u stupid bunch of racist twats. guys dont have a clue eating ur iraqi kebabs an driving foreign cars then complaining when u see a different coloured face. you guys be luky if u could share a braincell betweens yas. you boys should research into what you think ur fighting against. it could do u some good.
LEAVE THIS GUY ALONE HE,S A MATE OF MINE TO ALL YOU PAKIS TAKING PISS OUTTA HIM WUD LOVE TO SEE YER SAY IT TO OUR FACES CURRY EATERS LONG LIVE THE EDL YES HE HAD A DRINK BFRE WE ALL DO BFRE A MARCH BUT IT DOESNT GIV YOU THE RIGHT TO TAKE THE PISS OUTTA RYAN FUKING WANKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AN HE,S RIGHT WHAT HES SAYING ITS ALL YOUR IRAQI LAWS MESSING THINGS UP HEAR
were staying hear white chavvy white van drivers what are you? joiners or summat haha,whilst your out graffting like a dogs some asains prob shagging yer mrs when your out in the pub on a weekend sum asains prb shaging yer mrs too as long as my message got 2 you who gives a shit bout the spelling,and were staying hear us pakis not goin nowhere, you twats fought for this country so we can come an make ourselfs comfy hehe,nice one fucking wankers litte did yer know we are takin ova now so move on
What a fuckin muppet, he's goin to be the face that will fuel the claims that all EDL are racest thugs that don't have a clue!! Could have picked someone with more than one fuckin brain cell who knows what he's actualy protesting against!! Wanker!!
xzsb rape is forbidden in Islam the so called asians that have been raping people are not Muslims and I'm sure that if you look at statistics there is more white rapists out there than black or asians and people are laughing at him because he is a idiot!
hope you realise there are many types of speech impediments. he clearly tried to say Rape Gangs. this is a terrible thing to be making fun of little girls and their families being laughed at is sick. do not pretend you do not know what he is talking about. these rape gangs were reported world wide. disgusting all of you who are laughing
lots of you tube titles Rape in Islam ... Muslim Gangs Drug & Rape Children All Over The UK - Britain Finally Starts To Wake Up
Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم said : "The cure of ignorance is to ask and learn." "Avoid stubbornness for it begins in ignorance and ends in regret."
All this brother had to do was ask a Muslim what they believe? Or at least Read the Quran, even if his purpose was to try and refute it! At least that way he would not look ignorant.
LOLL the muslamic law this guy is so funny he should have his own TV show and he gives the EDL a bad name i bet that tommy guy was embrassed and kicked him out of the group after seeing this there trying to look like a serious group this wont help.
@charlieiscool1000 no your WRONG! i respect guys like this in my group they speak for british people yes he might be a little slow but thats ryan so all of yer just back off arite
His accent is so annoying. I think England has moved forward because of the different people. Without diversity this country would be in the incapable hands of this retard fish frog who clams that there are mulasmic ray guns.
Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم said : "The cure of ignorance is to ask and learn." "Avoid stubbornness for it begins in ignorance and ends in regret."
All this brother had to do was ask a Muslim what they believe? Or at least Read the Quran, even if his purpose was to try and refute it! At least that way he would not look ignorant.
You have to hand it to the EDL'S intelligence network for uncovering this dasterdly plot to wipe out civilization as we know it by Ray gun totting Muslamic fanatics.
Think it is time we deployed the Munchkins with their lollipops of mass destruction to counteract these devious Muslamics.
@QuranTafseer Even you don't believe your statistics about 5000 converts per year. I am English and have never met ONE. Of course, they do exist, but not in the numbers you claim. More importantly, they are not converting from Christianity... they are "converting" from atheism or agnosticism. The same number or more would be converting the other way if they would not be banished from their communities. That's what fear does to you, but fear only exists in this life.
I think u misunderstood what he REALLY wanted to say: "I want England to be about English"... See? And us Muslims dare to say we don't believe in evolution?? This monkey is in the process of learning to speak human words right before ur very eyes.. LOL
what a total and utter idiot. I don't know how anyone comes to be this stupid. however, AROOJPAKI, I was raised to treat every person as an individual rather than judging entire races by the actions or words of one or a few people. I don't think that comes across as particularly rational or intelligent judgement from you either. shame.
"Avoid stubbornness for it begins in ignorance and ends in regret."
All this brother had to do was ask a Muslim what they believe? Or at least Read the Quran, even if his purpose was to try and refute it! At least that way he would not look ignorant.
@QuranTafseer Does Islam not (more than ANY other religion) prohibit people from asking the tough and challenging questions? The penalty for apostasy under Shaira is death? Perhaps you could explain how that encourages people to think? Or is it that non-Muslims are supposed to study Islam and Muslims should just blindly accept their faith? I never met anyone who was a Muslim for any reason other than b/c his or her mother/father raised them that way. Thinking was never a factor.
This guy wants britian to be about "British?" and he wants to ban an Iraqi Law? he also believes Muslims have Ray Guns which is rather cool i must say.
And then he goes on about Muzlamic? erm Muz what? The interviewer deserves a medal for not laughing or deing out of shock lol
@madeinsidcup the apostasy law is the exact equivalent of any other countries laws regarding treason, it has very similar conditions and processes. If you dont have any issues with laws concerning treason, then it is illogical for you to have an issue with the apostasy law.
However the Qur'an is the ONLY text preaching an ideology that challenges mankind to contemplate it, to intellectually challenge its propositions, to find contradictions within it. Try studying Islam.
@Machher786 Apostasy is absolutely NOTHING like treason. Killing someone for leaving Islam ABSOLUTELY prohibits critical analysis of Islam from within, which makes it meaningless when a Muslim talks about the "proof" for Islam. They have no choice (unless death is a choice). And there is nothing "challenging" about the ideology. What common thug wouldn't want four wives and an excuse to fight? If you want a challenging ideology try turning the other cheek and loving your enemy.
The Apostasy can only be carried out in an Islamic state, with a court, a judge, a trial, the person being debated, the person being given a chance to leave the state, the person giving his own testimony or change of mind with regards to his statement of apostasy, and a person is even allowed to lie regarding this. Please provide the specific proofs that show how this law is not like the law of apostasy, you have not done so yet.
@Machher786 Tools are not required - it is common sense. No person is killed for disavowing their USA citizenship or emigrating. Treason only comes into effect when someone takes specific steps to PHYSICALLY HARM the country. If Islam feels physically threatened by allowing people to DECIDE that Islam is NOT the truth, then that is a sad reflection on Islam. It is absurd to try to defend this by saying people are given an opportunity to come back to Islam before they are killed.
1. As mentioned before, the law for apostasy in Leviticus is the same as the law in the Qur'an. If u lived in Moses' time then you would have rejected him on the same basis you reject Islam.
2. Seeing how America dealt with "alleged" terrorists, we see that the practical implementation of suspecting individuals of treason is jail, torture and even in many cases assassination.
@madeinsidcup If a person emigrates from the Islamic state nothing would happen to them, whether they are apostates or not. A person who apostates outright in an Islamic state would be considered none other than a threat due to the fact that despite knowing about this law and that they could concel their apostasy, that they choose to continue outwardly proclaiming their apostasy and not emigrate shows they are only looking for trouble. Again, you know nothing about the implementation of this law
@Machher786 Sorry - I wasn't clear when I was talking about emigrating. I was not differentiating the immigration policies of the USA and Arab States (I just used the USA as an example). My point was that apostasy is more analogous to migration than treason.
@madeinsidcup If a person emigrates from the Islamic state nothing would happen to them, whether they are apostates or not. A person who apostates outright in an Islamic state would be considered none other than a threat due to the fact that despite knowing about this law and that they could conceal their apostasy, that they choose to continue outwardly proclaiming their apostasy and not emigrate shows they are going against the state, citizens and ideology.
@madeinsidcup Furthermore, your God; "Jesus" commanded Moses to kill every man, woman and child and to take the virgins as concubines for their disbelief, destroyed Soddom for their disbelief and sins, destroyed the nation of the Pharoah of Egypt for their disbelief. You are in NO position to preach "loving your enemy" or "turning the other cheek". In fact if you were created in Moses' times; you would have rejected Moses on similar grounds you reject Islam.
@Machher786 You are only showing that you have no idea about the Gospel of Christ. There is nothing in your message that I can respond to (for the above reason).
@madeinsidcup so instead of explaining, you just call me ignorant and run away from the conversation. You Christians surely have a powerful method of preaching.
@Machher786 I will pretend you are serious about wanting an explanation (to your ad hominem attack). The Jews, Muslims, and Christians ALL believe in the Old Testament, and the LAW. The LAW is what you speak of. JC preached salvation through faith NOT works. i.e. belief that Jesus died for our sins. JC did not abolish the law, but He preached a HIGHER way of living i.e. turning the other cheek, etc. JC criticized the Pharisee sect for reliance on law. His life is testimony to that.
@madeinsidcup Okay, according to your ideology Jesus' teachings were "higher" than that which is contained in the Old Testament, therefore the apostasy law in the old testament is not incorrect, nor morally unjust, nor anything objectionable - whether its contained within Islam or Juddaism.
Muslims do not "believe" in the Old Testament in the same way Christians or Jews do. Please do not put us in that category, we refuse to believe in books with unknown authorship or full of contradictions.
@Machher786 I guess that rules on the Quran then. Or you believe in the Satanic verses? On another note - perhaps you could (in your infinite wisdom) point out some of the contradictions in the bible (go on... google your favourite anti-Christian web site). Personally, even if the authorship of some books of the bible were unknown, I would rather trust those than the works of a KNOWN pedophile. That is just me though. Judge a tree by it's fruit - what fruit has Islam yielded for the world?
Sigh, again you know nothing about Islam. Your objections are typical of what christian preachers teach to their blind followers.
Satanic verses - even if I accept them as authentic, there is no issue here.
Pedophile - Where in the bible does it state an acceptable age for marriage? Mary only just hit puberty when she conceived Jesus and was VERY young especially compared to Joseph when she married her?
I minored in religions, unlike you, Google is not my teacher.
@Machher786 Haha... I love the condescending tone and attempted sarcasm mate. Keep it up. Christian churches don't talk about Islam (unlike the other way around). We have compassion for those who are unbelievers (rather than plotting to kill them). As for pedophilia - GET A CLUE. The dictionary has a definition of what a pedophile is. Mohammed fits it. It is fine if you want to say "pedophilia is cool," but there is no valid argument that Mohammed was not a Pedo. He banged a 9 year old!
@madeinsidcup Yes, but the definition of marriage according to the dictionary is something that can happen between 2 women, or 2 men? Are you willing to accept that definition of marriage? Or are you going to define marriage according to the bible? Similarly, you should define the acceptable age for marriage by the bible. Do that - then and only then will we have a discussion on this topic. Morally is defined by God for theists, not dictionaries. Get an education.
@Machher786 It is ironic to hear you talking about getting an education (since women are forbidden from doing that in many Muslim countries). We won't get into that though. I did not say the dictionary defined "morality." I said it defined "pedophile." Are you oblivious to the fact that we could not be having this conversation if we weren't both using commonly accepted meanings for words? "Pedophile" is not an ambiguous concept. Mohammed was one. It's ok if you think that is acceptable.
@Machher786 The bottom line is that Islam is the MOST HUMAN of all religions. It speaks to the most primitive sexual and violent nature of man and justifies these things in God's name. That is blasphemy. There's not a football hooligan out there who wouldn't mind having four wives and killing in the name of his faith. Find one who is willing to love his enemy and then you have found one who KNOWS God.
@madeinsidcup Christianity was designed by paul himself, who never met Jesus - he was the one who abrogated Jewish law (which you should be practicing) and he is the one who filled your books with polytheism. That is true blasphemy. FYI according to my economics textbook 70% of the world population is female.. if polygamy was totally outlawed then 4 in every 7 women on the earth would be single. Im glad however you have now resorted to emotional arguments, you ran out of evidences!
@Machher786 Mate, you jump from topic to topic faster than a rabid dog on speed walking across hot coals. The bottom line, brother, is that I'm ALLOWED and ENCOURAGED by my faith to ask questions and seek answers. I CAN walk away from, and never return to my faith, but for you the penalty of apostasy is death. Your "Prophet" is slept with a 9 year old , but YOU are forbidden to think. My faith is a FREE gift from a loving savior not a penalty imposed on me by my ancestors.
@madeinsidcup Ive dealt with your objections and you have produced no further proof to defend yourself. You are the one who brought up "Islam is man made", I simply turned that argument around. The rule of apostasy exists in your bible, according to you its evil if its i Islam but ok if its in the bible? Double standard. Mary was around the same age as Aisha when Mary conceived Jesus and married Joseph .. but Joseph aint a pedo because hes "christian". You are desperate in justifying your faith.
@Machher786 I'm sorry, but I don't have time to keep going around in circles with you and your false claims as to what the bible contains. I wish you all the best with your faith and hope that one day you find the courage to consider the foundations for why you believe the way you do. It boils down to the fact that if you were not born to Muslim parents then you would almost certainly NOT be a Muslim. One day I pray that you will see the significance of that. I wish you the best.
@Machher786 Jesus rejected the concept of judging others and specifically stopped a prostitute from being stoned to death. He challenged the people who were going to stone her to only throw the first stone if they had never sinned. How many people stoning women to death under Sharia do you think would pass that test? Muslims in the West talk about the value of Sharia, but no one is crazy enough to MOVE somewhere where it is practiced.
@madeinsidcup So regardless of Jesus' actions - you can not claim any sort of capital punishment is unjust simply because God, Moses as well as other Prophets did in fact practice upon it. In fact the early Christians did practice upon it, as they were jews. It is only the later generations which changed.
We dont move away because there is no real implementation of sharia' in the world. Some countries may have some aspects of it, but those same countries ignore large portions of the sharia'.
@Machher786 You're not even close to grasping the theology here. Jesus CLEARLY said that he who is sinless should cast the first stone. As for Christians being Jews, that makes no sense. Christianity came from Judaism, but that does not make Christians Jews. You're free to believe what you want brother, but I think it is barbaric and the reality is shown everywhere there is a Muslim majority. There is a reason you don't move and you know full well that you would be killed under Sharia.
@madeinsidcup Jesus and his disciples practiced all of the jewish laws, including dietary, dress, marriage etc... There were FEW laws that were exceptions, this is what i meant by Christians being Jews.
The reason I don't move is because as a Muslim I can think much more freely that a Christian. If i were a christian I would have to believe the earth is no more than 10 000 years old, dinosaurs never existed, evolution is "satans work" and the big bang theory has no merit to it.
VOTE BNP!
cigpapers 4 days ago
Hes got a point though....
dafspeed 1 week ago
The funny thing is, the immigrants speak better English than him!
cafc543 1 month ago
the fact that they call them selfs the English deffence league is racist
98xana 2 months ago
Low Congitive skills
littleismail 3 months ago
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@2LIJIT2QUIT you sound fucking retarded
jinxedx 4 months ago
He speaks like a retard, why is it always un-educated inbreed freaks who are always racist?
smellyfeet35 4 months ago
'muzlamic law'? uneducated ignorant idiots.
SaraTheCoolCucumber 4 months ago
Muzlamic Raygams...pissing myself its regimes for one, and two you are a cunt
blindhippy 5 months ago
u stupid bunch of racist twats. guys dont have a clue eating ur iraqi kebabs an driving foreign cars then complaining when u see a different coloured face. you guys be luky if u could share a braincell betweens yas. you boys should research into what you think ur fighting against. it could do u some good.
mr87q 5 months ago
Muslamic rape gangs you illiterate southerners
ukipwarrior 5 months ago
this guy is thick as shit lloooooool
chantryfello 5 months ago
Joking about rape gangs or sexual Jihad
is caused by a lack of moral values.
lnfideI 6 months ago
Idiocracy
oOADROo 6 months ago
Ug Ug, me big man, me beat chest, me forgot question
Angelo3418 6 months ago
I can't help hearing the tune in my head when he talks now.
kez1979 7 months ago
Well done Press TV! Keep exposing these brainless idiots!
AntiWahhabi 8 months ago
@tommy40747 moron lol
QuranTafseer 8 months ago
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LEAVE THIS GUY ALONE HE,S A MATE OF MINE TO ALL YOU PAKIS TAKING PISS OUTTA HIM WUD LOVE TO SEE YER SAY IT TO OUR FACES CURRY EATERS LONG LIVE THE EDL YES HE HAD A DRINK BFRE WE ALL DO BFRE A MARCH BUT IT DOESNT GIV YOU THE RIGHT TO TAKE THE PISS OUTTA RYAN FUKING WANKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AN HE,S RIGHT WHAT HES SAYING ITS ALL YOUR IRAQI LAWS MESSING THINGS UP HEAR
tommy40747 8 months ago
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were staying hear white chavvy white van drivers what are you? joiners or summat haha,whilst your out graffting like a dogs some asains prob shagging yer mrs when your out in the pub on a weekend sum asains prb shaging yer mrs too as long as my message got 2 you who gives a shit bout the spelling,and were staying hear us pakis not goin nowhere, you twats fought for this country so we can come an make ourselfs comfy hehe,nice one fucking wankers litte did yer know we are takin ova now so move on
hugecock737 9 months ago
What a fuckin muppet, he's goin to be the face that will fuel the claims that all EDL are racest thugs that don't have a clue!! Could have picked someone with more than one fuckin brain cell who knows what he's actualy protesting against!! Wanker!!
stavross2 9 months ago
xzsb rape is forbidden in Islam the so called asians that have been raping people are not Muslims and I'm sure that if you look at statistics there is more white rapists out there than black or asians and people are laughing at him because he is a idiot!
ashleybah7 10 months ago
this guy is hilarious. just makes me wanna rock out to the autotuned version though
thomasjack399 10 months ago
This new leader has lots of experience he will take the edl to new heights. Like he took his circus act to new heights lol.
iPhoneomenon 10 months ago
Bravo! Bravo! ¬_¬
try and string some english sentences together mate, & THEN protest about being English. pssht
strive234 10 months ago
hope you realise there are many types of speech impediments. he clearly tried to say Rape Gangs. this is a terrible thing to be making fun of little girls and their families being laughed at is sick. do not pretend you do not know what he is talking about. these rape gangs were reported world wide. disgusting all of you who are laughing
lots of you tube titles Rape in Islam ... Muslim Gangs Drug & Rape Children All Over The UK - Britain Finally Starts To Wake Up
xzsb 10 months ago
what a dirkhead
tpg35 10 months ago
ahah cant watch this without hearing the song! ahaha
BittenByABullet 10 months ago
Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم said : "The cure of ignorance is to ask and learn." "Avoid stubbornness for it begins in ignorance and ends in regret."
All this brother had to do was ask a Muslim what they believe? Or at least Read the Quran, even if his purpose was to try and refute it! At least that way he would not look ignorant.
QuranTafseer 10 months ago 3
haha im white and i think the EDL are a bunch of cunts because of people like this guy...
thomaswaddy 10 months ago 4
@thomaswaddy Lol it's not a question about being white or black when it comes to the EDL, they are only intrested in recuriting apes haha messing lol
take it easy brother,
QuranTafseer 10 months ago
LOLL the muslamic law this guy is so funny he should have his own TV show and he gives the EDL a bad name i bet that tommy guy was embrassed and kicked him out of the group after seeing this there trying to look like a serious group this wont help.
charlieiscool1000 10 months ago
@charlieiscool1000 no your WRONG! i respect guys like this in my group they speak for british people yes he might be a little slow but thats ryan so all of yer just back off arite
tommy40747 8 months ago
@thomaswaddy
the edl are bunch of cunts even without this guy.
he actually lightens the mood somewhat.
kingspider1000 7 months ago
haha great
Jamesm5219 10 months ago
Next man on this vid is a fuck up- how he talks + his lack of knowledge
what a dick head
moonchavs123 10 months ago
i dont think there is a cure for this level of ignorance oh it makes me cringe
timminsmark 10 months ago
His accent is so annoying. I think England has moved forward because of the different people. Without diversity this country would be in the incapable hands of this retard fish frog who clams that there are mulasmic ray guns.
MrDesivibes 10 months ago
Gay*
RowanSIG 10 months ago
@RowanSIG Don't be offended now that the real EDL have been exposed.
YorkshireAntifa 10 months ago
Fake and gau
RowanSIG 10 months ago
what a mug lol
romustaff 10 months ago
lol
MuslamicInfidel 10 months ago
he obviously said raid gangs, beside the point, total dick heads, silly, silly men. I'm desgraced to call my self british when I he's part of it.
boycotthippies 11 months ago
Sound u lad. Propa wool tho. Need to lay off da drugs. Funny tho
SkemEdGruey 11 months ago
Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم said : "The cure of ignorance is to ask and learn." "Avoid stubbornness for it begins in ignorance and ends in regret."
All this brother had to do was ask a Muslim what they believe? Or at least Read the Quran, even if his purpose was to try and refute it! At least that way he would not look ignorant.
QuranTafseer 11 months ago
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MrAllthatnmore 6 months ago
It does sound like he says ray guns but he actually says 'rape gangs'. Very funny though, muslamic law? That's a definitely a new one
LoveforAllahx 11 months ago
Muslamic Ray Guns!!!!
Machher786 11 months ago
IM GOING ON A MARCHHHHHHHH IM FORREST GUMP !!!!
truplaya147 11 months ago
You have to hand it to the EDL'S intelligence network for uncovering this dasterdly plot to wipe out civilization as we know it by Ray gun totting Muslamic fanatics.
Think it is time we deployed the Munchkins with their lollipops of mass destruction to counteract these devious Muslamics.
Ticman67 11 months ago
WTF, HAHAHAHA
Ticman67 11 months ago
@QuranTafseer Even you don't believe your statistics about 5000 converts per year. I am English and have never met ONE. Of course, they do exist, but not in the numbers you claim. More importantly, they are not converting from Christianity... they are "converting" from atheism or agnosticism. The same number or more would be converting the other way if they would not be banished from their communities. That's what fear does to you, but fear only exists in this life.
madeinsidcup 11 months ago
@madeinsidcup Its not my statistic its the BBC's statistic they tend to say more but i rounded the figure down!
QuranTafseer 11 months ago
Salamu alaykum QuranTafseer,
I think u misunderstood what he REALLY wanted to say: "I want England to be about English"... See? And us Muslims dare to say we don't believe in evolution?? This monkey is in the process of learning to speak human words right before ur very eyes.. LOL
hchsbp1 11 months ago
what a total and utter idiot. I don't know how anyone comes to be this stupid. however, AROOJPAKI, I was raised to treat every person as an individual rather than judging entire races by the actions or words of one or a few people. I don't think that comes across as particularly rational or intelligent judgement from you either. shame.
beckygiddings82 11 months ago
wow what a dumbass he is a disgrace even to his own race
just shows how ignorant and stupid white ppl are when it come to other races and other cultures
aroojpaki 11 months ago
this man is a moron
32csmdublin 11 months ago
Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم said :
"The cure of ignorance is to ask and learn."
"Avoid stubbornness for it begins in ignorance and ends in regret."
All this brother had to do was ask a Muslim what they believe? Or at least Read the Quran, even if his purpose was to try and refute it! At least that way he would not look ignorant.
QuranTafseer 11 months ago
@QuranTafseer he is not our brother :)
TheMuslim0 11 months ago
@TheMuslim0 Ibn Adam
QuranTafseer 11 months ago
@QuranTafseer Does Islam not (more than ANY other religion) prohibit people from asking the tough and challenging questions? The penalty for apostasy under Shaira is death? Perhaps you could explain how that encourages people to think? Or is it that non-Muslims are supposed to study Islam and Muslims should just blindly accept their faith? I never met anyone who was a Muslim for any reason other than b/c his or her mother/father raised them that way. Thinking was never a factor.
madeinsidcup 11 months ago
This guy wants britian to be about "British?" and he wants to ban an Iraqi Law? he also believes Muslims have Ray Guns which is rather cool i must say.
And then he goes on about Muzlamic? erm Muz what? The interviewer deserves a medal for not laughing or deing out of shock lol
QuranTafseer 11 months ago
@madeinsidcup the apostasy law is the exact equivalent of any other countries laws regarding treason, it has very similar conditions and processes. If you dont have any issues with laws concerning treason, then it is illogical for you to have an issue with the apostasy law.
However the Qur'an is the ONLY text preaching an ideology that challenges mankind to contemplate it, to intellectually challenge its propositions, to find contradictions within it. Try studying Islam.
Machher786 11 months ago
@Machher786 Apostasy is absolutely NOTHING like treason. Killing someone for leaving Islam ABSOLUTELY prohibits critical analysis of Islam from within, which makes it meaningless when a Muslim talks about the "proof" for Islam. They have no choice (unless death is a choice). And there is nothing "challenging" about the ideology. What common thug wouldn't want four wives and an excuse to fight? If you want a challenging ideology try turning the other cheek and loving your enemy.
madeinsidcup 11 months ago
@madeinsidcup
The Apostasy can only be carried out in an Islamic state, with a court, a judge, a trial, the person being debated, the person being given a chance to leave the state, the person giving his own testimony or change of mind with regards to his statement of apostasy, and a person is even allowed to lie regarding this. Please provide the specific proofs that show how this law is not like the law of apostasy, you have not done so yet.
Machher786 11 months ago
@Machher786 Tools are not required - it is common sense. No person is killed for disavowing their USA citizenship or emigrating. Treason only comes into effect when someone takes specific steps to PHYSICALLY HARM the country. If Islam feels physically threatened by allowing people to DECIDE that Islam is NOT the truth, then that is a sad reflection on Islam. It is absurd to try to defend this by saying people are given an opportunity to come back to Islam before they are killed.
madeinsidcup 11 months ago
@madeinsidcup
1. As mentioned before, the law for apostasy in Leviticus is the same as the law in the Qur'an. If u lived in Moses' time then you would have rejected him on the same basis you reject Islam.
2. Seeing how America dealt with "alleged" terrorists, we see that the practical implementation of suspecting individuals of treason is jail, torture and even in many cases assassination.
Machher786 11 months ago
@madeinsidcup If a person emigrates from the Islamic state nothing would happen to them, whether they are apostates or not. A person who apostates outright in an Islamic state would be considered none other than a threat due to the fact that despite knowing about this law and that they could concel their apostasy, that they choose to continue outwardly proclaiming their apostasy and not emigrate shows they are only looking for trouble. Again, you know nothing about the implementation of this law
Machher786 11 months ago
@Machher786 Sorry - I wasn't clear when I was talking about emigrating. I was not differentiating the immigration policies of the USA and Arab States (I just used the USA as an example). My point was that apostasy is more analogous to migration than treason.
madeinsidcup 11 months ago
@madeinsidcup If a person emigrates from the Islamic state nothing would happen to them, whether they are apostates or not. A person who apostates outright in an Islamic state would be considered none other than a threat due to the fact that despite knowing about this law and that they could conceal their apostasy, that they choose to continue outwardly proclaiming their apostasy and not emigrate shows they are going against the state, citizens and ideology.
Machher786 11 months ago
@madeinsidcup Furthermore, your God; "Jesus" commanded Moses to kill every man, woman and child and to take the virgins as concubines for their disbelief, destroyed Soddom for their disbelief and sins, destroyed the nation of the Pharoah of Egypt for their disbelief. You are in NO position to preach "loving your enemy" or "turning the other cheek". In fact if you were created in Moses' times; you would have rejected Moses on similar grounds you reject Islam.
Machher786 11 months ago
@Machher786 You are only showing that you have no idea about the Gospel of Christ. There is nothing in your message that I can respond to (for the above reason).
madeinsidcup 11 months ago
@madeinsidcup so instead of explaining, you just call me ignorant and run away from the conversation. You Christians surely have a powerful method of preaching.
Machher786 11 months ago
@Machher786 I will pretend you are serious about wanting an explanation (to your ad hominem attack). The Jews, Muslims, and Christians ALL believe in the Old Testament, and the LAW. The LAW is what you speak of. JC preached salvation through faith NOT works. i.e. belief that Jesus died for our sins. JC did not abolish the law, but He preached a HIGHER way of living i.e. turning the other cheek, etc. JC criticized the Pharisee sect for reliance on law. His life is testimony to that.
madeinsidcup 11 months ago
@madeinsidcup Okay, according to your ideology Jesus' teachings were "higher" than that which is contained in the Old Testament, therefore the apostasy law in the old testament is not incorrect, nor morally unjust, nor anything objectionable - whether its contained within Islam or Juddaism.
Muslims do not "believe" in the Old Testament in the same way Christians or Jews do. Please do not put us in that category, we refuse to believe in books with unknown authorship or full of contradictions.
Machher786 11 months ago
@Machher786 I guess that rules on the Quran then. Or you believe in the Satanic verses? On another note - perhaps you could (in your infinite wisdom) point out some of the contradictions in the bible (go on... google your favourite anti-Christian web site). Personally, even if the authorship of some books of the bible were unknown, I would rather trust those than the works of a KNOWN pedophile. That is just me though. Judge a tree by it's fruit - what fruit has Islam yielded for the world?
madeinsidcup 11 months ago
@madeinsidcup
Sigh, again you know nothing about Islam. Your objections are typical of what christian preachers teach to their blind followers.
Satanic verses - even if I accept them as authentic, there is no issue here.
Pedophile - Where in the bible does it state an acceptable age for marriage? Mary only just hit puberty when she conceived Jesus and was VERY young especially compared to Joseph when she married her?
I minored in religions, unlike you, Google is not my teacher.
Machher786 11 months ago
@Machher786 Haha... I love the condescending tone and attempted sarcasm mate. Keep it up. Christian churches don't talk about Islam (unlike the other way around). We have compassion for those who are unbelievers (rather than plotting to kill them). As for pedophilia - GET A CLUE. The dictionary has a definition of what a pedophile is. Mohammed fits it. It is fine if you want to say "pedophilia is cool," but there is no valid argument that Mohammed was not a Pedo. He banged a 9 year old!
madeinsidcup 11 months ago
@madeinsidcup Yes, but the definition of marriage according to the dictionary is something that can happen between 2 women, or 2 men? Are you willing to accept that definition of marriage? Or are you going to define marriage according to the bible? Similarly, you should define the acceptable age for marriage by the bible. Do that - then and only then will we have a discussion on this topic. Morally is defined by God for theists, not dictionaries. Get an education.
Machher786 11 months ago
@Machher786 It is ironic to hear you talking about getting an education (since women are forbidden from doing that in many Muslim countries). We won't get into that though. I did not say the dictionary defined "morality." I said it defined "pedophile." Are you oblivious to the fact that we could not be having this conversation if we weren't both using commonly accepted meanings for words? "Pedophile" is not an ambiguous concept. Mohammed was one. It's ok if you think that is acceptable.
madeinsidcup 11 months ago
@Machher786 The bottom line is that Islam is the MOST HUMAN of all religions. It speaks to the most primitive sexual and violent nature of man and justifies these things in God's name. That is blasphemy. There's not a football hooligan out there who wouldn't mind having four wives and killing in the name of his faith. Find one who is willing to love his enemy and then you have found one who KNOWS God.
madeinsidcup 11 months ago
@madeinsidcup Christianity was designed by paul himself, who never met Jesus - he was the one who abrogated Jewish law (which you should be practicing) and he is the one who filled your books with polytheism. That is true blasphemy. FYI according to my economics textbook 70% of the world population is female.. if polygamy was totally outlawed then 4 in every 7 women on the earth would be single. Im glad however you have now resorted to emotional arguments, you ran out of evidences!
Machher786 11 months ago
@Machher786 Mate, you jump from topic to topic faster than a rabid dog on speed walking across hot coals. The bottom line, brother, is that I'm ALLOWED and ENCOURAGED by my faith to ask questions and seek answers. I CAN walk away from, and never return to my faith, but for you the penalty of apostasy is death. Your "Prophet" is slept with a 9 year old , but YOU are forbidden to think. My faith is a FREE gift from a loving savior not a penalty imposed on me by my ancestors.
madeinsidcup 11 months ago
@madeinsidcup Ive dealt with your objections and you have produced no further proof to defend yourself. You are the one who brought up "Islam is man made", I simply turned that argument around. The rule of apostasy exists in your bible, according to you its evil if its i Islam but ok if its in the bible? Double standard. Mary was around the same age as Aisha when Mary conceived Jesus and married Joseph .. but Joseph aint a pedo because hes "christian". You are desperate in justifying your faith.
Machher786 11 months ago
@Machher786 I'm sorry, but I don't have time to keep going around in circles with you and your false claims as to what the bible contains. I wish you all the best with your faith and hope that one day you find the courage to consider the foundations for why you believe the way you do. It boils down to the fact that if you were not born to Muslim parents then you would almost certainly NOT be a Muslim. One day I pray that you will see the significance of that. I wish you the best.
madeinsidcup 11 months ago
@Machher786 Jesus rejected the concept of judging others and specifically stopped a prostitute from being stoned to death. He challenged the people who were going to stone her to only throw the first stone if they had never sinned. How many people stoning women to death under Sharia do you think would pass that test? Muslims in the West talk about the value of Sharia, but no one is crazy enough to MOVE somewhere where it is practiced.
madeinsidcup 11 months ago
@madeinsidcup So regardless of Jesus' actions - you can not claim any sort of capital punishment is unjust simply because God, Moses as well as other Prophets did in fact practice upon it. In fact the early Christians did practice upon it, as they were jews. It is only the later generations which changed.
We dont move away because there is no real implementation of sharia' in the world. Some countries may have some aspects of it, but those same countries ignore large portions of the sharia'.
Machher786 11 months ago
@Machher786 You're not even close to grasping the theology here. Jesus CLEARLY said that he who is sinless should cast the first stone. As for Christians being Jews, that makes no sense. Christianity came from Judaism, but that does not make Christians Jews. You're free to believe what you want brother, but I think it is barbaric and the reality is shown everywhere there is a Muslim majority. There is a reason you don't move and you know full well that you would be killed under Sharia.
madeinsidcup 11 months ago
@madeinsidcup Jesus and his disciples practiced all of the jewish laws, including dietary, dress, marriage etc... There were FEW laws that were exceptions, this is what i meant by Christians being Jews.
The reason I don't move is because as a Muslim I can think much more freely that a Christian. If i were a christian I would have to believe the earth is no more than 10 000 years old, dinosaurs never existed, evolution is "satans work" and the big bang theory has no merit to it.
Machher786 11 months ago
He speaks funny
TheMuslim0 11 months ago
@TheMuslim0 He has a disability.
haloguy145 11 months ago
What the hell is this guy on about?
thumminxy 11 months ago