou tha epivallontai sta atoma.vlepoume kai shmera omws oti panta ena pio
"ponhro" atomo mporei na ksegelasei p.x. kapoio allo,akoma ki entos twn plaisiwn twn nomwn.sthn kommounistikh praktikh o anthrwpos prospathei na vrei tous teleious nomous kai na tous epivallei.vlepoume dhladh,oti o anthrwpos katalhgei na yphretei tous nomous.
tripoutroupas 3 years ago
οχι..καμια σχεση.Κατ αρχας ο κομμουνισμος ειναι οικονομικο συστημα,τι νομους μου λες?
Αναφερεσαι στον μαρξισμο λενινισμο?
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
mia einai h apanthsh se oles tis erwthseis sou. to na eisai anarxikos shmainei panw apo ola na eisai ensuneidhta kalos an8rwpos.kai mh mou peis oti auto einai ypokeimeniko.einai mono en merei.GIATI YPARXEI KAI ANTIKEIMENIKA MIA GRAMMH ANAMESA STO KALO KAI TO KAKO.kai,telika,ka8e kinhma krinetai apo tis praxeis twn suneidhtwn uposthrixtwn tou.p.x. to punk de 8a to krineis ap'ton tuxarpasto figouratzh,alla apo auton pou me psyxrh logikh kai thermo pa8os to exei gnwrisei.
tripoutroupas 3 years ago
Ωωωχ ωχ μαλλον εμπιπτεις στις κατηγοριες που ανεφερα στην εισαγωγη...Ελεος!?
Τι πανκ μου λες ρε,πας καλα γαμωτο!?
Σοβαρα τωρα,αν θες να αυτοαποκαλεισαι αναρχικος διαβασε κανενα βιβλιο,μπορω να σου προτεινω μερικα.
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
to prwto ka8ara anarxiko vivlio pou diavasa htan h istoria tou maxnovitikou kinhmatos(polloi "anarxikoi" oute pou 3eroun kati allo ektos ths ispanias), 12 XRONWN! me DOULEUEIS???
tripoutroupas 3 years ago
ΟΤΑΝ ΛΕΣ "το πανκ δεν θα το κρινεις[..]" ΤΙ ΠΕΡΙΜΕΝΕΙΣ ΝΑ ΥΠΟΘΕΣΩ!?
Τελοσπαντων.
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
:) So...did u get any good answers ?
ZeeFerKooL 3 years ago
Not for every question.
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
Ligi bia isos na einai lisi(lektiki, sindikalistiki,nomiki,kallitexniki). Alla propaganda of the deed fasi stin epoxi mas mono arnitika apotelesmata mporei na exei. I mipos ennoeis kati allo.
nietzschecamus13 3 years ago
Propaganda of the deed εννοωντας?
Οχι μονο τετοιου ειδους βια,αλλα και φυσικη βια..ο δρομος δεν ειναι στρωμενος με ροδοπεταλα και οι καπιταλες θα δαγκωσουν αγρια για να διατηρησουν το εκμεταλευτικο συστημα.
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
gia ton reformismo.Giati? Pragmati xreiazetai opos ellege kai o mpakounin kati na ginei prota staxti kai meta na anagennthei(opos kai stin ithiki). Exalou anagennisi xoris thanato den ifistatai.Alla kati tetoio xreiazetai anapofefkta poli bia.
nietzschecamus13 3 years ago
Ισως ναι,ισως οχι.Αλλα πιθανοτατα ναι,χρειαζεται βια,επειδη σε περιπτωση επαναστασης θα πρεπει να υπεραμυνθουμε του δικιου μας.
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
Στο τελος ομως ο αναρχισμος μαλλον ατομικη παρα κοινωνικη επανασταση εμελλε να ειναι. Πραγματι, ,μια πιο ρεφορμιστικη κοινωνικη επανασταση (εμπαργκο, συνδικαλισμος, δημιουργια συλλογου καταναλωτων) ισως να ηταν πιο αποτελεσματικη.
nietzschecamus13 3 years ago
Εδω διαφωνουμε :]
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
Δε νομιζω οτι ο durruti ο ferrer η goldman και ο Μαχνο περιοριστηκαν απο τις ατελεις μεθοδους επαναστασης που προτειναν οι αναρχικοι θεωρητικοι.
nietzschecamus13 3 years ago
Τωρα ακομα κι αν οι αναρχικοι υποθετικα υπακουν στις αρχες του kropotkin bakunin godwin spooner tucker η οποιουδηποτε αλλου, αυτο δε θα πει οτι θα πρεπει να ακολουθουνται σα θρησκεια, εξαλλου αυτη δεν ειναι η ιδεα του αναρχισμου.
nietzschecamus13 3 years ago
Ναι,εκει εχω καταληξει κι εγω.
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
πολυ σωστα διατυπωμενο. Συμφωνω απολυτα. Αν και πιστευω ακραδαντα πως το αναρχικο ρευμα του 19ου αιωνα τουλαχιστον καλλιτεχνικα και φιλοσοφικα αποτελει μια πολυ ρομαντικη και ρηξικελευθη ιδεολογια που επετρεψε στους ανθρωπους να σκεφτονται πιο ελευθερα.
nietzschecamus13 3 years ago
Τι είδους απάντηση περιμένεις; Γραπτή; Σε βίντεο; Κάπως δύσκολο. Το youtube δεν σχεδιάστηκε ως χώρος συζητήσεων.
RageTMGr 3 years ago
Θελω απαντηση στα σουηδικα,με γραμματοσειρα Verdana,μεγεθος 33 και χρωμα μπλε,γραμμενη με το αριστερο χερι σε δερμα παρθενου αγριου βισωνα.
Οπως μπορεις ρε τι με ρωτας.. =Ρ
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
Αυτό λέω ρε. Ότι μέσα απ'το γιουτούμπ (sic) είναι κομμάτι δύσκολο. Αντέγραψέ το στο indymedia και όποιος καλοθελητής βρεθεί πρώτος θα σου απαντήσει.
RageTMGr 3 years ago
will do
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
Τι έκανες με αυτό? Βλέπω από Κάτω πολλές απαντήσεις.. Πόντος γενικά βλέπω ότι η γνώσεις σου πάνω σε φιλοσοφικό επίπεδο για την αναρχία και την αυτονομία είναι αρκετά ελλιπείς. Και το ότι είσαι στην κνε θα κάνει τα πράγματα ποιο δύσκολα.. (χωρίς παρεξήγηση)
overkill2024 3 years ago
wtf..! Lol.
Ετσι κ ετσι οι απαντησεις,αν θελεις απαντα (λεπτομερως ομως).
Ελα ρε εγω νομιζω εχω φτασει σε αρκετα καλο επιπεδο.Οταν λεω 'questions for anarchists" δεν εννοω οτι δεν εχω ιδεα γιατα θεματα αυτα, απλα δεν με πειθουν,κ προσπαθω να καταλαβω τα πραγματα απο την σκοπια σας.
Να σου πω.. Πως ειναι τα αγγλικα σου?
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
PM! :-P
overkill2024 3 years ago
Χαχααα, μπορω να βγαλω το PM αυτο σε πλειστηριασμο στο φασισταριο του youtube!
:P
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
Though a pro free-market individualist, I have some input for you:
Why the assumption that "workers' communities" would be inefficient in facing any given chalenge? Without their existance being backed by force paid by resources extracted from others against their (the "others'") will, those in the WCs would have every incentive to be efficient and effective - challenge breeds adaptation.
Military: How are quick decisions made by any person - whether part of a group or not?
blackacidlizzard 3 years ago
Why reject democratic centralism? Because 51 percent of a population having the "moral authority" to murder on a whim is sickening.
blackacidlizzard 3 years ago
Anti-police madness? Hatred of kidnappers and murderers, rejection of the total reversal of morality claimed when one dons a uniform - these seem to me anything but madness. policemen are a constant reminder of "our place" in the eyes of those who rule. One is immediately manuvered into a defenseless position when a lawman takes an interest - and to refuse any order is to invite death at the hands of one who will have acted properly in the eyes of "the law".
blackacidlizzard 3 years ago
The freedom or lack thereof to act on one's own concience is quite physcially concrete.
On 5b - Do you mean all violence, or initiated violence? Failure to follow orders will bring the thugs to your door. And no one ever secured freedom by letting themselves be murdered (despite the pro passive resistance spin-job done on certain historical events.
blackacidlizzard 3 years ago
Well we all agree that defensive violence is justified, but what about offence?
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
I see no need for offensive force. Once it is made clear that certain people are intent upon murdring you, preventing those people from doing so is siply self self defense (same for instances of third-party defense).
Stop obeying those in power, they will move to kill you. Defend yourself effectively and most people I have met will call you a murderer when you have only acted in self defense.
blackacidlizzard 3 years ago
I see no justification for initiating force, save for in sure foreknowledge that force will be initiated by the other... but... if one person or group (grouped by actions of the individuals, not by mere genetic, geographic or nebulous "clutural" or "religious" identities) has made it clear they will kill you, so you move to kill them first... who is really the initiator?
blackacidlizzard 3 years ago
well it would be very hard to make people see that, as we (and you) have a difficulty in even making them understand the basic exploitation system of capitalism.
i dont see why a moral value (such as pacifism) should prevent the chance of liberation.
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
"...we (and you) have a difficulty in even making them understand the basic exploitation system of capitalism."
By capitalism you mean what, exactly? I love the free market... never really seen it outside of specific types of interactions or a few specific people, though.... and the fascist / mercantilist crap that the "stars and stripes" wavers call capitalism is a deeply evil way of conducting affairs, indeed.... General Dynamics... Depatment of Defense... nuff said, I think.
blackacidlizzard 3 years ago
If you can ,can you explain briefly how woulda market system work in an anarchst society,and how it would not generate exploitation?
mauroprovatos 3 years ago
Well, I'd have to know what you beliueve exploitation to consist of.
If I refuse to give resourses to a person severely lacking in resources (or requiring them immediately to avoid death) is this an act of agression?
If I pay a person an agreed upon amount of resources for an agreed upon resource / service from him, is it exploitative If I have figured out the lowest price he will accept?
Perhaps you can explain what kinds of exploitation you would expect from an unregulated economy?
blackacidlizzard 3 years ago