The point is the corruption of faith, the mystifying fantasy that tells you what you want to hear. Nihilism is against that (mysteriously solipsism tells you what you don't want to hear, it wants you to believe in it blindly, & I'm a solipsist). I don't know, everything you believe is false, damn the beliefs you have before it's too late (then solipsism defends this by saying "give up what you used to believe"), I don't know what to believe in any more.
That's what faith is: you can't learn it, if a person thinks he exists it takes faith to believe it, am I right? Tyler Durden's work is unknowable, but it's obviously threat and terrorism. That sacrifice stuff and traditional asceticism is unknowable, I kept trying to understand why it makes you happy. Don't bother, that which makes you ignorant must be abolished, don't try to understand it. To believe you exist is the worship of yourself, a faith in you (God), I start to see what's going wrong.
How do I explain the truth? Ethics are an abomination, even the solipsism "no pain" rule (solipsism is supposed to be nihilism with a belief that you exist), the truth is solipsism is a faith: it's unlearnable, that's why it took me years to learn it intelligently when the learnable only takes one day. By the way what's wrong with solipsism? It's unlearnable!
Must each new generation re-invent the wheel ? Re-invent the warm water ? Or can we continue on what history learned us ? Even young rats learn from their mother what to eat and what not.
Do Nihilists come to the conclusion that in reality (and not in theory) it doesn´t matter if we and others try to treat people just or discriminating after challenging such values? I highly doubt that. Most people are interested in how they are treated and that is directly related to how we ourselves treat others. Most people are interested in living in peace and not in war. Some of this feels like some strange philosophical exercises without any anchoring in the reality we live in.
Since we are social animals and don´t exist in a vacuum without being dependent on each other and we don´t stand outside systems, values certainly do matter to humans and it is certainly part of being a human being to have values. To challenge the rationality of our values is another thing. But what is the point of challenging values like "equality" and "justice"? It doesn´t matter to you if you or others are considered to have some basic equal human rights or are treated with justice?!
"Nihilism challenges the assumptions supporting common values such as "equality", "pity", "justice" etc. OK. So how do you challenge it? You mean equality is equally valid to discrimination? You don´t give a shit about valuing anything or about what others value? Is everything equally valid? Crapping on someones floor or murdering someone without it being in self defence is equally valid to being peaceful? Can anyone explain this nonsense to me?
Political Nihilism? What was that crap about "...destruction desirable for its own sake independent on any constructive program or possibility"? So there is basically nothing good in any systems and even without having any other suggestions at all or any goals about anything else all systems should be destroyed? What crap is this?
Rationalist and sceptic I get and would consider myself to be. But Nihilist? I don´t get it. Is it some form of a philosophising for the only sake of philosophising and not really about anything that is meaningful for anyone to philosophise about?
@AllTweakendLong To me Nihilism is Liberating. There is no meaning set for me other then the meaning I set for myself. I am the master of my own fate, the creator of my own purpose and I will not live as just another sheep following somebody else's ideology for no apparent reason. I do what makes complete sense to me and nothing more.
Excuse me, I find this video's explanation on nihilism a bit difficult to understand... on the part on political nihilism and the abolishment of philosophy. Does reason eventually lead to philosophy? Isn't nihilism itself a philosophy? An idea? I am awfully confused, but this is very interesting though...
true nihilist would never argue with logic or reason, same goes for people trying to disprove it, you're farting in a sandbox, comparing clouds of dust
human knowledge and human logic is very fragile as history would show, and records of our history are questionable ..so it's complicated.. try to understand but don't judge
I think that it doesn't matter how much of a nihilist a person is, if you're a human being, you're going to care about things. It is impossible not to care if your whole family gets killed. Just because things don't have an intrinsic, objective value it doesn't mean that they can't have ANY value at all. The same goes with the meaning or purpose of a human life. Those are things created and given by man.
@BastardPoison Exactly, I agree. The only thing I don't like about philosophy is that certain ideologies are of the assumption that they are true in all instances, or are universally valid. When in fact humans don't really operate like that.
nihilism only serves to highlight the primitiveness of so called humankind.we are not capable of grasping the ultimate nature of reality yet...quantum physics is a good example.there are universal laws.nietzsche wept.he was the best part of natures desire to understand itself.
no will to power?no free spirit?no ubermensch?no nature?why is the speed of light constant?why did single cells group together?what do you touch?just because you dont know exactly whats out there doesnt mean to say that nothing exists.dont believe the self negation of a madman.somewhere something is in touch with reality, as it is, and you are not in touch anything other than the words you write on a screen.we may evolve into something that might fully comprehend life if we are lucky.
So...Nihilism is kinda just..."we are farts of some other fart,and we plan to do some farting till we fart no more or till we are too bored to fart!"
In a since,you could just sit in a room,and do nothing...or just do whatever your body tells you to do,or just whatever your feeling tells you to do with regards to nothing at all...
Nihilism is not faith in nothing,it's just "being"-with no reason unless they choose to fart it
Note the use of "are," "is," and "To be" Doesn't "to be" imply "be-ing" and therefore "SOMETHING" that is be-ing. I see positive danger here that this statement is self-negating and is therefore not logical (law of non-contradiction).
I'm not sure what I should be labeled as, and to me it doesn't really matter. I consider myself to be an atheist, as I don't believe in any deities. I believe that it is up to each individual to find their own meaning in life, and to strive towards whatever goals they have set up for themselves. I wouldn't really call myself a Nihilist, but this video gave me some more insight into it. Thank you for making this.
All the people saying they are nihilists and commenting an opinion are bull-shitters, First off why would they care? And to Nihilists "nothing is true, so nothing is real, so there’s no point to anything" Nihilists believe there is no morality at all, and if it does exist it is artificially created by humans. It's really stupid to think like this, If there were no morals in life, our world would be chaos. If a nihilists whole family were murdered, would he/she care? or are morals pointless?
@kyhzer Morality is subjective, and it does exist, and nihilst believe that existence is pointless and has no purpose. I'm not saying that existence isn't true.
@DraconianSilenced if life has no meaning or purpose then therefor, there is no reason to live? people use nihilism as an excuse because they are having troubles in life and there last resort is to say fuck it, I dont believe in anything, if life has no meaning we wouldnt be here in the first place, there would be no point in us being created by who or what created us
@kyhzer Nature has no purpose. The reason for our existence is by a chance that things came together right. This is the reality. Humans delude themselves into thinking that because they exist there is a reason or meaning for your existence;this is simply not true. It's not that I don't believe in anything, because that wouldn't be logical. I just don't believe anything has any significant meaning or purpose.
@DraconianSilenced the purpose in life is to find a purpose in life, We had no choice in our creation and we cannot readily escape from this existence by terminating it, Rather than search for a nonexistent purpose or meaning in our existence, we must follow the basic principles that govern all life: We must strive for happiness, a condition of emotional well being we can achieve by eliminating pain or emotional discomfort
@kyhzer Well your looking at life from a subjective point of view. Once you said, "the purpose in life is to find a purpose in life." You injected your own belief into life. While I do agree that humans in particular do strive for pleasure and avoid pain. It wouldn't be wrong to reason why one would choose pain over pleasure. It's just what one wants.
@DraconianSilenced Although Nihilism seems logical, I used to be a Nihilist to escape my problems with society. To believe in nothing until proven seems like a good idea. I believe we obviously were created somehow, e.g evolution or God, somehow we came here through time for some reason?, why would we exist without purpose? Out of the millions of random sperm going for the egg, the strongest and fastest succeeds (you, me). Survival of the fittest or just pure events of randomness?
@kyhzer To answer your last question. I honestly don't know. I will admit that I use Nihilism as a means to say, "Fuck the world;it has no meaning or significance anyways." I'm like you use to be, because I use Nihilism to escape my problems with society, and my problems with myself. Although for the longest time I believed and still believe that life itself is random and without a meaning beyond what self-aware animals such as you and I give it. Mankind is an awesome and amazing species. (Cont.
@RichtoffenRoach the reason is uncertain but there, like a silhouette in fog, unclear but knowing there must be something there. could be to be happy or sad depending on circumstances, thinking up a thousand different useless religions and philosophy to try to cope with the difficulties of life, and maybe it could be to make something of your self to the best of your ability that society demands, expressing eachothers opinions whether in agreement or in denial. Love, family, happiness, evolving.
So UNIVERSAL KNOWLEDGE, and UNIVERSAL TRUTH. If they even exist, are not things which man can know of, thus Nihilists reject man kinds notions of knowledge and truth.
I think what nihilism is trying to say, and this is just my opinion. Is that any knowledge or truth you obtain on this earth, or in this life time is all based on personal experience and theory,and that these experiences, and theories, are in no way Universal. So it rejects knowledge and truth because KNOWLEDGE and TRUTH are something created by SOMEONE.They are not Universal and they are completely bound by individual perspective,and in some cases a collective perspective. Like religion.
I consider myself a nihilist. I am still emotionally attached to the value of communicating with people on the internet so I write this...
I don't believe morality exists. I do believe we use morality to perceive the world.
I believe we are like bacteria following a growth curve based upon the production of oil. We reached the decline in late 2008 and should see increases in the cost of living today.
I cannot do much but simply applaud your video, here. It doesn't surprise me that some viewers cannot comprehend the genius that manifested into the idea of Nihilism, and therefore, your explanation. As a side note, I enjoyed your idioms.
Nihilism is the only logical way to be. We have no proof our senses are even perceiving reality so we have no way of knowing whether we are acting in moral or immoral ways. Or even if we are acting or not. For all I know I could be a recording of memories paying in space somewhere after planet Xenu III has been destroyed and nothing I do here has any affect on anything at all. Hell I could be in a coma.
@thor123422 Agree to some extent, but even that example implies that there is something, we are just not directly experiencing it. I agree nihilism is the only logical way to believe, as there is no real "goal" or objective of life or the universe, giving existence no true meaning. From this, however, I believe we create our own meaning in our lives, even amidst our real insignificance. But this is just my opinion, and no one has to agree.
@MrDocification I agree entirely, but a nihilist will acknowledge that our own meaning does not imply objective reality or an objectively correct way to live. I think you already know this though based on what you just said.
@thor123422 And why is logic logical? the only thing logic tells you is exactly the same thing Heat+material+Spark does "keep expending,keep expending and keep being and keep consuming and keep going!"
What is so logical about that?
It's just a function...it ends with you expending so much that your parts just can't hold themselves together...and then they either retract,or being consumed by something ells...depending on what are you exactly =P....Well,"logical" is just a setting to some game.
@thor123422 Look,what eventually I said is that the logic you speak of does not matter.
Since you can be in X worlds doing Y things and being U type of thing.
I told you the variables unto this place,and the current "logic" that goes within it.
Eventually,the fact that you responded to what I wrote,means that you live under the logic of this world,or ells you would have decided to die just to prove a point.
The fact is,you follow the logic of this existence-by the simple act of being.
@thor123422 How is it logical? What is logic? And how is logic logical? I could use your same logic and mess around with it. You're delusional, if you really think that you could be in a coma and nothing is real then why don't you go and kill someone? Oh right! you wouldn't! Why? Because you will go to prison and you know that killing people is wrong, right? Right. Nihilism is not the logical way, Secular Humanism is.
@TheAssesKicker I live in an illogical manner, I acknowledge this. However I acknowledge the flaws of my perception and know that I have no way of knowing whether or not I am in a coma. What you said can be summed up by "You don't live it, therefore it cannot be correct." , please leave your ad hominem somewhere else.
@thor123422 Ad hominem is a logical fallacy, it's not a bad thing and I'm not ashamed of doing it. I was just using your own logic to prove you wrong. Unfortunately, it's not getting through you.
@thor123422 Some people make the mistaken assumption that Nihilism is somehow the more correct and true path, when, just as he said in the video, nihilism rejects anything that needs faith, or rather a belief without proof. In turn, Nihilism is just like this. The uploader somewhat promotes nihilism as a negation or rejection of theism, when in reality the Nihilism he describes ultimately defeats itself. With no objective reference for life, their can be no one true path.
@thor123422 Basically, nhilism is this: Since we are the arbiters of our own fate, and since everything is meaningless, we also must make the assumption that there is no universally valid reference for how we live our life, and hence there is no one 'logical way to be', only the way in which we want to live.
Of course no one is truly nihilistic, since we live in society. And in society, no one truly adhere's to one philosophy over the other, but rather are an amalgamation of several.
@thor123422 I disagree. We have very good reasons and substantial evidence that our senses are perceiving 'reality' (an external pre-existing world independent of our perception thereof), albeit in an imperfect way. There would be no reason for senses (or perception, to be exact) to exist were they not to perceive 'something'. Why would sense organs (and the phenomena they generate) evolve at all if they were not receiving external information about a pre-existing world?
@ianman6 The problem is evaluating the evidence WITHOUT using our senses. We cannot use our senses to verify each other because it becomes circular validation. There are many possibilities. This is the fundamental problem with assuming our senses are accurate, because we do not have any way to validate them. Your comment about our senses evolving is useless because without using our senses we cannot determine if they evolved or not.
@thor123422 Yea. So since you don´t know if your senses even perceive reality it must be reasonable to assume it doesn´t matter if you harm or oppress others or not? How could you be expected to know if that is moral or immoral actions?
@katnils Basically. However I'm not advocating going out and killing people. Nobody can operate as a true nihilist. Personally, within my perception, I work under the assumptions of evidentialism and utilitarianism while still acknowledging they are wrong.
@thor123422 ----"However I'm not advocating going out and killing people."
Because you don´t actually believe there is such a thing as no objective values to humans. Since there are universal values that most of us, besides sociopaths, could agree on being morally right and wrong among humans. Or morally better and worse.
"Nobody can operate as a true nihilist."
Exactly. Since it doesn´t have anything to do with the reality humans live in.
@katnils "Because you don't actually believe there is such thing as no objective values in humans"
Don't put words in my mouth. It doesn't matter who agrees on it or who says it, nothing can be measured objectively without a standard. We have no standard by which to measure morals. It doesn't matter if every human on the face of the earth believed that killing is wrong in a specific instance, THAT WOULD NOT MAKE IT OBJECTIVE. To argue from this point is the bandwagon fallacy.
@thor123422 --"...nothing can be measured objectively without a standard."
And you mean it isn´t a universal human standard that suffering is bad and that well being is good? Isn´t this how we have survived as a social species? And you mean we can´t make any form of conclusions about any objective values for humans from this? Is there a point in talking about if human values matters to the universe?
@thor123422 What seems to me to make Nihilism useless, besides not taking our own reality in account, but rather is a philosophising about that there is no values in the universe or something like that, is that it might lead to some useless everything goes attitude and no actions or ideologies can be condemned for anything at all instead of using our ability to reason about ethical issues. That is what brings progress in societies.
@thor123422 And react to things that are just plain wrong. It would for example be absurd to just look at someone being tortured or raped and think; A well, who am I to say that my values are objective and that this person is doing something objectively wrong by harming others? So who am I to interfere and to say that this is wrong?
@thor123422 If a random sample of humans, who don´t have dogmatic believes about morality as being dictated by a supernatural power, but as something that can be reasoned, would together reason about morality and what is morally better or worse actions they would agree on that causing others to suffer is generally wrong (with the exception of self defence of ourselves or others) and from this also agree about objective morality coming to lots of actions.
@katnils It doesn't matter who reasons it if it isn't based on the objective. But let's assume that we do have an objective morality. It doesn't matter because we cannot show our senses are accurate, and thus we have no idea whether or not we are even acting in a moral way. For all I know every swing of my finger executes 50 people. So even if we did reason out an objective standard itw ould still be useless.
@thor123422 "we cannot show our senses are accurate, and thus we have no idea whether or not we are even acting in a moral way. For all I know every swing of my finger executes 50 people. So even if we did reason out an objective standard itw ould still be useless."
Can we stay on earth and assume that there are some things we can assume? Like that you exist and that other humans exist?
@thor123422 And like that it is harmless for you to swing your finger (for all we know) but morally bad if you do shoot down 50 people? Since everything you know about reality tells you which one of these actions that is harming others.
@thor123422 There is no such thing as humans without values. Not even sociopaths are totally without any values at all. And most of us could also universally agree about what humans who are sociopaths. After seeing the true colours of a sociopath and not just the faked empathy of a sociopath and the fake socialized surface of a sociopath. You would lie if you can´t say that you think some actions are morally admirable and some are morally detestable.
@katnils It doesn't matter what humans have what values. Just because humans have values does not make them objective. I see some things as positive and others as negative, yes, but I acknowledge that my standard is arbitrary and ultimately meaningless, and that in this light I have no room to judge other standards as right or wrong. I must make an assumption to operate and I choose utilitarianism, but I still acknowledge my own fallibility and the arbitrary nature of my choice.
@thor123422 "I see some things as positive and others as negative, yes, but I acknowledge that my standard is arbitrary and ultimately meaningless, and that in this light I have no room to judge other standards as right or wrong."
You do judge mass murderers and tyrants as being objectively evil in their actions. You do know that some things are just plain wrong according to universal human standards.
@thor123422 It comes with being a social species, a mammal, to feel empathy (with the exception of sociopaths, a minority) and to be born with the ability to learn about right and wrong from upbringing and society and also the ability to reason more rationally about what has to do with real, to humans universal, ethical issues,
@thor123422 and what has more just got to do with prejudges or assumptions from traditions like for ex. religion and isn´t for real issues about ethics unless you believe in the specific religion and that god said it and therefore something is right or wrong even if we can´t understand why.
Nihilism might be a philosophising about that we and our values don´t matter to the universe. But it just doesn´t seem productive to imply that values are meaningless. When they matter to humans.
@thor123422 I would definetely say it is a good thing to reason about what is prejudges and what there´s no logical reason to value and judge. All actions and aims do definetely not belong in this category. Humans, a social species, do give a fuck about morality when it comes to real situations.
Why I just take the example of humans with no believes in a supernatural dictator is because we all know how blind trust in authorities like scripture and religious leaders that can´t be questioned can warp people´s ability to reason logically for themselves and that they with the help of some dogmatic believes and blind trust in authority, adjust their values and prejudices, even against their own conscience, without having any logical reasons for it.
Yall just need to toughen up a bit, athiest or not, if yu are unhappy, find a way. That dislike bar is most likely the combined size of all of yalls dicks so the comments im reading here are clearly from suicidal people who think they knoe evrything who use nihililsm as an excuse not to kill themselves.
But I can assure you, athiest or not, the human brain is not at all the way nihilists try to make it. whether you like that philosophy or not, it is in no way a step forward lol, and nihilists will find some valid arguements.
it also seems to not care about science. humans have a natural curiosity to know how things work, but nihilism is like who gives a shit. Pretty suicidal to me.
What Im basically trying to say is that it seems like nihilism is some stupid philosophical value that basically says there is definetly no god without exploring to find answers to questions. There are some arguments that could go either way, it just seems like you are comparing it too much with athiesm.
@cmessina091 Reason and Nothing are not opposites. The opposite of reason is nonsense. And nihilism is not so much 'embracing nothing' as believing that nothing matters. You can be a nihilist and reasonable, just accepting that reason does not matter.
Nihilism in the strictest sense is rejecting knowledge or truth of anykind. The earliest people were most likely nihilists, but then learned how to adapt to environment, and find knowledge. I would say its a step back because it already existed with the earliest people, but they learned and passes it on to generations.
@Utterbach I guess part of what you are saying is somehwta logical, but the actual defintion of nihilism is rejcting knowledge or truth. Look it up. Its saying that nothing really matters, butit seems youare comparing it too much with athiesm.
This video makes nihilism too synonomous with atheism. I don't believe that the two are one and the same. I know, the video doesn't say this directly.
but wat if soemone KNEW for real that there are spirits. dont know about god or afterlife or any of that but the one line given to them is that they know their is a place where spirits dwell. go along with me hypothetically, how would that affect that persons nihilistic view?
1. At it's base, nihilism is the rejection of knowledge of any kind.
2. Keeping that in mind, let's say I KNOW the sun is hot, the grass is green, and one day I will die alone, yada yada. Why should knowledge of this affect my views? Even if there are spirits, who's to say there is any rhyme or reason for them? Who's to say they have more or less purpose than a human?
Thank you for taking the time to make this video! It really helped me to explain this thing I've believed in for so long, or NOT believed in rather, It's actually amazing to think there are other people out there who think the same way I do! Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you!!!
This video is flawed, the creator knows little of nihilism. This is obvious in his suggestions that things should be abolished. Abolish faith because it is in your opinion detrimental? A nihlist knows there is no right and wrong or preference as there is no such thing as intrinsic value.
its impossible to be a nihilist, since all of you people were raised as a part of society, all of you think that beautiful girls are beautiful, if youre going to be a nihilist you arent allowed to follow that, ahh fuck it i dont know how to explain it.
@bergAgreb Its important for a nihilist to think by himself ...if a nihilist thinks a girl is beautiful. what does that have to do what other ppl think..cause he came to that conclusion by himself..just cause other think she is beautiful doesnt mean the nihilist thinks that shes beautful just because every1 else thinks that also,,,
But i think everybody should look for his own attitude for life, instead of following another one, because there are always lots of paradoxes in nihilism and other isms.
@bergAgreb What defines an attractive person isn't dictated by society but by biology. The brain determines if a potential mate has "good genetics" by how "nice" their body looks. Facial symmetry indicates sound genetics and body build indicates good development and hormonal balance. Subscribing to nihilism doesn't require one to reject biological imperatives and be celibate.
But that's not true, it's our parents/school/media that made us think that way.
That's the reason why girls always wear make-up, children don't question god's existence, etc.The main problem with human beings is that we let ourself controlled way to fast, instead of thinking rational.That's the reason why i am solipsist, because even if i can learn something new, the first thing i do is to question it, and then i either agree or disagree, which is where most human beings fail
@bergAgreb Well, the best I can understand it is that somebody with a foot fetish liably developed it this way:
Women don't normally run around barefoot, so our guy doesn't see bare feet much. The only time he sees bare feet is when women are naked, and the only time women are naked is when he's about to pork them. He associates, subconsciously, bare feet with porking women.
The same sort of association is probably what gives other people other fetishes, in a similar manner.
Thank you for making this video, very informative. I have thought like this for so long and did not even know about the word "nihilist" and i recently discovered it, and read up on it. it is definitely what i am
live in such a way as to derive the greatest amount of pleasure possible during one’s lifetime, yet doing so moderately in order to avoid the suffering incurred by overindulgence in such pleasure. The emphasis was placed on pleasures of the mind rather than on physical pleasures
@Ozscii What the dude said is basically what nihilists believe, but a true nihilist recognizes that any concern he has for what other people do is arbitrary and has no inherent value. He doesn't preach
My answer to your first question is that while nihilism says, "there is no reason to do anything," it also says, "there is no reason not to do anything." Suicide isn't a bad thing in this philosophy, but it isn't an inevitable conclusion either.
Text books in The United States are all made in Texas. The medical industry is an industry which is out to make money. It all depends on what you are talking about. Everything is indicative of a greater issue. Evidence is just the half of it. Although Descartes was wrong, his points had value beyond their actual meaning. Although there is disbelief in Jesus's existence as a Messiah, the message of The Christian Church ended the heresy of The Roman Empire which believed in killing the weak.
I should point out that even if there is proof, the evidence can mislead. This is the belief in descartes system of evaluation. The process of science is good, but you have to remember the ideas Voltaire's examination of the process of discourse through the utility of wisdom in the conflict between the masses which believe in reverence of number. Essentially there is, society (mob), the orator, and the philosopher. As socrates, though smartest dies by the hand of a different system.
Nietzche was the philosopher closely associated with nihilism. The Nazi strom troopers always praised Nietzche for he personified many of their ideals. Hitler revered him, and often visited his museum. The idea of the supermen and the will to power is reflected in the Nazi worldview. It is philosopers like Nietzche that could have been responsible for the genocide of 6 million Jews. Nietzche refered to himself as the anti-christ!!!
heh...more like the people behind the curtain who funded both sides of the war, introduced hitler to eugenics or social darwinism. the idea that hitler and his nazi regime blew totally out of proportion and as you mentioned, attempted genocide. neitzche was just a guy who wrote books. and he wasnt the father of nihilism, he's just the most well known...thus spoke zarathustra is a good one, read that.
@SciNonymous10: Dear Friend, I obeyed you and did my research. The general consensus is that Nietzche the nihlist died of neurosyphillis at 55. Other specialists say he died from a common illness called fronto temporal demetia. In 1889, he was admitted to Basel Mental Asylum and transferred to Jena Mental Asylum until his death at 25 from tertiary cerebral syphillis. It is thought that his contradictory philosophy could have been influenced by his morbid state of mind.
Nature is pure war with every man against another, so man is only civilized by the threat of violence against him for transgressions upon his neighbor.
Counterorder is just one website created by one person espousing a view of what nihilism is or isn't. I think he's political aspirations are laughable.
"I fear no man, no god, seek no heaven, fear no hell, have no heroes, no faith, bow before no one." seems like an ideology to me, not a particularly useful one either. just a way of making an island of yourself so you don't have to risk suffering disappointment
I thought I had already commented on this video, but I guess not. I really like it and am glad that it's here for people to see. Nihilism is misunderstood by those who do not think as a nihilist thinks and fear such a way of thinking. Their definitions are inaccurate and always negative, whereas nihilism is, in reality, neither negative nor positive - it simply is.
Be the nihilist!
Hoobifta 6 days ago
The point is the corruption of faith, the mystifying fantasy that tells you what you want to hear. Nihilism is against that (mysteriously solipsism tells you what you don't want to hear, it wants you to believe in it blindly, & I'm a solipsist). I don't know, everything you believe is false, damn the beliefs you have before it's too late (then solipsism defends this by saying "give up what you used to believe"), I don't know what to believe in any more.
Hoobifta 1 week ago
That's what faith is: you can't learn it, if a person thinks he exists it takes faith to believe it, am I right? Tyler Durden's work is unknowable, but it's obviously threat and terrorism. That sacrifice stuff and traditional asceticism is unknowable, I kept trying to understand why it makes you happy. Don't bother, that which makes you ignorant must be abolished, don't try to understand it. To believe you exist is the worship of yourself, a faith in you (God), I start to see what's going wrong.
Hoobifta 1 week ago
How do I explain the truth? Ethics are an abomination, even the solipsism "no pain" rule (solipsism is supposed to be nihilism with a belief that you exist), the truth is solipsism is a faith: it's unlearnable, that's why it took me years to learn it intelligently when the learnable only takes one day. By the way what's wrong with solipsism? It's unlearnable!
Hoobifta 1 week ago
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Hoobifta 1 week ago
Must each new generation re-invent the wheel ? Re-invent the warm water ? Or can we continue on what history learned us ? Even young rats learn from their mother what to eat and what not.
goegelwoegel 1 month ago
Do Nihilists come to the conclusion that in reality (and not in theory) it doesn´t matter if we and others try to treat people just or discriminating after challenging such values? I highly doubt that. Most people are interested in how they are treated and that is directly related to how we ourselves treat others. Most people are interested in living in peace and not in war. Some of this feels like some strange philosophical exercises without any anchoring in the reality we live in.
katnils 1 month ago
Since we are social animals and don´t exist in a vacuum without being dependent on each other and we don´t stand outside systems, values certainly do matter to humans and it is certainly part of being a human being to have values. To challenge the rationality of our values is another thing. But what is the point of challenging values like "equality" and "justice"? It doesn´t matter to you if you or others are considered to have some basic equal human rights or are treated with justice?!
katnils 1 month ago
"Nihilism challenges the assumptions supporting common values such as "equality", "pity", "justice" etc. OK. So how do you challenge it? You mean equality is equally valid to discrimination? You don´t give a shit about valuing anything or about what others value? Is everything equally valid? Crapping on someones floor or murdering someone without it being in self defence is equally valid to being peaceful? Can anyone explain this nonsense to me?
katnils 1 month ago
Political Nihilism? What was that crap about "...destruction desirable for its own sake independent on any constructive program or possibility"? So there is basically nothing good in any systems and even without having any other suggestions at all or any goals about anything else all systems should be destroyed? What crap is this?
katnils 1 month ago
That didn´t explain much to me.
Rationalist and sceptic I get and would consider myself to be. But Nihilist? I don´t get it. Is it some form of a philosophising for the only sake of philosophising and not really about anything that is meaningful for anyone to philosophise about?
katnils 1 month ago
Nihilism is depressing. I choose ignorance. We truly have no purpose at all. We just exist... wait, do we?
AllTweakendLong 1 month ago
@AllTweakendLong To me Nihilism is Liberating. There is no meaning set for me other then the meaning I set for myself. I am the master of my own fate, the creator of my own purpose and I will not live as just another sheep following somebody else's ideology for no apparent reason. I do what makes complete sense to me and nothing more.
Crieph 1 month ago
Does it have to be heavy metal?
asubjectiveopinion 1 month ago
Excuse me, I find this video's explanation on nihilism a bit difficult to understand... on the part on political nihilism and the abolishment of philosophy. Does reason eventually lead to philosophy? Isn't nihilism itself a philosophy? An idea? I am awfully confused, but this is very interesting though...
mAwesome334 1 month ago
I like turtles.
mrelisamuel 1 month ago
true nihilist would never argue with logic or reason, same goes for people trying to disprove it, you're farting in a sandbox, comparing clouds of dust
human knowledge and human logic is very fragile as history would show, and records of our history are questionable ..so it's complicated.. try to understand but don't judge
zidanicleon 1 month ago
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If someone wants to be 100% logical, he/she becomes a nihilist.
I think that is happening to me right now. I'm not saying I enjoy it.
One can live as a nihilist but still respect other people's values and live a long life because of curiosity.
tontsa911 2 months ago
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tontsa911 2 months ago
Nothing exists save empty space and you, and you are but a thought.
SagaciousSilence 2 months ago
I think that it doesn't matter how much of a nihilist a person is, if you're a human being, you're going to care about things. It is impossible not to care if your whole family gets killed. Just because things don't have an intrinsic, objective value it doesn't mean that they can't have ANY value at all. The same goes with the meaning or purpose of a human life. Those are things created and given by man.
BastardPoison 3 months ago
@BastardPoison Exactly, I agree. The only thing I don't like about philosophy is that certain ideologies are of the assumption that they are true in all instances, or are universally valid. When in fact humans don't really operate like that.
InternetLawman 3 months ago
Nihilism is being realistic and not living in a dream world. George carlin, Frankie boyle, nihilsts and wise men
TheRacketBoss 3 months ago
nihilism only serves to highlight the primitiveness of so called humankind.we are not capable of grasping the ultimate nature of reality yet...quantum physics is a good example.there are universal laws.nietzsche wept.he was the best part of natures desire to understand itself.
aeronautofthespirit1 3 months ago
no will to power?no free spirit?no ubermensch?no nature?why is the speed of light constant?why did single cells group together?what do you touch?just because you dont know exactly whats out there doesnt mean to say that nothing exists.dont believe the self negation of a madman.somewhere something is in touch with reality, as it is, and you are not in touch anything other than the words you write on a screen.we may evolve into something that might fully comprehend life if we are lucky.
aeronautofthespirit1 3 months ago
A proof that I'm not a nihilist!
I'm an Undead in terms of Ideology =D
So...Nihilism is kinda just..."we are farts of some other fart,and we plan to do some farting till we fart no more or till we are too bored to fart!"
In a since,you could just sit in a room,and do nothing...or just do whatever your body tells you to do,or just whatever your feeling tells you to do with regards to nothing at all...
Nihilism is not faith in nothing,it's just "being"-with no reason unless they choose to fart it
Wharwulif 3 months ago
type o :D
Arseizonmyhead 3 months ago
We are nothing... Nothing is forever... To be nothing is inevitable.
Killoutoflove 4 months ago
Note the use of "are," "is," and "To be" Doesn't "to be" imply "be-ing" and therefore "SOMETHING" that is be-ing. I see positive danger here that this statement is self-negating and is therefore not logical (law of non-contradiction).
DarthNaver1 4 months ago
I used to be a nihilist but I kinda lost faith
casbakebab 4 months ago
I'm not sure what I should be labeled as, and to me it doesn't really matter. I consider myself to be an atheist, as I don't believe in any deities. I believe that it is up to each individual to find their own meaning in life, and to strive towards whatever goals they have set up for themselves. I wouldn't really call myself a Nihilist, but this video gave me some more insight into it. Thank you for making this.
JockensRebirth 4 months ago
I'm an skeptical atheist/nihilist and proud of it, since a little blond child :D
RichtoffenRoach 5 months ago
All the people saying they are nihilists and commenting an opinion are bull-shitters, First off why would they care? And to Nihilists "nothing is true, so nothing is real, so there’s no point to anything" Nihilists believe there is no morality at all, and if it does exist it is artificially created by humans. It's really stupid to think like this, If there were no morals in life, our world would be chaos. If a nihilists whole family were murdered, would he/she care? or are morals pointless?
kyhzer 5 months ago
@kyhzer Morality is subjective, and it does exist, and nihilst believe that existence is pointless and has no purpose. I'm not saying that existence isn't true.
DraconianSilenced 5 months ago
@DraconianSilenced then if life is poinless, put a gun to your head and shoot it, instead of earning money and going on the internet?
kyhzer 5 months ago
@kyhzer I don't understand why some people think that because one believes life has no meaning or purpose, that one should kill themselves.
DraconianSilenced 5 months ago
@DraconianSilenced if life has no meaning or purpose then therefor, there is no reason to live? people use nihilism as an excuse because they are having troubles in life and there last resort is to say fuck it, I dont believe in anything, if life has no meaning we wouldnt be here in the first place, there would be no point in us being created by who or what created us
kyhzer 5 months ago
@kyhzer Nature has no purpose. The reason for our existence is by a chance that things came together right. This is the reality. Humans delude themselves into thinking that because they exist there is a reason or meaning for your existence;this is simply not true. It's not that I don't believe in anything, because that wouldn't be logical. I just don't believe anything has any significant meaning or purpose.
DraconianSilenced 5 months ago
@DraconianSilenced the purpose in life is to find a purpose in life, We had no choice in our creation and we cannot readily escape from this existence by terminating it, Rather than search for a nonexistent purpose or meaning in our existence, we must follow the basic principles that govern all life: We must strive for happiness, a condition of emotional well being we can achieve by eliminating pain or emotional discomfort
kyhzer 5 months ago
@kyhzer Well your looking at life from a subjective point of view. Once you said, "the purpose in life is to find a purpose in life." You injected your own belief into life. While I do agree that humans in particular do strive for pleasure and avoid pain. It wouldn't be wrong to reason why one would choose pain over pleasure. It's just what one wants.
DraconianSilenced 5 months ago
@DraconianSilenced Although Nihilism seems logical, I used to be a Nihilist to escape my problems with society. To believe in nothing until proven seems like a good idea. I believe we obviously were created somehow, e.g evolution or God, somehow we came here through time for some reason?, why would we exist without purpose? Out of the millions of random sperm going for the egg, the strongest and fastest succeeds (you, me). Survival of the fittest or just pure events of randomness?
kyhzer 5 months ago
@kyhzer To answer your last question. I honestly don't know. I will admit that I use Nihilism as a means to say, "Fuck the world;it has no meaning or significance anyways." I'm like you use to be, because I use Nihilism to escape my problems with society, and my problems with myself. Although for the longest time I believed and still believe that life itself is random and without a meaning beyond what self-aware animals such as you and I give it. Mankind is an awesome and amazing species. (Cont.
DraconianSilenced 5 months ago
@kyhzer As we are natures creations, we can reflect on a potentially unaware creator. Although maybe nature is aware of itself. Who knows really.
DraconianSilenced 5 months ago
@kyhzer There does not have to be a reason for us to live, shut the fuck up. You must be a believer, if there is a reason then tell me.
RichtoffenRoach 5 months ago
@RichtoffenRoach the reason is uncertain but there, like a silhouette in fog, unclear but knowing there must be something there. could be to be happy or sad depending on circumstances, thinking up a thousand different useless religions and philosophy to try to cope with the difficulties of life, and maybe it could be to make something of your self to the best of your ability that society demands, expressing eachothers opinions whether in agreement or in denial. Love, family, happiness, evolving.
kyhzer 5 months ago
@kyhzer Nice. I really don't know what to believe. I have no troubles with my life. But my mind simply does not let me believe.
RichtoffenRoach 5 months ago
What's that sound? its like my tv is burning from the inside lol
syph0007 5 months ago
So UNIVERSAL KNOWLEDGE, and UNIVERSAL TRUTH. If they even exist, are not things which man can know of, thus Nihilists reject man kinds notions of knowledge and truth.
Chromozome1205 5 months ago
I think what nihilism is trying to say, and this is just my opinion. Is that any knowledge or truth you obtain on this earth, or in this life time is all based on personal experience and theory,and that these experiences, and theories, are in no way Universal. So it rejects knowledge and truth because KNOWLEDGE and TRUTH are something created by SOMEONE.They are not Universal and they are completely bound by individual perspective,and in some cases a collective perspective. Like religion.
Chromozome1205 5 months ago
crime and punishment says nihilism is stupid so I agree that was a great book you guys should read it
zeke4life2 6 months ago
I consider myself a nihilist. I am still emotionally attached to the value of communicating with people on the internet so I write this...
I don't believe morality exists. I do believe we use morality to perceive the world.
I believe we are like bacteria following a growth curve based upon the production of oil. We reached the decline in late 2008 and should see increases in the cost of living today.
It is neither good nor bad but a fact of nature.
arssfarger 6 months ago
the part of the continuum where nobody looks but very real
gtaraya 7 months ago
I cannot do much but simply applaud your video, here. It doesn't surprise me that some viewers cannot comprehend the genius that manifested into the idea of Nihilism, and therefore, your explanation. As a side note, I enjoyed your idioms.
Selfawaresubject 7 months ago
Nihilism is the only logical way to be. We have no proof our senses are even perceiving reality so we have no way of knowing whether we are acting in moral or immoral ways. Or even if we are acting or not. For all I know I could be a recording of memories paying in space somewhere after planet Xenu III has been destroyed and nothing I do here has any affect on anything at all. Hell I could be in a coma.
thor123422 8 months ago 17
@thor123422 Agree to some extent, but even that example implies that there is something, we are just not directly experiencing it. I agree nihilism is the only logical way to believe, as there is no real "goal" or objective of life or the universe, giving existence no true meaning. From this, however, I believe we create our own meaning in our lives, even amidst our real insignificance. But this is just my opinion, and no one has to agree.
MrDocification 3 months ago
@MrDocification I agree entirely, but a nihilist will acknowledge that our own meaning does not imply objective reality or an objectively correct way to live. I think you already know this though based on what you just said.
thor123422 2 months ago
@thor123422 And why is logic logical? the only thing logic tells you is exactly the same thing Heat+material+Spark does "keep expending,keep expending and keep being and keep consuming and keep going!"
What is so logical about that?
It's just a function...it ends with you expending so much that your parts just can't hold themselves together...and then they either retract,or being consumed by something ells...depending on what are you exactly =P....Well,"logical" is just a setting to some game.
Wharwulif 3 months ago
@Wharwulif I can barely make out the meaning of what you said, so I have to assume you know as much on the subject as the video author does.
thor123422 2 months ago
@thor123422 Look,what eventually I said is that the logic you speak of does not matter.
Since you can be in X worlds doing Y things and being U type of thing.
I told you the variables unto this place,and the current "logic" that goes within it.
Eventually,the fact that you responded to what I wrote,means that you live under the logic of this world,or ells you would have decided to die just to prove a point.
The fact is,you follow the logic of this existence-by the simple act of being.
So,yeah.
Wharwulif 2 months ago
@Wharwulif I don't deny that, but calling my argument invalid because I don't follow it within my perception is an ad hominem.
thor123422 2 months ago
@thor123422 How is it logical? What is logic? And how is logic logical? I could use your same logic and mess around with it. You're delusional, if you really think that you could be in a coma and nothing is real then why don't you go and kill someone? Oh right! you wouldn't! Why? Because you will go to prison and you know that killing people is wrong, right? Right. Nihilism is not the logical way, Secular Humanism is.
TheAssesKicker 3 months ago
@TheAssesKicker I live in an illogical manner, I acknowledge this. However I acknowledge the flaws of my perception and know that I have no way of knowing whether or not I am in a coma. What you said can be summed up by "You don't live it, therefore it cannot be correct." , please leave your ad hominem somewhere else.
thor123422 2 months ago
@thor123422 Ad hominem is a logical fallacy, it's not a bad thing and I'm not ashamed of doing it. I was just using your own logic to prove you wrong. Unfortunately, it's not getting through you.
TheAssesKicker 2 months ago
@TheAssesKicker not sure if troll
thor123422 2 months ago
@thor123422 Not sure if stupid.
TheAssesKicker 2 months ago
@thor123422 Some people make the mistaken assumption that Nihilism is somehow the more correct and true path, when, just as he said in the video, nihilism rejects anything that needs faith, or rather a belief without proof. In turn, Nihilism is just like this. The uploader somewhat promotes nihilism as a negation or rejection of theism, when in reality the Nihilism he describes ultimately defeats itself. With no objective reference for life, their can be no one true path.
InternetLawman 3 months ago
@InternetLawman I agree with everything you have said on this subject. People who keep questioning my post should defer to this user's comments.
thor123422 2 months ago
@thor123422 Basically, nhilism is this: Since we are the arbiters of our own fate, and since everything is meaningless, we also must make the assumption that there is no universally valid reference for how we live our life, and hence there is no one 'logical way to be', only the way in which we want to live.
Of course no one is truly nihilistic, since we live in society. And in society, no one truly adhere's to one philosophy over the other, but rather are an amalgamation of several.
InternetLawman 3 months ago
@thor123422 don't talk, really. you're the man people use in strawman arguments.
akalect 2 months ago
@akalect Says the user who obviously doesn't know what a straw man is, how to make an analogy, or what nihilism is. Really, just stop trying.
thor123422 2 months ago
@thor123422 I disagree. We have very good reasons and substantial evidence that our senses are perceiving 'reality' (an external pre-existing world independent of our perception thereof), albeit in an imperfect way. There would be no reason for senses (or perception, to be exact) to exist were they not to perceive 'something'. Why would sense organs (and the phenomena they generate) evolve at all if they were not receiving external information about a pre-existing world?
ianman6 1 month ago
@ianman6 The problem is evaluating the evidence WITHOUT using our senses. We cannot use our senses to verify each other because it becomes circular validation. There are many possibilities. This is the fundamental problem with assuming our senses are accurate, because we do not have any way to validate them. Your comment about our senses evolving is useless because without using our senses we cannot determine if they evolved or not.
thor123422 1 month ago
@thor123422 Yea. So since you don´t know if your senses even perceive reality it must be reasonable to assume it doesn´t matter if you harm or oppress others or not? How could you be expected to know if that is moral or immoral actions?
katnils 1 month ago
@katnils Basically. However I'm not advocating going out and killing people. Nobody can operate as a true nihilist. Personally, within my perception, I work under the assumptions of evidentialism and utilitarianism while still acknowledging they are wrong.
thor123422 1 month ago
@thor123422 ----"However I'm not advocating going out and killing people."
Because you don´t actually believe there is such a thing as no objective values to humans. Since there are universal values that most of us, besides sociopaths, could agree on being morally right and wrong among humans. Or morally better and worse.
"Nobody can operate as a true nihilist."
Exactly. Since it doesn´t have anything to do with the reality humans live in.
katnils 1 month ago
@katnils "Because you don't actually believe there is such thing as no objective values in humans"
Don't put words in my mouth. It doesn't matter who agrees on it or who says it, nothing can be measured objectively without a standard. We have no standard by which to measure morals. It doesn't matter if every human on the face of the earth believed that killing is wrong in a specific instance, THAT WOULD NOT MAKE IT OBJECTIVE. To argue from this point is the bandwagon fallacy.
thor123422 1 month ago
@thor123422 --"...nothing can be measured objectively without a standard."
And you mean it isn´t a universal human standard that suffering is bad and that well being is good? Isn´t this how we have survived as a social species? And you mean we can´t make any form of conclusions about any objective values for humans from this? Is there a point in talking about if human values matters to the universe?
katnils 1 month ago
@thor123422 What seems to me to make Nihilism useless, besides not taking our own reality in account, but rather is a philosophising about that there is no values in the universe or something like that, is that it might lead to some useless everything goes attitude and no actions or ideologies can be condemned for anything at all instead of using our ability to reason about ethical issues. That is what brings progress in societies.
katnils 1 month ago
@thor123422 And react to things that are just plain wrong. It would for example be absurd to just look at someone being tortured or raped and think; A well, who am I to say that my values are objective and that this person is doing something objectively wrong by harming others? So who am I to interfere and to say that this is wrong?
katnils 1 month ago
@thor123422 If a random sample of humans, who don´t have dogmatic believes about morality as being dictated by a supernatural power, but as something that can be reasoned, would together reason about morality and what is morally better or worse actions they would agree on that causing others to suffer is generally wrong (with the exception of self defence of ourselves or others) and from this also agree about objective morality coming to lots of actions.
katnils 1 month ago
@katnils It doesn't matter who reasons it if it isn't based on the objective. But let's assume that we do have an objective morality. It doesn't matter because we cannot show our senses are accurate, and thus we have no idea whether or not we are even acting in a moral way. For all I know every swing of my finger executes 50 people. So even if we did reason out an objective standard itw ould still be useless.
thor123422 1 month ago
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@thor123422 "we cannot show our senses are accurate, and thus we have no idea whether or not we are even acting in a moral way. For all I know every swing of my finger executes 50 people. So even if we did reason out an objective standard itw ould still be useless."
Can we stay on earth and assume that there are some things we can assume? Like that you exist and that other humans exist?
katnils 1 month ago
@thor123422 And like that it is harmless for you to swing your finger (for all we know) but morally bad if you do shoot down 50 people? Since everything you know about reality tells you which one of these actions that is harming others.
katnils 1 month ago
@thor123422 There is no such thing as humans without values. Not even sociopaths are totally without any values at all. And most of us could also universally agree about what humans who are sociopaths. After seeing the true colours of a sociopath and not just the faked empathy of a sociopath and the fake socialized surface of a sociopath. You would lie if you can´t say that you think some actions are morally admirable and some are morally detestable.
katnils 1 month ago
@katnils It doesn't matter what humans have what values. Just because humans have values does not make them objective. I see some things as positive and others as negative, yes, but I acknowledge that my standard is arbitrary and ultimately meaningless, and that in this light I have no room to judge other standards as right or wrong. I must make an assumption to operate and I choose utilitarianism, but I still acknowledge my own fallibility and the arbitrary nature of my choice.
thor123422 1 month ago
@thor123422 "I see some things as positive and others as negative, yes, but I acknowledge that my standard is arbitrary and ultimately meaningless, and that in this light I have no room to judge other standards as right or wrong."
You do judge mass murderers and tyrants as being objectively evil in their actions. You do know that some things are just plain wrong according to universal human standards.
katnils 1 month ago
@thor123422 It comes with being a social species, a mammal, to feel empathy (with the exception of sociopaths, a minority) and to be born with the ability to learn about right and wrong from upbringing and society and also the ability to reason more rationally about what has to do with real, to humans universal, ethical issues,
katnils 1 month ago
@thor123422 and what has more just got to do with prejudges or assumptions from traditions like for ex. religion and isn´t for real issues about ethics unless you believe in the specific religion and that god said it and therefore something is right or wrong even if we can´t understand why.
Nihilism might be a philosophising about that we and our values don´t matter to the universe. But it just doesn´t seem productive to imply that values are meaningless. When they matter to humans.
katnils 1 month ago
@thor123422 I would definetely say it is a good thing to reason about what is prejudges and what there´s no logical reason to value and judge. All actions and aims do definetely not belong in this category. Humans, a social species, do give a fuck about morality when it comes to real situations.
katnils 1 month ago
@thor123422 Clarification:
Why I just take the example of humans with no believes in a supernatural dictator is because we all know how blind trust in authorities like scripture and religious leaders that can´t be questioned can warp people´s ability to reason logically for themselves and that they with the help of some dogmatic believes and blind trust in authority, adjust their values and prejudices, even against their own conscience, without having any logical reasons for it.
katnils 1 month ago
this video is also complete bullshit.
cmessina091 8 months ago
@cmessina091 This. Idk what it is describing but it isn't nihilism.
thor123422 8 months ago
@cmessina091 duude.. okay firstly, one or two comments at the most, secondly.... just... shhhhhhhhhh
you have developed a very "us vs them" mentality which is immature and shows a lack of intelligence on the matter,,.. just shhh
nahor24 7 months ago
@cmessina091 I completely agree, this individual clearly has no idea what they are talking about.
geoffrz450 6 months ago
Yall just need to toughen up a bit, athiest or not, if yu are unhappy, find a way. That dislike bar is most likely the combined size of all of yalls dicks so the comments im reading here are clearly from suicidal people who think they knoe evrything who use nihililsm as an excuse not to kill themselves.
cmessina091 8 months ago
But I can assure you, athiest or not, the human brain is not at all the way nihilists try to make it. whether you like that philosophy or not, it is in no way a step forward lol, and nihilists will find some valid arguements.
cmessina091 8 months ago
what im trying to sy is that all the comments im reading on here sound extremely foolish and should not be taken seriously
cmessina091 8 months ago
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cmessina091 8 months ago
it also seems to not care about science. humans have a natural curiosity to know how things work, but nihilism is like who gives a shit. Pretty suicidal to me.
cmessina091 8 months ago
almost lke an illusion to me. not giving a shit about anything.
cmessina091 8 months ago
it basically seems like athiesm just discouraging indepedent thought in the process.
cmessina091 8 months ago
What Im basically trying to say is that it seems like nihilism is some stupid philosophical value that basically says there is definetly no god without exploring to find answers to questions. There are some arguments that could go either way, it just seems like you are comparing it too much with athiesm.
cmessina091 8 months ago
"The more the wit, the less the courage" - Thomas Fuller.
LASALLIONSTALLION 8 months ago
this video is also trying to embrace reason, while nihilists are the exact opposite of embracing reason, they embrace nothing. thats what nihil means
cmessina091 9 months ago
@cmessina091 Reason and Nothing are not opposites. The opposite of reason is nonsense. And nihilism is not so much 'embracing nothing' as believing that nothing matters. You can be a nihilist and reasonable, just accepting that reason does not matter.
Utterbach 8 months ago
sorry i had some typos in my last message
cmessina091 9 months ago
Nihilism in the strictest sense is rejecting knowledge or truth of anykind. The earliest people were most likely nihilists, but then learned how to adapt to environment, and find knowledge. I would say its a step back because it already existed with the earliest people, but they learned and passes it on to generations.
cmessina091 9 months ago
@cmessina091 Again, Nihilism does not reject knowledge or truth, it simply states that these things do not matter, in the long run.
In the long run, everyone dies, whether or not truth and knowledge were found. So it does not, strictly speaking, matter.
Utterbach 8 months ago
@Utterbach I guess part of what you are saying is somehwta logical, but the actual defintion of nihilism is rejcting knowledge or truth. Look it up. Its saying that nothing really matters, butit seems youare comparing it too much with athiesm.
cmessina091 8 months ago
This video makes nihilism too synonomous with atheism. I don't believe that the two are one and the same. I know, the video doesn't say this directly.
connerjd 9 months ago
but wat if soemone KNEW for real that there are spirits. dont know about god or afterlife or any of that but the one line given to them is that they know their is a place where spirits dwell. go along with me hypothetically, how would that affect that persons nihilistic view?
Asthegrave 10 months ago
@Asthegrave
1. At it's base, nihilism is the rejection of knowledge of any kind.
2. Keeping that in mind, let's say I KNOW the sun is hot, the grass is green, and one day I will die alone, yada yada. Why should knowledge of this affect my views? Even if there are spirits, who's to say there is any rhyme or reason for them? Who's to say they have more or less purpose than a human?
I hope this has helped somewhat.
NightAvenger92 9 months ago
Nihilists have the worst taste in music.
nfetz24 10 months ago
@nfetz24 really? i listen to anything, this dude has bad taste in music, arrogant asshole.
BHowardify 10 months ago
Thank you for taking the time to make this video! It really helped me to explain this thing I've believed in for so long, or NOT believed in rather, It's actually amazing to think there are other people out there who think the same way I do! Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you!!!
Dustybuds88 1 year ago
This video is flawed, the creator knows little of nihilism. This is obvious in his suggestions that things should be abolished. Abolish faith because it is in your opinion detrimental? A nihlist knows there is no right and wrong or preference as there is no such thing as intrinsic value.
kkownzor 1 year ago 2
Can one know if they are an Epistemological nihilist?
norcofreerider604 1 year ago
its impossible to be a nihilist, since all of you people were raised as a part of society, all of you think that beautiful girls are beautiful, if youre going to be a nihilist you arent allowed to follow that, ahh fuck it i dont know how to explain it.
bergAgreb 1 year ago
@bergAgreb Its important for a nihilist to think by himself ...if a nihilist thinks a girl is beautiful. what does that have to do what other ppl think..cause he came to that conclusion by himself..just cause other think she is beautiful doesnt mean the nihilist thinks that shes beautful just because every1 else thinks that also,,,
Croxalis 1 year ago
@Croxalis Yes thats what i tried to say, thanks
But i think everybody should look for his own attitude for life, instead of following another one, because there are always lots of paradoxes in nihilism and other isms.
I have my own too.
bergAgreb 1 year ago
@Croxalis you don't have to be a nihilist to think a girl is beautiful and not care what other people think
theboytiger 1 year ago
@bergAgreb What defines an attractive person isn't dictated by society but by biology. The brain determines if a potential mate has "good genetics" by how "nice" their body looks. Facial symmetry indicates sound genetics and body build indicates good development and hormonal balance. Subscribing to nihilism doesn't require one to reject biological imperatives and be celibate.
xblJBechen 10 months ago
@xblJBechen
But that's not true, it's our parents/school/media that made us think that way.
That's the reason why girls always wear make-up, children don't question god's existence, etc.The main problem with human beings is that we let ourself controlled way to fast, instead of thinking rational.That's the reason why i am solipsist, because even if i can learn something new, the first thing i do is to question it, and then i either agree or disagree, which is where most human beings fail
bergAgreb 10 months ago
@xblJBechen
ps: if it's really biology, than how do you explain fetishes?
Don't tell me now that it's a "failure" or something like that
bergAgreb 10 months ago
@bergAgreb Well, the best I can understand it is that somebody with a foot fetish liably developed it this way:
Women don't normally run around barefoot, so our guy doesn't see bare feet much. The only time he sees bare feet is when women are naked, and the only time women are naked is when he's about to pork them. He associates, subconsciously, bare feet with porking women.
The same sort of association is probably what gives other people other fetishes, in a similar manner.
xblJBechen 10 months ago
@Ozscii
there's no such thing as "wanting" to be a nihilist. you either are, or you aren't.
belsen89 1 year ago
Nihilism is nothing more than an intellectually honest atheist. End of story.
masterthehate2 1 year ago
Thank you for making this video, very informative. I have thought like this for so long and did not even know about the word "nihilist" and i recently discovered it, and read up on it. it is definitely what i am
iceseekers 1 year ago
see, you understand!
Spotlight9024 1 year ago
live in such a way as to derive the greatest amount of pleasure possible during one’s lifetime, yet doing so moderately in order to avoid the suffering incurred by overindulgence in such pleasure. The emphasis was placed on pleasures of the mind rather than on physical pleasures
xXHalfAsleepXx 1 year ago
@Ozscii What the dude said is basically what nihilists believe, but a true nihilist recognizes that any concern he has for what other people do is arbitrary and has no inherent value. He doesn't preach
My answer to your first question is that while nihilism says, "there is no reason to do anything," it also says, "there is no reason not to do anything." Suicide isn't a bad thing in this philosophy, but it isn't an inevitable conclusion either.
I don't understand your second question.
AllOtherNamesTaken2 1 year ago
Text books in The United States are all made in Texas. The medical industry is an industry which is out to make money. It all depends on what you are talking about. Everything is indicative of a greater issue. Evidence is just the half of it. Although Descartes was wrong, his points had value beyond their actual meaning. Although there is disbelief in Jesus's existence as a Messiah, the message of The Christian Church ended the heresy of The Roman Empire which believed in killing the weak.
DementedMax 1 year ago
I should point out that even if there is proof, the evidence can mislead. This is the belief in descartes system of evaluation. The process of science is good, but you have to remember the ideas Voltaire's examination of the process of discourse through the utility of wisdom in the conflict between the masses which believe in reverence of number. Essentially there is, society (mob), the orator, and the philosopher. As socrates, though smartest dies by the hand of a different system.
DementedMax 1 year ago
the last words of the vid were so great
kaoslife2386 1 year ago
slow down with you words , there's barely time to read it, butn it seems just anther flawed perspective anyway
Guevaristas 1 year ago
Faith is deciding to allow yourself to believe
something your intellect would otherwise cause
you to reject, otherwise there is no need for faith
zeldakid12 1 year ago 7
Nietzche was the philosopher closely associated with nihilism. The Nazi strom troopers always praised Nietzche for he personified many of their ideals. Hitler revered him, and often visited his museum. The idea of the supermen and the will to power is reflected in the Nazi worldview. It is philosopers like Nietzche that could have been responsible for the genocide of 6 million Jews. Nietzche refered to himself as the anti-christ!!!
concerto35 2 years ago
heh...more like the people behind the curtain who funded both sides of the war, introduced hitler to eugenics or social darwinism. the idea that hitler and his nazi regime blew totally out of proportion and as you mentioned, attempted genocide. neitzche was just a guy who wrote books. and he wasnt the father of nihilism, he's just the most well known...thus spoke zarathustra is a good one, read that.
bornagainheretic 1 year ago
@SciNonymous10: Dear Friend, I obeyed you and did my research. The general consensus is that Nietzche the nihlist died of neurosyphillis at 55. Other specialists say he died from a common illness called fronto temporal demetia. In 1889, he was admitted to Basel Mental Asylum and transferred to Jena Mental Asylum until his death at 25 from tertiary cerebral syphillis. It is thought that his contradictory philosophy could have been influenced by his morbid state of mind.
concerto35 2 years ago
nihilism for me cuts off all the bullshit "wires" that find their way to my mind.
it reminds me of the world and the universe for what they actually are:
a complex biological system in which i, and all of us are a part of :)
i can still identify my passions, desires, and what i despise
but they are created from myself
not what t.v, magazines, etc. tells me to love and hate
i think people often misinterpret nihilism to be fatalistic and "all is lost"
its not.
nihilism is a step forward :)
beph13 2 years ago 41
@beph13 I like your description of Nihilism here. I'll be honest, I tend to have the "all is lost" outlook towards life.
revokdaryl1 1 year ago
@beph13
You are very accurate in you assessment...
Nature is pure war with every man against another, so man is only civilized by the threat of violence against him for transgressions upon his neighbor.
SirWinstonChurchill 1 year ago
@beph13
Nihilism simplifies and consoles, for in the end, all will dissolve away.
MichaelKing 1 year ago
@beph13 respect
shivamanwekar 1 year ago
@beph13 thats more athiesm not nihilism.
cmessina091 9 months ago
@beph13 I think you're talking about solipsism more than nihilism.
arcanebop 8 months ago 6
@beph13 best comment on youtube
saimen92 7 months ago
@beph13 Agree with you. Thank you for your words and we should feel proud.
RichtoffenRoach 5 months ago
I would describe Nihilism as non-belief in the somethings.
YouKnowWhereThisEnds 2 years ago
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fuck atheists nelhilists and satanists theyr all they same shit
bigdud12345 2 years ago
@bigdud12345 You're a smart one, clearly
OdeToNecrophilia 2 years ago
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DjeveI 2 years ago
@bigdud12345: Idiot.
DjeveI 2 years ago
Inbred redneck. Do you believe in the tooth fairy as well
H4mburgarE 2 years ago
Counterorder is just one website created by one person espousing a view of what nihilism is or isn't. I think he's political aspirations are laughable.
Antiks72 2 years ago
@Antiks72 And why are they laughable? Explain
OdeToNecrophilia 2 years ago
Because with only 25 people following, it's doomed to fail. Nigger Cunt is surely a much better way.
Antiks72 2 years ago
There is no goal of nihilism, so theres nothing to fail at.
OdeToNecrophilia 2 years ago
If there's no goal then what's the point?
Antiks72 2 years ago
Nihilism is not a movement currently and it's not meant to be. It's an idea, state of mind, realization, acceptance. There's no objective goal.
OdeToNecrophilia 2 years ago
"I fear no man, no god, seek no heaven, fear no hell, have no heroes, no faith, bow before no one." seems like an ideology to me, not a particularly useful one either. just a way of making an island of yourself so you don't have to risk suffering disappointment
coldmountain1986 2 years ago
why did you use the word "bad" when describing political nihilism?
but I LOVE 2:45 :)
ModelAnarchist 2 years ago
3:27-3:31 Amen to that Brother!!
suicidesymphony1 2 years ago
I thought I had already commented on this video, but I guess not. I really like it and am glad that it's here for people to see. Nihilism is misunderstood by those who do not think as a nihilist thinks and fear such a way of thinking. Their definitions are inaccurate and always negative, whereas nihilism is, in reality, neither negative nor positive - it simply is.
Muftobration 2 years ago 2