It's not just the forged birth certificate but also the stolen social security number and Passport issues..He was born in Kenya..according to Kenyans and seals his records..Dr. Orly Taitz challenges the Obama ballot and they shoved under the rug..Hum.. Love Dr. Orly..she has grit!
@tombar3100 I know exactly what you said. Your argument is that there is a separate class of citizens (2citizen parents). That is simply not true. Minor v makes it clear that there are only two types of citizenship. Since Obama never had to naturalize, he is the only other type there is -- natural born.
Leaders of both Parties put up Illegal candidates in 2008! 535 members of Congress, 9 Supreme Court Justices, 50 State Governors who all took their oaths of office by their own free will, are 100 % complicit in the fraud! It's not opinion its the Law. See your Supreme Court Justices Mock your Constitution: 1. PJyBXkno5lY 2. Eu6OiTiua08
Americans just keep giving your freedoms away to these psychopaths or learn the truth? Read the Comments (1-18). posted in earlier comments!
@KenyanBornObamAcorn - FYI! Libray of Congress reference, proves translation to Natural Born (1781). in Communications with the French: P.S. Per Title 8 Part 1, Congress grants "Collective Naturalization". Not Natural Born Citizen. It's the Law!
Evidence - Journals of the Continental Congress, 1774-1789
FRIDAY, JULY 27, 1781 Philadelphia, July 26, 1781. Shows our founding fathers translation of The French Natrel to Natural Born Section III
@atoz25 Thanks, but the Obots from the fogblow forum know what I look like. Go ask them. I am neither fat, nor do I live with my parents. I live in my own home, on my 1 acre lot, out in the country.
@KenyanBorn One of the amusing things about birthers is that you people keep going to State Courts Federal Courts and the Supreme Court asking them to rule on whether a sitting US President is eligible to serve. There is only one court that the Constitution gives the authority to decide that matter. That Court is the Court of the Senate Judiciary. Kindly explain to me why you birthers insist on filing suit in courts that have no power to do anything about the things you are complaining about?
@KenyanBornObamAcorn In contrast to the case below. Obama stated on his application that he was a Natural Born Citizen. Birthers have accused Obama of commiting fraud in the form of false information on his application. In this case they are asking the Ballot commission to determine if a crime has been committed. The Ballot Commission is not a court of law and does not have the legal authority to make such a determination.
@ThePaidTroll That's funny. Then how did the SAME commission remove Sal Mohamed from the NH ballot in 2008 because he was born in Egypt and was not a natural born citizen? They had the authority THEN! Did they recently change the law after finding him inelgible and removing him from the ballot, to where they now DON'T have the authority?
@KenyanBornObamAcorn The commission removed SAL Mommed from the ballot because he stated on his application that he was not a Natural Born Citizen. No one asked the Ballot Commission to rule on whether Mohamed had misrepresented anything on his application. For your further education, misrepresentation on a Ballot application is a crime. The Ballot Commission is not a court of law and has no authority to determine if a crime has been commited or if a sitting President is eligible to serve.
@billthecat666 And if she got the original and couldn't find any traces of "forgery", she'd simply claim the data were entered fraudulently in 1961 and that she needed to see the hospital records and the sworn testimony of the delivering doctor and the doctor's license and the hospital's tax filings and the nurses' diaries.
Moving goalposts is what these people do for a living. ;)
@magicmulder HELLO, there is NO original. If there were, he wouldn't have had to make up the PIECE OF CRAP, that he did. He would have just shown the original, DOH!
@billthecat666 Goal posts have NEVER been moved. We say he is not a NBC, which we've been saying all along and we proved it. The birth certificate is irrelevent anyways. Don't need a BC to tell if someone is is a NBC, you just need to know if the parents were US citizens, when the child was born and Obama's father wasn't!
When you ask for the birth certificate, OBVIOUSLY you want the original, not some computerized piece of crap, that was put together with different documents!
If he's not a Natural Born Citizen, the why is Orly going on and on about the birth certificate?
You NEVER get the original birth certificate. It's not like a library book. The state maintains the original. The public has no access to it for good reason. As best you can get a certified COPY of the original.
What would be the point of a state agency handing out the original birth certificates to people? Their function is to maintain records. If they don't have the records, how can they maintain them?
What you have is a COPY of the original. The original documents are property of and maintained by the state.
@KenyanBornObamAcorn If you have your original Birth Certificate then you are the only person in the US that does. The rest of us have Certified copies because the original is the property of the state that you were born in.
There is no doubt in my mind that the document that you have is a forgery. You are most likely an illegal alien that knew enough to get by but just got caught because your trainers did not tell you small details like that it is not possible for you to have the original.
@KenyanBornObamAcorn No you don't you have a copy. The hospital certificate is not a legal document but a souvenir. Best of luck using it to get anything. Try reading the new Congressional Research Service report that was released the other day. It completely destroys your arguments.
@PogueMoran TRY READING MY FRAMERS QUOTES and it's all from the Library of Congress, so you can't debunk them. Go to liveleak dot com slash c slash KenyanBornObamAcorn, it's right on TOP!
@KenyanBorn The framers like everyone else consisted of different people who all had different ideas of exactly how the nation should be run. When the majority of agreed on something they made it a law. I am sure that among the framers there were people who believed as you do. However, apparently those who advocated in their quotes for a two US Citizen requirement for Natural Born Citizenship were not able to get enough of the framers to agree with them to make it US Law.
@KenyanBornObamAcorn The framers quoted a bunch of people. You notice in your case there are multiple authors grouped in with Vattel. Now where in your case did they refer to your narrow claim of what you thought Vattel said on natural born citizenship. Where do they reference it in that case?
@KenyanBornObamAcorn The framers quoted a bunch of people. You notice in your case there are multiple authors grouped in with Vattel. Now where in your case did they refer to your narrow claim of what you thought Vattel said on natural born citizenship. Where do they reference it in that case?
@KenyanBornObamAcorn The framers quoted a bunch of people. You notice in your case there are multiple authors grouped in with Vattel. Now where in your case did they refer to your narrow claim of what you thought Vattel said on natural born citizenship. Where do they reference it in that case?
@KenyanBornObamAcorn I've seen your videos. I notice nowhere in your videos do the framers quote what you claim is Vattel's definition of Natural born citizenship. Just mentioning vattel doesn't mean they believed as he did in absolute monarchy. Also I notice they didn't believe in restriction of the right to bear arms, government owned property, establishment of religion, restriction of the Press which is something Vattel advocated. They mention vattel when it came to international law.
@KenyanBornObamAcorn What a fool. No you don't have your original, unless you broke into the state's vital records and stole it. You have a copy, and that is all you will ever get.
@KenyanBornObamAcorn The requirement for two citizen parents is a Swiss Philosophy that was never adopted into US law. If you Birthers want a two citizen parent law for Natural Born Citizenship you should all move to Switzerland where you would be happy and things would go the way that you want them to.
@ThePaidTroll Can I see your proof on that? Try finding the text of Rutgers v Wassington, where Alexander Hanilton PROVES that Vattel's Law of Nations is the law of the land along with the Constitution.
That's if you can FIND the text. Obama's minions have removed it from the web. I wonder WHY? Can you tell me? Is it because Vattel is mentioned over and over or because the Law of Nations is mentioned more than 20 times!
@KenyanBornObamAcorn No one is claiming that the Law of Nations was not mentioned. I am sure that it was mentioned. It is still mentioned today. However, that does not negate the fact that the Law of Nations is not a US Law. ive
Mentioning a book by a Swiss Philosopher does not magically transform the mentioned book into US Law. I will give you an example and mention the Book of Harry Potter. Now I mentioned it. However I am not going to claim that it is now US Law. Be for real !
@Kenyanborn Hamilton lost the case of Rutgers v. Waddington. Second one of the other amusing things about you birthers is that you always cite cases from the 18th Century which have long since been overturned.
In Minor v Happersett for example. The court ruled that there are authorities who maintain that Natural Born Citizenship did not require US Citizen Parents but that since it had nothihng to do with the case they were deciding they would not address the issue. You guys are funny.
@ThePaidTroll Hamilton may have lost but he PROVED Vattel's Law of Nations was the law of the land along with the Constitution! Even the Judge agreed Vattel was superior to all other writers on the subject of the law of nations!
"Hamilton tried upwards of 70 cases under the NY anti-loyalist laws, the most famous being the landmark Rutgers vs. Waddington case, which brought him an important victory introducing the supremacy of federal laws and treaties over state laws."
@KenyanBornObamAcorn Sorry but some random book from an obscure Swiss philosopher wasn't the law of the land. Have you even read the book? Vattel was a monarchist and believe in restriction of the press, restriction of the right to bear arms, established religion, common ownership of property by the state
@KenyanBornObamAcorn That's a complete lie. The case Rutgers V Waddington is online I'm reading a copy now and it's obvious you seem to have no idea what you're talking about Vattel isn't mentioned in that case. You seem to think everytime that the phrase law of nations is said it somehow refers to Vattel's book. Sorry but no the phrase is a general term that was around long before Vattel.How do you know its not a refence to Sir Christian Wolff's book Law of Nations which was written before?
@PogueMoran So, send me a private message with the link to what you are reading and let me see if it's the FULL text of the case. If it is, I will show you where Vattel is mentioned OVER AND OVER. Anyone can go to google and search for ("rutgers v waddington" "Vattel") when the search comes up, click "books" on the left and you will see it all over, parts from the case and where Vattel is mentined. Even the Judge was praising Vattel.
@KenyanBornObamAcorn Done. Sorry but mention of the Law of Nations isn't reference to the book. I read the case there is no mention of vattel in regards to citizenship law which is what you've been claiming. Vattel was praised for international law not citizenship law. Again have you even read vattel's book?
@PogueMoran Are you a MORAN? I just look at your link and search the document for Vattel, it comes up 12 times and the search for the "Law of Nations" comes up 30 times. Plus, this is not the actual TEXT of the case. It used to be all over the web and now it is gone, WHY. The link you have is some kind of STORY about the case. I'd like to know your answer of why it's been wiped off of all the law sites.
@KenyanBornObamAcorn law of nations isn't a reference to the book but rather a general term that existed long before vattel. Vattel is mentioned grouped in with other philosophers. Notice they dont mention him in regards to citizenship. Wiped off? There was nothing to prove your case in there. They did not reference vattel in regards to your false claims about citizenship
@PogueMoran Pogue, actually the text of the case does make reference to Vattel's writings but it also refers other legal writings that are not part of US law. Tracy doesn't seem to grasp this point and thinks that anything introduced in a case tried in the US automatically makes it US law. She's lost.
@KenyanBornObamAcorn "Moron" is not spelled with an 'A'. And your saying that this committee "overruled the Supreme Court" is a blatant lie. The Supreme Court has never issued a ruling saying that Barack Obama was not eligible to have his name placed on a state ballot. Thanks for showing us who the MORON really is!
@KenyanBornObamAcorn It didn't take that long for me to find the text online. So the BS about it being scrubbed from the Internet is a lie. Yes, Vattel is referenced in the argument but so is Grotius and other law texts that are not part of the US legal canon. More importantly, nothing in the case has anything to do with the definition of NBC. It deals with the Trespass Act and whether Federal laws take precedent over State Laws. Thank you for demonstrating your ignorance.
@KenyanBornObamAcorn More delusional bullshit from you. You have proved nothing. In fact, it is the opposite that is true. All of the Birther BS that you keep offering up as proof has been out there since Obama began his campaign and yet no one of consequence has ever even hinted at Obama being ineligible. The only ones to do so are ignorant Birthers like Orly and you and look at your track record. All the cases laughed out of court and Obama running for re-election. You are so pathetic.
@tombar3100 You are correct. Kenyan born father means a no go for pres. This hearing is rife with fraud. Chairman Cook on his website is an attorney who does estate planning who put Obama is Office in 2008. We The People Against Corruption in the Campaign to Remove & Indict Obama day 511 Nov. 23/2011.
The FBI unfortunately with SAC attorney who called himself Cook is a dead ringer for Chairman Cook presiding over this sham. I have an excellent memory. COOK DISSOLVED THE USA IN 1999 WITH RSS.HRS
Rep John Bingham Cong.Globe 37th Congress pg1639 1862 “All from other lands, who by the terms of congressional laws and a compliance with their provisions become naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens.
Thats not a law. Besides, James Madison "Father of the Constitution" stated in a speech before the House in 1789:
"It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but in general, place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States."
"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States;"
@arrrogantlyignorant What exactly did "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" mean to the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment? Sen. Lyman Trumbull, author of the 13 Amendment & the one who inserted the phrase: "The provision is, that 'all persons born in the United States, and subject to the juridiction thereof, are citizens.' That means 'subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.' What do we mean by 'complete jurisdiction thereof?' NOT OWING ALLEGIANCE TO ANYBODY ELSE. That is what it means."
@KenyanBornObamAcorn If that's what is meant, why didn't they say so? Why do they require us to take two interpretative steps, i.e. "subject to jurisdiction => subjecto to complete jurisdiction => not owing allegiance to anybody else"? Why didn't they just write "all persons born in the United states not owing allegiance to anybody else"? Did they think they were writing a riddle?
@magicmulder They DID say it, read the Civil Rights act of 1866:
"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States;"
And while debating the 14th amendment, they said it was already law, so why be redundant with our laws? The founders were smarter than redundant laws!
@KenyanBornObamAcorn Yes, but they DIDN'T say it in the 14th Amendment. You've just strengthened my point that if they wanted "subject to jurisdiction" to mean "not subject to any foreign power", they would've said so because they had no problems saying so before. But they didn't, so they can't have meant the same. q.e.d.
@magicmulder Go read the Congressional debate's, from Jan 1866 to June of 1866, this is the time that they passed the Civil Rights Act and the 14th Amendment. They are intertwined and authored by the same people! When you read the debates, legislators are fighting over foreigners coming in and having children, which would be citizens and take over California and change the culture and that is why there was an amendment adding in the jurisdiction clause, which wasn't in the bill at first! READ IT
@magicmulder If every amendment to the Constitution had to include the words of the debates leading up to its passage, the Constitution would be thousands of pages long. This is why they preserved the debates from those times, which you can read at the Congressional Globe, so you can and see exactly what the Framers meant!
@KenyanBornObamAcorn "If every amendment to the Constitution had to include the words of the debates leading up to its passage, the Constitution would be thousands of pages long. "
That doesn't refute what I said. I said, why did they CHANGE THE WORDS from what they wrote earlier if they allegedly meant the same as they wrote earlier? That doesn't make sense in the real world.
And in case you're confused, what was said at the debates isn't law. Only what's in the Constitution is law.
"At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners."
Minor v Happersett did not define NBC. They said there were "doubts", which were children born on US soil to alien parents. They even said, "For purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts".
The "doubts" were solved in the US v Wong Kim Ark when WKA was declared a citizen at birth despite the fact that both of his parents were aliens.
M v H was about womens voting rights, not citizenship.
If you believe, from this case, that NBC's are only children born on US soil to two citizen parents, then you must also believe that women should not be allowed to vote.
Precisely! So by taking that statement to mean what you think it means, it would say "you're either a natural born citizen or you're a foreigner". Well, oops, where did the naturalized citizens go?
@magicmulder You are either natural born, where your allegiance is handed down, through your parents. If one of the parents has allegiance to another country, then the child is a dual citizen. To be an American citizen, they need to be naturalized and take oath of SOLE allegiance to American. The founders did not recognize dual citizens.
@arrrogantlyignorant Rep John Bingham, father of the 14th Amdt, confirms the understanding&construction the framers used in regards to jurisdiction while speaking in March 9,1866: "I find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of PARENTS NOT OWING ALLEGIANCE TO ANY FOREIGN SOVEREIGNTY is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN"
@KenyanBornObamAcorn I have one: how is it that you never get anything right? Also, why is it, if what you claim is true, no one of authority or consequence has raised this objection to Obama? Clinton, Edwards, Biden, et al could have pointed that out and eliminated him from the race for the nomination. McCain could have used it to win the election. Boehner and McConnell and Cantor could have had the Stimulus and Obamacare struck down. Yet none of them have even hinted at your BS. Why is that?
@arrrogantlyignorant Natural born citizen is a person with BOTH parents being US citizens. This is a qualification for running for President. Obama's father was a foreign national, not a US citizen.
@arrrogantlyignorant Minor v. Happersett 1875 defines Natural Born Citizen as a person with BOTH parents being US citizens, which is binding legal precedent. When running for President you MUST be natural born. It does not matter where you were born.
That case was about womens voting rights, not citizenship. It is not "binding legal precedent" for citizenship.
The decision said there were "doubts", which were kids born on US soil to alien parents. The specifically said, "For purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve those doubts".
The doubts were solved in US v Wong Kim Ark when WKA was declared a citizen at birth despite both his parents being aliens.
@arrrogantlyignorant Minor v Happersett 1875 defined the term "Natural Born Citizen". Do you see the difference between Natural Born Citizen and just being a citizen?
@arrrogantlyignorant I suggested nothing about "super" citizens. What are you smoking? You are lying by saying Minor v Happersett does not define Natural Born Citizen.
@arrrogantlyignorant Where did I suggest "super" citizen?? Never made the statement. I only talked about Natural Born Citizen, nothing else. You are lying, sir, and delusional. What bearing does the last statement have about Obama, nothing.
@arrrogantlyignorant Once again, I need to repeat myself to people who can not read. I only talked about Natural Born Citizens, nothing else. And Natural Born Citizens was defined as having BOTH parents being US citizens.
@tombar3100 "Natural Born Citizens was defined as having BOTH parents being US citizens."
That definition does NOT appear in the United States Constitution, nor has there been any law passed by Congress or a ruling handed down by the Supreme Court which exclusively defines NBC's as having two biological citizen parents.
@arrrogantlyignorant His father's citizenship status has total bearing on his eligibility to be President. Reread the definition of Natural Born Citizen until it sinks in. You are living in a world of falsehoods.
Minor v. Happerstett - Someone was erasing references to the Minor v. Happerstett case in subsequent cases on justia.com in beginning in the summer of 2008. In other words, if a court case cited Minor v. Happerstett, the reference was removed. This was because it defined natural-born citizen, and they wanted to lessen the impact of its importance. I can give you my source of this information if you doubt me.
The Supreme Court just does not agree with you on this one.
The Supreme Court says that they did not define Natural Born Citizenship in Minor v Happersett or in any other case.
You can try to convince them all you want that they did but I am afraid that you are wasting your time. They just do not by your interpretation of what they said.
@tombar3100 Not only does the Supreme Court not agree with your contention that they defined Natural Born Citizenship in Minor v Happersett but in addition to this you will not find even one lower State or Federal Court or even a Ballot Commission that agrees with you on this.
Also Justia is such an insignificant laymens legal resource what difference does it make?
If you had said West Law or Lexis Nexis that would be a different story but Justia.com who would possibly care.
@ThePaidTroll The Framers defined Natural Born Citizen, many times. Read through the comments here and you will see that you are a bit uneducated on the issue!
@tombar3100 Yup and they have also removed the case Rutgers v Waddington from the web. This case dealt with the Trespass act and Alexander Hamilton defending Waddington. The case mentions Vattel about 10 times and mentions the Law of Nations about 20 times. Hamilton wins the case because he proves that Vattel's Law of Nations is the law of the land.
I wonder why they wiped that one out!
It was all over the web about a year ago and I have several pages saved that have now been scrubbed!
The Speaker of the NH House of Representatives has announced that he has oredered the State Police to start a criminal investigation into the conduct of the NH Representatives Accornero, Harry; DeLemus, Susan; Baldasaro, Al; Baldasaro,Alfred. These are the reps that supported the birther attempt to remove Obama from the Ballot.
The criminal investigation concerns the misconduct that these members displayed after the decision to keep Obama on the ballot was rendered.
Good luck with that, I can't see there being any law against getting angry because of the actions of other corrupt politicians to keep an Constitutionally ineligible man on the ballot for POTUS.
@1776iscoming NH has a law against inciting a riot or violence as well as one against attempting to incite a riot or viiolence both are crimes and that is what is being investigated. Also, you seem to be quite sure about Obama's specific genetic makeup. Kindly tell me where you got a sample of Obama's DNA, what the chain of custody was, what lab did you use, the method you used for the genetic testing and if you published your results in a journal or periodical that is available to the public.
@ThePaidTroll The US has a law that says Obama MUST be Natural Born and he isn't. THAT is WHY the PEOPLE are upset, because of the corruption! WAKE UP!
@1776iscoming The investigation was prompted by reports filed in the post and email. If you read it you will find that it was reported that there were NH Representatives screaming in the faces of the commission members yelling traitors and other insults. If it had been a court of law they would have all been arrested for contempt of court. You are right there is no law against getting angry however there are codes of conduct that all members of the NH legislature are legally bound by
Hey let's organize a campaign and put Vladimir Putin on the ballot, in all 50 states. If a board of elections refuses, their candidacy, Then take it to Court. New Russian Party of America! Hail Communism!
America You have 100% proof there is no scrutiny conducted in New Hampshire or any state, to verify the Constitutional requirements of a person to become President. They are just waiting until the end of Obama's Term, at which point the Courts will Claim The fact that Obama was allowed to complete his term set a precedent, per British Law; which is now used in your courts! Americans are truly stupid! How else do you think the Courts could rule a person of we the people does not hold standing?
I am not calling anyone a racist, however everyone has to admit that it is very interesting that for 200 years NH processed White Presidential Candidates and admitted them on the ballot after they did no more then submit an application and paid a fee and that was fine with everyone.
But now after 200 years since NH will not ask a Black Candidate for more information then they have asked of the White Candidates for 200 years, NH is all of a sudden corrupt and involved in a vast conspiracy.
Has nothing to do with him being 1/3 black, never before has there been anybody that we literally know nothing about attempting to sit in the highest office in the land. If you haven't figured it out yet, he is the enemy, he is systematically and intentionally destroying this nation. There was a reason the framers of the Const. wanted a natural born citizen in the office of POTUS, we're seeing why 1st hand.
Minor v. Happerstett, Natural-born citizen was defined by the US Supreme Court in this case, and subsequent court cases have already used this precedent.. It is the law that Obama is ineligible to run for President of the United States under this definition and precedent, since Obama's father was never an American citizen.
@tombar It would have been very easy for the court to have said that Natural Born Citizenship requires two US Citizen parents. However that is not what the court said.
What the court said was that there were authorities that say that Natural Born Citizenship does not require US Citizen parents but that they were not going to decide that because it had nothing to do with the case they were deciding which was the right of women to vote. There are no subsequent cases that support your argument.
"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States;"
@tombar The Equal Rights Amendment does not allow citizenship status to be dependent on the status of the Father. Any law that basis a child's citizenship status on the status of the father inherently discriminates against the mother. In the US, any law that discriminates based on gender must pass a test of Strict Scrutiny (ie), that the law is necessary to further a compelling state interest. If you were arguing your position in court, what is the compelling state interest that you would claim
The charge of racism is not an acceptable substitute for a valid birth certificate. The only valid birth certificate we've seen for Barack Hussein Obama, II so far has been a certified copy from the Coast Providence General Hospital, Mombasa, British Protectorate of Kenya.
@johndodrill "The only valid birth certificate we've seen"
Really? You've "seen" it? In the flesh? Not just an "internet copy"? You people aren't even consistent in your own madness. If you reject Obama's BC because "he's just shown in on the internet", you cannot accept any other BC that you've never seen in the flesh either. *duh*
@magicmulder YES, Lucas Smith went to Kenya and got a copy from the REAL hospital. they even have an area at the hospital praising Obama for being born there. The Kenyan Ambassador said so!
@KenyanBornObamAcorn Wrong. Lucas Smith did nothing of the sort. When asked for proof he posted a video he claimed was from Kenya but was from one of his trips to the dominican republic. Lucas never traveled to Kenya he's provided no proof of his travels. Kenyan Ambassador? No such ambassador said so. Some random minister of lands said something in the legislature of kenya and his staff recanted it the next day. Lucas got the Chief Administrator's name wrong and the wrong guy.
Lucas Smith the convicted forger? Admitted child molester? You really take the criminal seriously? He's a con artist first thing he tried to do was sell it on ebay to try to make a profit. He's never let anyone see the document outside his buddies. The document is a bad forgery.
According to the State of New Hampshire Assistant Attorney General and Secretary of State, you don't have to show proof you are qualified to be President of the United States. You just have to fill out a statement saying that you're qualified. Less identification is required to run for President than to drive a vehicle. This is the worst corruption I've ever seen in America.
@johndodrill "You just have to fill out a statement saying that you're qualified."
That's the law. If you don't like it, press your representative(s) to change it. But your willingness to trash the law as soon as it gets in the way of what you want shows you're not the "law-abiding citizens" you people always claim to be.
@KenyanBornObamAcorn Wrong the constitution says he's the President that's why congress certified the election, why Chief Justice Roberts sworn him in and no court will take up this dead issue.
@ThePaidTroll FAIL, we already know they truth by the facts, so stop trying to make people change their minds, because we all know your facts are bogus!
Imagine how priceless it will be worth, once the TRUTH is out and known to all and Obama is GONE. We will have a field day, laughing at your comments! Especially the ones that say "he's still President, isn't he" NOT FOR LONG and he definitely will NOT be on the ballot in 2012! Mark our words!
@KenyanBornObamAcorn Yeah in 2016 you will actually be right that Obama isn't eligible that's after he gets re-elected. You should put your effort into finding a candidate that will beat Obama than making up shit about the President.
@KenyanBornObamAcorn Oh, we quiver with FEAR. Barack Obama is the president and, barring death, will remain the president until at least Jan. 20, 2013 and assuming he's re-elected next November, will serve until Jan. 20, 2017.
@tomba In the example below I am using the same language found in the Happersett case. I have substituted the subject Natural born Citizen with the subject of computer brand names
The court notes that people who use HP Computers are universally excepted as people who post on this site The court takes the extra step of noting that some people contend that there are people who use Dells to post and that some people doubt if this is true but the court chooses not to address if it is true or false
She is a terrible lawyer. Speaking as one myself I can tell you that she had enjoyed any measure of success as a lawyer, she wouldn't be begging for donations. She has no clients and this is the only "case" she has going. I cannot find any record of any case she has ever argued before an appellate court. Shes a joke.
@bentoncoar I'm sure she's laughing all the way to the bank. She knows the more she fails the more her supporters will give her money. If she were a true patriot she would use her own money considering she lives in a 4 million dollar house and is married to a multimillionaire.
@PogueMoran Sweeping the facts under the carpet and aiding and abetting a criminal by not looking at the facts, does not equate to Orly "failing" it equates to CORRUPTION!
@KenyanBornObamAcorn That's actually something you guys do while you stick your fingers in your ears. Thus far you've failed to present one fact and yet you still carry around the big blown up poster board of the Lucas Smith forgery as if it it meant anything. You're willingly deceiving yourself
If you want any State election board to take Obama off of the ballot for committing some kind of criminal fraud or misrepresentation, you must first get a ruling from a court of law that a crime has been committed. Then you present that ruling to the election board. However asking an election board to rule on whether a crime has been committed is like asking your mechanic to perform heart surgery They do not have the authority or license to do what you are asking.
@ThePaidTroll Let me see if I got this correct. "You're" calling Orly an idiot, hmm. "Your" evaluation is a bit confusing because "you" calling her an idiot reflects back at "your" intelligence by using the word "you're" incorrectly.
@mike I have pointed out that Ms Taitz went to a ballot commission to argue a case that belongs in a criminal court, attempted to testify during her cross and attempted to ask questions of a person that was not on the witness stand. Attempted to introduce hearsay in the form of affidavits, could not understand why the board would not consider the affidavits. This verges on the edge of malpractice.
Yet your only rebuttal is that there is a typo in my statement.
@ThePaidTroll Then why did this same commission disqualify a 2008 presidential candidate (Sal Mohamed) born in Egypt because he was not a “natural born Citizen” as required by Article II of the U.S. Constitution?
@KenyanBornObamAcorn They didn't disqualify him. He took his name off the ballot. They called him up and he said he wasn't a natural born citizen and he agreed to take his name off the ballot.
@KenyanBornObamAcorn The 2008, Presidential Candidate of which you speak was never accused of a criime. He applied as a candidate who stated on his application that he was not a natural born citizen. Hense, no the crime of fraud or accused him of a crime and the NH Ballot commission was not asked to determie if the crime of fraud or misrepresentation on the application had occured. The determination was based on the information suppied in the application. CONT ABOV E
@mike If this hearing had been in a Criminal Court and Ms Taitz had been defending the defendant, upon conviction the defendant would have perfect grounds for Post Conviction Relief. Not only did Ms Taitz fail to understand the rules of evidence but she did not even know what court she should have tried her case in. All the defendant would have to prove in the motion is that they received inadequate representation of counsel.
Would your counter argument be that there was a typo in the motion?
Barack Hussein Obama II, illegal President, was born August 4, 1961 at the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya and NOT in Hawaii as he claims. A high resolution copy of OBAMA’S KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE is available for free download at WasObamaBornInKenya (DOTcom) … Lucas Daniel Smith obtained a certified copy of Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate from the birth hospital in February 2009. His amazing story is told in a VIDEO that is also available for viewing at the same website.
Obama is ineligible to run for President according the the U.S. Constitution. Obama has to be a natural born citizen. In the case Minor vs. Happersett 1875 is a binding precedent as to the constitutional definition of a natural born citizen. Obama's father was not a U.S. citizen. And according to the definition, by law, both parents must be U.S. citizens for Obama to be eligible which is not the case. That is the law of the land. This decision in NH is completely unconstitutional.
@tombar31 In Minor v. Happersett the court recognized that the appellant being born in the US of two US Citizen Parents was a NBC
However THE COURT DID NOT SAY that two citizen parents are required for a child to be a NBC
In fact the ruling stated that there are authorities that say that US CITIZEN PARENTS ARE NOT REQUIRED for NBC but that since it had nothing to do with the case at bar they would not address the issue
Hence, NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP WAS NOT DEFINED IN Minor v Happersett
"it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as CITIZENS children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.
@zorrodidi Solving the doubts about whether US Citizen parents are necessary for a child to be a NBC would have required the court to rule on whether a reference to the citizenship of the parents was required for Natural Born Citizenship
However the court stated in its ruling that
"For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts"
Since the court chose not to solve the doubts it did not define NBC as the doubts still exist and have still not been addressed by the court
@zorrodidit The Court stated that "all children born in a country of parents who were its CITIZENS became themselves, upon their birth, CITIZENS also".
In the second paragraph, the court in its ruling was distinguishing between Citizens and "aliens or foreigners" and NOT between Natural Born Citizens and Naturalized Citizens as you suggest.
This is how the Supreme Court interprets what it said and the fact that you have another interpretation of what they said makes no difference to them.
@zorrodit Note that in the first paragraph, the court is talking about Citizens at birth. The Court goes on to state that Citizens at birth are natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Blacks Law Dictionary and Oxfords English Dictionary define as a Natural Born Citizen. The controlling legislation concerning US Citizens at birth is found in Title 18 sec 1401 of the US Codes which defines it inter alia as " anyone born in the US with no mention of parentage
@tombar3100 minor v happersett isn't binding precedent it was a voting rights case and had nothing to do with citizenship the definition was dicta and also stated that the court would not address it for the purposes of the case. This is why Us v Wong Kim ark address it as it was an actual citizenship case. There is no two parent citizenship rule.
@PogueMoran You can say it until your blue in the face but even though the court in Minor v Happersett specifically stated that they would not address the issue of whether US citizen parentage is required for a child to be a Natural Born Citizen, the birthers will just continue to ignore that part of the ruling and claim that the court stated that NBCs had to have two US Citizen parents.
It's not just the forged birth certificate but also the stolen social security number and Passport issues..He was born in Kenya..according to Kenyans and seals his records..Dr. Orly Taitz challenges the Obama ballot and they shoved under the rug..Hum.. Love Dr. Orly..she has grit!
Tribulatoryfighter 5 days ago
@tombar3100 I know exactly what you said. Your argument is that there is a separate class of citizens (2citizen parents). That is simply not true. Minor v makes it clear that there are only two types of citizenship. Since Obama never had to naturalize, he is the only other type there is -- natural born.
arrrogantlyignorant 2 months ago
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Leaders of both Parties put up Illegal candidates in 2008! 535 members of Congress, 9 Supreme Court Justices, 50 State Governors who all took their oaths of office by their own free will, are 100 % complicit in the fraud! It's not opinion its the Law. See your Supreme Court Justices Mock your Constitution: 1. PJyBXkno5lY 2. Eu6OiTiua08
Americans just keep giving your freedoms away to these psychopaths or learn the truth? Read the Comments (1-18). posted in earlier comments!
theonlyhabsfan 2 months ago
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@KenyanBornObamAcorn - FYI! Libray of Congress reference, proves translation to Natural Born (1781). in Communications with the French: P.S. Per Title 8 Part 1, Congress grants "Collective Naturalization". Not Natural Born Citizen. It's the Law!
Evidence - Journals of the Continental Congress, 1774-1789
FRIDAY, JULY 27, 1781 Philadelphia, July 26, 1781. Shows our founding fathers translation of The French Natrel to Natural Born Section III
Obots are idiots!!! :-), Lmao!
theonlyhabsfan 2 months ago
As Orly Taitz said, judges and others are afraid to go up against Obama.
A witness in his passport file snooping case was murdered.
TOMSLASSIE 3 months ago
@TOMSLASSIE Many were murdered. Go look up Obama's GAY past!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@atoz25 Thanks, but the Obots from the fogblow forum know what I look like. Go ask them. I am neither fat, nor do I live with my parents. I live in my own home, on my 1 acre lot, out in the country.
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@KenyanBorn One of the amusing things about birthers is that you people keep going to State Courts Federal Courts and the Supreme Court asking them to rule on whether a sitting US President is eligible to serve. There is only one court that the Constitution gives the authority to decide that matter. That Court is the Court of the Senate Judiciary. Kindly explain to me why you birthers insist on filing suit in courts that have no power to do anything about the things you are complaining about?
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@atoz25 Obots take up too much space! Why don't you bury your WHOLE body and not just your head, and give us some more room!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn In contrast to the case below. Obama stated on his application that he was a Natural Born Citizen. Birthers have accused Obama of commiting fraud in the form of false information on his application. In this case they are asking the Ballot commission to determine if a crime has been committed. The Ballot Commission is not a court of law and does not have the legal authority to make such a determination.
I hope this clears up your confusion.
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@ThePaidTroll That's funny. Then how did the SAME commission remove Sal Mohamed from the NH ballot in 2008 because he was born in Egypt and was not a natural born citizen? They had the authority THEN! Did they recently change the law after finding him inelgible and removing him from the ballot, to where they now DON'T have the authority?
FAIL!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn The commission removed SAL Mommed from the ballot because he stated on his application that he was not a Natural Born Citizen. No one asked the Ballot Commission to rule on whether Mohamed had misrepresented anything on his application. For your further education, misrepresentation on a Ballot application is a crime. The Ballot Commission is not a court of law and has no authority to determine if a crime has been commited or if a sitting President is eligible to serve.
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn He took himself off the ballot
PogueMoran 3 months ago
First she wanted the long form birth certificate, then she got it. Now she wants the original.
Moving goalposts anyone?
billthecat666 3 months ago
@billthecat666 And if she got the original and couldn't find any traces of "forgery", she'd simply claim the data were entered fraudulently in 1961 and that she needed to see the hospital records and the sworn testimony of the delivering doctor and the doctor's license and the hospital's tax filings and the nurses' diaries.
Moving goalposts is what these people do for a living. ;)
magicmulder 3 months ago
@magicmulder HELLO, there is NO original. If there were, he wouldn't have had to make up the PIECE OF CRAP, that he did. He would have just shown the original, DOH!
Get your head out of the sand!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@billthecat666 Goal posts have NEVER been moved. We say he is not a NBC, which we've been saying all along and we proved it. The birth certificate is irrelevent anyways. Don't need a BC to tell if someone is is a NBC, you just need to know if the parents were US citizens, when the child was born and Obama's father wasn't!
When you ask for the birth certificate, OBVIOUSLY you want the original, not some computerized piece of crap, that was put together with different documents!
WAKE UP!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn
If he's not a Natural Born Citizen, the why is Orly going on and on about the birth certificate?
You NEVER get the original birth certificate. It's not like a library book. The state maintains the original. The public has no access to it for good reason. As best you can get a certified COPY of the original.
billthecat666 3 months ago
@billthecat666 I got my original!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn
What would be the point of a state agency handing out the original birth certificates to people? Their function is to maintain records. If they don't have the records, how can they maintain them?
What you have is a COPY of the original. The original documents are property of and maintained by the state.
billthecat666 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn If you have your original Birth Certificate then you are the only person in the US that does. The rest of us have Certified copies because the original is the property of the state that you were born in.
There is no doubt in my mind that the document that you have is a forgery. You are most likely an illegal alien that knew enough to get by but just got caught because your trainers did not tell you small details like that it is not possible for you to have the original.
Lyric695 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn No you don't you have a copy. The hospital certificate is not a legal document but a souvenir. Best of luck using it to get anything. Try reading the new Congressional Research Service report that was released the other day. It completely destroys your arguments.
PogueMoran 3 months ago
@PogueMoran TRY READING MY FRAMERS QUOTES and it's all from the Library of Congress, so you can't debunk them. Go to liveleak dot com slash c slash KenyanBornObamAcorn, it's right on TOP!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@KenyanBorn The framers like everyone else consisted of different people who all had different ideas of exactly how the nation should be run. When the majority of agreed on something they made it a law. I am sure that among the framers there were people who believed as you do. However, apparently those who advocated in their quotes for a two US Citizen requirement for Natural Born Citizenship were not able to get enough of the framers to agree with them to make it US Law.
Lyric695 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn The framers quoted a bunch of people. You notice in your case there are multiple authors grouped in with Vattel. Now where in your case did they refer to your narrow claim of what you thought Vattel said on natural born citizenship. Where do they reference it in that case?
PogueMoran 2 months ago
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@KenyanBornObamAcorn The framers quoted a bunch of people. You notice in your case there are multiple authors grouped in with Vattel. Now where in your case did they refer to your narrow claim of what you thought Vattel said on natural born citizenship. Where do they reference it in that case?
PogueMoran 2 months ago
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@KenyanBornObamAcorn The framers quoted a bunch of people. You notice in your case there are multiple authors grouped in with Vattel. Now where in your case did they refer to your narrow claim of what you thought Vattel said on natural born citizenship. Where do they reference it in that case?
PogueMoran 2 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn I've seen your videos. I notice nowhere in your videos do the framers quote what you claim is Vattel's definition of Natural born citizenship. Just mentioning vattel doesn't mean they believed as he did in absolute monarchy. Also I notice they didn't believe in restriction of the right to bear arms, government owned property, establishment of religion, restriction of the Press which is something Vattel advocated. They mention vattel when it came to international law.
PogueMoran 2 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn What a fool. No you don't have your original, unless you broke into the state's vital records and stole it. You have a copy, and that is all you will ever get.
JosephofSykesville 2 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn The requirement for two citizen parents is a Swiss Philosophy that was never adopted into US law. If you Birthers want a two citizen parent law for Natural Born Citizenship you should all move to Switzerland where you would be happy and things would go the way that you want them to.
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@ThePaidTroll Can I see your proof on that? Try finding the text of Rutgers v Wassington, where Alexander Hanilton PROVES that Vattel's Law of Nations is the law of the land along with the Constitution.
That's if you can FIND the text. Obama's minions have removed it from the web. I wonder WHY? Can you tell me? Is it because Vattel is mentioned over and over or because the Law of Nations is mentioned more than 20 times!
Do your homework losers, you look like FOOLS!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn No one is claiming that the Law of Nations was not mentioned. I am sure that it was mentioned. It is still mentioned today. However, that does not negate the fact that the Law of Nations is not a US Law. ive
Mentioning a book by a Swiss Philosopher does not magically transform the mentioned book into US Law. I will give you an example and mention the Book of Harry Potter. Now I mentioned it. However I am not going to claim that it is now US Law. Be for real !
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@Kenyanborn Hamilton lost the case of Rutgers v. Waddington. Second one of the other amusing things about you birthers is that you always cite cases from the 18th Century which have long since been overturned.
In Minor v Happersett for example. The court ruled that there are authorities who maintain that Natural Born Citizenship did not require US Citizen Parents but that since it had nothihng to do with the case they were deciding they would not address the issue. You guys are funny.
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@ThePaidTroll Hamilton may have lost but he PROVED Vattel's Law of Nations was the law of the land along with the Constitution! Even the Judge agreed Vattel was superior to all other writers on the subject of the law of nations!
"Hamilton tried upwards of 70 cases under the NY anti-loyalist laws, the most famous being the landmark Rutgers vs. Waddington case, which brought him an important victory introducing the supremacy of federal laws and treaties over state laws."
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
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Lyric695 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn Sorry but some random book from an obscure Swiss philosopher wasn't the law of the land. Have you even read the book? Vattel was a monarchist and believe in restriction of the press, restriction of the right to bear arms, established religion, common ownership of property by the state
PogueMoran 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn That's a complete lie. The case Rutgers V Waddington is online I'm reading a copy now and it's obvious you seem to have no idea what you're talking about Vattel isn't mentioned in that case. You seem to think everytime that the phrase law of nations is said it somehow refers to Vattel's book. Sorry but no the phrase is a general term that was around long before Vattel.How do you know its not a refence to Sir Christian Wolff's book Law of Nations which was written before?
PogueMoran 3 months ago
@PogueMoran So, send me a private message with the link to what you are reading and let me see if it's the FULL text of the case. If it is, I will show you where Vattel is mentioned OVER AND OVER. Anyone can go to google and search for ("rutgers v waddington" "Vattel") when the search comes up, click "books" on the left and you will see it all over, parts from the case and where Vattel is mentined. Even the Judge was praising Vattel.
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn Done. Sorry but mention of the Law of Nations isn't reference to the book. I read the case there is no mention of vattel in regards to citizenship law which is what you've been claiming. Vattel was praised for international law not citizenship law. Again have you even read vattel's book?
PogueMoran 3 months ago
@PogueMoran Are you a MORAN? I just look at your link and search the document for Vattel, it comes up 12 times and the search for the "Law of Nations" comes up 30 times. Plus, this is not the actual TEXT of the case. It used to be all over the web and now it is gone, WHY. The link you have is some kind of STORY about the case. I'd like to know your answer of why it's been wiped off of all the law sites.
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn law of nations isn't a reference to the book but rather a general term that existed long before vattel. Vattel is mentioned grouped in with other philosophers. Notice they dont mention him in regards to citizenship. Wiped off? There was nothing to prove your case in there. They did not reference vattel in regards to your false claims about citizenship
PogueMoran 3 months ago
@PogueMoran Pogue, actually the text of the case does make reference to Vattel's writings but it also refers other legal writings that are not part of US law. Tracy doesn't seem to grasp this point and thinks that anything introduced in a case tried in the US automatically makes it US law. She's lost.
tgear77 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn "Moron" is not spelled with an 'A'. And your saying that this committee "overruled the Supreme Court" is a blatant lie. The Supreme Court has never issued a ruling saying that Barack Obama was not eligible to have his name placed on a state ballot. Thanks for showing us who the MORON really is!
GeorgiaKev 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn It didn't take that long for me to find the text online. So the BS about it being scrubbed from the Internet is a lie. Yes, Vattel is referenced in the argument but so is Grotius and other law texts that are not part of the US legal canon. More importantly, nothing in the case has anything to do with the definition of NBC. It deals with the Trespass Act and whether Federal laws take precedent over State Laws. Thank you for demonstrating your ignorance.
tgear77 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn "Don't need a BC to tell if someone is is a NBC"
In the real world, you don't. In your bizarro world, you do.
Without the BC, where is it documented who the parents were? (Not that the BC shows the parents' citizenship, of course.)
So if you're a Vattelist, the BC is a necessary (but not sufficient) document.
magicmulder 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn More delusional bullshit from you. You have proved nothing. In fact, it is the opposite that is true. All of the Birther BS that you keep offering up as proof has been out there since Obama began his campaign and yet no one of consequence has ever even hinted at Obama being ineligible. The only ones to do so are ignorant Birthers like Orly and you and look at your track record. All the cases laughed out of court and Obama running for re-election. You are so pathetic.
tgear77 3 months ago
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BeantownJim 3 months ago
Obama's father was a foreign national, not a US Citizen. therefore Obama is ineligible to run for the office of US President.
tombar3100 3 months ago
@tombar3100 You are correct. Kenyan born father means a no go for pres. This hearing is rife with fraud. Chairman Cook on his website is an attorney who does estate planning who put Obama is Office in 2008. We The People Against Corruption in the Campaign to Remove & Indict Obama day 511 Nov. 23/2011.
The FBI unfortunately with SAC attorney who called himself Cook is a dead ringer for Chairman Cook presiding over this sham. I have an excellent memory. COOK DISSOLVED THE USA IN 1999 WITH RSS.HRS
HoneySiegalSurvivor 3 months ago
@tombar3100
Obama Sr's citizenship has no bearing on the fact that Obama Jr is a natural born American citizen.
He was born in Hawaii (U.S. soil), that makes him a citizen at birth jus soli (right of soil).
His mother was American. That makes him also a citizen at birth jus sanguinis (right of blood).
Citizen at birth = natural born citizen.
arrrogantlyignorant 3 months ago
@arrrogantlyignorant We ALL know you are WRONG, but go ahead and keep playin the games, we'll pay you no mind! TRAITOR!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn
"you are WRONG"
And your evidence of this is what again? Oh right, you don't have any.
arrrogantlyignorant 3 months ago
@arrrogantlyignorant Oh I got plenty, read it and weep!
Rep John Bingham Cong.Globe 37th Congress pg1639 1862 “All from other lands, who by the terms of congressional laws and a compliance with their provisions become naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens.
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn
Thats not a law. Besides, James Madison "Father of the Constitution" stated in a speech before the House in 1789:
"It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but in general, place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States."
arrrogantlyignorant 3 months ago
@arrrogantlyignorant The Civil RIghts Act of 1866 clearly states:
"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States;"
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@arrrogantlyignorant What exactly did "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" mean to the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment? Sen. Lyman Trumbull, author of the 13 Amendment & the one who inserted the phrase: "The provision is, that 'all persons born in the United States, and subject to the juridiction thereof, are citizens.' That means 'subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.' What do we mean by 'complete jurisdiction thereof?' NOT OWING ALLEGIANCE TO ANYBODY ELSE. That is what it means."
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn If that's what is meant, why didn't they say so? Why do they require us to take two interpretative steps, i.e. "subject to jurisdiction => subjecto to complete jurisdiction => not owing allegiance to anybody else"? Why didn't they just write "all persons born in the United states not owing allegiance to anybody else"? Did they think they were writing a riddle?
magicmulder 3 months ago
@magicmulder They DID say it, read the Civil Rights act of 1866:
"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States;"
And while debating the 14th amendment, they said it was already law, so why be redundant with our laws? The founders were smarter than redundant laws!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn Yes, but they DIDN'T say it in the 14th Amendment. You've just strengthened my point that if they wanted "subject to jurisdiction" to mean "not subject to any foreign power", they would've said so because they had no problems saying so before. But they didn't, so they can't have meant the same. q.e.d.
magicmulder 3 months ago
@magicmulder Go read the Congressional debate's, from Jan 1866 to June of 1866, this is the time that they passed the Civil Rights Act and the 14th Amendment. They are intertwined and authored by the same people! When you read the debates, legislators are fighting over foreigners coming in and having children, which would be citizens and take over California and change the culture and that is why there was an amendment adding in the jurisdiction clause, which wasn't in the bill at first! READ IT
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@magicmulder If every amendment to the Constitution had to include the words of the debates leading up to its passage, the Constitution would be thousands of pages long. This is why they preserved the debates from those times, which you can read at the Congressional Globe, so you can and see exactly what the Framers meant!
Sucks to have records, eh?
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
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@KenyanBornObamAcorn "If every amendment to the Constitution had to include the words of the debates leading up to its passage, the Constitution would be thousands of pages long. "
That doesn't refute what I said. I said, why did they CHANGE THE WORDS from what they wrote earlier if they allegedly meant the same as they wrote earlier? That doesn't make sense in the real world.
And in case you're confused, what was said at the debates isn't law. Only what's in the Constitution is law.
magicmulder 3 months ago
@arrrogantlyignorant
Supreme Court Case Minor V. Happerset:
"At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners."
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn
Minor v Happersett did not define NBC. They said there were "doubts", which were children born on US soil to alien parents. They even said, "For purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts".
The "doubts" were solved in the US v Wong Kim Ark when WKA was declared a citizen at birth despite the fact that both of his parents were aliens.
arrrogantlyignorant 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn
M v H was about womens voting rights, not citizenship.
If you believe, from this case, that NBC's are only children born on US soil to two citizen parents, then you must also believe that women should not be allowed to vote.
arrrogantlyignorant 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn "as distinguished from aliens or foreigners"
Precisely! So by taking that statement to mean what you think it means, it would say "you're either a natural born citizen or you're a foreigner". Well, oops, where did the naturalized citizens go?
magicmulder 3 months ago
@magicmulder You are either natural born, where your allegiance is handed down, through your parents. If one of the parents has allegiance to another country, then the child is a dual citizen. To be an American citizen, they need to be naturalized and take oath of SOLE allegiance to American. The founders did not recognize dual citizens.
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@arrrogantlyignorant Rep John Bingham, father of the 14th Amdt, confirms the understanding&construction the framers used in regards to jurisdiction while speaking in March 9,1866: "I find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of PARENTS NOT OWING ALLEGIANCE TO ANY FOREIGN SOVEREIGNTY is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN"
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@arrrogantlyignorant
ANY MORE QUESTIONS?
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn I have one: how is it that you never get anything right? Also, why is it, if what you claim is true, no one of authority or consequence has raised this objection to Obama? Clinton, Edwards, Biden, et al could have pointed that out and eliminated him from the race for the nomination. McCain could have used it to win the election. Boehner and McConnell and Cantor could have had the Stimulus and Obamacare struck down. Yet none of them have even hinted at your BS. Why is that?
tgear77 3 months ago
@arrrogantlyignorant Natural born citizen is a person with BOTH parents being US citizens. This is a qualification for running for President. Obama's father was a foreign national, not a US citizen.
tombar3100 2 months ago
@tombar3100
"BOTH parents being US citizens"
Please feel free to cite an actual law that specifies your "both parents" nonsense.
There are only TWO types of citizenship.
1. Natural born.
2. Naturalized.
Since Obama never had to naturalize, he is the other type -- natural born.
arrrogantlyignorant 2 months ago
@arrrogantlyignorant Minor v. Happersett 1875 defines Natural Born Citizen as a person with BOTH parents being US citizens, which is binding legal precedent. When running for President you MUST be natural born. It does not matter where you were born.
tombar3100 2 months ago
@tombar3100
"Minor v. Happersett 1875"
That case was about womens voting rights, not citizenship. It is not "binding legal precedent" for citizenship.
The decision said there were "doubts", which were kids born on US soil to alien parents. The specifically said, "For purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve those doubts".
The doubts were solved in US v Wong Kim Ark when WKA was declared a citizen at birth despite both his parents being aliens.
arrrogantlyignorant 2 months ago
@arrrogantlyignorant Minor v Happersett 1875 defined the term "Natural Born Citizen". Do you see the difference between Natural Born Citizen and just being a citizen?
tombar3100 2 months ago
@tombar3100
Minor v Happersett does not define the term Natural Born Citizen.
That case makes very clear that there are only TWO types of citizenship.
"..these were natives or natural born citizens AS DISTINGUISHED FROM aliens or foreigners.."
There are natural born citizens and naturalized citizens.
There is no third type of "super" citizen as you're suggesting.
arrrogantlyignorant 2 months ago
@arrrogantlyignorant I suggested nothing about "super" citizens. What are you smoking? You are lying by saying Minor v Happersett does not define Natural Born Citizen.
tombar3100 2 months ago
@tombar3100
"I suggested nothing about "super" citizens"
Yes, you most certainly did. There are only two types of citizenship, not three.
I'm not lying about Minor v Happersett. Did you actually READ the decision or are you going by what some birther blog told you?
The decision also said this:
"Additions might always be made to the citizenship of the United States in two ways: first, by birth, and second, by naturalization"
Thats exactly TWO types, not three.
arrrogantlyignorant 2 months ago
@arrrogantlyignorant Where did I suggest "super" citizen?? Never made the statement. I only talked about Natural Born Citizen, nothing else. You are lying, sir, and delusional. What bearing does the last statement have about Obama, nothing.
tombar3100 2 months ago
@tombar3100
"Where did I suggest "super" citizen??"
When you suggested there is a separate class of citizens that have 2 citizen parents.
The very case YOU cited makes it clear that there are only TWO types of citizenship.
1. Natural Born.
2. Naturalized.
There is no third type of super citizen (2 citizen parents).
Try to stay attached to reality here.
arrrogantlyignorant 2 months ago
@arrrogantlyignorant Once again, I need to repeat myself to people who can not read. I only talked about Natural Born Citizens, nothing else. And Natural Born Citizens was defined as having BOTH parents being US citizens.
tombar3100 2 months ago
@tombar3100
A natural born citizen is nothing more than a citizen at birth.
Please feel free to read Minor v Happersett, and show me where it says that there are more than two types of citizenship.
If you are born in the US, you are a citizen at birth (Natural born) regardless of your parentage.
If you are born elsewhere and become a US citizen, you're a naturalized citizen.
There are only two types of citizenship, not three.
arrrogantlyignorant 2 months ago
@tombar3100 "Natural Born Citizens was defined as having BOTH parents being US citizens."
That definition does NOT appear in the United States Constitution, nor has there been any law passed by Congress or a ruling handed down by the Supreme Court which exclusively defines NBC's as having two biological citizen parents.
GeorgiaKev 1 month ago
@tombar3100
"When running for President you MUST be natural born"
Right. And all a natural born citizen is, is a citizen at birth.
Obama was born in Hawaii on US soil = citizen at birth jus soli.
His mother was an American which makes him also a citizen at birth jus sanguinis.
His fathers citizenship has no bearing on the fact that Obama Jr is a natural born American.
arrrogantlyignorant 2 months ago
@arrrogantlyignorant His father's citizenship status has total bearing on his eligibility to be President. Reread the definition of Natural Born Citizen until it sinks in. You are living in a world of falsehoods.
tombar3100 2 months ago
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@tombar3100
"His father's citizenship status has total bearing on his eligibility to be President"
If Obama's mother was not an American AND he was not born IN the US, I would agree with you.
The only one here living in a world of falsehoods is you, sir.
arrrogantlyignorant 2 months ago
I don't mind you using my videos but at least give me credit.
Greg Goss
GregMCMLV 3 months ago
@GregMCMLV Done, added to the beginning of the video and thanks for getting this footage, it proves that the panel screwed up!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
Minor v. Happerstett - Someone was erasing references to the Minor v. Happerstett case in subsequent cases on justia.com in beginning in the summer of 2008. In other words, if a court case cited Minor v. Happerstett, the reference was removed. This was because it defined natural-born citizen, and they wanted to lessen the impact of its importance. I can give you my source of this information if you doubt me.
tombar3100 3 months ago
@tombar3100
The Supreme Court just does not agree with you on this one.
The Supreme Court says that they did not define Natural Born Citizenship in Minor v Happersett or in any other case.
You can try to convince them all you want that they did but I am afraid that you are wasting your time. They just do not by your interpretation of what they said.
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@ThePaidTroll YOU are wasting your time, Get lost, cause WE know the truth!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn Typical Birther answer: we don't like that the facts are against us so we will just tell you to get lost. How pathetic.
tgear77 3 months ago
@tombar3100 Not only does the Supreme Court not agree with your contention that they defined Natural Born Citizenship in Minor v Happersett but in addition to this you will not find even one lower State or Federal Court or even a Ballot Commission that agrees with you on this.
Also Justia is such an insignificant laymens legal resource what difference does it make?
If you had said West Law or Lexis Nexis that would be a different story but Justia.com who would possibly care.
Be for real !
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@ThePaidTroll The Framers defined Natural Born Citizen, many times. Read through the comments here and you will see that you are a bit uneducated on the issue!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@tombar3100 Yup and they have also removed the case Rutgers v Waddington from the web. This case dealt with the Trespass act and Alexander Hamilton defending Waddington. The case mentions Vattel about 10 times and mentions the Law of Nations about 20 times. Hamilton wins the case because he proves that Vattel's Law of Nations is the law of the land.
I wonder why they wiped that one out!
It was all over the web about a year ago and I have several pages saved that have now been scrubbed!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
WELL THE BIRTHERS GOT THEIR WISH
THE NH BALLOT COMMISSION HEARING HAS RESULTED IN A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION
READ BELOW.
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@ThePaidTroll GOOD, now they can find out the TRUTH about why these patriot legislators are standing up to corruption and FOR the Constitution!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
MORE BAD NEWS FOR BIRTHERS
The Speaker of the NH House of Representatives has announced that he has oredered the State Police to start a criminal investigation into the conduct of the NH Representatives Accornero, Harry; DeLemus, Susan; Baldasaro, Al; Baldasaro,Alfred. These are the reps that supported the birther attempt to remove Obama from the Ballot.
The criminal investigation concerns the misconduct that these members displayed after the decision to keep Obama on the ballot was rendered.
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@ThePaidTroll
Good luck with that, I can't see there being any law against getting angry because of the actions of other corrupt politicians to keep an Constitutionally ineligible man on the ballot for POTUS.
1776iscoming 3 months ago
@1776iscoming NH has a law against inciting a riot or violence as well as one against attempting to incite a riot or viiolence both are crimes and that is what is being investigated. Also, you seem to be quite sure about Obama's specific genetic makeup. Kindly tell me where you got a sample of Obama's DNA, what the chain of custody was, what lab did you use, the method you used for the genetic testing and if you published your results in a journal or periodical that is available to the public.
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@ThePaidTroll The US has a law that says Obama MUST be Natural Born and he isn't. THAT is WHY the PEOPLE are upset, because of the corruption! WAKE UP!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@1776iscoming The investigation was prompted by reports filed in the post and email. If you read it you will find that it was reported that there were NH Representatives screaming in the faces of the commission members yelling traitors and other insults. If it had been a court of law they would have all been arrested for contempt of court. You are right there is no law against getting angry however there are codes of conduct that all members of the NH legislature are legally bound by
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@ThePaidTroll NO ONE was IN ANYONES face, we have video, remember? DOH!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
Hey let's organize a campaign and put Vladimir Putin on the ballot, in all 50 states. If a board of elections refuses, their candidacy, Then take it to Court. New Russian Party of America! Hail Communism!
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
America You have 100% proof there is no scrutiny conducted in New Hampshire or any state, to verify the Constitutional requirements of a person to become President. They are just waiting until the end of Obama's Term, at which point the Courts will Claim The fact that Obama was allowed to complete his term set a precedent, per British Law; which is now used in your courts! Americans are truly stupid! How else do you think the Courts could rule a person of we the people does not hold standing?
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
I am not calling anyone a racist, however everyone has to admit that it is very interesting that for 200 years NH processed White Presidential Candidates and admitted them on the ballot after they did no more then submit an application and paid a fee and that was fine with everyone.
But now after 200 years since NH will not ask a Black Candidate for more information then they have asked of the White Candidates for 200 years, NH is all of a sudden corrupt and involved in a vast conspiracy.
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@ThePaidTroll
Has nothing to do with him being 1/3 black, never before has there been anybody that we literally know nothing about attempting to sit in the highest office in the land. If you haven't figured it out yet, he is the enemy, he is systematically and intentionally destroying this nation. There was a reason the framers of the Const. wanted a natural born citizen in the office of POTUS, we're seeing why 1st hand.
1776iscoming 3 months ago
Minor v. Happerstett, Natural-born citizen was defined by the US Supreme Court in this case, and subsequent court cases have already used this precedent.. It is the law that Obama is ineligible to run for President of the United States under this definition and precedent, since Obama's father was never an American citizen.
tombar3100 3 months ago
@tombar It would have been very easy for the court to have said that Natural Born Citizenship requires two US Citizen parents. However that is not what the court said.
What the court said was that there were authorities that say that Natural Born Citizenship does not require US Citizen parents but that they were not going to decide that because it had nothing to do with the case they were deciding which was the right of women to vote. There are no subsequent cases that support your argument.
Lyric695 3 months ago
@Lyric695 The Civil Rihts Act of 1866 does!
"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States;"
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@tombar The Equal Rights Amendment does not allow citizenship status to be dependent on the status of the Father. Any law that basis a child's citizenship status on the status of the father inherently discriminates against the mother. In the US, any law that discriminates based on gender must pass a test of Strict Scrutiny (ie), that the law is necessary to further a compelling state interest. If you were arguing your position in court, what is the compelling state interest that you would claim
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@ThePaidTroll GIVE IT UP! You have lost, BO is illegal!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
The charge of racism is not an acceptable substitute for a valid birth certificate. The only valid birth certificate we've seen for Barack Hussein Obama, II so far has been a certified copy from the Coast Providence General Hospital, Mombasa, British Protectorate of Kenya.
johndodrill 3 months ago
@johndodrill "The only valid birth certificate we've seen"
Really? You've "seen" it? In the flesh? Not just an "internet copy"? You people aren't even consistent in your own madness. If you reject Obama's BC because "he's just shown in on the internet", you cannot accept any other BC that you've never seen in the flesh either. *duh*
magicmulder 3 months ago
@magicmulder YES, Lucas Smith went to Kenya and got a copy from the REAL hospital. they even have an area at the hospital praising Obama for being born there. The Kenyan Ambassador said so!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn Wrong. Lucas Smith did nothing of the sort. When asked for proof he posted a video he claimed was from Kenya but was from one of his trips to the dominican republic. Lucas never traveled to Kenya he's provided no proof of his travels. Kenyan Ambassador? No such ambassador said so. Some random minister of lands said something in the legislature of kenya and his staff recanted it the next day. Lucas got the Chief Administrator's name wrong and the wrong guy.
PogueMoran 3 months ago
Lucas Smith the convicted forger? Admitted child molester? You really take the criminal seriously? He's a con artist first thing he tried to do was sell it on ebay to try to make a profit. He's never let anyone see the document outside his buddies. The document is a bad forgery.
PogueMoran 3 months ago
According to the State of New Hampshire Assistant Attorney General and Secretary of State, you don't have to show proof you are qualified to be President of the United States. You just have to fill out a statement saying that you're qualified. Less identification is required to run for President than to drive a vehicle. This is the worst corruption I've ever seen in America.
johndodrill 3 months ago
@johndodrill "You just have to fill out a statement saying that you're qualified."
That's the law. If you don't like it, press your representative(s) to change it. But your willingness to trash the law as soon as it gets in the way of what you want shows you're not the "law-abiding citizens" you people always claim to be.
magicmulder 3 months ago
@magicmulder The Constitution TRUMPS all laws and the Constitution says Obama is ILLEGAL! Deal with it, we are taking him down!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn Wrong the constitution says he's the President that's why congress certified the election, why Chief Justice Roberts sworn him in and no court will take up this dead issue.
PogueMoran 3 months ago
The translation of "Obama wasn't born in the United States" into English is simply "I hate niggers."
VillemarMxO 3 months ago
@VillemarMxO The translation of your comment into english is simply "I'm ignorant and uneducated"
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
MINOR V. HAPPERSETT
The US Supreme Court clearly defined “natural-born citizen” by two independent remarks:
1. “…all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also.”
2. “These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”
tombar3100 3 months ago
@tombar3100
The court did not say that two US Citizen parents were required for NBC.
Try to think of it this way.
The court recognizes that people who use HP computers post comments on this site.
Some authorities go further and include as posters on this site citizens who use computers without reference to the computer name brand.
As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.
For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.
Get it now?
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@ThePaidTroll FAIL, we already know they truth by the facts, so stop trying to make people change their minds, because we all know your facts are bogus!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@KenyanBorn
No one is trying to make birthers change their minds especially not me.
The entertainment supplied by you birthers is priceless and no one wants to see you go away and stop all the birther fun
The truth is that besides the entertainment they provide no one really cares what you birthers think.
The Birther movement has gone nowhere and is going nowhere.
Birthers are a harmless form of entertaiment that people like me enjoy when there is nothing on TV worth watching
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@ThePaidTroll
Imagine how priceless it will be worth, once the TRUTH is out and known to all and Obama is GONE. We will have a field day, laughing at your comments! Especially the ones that say "he's still President, isn't he" NOT FOR LONG and he definitely will NOT be on the ballot in 2012! Mark our words!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn Yeah in 2016 you will actually be right that Obama isn't eligible that's after he gets re-elected. You should put your effort into finding a candidate that will beat Obama than making up shit about the President.
PogueMoran 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn Oh, we quiver with FEAR. Barack Obama is the president and, barring death, will remain the president until at least Jan. 20, 2013 and assuming he's re-elected next November, will serve until Jan. 20, 2017.
GeorgiaKev 3 months ago
@tomba In the example below I am using the same language found in the Happersett case. I have substituted the subject Natural born Citizen with the subject of computer brand names
The court notes that people who use HP Computers are universally excepted as people who post on this site The court takes the extra step of noting that some people contend that there are people who use Dells to post and that some people doubt if this is true but the court chooses not to address if it is true or false
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
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jmwwd 3 months ago
She is a terrible lawyer. Speaking as one myself I can tell you that she had enjoyed any measure of success as a lawyer, she wouldn't be begging for donations. She has no clients and this is the only "case" she has going. I cannot find any record of any case she has ever argued before an appellate court. Shes a joke.
sergeantnorider 3 months ago
You Go Orly! I'm glad you haven't been discouraged!
bentoncoar 3 months ago
@bentoncoar I'm sure she's laughing all the way to the bank. She knows the more she fails the more her supporters will give her money. If she were a true patriot she would use her own money considering she lives in a 4 million dollar house and is married to a multimillionaire.
PogueMoran 3 months ago
@PogueMoran Sweeping the facts under the carpet and aiding and abetting a criminal by not looking at the facts, does not equate to Orly "failing" it equates to CORRUPTION!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn That's actually something you guys do while you stick your fingers in your ears. Thus far you've failed to present one fact and yet you still carry around the big blown up poster board of the Lucas Smith forgery as if it it meant anything. You're willingly deceiving yourself
PogueMoran 3 months ago
If you want any State election board to take Obama off of the ballot for committing some kind of criminal fraud or misrepresentation, you must first get a ruling from a court of law that a crime has been committed. Then you present that ruling to the election board. However asking an election board to rule on whether a crime has been committed is like asking your mechanic to perform heart surgery They do not have the authority or license to do what you are asking.
You're attorney is an idiot
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@ThePaidTroll Let me see if I got this correct. "You're" calling Orly an idiot, hmm. "Your" evaluation is a bit confusing because "you" calling her an idiot reflects back at "your" intelligence by using the word "you're" incorrectly.
"You're attorney is an idiot"
correction: Your attorney is an idiot
You're not really too smart, most trolls aren't.
mikestheman3 3 months ago
@mike I have pointed out that Ms Taitz went to a ballot commission to argue a case that belongs in a criminal court, attempted to testify during her cross and attempted to ask questions of a person that was not on the witness stand. Attempted to introduce hearsay in the form of affidavits, could not understand why the board would not consider the affidavits. This verges on the edge of malpractice.
Yet your only rebuttal is that there is a typo in my statement.
No wonder you guys always lose
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@ThePaidTroll Then why did this same commission disqualify a 2008 presidential candidate (Sal Mohamed) born in Egypt because he was not a “natural born Citizen” as required by Article II of the U.S. Constitution?
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn They didn't disqualify him. He took his name off the ballot. They called him up and he said he wasn't a natural born citizen and he agreed to take his name off the ballot.
PogueMoran 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn The 2008, Presidential Candidate of which you speak was never accused of a criime. He applied as a candidate who stated on his application that he was not a natural born citizen. Hense, no the crime of fraud or accused him of a crime and the NH Ballot commission was not asked to determie if the crime of fraud or misrepresentation on the application had occured. The determination was based on the information suppied in the application. CONT ABOV E
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@mike If this hearing had been in a Criminal Court and Ms Taitz had been defending the defendant, upon conviction the defendant would have perfect grounds for Post Conviction Relief. Not only did Ms Taitz fail to understand the rules of evidence but she did not even know what court she should have tried her case in. All the defendant would have to prove in the motion is that they received inadequate representation of counsel.
Would your counter argument be that there was a typo in the motion?
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@mikestheman3 LOLOL, good one!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
OBUMMER and his fake SS #
STREETRACERONFUEL 3 months ago
Barack Hussein Obama II, illegal President, was born August 4, 1961 at the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya and NOT in Hawaii as he claims. A high resolution copy of OBAMA’S KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE is available for free download at WasObamaBornInKenya (DOTcom) … Lucas Daniel Smith obtained a certified copy of Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate from the birth hospital in February 2009. His amazing story is told in a VIDEO that is also available for viewing at the same website.
bsteadman1 3 months ago
Obama is ineligible to run for President according the the U.S. Constitution. Obama has to be a natural born citizen. In the case Minor vs. Happersett 1875 is a binding precedent as to the constitutional definition of a natural born citizen. Obama's father was not a U.S. citizen. And according to the definition, by law, both parents must be U.S. citizens for Obama to be eligible which is not the case. That is the law of the land. This decision in NH is completely unconstitutional.
tombar3100 3 months ago
@tombar31 In Minor v. Happersett the court recognized that the appellant being born in the US of two US Citizen Parents was a NBC
However THE COURT DID NOT SAY that two citizen parents are required for a child to be a NBC
In fact the ruling stated that there are authorities that say that US CITIZEN PARENTS ARE NOT REQUIRED for NBC but that since it had nothing to do with the case at bar they would not address the issue
Hence, NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP WAS NOT DEFINED IN Minor v Happersett
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@ThePaidTroll
Correction! not required for a CITIZEN
"it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as CITIZENS children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.
zorrodidit 3 months ago
@zorrodidi Solving the doubts about whether US Citizen parents are necessary for a child to be a NBC would have required the court to rule on whether a reference to the citizenship of the parents was required for Natural Born Citizenship
However the court stated in its ruling that
"For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts"
Since the court chose not to solve the doubts it did not define NBC as the doubts still exist and have still not been addressed by the court
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@zorrodidit The Court stated that "all children born in a country of parents who were its CITIZENS became themselves, upon their birth, CITIZENS also".
In the second paragraph, the court in its ruling was distinguishing between Citizens and "aliens or foreigners" and NOT between Natural Born Citizens and Naturalized Citizens as you suggest.
This is how the Supreme Court interprets what it said and the fact that you have another interpretation of what they said makes no difference to them.
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@zorrodit Note that in the first paragraph, the court is talking about Citizens at birth. The Court goes on to state that Citizens at birth are natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Blacks Law Dictionary and Oxfords English Dictionary define as a Natural Born Citizen. The controlling legislation concerning US Citizens at birth is found in Title 18 sec 1401 of the US Codes which defines it inter alia as " anyone born in the US with no mention of parentage
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@tombar3100 minor v happersett isn't binding precedent it was a voting rights case and had nothing to do with citizenship the definition was dicta and also stated that the court would not address it for the purposes of the case. This is why Us v Wong Kim ark address it as it was an actual citizenship case. There is no two parent citizenship rule.
PogueMoran 3 months ago
@PogueMoran You can say it until your blue in the face but even though the court in Minor v Happersett specifically stated that they would not address the issue of whether US citizen parentage is required for a child to be a Natural Born Citizen, the birthers will just continue to ignore that part of the ruling and claim that the court stated that NBCs had to have two US Citizen parents.
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@ThePaidTroll I know I have a feeling most of them are truly illiterate.
PogueMoran 3 months ago
@PogueMoran Womp womp womp, you've already lost, give it up!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago