Origin of Life: (stevebee92653) Eukaryotes & Mitosis???

[ThePunisherNWO]

Exactly, humans were desgined, not by jesus, but humans were designed.

[lockeisback]

thank you, i saw the same video and stopped about a minute from the end, i cudnt stand it. i appreciate ur video im glad to see tht someone else thinks there are ignorant people trying to portray themselves as knowledgeable thank you.

[gregrutz]

stevebee92653 is an IDiot.  He will block you when you prove him wrong. steve if you read this >> you are an ass hole.

[warren52nz]

Wow, you so totally owned that "doctor". Pity so many people take other people's word for things without checking them out.

[Setherlast]

Register your hypercam, dummy!

[DiggityDogg56]

stevebee is an idiot. I handed him his ass on his goofy "mind comes before matter, in fact it created matter" crapola. When I showed him that perception of natural phenomena is in fact not 'creative' but is destructive -for example, the information in the light energy impinging on the eye is destroyed by the eye/optic nerve/brain physiology in converting it to a train of nerve impulses to the brain ... (cont'd)

[DiggityDogg56]

@DiggityDogg56 (cont'd)... the weasely little asshole erase my comment, erased all comment and then disallowed comments on his video. Did I tell you what a weasely little prick he is. I commented on another video of his and the prick's answer was one of his classic non-engagement answers, 'you don't even understand the question' kind of crap. Yeah, that is his hallmark characteristic, non-engagement of the arguments given to him.

[DiggityDogg56]

@DiggityDogg56 Forgot to add that to say the process of perception since it used energy to process the energy carrying the information and dissipated the energy by the very act of perception followed the 2nd law of thermodynaimcs. For steviebee to say otherwise, to reverse the process would therefore violate the 2nd law. Poor ignorant bastard could only reply by removing my comments, removing all comments and banning all comment. Steviebee you are a fucking retarded retard. Eat shit and die.

[DiggityDogg56]

@DiggityDogg56 And he could/would not explain to me why our psychological perception of EM waves in the light wavelength proved that a mind is needed for EM waves to exist. Perception of material phenomena requires by definition some kind of 'mind' but how does perception of material phenomena get stood on it's head so that material phenomena now requires a mind for it's existence and not just it's perception? Again his classic non-engagement, 'you don't understand the question.' FU SB

[theDuctapeUnion]

Thank you for your efforts in spreading science and refuting stevebee's shit flinging.

I am of the firm belief that stevebee is an embittered creationist that seeks only to delay the inevitable death of his god. Congratulations. You've been promoted to Godslayer.

[branemark]

this video is the new level of ownage

owning using information

its the future :D

[odinata]

stevebee is, without a doubt, the stupidest IDer I've come across so far. And that is saying a LOT!

[JAMRAND]

Let me ask a stupid question.

What do you know about the origin of life and why doesnt anyone else know except you?

You plainly state over and over " Anyone that knows about the origin of life "

well do you or dont you .

Plz share..

[DNAunion]

I know a lot about the origin of life that the dullard Stevebee92635, "Dr." Anders Lyndon, doesn't. Such as ...

(1) mitosis would not have been the method of cell division for the first cells, (2) the first cells would not have had nuclei, (3) nor would they have had mitochondria, (4) nor would they have had over 500 enzymes, and that (5) DNA was not required for the origin of life.

[AtheistBrit]

Great response - reasoned and deconstructing.

The funniest part though is when he says in the comments about how "evolutionists" just try to shut them (creationists) up and one-star their videos - when it's the opposite way round!

[Noisegator]

RepresentingTruth - how can you use such a name when you say things like, theories should have an expiry date? Would you say the same for scripture?

People with blind faith "get it right the first time" and never change their decision even when the evidence is overwhelming.

Science at least has the ability to reexamine its conclusions in light of new information.

"Science asks questions which may not be answered. Religion gives answers which may not be questioned."

[ChrisTheTruckDriver]

So I stumbled upon your videos while doing a search for "dr. anders lyndon". Your channel was one of the only relevant hits. Yet the guy lists his name as steve on yt. Question: Creationist liar or troll?

[DNAunion]

Stevebee/Dr. Anders Lyndon (neither are his real name) shows a lot of signs of Creationism, but claims he is not.

Troll? Well, I think he really believes the stupidity he spouts.

I would just chalk him up as a overbearing, scientifically ignorant asshole.

[karausu]

Are you aware that he has a blog? It's evilussion at wordpress, he also had his arguments refuted at the dawkins forums. Steve doesn't have a clue about anything.

[andnoreligiontoo]

@karausu He's been buried by qualified scientists on many forums but continues to spout this bile over YT. He's been given the opportunity to fight his corner but then gone quiet and not returned.

I think it can be said with safety that stevebee is a total and utter numpty, devoid of any kind of reasoning or rationale and with a mind about as closed as one can be.

[RepresentingTruth]

one question. since you rip this guy apart and come across as some i know my stuff dude, why don't you make a simple living cell? since it came to life by mindless chemicals and no direction you should have no trouble making one. btw when do you think in the timeline of earth did oxygen first appear? 1,2,3,4 billion years? in closing i think science needs an exspiration date on theories since they seem to change so often. i would be nice to get it right the first time.

[Protectourbioshpere]

For starters scientific theories rarely change as they are backed by immense amounts of evidence, that why they get to be called theories. Secondly, every idea in science is subject to change. Science is the search for knowledge based on observation. Our ideas are only as good as the tests we develop. The part you are missing is that these ideas have help to years(centuries in some cases) of scientists trying to disprove them.

[perfectbark]

where is UOB?? can't find any literature published by a "dr anders lyndon"

another creationist fraud

[perfectbark]

oh never mind, I get it now ....... University of Bullshit where there teach creationism and ID

[Protectourbioshpere]

UOBS more likely lol

[paulokas69]

Very constructive critic. Really informed and constructive. I'd like to know more about biology!

[flayktheone]

Thank you for your video response. I saw that guy's videos and my mind exploded at how seriously he takes himself, despite having no understanding of evolution, biochemistry, or the scientific method.

[hanzo138]

What I don't get is why do cretards always ask "evolutionists" how did life begin? Why don't they ask chemical biologists? Thats what I would do.

[litopenaeus163]

Thanks for this video! I [barely] passed high school bio and even THAT was enough to smell his BS a mile away. :)

[h8uall66]

Wow! This video was pure pwnage in the highest possible sense.

[Minttzz]

Hey, Good video. I made a couple of comments on his vid. I'm no biologist but I thought his "10 mile long at this scale" DNA sequence accompanied by the voice-over saying "Do you actually think that molecule like this could randomly assemble itself on the early earth?" was a really bad straw man. Misrepresenting both the postulated nature of early life and its complexity. He bad dentist.

[irfanulhaq1]

awesome video mate i totally agree with what you said aswell.

[McTavishBear]

I loved your video. It's cool to see someone so passionate about science making a stand against the ignorant fools trying to drag us back to the dark ages. Subscribed.

[snakeguy76]

I was at first going to give his video a chance because potholer54's was a simplistic video, but once he started going into mitosis I knew he had a 1st year bio education. I always thought the the DNA replisome was the evidence against design, because what all powerful all knowing designer would create a mechanism that he knew made copying mistakes, add a proofreader to correct most mistakes and then still let it go on making mistakes. Which can cause death and suffering.

[DNAunion]

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snakeguy76: I was at first going to give his video a chance because potholer54's was a simplistic video ...

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Yeah, and there are some errors in Potholer54's. For example, early on he says the earth is 4.7 billion years old. But that seemed minor and irrelevant to his main points.

But stevebee92653 talking about eukaryotes and mitosis in relation to the origin of life ... that's just retarded.

And I couldn't help but laugh at stevebee92653's use of MONTEMELLONITE! Too funny!

[stiimuli]

@DNAunion potholer's video has mistakes in it? O_O NOOOO! dont tell me that! I love his videos! Could you please elaborate on this? I love his work and have watched all of his videos (on both channels) but in the interest of valid scientific information I need to know if he's accurate! =(

[karamarouge]

@snakeguy76

Why cant dumb atheists get it in their heads that we dont determine design by trying to guess what the designer was thinking when he designed anything.

Since you cant get into the designer's mind the question or assumption about his intent would be just stupid.

I guess picasso's pictures must have evolved. In one of them, the eye is over there, the nose all over the place...Seriously what artist could have drawn such a messed up face?

[kurtu5]

Thanks. I needed your video after watching that trash.

[Timnorton55]

As a layperson I understand that lipids

are not prebiotic.  Where did original

rna get material to replicate?

[DNAunion]

I realize, and I hope you do too, that you are deviating from the point of my video: that "Dr" (DENTIST!) Anders Lyndon is a complete moron when it comes to the origin of life.

Fatty acids are prebiotically plausible, and that is the membrane system that a scientist named Jack Szostack is working with. He just may be close to giving empirical support for the idea of a single-gene cell: a self-replicating nucleic acid inside of a fatty acid vesicle.

[cheaterfive100]

Why are lipids "plausibly prebiotic"? Because evolution NEEDS them to be, because they form micelles and liposomes in water. So the evolution fairy tale writers make them plausible. Do you slip and slide all over the place on non-biotic lipids today? Oh, I see. They formed billions of years ago, not today, just like all of evolution. Who is the moron? Do you believe in Alice in Wonderland? You should make a vid about the truth of that story. It would be more believable than your fables.

[TheFallibleFiend]

Are you one of SteveBee's sock accounts?

[cheaterfive100]

Are you one of SteveBee's sock accounts?

Sock accounts?????

[DNAunion]

After he has posted again, I believe he is.

And since "Dr." (dentist) Anders Lyndon - aka stevebee92653 - has seen fit to block me, then I will block him too ... including his sock puppet accounts, like cheaterfive100.

[TheFallibleFiend]

Dr. Steve is a feather-weight. I've noticed a number of these fellows seem to travel in packs - just like socks.

[DNAunion]

After he has posted again, I believe he is.

And since "Dr." (dentist) Anders Lyndon - aka stevebee92653 - has seen fit to block me, then I will block him too ... including his sock puppet accounts, like cheaterfive100.

[DNAunion]

As far as RNA, you'll note that I don't claim that science has the origin of life completely worked out. There are gaps in our knowledge.

However, we do know purine & pyrimidine bases, forms of phosphate, and ribose form naturally, (3) certain membranes preferentially allow ribose in, (4) activated nucleotides can polymerize on montmorillonite, (5) a general-purpose RNA replicase riboyzme, capable of copying up to 20 nucleotides of just about any sequence thrown at it, exists.

[cheaterfive100]

"As far as RNA, you'll note that I don't claim that science has the origin of life completely worked out. There are gaps in our knowledge".

I'll say there are gaps. They're about as wide as the universe. Billions of years of imagination piled upon on thousands of fairy tales. I think you would be more honest by saying, "I just don't know and never will". It will always be one of life's great puzzles.

[DNAunion]

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cf: I think you would be more honest by saying, "I just don't know and never will".

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Ah, the old "throw our hands up in defeat" attitude brought about by the anti-science (usually religious, too) mentality.

If we did that everytime there were unexplained gaps in our knowledge, we'd still be in the Dark Ages. Thank "God" not everyone thinks like you.

[cheaterfive100]

Ah, the old "throw our hands up in defeat" attitude brought about by the anti-science (usually religious, too) mentality.

Since I don't believe in evolution or abiogenises, I am anti-science? What planet are you from? Finding cures for diseases, space exploration, technology etc. That's good science. Evolution and abiogensis are pure science fiction and stand in the way of good science. Billions of years of fantasy! Any great cures from Ev or Abiogenesis? New technologies? None!

[DNAunion]

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cf: Since I don't believe in evolution or abiogenises, I am anti-science?

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Evolution is perfectly valid science, and you don't believe in it. Pretty much makes you anti-science.

... continued ...

[DNAunion]

cheaterfive100, let's see, so far, we've got 2 areas of science - that just so happen to contradict the Bible according to many Christians - that you are against.

1) evolution

2) abiogenesis

How about you tell us your stance on the following areas of science?

3) big bang, about 13.7 billion years ago

4) age of the earth (~4.5 billion years old)

5) radiometric dating

6) there was no global flood as described in the Bible

[DNAunion]

Evolutionary theory has played a role in treating certain illnesses.

When it was realized that random mutations were occurring in bacteria/viruses that provided resistance to a given drug, and therefore that resistance spreading because those that were resistant to it were the ones surviving and reproducing, "drug cocktails" began to be used. They contain multiple drugs because the probability of mutiple random mutations occuring that confer resistance to all of them is extremely small.

[DNAunion]

Evolution - accumulated changes in heritable (genetic) traits in populations over time - also gave us certain crops.

Corn was evolved, through artificial selection, from teosente.

Cabbage, brussels sprouts, cauliflower, kale, broccoli, and kohlrabi were all evolved, through artificial seleciton, from wild mustard.

[DNAunion]

For a long time, evolutionary trees - phylogenetic trees - have given us insight into which animals we are most closely related to, which allows us to choose the best model organisms to work with in regards to medical studies.

[DNAunion]

PS: Nothing you've said counters my video's facts that show "Dr" (dentist) Anders Lyndon to be completely ignorant when it comes to the origin of life.

You realize that, right?

[DNAunion]

And here are some evidences that suggest an RNA world existed.

1. Solves the chicken-or-egg paradox, "Which came first, DNA or proteins?"

2. Peptidyl transferase activity of ribosome performed by RNA, not protein

3. RNA primers required by all DNA polymerases

4. DNA nucleotides made from RNA nucleotides

5. RNA nucleotides used in several other fundamental biochemical processes

a. ATP

b. Coenzyme A & its derivative acetyl-CoA

c. NAD+, NADP+, and FAD+

[DNAunion]

CF, my bad. I went to reply to your post again but this time hit "REMOVE" by accident. So it's gone.

I will repost it from the text of the notification I received. You can then, if you want to, copy it from my post and post it again as your own.

[DNAunion]

DNA, looks like you missed the point of the video. You look at the small stuff. The point of the vid is that abiogenesis is impossible. Chemicals forming, creating RNA/DNA, crawling into fat cells and viola, life begins? You and your buddies demean ID and you believe in this stuff? Just curious, are you one of potholder54's toadies? About Anders Lyndon, why don't you leave your full name & address & collegiate degrees on your videos? Heck, you could be in a mental ward for all we know.

[DNAunion]

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cf: Just curious, are you one of potholder54's toadies?

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Nope.

If that was supposed to be some kind of attack on my personal character, you failed. Care to try again?

OH WAIT, YOU DID TRY AGAIN!!!  LOL! You're pathetic.

[DNAunion]

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cf: The point of the vid is that abiogenesis is impossible.

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Then ever the "big point" of the video is wrong!

Show me exactly how abiogenesis is IMPOSSIBLE! You can't.

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cf: [RNA/DNA] crawling into fat cells

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Your stooping to using a strawman only makes you look pathetic and unable to face the real position.

[DNAunion]

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cf: DNA, looks like you missed the point of the video. You look at the small stuff.

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No, a DENTIST (LOL!) talking as an alleged expert on the origin of life, but talking about eukaryotes and mitosis, is no small matter. It shows that "Dr" (DENTIST!) Anders Lyndon is COMPLETLEY incompetent and clueless on the matter.

[Timnorton55]

What evidence do you have for protocells

and that Eukaryot cells appeared 1 billion

yrs after?

[DNAunion]

For prokaryotes ...

About 3.5 Gya, the first fairly definite signs of (prokaryotic) life (fossils and stromatolites) on Earth appear (Futuyma, p94; Bettjer, p46).

[DNAunion]

For eukaryotes ...

About 1.75 Gya (currently oldest fossils) or about 2.7 Gya (molecular biomarkers) the first eukaryotes appeared (Futuyma, p96;

I'll try to post the 2 URLs I have in the next post ...

[DNAunion]

adsabs (dot) harvard (dot) edu (slash) abs (slash) 2006AAS...20923701B

[DNAunion]

w w w (dot) peripatus (dot) gen (dot) nz (slahs) Paleontology (slash) MaiLinEvo (dot) html

[anderslyndon]

And, congratulations on a fascinating vid! Who scored you, your mom and you?

[DNAunion]

Hey, steevebee, why did you block me from commenting on your videos?????

Can't stand for everyone to see how retarded your videos really are???

[anderslyndon]

Boy,y'all sure got me,attacking my cartoon cells,misspelled word,and all.You skipped the tiny stuff:

Life getting into those dead micelles?

R/DNA survival in the elements,or a fat blob? A billion years?

The source of that pesky DNA code.BTW, I didn't say the earth wasn't old,I said the code didn't form BECAUSE of a billion years.

How did DNA find Monty Moore clay, and snuggle inside the lipid so it could have babies?

LH amino acids?

Source of lipids, since they're a product of life?

[DNAunion]

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al: The source of that pesky DNA code.BTW, I didn't say the earth wasn't old,I said the code didn't form BECAUSE of a billion years.

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I'll chalk that up to a problem on both our sides.

If someone is (1) arguing against the scientific consensus of "evolution", (2) shows he's ignorant of the science, & (3) says something about billions of years being a tired old excuse, then it is likely that that person will be considered a YEC (if it walks like a YEC, and talks like a YEC ...)

[DNAunion]

More on this ...

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al: The source of that pesky DNA code.BTW, I didn't say the earth wasn't old,I said the code didn't form BECAUSE of a billion years.

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Even once we eliminate your being a YEC, your statement, both here and in your video, is still too vague to be properly addressed. Exactly WHAT DNA code are you referring to?

[DNAunion]

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al: LH amino acids?

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When I get time, I will address that.

PS: I had already addressed it in one of my three video responses to you. In fact, one of my 3 videos STILL contains the clip of YOUR statements.

I had replied at length but the video got to be around 15 minutes (or more) long, so I decided to delete the stuff about homochirality and create a separate video for it. I deleted my statements, but forgot to delete yours.

[DNAunion]

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al: Source of lipids, since they're a product of life?

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Jack Szostack is one of the leaders in trying to create a first cell (protocell): his cell has a fatty-acid membrane, not a lipid/phospholipid membrane.

[tenneral]

This is good in every way. Clearly you know the score on abiogenesis. Though I have never studied biology to a high level, I can see already that your videos will get me on the right lines: you have certainly already answered many of my earliest questions on this important topic.