I would say that Anne was the love of Henry's life; afterall,he wrote 'Greensleeves' for her and no other. He crowned her with St Edward's Crown, and created her Marchioness of Pembroke. All he gave Jane was death, having taken his son from her.
'Alas, my love, you do me wrong, to cast me off discourteously, and I have loved you oh so long, delighting in your company.... Greensleeves was all my joy, Greensleeves was my delight...' Anne's favourite colour was green.
@Purkette You do realise that Henry didn't actually write Greensleves don't you? It probably wasn't even composed until after his death. He also had to crown Anne because no one accepted her as Queen so he had to make it official. There was no need to rush with Jane and when he finally decided to crown her the funds were low, then there was plague, then rebellion and finally she became pregnant and he didnt want to subject her to stress. He finally gave her a funeral fit for a queen.
@wickerwillow Henry wrote that song for Anne. We have the original version... somewhere on the net some fellow put his name to it. Not everybody accepted her as queen, but it's too absolute to say no one did.
In my opinion, Henry seemed most in love with Anne Boleyn. Obviously he loved Katharine of Aragon but she wasn't his own choice as a wife nor was she his age. He grew to love Jane Seymour ecspecially when she delivered that prized son. After Edward, the rest of the wives where collateral.. Catherine Howard for good youth, men in there mid-life crisis and Katherine Parr for companionship
@Purkette To an extent Jane was a puppet, but she certainly knew her own mind and tried to fight for what she believed in. For example her brothers were reformers but she was a staunch Catholic and petitioned on behalf of the Catholic rebels.
How can you suggest, taht Jane didn't live long enough to show her personality???? She was 36 when she died!!! I am so much amazed for her brave to give a birth to a very first child in those times in her age!!! But she was boring defenetely. Sweet but boring. It was very nice change after warior, inteligent and very independece Anne to Henry, I guess.
@Lelly26 Kathy and Janie did nothing for England. Didn't even leave a strong and healthy king. Gloriana was the queen who ruled England for 44 years... reformation and renaissance came through Anne and her daughter, Good Queen Bess!
@Purkette So Anne;s only triumph is Elizabeth? Well you do know that Elizabeth's great reign was built on top of Edward and Mary's reign who both reformed and rebuilt the country respectively. If that be the case, well then Katherine and Jane are to be as praised as much as Anne.
@wickerwillow Mary's to be praised for her bloody campaign, and Edward for...? And Anne's triumph was not only Elizabeth ascending the throne (what she wanted), but also the continuation of the reformation in England.
I think that they all were very intresting and this show just makes it more so. I've read so many books on The Tudors.. But, Anne is my favorite. I do think Jane wasn't that innocent but I still think she was good in the show. I love the music from the scene of her death.. Annabelle Wallis is a beautiful actress, just like Natalie Dormer.. I can't wait to see Kitty Howard!
Everyone of Henry's wives was the "love of his life" at one point in time.
But Jane never got a chance to displease Henry, as she died so quickly after the marriage. What if she'd lived, do you really think she still would have remained in his good will?
I think the reason she was his favourite wife was simply because she had a son. I belive in it.
I agree with some comments that people have made about Jane, she doesnt seem so innocent as she makes out and her character is very out of place. Anne Boleyn was striking, intelligent and thats exactly wht is protrayed here which is why many viewers loved her character when she became queen over Catherine, who was as well a great, gentle character.
He loved katharine, even though he was tired of her and she didn't give him a son. That's why when he divorced Katherine, he still kept good care of her, but he always loved her. As for anne you see more love for her the most, anne was all alone and forced to seduce henry and marry him, but during that she fell in love with him, and he loved her for a long time till he found out. As for jane what a bitchy thing to do to lead henry on why he was married...i loved anne the most and lady katharine
He's actually buried in the ground at Windsor Cathedral with Jane, a duke and some four year old boy from the aristocracy. Henry VIII does not have his own grave. It's quite amusing, actually.
@VintageVampiress, Henry was buried along side Jane Seymour beneath the quire in St. George's Chapel at Windsor Castle. Later King Charles I and an infant of Queen Anne of Great Britain would be placed beneath the quire.
@cncmaster3 Actually,it says that he had no other options.After all,his marriages to Katherine of A.&Anne of C.were declared void,Anne B.&Kathryn H.were declared&buried as traitors,Catherine P.didn't die before him,and Henry probably knew that his last marriage wasn't about love & she'd marry again.The only and convenient choice left therefore was Jane,who wasn't so innocent as people think.History tells that clearly.I adore all 6 wives,they were fascinating women in their own unique ways!
Wait...didn't Anne lead Henry on when he was married?
Come on now, both Anne and Jane were pushed in front of Henry when he was married, and both initially refused him.
And when he divorced Katharine, he did not take good care of her, he forced her to claim her marriage to him was incestious, sent her into exile, and forbade her from seeing her daughter. Henry always respected her abilites, but he didn't always take care of her.
@LNor19 They refused him for different reasons...Anne because she wanted marriage (he spoiled her chances with Percy and Wyatt), and Jane dangled her virtue in front of him, coached by her scheming brothers.
@Purkette Well that's all opinion. A lot of historians believe Henry wasn't actually interested in Anne until after Wolsey broke of the engagement with Percy for his own reasons, as he was good friends with the Percys (Dukes) and they thought that the Boleyns (Earls) weren't good enough (nothing ever happened with Wyatt) and when she realised that she had the chance to be his wife she played the virtue card. Essentially they both played the same game it's just that Jane played it better.
@wickerwillow Jane played nothing better. She pales in comparison to Anne. Anne offered Henry marriage or nothing;Jane dangled her virtue at his nose. Read Professor Ives.
People! Come on!!!We're dealing with 6 interesting and fascinating Queens,and so they should be respected,not just Jane,not just Anne,or any of them individually,but ALL OF THEM!!!! Jane wasn't better than Anne and Anne wasn't better than Katherine!
Please stop calling Anne or Jane 'whore'. Anne wasn't whore, Jane wasn't saint. Stop! They was such wonderful woman.
We should blame Henry because he ruined their lives!
@stokrotka1011 The stakes were the same for any queen after Anne... it was Anne however who raked in the most winnings, not for herself, but for England. AND on top of that, gave Albion a great queen!
@Purkette If I understand you right you're saying that all the other wives had the same chance to be as 'sucessful' as Anne? If so, i don't agree. They had the disadvantage of coming after Anne as Henry no longer trusted his wives after Anne 'abused' her power. Take the comment he said to Jane where he reminds her of her predecessors fate when she tried to become involved in politics. Also note that he almost killed Catherine Parr for her Protestant beliefs which contradicted his.
@wickerwillow He didn't almost kill Parr for her beliefs... it was for contradicting him. And Anne didn't abuse her power, she simply wielded what she had... boldly.
I think you're all being a bit too harsh against Henry. By the time he married Jane he kind of thought he might be impotent and was resigning himself to the thought that he might have no more children. He was planning on making Fitzroy and then Mary his legitimate heir just in case worse came to the worse. Then Jane got pregnant so he scrapped that idea and she had a son. I also think he did love Jane. She technically committed treason and he let her get away with it before she was ...cntd....
....protected by being pregnant. I think he genuinely loved her personality, she was calm, mild and sweet. It think she cemented his love by having his son and then dying whilst she was still glorified in his mind. And I dont understand the theory that he would fall out of love with her. Technically the only person he fell out of love with was Anne B. KoA was too old to be of use anymore and he still respected her, he never loved AOC, he did love KH until she cheated!
Jane Seymour was the only one of Henry's six wives who managed to present him with a living son. A son and heir was very important to Henry and, by extension, the country. After presenting the living son, Jane thoughtfully died before Henry could fall out of love with her. That all.
Oh yes Jane was the best wife because she had a son .-_- because its not like she just got lucky... I think Jane would have been gotten rid of just as quickly if she had a girl or no children at all. So saying she was the best wife because she had a son is ignorant... Henry only loved Jane because she had a boy, no more, no less. And yes Jane was lucky. I think that he loved the most his three first wives: KoA, Anne Boley and Jane. Maybie Katherine Howard too.
Study a bit of history and you will know that time before Henry´s death he asked to be painted a picture of Tudor´s family..he did not put Catherine there or Anne..he put Jane as the true tudor Matriarcal...besides of the part where he wanted to be buried with her..what else do you need more to see who has his true love?
@Purkette Jane helped to restore Mary back to court which could have saw her beheaded for treason. She tried (though ultimately failed) to help the rebels of the Pilgrimage of Grace. She also did persuade Henry to restore some of the monasteries in England even though it went directly against his policy. So he did actually listen to her and respect her opinions. She did quite a lot in her short really time considering what happened to her predecessors.
@wickerwillow Who can say if Henry listened to her or not? All we know is that she was told not to meddle, was reproved and characteristically obeyed, as was her motto.
maybe you should read some...wvwerybody who studied a bit more about this Tudors time knows that Henry said,before dying that Jane was the one he most loved,the best of wives.the ones that say it was because of the heir,are Ann+s fans..that´s all.but it is sad really cause you only saw the series,and it is a romanticized story with Anne...it wasnt like that at all...
@Purkette It's naive to think that he killed her for the simple reason that she didn't give him a son. He didn't like that she contradicted him and was getting tired of her jealous and nagging nature. Granted he would have put up with it if she had given him a son but he had fallen out of 'love' with her long before that. He just hoped that after all he had done to marry her would be worth the wait. He liked Anne 'the mistress', but not Anne the wife.
@wickerwillow How do you know she had a jealous and nagging nature? Lived with her? Anne had to go because of Cromwell's belief that she became a liability, and compounded by the fact that she had no son, well. He loved Anne, but surrendered her to the sword.
im so sad cause Jane died.She was truly the love of his Life.The only one he wanted to be reunited with,after his death.Remember what he said on helding her hand.looking at her body?He was buried beside her :meaning she was the Only One for him. She gave him a son,yes,but for him she was the Light in all that darkness he lived in.
I wouldn't think so. Anne Boleyn must have been Henry VIII's love of his life, something between endless passion and fiersome hatred connected their souls so strongly
I don't think Anne B was the love of his life. He spent half of his time arguing with her and then killed her because he grew to hate and resent her. I think Jane was his true love, if he ever had one besides himself!
@wickerwillow It attests to nothing of that sort. If we read what he wrote to Anne in those 17 love letters... well, I would say that he lost his head over the lady.
I love how the costumes change depending on the wife. Katherine of Aragon kept the Spanish quality in most of her clothing, Anne Boleyn was a dramatic, Jane Seymour was modest, Anne of Cleves had the German look, Katherine Howard
Jane is certainly a plain Jane. Especially compared to Anne Boleyn but Anne was simply born in the wrong time. Jane was the perfect wife back then, the mother of a son and obeying to her husband. That was what mattered, but she is just not interesting.
I think most would agree that of all the wives, Jane was the most...boring? Perhaps it's just that I'm partial to Anne, and the fact that Jane didn't live long enough to truly show her personality. She was just so..mild and plain. Obviously the opposite of Anne, which I suppose is what Henry really wanted.
But did he really love her the most? She died before we could really find out. I think he loved anne most. he fought heaven and earth just to marry her.
I think it's a common misconception that Jane was "boring", while I find all the wives fascinating, I'd say that title goes to AoC. Anyways, Jane did what she could in means of keeping her head, she spoke out about Mary before and after she was married to Henry. She made a public display when pleading for the rebels. Jane also did some patronage of artists and just people in general needing help. She was a 'Elizabeth of York' when she died, but some believe she could've been a powerful matriarch
While I'm not a particularly huge fan of hers, I do agree that she could have made a powerful matriarch. Perhaps I gravitate to AoB because she appears to be more of the modern woman. Of course, Jane was also very brave in speaking out about Mary, which must have been risky, Henry's wife or not. I do know who I like the least in this situation - Henry VIII. He may have been a human, but he was not a particularly admirable one, as we all know. I truly feel for all of the wives.
@Purkette Is that such a bad thing? Wife number 3 sees what happened to wife number 1 and 2, and doesn't want to go that way! She had common sense, something which Anne lacked for all her fine education. And as Lnor said, she did speak her mind and air her opinions. Sometimes it worked and she got her own way, other times she didn't. But if a man who had killed his wife on trumped up charges told me to shut up, I wouldn't need telling twice. I'm sure Anne would have done the same if she was 3rd.
@wickerwillow Anne would have done what Anne would have done. That's the beauty of character. She would be the last to care what others thought. And common sense I would say, is really not useful to others. I say bravo Anne, for having lived her life courageously.
they say he loved her most of all his wives, because she was the mother of his only son... but, did he really? I think the actress is strikingly beautiful. but Natalie Dormer is even better.
@Purkette It's believed by most that Henry didn't have any mistresses when he was with Jane. Might have been one night stands but that was common back then. All men did it. Jane would have been untouchable if she had lived, and Henry certainly would have cherished and respected her, even if he did not love her. Would she even want his love now that she had a son to love and was secure in her position?
@wickerwillow Who knows? I wouldn't want to be hampered by a fatbag! And I think that being stuck to Henry would have been a real weight. Untouchable the queen, any queen, who had given birth to an heir... well, the thing is that you'd have to live with that boring fellow afterwards! And mistresses don't count... only queens-in-waiting do!
It is never even been proven that he love Jane. Henry still had misstresses whilist married to Jane, if he truely loved Jane why would he sleep with other women. Also (although i am not sure if this is true yet as I haven't really read into Jane seymours life, i'm more of an Anne fan) but when Henry was told his wife is going to die in child birth he replyed by saying "Let us hope it is a boy then".
Actually, there is no historical documents or text to support that Henry had a mistress whilst married to Jane, even during her pregnancy. After her death is another story.
Also, the quote you bring up came after Henry's death. It was made to dehumanize Henry's image, there is no truth to it.
In those days, Henry would've been hopeful that either would survive, for with Jane, he could always have more children, as opposed to going through the process of finding a new wife.
As i said I haven't read that much about Jane so i wasn't sure about the quote. It is highly unlikely that he didn't have other mistresses and highly likely he would of loved her alot less if she hadn't had a son and become bored of her. But since she did give birth to a boy it is fair to say he loved her the most out of his 6 wives.
No i think it's quite safe to say he did love her and miss her when she died.
It is true he did have more use for her. The point I am making is that he did also love his first 2 wives. But Henry loved Jane the most because he gave him a son and she died before he tired of her.
You cannot say he didn't love her. If you look more at Henry and Jane's relationship for will see he did. He wore black for 3 months when a Jane diesd. And didn't marry for 3 years, and even then it was not for love.
@Purkette Yes he did, though it was purely superficial and for show as you well know. I always find that little 12 day gap in between Anne and Jane quite funny!
@Purkette Edward was not sickly at all. He was a healthy child and the worst thing he had when he was young was measels. His only bad luck was that he caught tuberculosis when his immune system was still underdeveloped because of his youth, even today youths die of TB. He would have most likely been a strong King like his father had he survived. And Edward did quite a bit to help England become the super power that it eventually became. Even though he was a child, he knew what he wanted doing.
@Purkette as for Edward not ruling well, you need to read more, especially Allison Weir...the quotes from many sources, domestic and foreign all talk about Edward being brilliant and possessing the typical manipulative Tudor mind...many of these quotes were written in private papers...he was shaping up to be one of the most brilliant monarchs of his generation, he was very similar to Elizabeth...he was just physically ill, probably exposed to TB...
yea i agree, everyone always says henry loved jane the most but thats cos she gave him a boy. but dont u think splitting from ur religion (which was kind of a big thing especially in those days-i mean they based their whole lives on religion), to marry anne, he must of loved her.
i don't like jane. everybosy tells she is so good and was so strict in her beliefs and treated mary so well...but she wasn't better than ane, as she knew she was going to marry a man who had his wife executed to be free! so her character was similar to annes's. jane wasn't the "good girl"!
i can see your point, but the main reason why many people disliked anne was due to the fact it was mainly her fault that Henry broke away from the catholic church and formed the church of england. but he would have done that anyway regardless who it was with. But I think the main reason was the pain and suffering she inflicted onto Katherine. Katherine was known as a good and kind queen who cared was respected by many.
I believe it wasn't down to any of the wives. it was all henry's fault.
@Purkette The reformation would have took place anyway eventually, Anne was merely the catalyst. Some think this makes her admirable but it actually caused more trouble than it's worth. Even today the negative effects of the reformation can be seen (Ireland). Had the reformation been introduced gradually rather than over night like Henry+Anne did, a lot less blood would have been shed.
@wickerwillow She wasn't the catalyst. She was a key element. Blood would be shed when it has to be. And I doubt that Henry and Anne could have done anything gradually.
I don't dislike Anne for 'stealing' Henry away from KoA. Henry was obviously tiring of her and wanted a new wife. What i don't like about Anne is how she treated Katherine and Mary. She flounced about like she owned the place, not caring about their feelings. She wanted both of them dead and actually celebrated when KOA died. I think these are the actions of a cruel woman. Jane, however, kept out of Anne's way, was kind to her stepdaughters and never celebrated Anne's downfall.
You have to put yourself in Annes shoes, Katherine and Mary were a threat and her postion would have been more secure if they were both dead. Im not saying I didnt think it was cruel how she celebrated Katherines death. BUT you also have to remember that none of us were there when these things happened, so we cannot fully trust written down documents that were mostly written by people who hated Anne.
@Purkette Jane survived the Tudor court and she never actively sought anyone's death (most thought that Henry would divorce Anne, after all a European King had never executed their wife before) or mistreated innocent children. Anne's treatment of Katherine and Mary is the reason why I can never respect Anne. To an extent she was protecting her interests, but she was also flexing her power for her own desires (e.g demanding Katherine's jewels and Mary's christening gown)
can i just say how do u people know what henry felt, it was like 500 year sago, and i know it is said jane seymour was thre love of his life, but that was only because she gave him a boy. It was Elizabeth who was the one who made a great queen!
son shumn a child is sa child none more sacred than the other in gods eyes. I'll bet after his son was born he regretted making such a big deal out of it. yes i'm insulting did i stutter? i don't want to continue arguing with you cause im not a teacher.
@donnylovesayesha This is a response to your latest post to me, and not to the one above. The tudor times were different. And I would say yes, that was it in a nutshell.
Its a well known fact all henry ever wanted was a son to become his heir, so obviously he's gona favour his sons other side of the family. Thats the reason why he favoured the seymours so much because they were all related to his son and heir.
Jane Seymour was a hussy, she carried on a romantic relationship with a happily married man, and then took him away. she was nothing short of ambitious and history labels anne as ambitious. whore and harlett that's what i say.
i know anne was beheaded. what i mean is this they may have fought henry was happy with her you people don't understand that just because a man fights with his wife doesn't mean he is unhappy. a man inlove will tell you that he would rather be with the one he is in love with fighting then be with the one he is not inlove with peaceful. as for katherine of aragon well henry probably wasn't inlove with her so anne did him a service and saved him from a loveless marriage too bad he had her killed
Henry didn't love Katharine? Have you ever read anything on their 24 years of marriage? How he disobeyed his Father to marry the woman he loved, how he comforted her during her many pregnancies, and how even after he exiled her Henry gave her the utmost respect!?
Henry WAS very unhappy with Anne, in started asking about a divorce a year after they illegally married, she yelled at him, and just in general pissed him off.
If he disobeyed his father marry her then that had to be in the beginning when his affection for her were new. I'm sure he grew tired of her. a man doesn't exile a woman he still loves. Sure he gave her respect but did he try to go back with her? no.
You said it was a loveless marriage, I was just telling you the contrary, and it certainly was loveless on Katharine's part ever, and Henry was crazy about Katharine for the first 10 years of their marriage, from there his loved waned but he never treated her the way he treated Anne because he actually respected Katharine.
BTW, in regard to the "A man doesn't exile a woman he still loves"....well a man does execute the woman he loves.
respect ain't love. Never has been never will be. love is stronger. being crazy about a person in the end doesn't mean anything. after annes death henry kept marrying women named anne. i guess he kept seeing her ghost. i know he lived to regret his decision to kill her. he died young. so i guess his heart came to regret the decision to kill his innocent wife that he relized he could not replace
I'm not sure what 'names' have to do with it, but if you wanna go there, He married three Katharines, two Annes(Anna), and one Jane
He didn't die young, it was average for his time, about 10 years after the woman HE considered his true love, Jane, died.
I doubt he regretted the decision to kill AB, about a year after he got rid of her, he had a son, what was what he truly wanted. And the amount he fighted with Anne, and in end he killed her...well I don't think he want someone like her again.
Y ou people get me so sick this is why i like cursing you out. I don't care what century we live in dying in your fiftys is young too young to die we are meant to live alot longer. you just want to be rebelous or disagree with me. that won't help you being stubborn. give goodness it's due. his wives including jane seymour were bad. i know in my heart he married the anne's because their names reminded him of anne boleyn. as for the katherines old habits die hard. one an ingrate sometime always
He married ONE other wife named Anne, and her name wasn't even really Anne, it was ANNA. And it was an arranged marriage, purely political, there was no love or AB about it.
He hated Anne Boleyn in the end, denounced her as a witch and incestous whore, heck he even sent Elizabeth away from him because sometimes she would remind him of AB, someone he obviously didn't want to see or think about anymore.
are you kidding me? Anne Anna same thing one is spanish and one english but they both are the same name. As for Elizabeth, well he finally bought her back to court, and who ruled longer Mary Edward or Elizabeth (Anne's child?) of course poetic justice. in the end Anne got what she always wanted
Ok, so you just proved to me you have no idea about the Six Wives. ANNA, was his fifth GERMAN wife, not Spanish.
Also, yes Elizabeth was brought back to court, but during that time, when she would remind Henry of AB, he would send her away, it happened more than once, it's documented.
Also, Elizabeth was her own person, her mother had no political influence on her or her reign, seeing as AB was dead when Liz was barely 3 years old.
You're a bigger idiot than I thought, you don't have to be a certain nationality to have one of their names. her name is still anne i don't care how you spell it marie, maria, mary all mary's but in different countries. holy moses you're dumb.
You're the one who didn't know Anna of Cleves was German. You're the one who said Henry married numorous women name Anne after AB, he only married one.
You're the one who said Henry died "young".
You're the one who said Henry never loved/cared for Katharine of Aragon.
Um actually Anne of Cleves wasnt German she was from the Duchy of Cleves in the Holy Roman Empire, which spread accross modern day Germany and the Netherlands.
@ivvanahh which part did you find stupid.. that there was too much nudity in the show... or that she didn't want to do the nudity? just curious.
Nicollie1062 2 months ago
The real Jane Seymour was very plain and not pretty at all.
PhilippineAmerican 5 months ago
@PhilippineAmerican in their times she was a beauty, the lighter your features the more beautiful you're.
the4beautiful 4 months ago
@the4beautiful light features or not, I've never read anywhere that she was known as a beauty...
Nicollie1062 2 months ago
@PhilippineAmerican Jane Seymour. She was.... ANYTHING BUT PLAIN. She was the quiet storm. She was the sun.
TheSweden000 1 month ago
In my opinion she was wonderful as Jane Seymour
ZZZANNAMARIYZZZ 6 months ago
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ZZZANNAMARIYZZZ 6 months ago
What the hell? Where is Anita Briem the first Jane seymour.
TheIcelandicPatriot 11 months ago
Jane seymour was the less innocent of all his wives.
verobinful 1 year ago
Wow, she's Hot!
pika123master123 1 year ago
Does anyone know what happend to the actress who played Jane at the end of season 2???
movinon5 1 year ago
I would say that Anne was the love of Henry's life; afterall,he wrote 'Greensleeves' for her and no other. He crowned her with St Edward's Crown, and created her Marchioness of Pembroke. All he gave Jane was death, having taken his son from her.
'Alas, my love, you do me wrong, to cast me off discourteously, and I have loved you oh so long, delighting in your company.... Greensleeves was all my joy, Greensleeves was my delight...' Anne's favourite colour was green.
Purkette 1 year ago
@Purkette You do realise that Henry didn't actually write Greensleves don't you? It probably wasn't even composed until after his death. He also had to crown Anne because no one accepted her as Queen so he had to make it official. There was no need to rush with Jane and when he finally decided to crown her the funds were low, then there was plague, then rebellion and finally she became pregnant and he didnt want to subject her to stress. He finally gave her a funeral fit for a queen.
wickerwillow 1 year ago
@wickerwillow Henry wrote that song for Anne. We have the original version... somewhere on the net some fellow put his name to it. Not everybody accepted her as queen, but it's too absolute to say no one did.
Purkette 1 year ago
I love Annabelle Wallis as queen Jane. I couldn´t stand the first Jane Seymore.
funnyygirl9 1 year ago
In my opinion, Henry seemed most in love with Anne Boleyn. Obviously he loved Katharine of Aragon but she wasn't his own choice as a wife nor was she his age. He grew to love Jane Seymour ecspecially when she delivered that prized son. After Edward, the rest of the wives where collateral.. Catherine Howard for good youth, men in there mid-life crisis and Katherine Parr for companionship
KendraWilk 1 year ago
i still prefer anne over jane. anne was spirited, witty, and spoke her mind. jane was too submissive.
shaweebakla 1 year ago
@shaweebakla Jane was a puppet.
Purkette 1 year ago
@Purkette To an extent Jane was a puppet, but she certainly knew her own mind and tried to fight for what she believed in. For example her brothers were reformers but she was a staunch Catholic and petitioned on behalf of the Catholic rebels.
wickerwillow 1 year ago
@wickerwillow She knew her own mind, but didn't succeed in imposing her wishes. So much for being queen.
Purkette 1 year ago
Interesting.
cncmaster3 1 year ago
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How can you suggest, taht Jane didn't live long enough to show her personality???? She was 36 when she died!!! I am so much amazed for her brave to give a birth to a very first child in those times in her age!!! But she was boring defenetely. Sweet but boring. It was very nice change after warior, inteligent and very independece Anne to Henry, I guess.
Syhara 1 year ago
I love the video, Katherine and Jane are definitely my favorite queens.
Lelly26 1 year ago
@Lelly26 Kathy and Janie did nothing for England. Didn't even leave a strong and healthy king. Gloriana was the queen who ruled England for 44 years... reformation and renaissance came through Anne and her daughter, Good Queen Bess!
Purkette 1 year ago
@Purkette So Anne;s only triumph is Elizabeth? Well you do know that Elizabeth's great reign was built on top of Edward and Mary's reign who both reformed and rebuilt the country respectively. If that be the case, well then Katherine and Jane are to be as praised as much as Anne.
wickerwillow 1 year ago
@wickerwillow Mary's to be praised for her bloody campaign, and Edward for...? And Anne's triumph was not only Elizabeth ascending the throne (what she wanted), but also the continuation of the reformation in England.
Purkette 1 year ago
I think that they all were very intresting and this show just makes it more so. I've read so many books on The Tudors.. But, Anne is my favorite. I do think Jane wasn't that innocent but I still think she was good in the show. I love the music from the scene of her death.. Annabelle Wallis is a beautiful actress, just like Natalie Dormer.. I can't wait to see Kitty Howard!
beretta1342000 1 year ago
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Everyone of Henry's wives was the "love of his life" at one point in time.
But Jane never got a chance to displease Henry, as she died so quickly after the marriage. What if she'd lived, do you really think she still would have remained in his good will?
I think the reason she was his favourite wife was simply because she had a son. I belive in it.
anneandkatherine22 1 year ago
she would have the same suffer like queen Catherine....Henry never stops his stupid behave till his death.
Rothy2007 1 year ago
BTW I like Jane Seymour and it's sad that she died after childbirth.
stokrotka1011 1 year ago
I agree with some comments that people have made about Jane, she doesnt seem so innocent as she makes out and her character is very out of place. Anne Boleyn was striking, intelligent and thats exactly wht is protrayed here which is why many viewers loved her character when she became queen over Catherine, who was as well a great, gentle character.
stokrotka1011 1 year ago
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Purkette 1 year ago
@stokrotka1011 depends on how you measure greatness...
Purkette 1 year ago
He loved katharine, even though he was tired of her and she didn't give him a son. That's why when he divorced Katherine, he still kept good care of her, but he always loved her. As for anne you see more love for her the most, anne was all alone and forced to seduce henry and marry him, but during that she fell in love with him, and he loved her for a long time till he found out. As for jane what a bitchy thing to do to lead henry on why he was married...i loved anne the most and lady katharine
izbiz24 1 year ago
Being buried next to Jane says it all.
cncmaster3 1 year ago
He's actually buried in the ground at Windsor Cathedral with Jane, a duke and some four year old boy from the aristocracy. Henry VIII does not have his own grave. It's quite amusing, actually.
VintageVampiress 1 year ago
@VintageVampiress, Henry was buried along side Jane Seymour beneath the quire in St. George's Chapel at Windsor Castle. Later King Charles I and an infant of Queen Anne of Great Britain would be placed beneath the quire.
LNor19 1 year ago
@cncmaster3 Actually,it says that he had no other options.After all,his marriages to Katherine of A.&Anne of C.were declared void,Anne B.&Kathryn H.were declared&buried as traitors,Catherine P.didn't die before him,and Henry probably knew that his last marriage wasn't about love & she'd marry again.The only and convenient choice left therefore was Jane,who wasn't so innocent as people think.History tells that clearly.I adore all 6 wives,they were fascinating women in their own unique ways!
Sztriki86 1 year ago
@cncmaster3 Says nothing at all. He was mad when he died. I wouldn't want to share my last bed with him!
Purkette 1 year ago
Wait...didn't Anne lead Henry on when he was married?
Come on now, both Anne and Jane were pushed in front of Henry when he was married, and both initially refused him.
And when he divorced Katharine, he did not take good care of her, he forced her to claim her marriage to him was incestious, sent her into exile, and forbade her from seeing her daughter. Henry always respected her abilites, but he didn't always take care of her.
LNor19 1 year ago
@LNor19 VERY TRUE!!
100percentbabeLOL 1 year ago
@LNor19 They refused him for different reasons...Anne because she wanted marriage (he spoiled her chances with Percy and Wyatt), and Jane dangled her virtue in front of him, coached by her scheming brothers.
Purkette 1 year ago
@Purkette Well that's all opinion. A lot of historians believe Henry wasn't actually interested in Anne until after Wolsey broke of the engagement with Percy for his own reasons, as he was good friends with the Percys (Dukes) and they thought that the Boleyns (Earls) weren't good enough (nothing ever happened with Wyatt) and when she realised that she had the chance to be his wife she played the virtue card. Essentially they both played the same game it's just that Jane played it better.
wickerwillow 1 year ago
@wickerwillow Jane played nothing better. She pales in comparison to Anne. Anne offered Henry marriage or nothing;Jane dangled her virtue at his nose. Read Professor Ives.
Purkette 1 year ago
People! Come on!!!We're dealing with 6 interesting and fascinating Queens,and so they should be respected,not just Jane,not just Anne,or any of them individually,but ALL OF THEM!!!! Jane wasn't better than Anne and Anne wasn't better than Katherine!
Please stop calling Anne or Jane 'whore'. Anne wasn't whore, Jane wasn't saint. Stop! They was such wonderful woman.
We should blame Henry because he ruined their lives!
Peace
stokrotka1011 1 year ago
@stokrotka1011 The point is, which queen was queen for England's progress, not for the rank itself!
Purkette 1 year ago
@stokrotka1011 The stakes were the same for any queen after Anne... it was Anne however who raked in the most winnings, not for herself, but for England. AND on top of that, gave Albion a great queen!
Purkette 1 year ago
@Purkette If I understand you right you're saying that all the other wives had the same chance to be as 'sucessful' as Anne? If so, i don't agree. They had the disadvantage of coming after Anne as Henry no longer trusted his wives after Anne 'abused' her power. Take the comment he said to Jane where he reminds her of her predecessors fate when she tried to become involved in politics. Also note that he almost killed Catherine Parr for her Protestant beliefs which contradicted his.
wickerwillow 1 year ago
@wickerwillow He didn't almost kill Parr for her beliefs... it was for contradicting him. And Anne didn't abuse her power, she simply wielded what she had... boldly.
Purkette 1 year ago
mikafanatic300: Sorry I don't agree with you but ok I respect your opinion.
I still think that Jane would have been gotten rid of just as quickly if she had a girl or no children at all. He was obssesed with son.
BoleynHowardAragon 1 year ago
I think you're all being a bit too harsh against Henry. By the time he married Jane he kind of thought he might be impotent and was resigning himself to the thought that he might have no more children. He was planning on making Fitzroy and then Mary his legitimate heir just in case worse came to the worse. Then Jane got pregnant so he scrapped that idea and she had a son. I also think he did love Jane. She technically committed treason and he let her get away with it before she was ...cntd....
mikafanatic3000 1 year ago
....protected by being pregnant. I think he genuinely loved her personality, she was calm, mild and sweet. It think she cemented his love by having his son and then dying whilst she was still glorified in his mind. And I dont understand the theory that he would fall out of love with her. Technically the only person he fell out of love with was Anne B. KoA was too old to be of use anymore and he still respected her, he never loved AOC, he did love KH until she cheated!
mikafanatic3000 1 year ago
@mikafanatic3000 If we like humbugs as sweets...
Purkette 1 year ago
Jane Seymour was the only one of Henry's six wives who managed to present him with a living son. A son and heir was very important to Henry and, by extension, the country. After presenting the living son, Jane thoughtfully died before Henry could fall out of love with her. That all.
BoleynHowardAragon 1 year ago
Oh yes Jane was the best wife because she had a son .-_- because its not like she just got lucky... I think Jane would have been gotten rid of just as quickly if she had a girl or no children at all. So saying she was the best wife because she had a son is ignorant... Henry only loved Jane because she had a boy, no more, no less. And yes Jane was lucky. I think that he loved the most his three first wives: KoA, Anne Boley and Jane. Maybie Katherine Howard too.
Kisses
stokrotka1011 1 year ago
I think that Henry loved all his wives. But some people say that he loved nobody only himself. He just wanted a son.
anneandkatherine22 1 year ago
Midievil Barbie...
utopia752 2 years ago
It's the age of Renaissance ...
BoundlessFreedom 1 year ago
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Study a bit of history and you will know that time before Henry´s death he asked to be painted a picture of Tudor´s family..he did not put Catherine there or Anne..he put Jane as the true tudor Matriarcal...besides of the part where he wanted to be buried with her..what else do you need more to see who has his true love?
DeirdreDiandra 2 years ago
only because she gave him a son. :) he need a son not wife! you should read more books.
adriana21p 1 year ago
It may have been because she gave him a son, but the fact remains: Henry loved Jane the most.
LNor19 1 year ago
@LNor19 i've read about it too... and henry said that jane is his true love...
hawasama09 1 year ago
@LNor19 He 'loved' Jane most because she confirmed his virility, and so his kingship. I would say that Henry loved Henry most in this case.
Purkette 1 year ago
@LNor19 And what did Jane make of that for her fellow men? Nothing. Personally, Anne was the queen who dared the most, and now she is legend!
Purkette 1 year ago
@Purkette Jane helped to restore Mary back to court which could have saw her beheaded for treason. She tried (though ultimately failed) to help the rebels of the Pilgrimage of Grace. She also did persuade Henry to restore some of the monasteries in England even though it went directly against his policy. So he did actually listen to her and respect her opinions. She did quite a lot in her short really time considering what happened to her predecessors.
wickerwillow 1 year ago
@wickerwillow Who can say if Henry listened to her or not? All we know is that she was told not to meddle, was reproved and characteristically obeyed, as was her motto.
Purkette 1 year ago
maybe you should read some...wvwerybody who studied a bit more about this Tudors time knows that Henry said,before dying that Jane was the one he most loved,the best of wives.the ones that say it was because of the heir,are Ann+s fans..that´s all.but it is sad really cause you only saw the series,and it is a romanticized story with Anne...it wasnt like that at all...
DeirdreDiandra 1 year ago
haha its funny! he was never said that! And we don't know who was his the best wife.
And I'm fan Katherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn!
adriana21p 1 year ago
Anne Boleyn was love of his life
adriana21p 2 years ago
He fucking chopped off her head.
Yeah, his true love. xD
TheGiraffeShit 2 years ago
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He had Anne beheaded. He wanted to be buried next to Jane. It's obvious who he loved the most.
cncmaster3 2 years ago
she was buried next to him only because she gave him a son-everybody knows that
adriana21p 2 years ago
Exactly. That's part of why he loved her most. He even states that he loved her more than Anne in the movie.
cncmaster3 2 years ago
That's only because he hadn't gotton over what anne had done, and he hadn't fallen out of love with jane when she had died...
izbiz24 1 year ago
@izbiz24 If we could fall in and out of love at a snap of the fingers.... then we don't know anything about love, but lots about infatuation.
Purkette 1 year ago
@izbiz24 You mean he hadn't gotten over what Anne HADN'T done, and that was to give him that long-awaited son.
Purkette 1 year ago
@Purkette It's naive to think that he killed her for the simple reason that she didn't give him a son. He didn't like that she contradicted him and was getting tired of her jealous and nagging nature. Granted he would have put up with it if she had given him a son but he had fallen out of 'love' with her long before that. He just hoped that after all he had done to marry her would be worth the wait. He liked Anne 'the mistress', but not Anne the wife.
wickerwillow 1 year ago
@wickerwillow How do you know she had a jealous and nagging nature? Lived with her? Anne had to go because of Cromwell's belief that she became a liability, and compounded by the fact that she had no son, well. He loved Anne, but surrendered her to the sword.
Purkette 1 year ago
Season 3 has ended in my country right now.
im so sad cause Jane died.She was truly the love of his Life.The only one he wanted to be reunited with,after his death.Remember what he said on helding her hand.looking at her body?He was buried beside her :meaning she was the Only One for him. She gave him a son,yes,but for him she was the Light in all that darkness he lived in.
DeirdreDiandra 2 years ago
@DeirdreDiandra
I wouldn't think so. Anne Boleyn must have been Henry VIII's love of his life, something between endless passion and fiersome hatred connected their souls so strongly
getlost0204 2 years ago
@getlost0204
I don't think Anne B was the love of his life. He spent half of his time arguing with her and then killed her because he grew to hate and resent her. I think Jane was his true love, if he ever had one besides himself!
wickerwillow 2 years ago
@wickerwillow Anne was the love of his life... 17 hot love letters in the Vatican attest to that.
Purkette 1 year ago
@Purkette Anne was not the love of his life.....cutting off her head on false accusations of incest, witchcraft and adultery attest to that
wickerwillow 1 year ago
@wickerwillow It attests to nothing of that sort. If we read what he wrote to Anne in those 17 love letters... well, I would say that he lost his head over the lady.
Purkette 1 year ago
@getlost0204 I would say jealousy on Henry's part.
Purkette 1 year ago
@DeirdreDiandra A torchlight?
Purkette 1 year ago
What happened to the actress, who played Jane in season 2 ?
I think this is the different one, right?
daisyogirl 2 years ago
Katherine Howard was full of flair and expense, and Katherine Parr was noble in the fact that she actually dressed her age.
AikokoXD 2 years ago
I love how the costumes change depending on the wife. Katherine of Aragon kept the Spanish quality in most of her clothing, Anne Boleyn was a dramatic, Jane Seymour was modest, Anne of Cleves had the German look, Katherine Howard
AikokoXD 2 years ago
yeah Jane was just boring
stasiup3 2 years ago
jane wanted to keep her head on her shoulders maby!
dante4peace 2 years ago
Jane is certainly a plain Jane. Especially compared to Anne Boleyn but Anne was simply born in the wrong time. Jane was the perfect wife back then, the mother of a son and obeying to her husband. That was what mattered, but she is just not interesting.
hijlaa 2 years ago
I think most would agree that of all the wives, Jane was the most...boring? Perhaps it's just that I'm partial to Anne, and the fact that Jane didn't live long enough to truly show her personality. She was just so..mild and plain. Obviously the opposite of Anne, which I suppose is what Henry really wanted.
But did he really love her the most? She died before we could really find out. I think he loved anne most. he fought heaven and earth just to marry her.
P.S. This is not a jane-bash comment!
SingMeAnElla 2 years ago
I think it's a common misconception that Jane was "boring", while I find all the wives fascinating, I'd say that title goes to AoC. Anyways, Jane did what she could in means of keeping her head, she spoke out about Mary before and after she was married to Henry. She made a public display when pleading for the rebels. Jane also did some patronage of artists and just people in general needing help. She was a 'Elizabeth of York' when she died, but some believe she could've been a powerful matriarch
LNor19 2 years ago
While I'm not a particularly huge fan of hers, I do agree that she could have made a powerful matriarch. Perhaps I gravitate to AoB because she appears to be more of the modern woman. Of course, Jane was also very brave in speaking out about Mary, which must have been risky, Henry's wife or not. I do know who I like the least in this situation - Henry VIII. He may have been a human, but he was not a particularly admirable one, as we all know. I truly feel for all of the wives.
SingMeAnElla 2 years ago
@LNor19 She was told by Henry to shut up and obeyed!
Purkette 1 year ago
@Purkette Is that such a bad thing? Wife number 3 sees what happened to wife number 1 and 2, and doesn't want to go that way! She had common sense, something which Anne lacked for all her fine education. And as Lnor said, she did speak her mind and air her opinions. Sometimes it worked and she got her own way, other times she didn't. But if a man who had killed his wife on trumped up charges told me to shut up, I wouldn't need telling twice. I'm sure Anne would have done the same if she was 3rd.
wickerwillow 1 year ago
@wickerwillow Anne would have done what Anne would have done. That's the beauty of character. She would be the last to care what others thought. And common sense I would say, is really not useful to others. I say bravo Anne, for having lived her life courageously.
Purkette 1 year ago
I agree with SingMeAnElla
asia576 2 years ago
me too
adriana21p 2 years ago
Absolutely, I completely agree
onlyicouldmanagethat 2 years ago
Jane may have been "boring", but I truly believe that she was the love of Henry's life. 'Tis a shame she didn't live too long.
alternativememo 2 years ago
@SingMeAnElla Jane was a break from the tempest lol
Purkette 1 year ago
they say he loved her most of all his wives, because she was the mother of his only son... but, did he really? I think the actress is strikingly beautiful. but Natalie Dormer is even better.
TheLeaveTaking 2 years ago
Well he was buried next to Jane Seymour which speaks volumes.
It is said he loved her the most because she was very mild mannered and reserved, in stark contrast to his first 2 wives, and those that followed.
She also died shortly after giving birth to his longed for son, after contracting septicaemia during labour.
All that would put her on a pedestal in his eyes I would imagine.
CLARELO 2 years ago
That pink dress looked so good on her!!
hm... that actress and I share a last name :D
I believe if Jane didn't contract puerperal fever she and Henry would have stayed together.
Alura11 2 years ago
@Alura11 And Henry would have continued his usual round of mistresses... what love indeed would keep them together.
Purkette 1 year ago
@Purkette It's believed by most that Henry didn't have any mistresses when he was with Jane. Might have been one night stands but that was common back then. All men did it. Jane would have been untouchable if she had lived, and Henry certainly would have cherished and respected her, even if he did not love her. Would she even want his love now that she had a son to love and was secure in her position?
wickerwillow 1 year ago
@wickerwillow Who knows? I wouldn't want to be hampered by a fatbag! And I think that being stuck to Henry would have been a real weight. Untouchable the queen, any queen, who had given birth to an heir... well, the thing is that you'd have to live with that boring fellow afterwards! And mistresses don't count... only queens-in-waiting do!
Purkette 1 year ago
Do you get the music from itunes?
tudorfan1500 2 years ago
I think you can, however I got mine from the CD soundtrack.
LNor19 2 years ago
wow, where do you get the CD?
tudorfan1500 2 years ago
I got mine off amazon
LNor19 2 years ago
Just started watching series 3 and can confirm its brilliant!...
deansarge 2 years ago
i prefer anne boleyn as queen she's more beautiful
marianna13579 2 years ago
Does anyone know why they chenged the actress from season 2?
geosephine 2 years ago
no, but to be honest, annabelle wallis is much more suited to the role than old jane
AnuragVJKM 2 years ago
rofl, he was, wasn't he?!
Alura11 2 years ago
Henry was a wanker !
rebecca4717 2 years ago
Henry VIII loved only one person: himself...
stokrotka1011 2 years ago
He genuinely only loved but 1 woman: Jane! He was an irrational man, too vain, and easily caught up in praises, just as most leaders or kings!
Anjies74 2 years ago
It is never even been proven that he love Jane. Henry still had misstresses whilist married to Jane, if he truely loved Jane why would he sleep with other women. Also (although i am not sure if this is true yet as I haven't really read into Jane seymours life, i'm more of an Anne fan) but when Henry was told his wife is going to die in child birth he replyed by saying "Let us hope it is a boy then".
laurenlfc48 2 years ago
Actually, there is no historical documents or text to support that Henry had a mistress whilst married to Jane, even during her pregnancy. After her death is another story.
Also, the quote you bring up came after Henry's death. It was made to dehumanize Henry's image, there is no truth to it.
In those days, Henry would've been hopeful that either would survive, for with Jane, he could always have more children, as opposed to going through the process of finding a new wife.
LNor19 2 years ago
As i said I haven't read that much about Jane so i wasn't sure about the quote. It is highly unlikely that he didn't have other mistresses and highly likely he would of loved her alot less if she hadn't had a son and become bored of her. But since she did give birth to a boy it is fair to say he loved her the most out of his 6 wives.
laurenlfc48 2 years ago
He didn't "love her the most" he simply had more use for her.
He screwed anything that would spread its legs if she was in the high court.
Its not about Love, its about gratification.
fresh meat was always a delight to Henry.
He was KING.
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RandomDoors 2 years ago
No i think it's quite safe to say he did love her and miss her when she died.
It is true he did have more use for her. The point I am making is that he did also love his first 2 wives. But Henry loved Jane the most because he gave him a son and she died before he tired of her.
You cannot say he didn't love her. If you look more at Henry and Jane's relationship for will see he did. He wore black for 3 months when a Jane diesd. And didn't marry for 3 years, and even then it was not for love.
laurenlfc48 2 years ago
@laurenlfc48 He mourned Anne while mourning Jane. lol
Purkette 1 year ago
@Purkette Yes he did, though it was purely superficial and for show as you well know. I always find that little 12 day gap in between Anne and Jane quite funny!
wickerwillow 1 year ago
@wickerwillow If there was anything that Henry did without first thinking of Henry... tell me about it.
Purkette 1 year ago
@LNor19 If Jane had not given Henry a son, you may be sure that she would have been discarded in less time than Anne.
Purkette 1 year ago
Men are like that, even if they love you, they like to have sex with other women.
and the men that say they do not, they are just too insecure to go after them.
sorry, but men are from mars
RandomDoors 2 years ago
@Anjies74 You mean Jane the mother of sickly Edward.
Purkette 1 year ago
@Purkette Edward was not sickly at all. He was a healthy child and the worst thing he had when he was young was measels. His only bad luck was that he caught tuberculosis when his immune system was still underdeveloped because of his youth, even today youths die of TB. He would have most likely been a strong King like his father had he survived. And Edward did quite a bit to help England become the super power that it eventually became. Even though he was a child, he knew what he wanted doing.
wickerwillow 1 year ago
@wickerwillow He wanted Mary and Elizabeth out of the succession line. And I doubt that Edward would have ruled England well.
Purkette 1 year ago
@Purkette as for Edward not ruling well, you need to read more, especially Allison Weir...the quotes from many sources, domestic and foreign all talk about Edward being brilliant and possessing the typical manipulative Tudor mind...many of these quotes were written in private papers...he was shaping up to be one of the most brilliant monarchs of his generation, he was very similar to Elizabeth...he was just physically ill, probably exposed to TB...
SleepWhenIamDead 1 year ago
wow, the music fits perfect...very medieval!
Danny30011980 2 years ago
The tudor period was not medieval
kinnoul123 2 years ago
yea i agree, everyone always says henry loved jane the most but thats cos she gave him a boy. but dont u think splitting from ur religion (which was kind of a big thing especially in those days-i mean they based their whole lives on religion), to marry anne, he must of loved her.
elliebellyjelly19 2 years ago
He loved the chase. If Katherine's male children had lived, her place would've been secure.
E123Tudor 2 years ago
i don't like jane. everybosy tells she is so good and was so strict in her beliefs and treated mary so well...but she wasn't better than ane, as she knew she was going to marry a man who had his wife executed to be free! so her character was similar to annes's. jane wasn't the "good girl"!
royalcutie88 2 years ago
i can see your point, but the main reason why many people disliked anne was due to the fact it was mainly her fault that Henry broke away from the catholic church and formed the church of england. but he would have done that anyway regardless who it was with. But I think the main reason was the pain and suffering she inflicted onto Katherine. Katherine was known as a good and kind queen who cared was respected by many.
I believe it wasn't down to any of the wives. it was all henry's fault.
Cla900 2 years ago 3
@Cla900 He couldn't have done that without Anne.... there would have been no valid resaon or impulse.
Purkette 1 year ago
@Purkette
good point. but i still think he would have done it regardless of the woman.
if anne hadn't come along and it was jane, he would have had the same ideas
Cla900 1 year ago
@Cla900 The woamn was different, and I think the treatment would have been too. We don't react to people the same way, and Henry, alas! was human.
Purkette 1 year ago
@Purkette The reformation would have took place anyway eventually, Anne was merely the catalyst. Some think this makes her admirable but it actually caused more trouble than it's worth. Even today the negative effects of the reformation can be seen (Ireland). Had the reformation been introduced gradually rather than over night like Henry+Anne did, a lot less blood would have been shed.
wickerwillow 1 year ago
@wickerwillow She wasn't the catalyst. She was a key element. Blood would be shed when it has to be. And I doubt that Henry and Anne could have done anything gradually.
Purkette 1 year ago
I don't dislike Anne for 'stealing' Henry away from KoA. Henry was obviously tiring of her and wanted a new wife. What i don't like about Anne is how she treated Katherine and Mary. She flounced about like she owned the place, not caring about their feelings. She wanted both of them dead and actually celebrated when KOA died. I think these are the actions of a cruel woman. Jane, however, kept out of Anne's way, was kind to her stepdaughters and never celebrated Anne's downfall.
mikafanatic3000 2 years ago 4
You have to put yourself in Annes shoes, Katherine and Mary were a threat and her postion would have been more secure if they were both dead. Im not saying I didnt think it was cruel how she celebrated Katherines death. BUT you also have to remember that none of us were there when these things happened, so we cannot fully trust written down documents that were mostly written by people who hated Anne.
BombGangGirl 2 years ago
@mikafanatic3000 You wouldn't survive at the Tudor court!
Purkette 1 year ago
@Purkette Jane survived the Tudor court and she never actively sought anyone's death (most thought that Henry would divorce Anne, after all a European King had never executed their wife before) or mistreated innocent children. Anne's treatment of Katherine and Mary is the reason why I can never respect Anne. To an extent she was protecting her interests, but she was also flexing her power for her own desires (e.g demanding Katherine's jewels and Mary's christening gown)
wickerwillow 1 year ago
@wickerwillow Anne doesn't leave anyone cold with her caprices...
Purkette 1 year ago
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Cla900 2 years ago
can i just say how do u people know what henry felt, it was like 500 year sago, and i know it is said jane seymour was thre love of his life, but that was only because she gave him a boy. It was Elizabeth who was the one who made a great queen!
elliebellyjelly19 2 years ago
You just asked how we know what Henry felt, and then you go ahead claim he only loved Jane b/c she gave him a son....How do you know what Henry felt?
LNor19 2 years ago
son shumn a child is sa child none more sacred than the other in gods eyes. I'll bet after his son was born he regretted making such a big deal out of it. yes i'm insulting did i stutter? i don't want to continue arguing with you cause im not a teacher.
donnylovesayesha 2 years ago
All Henry wanted was a son, he divorced Katharine and killed Anne....because he wanted a son! Henry didn't regret Edward.
It's quite clear you're not a teacher.
LNor19 2 years ago
@donnylovesayesha This is a response to your latest post to me, and not to the one above. The tudor times were different. And I would say yes, that was it in a nutshell.
Purkette 1 year ago
Its a well known fact all henry ever wanted was a son to become his heir, so obviously he's gona favour his sons other side of the family. Thats the reason why he favoured the seymours so much because they were all related to his son and heir.
elliebellyjelly19 2 years ago
@LNor19 Vindicated. That's what dear selfish Henry felt.
Purkette 1 year ago
Jane Seymour was a hussy, she carried on a romantic relationship with a happily married man, and then took him away. she was nothing short of ambitious and history labels anne as ambitious. whore and harlett that's what i say.
donnylovesayesha 2 years ago
Henry was not "happily" married to AB, they fought a lot and he had her beheaded in the end.
BTW, Henry was married in Anne entered the picture....so I guess Anne Boleyn is a whore and harlet too.
LNor19 2 years ago
i know anne was beheaded. what i mean is this they may have fought henry was happy with her you people don't understand that just because a man fights with his wife doesn't mean he is unhappy. a man inlove will tell you that he would rather be with the one he is in love with fighting then be with the one he is not inlove with peaceful. as for katherine of aragon well henry probably wasn't inlove with her so anne did him a service and saved him from a loveless marriage too bad he had her killed
donnylovesayesha 2 years ago
Henry didn't love Katharine? Have you ever read anything on their 24 years of marriage? How he disobeyed his Father to marry the woman he loved, how he comforted her during her many pregnancies, and how even after he exiled her Henry gave her the utmost respect!?
Henry WAS very unhappy with Anne, in started asking about a divorce a year after they illegally married, she yelled at him, and just in general pissed him off.
LNor19 2 years ago
If he disobeyed his father marry her then that had to be in the beginning when his affection for her were new. I'm sure he grew tired of her. a man doesn't exile a woman he still loves. Sure he gave her respect but did he try to go back with her? no.
donnylovesayesha 2 years ago
You said it was a loveless marriage, I was just telling you the contrary, and it certainly was loveless on Katharine's part ever, and Henry was crazy about Katharine for the first 10 years of their marriage, from there his loved waned but he never treated her the way he treated Anne because he actually respected Katharine.
BTW, in regard to the "A man doesn't exile a woman he still loves"....well a man does execute the woman he loves.
LNor19 2 years ago
respect ain't love. Never has been never will be. love is stronger. being crazy about a person in the end doesn't mean anything. after annes death henry kept marrying women named anne. i guess he kept seeing her ghost. i know he lived to regret his decision to kill her. he died young. so i guess his heart came to regret the decision to kill his innocent wife that he relized he could not replace
donnylovesayesha 2 years ago
I'm not sure what 'names' have to do with it, but if you wanna go there, He married three Katharines, two Annes(Anna), and one Jane
He didn't die young, it was average for his time, about 10 years after the woman HE considered his true love, Jane, died.
I doubt he regretted the decision to kill AB, about a year after he got rid of her, he had a son, what was what he truly wanted. And the amount he fighted with Anne, and in end he killed her...well I don't think he want someone like her again.
LNor19 2 years ago
Y ou people get me so sick this is why i like cursing you out. I don't care what century we live in dying in your fiftys is young too young to die we are meant to live alot longer. you just want to be rebelous or disagree with me. that won't help you being stubborn. give goodness it's due. his wives including jane seymour were bad. i know in my heart he married the anne's because their names reminded him of anne boleyn. as for the katherines old habits die hard. one an ingrate sometime always
donnylovesayesha 2 years ago
He married ONE other wife named Anne, and her name wasn't even really Anne, it was ANNA. And it was an arranged marriage, purely political, there was no love or AB about it.
He hated Anne Boleyn in the end, denounced her as a witch and incestous whore, heck he even sent Elizabeth away from him because sometimes she would remind him of AB, someone he obviously didn't want to see or think about anymore.
I don't how I can be any clearer.
LNor19 2 years ago
are you kidding me? Anne Anna same thing one is spanish and one english but they both are the same name. As for Elizabeth, well he finally bought her back to court, and who ruled longer Mary Edward or Elizabeth (Anne's child?) of course poetic justice. in the end Anne got what she always wanted
donnylovesayesha 2 years ago
Ok, so you just proved to me you have no idea about the Six Wives. ANNA, was his fifth GERMAN wife, not Spanish.
Also, yes Elizabeth was brought back to court, but during that time, when she would remind Henry of AB, he would send her away, it happened more than once, it's documented.
Also, Elizabeth was her own person, her mother had no political influence on her or her reign, seeing as AB was dead when Liz was barely 3 years old.
LNor19 2 years ago
You're a bigger idiot than I thought, you don't have to be a certain nationality to have one of their names. her name is still anne i don't care how you spell it marie, maria, mary all mary's but in different countries. holy moses you're dumb.
donnylovesayesha 2 years ago
Are you seriously insultng me?
You're the one who didn't know Anna of Cleves was German. You're the one who said Henry married numorous women name Anne after AB, he only married one.
You're the one who said Henry died "young".
You're the one who said Henry never loved/cared for Katharine of Aragon.
You know NOTHING in regards to Tudor history.
I'm clearly not the idiot here.
LNor19 2 years ago
I don't think donnylovesayesha paid attention in history class!
mamabear1575 2 years ago 4
Um actually Anne of Cleves wasnt German she was from the Duchy of Cleves in the Holy Roman Empire, which spread accross modern day Germany and the Netherlands.
kinnoul123 2 years ago