Is the appendix harmful? It used to have a function, but now it has none, and it can become inflamed, rupture and kill us. Religion invites mockery and ridicule upon itself because its tenet and claims are ridiculous.
And we don't demand an end to big business because it doesn't condemn us to an eternity of pain and torment if we don't accept it. Religion is receding because we see no evidence of God's existence. Can anyony show some evidence?
I read most comments and I find it weird that people are only pointing out flaws with Christianity. I am an atheist and I think that any religion is bad, worst being Christianity and Islam in my opinion
Ok, I ignore religion and it's followers and examine the concept of a god.
Hmm. God, as most claims go, is a supernatural being.
I have in my life seen no evidence that shows the truth of a supernatural being or a supernatural realm or anything purported to be of a supernatural nature that is not easily explained in the physical world.
There is no evidence for a god, I don't think he/she/it exists.
Thanks for helping me to clarify that in my own mind Dan.
@joestfrancois Space is a supernatural realm. Dan even explains that if space is eternal, wouldn't you agree that's supernatural? If it's not eternal, where or whom did it come from? How is that explained by the 'physical world?' Maybe you know something the whole world has been waiting to hear, please share?
Uh, no. Space is very much a part of the physical world. Your lack of explanation, or simple assertion without supporting evidence does not make it supernatural. I personally do not know. Why does it have to be a "whom" that made it? Why can't it be eternal? Nothing that I have seen or heard of in my lifetime supercedes this physical world. You got anything?
The issue I find with "God" is that we wouldn't be having this argument if it weren't for religious texts. Everything you know about "God" was influenced by a book very much unknown in nature. It's madness, it's like reading YouTube comments and stating they are true because they were written thousands of years ago. If a "God: actually existed you would think he would be able to point out what is true so as to not leave us guessing which religious text is legitimate. The Christian god is a myth.
This is actually a good point. I believe that the bible is fictional, but that doesn't mean that I can't take portions of it that I like and apply them to my own life. The teachings of Jesus Christ, for example, are MOSTLY valuable lessens that we can all agree with.
Being a non believer this also allows me to pick and choose which parts I like (love thy neighbour) and disregard the hateful bits (burn the homosexuals), unlike Christians who must somehow integrate all of it into a way of life.
The fact is people choose religion because it is forced upon them as a child. You are BRAINWASHED from an early age which creates narrow minded people. People who believe in religion are the most close minded people because if they were open minded to other religion they would be committing a sin. Religion is complete shit. I grew up in a devout catholic family but they never really forced the religion on me which created my mind to stay open and see the MANY flaws behind every religion.
I agree with u, partially. The concept of religion is not that bad as it gives hope to people and there are some good things about it but when people start to say that the bible version of facts are better than the tested scientific ones and that every word in that book is true, that's when the problem starts. And I don't have a problem with the concept of god, I just have problem with the concept of god presented, taught and forced BY MAN!!!
Saying religion has nothing to do with a creator/designer deity's existence; is an argument that makes sense. But the question then arises, why doesn't God show up so that we may believe in him? How can he say he is all loving if he doesn't show up? Thats where the argument falls to the floor, because not showing up is neglectful, and neglecting his creation isn't something a God who always loves, could possibly do.
It is clear you don't understand why atheists are atheists; you say there is a god - until you prove it - we don't believe he/she/it exists. So this is the reason and not because of some "predisposed idea or feeling"...
More inane, meaningless absurdity from a YouTube submental. Who said atheists reject the god hypothesis because there are bad aspects to religion? I'm waiting... That's right - nobody! Well, nobody except you. This is a strawman argument. I know, you know what that means. But if you know, why did you use it? Athesits reject the idea of god becuase of the lack of positive evidence in favour of god. It's like arguing Santa exists because of all the good things about Christmas! Doh!
nice video.that leaves ur opinion in the middle.i mean my opinion and the ppl s opinions to.but i think most people have a problem with the angry god we read about in the bible,and christians often say dont trust only your gut feeling,but trust the word of god,,,,but they themselves go by feelings only.cause they dwell on the feeling they had when they first got saved,and they never bothered to seek if its true.thats what i have against it.
Yes there is a chance that a designer created the universe but there is an equal chance of not being one. And Adolf Hitler was a Catholic by the way. The fact that religion has many many flaws means that if there is a God he is not your God and he is nobody elses God. If a God exists it is a God that created the universe and did absolutely nothing afterwards because there is NO evidence of intelligent design and NO evidence of supernatural interference with the natural world. Have a nice day. :)
Knowing that a "creator" exists says nothing about who &/or what it is.
If you prove intelligent design, you still have all your work ahead of you if you are a theist.
I really don't get why theists bother with ID. If they did prove ID correct, they would still have to prove their specific god afterwards, & you know damn well that's what they would try to do next.
Why not kill 2 birds with one stone? If you prove a specific god, you prove ID by default.
I think you're in serious danger of building a straw-man here. While many atheists do, as you say, admit to an anti-establishment attitude with respect to religion, they will mostly *also* say that they specifically don't believe in God due to lack of evidence. By objecting to their anti-religious agenda you do nothing to address the absolute lack of proof of God. The closest you come is to claim some sort of Aristotlean need for a terminus to the infinite regression, which is weak at best.
When most Atheist say Religion is bad, they are more frequently referring to, things like Christianity, and Islam, this is because of their devotion to using a book as a moral compass, which leads to many issues.
Almost every Atheist I know including myself are fine with Agnostic people, and semi religious people, it's more focused on the ones that attempt to follow it to the letter, which are more then many.
Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given 2 the profane masses is another useful idiot 4 Jesuit machinations
Jesuitical; pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system 2 suit their Evo-Hoax Agenda to discredit the Bible
Papal Rome cant have their Counter Reformation 2nd Dark Age DESPOTISM until Bible is destroyed
Your logic is flawed. I don't believe in god because there is no evidence supporting a single creator. That has nothing to do with religion. I will accept intelligent design when you can bring me a testable hypothesis. So far, all intelligent design has come up with is "I can't explain it, therefore god".
Science relies on repeatable tests for everything else (including evolution). Intelligent design doesn't get a free pass just because it requires faith.
I would say that you have assumed too little on the part of atheists. I think a lot of atheists think that religion is over all bad. They also realise the existence of god as an integral part of this (in their opinion) bad thing. They also recognise there is no more reason for god to exist than a fairy. Hence they point this out as a reason to not believe in god, and hence religion. If successful, the result is that less people follow a bad doctrine. I think you have taken it the wrong way round
The only problem I have with ID is that it cant stand up to peer review . If any credible evidence that could stand up peer review and the scientific process, I would have no problem accepting it. it would still not prove the existance of a super natrual being.
I cant prove thats gods dont exist but I can prove the one you think is real isnt't
I am an atheist , wich means (to me) i do not believe that any existing religious belief system is correct and i reject them untill enough evidence is presented to change my mind. I agree with this video (others of yours i do not) and i think it is well said. I think the holocaust and atheism comparison is a bit weak (I suspect you know why it is weak) , other than that i think you nailed this vid. Bravo!
I am a unitarian christian and I have atheist friend. Using thunderf00t and condell are not an example of atheists in general or nor is dawkins. Would wehn I have skype want a discussion about this over skype
-->the one in the bible ( or do you really think of the guy who lets people be tortured forever because they used their free will when you pray?). So I don t think that you NEED religion. You don t need it to be good, to believe in god or to go into heaven (if that s what you want). The only thing religion does is taking your money and controlling you. Nobody needs that.
--> And those people would still have done good deeds without religion. Basicly atheists shouldn t be concerned about religion, but we are way more concerned about it then about your belief in god. Why? Because we think that believing in god AND beeing part of a religion makes you an easy target for people who seek to control you and actially, no christian (but the WBC) believes in the god of the bible, because he is a lunatic. Everybody believes in his very own and more perfect god then -->
First of all I must say that I do appreciate your approach on this topic (eliminating bias and predjudices) , but you should have also told theist to open their minds because usually they re brains are more likely to be in "I-am-not-listening-because-I-have-to-protect-my-belief-from-the-evil-atheists-mode"...
Secondly, I appreciate your honesty about the dangers of religions.
And finally: As an atheist I think that all the good done in the name of religion was done by good people. -->
There are several reasons I don't believe in God. And, guess what? Religion being bad has nothing to do with it. Primarily, though, the main reason I don't believe in God is because I have no reason to. I have more reason to not believe in God then to believe in God. That's like saying there's an invisible magical unicorn living deep in space. Absurd? Yes. Yet, can you prove that it doesn't exist? No. Does that make it real? The answer is an obvious one.
@GodLowDown I agree with this video a lot, because Atheists do tend to be biased against religion. Now, there is one problem I have: You seem to make sound like only Atheists believe in Darwinism and Evolution. Charles Darwin was not an atheist. He, himself, even said that. I believe he was Agnostic Theist, but I might be wrong. Anyway, point is: There are theists that do believe in Evolution. And there are atheists that don't believe in evolution.
@VirtualBoyGamerShow Charles Darwin was agnostic, he was a christian until his daughter died at 8 years old (I could be wrong about the age). Also, can you give me an example of an atheist that doesnt believe in evolution? Im open minded and would be happy to hear of an atheist wou doesnt believe in evolution.
@starfannumberone Well, I can't give an exact xample of an atheist who doesn't believe in evolution. But remember, the definition of atheist is a "lack of belief in God." That says nothing about Evolution or Darwinism. It is extremely hard to find an atheist who doesn't except evolution. But, it's not impossible. Evolution and Creationism are the two major theories of our existance, but they are not the only. I'm sure there are atheists that cling to those other, less known theories.
Theists just don't get it. Atheism isn't a view. It is nothing more than a lack of a belief in god. That's it. No dogma. No ancient text written by primitive people. It's just a lack of belief in a god - any god, not just yours. Deal with it...if you can.
WTF Im not trying to trick my into being an atheist. I dont like religion period religion has nothing to do with god! Im not saying their is no god I DONT KNOW THAT and i probably will never know so im not gonna go around saying i know god and all that bs!
A wall goes up in an atheist's mind, so basically you're saying atheists become somewhat close minded and will say or do anything to protect their views? Do you have any idea how hypocritical that sounds? That basically sums up religious people....Because if you could logically reason with someone who's had any religion pounded into their head as a child; its basically impossible to reason with these people.
@barrius1234 Yep. I long ago realized there isn't much difference between Religious zealots and Atheists. They respond to contrary evidence and opinion in exactly the same way.
@GodLowDown The problem I have with religion is that it is selfish and deluded and even though it has many good traits we don't need it. Mankind is capable of doing far more good in the world if it is not religiously biased. Also what is the point of an after life why would a god put people on the earth for a length of time that only amounts to a tiny percentage of the earths existence it does not make sense. God is fictional that is why athiests don't like him being idolised
@GodLowDown That may be true to some extent; everyone wants to protect themselves, including intellectually. But that isn't to say that atheists and religious people are the same in general.
Religion has brought us 2 good things. The art it has inspired, and people trying to be compassionate. BUT don't you think it's completely vain that it takes people to blindly follow a invisible man in the sky to show that we care about each other?! Life is precious. Don't waste it following a fiction character.
Actually my favorite pastime is living life to the fullest without any concerns for God, Heaven or Hell. I am happy with my beliefs and I understand people who believe in God, I just don't accept it.At this point in time we should just let it go and avoid discussions,we have our explantions and you have yours.I care for everyone, regardless of what they are
its like saying voldomort doesn't exist because you dont like harry potter or you dont believe the autobots fighting the decepticons somewhere out there in the universe cos you dont like michael bay...
Please look at things from our perspective. Let's assume god doesn't exist. Then the crusades raid cities and kill many thousands of people. At the time of inquisition, people slaughtered millions of people. On 9/11, 3,000 people died which started a war that killed a million more people so far. All of this was done because people believe in god. Doesn't that make you angry? We aren't saying that god doesn't exist because religion is bad, but people are can be epicly evil because of religion/god
The problem with religions (and the faith in God that drives them all) is that they share in common the encouragement of believe in sets of facts without any tangible proof whatsoever. The many follies of the organized religions are based on these totally unprovable precepts. OK, so you believe in a God that has nothing to do with man-made religions. Well, then there is nothing you can say about God that is conceivable as any sort of absolute truth. So, then, there is *practically* no God.
Wasn't jesus being tortured and killed the whole point of God's plan for his son? Surely his torture and death are the greatest thing ever in the mind of a Christian? They should be ecstatically happy and proclaiming how awesome it is that he was tortured and killed, as it fulfilled God's will?
How is this religion being bad? It's religion being a direct manifestation of God's will!
so religion has really convinced people.. that theres an invisble man living in the sky who watches everything you do every minute and every day.. and the invisble man has a special list of 10 things he does not want you to do and if u do any of these 10 things.. he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning, torture and anguish where he will send you to live, to suffer, to burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever till the end of time..... BUT HE LOVES YOU!?
We used religions for our Politics, Jesus Christ was punished cz he was a threat for Roman Empire because he believe in helping poor, Muhammad was punished because he became great danger for the wealth and power of Arabs. Muhammad talk about rights of poor, orphans, women, children and even animals. Religions came for Men but how can politicians want the rights of poor?
you clearly have no idea what the nature of atheism is. beginning your video with a strawman will not win any converts
The flaws of religion are suggestive of the flaws of their underlying premises: there is a god. You say that god opens a can of worms, well divine providence would prevent him this folly
lastly, there is no evidence of gods existence. This is the foundational tenant of atheism, not a rejection of god based on the flaws of religion. atheism is harder to refute than your strawman
Hitler despised atheists he often associated them with his enemy (Russia), he often spoke about doing gods work. The first half of this video wasn't bad then the terrible comparisons came out. Really need to put more thought into a video before you waste time on it.
Okay, say that intelligent design is true, and the theories of evolution, abiogenisis, micro and macro evolution, darwinism, the big bang, ect are completely false. Which God/gods in history are the true creators? Just curious.
Believing in a god isn't the issue here, it's religion. I don't give a shit what you believe as long as you come to your own conclusions about existence and don't try to force your beliefs onto others. Buying into a set of beliefs as dictated by an organization or book is just stupid and ignorant. So lets get shit straight here. Religion is stupid. It essentially murders free thought. Thinking there is a grand deity who created existence isn't stupid. That's just your philosophical theory.
@dragonfighter4171 I don't know about any "bomb", or whatever you are trying to say. I do know that for you English is a second language, and you suck at it! You believe in talking snakes, and then you want people to take you seriously.
@glennheston Well, the big bang or some crap. And no, I do not believe in "talking snake". The talking snake is the devil. It's better than "Nothing made us. It's just giant explosion". It's made more sense than god created the universe.
@dragonfighter4171 You do believe in a talking snake, you just said it was the devil!Therefore, you believe that a snake did at some point talk. I do not believe any snake ever talked, period! "It's made more sense than god created the universe." What the hell does this mean? Could you please get someone who can speak English to help you?
So what I got out of this video is that atheists are misinformed because they don't accept a deist point of view? I don't get it. Can someone explain?
I have never studied religion and I don't believe in god.
But this is only because the idea of a god is just so fucking ridiculous and ignorant.
Philosophically and scientifically a god does not make sense nor can one exist.
sorry but this video is a huge fail.
Btw nice hypocrisy by saying ignore the religious nutjobs, but then you present atheist nutjobs to support your argument. Fucking fail good sir, fucking fail
@TerraceArchimedes Actually it is. It would be like if I claimed to you that every person views his or her life right before he or she drowns (this was actually a commonly held belief before). Why would you believe that?
Well you wouldn't because that is just plain ridiculous. You can't prove it or disprove it either.
The idea of god is so childish. To believe it, you must be extremely naive.
@fcdog555 It doesn't matter if you are willing to or not. I believe in God because I think there is much harmony and complexity in the universe for they're not to be an intelligent cause. I don't believe in any particular God because how could we possibly understand such a being? Although the God of Pantheism is rather appealing.
@BrianPSTJ Then you have separated yourself from any argument on God.
If I say complexity and harmony are simply intrinsic properties of nature, you will simply come back with labeling something that is in fact intrinsic as evidence for god.
You seriously think just because there is complexity there has to be god?
How can you not see how silly that is.
That assumes way to much. You have to assume there is a god first to make your claim and thus it is a fallacy.
@fcdog555 Chill out, you don't have to believe in God if you don't want to. Terrace didn't want to answer your question so I did. To say they are intrinsic properties doesn't mean that something didn't make them so. Even Einstein saw this complexity and realized there was something or another behind it. So did Anthony Flew. I just don't think that two colliding branes could create something so amazing and complex.
@BrianPSTJ Interesting because one of Einsteins quotes was that the only thing incomprehensible about the universe is that it is comprehensible. Which quite honestly destroys your erroneous effort to resort to authoritative arguments.
But sorry, anyone who says "I see complexity, therefore god," is quite ignorant isn't he?
That is not an argument for god in any sense and anyone using it as so is ignorant.
@fcdog555 Actually Einstein was a Deist, at most. How is someone ignorant if they see the complexity and amazing design in the universe and think it should be attributed to a designer? You are drawing personal conclusions based on your personal opinion just as I am, except you feel the need to be a total dick about it. Complex things can be understood, that doesn't make them any less complex.
@BrianPSTJ Yup and that's why you can find quotes of him calling himself an agnostic huh?
And who said design was apparent? Don't be ridiculous. If you want to say a designer did it, he must have did one hell of a bad job.
Sorry but there is no design or anything supernatural. Leave cosmology to the scientists like myself. Don't make your OWN personal conclusions on fallacies.
Jesus Christ. Even it did look designed, that doesn't prove anything. My lord that is ignorant to state. And here's why
Say for example you go on a beach and come across a structure of rocks that so happen to look like a smiley face. But here is the catch. Let us say I saw it form naturally due to the waves. So here we have an example where a naturally developed thing that looks designed. Therefore the whole "if it looks designed, god did it" is obviously extremely ignorant and ridiculous to claim.
Religion should be bashed. It promotes lies in order to be good. Why not just be good. At least we admit Father Christmas isn't real to our kids. Who is there to tell us God is also fake....Atheists.
religion bad? depends, i know the lord angelica the one who truly made the word is a good creator.We should devote our lives to be good people with or without her.But many other gods that humans make up are evil vindictive gods who lie about how glorious they are.
no the problem with ID argument is that anyone who says it is pulling things out their ass.Things very well may have came out of nowhere or have always been here.So until we come across the experience of something creating universe stuff then we can talk
@sailornaruto39 to "atheist pastime #1": that might have to do with equal/more threats of hell.And it is also quite frankly because they9various religious claims) are kinda silly. You seem to want to discuss god in general but forgive me you points seem to have the underlying tone of defending chrisianity.Otherwise you wouldn't really see a problem.
Okay. Let's say God designed humans. Why did he choose to give us a spine that was not made for walking upright? That's poor craftmanship. It's a terrible idea to put food and breath in the same place. Why would a perfect being do that?
Also, genes and genetic diversity are extremely imperfect systems that cause a lot of pain. Why not make something more reliable?
God, as most people picture, does not exist. Another version may or may not, but that God doesn't give a darn bout humans.
@.45 "The theist begins to see the problems of the argument, that there probably isn't a creator, and then his or her brain is flooded with all the potential implications of accepting that likelihood and suddenly a wall goes up in the theist's mind and then from that point on he or she will employ whatever tactics are necessary to protect their views "
Richard Dawkins does not actually use the question of whether religion is good or bad to aid in his argument that god is unlikely to exist. In fact, he proposes that there are very often many benefits to believing in a supernatural being. But he states that whether it's beneficial to believe in such a being has nothing to do with whether or not that being actually exists. Instead, his argument against the likelihood of the existence of god is based on there being zero evidence for god
The point to scientific probabalism is nothing means anything. the general form of, this doesn't mean that, is practically ubiquitously true enough to be a hypnotic technique. For example, as you consider this argument, it doesn't mean you will go into a trance.
"suddenly a wall goes up in the Atheist's mind, and from that point on, he or she will do nothing but imploy whatever tactics are necessary to protect their veiws".....hmmm...and this is different from your view of atheism how?
a homicidal, genocidal, infacidal, incessant, racist slaver is good
that is why, because you think the psychopath that you worship is "good"
it says int eh bible, to only love your neighbor if they are also christian, if not you are to stone them to death and keep their children and wives as slaves.
I'm agnostic.. i have nothing against people who believe as long as they don't push thir belief on others.. i do not believe in the christian god because there is no evidence for him to exist, but there is no 100% evidence against him so i can't say that he doesn't.. but i simply hope that he/she/it doesn'. the christian god has been a douche throughout the bible and i don't feel like supporting someone who thinks youre sinful for having sex or showing cleavage or whatever..just dosnt feel right
All you have to do is understand what the term Atheist means - a lack of belief in a god. Why is there a lack of belief, because there is no evidence for one. Its really not that hard to understand, what I dont understand is this video. If god isnt defined by a religon, for example a theist god, then what god are you talking about. Are you talking about a force? Please define your god first before assuming we know what you are talking about.
hittler was a roman catholic. you were doing pretty damn good until you had to come up with that. HITLER WAS A ROMAN CATHOLIC YOU MORON, NOT AN ATHEIST.
@91lilfrozone23 Oh my god you're a fucking dumb ass. Get your fucking facts right you idiot. Hitler was a catholic who later started to lose faith in Christianity and converted to atheism. Also evolution is a part of Nazism. Evolution was taught to all the germen soldiers and they were told that Jews were the lowest form of beings. No matter what you believe, there will always be an asshole who will kill in the name of what he believes even if it's evolution.
1. Where did you get your "facts" from? I've studied this subject and I have never found a quote showing that Hitler became and Atheist.
I'm not one to insist he was a Catholic, even though he fits the Catholic Churches own definition of a Catholic, but he does appear to have believed in a god right up to the end.
2. Hitler did not believe in Evolution by Natural Selection, he did not understand it. And it was not taught to German soldiers.
In fact: "Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism (Häckel)." were banned in the "Guidelines from Die Bücherei (1935)".
BTW the public library blacklist included:
"All writings that ridicule, belittle or besmirch the Christian religion and its institution, faith in God, or other things that are holy to the healthy sentiments of the [German People]".
@kandtell these are somethings he said about Christianity. 9th April, 1942, dinner: "There is something very unhealthy about Christianity."
10th October, 1941, midday: "Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure."
Kinda funny how most "peaceful and loving atheist" think the same way as Hitler did. Do your research again buddy.
I have seen those quotes before, they show him to be Anti-Christianity, or at least anti the best parts of Christianity, "Love thy neighbor as thyself" that kind of thing.
They *do not* prove he was an Atheist.
For that you need a quote where he says that *all* religions are wrong.
I personally think from the way he talked about Manifest Destiny that he was making up his own religion. Perhaps he thought he *was* god.
Do you have a quote where he says *all* gods do not exists?
@kandtell Actually i do agree with you on one thing. He probably was beginning to think that he was god, but evolution being taught in Nazism is actually true. Search it up on Google.
OK, so turning to the "evolution being taught in Nazism is actually true" bit. Sorry, but no, this is not true.
Unless you can come up with something I have not seen before.
What they *were* taught was a form of Eugenics. At it's very basic level Eugenics can be thought of as part of the lead up to Darwinian Natural Selection, since it is a form of Artificial Selection and Artificial Selection was a big contributor to Darwin's idea of NS.
On a side note: from a historical perspective Eugenics is much older that Natural Selection since Eugenics was actually practised by the Spartans and is described in Plato's Republic.
But none of this amounts to the teaching of Evolution by Natural Selection.
Maybe it was taught in German Schools at the time.
But you are implying that it was taught as something special by order of Hitler and that's not true because Hitler did not understand Natural Selection.
There is a great quote of his somewhere where he manages to state the idea of Natural Selection and rejects it as crazy without realising that he was rejecting Darwinian Evolution.
If I find it I'll post it.
Mean time, if you can find any sources proving the following:
1. That Hitler understood Natural Selection.
2. That he thought it was correct.
and 3. That he advocated teaching it to German soldiers.
I'd be both interested and surprised.
But please make sure it's about Natural Selection!
This video is extremely insulting. It implies over and over again that people who do not believe that god exists are doing it because of personal emotional reasons and not giving the concept a fair amount of thought. Maybe the people are against religion because they actually came to the conclusion that it was more harmful than beneficial. Why wouldn't such people talk about the dangers of religion? And what evidence do you have that people in this video became atheists because of religion?
There's an awful lot of strawman arguments in this video.
You say in the beginning of the video that you will present arguments for god, where are they?
My own dislike for religion originates in the fact, that it gives people a worldview that is very different from the real world, which results in religious people making judgements and decisions they wouldn't otherwise make, like some of the actions showed in your video.
Religion is bad because it slows progress. It's as simple as that. There are still people out there who think the world is 6,000 years old, and that same-sex marriage is a bad thing. Also, we're born atheists, you're not taught one of 19 major religions until your parents "teach" you.
You know, you make good points and all, but debating atheism isn't what turns people to God. You could win every argument out there that attacks belief in God, but that itself does not have the power to save. Only the gospel does. That's all you need the share, the gospel. Only God turns men's hearts. - Romans 1:16
Ignoring the kids who think it is trendy to be an atheist, and spew crap.. not many of us really care if you believe in a god or not.
We care whether or not you are going to do stupid things because of this belief.
If you believe in a god, but not the dogma of religions, then I have no problem with your belief (kinda do, but just because I wish everyone held the most true beliefs and least false beliefs as possible). This is why pantheists and deists tend to get along with atheists better.
The first minute or so of this video is extremely condescending, just saying. ID arguments have been answered many many many times reasonably w/o bringing in any of the the things you claim are resorted to.
In regard to attacking the belief in god to rid the world of the evils of religion: It is simply the most efficient way (theoretically), attack the base of the belief, the whole thing comes crumbling down. If your belief in god is as irrational as some religions, it ought to be removed.
Most of us don't believe in religion simply because of all the ridiculous things in religion. For instance, the talking snake, men living 900 years old, and many of the hateful things that religion aspires to. It's not that we're bad people that hate God. We just can't believe some of the stuff being put out there. Thunderf00t and those like him more often wish to promote science and bring us out of dark age thinking, which is a good thing, we need that. (I am a skeptic, not an atheist)
Nice vid, interesting and has a couple of good points =]
but as you said in the vid, we shouldn't judge religions by their most extreme followers, and it is the same with atheism, yes there are atheist who want' to destroy religion,but they are not all of us.
I for one never though religion is all bad...for instance for centuries schools were in churches, and religion kept scientific development going.
And I believe tht most atheist are intelligent enough to believe in God if they god good proof
when i was atheist i didnt hate religion, and i didnt bash it. I didnt go around insulting people for believing in god. I was a genuine atheist, and secure about it. Because i just didnt care. The concept of a God seemed silly, and just never grabbed me. Ironically, it was science that turned me to God.
Of course, there is no prpod as of yet to deny the existence of God, but there is proof to deny the existence of the God of every religion on this planet. Simply by studying the bible, and comparing what God is with scientific rule, we can conclude that the Christian/Muslim/jewish God may exist, but is definitely not who they think he is.
Also, check out "The Collapse of Intelligent Design:Kenneth R. Miller Lecture" uploaded by "case". A Christian biologist explains why teaching evolution is important and why ID is not a valid idea.
Your video starts off by asking to put biases aside, then it accuses atheists of not objectively processing ID arguments. But ID is creationism, which is religious (Kitmiller vs Dover). From the debates I've seen, ID doesn't bring anything to the table. Nothing to test, can't falsify it. So without religion, there wouldn't be ID, because at the most, you can conclude that things appear designed.. but picking a designer depends on what religion you're in.
Wow I'm a Steelers fan so thanks for that! lol. I'm a Christian, I'm a member of a Christian church. Does the church have flaws? Of course is does! It is run by humans after all. But just like you said, just because the church has flaws, that doesn't mean that God doesn't exist. Religion is terrible, that's why I believe in the saying "no religion, just a relationship with God".
At first I thought this was a joke as it completely misses the point.
Disbelief in God does not come from a 'predisposed bias'.
To claim that someone only disagrees with you because they have 'emotional baggage' is arrogant. Your argument would be more credible if you didn't insult the intelligence of the opposition but rather acknowledge they have the same ability to 'objectively process' the arguments and came to a different conclusion.
It makes you look like you dont understand the argument.
i haven't met or watch an atheist that said they didn't believe a god or gods because religion was bad. most of them say they don't believe in a god or gods because there no evidence for there existence which leads me to believe that , that was a strowman argument
I don't believe in a god, not because I disagree with religious doctrine. It's because assuming there is a creator (on your terms) on the premise that "B-but there HAS to be!" without any actual hard evidence backing it up is (to quote you) well... dumb!
You are the quintessential religious defender. Hypocritical and blind, and even recognizing the fact that, well, simply THERE IS NO EVIDENCE for YOUR or ANY deity. You must know this.
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Goood stuff.. thanks
panicattacksymptoms1 5 days ago
Is the appendix harmful? It used to have a function, but now it has none, and it can become inflamed, rupture and kill us. Religion invites mockery and ridicule upon itself because its tenet and claims are ridiculous.
And we don't demand an end to big business because it doesn't condemn us to an eternity of pain and torment if we don't accept it. Religion is receding because we see no evidence of God's existence. Can anyony show some evidence?
kadene2 5 days ago
I read most comments and I find it weird that people are only pointing out flaws with Christianity. I am an atheist and I think that any religion is bad, worst being Christianity and Islam in my opinion
archis88 3 weeks ago
...This actually made me stop and think. Good video.
Myzaru 4 weeks ago
Okay. You can believe in god then.
iamfirstandlast 1 month ago
What a loaded video.
PhRiZoN 1 month ago
Ok, I ignore religion and it's followers and examine the concept of a god.
Hmm. God, as most claims go, is a supernatural being.
I have in my life seen no evidence that shows the truth of a supernatural being or a supernatural realm or anything purported to be of a supernatural nature that is not easily explained in the physical world.
There is no evidence for a god, I don't think he/she/it exists.
Thanks for helping me to clarify that in my own mind Dan.
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@joestfrancois Space is a supernatural realm. Dan even explains that if space is eternal, wouldn't you agree that's supernatural? If it's not eternal, where or whom did it come from? How is that explained by the 'physical world?' Maybe you know something the whole world has been waiting to hear, please share?
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@AeonFlexMusic "Space is a supernatural realm."
Uh, no. Space is very much a part of the physical world. Your lack of explanation, or simple assertion without supporting evidence does not make it supernatural. I personally do not know. Why does it have to be a "whom" that made it? Why can't it be eternal? Nothing that I have seen or heard of in my lifetime supercedes this physical world. You got anything?
joestfrancois 3 weeks ago
Has nobody noticed the hidden sandwich in this video??
GodLowDown 1 month ago
The issue I find with "God" is that we wouldn't be having this argument if it weren't for religious texts. Everything you know about "God" was influenced by a book very much unknown in nature. It's madness, it's like reading YouTube comments and stating they are true because they were written thousands of years ago. If a "God: actually existed you would think he would be able to point out what is true so as to not leave us guessing which religious text is legitimate. The Christian god is a myth.
shadowgui2000 1 month ago
I want to thank you for making rational and relevant discussion on religion.
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This is actually a good point. I believe that the bible is fictional, but that doesn't mean that I can't take portions of it that I like and apply them to my own life. The teachings of Jesus Christ, for example, are MOSTLY valuable lessens that we can all agree with.
Being a non believer this also allows me to pick and choose which parts I like (love thy neighbour) and disregard the hateful bits (burn the homosexuals), unlike Christians who must somehow integrate all of it into a way of life.
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that was a very thought provoking video and it was so eloquently made I'm glad somebody finally got to the root of this controversy.
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The fact is people choose religion because it is forced upon them as a child. You are BRAINWASHED from an early age which creates narrow minded people. People who believe in religion are the most close minded people because if they were open minded to other religion they would be committing a sin. Religion is complete shit. I grew up in a devout catholic family but they never really forced the religion on me which created my mind to stay open and see the MANY flaws behind every religion.
crazymanjonchin 1 month ago
I agree with u, partially. The concept of religion is not that bad as it gives hope to people and there are some good things about it but when people start to say that the bible version of facts are better than the tested scientific ones and that every word in that book is true, that's when the problem starts. And I don't have a problem with the concept of god, I just have problem with the concept of god presented, taught and forced BY MAN!!!
may007ank 2 months ago
May I ask why they took out bad parts of the bible to created what we now know as the New Testiment? I still don't understand it.
LukeDyton 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Saying religion has nothing to do with a creator/designer deity's existence; is an argument that makes sense. But the question then arises, why doesn't God show up so that we may believe in him? How can he say he is all loving if he doesn't show up? Thats where the argument falls to the floor, because not showing up is neglectful, and neglecting his creation isn't something a God who always loves, could possibly do.
spook79 2 months ago
Why should i believe or respect anything that can't provide any logical evidence to support its self? Please reply!
harleyadamson1 3 months ago
It is clear you don't understand why atheists are atheists; you say there is a god - until you prove it - we don't believe he/she/it exists. So this is the reason and not because of some "predisposed idea or feeling"...
An0maly777 3 months ago
More inane, meaningless absurdity from a YouTube submental. Who said atheists reject the god hypothesis because there are bad aspects to religion? I'm waiting... That's right - nobody! Well, nobody except you. This is a strawman argument. I know, you know what that means. But if you know, why did you use it? Athesits reject the idea of god becuase of the lack of positive evidence in favour of god. It's like arguing Santa exists because of all the good things about Christmas! Doh!
Tapiola2007 3 months ago
nice video.that leaves ur opinion in the middle.i mean my opinion and the ppl s opinions to.but i think most people have a problem with the angry god we read about in the bible,and christians often say dont trust only your gut feeling,but trust the word of god,,,,but they themselves go by feelings only.cause they dwell on the feeling they had when they first got saved,and they never bothered to seek if its true.thats what i have against it.
witchcerridwen 3 months ago
Yes there is a chance that a designer created the universe but there is an equal chance of not being one. And Adolf Hitler was a Catholic by the way. The fact that religion has many many flaws means that if there is a God he is not your God and he is nobody elses God. If a God exists it is a God that created the universe and did absolutely nothing afterwards because there is NO evidence of intelligent design and NO evidence of supernatural interference with the natural world. Have a nice day. :)
ojtheawesome 3 months ago
Not to mention that all ID arguments have been throughly debunked...
Zentz29 3 months ago
Knowing that a "creator" exists says nothing about who &/or what it is.
If you prove intelligent design, you still have all your work ahead of you if you are a theist.
I really don't get why theists bother with ID. If they did prove ID correct, they would still have to prove their specific god afterwards, & you know damn well that's what they would try to do next.
Why not kill 2 birds with one stone? If you prove a specific god, you prove ID by default.
Zentz29 3 months ago
For the sake of argument I will agree that some form of "creator" exists.
So what?
Religion is bad. You said it yourself.
From what I can see, atheists are bashing religion because it makes the world a worse place to live in.
Even if it was proved that some "creator" made the universe, I would still speak against religion in the exact same way.
Wether or not some form of "creator" exists is irrelevant when people are speaking against RELIGION.
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Zentz29 3 months ago
I think you're in serious danger of building a straw-man here. While many atheists do, as you say, admit to an anti-establishment attitude with respect to religion, they will mostly *also* say that they specifically don't believe in God due to lack of evidence. By objecting to their anti-religious agenda you do nothing to address the absolute lack of proof of God. The closest you come is to claim some sort of Aristotlean need for a terminus to the infinite regression, which is weak at best.
landonjhp 3 months ago
When most Atheist say Religion is bad, they are more frequently referring to, things like Christianity, and Islam, this is because of their devotion to using a book as a moral compass, which leads to many issues.
Almost every Atheist I know including myself are fine with Agnostic people, and semi religious people, it's more focused on the ones that attempt to follow it to the letter, which are more then many.
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Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given 2 the profane masses is another useful idiot 4 Jesuit machinations
Jesuitical; pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system 2 suit their Evo-Hoax Agenda to discredit the Bible
Papal Rome cant have their Counter Reformation 2nd Dark Age DESPOTISM until Bible is destroyed
SpencerBenedict2nd 4 months ago
Your logic is flawed. I don't believe in god because there is no evidence supporting a single creator. That has nothing to do with religion. I will accept intelligent design when you can bring me a testable hypothesis. So far, all intelligent design has come up with is "I can't explain it, therefore god".
Science relies on repeatable tests for everything else (including evolution). Intelligent design doesn't get a free pass just because it requires faith.
sparkypko 4 months ago
Hitler was a huge christian. . .
0019josh7100 4 months ago
all i can say is... OH PUHLEASE!
TheAtheistFuture 4 months ago
Alot of wars because of religion...
TheEducatedStranger 4 months ago
I would say that you have assumed too little on the part of atheists. I think a lot of atheists think that religion is over all bad. They also realise the existence of god as an integral part of this (in their opinion) bad thing. They also recognise there is no more reason for god to exist than a fairy. Hence they point this out as a reason to not believe in god, and hence religion. If successful, the result is that less people follow a bad doctrine. I think you have taken it the wrong way round
taitusmaximus87 4 months ago
U just said drop pre disposed bias and then justify ur bias
DerpdaDerp1 5 months ago
The only problem I have with ID is that it cant stand up to peer review . If any credible evidence that could stand up peer review and the scientific process, I would have no problem accepting it. it would still not prove the existance of a super natrual being.
I cant prove thats gods dont exist but I can prove the one you think is real isnt't
ManicMalcolm 5 months ago
I am an atheist , wich means (to me) i do not believe that any existing religious belief system is correct and i reject them untill enough evidence is presented to change my mind. I agree with this video (others of yours i do not) and i think it is well said. I think the holocaust and atheism comparison is a bit weak (I suspect you know why it is weak) , other than that i think you nailed this vid. Bravo!
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I am a unitarian christian and I have atheist friend. Using thunderf00t and condell are not an example of atheists in general or nor is dawkins. Would wehn I have skype want a discussion about this over skype
bossman103 5 months ago
-->the one in the bible ( or do you really think of the guy who lets people be tortured forever because they used their free will when you pray?). So I don t think that you NEED religion. You don t need it to be good, to believe in god or to go into heaven (if that s what you want). The only thing religion does is taking your money and controlling you. Nobody needs that.
DieNeuePhilosophie 5 months ago
--> And those people would still have done good deeds without religion. Basicly atheists shouldn t be concerned about religion, but we are way more concerned about it then about your belief in god. Why? Because we think that believing in god AND beeing part of a religion makes you an easy target for people who seek to control you and actially, no christian (but the WBC) believes in the god of the bible, because he is a lunatic. Everybody believes in his very own and more perfect god then -->
DieNeuePhilosophie 5 months ago
First of all I must say that I do appreciate your approach on this topic (eliminating bias and predjudices) , but you should have also told theist to open their minds because usually they re brains are more likely to be in "I-am-not-listening-because-I-have-to-protect-my-belief-from-the-evil-atheists-mode"...
Secondly, I appreciate your honesty about the dangers of religions.
And finally: As an atheist I think that all the good done in the name of religion was done by good people. -->
DieNeuePhilosophie 5 months ago
There are several reasons I don't believe in God. And, guess what? Religion being bad has nothing to do with it. Primarily, though, the main reason I don't believe in God is because I have no reason to. I have more reason to not believe in God then to believe in God. That's like saying there's an invisible magical unicorn living deep in space. Absurd? Yes. Yet, can you prove that it doesn't exist? No. Does that make it real? The answer is an obvious one.
DMFAgain 5 months ago
Good video and excellent points.
phlewis86 5 months ago
@GodLowDown I agree with this video a lot, because Atheists do tend to be biased against religion. Now, there is one problem I have: You seem to make sound like only Atheists believe in Darwinism and Evolution. Charles Darwin was not an atheist. He, himself, even said that. I believe he was Agnostic Theist, but I might be wrong. Anyway, point is: There are theists that do believe in Evolution. And there are atheists that don't believe in evolution.
VirtualBoyGamerShow 5 months ago
@VirtualBoyGamerShow Charles Darwin was agnostic, he was a christian until his daughter died at 8 years old (I could be wrong about the age). Also, can you give me an example of an atheist that doesnt believe in evolution? Im open minded and would be happy to hear of an atheist wou doesnt believe in evolution.
starfannumberone 5 months ago
@starfannumberone Well, I can't give an exact xample of an atheist who doesn't believe in evolution. But remember, the definition of atheist is a "lack of belief in God." That says nothing about Evolution or Darwinism. It is extremely hard to find an atheist who doesn't except evolution. But, it's not impossible. Evolution and Creationism are the two major theories of our existance, but they are not the only. I'm sure there are atheists that cling to those other, less known theories.
VirtualBoyGamerShow 5 months ago
A wall goes up???? no religion is the wall that goes up we look into other idea's there for no wall we are free to look into other ideas.
goodbryce 5 months ago
the answer is yes!
ISilencerI 6 months ago
0:46 the moment he lost me. Two words is all it took. IDiot.
razzlefrog 6 months ago
Theists just don't get it. Atheism isn't a view. It is nothing more than a lack of a belief in god. That's it. No dogma. No ancient text written by primitive people. It's just a lack of belief in a god - any god, not just yours. Deal with it...if you can.
fatouche99 6 months ago
WTF Im not trying to trick my into being an atheist. I dont like religion period religion has nothing to do with god! Im not saying their is no god I DONT KNOW THAT and i probably will never know so im not gonna go around saying i know god and all that bs!
gimi300 6 months ago
Yes.
1kirbtastic1 6 months ago
A wall goes up in an atheist's mind, so basically you're saying atheists become somewhat close minded and will say or do anything to protect their views? Do you have any idea how hypocritical that sounds? That basically sums up religious people....Because if you could logically reason with someone who's had any religion pounded into their head as a child; its basically impossible to reason with these people.
barrius1234 6 months ago
@barrius1234 Yep. I long ago realized there isn't much difference between Religious zealots and Atheists. They respond to contrary evidence and opinion in exactly the same way.
GodLowDown 6 months ago
@GodLowDown The problem I have with religion is that it is selfish and deluded and even though it has many good traits we don't need it. Mankind is capable of doing far more good in the world if it is not religiously biased. Also what is the point of an after life why would a god put people on the earth for a length of time that only amounts to a tiny percentage of the earths existence it does not make sense. God is fictional that is why athiests don't like him being idolised
chrispog90 2 months ago
@GodLowDown That may be true to some extent; everyone wants to protect themselves, including intellectually. But that isn't to say that atheists and religious people are the same in general.
Ashiman12 2 months ago
@GodLowDown So true
caryopsis 5 days ago
There may be a force behind the universe, but i doubt the juvenile nature of organized relgions has anything to do with it
moroney1 6 months ago
take a deeply unreligious country like Iceland, Norway and compare it with a deeply religious one like somalia or Saudi Arabia
nuff said, religion is a malignant tumour.
evilmamaluigi 6 months ago
My atheism did not come about by any negative experience, but rather the study of science. Science is like 10,000 times better than Jesus.
dpaanlka 6 months ago
Religion has brought us 2 good things. The art it has inspired, and people trying to be compassionate. BUT don't you think it's completely vain that it takes people to blindly follow a invisible man in the sky to show that we care about each other?! Life is precious. Don't waste it following a fiction character.
Mazz1420 6 months ago
Actually my favorite pastime is living life to the fullest without any concerns for God, Heaven or Hell. I am happy with my beliefs and I understand people who believe in God, I just don't accept it.At this point in time we should just let it go and avoid discussions,we have our explantions and you have yours.I care for everyone, regardless of what they are
airrocker001 6 months ago
its like saying voldomort doesn't exist because you dont like harry potter or you dont believe the autobots fighting the decepticons somewhere out there in the universe cos you dont like michael bay...
rockfeller11 6 months ago
Please look at things from our perspective. Let's assume god doesn't exist. Then the crusades raid cities and kill many thousands of people. At the time of inquisition, people slaughtered millions of people. On 9/11, 3,000 people died which started a war that killed a million more people so far. All of this was done because people believe in god. Doesn't that make you angry? We aren't saying that god doesn't exist because religion is bad, but people are can be epicly evil because of religion/god
Super911truth 6 months ago
The problem with religions (and the faith in God that drives them all) is that they share in common the encouragement of believe in sets of facts without any tangible proof whatsoever. The many follies of the organized religions are based on these totally unprovable precepts. OK, so you believe in a God that has nothing to do with man-made religions. Well, then there is nothing you can say about God that is conceivable as any sort of absolute truth. So, then, there is *practically* no God.
publicssoss 6 months ago
Wasn't jesus being tortured and killed the whole point of God's plan for his son? Surely his torture and death are the greatest thing ever in the mind of a Christian? They should be ecstatically happy and proclaiming how awesome it is that he was tortured and killed, as it fulfilled God's will?
How is this religion being bad? It's religion being a direct manifestation of God's will!
symsee 6 months ago
So in your fantasy, atheists really do see the necessity of a god, but then think about "bad religious people", and THAT is what changes our mind...
...you really have no clue how many atheists think, do you?
symsee 6 months ago
so religion has really convinced people.. that theres an invisble man living in the sky who watches everything you do every minute and every day.. and the invisble man has a special list of 10 things he does not want you to do and if u do any of these 10 things.. he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning, torture and anguish where he will send you to live, to suffer, to burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever till the end of time..... BUT HE LOVES YOU!?
061323980 6 months ago
@061323980 Haha, George Carlin. Nice one :)
evilmamaluigi 6 months ago
seriously your so stupid , could u ever put yourself in an atheist position without being biased?
MsPrincessCaroline 6 months ago
We used religions for our Politics, Jesus Christ was punished cz he was a threat for Roman Empire because he believe in helping poor, Muhammad was punished because he became great danger for the wealth and power of Arabs. Muhammad talk about rights of poor, orphans, women, children and even animals. Religions came for Men but how can politicians want the rights of poor?
blueskyblackthunder 6 months ago
As a agnostic this was a interesting video to watch, thank you for posting.
TheBrightpower 6 months ago
you clearly have no idea what the nature of atheism is. beginning your video with a strawman will not win any converts
The flaws of religion are suggestive of the flaws of their underlying premises: there is a god. You say that god opens a can of worms, well divine providence would prevent him this folly
lastly, there is no evidence of gods existence. This is the foundational tenant of atheism, not a rejection of god based on the flaws of religion. atheism is harder to refute than your strawman
burlapshire 6 months ago
i like the beggining of the video
CraeIsBoss 6 months ago
Hitler despised atheists he often associated them with his enemy (Russia), he often spoke about doing gods work. The first half of this video wasn't bad then the terrible comparisons came out. Really need to put more thought into a video before you waste time on it.
Blasfuhmee 6 months ago
Okay, say that intelligent design is true, and the theories of evolution, abiogenisis, micro and macro evolution, darwinism, the big bang, ect are completely false. Which God/gods in history are the true creators? Just curious.
Demon666Evil 6 months ago
Please check out the dictionary meaning of atheism my friend..
It is the belief that no Gods exist, because of the lack of evidence to believe otherwise.
remoraid7 6 months ago
I blame my mother ! for not teaching me the true Father of Jesus.
mp3peris 6 months ago
Believing in a god isn't the issue here, it's religion. I don't give a shit what you believe as long as you come to your own conclusions about existence and don't try to force your beliefs onto others. Buying into a set of beliefs as dictated by an organization or book is just stupid and ignorant. So lets get shit straight here. Religion is stupid. It essentially murders free thought. Thinking there is a grand deity who created existence isn't stupid. That's just your philosophical theory.
ForceRecon198 6 months ago
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@ForceRecon198 You didn't read the bible?
dragonfighter4171 6 months ago
Thank you so mush.
dragonfighter4171 6 months ago
If you believe in talking snakes, 900 year old people, or that you have an "invisible friend", you have mental problems.
glennheston 6 months ago
@glennheston If you believe there is giant bomb and created everything than you got problems.
dragonfighter4171 6 months ago
@dragonfighter4171 I don't know about any "bomb", or whatever you are trying to say. I do know that for you English is a second language, and you suck at it! You believe in talking snakes, and then you want people to take you seriously.
glennheston 6 months ago
@glennheston Well, the big bang or some crap. And no, I do not believe in "talking snake". The talking snake is the devil. It's better than "Nothing made us. It's just giant explosion". It's made more sense than god created the universe.
dragonfighter4171 6 months ago
@dragonfighter4171 You do believe in a talking snake, you just said it was the devil!Therefore, you believe that a snake did at some point talk. I do not believe any snake ever talked, period! "It's made more sense than god created the universe." What the hell does this mean? Could you please get someone who can speak English to help you?
glennheston 6 months ago
@glennheston It's could be illusion. Many people say that he is shape shifter.
dragonfighter4171 6 months ago
So what I got out of this video is that atheists are misinformed because they don't accept a deist point of view? I don't get it. Can someone explain?
ZeerosFate 7 months ago
I have never studied religion and I don't believe in god.
But this is only because the idea of a god is just so fucking ridiculous and ignorant.
Philosophically and scientifically a god does not make sense nor can one exist.
sorry but this video is a huge fail.
Btw nice hypocrisy by saying ignore the religious nutjobs, but then you present atheist nutjobs to support your argument. Fucking fail good sir, fucking fail
fcdog555 7 months ago
@fcdog555 Any real point to your argument?
Just saying, 'it's ridiculous', is not a freaking real reason.
TerraceArchimedes 7 months ago
@TerraceArchimedes Actually it is. It would be like if I claimed to you that every person views his or her life right before he or she drowns (this was actually a commonly held belief before). Why would you believe that?
Well you wouldn't because that is just plain ridiculous. You can't prove it or disprove it either.
The idea of god is so childish. To believe it, you must be extremely naive.
fcdog555 7 months ago
@fcdog555 I don't see how morality, the power of nature, of other-worldly powers and so on and so forth are childish.
If you think the idea of God is childish why don't you just disbelieve that humanity itself exists.
TerraceArchimedes 7 months ago
@TerraceArchimedes a) I said no such thing about religion which I am guessing you think you get your morals from
b) religion gets its morals from humans, not the other way around.
How do I know this? Look at atheistic tribes. They survive just fine without religion.
c) your last claim about humanity is just silly.
fcdog555 7 months ago
@fcdog555 What is really childish here, the fact that I am willing to believe in God or the fact you just can't realize anything?
TerraceArchimedes 7 months ago
@TerraceArchimedes Okay, I will humor you.
Why are you willing to believe in God and which God is this one you choose to believe.
fcdog555 7 months ago
@fcdog555 I can tell you're not going to listen.
Mainly because you didn't say 'supposedly' and instead said metaphor.
I'll just make my exit from this stage, I'll let you figure out the ending
TerraceArchimedes 7 months ago
@TerraceArchimedes
Way to be childish and naive.
fail
fcdog555 7 months ago
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@fcdog555 You just proved my point.
TerraceArchimedes 7 months ago
@fcdog555 It doesn't matter if you are willing to or not. I believe in God because I think there is much harmony and complexity in the universe for they're not to be an intelligent cause. I don't believe in any particular God because how could we possibly understand such a being? Although the God of Pantheism is rather appealing.
BrianPSTJ 6 months ago
@BrianPSTJ Then you have separated yourself from any argument on God.
If I say complexity and harmony are simply intrinsic properties of nature, you will simply come back with labeling something that is in fact intrinsic as evidence for god.
You seriously think just because there is complexity there has to be god?
How can you not see how silly that is.
That assumes way to much. You have to assume there is a god first to make your claim and thus it is a fallacy.
fcdog555 6 months ago
@fcdog555 Chill out, you don't have to believe in God if you don't want to. Terrace didn't want to answer your question so I did. To say they are intrinsic properties doesn't mean that something didn't make them so. Even Einstein saw this complexity and realized there was something or another behind it. So did Anthony Flew. I just don't think that two colliding branes could create something so amazing and complex.
BrianPSTJ 6 months ago
@BrianPSTJ Interesting because one of Einsteins quotes was that the only thing incomprehensible about the universe is that it is comprehensible. Which quite honestly destroys your erroneous effort to resort to authoritative arguments.
But sorry, anyone who says "I see complexity, therefore god," is quite ignorant isn't he?
That is not an argument for god in any sense and anyone using it as so is ignorant.
Btw Einstein was agnostic anyways.
fcdog555 6 months ago
@fcdog555 Actually Einstein was a Deist, at most. How is someone ignorant if they see the complexity and amazing design in the universe and think it should be attributed to a designer? You are drawing personal conclusions based on your personal opinion just as I am, except you feel the need to be a total dick about it. Complex things can be understood, that doesn't make them any less complex.
BrianPSTJ 6 months ago
@BrianPSTJ Yup and that's why you can find quotes of him calling himself an agnostic huh?
And who said design was apparent? Don't be ridiculous. If you want to say a designer did it, he must have did one hell of a bad job.
Sorry but there is no design or anything supernatural. Leave cosmology to the scientists like myself. Don't make your OWN personal conclusions on fallacies.
Jesus Christ. Even it did look designed, that doesn't prove anything. My lord that is ignorant to state. And here's why
fcdog555 6 months ago
@BrianPSTJ (cont)
Say for example you go on a beach and come across a structure of rocks that so happen to look like a smiley face. But here is the catch. Let us say I saw it form naturally due to the waves. So here we have an example where a naturally developed thing that looks designed. Therefore the whole "if it looks designed, god did it" is obviously extremely ignorant and ridiculous to claim.
I don't see how theists can't see this.
fcdog555 6 months ago
Religion should be bashed. It promotes lies in order to be good. Why not just be good. At least we admit Father Christmas isn't real to our kids. Who is there to tell us God is also fake....Atheists.
PDodds77 7 months ago
@PDodds77 Sounds like politics.....
TerraceArchimedes 7 months ago
These videos make you think don't they
djbiggs174 7 months ago
religion bad? depends, i know the lord angelica the one who truly made the word is a good creator.We should devote our lives to be good people with or without her.But many other gods that humans make up are evil vindictive gods who lie about how glorious they are.
sailornaruto39 7 months ago
@sailornaruto39 I believe that God is in a lot of religions, each and every one looking at a different part of Him.
I consider myself a Christian, however, because those are the teachings I as taught even if I don't believe in all of them.
Besides, another religion wouldn't help anything.
Ultimately, if someone believes in the morals of God and has faith in that aspect rather than his existence believe they are good.
The God who created the world is revealed in the world's harmony.
TerraceArchimedes 7 months ago
no the problem with ID argument is that anyone who says it is pulling things out their ass.Things very well may have came out of nowhere or have always been here.So until we come across the experience of something creating universe stuff then we can talk
sailornaruto39 7 months ago
@sailornaruto39 to "atheist pastime #1": that might have to do with equal/more threats of hell.And it is also quite frankly because they9various religious claims) are kinda silly. You seem to want to discuss god in general but forgive me you points seem to have the underlying tone of defending chrisianity.Otherwise you wouldn't really see a problem.
sailornaruto39 7 months ago
@sailornaruto39 but a few points i understand what you are saying and agree
sailornaruto39 7 months ago
Okay. Let's say God designed humans. Why did he choose to give us a spine that was not made for walking upright? That's poor craftmanship. It's a terrible idea to put food and breath in the same place. Why would a perfect being do that?
Also, genes and genetic diversity are extremely imperfect systems that cause a lot of pain. Why not make something more reliable?
God, as most people picture, does not exist. Another version may or may not, but that God doesn't give a darn bout humans.
Wasserbienchen 7 months ago
1: fuck you, god does not exist..
2: Asking me to omit nutjobs, the bible and the rest of religious BS to consider your statements is like asking me to deny logic and history.
3: get on with it
4: Why shouldn't I bash a lying cult?
5: We should kill religion
6: Jesus, biblicaly, never existed.
7: religion is disgusting.
8: I dont ignore the positives, There are good things, but they come at too high a cost.
9: I dont believe in God because he does not exist.
10: There IS NO GOD.
DaBluedude100 7 months ago
@DaBluedude100 Go be immature somewhere else. Seriously, you strike me as a twelve year old how thinks its cool to curse.
Dkenair2 7 months ago
@.45 "The theist begins to see the problems of the argument, that there probably isn't a creator, and then his or her brain is flooded with all the potential implications of accepting that likelihood and suddenly a wall goes up in the theist's mind and then from that point on he or she will employ whatever tactics are necessary to protect their views "
see we can be presumptuous too ; )
adler2adler 7 months ago
Richard Dawkins does not actually use the question of whether religion is good or bad to aid in his argument that god is unlikely to exist. In fact, he proposes that there are very often many benefits to believing in a supernatural being. But he states that whether it's beneficial to believe in such a being has nothing to do with whether or not that being actually exists. Instead, his argument against the likelihood of the existence of god is based on there being zero evidence for god
goldensleeves 7 months ago
Their*
kyledavidbyron 7 months ago
I've never heard someone worth there salt say there is no designer because religion is bad...
kyledavidbyron 7 months ago
why u hating on patrick star?
sublime2992 7 months ago
The point to scientific probabalism is nothing means anything. the general form of, this doesn't mean that, is practically ubiquitously true enough to be a hypnotic technique. For example, as you consider this argument, it doesn't mean you will go into a trance.
cybermone 7 months ago
Yo, your picture of jesus looks like a pornstar. Love those lashes!!!!!!!!1
cybermone 7 months ago
how many superstitious retards does modernity need?
cybermone 7 months ago
"suddenly a wall goes up in the Atheist's mind, and from that point on, he or she will do nothing but imploy whatever tactics are necessary to protect their veiws".....hmmm...and this is different from your view of atheism how?
Digityus 7 months ago
i love bashing religion because you think
a homicidal, genocidal, infacidal, incessant, racist slaver is good
that is why, because you think the psychopath that you worship is "good"
it says int eh bible, to only love your neighbor if they are also christian, if not you are to stone them to death and keep their children and wives as slaves.
Mikeybetts 7 months ago
I'm agnostic.. i have nothing against people who believe as long as they don't push thir belief on others.. i do not believe in the christian god because there is no evidence for him to exist, but there is no 100% evidence against him so i can't say that he doesn't.. but i simply hope that he/she/it doesn'. the christian god has been a douche throughout the bible and i don't feel like supporting someone who thinks youre sinful for having sex or showing cleavage or whatever..just dosnt feel right
Rospandan 7 months ago
We seem to agree on at least one point here (from 2:11): Religion is really bad for you.
Unfortunately the rest of the arguments are deeply flawed. E.g. people DO go to the streets to protest bad governments and bad companies.
Can you explain why you don't believe in Thor and Zeus, but why you DO believe in your god?
henkvanderlaak 7 months ago
i became an atheist not out of a bad exsperisn but out of logic.
zooryanzoo123 8 months ago
All you have to do is understand what the term Atheist means - a lack of belief in a god. Why is there a lack of belief, because there is no evidence for one. Its really not that hard to understand, what I dont understand is this video. If god isnt defined by a religon, for example a theist god, then what god are you talking about. Are you talking about a force? Please define your god first before assuming we know what you are talking about.
benaberry 8 months ago
hittler was a roman catholic. you were doing pretty damn good until you had to come up with that. HITLER WAS A ROMAN CATHOLIC YOU MORON, NOT AN ATHEIST.
91lilfrozone23 8 months ago
@91lilfrozone23 Oh my god you're a fucking dumb ass. Get your fucking facts right you idiot. Hitler was a catholic who later started to lose faith in Christianity and converted to atheism. Also evolution is a part of Nazism. Evolution was taught to all the germen soldiers and they were told that Jews were the lowest form of beings. No matter what you believe, there will always be an asshole who will kill in the name of what he believes even if it's evolution.
Theboxer500 8 months ago
@Theboxer500
1. Where did you get your "facts" from? I've studied this subject and I have never found a quote showing that Hitler became and Atheist.
I'm not one to insist he was a Catholic, even though he fits the Catholic Churches own definition of a Catholic, but he does appear to have believed in a god right up to the end.
2. Hitler did not believe in Evolution by Natural Selection, he did not understand it. And it was not taught to German soldiers.
cont...
kandtell 8 months ago
In fact: "Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism (Häckel)." were banned in the "Guidelines from Die Bücherei (1935)".
BTW the public library blacklist included:
"All writings that ridicule, belittle or besmirch the Christian religion and its institution, faith in God, or other things that are holy to the healthy sentiments of the [German People]".
Can you source either of your assertions?
kandtell 7 months ago
@kandtell these are somethings he said about Christianity. 9th April, 1942, dinner: "There is something very unhealthy about Christianity."
10th October, 1941, midday: "Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure."
Kinda funny how most "peaceful and loving atheist" think the same way as Hitler did. Do your research again buddy.
Theboxer500 7 months ago
@Theboxer500
I have seen those quotes before, they show him to be Anti-Christianity, or at least anti the best parts of Christianity, "Love thy neighbor as thyself" that kind of thing.
They *do not* prove he was an Atheist.
For that you need a quote where he says that *all* religions are wrong.
I personally think from the way he talked about Manifest Destiny that he was making up his own religion. Perhaps he thought he *was* god.
Do you have a quote where he says *all* gods do not exists?
kandtell 7 months ago
cont from above....
BTW, I think it is not possible to believe in Manifest Destiny and be an Atheist.
Manifest Destiny implies a thinking entity capable of breaking the laws of Physics, which is a god by definition.
kandtell 7 months ago
@kandtell Actually i do agree with you on one thing. He probably was beginning to think that he was god, but evolution being taught in Nazism is actually true. Search it up on Google.
Theboxer500 7 months ago
@Theboxer500
Great! Common ground :)
OK, so turning to the "evolution being taught in Nazism is actually true" bit. Sorry, but no, this is not true.
Unless you can come up with something I have not seen before.
What they *were* taught was a form of Eugenics. At it's very basic level Eugenics can be thought of as part of the lead up to Darwinian Natural Selection, since it is a form of Artificial Selection and Artificial Selection was a big contributor to Darwin's idea of NS.
cont...
kandtell 7 months ago
On a side note: from a historical perspective Eugenics is much older that Natural Selection since Eugenics was actually practised by the Spartans and is described in Plato's Republic.
But none of this amounts to the teaching of Evolution by Natural Selection.
Maybe it was taught in German Schools at the time.
But you are implying that it was taught as something special by order of Hitler and that's not true because Hitler did not understand Natural Selection.
cont...
kandtell 7 months ago
There is a great quote of his somewhere where he manages to state the idea of Natural Selection and rejects it as crazy without realising that he was rejecting Darwinian Evolution.
If I find it I'll post it.
Mean time, if you can find any sources proving the following:
1. That Hitler understood Natural Selection.
2. That he thought it was correct.
and 3. That he advocated teaching it to German soldiers.
I'd be both interested and surprised.
But please make sure it's about Natural Selection!
kandtell 7 months ago
This video is extremely insulting. It implies over and over again that people who do not believe that god exists are doing it because of personal emotional reasons and not giving the concept a fair amount of thought. Maybe the people are against religion because they actually came to the conclusion that it was more harmful than beneficial. Why wouldn't such people talk about the dangers of religion? And what evidence do you have that people in this video became atheists because of religion?
funningincircles 8 months ago
There's an awful lot of strawman arguments in this video.
You say in the beginning of the video that you will present arguments for god, where are they?
My own dislike for religion originates in the fact, that it gives people a worldview that is very different from the real world, which results in religious people making judgements and decisions they wouldn't otherwise make, like some of the actions showed in your video.
phpeni 8 months ago
Religion is bad because it slows progress. It's as simple as that. There are still people out there who think the world is 6,000 years old, and that same-sex marriage is a bad thing. Also, we're born atheists, you're not taught one of 19 major religions until your parents "teach" you.
harvythewondergerbil 8 months ago
You know, you make good points and all, but debating atheism isn't what turns people to God. You could win every argument out there that attacks belief in God, but that itself does not have the power to save. Only the gospel does. That's all you need the share, the gospel. Only God turns men's hearts. - Romans 1:16
alexavasquez1992 8 months ago
Cont
Ignoring the kids who think it is trendy to be an atheist, and spew crap.. not many of us really care if you believe in a god or not.
We care whether or not you are going to do stupid things because of this belief.
If you believe in a god, but not the dogma of religions, then I have no problem with your belief (kinda do, but just because I wish everyone held the most true beliefs and least false beliefs as possible). This is why pantheists and deists tend to get along with atheists better.
thricerocks 8 months ago
The first minute or so of this video is extremely condescending, just saying. ID arguments have been answered many many many times reasonably w/o bringing in any of the the things you claim are resorted to.
In regard to attacking the belief in god to rid the world of the evils of religion: It is simply the most efficient way (theoretically), attack the base of the belief, the whole thing comes crumbling down. If your belief in god is as irrational as some religions, it ought to be removed.
thricerocks 8 months ago
Most of us don't believe in religion simply because of all the ridiculous things in religion. For instance, the talking snake, men living 900 years old, and many of the hateful things that religion aspires to. It's not that we're bad people that hate God. We just can't believe some of the stuff being put out there. Thunderf00t and those like him more often wish to promote science and bring us out of dark age thinking, which is a good thing, we need that. (I am a skeptic, not an atheist)
dannukesem 8 months ago
Nice vid, interesting and has a couple of good points =]
but as you said in the vid, we shouldn't judge religions by their most extreme followers, and it is the same with atheism, yes there are atheist who want' to destroy religion,but they are not all of us.
I for one never though religion is all bad...for instance for centuries schools were in churches, and religion kept scientific development going.
And I believe tht most atheist are intelligent enough to believe in God if they god good proof
Monshteiner 8 months ago
Great video brother! Shame you have to disable the ratings but it does seem that any videos on atheism on YouTube get heavily hit with downrating.
I thought this was a superb video so will be featuring this on my channel page over the next 24 hours. Keep up the good work!
Shazoolo 8 months ago
when i was atheist i didnt hate religion, and i didnt bash it. I didnt go around insulting people for believing in god. I was a genuine atheist, and secure about it. Because i just didnt care. The concept of a God seemed silly, and just never grabbed me. Ironically, it was science that turned me to God.
SupremeAmerican 8 months ago
@SupremeAmerican I'm actually trying to find out how science proves God. Do you know any good sources?
alexavasquez1992 8 months ago
Maybe the best video on youtube. Fresh thinking and approach to the subject, while being thought provoking at the same time.
YesGodExists 8 months ago
Of course, there is no prpod as of yet to deny the existence of God, but there is proof to deny the existence of the God of every religion on this planet. Simply by studying the bible, and comparing what God is with scientific rule, we can conclude that the Christian/Muslim/jewish God may exist, but is definitely not who they think he is.
MrMosstin 8 months ago
Also, check out "The Collapse of Intelligent Design:Kenneth R. Miller Lecture" uploaded by "case". A Christian biologist explains why teaching evolution is important and why ID is not a valid idea.
wokkitout 8 months ago
Is religion bad? In your case, yes.
Your video starts off by asking to put biases aside, then it accuses atheists of not objectively processing ID arguments. But ID is creationism, which is religious (Kitmiller vs Dover). From the debates I've seen, ID doesn't bring anything to the table. Nothing to test, can't falsify it. So without religion, there wouldn't be ID, because at the most, you can conclude that things appear designed.. but picking a designer depends on what religion you're in.
wokkitout 8 months ago
You have a nice voice and the pictures in this video matched what you were talking about and they were pretty to look at.
All that is left now is to prove God's existence and that should not be too hard
(Trollface).
Thunderharald 8 months ago
Wow I'm a Steelers fan so thanks for that! lol. I'm a Christian, I'm a member of a Christian church. Does the church have flaws? Of course is does! It is run by humans after all. But just like you said, just because the church has flaws, that doesn't mean that God doesn't exist. Religion is terrible, that's why I believe in the saying "no religion, just a relationship with God".
squrilleyboy 8 months ago
@frusciantefan122 - well said - this video does nothing but insult atheists by deliberately misrepresenting them.
Religions were invented by humankind which is why they all suffer from human weaknesses.
Peace.
klhcc 8 months ago
At first I thought this was a joke as it completely misses the point.
Disbelief in God does not come from a 'predisposed bias'.
To claim that someone only disagrees with you because they have 'emotional baggage' is arrogant. Your argument would be more credible if you didn't insult the intelligence of the opposition but rather acknowledge they have the same ability to 'objectively process' the arguments and came to a different conclusion.
It makes you look like you dont understand the argument.
magicfwomp 8 months ago
If there is a god, its not going to be the sadistic monster know as yahweh.
blarghblarghblargh 8 months ago
i haven't met or watch an atheist that said they didn't believe a god or gods because religion was bad. most of them say they don't believe in a god or gods because there no evidence for there existence which leads me to believe that , that was a strowman argument
craker3833 8 months ago
I don't believe in a god, not because I disagree with religious doctrine. It's because assuming there is a creator (on your terms) on the premise that "B-but there HAS to be!" without any actual hard evidence backing it up is (to quote you) well... dumb!
Bardiel13 8 months ago
You are the quintessential religious defender. Hypocritical and blind, and even recognizing the fact that, well, simply THERE IS NO EVIDENCE for YOUR or ANY deity. You must know this.