Keep it up Steve. You have been a big help to me. I offer a suggestion to whoever is in unbelief about Jesus being the Everlasting Father, and this is in love brothers, I'm not looking for debate. Check out John 8:24-27 Put yourself in the context and reckon whether or not you are siding with Jesus in these passages, or the pharisees.
Notice who He says He is in verse 8:58. That's an emphatic statement.
There are many verses suggesting seperate persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit... while there are other verses suggesting all are One. John 14 tells me that Jesus is the Father and the Holy Spirit.
In various ways has the devil rivalled and resisted the truth. Sometimes his aim has been to destroy the truth by defending it. He maintains that there is one only Lord, the Almighty Creator of the world, in order that out of this doctrine of the unity he may fabricate a heresy. He says that the Father Himself came down into the Virgin, was Himself born of her, Himself suffered, indeed was Himself Jesus Christ.
Tertullian, Against Praxeus, Chapter 1 circa 207 AD.
But God hath revealed them unto us by HIS Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
... even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
.and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Matt. 3:15-7
Amen, KingJamesMan the translation of the King James Bible 1611 also known as the Authorized Version is the only successful translation into english from the original Hebrew, Armaic, and Greek text. Flesh and bone didn't reveal that truth concerning Jesus Christ. It was the "Spirit of Christ" that revealed that truth concerning Jesus' true and proper divinity. As the Godhead being Him. It's refreshing to see that the Lord Jesus has revealed this same truth to you as He has me as well. Amen!
I and the father are one... lol what should he tells u again to beleive he is God. If the father is God then he is also lol.... They are blind spiritually if someone can't accept the fact
Yeshua(Jesus) is the Alpha and Omega the First and the Last. in the book Isaiah the First and the Last said that there is no other God. in the New Testament Jesus who is the Alpha and Omega said that the Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD none else so if Jesus is the Alpha and Omega then according to his deity he is GOD THE FATHER(THE LIVING WORD)
the Word of Life does refer to the life of GOD in other words the Holy Ghost.
to back you isa. 9"6 and God himself said he would personally give us a sign and that sign he would do himself was that a virgin would be born and his name shall be GOD (not his son) with us because God is a Spirit amen you are spot on!! have you learned of the Lords sabbath day? love ya have a great day!!!
Your a husband,Father,Teacher,Counselor yet your one person and you have one name..and no one gets confused over that..but for some reason they do about God..
kcwmjb i have yet to see you use scripture yet you critique and say hes not .although he is using much scripture who cares what has been taught over 500 years the word is eternal and it doesnt change.
One reason I repeat it is that most of you want to change the verse as it reads. Most of you cannot deal with the fact that Jesus is called "The everlasting Father" (there, I repeated it again!). Changing that scripture is just your way of hiding from it. I don't know if you change it personally, but I suspect you do.
You change what WORD means for your approval which has no biblical, exegetical, contextual, historical, or lingual support. Then you condemn the person with more scriptual and lingual support, than you by saying they change what father means, which can be proved in hebrew? You reason in circles and hardly fully answer anything, Yet you bash calvinism, almost any MINOR calvinistic scholar would school you in anything theological. You should have repented since 94, but you remain blind sir.
You're calling me "hostile" and you say I worship idols of the KJV and myself. My, my, my. If that's your lovingkindness, I'll pass. If you don't like my teaching, then go on down the road. I'm sure you'll find a church on every corner that would oblige your teachings.
KJVM it is difficult to see such heretical lies so boldly and unscripturally defended as the truth and say nothing. You did not answer the question which seems to be a pattern for you. Sure I said you worship the idol of the KJV-only crowd because you make that translation out to be far more "holy" than other equally true and valuable translations like the ASV, NASB, Geneva to name just a few. Your "oneness" theology falls on its face at Gethsemane - why would Son pray "himself"?
It seems KJVM that you like very much to imagine yourself as a studied teacher what with all the videos that you have assailing some of the most influential leaders in the past 500 years of Christianity with your attacking Calvinism, the Trinity, etc.... You have rarely responded to your critics with scripture but find it satisfactory to level charges against them and pick out of the comments anything that will enable you to not deal with Scripture, such is the method of a false teacher Steve.
You want to lecture me on the Bible? Maybe you're more qualified to lecture me on Pink Floyd, Peter Frampton, and other worldly musicians you give honor to on your site. I'm blinded by my idols? Please. Your idols are on your YouTube sight in front of the whole world. When I see stuff like that, I don't even take you seriously. Run along now.
Again Steve you go to something other than what accords with the Scriptures you are in violation of when you proclaim idiotic ideas like you anti-Calvinistic nonsense, your anti-Trinity simplicities which are so nonsensical it causes one to wonder if there is any light in your world. Why did Jesus in Gethsemane pray to the Father if He was the Father? You have a tendency to take passages of Scripture way out of context and exclusive of many other texts that provide clarity and comprehension.
Why does Jesus pray to the Father if he is the Father? Very simple. The same reason and the same analogy could be used for Jesus being God. Why does God pray to God if Jesus is God and the Father is God? Even you believe that. My argument is no different. The Father in flesh is praying to the Father's Spirit. God in flesh is praying to God's Spirit. Why is it thought a thing incredible with you that God in flesh can pray to God in Spirit, or the Father in flesh to the Father in Spirit?
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God. Jn 1:1 He was in the beginning with God. v.2 Why the differentiation Steve? If your premise is correct there is absolutely no reason for v. 2 nor the focal point of v.1 that the Word was with God in the beginning. Your idea isn't even cohesive because so many Scriptures shred it to bits in contextual understanding. Such as Jesus baptism where all 3 are co-existant and distinct for many to experience. Lost in a verse.
Why don't you just reply biblically like you admonish me and deal with the biblical argument I made that 1 john 1:1-2 gives the definition of the phrase "the Word" since it is used in both passages by the same author in the same similar verse. "The Word" means the life of God as defined in 1 John 1:-1-2. God's life is not a separate person, so the Word isn't either. Touche.
Wow aren't you full of yourself. Though your effort to explain away John 1:1-2 by a convoluted interpretation of 1 John 1:1,2 it clearly says the Word was WITH THE FATHER, how do they in a "oneness" theological view coexist? This is utterly pointless Steve as your effort to establish your heresy is going nowhere. You can't just take parts of a passage, you have to read and understand it in the context of the whole passage.
Yes, 1 John 1 says the word "was with the Father." To be exact, it says "that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifest to us." What was with the Father???--"that eternal life". So what was "with God" was God's eternal life, not some second person of a concocted 3 person Babylonian/Catholic Trinity. It was the life which was manifest according to 1 John. Readddddddddd.
This is perposterous! He pushes KJV onlyism and then says WORD means something different! ETERNAL LIFE IS THE WORD "WORD"?!? NOT ONE TRANSLATION SAYS ETERNAL LIFE. The word is LOGOS. It has absolutely NO reference to "eternal life." You push the the KJV is the PERFECT word of God when calvinists give proper interpretations of Greek words(Pas anyone? lol). And then you have authority to say that the KJV is wrong and so is the greek manuscripts and the previous Bibles with "WORD"? GET CONSISTENT.
You have no idea how to define words biblically. You compare scripture with scripture. Scripture defines itself. 1 John 1:2 defines John 1:1. "The Word" means "that eternal life". It can't be clearer. All your sophistry and attempts at intimidating me with your philosophical, scholarly tripe won't work.
Comparing Scripture with Scripture...you mean like Exodus 3:14 and John 8:58? Well, we won't go there because it doesn't support your presuppositions.
Why then KJVM would God's word say in Genesis 1:26-27 "Let US make man in OUR OWN image, after our likeness"? Your KJ (IDOL) version even then goes on to finish the thought in the singular God. Clearly Steve you are again too blinded by your idols, the KJV, the battle against God's Sovereignty in Salvation, the idols of viewing yourself as a worthy teacher of doctrine and attacking those with whom you disagree with such hostility and blindness that it boggles the mind to understand your pursuit.
Isaiah 9:6 (King James Version) 6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
The Son is God; The Father is God; The Holy Spirit is God.
Yet the Father is NOT the Son; The Son is NOT the Holy Spirit: The Holy Spirit is NOt the Father.
YAHWEH is the Father , the Word, and the Holy Ghost. Yahweh is all three but One. But when he appeared unto John in revelation he identified himself as Jesus the Messiah. Even stephen called in Acts chapter 7 called GOD "Lord Jesus". in the OLd testament his Name is Yahweh but in the New testament his name is Jesus(Yashua) GOD is an absolue "1". not 3 seperate poeple ezekial,Daniel,and john saw a manifestation of God as ONE on the throne. Jesus(Yashua) is the Fulness of the GodHead manifest.
oneness is not a biblical word, Jesus is the Father is not a biblical sentence, the Father died on the cross is a theological error, we is a "singular pronoun" is a grammatical error, Jesus prayed to himself is´nt logical, the Father spoke to his son but it was not like that is other of your disrespectful interpretations, etc. etc. etc. So, oneness say that they have the perfect doctrine and understandig of the bible, enough to say all the other christians and true believers are lost?
I don't use the word "oneness" or at least try not to. I never said Jesus is the Father is a "biblical sentence." The Father dying on the cross maybe theological error to you, but I could care less what "theology" teaches. I never said "we" is a singular pronoun. Jesus praying to himself may not be logical, but if you were a man who also was an omnipresent spirit, your logic would disappear. Any "Christians" that worship a false Jesus are not Christians.
Brother you have truly blessed my spirit, if there are any barriers that the devil is putting up against you i pray that they not only be brought down but be destroyed because you really are helping many people tremendously!
Thank you. I expect great opposition, for most of the church world is blind to many things including who Jesus is. All they know is what they're taught by their seminaries and pastors. The few that know differently are persecuted and that is expected.
Jesus goes thru various titles as the ages progress. In the time of the gentiles Jesus is head over the church and our High Priest.
Heb 2:17, 3:1, 4:14, 5:10, 6:20, 7:26 and 9:11. He is also a prince to the world Acts 3:15, 5:31, Rev 1:5 At the close of the time of gentiles, HE resurrects HIS saints as a king with one crown Rev 14:14. After the marriage supper with the saints on the sea of glass in the 1st heaven HE returns as Kings of Kings with many crowns Rev 19:12, 19:16, 17:14
Thanks for posting your video. Is. 9:6 speaks of a future coming son, who would become the everlasting FATHER. This is fulfilled in Acts 2:36 GOD made our crucified Jesus LORD & CHrist. Also Eph 1:10-33, Phil 2:6-11, Col 1:15-19
Well Calvin it seems to be polytheism because if God is a UNIFIED One and not a NUMBERICAL One, then why get offended when we say that God is numerically ONE? What I don't understand is how God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are separate PERSONS, but they are only One the same way that a man and his wife are one, yet not be 3 Gods. The last time i checked my wife and I are one flesh, but two separate and distict persons. Please help me understand
I will let jesus disprove that he is not the father
John 12 44Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 49For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
kingsoliman85, that very verse you use is one I use to show Jesus is the Father. Jesus said when you believe on him, you are believing on the one who sent him. So then, believing in Jesus is also believing on the one who sent him, and the only way that can be possible is for both to be the same person; otherwise, believing on one is NOT believing on the other. If they are separate persons, believing on one is NOT believing on the other, yet Jesus said it is.
"If they are separate persons, believing on one is NOT believing on the other."
They are one in purpose, you can not say i believe in god but i dont believe in jesus because jesus says
John 12
49For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
so you can not deny jesus because his words come from god, and you can't believe just in jesus because he tells us what he says is from god and not from him
This just proves that Jesus is co-eternal with the Father. If you believe Jesus you are believing the Father because they are part of the same GODHEAD.
kingsoliman, so according to trinitarian doctrine, we would conclude that God the Son is soborinate to God the Father. If so be the case then you can't make the claim that they are co-equal, correct? which one is it are they co-equal or not? please explain.
Well Deliratio, I likewise slightly disagree with you. Most people i know that support the trinity insist that the Godhead consists of 3 seperate entities. Implying that the Father didn't create the heavens and the earth, but ONLY the Son. A theory which the scriptures clearly does not support. Where you and I disagree is the theory that their are 3 persons in the Godhead. From what i understand there is one person (Heb. 1:3,Col. 1:15-17)...
...As much as I hear people teach that there are 3 seperate persons in the Godhead. I have never read any such thing in the scriptures. Now i do agree that there are different ways that God reveals himself to mandkind, but his Spirit or Word is no more a distinct person from Himself then a man and his own spirit (1 Corinthians 2:10-11). Think about it.
The case is only closed if you would admit that you believe in atleast TWO GODS. And if you do in fact believe in TWO GODS, then since the Holy Spirit is God - not the Son, not the Father; then that would make him a third God, correct?
What is the problem with the oneness?. If I´m baptized in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, I´m baptized as Jesus said, it is enough, was Jesus commandment. I feel very well, it is, complete, doing Jesus will and acomplishing Jesus word, and by the way, believing like Jesus said, in the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. These three are one as Jhon said.
Every time I see or hear someone getting baptized in the name of The Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. I start to think to myself.... OK what is the name?
Because none of the above was a name. The Father is not a name - Yahuah is! The Son is not a name - Yahushua is! And the Holy Ghost is not a name either.
We really do only have One God!
Isa 43:11 I, I am YHWH, and besides Me there is no saviour.
YHWH is the Name of The Father, and who is the Saviour?
Weldon Steve, you are doing a good job. Keep it up. GOD ALMIGHTY never HIMSELF said that there awe THREE PERSONS in HIM. The Christian trinitarian idolatry is very deep rooted. This is the clear cut other Gospel because it associates other Gods with Jehova the Father. The Trinity is an ironic belief b/c in trinity God the Son and God the Holy Spirit have a God, God the Father. God the Son and God the Holy Spirit seem to be brothers or brother-sister. Simply A God cannot have a God. Aftab
I´m inviting everybody to make his own research in Bible. I made one, and I found more than 501 texts-sentenses in NT where Jesus recognizes the difference between He and his Father, or the apostles make this same difference. Just in NT more than 501. For me that is enough, I hope the same for everybody. NT never says what oneness strongly affirm, something like Jesus is the Father, or that Jesus was praying to himself, remember, more than 501, make your own research, you will find it. GBY
501 eh? I bet you can't find one, just one, that God is three PERSONS. I bet you can't find one, just one verse, that uses the word "persons" in reference to God. Father and Son does not prove two persons,especially when the Father is the Spirit of God and the Son is his flesh. You have a spirit and flesh and are one person and are in his image.
in Hebrews 2:13 is clear why Jesus is called father, and it is because his Father gave him sons, have you not read that?, haven´t you. Jesus never ask his disciples call him "father". You should make your research like me.
KJVMan, maybe you've answered this elsewhere but I wonder how you read John 17:5. To whom is Jesus speaking? The many times Jesus speaks to the Father, is he being Schizophrenic? That is not intended sarcastically. These are honest Q's.
JN 14: 8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
How much clearer does it need to be. So now, as you put it "You have one stupid Jesus" contradicting himself. One minute he's saying that he's part of a trinity but later on he's saying that he's the Father
I'm rather perplexed about this. KingJamesMan is flatly stating Calvinism is heresy from which God "delivered" him, yet has embraced a heresy himself: Modalism.
How sad that believing in Jesus Christ as your only saviour and God is branded as "Modalism." The disciples were first called "Christians" in Antioch (Acts). I didn't read anything about any "Trinitarians," and please don't argue back with that lame response "Just because a word is not in the Bible doesn't mean it's wrong." No, it just means you made it up and can't make me subscribe to it. "Christians" means a follower of Christ Jesus. You can re-label that if you like, but scripture doesn't.
follower of the Son of God, cause he is the way to the Father. My Lord jesus said: go, make disciples, and baptis them in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. He himself makes difference between Father and Son, and Son and Holy Ghost.
I have not said any such thing. Of course belief in Christ as Savior is necessary.
And I would request that you allow me to argue for myself instead of putting words in my mouth to suit your own argument. The fact remains that you have embraced a view regarding the Person, Nature and work of Christ that is not substantiated by Scripture and historical Orthodoxy.
Yes, that is true, but Scripture does not tell us we sin with our ears. We sin with our mouths. When a man speaks error and I hear it, who has sinned?
Isaiah 45:21 "Declare and set forth your case; Indeed, let them consult together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has long since declared it? Is it not I, the LORD? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me.
Isaiah 43:3 "For I am the LORD your God, The Holy One of Israel, your Savior; I have given Egypt as your ransom, Cush and Seba in your place.
Isaiah 44:6 "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.
Hosea 13:4 "Yet I have been the LORD your God Since the land of Egypt; And you were not to know any god except Me, For there is no savior besides Me."
Interesting LuthAMF, that (Jehovah, Yahweh, Elohim) of the O.T. is saying that he's the Savior. So would you say that there are 2 Saviors (God the Son, and God the Father)?
Alright, well here's what I've come up with: Joh 1:18 says that nobody's ever seen God. If somebody HAS seen the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, then what is this referring to?
Also, Jesus says: "And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven." (Luke 12:10). If the Son of Man (Jesus) and the Holy Ghost are the same person than what does this mean?
The reason 1 can be forgiven for speaking against the son of man is 'cos he's not here to condemn man but to save man. To speak blasphemy against the HG as the pharisees did: Mar 3:30 'Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.' Is the 1 sin that can never be forgiven in this world or the next. They spoke against God himself by calling him something he is not.
Jesus is eternal father, but not THE eternal father. The Heberew word used here is 'ad. This doesn't mean 'the eternal,' it means 'eternal.' The King James Bible is NOT the only correct translation. It is a good translation, but, again, NOT a perfect translation.
Jesus Follower, are you suggesting then that we have TWO Fathers? Furthermore, I don't really see the difference between the titles "the eternal" and "eternal", the way i understand it, they are exactly the same. Your commentary is throwing me. Please explain.
"Jesus, as MAN died. However, He existed AS GOD OUTSIDE OF THE BODY." First of all, this is a true statement..However,my question to you is, how did Jesus exist as God outside of the human body? Please explain.
as the word. Jn 1,1-2.".. the Word was with God,... He was with God in the beginning." Biblical quotation. and Jhn 17:5 "And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began" biblical quotation. If you accept this biblical quotation you will understand that Jesus was before the creation of the world as the Word with the Father. <open your mind.
no my mind is very much opened YGK. See its the way that we interpret these passages that makes all the difference. John chapter 1-2, is simply stating that the Word was with God and was God. The scriptures also say that there is one God the Father. As we believe it-if there is ONE God and the Word was God, then the Word is not a separate being or person outside of that One God. The same way a man's word can be with him, yet we don't say that its a separate person.
Maranatha, if you believe that Jesus is God, then how is it that God gave Jesus the things mentioned in the book... Again, isn't Jesus God? Think about that question.. Furthermore, the common error for trinitarians is that when you see in the Bible Father and Son, you automatically assume there is a separation. Very seldom do i find those that admit that it speaks to a DISTINCTION, as opposed to a separation of persons or Gods.
We don't get mad. We can't make sense of how you believe as you do. If anyone is seeking God in his heart, the Holy spirit will teach him the true Gospel. I was raised in the church and I saw a lot of things that something in me questioned. I thought I had the true knowledge of God. I got out of a church that allowed false preachers to come and speak. God ways is above our ways of finding out. I only want to know what the scriptures say.
MaranathaLordJesus. The NT doesn't say that. It says Jesus is the creator. Peter said the Spirit that moved on the OT prophets was Jesus. God is one. Not some social club like the Kiwanis. Read Zechariah 14:9 And in that day, the Lord (Jesus) shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be, the Lord is ONE and HIS NAME ONE. Read your bible, leave traditions of men behind.
This KingJamesVideoMan teaches another Jesus. It's blaspime to say Jesus is the Father. How can Jesus be His own Father? God is love. Of all the Oneness people I have talked to, not one has ever said 'I love you with the love of Christ or end their message with God bless.' Their 'free will' will never accept correction. I know many Oneness people, and sad to say, they are not saved. A false Jesus can't save you. Oneness is an early Church heresy that's back to decieve again.
No it isn't your just scripturally ignorant and duped by old Roman Catholic tradition. Isaiah 9:6 says the Messiah is the everlasting Father. Well for goodness sakes, how many Fathers do we have? Jesus said, if you've seen me, YOU'VE SEEN THE FATHER. You mix up Spirit and flesh. The humanity of Christ and his deity. Show me where Moses or the Prophets taught that God was a triune God? It comes from Babylonian and Egyptian paganism. Look it up, quit believing your man made tradition. OKAY?
Why are you sounding mad? Read Genesis 18:1-3. Three men were standing before Abraham and he called them Lord, singular. Study Deuteronomy 6:4 and find out what the Hebrew meaning of the word 'one' is. Can you reply with the love of Christ?
You can't be serious? The three messengers from God was the trinity? HAAAAAA HAAAAAA HAAAAAA Come on! Sir, they were messengers of God. NO MAN HAS EVER SEEN GOD. That's scripture. These three men were not God. God is one. Hear O Israel the Lord our God is one Lord. The Word is ECHAD, it means one. It can mean plural as far but that is as far as attributes go. Do you count in Hebrew I can. It means one.
Echad means a compound unity. I never said the three men were God or the trinity. It shows that Abraham saw the three as one. If no man has ever seen God and you say God and Jesus are the same persons, then that verse is a lie. Scripture doesn't contradict scripture. God can not lie. I hear everything you say, however, scripture doesn't back it up. I get a different picture when I read the Bible. God is a Spirit and I am sure He would not use bad grammar in explaining who He is.
And read up on your Hebrew. It's the word they use for the number ONE. It's how they count, just like we say one, two three. Just because Abraham said Lord to three beings does NOT IN ANY way mean that he meant God was three in one. God can manifest himself 1000 different ways, but is he 1000 different Gods? Read Zechariah 14:9 and tell me what you think. Paul said Jehovah was manifest in the flesh. You people forget that the bible is a Jewish written book, anything but oneness is heresy to them
you mix everything to explain your doctrine. Bible teaches. There is one God. There are three that bear record on heaven: the Father, the Word and the Spirit, but they are not three gods. Though there is distintion of persons there is just one God. I´m monotheistic.
God cannot be three separate and distinct persons and not be three gods. This comes from Babylonian paganism. It and many other things were adopted into the church by church pagans to bring the pagans to church. Phil 1, 1 Peter 1, Romans 8 all say the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Jesus. Read the chapters.
I am a former trinitarian, but with no concordances, no help from anyone, just reading my bible, I came to the conclusion that God is one.
you came to the conclusion that God is One. me too. It is biblical conclusion, it is what christians believe everywhere.
I did read my bible and found more than 501 sentences-texts where the Father is distinct of the Son. I made this research without help of anybody, just reading my
Really, Matthew says baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Why did the Apostles in Acts 2, 8, 10, 19 all baptize ONLY in Jesus Name? Because in Matthew, he spoke only in the singular. NAME OF. And Father Son and Holy Ghost aren't names they are titles of the one true God. Jesus is the Name. Acts proves it.
Not one verse says "God the Holy Ghost or God the Son. Those come from fourth century paganism. The doctrine was not adopted by the church until around 325. How come Moses or the prophets didn't teach it? How come four times in the NT the Holy Spirit is called the Spirit of Christ? How can the Holy Ghost be a separate third person and yet, be called the Spirit of Jesus? How is it the Holy Ghost overshadowed Mary, but you say the Father is the Father of Jesus? God is one, that's the answer.
BUT, Jesus is the Father manifest in a fleshly tabernacle...Jesus said this himself. "IF YOU HAVE SEEN ME, YOU HAVE SEEN THE FATHER." Isaiah 9:6 says that he is the EVERLASTING FATHER. There can't be two fathers. 1 Timothy 3:16 says that God (our Father) was manifest in the flesh. The trinity wasn't even accepted by the church, until the fourth century. That along with much other paganism items.
"Face to face" with God the Father. Are you teaching that God has two faces or three??? There is no scripture from the King James teaching that trash. That is your false manuscripts, Roman Catholic Vaticanus and Sinaitcus manuscripts that are the basis of Westcott and Hort and others that are behind your New American and New International and all the other trash.
Jesus said nothing about being "like" the father. He said Philip "hath seen the Father." You changed it and added to it to fit your theology. I did not.
You can't be serious. But yet you are, and it's kind of funny actually. So God gave Jesus the revelation of who Jesus is????? Jesus doesn't know who he is according to you. He gave the revelation to John. Try again.
Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Shouldn't the Lord have said, I am the Trinity, or I am the second person or I am the eternally begotten son or I am God the Son or any other your invented terms?
The God that Paul worshipped, the Old Testament Jewish Pharisee, was Jesus Christ and him only. No one else answered the question "Who art thou, Lord?"
Are you aware of the fact that throughout Scottish history, there were sons of kings who were kings at the same time their fathers were kings? Jesus is King of Kings becuase Kings on earth will be judged by him and of course he rules his Church. But his Father is King over all of Heaven Host, including Christ's Kingdom.
Matthew 26:53. "Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels?
Oh, I guess I'm not a "Trinitarian" because I have no problem reconciling the Everlasting Father of Isaiah 9:6 with Hebrews 1:5. For to which of the angels did He ever say, "YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"?
And again, "I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME"?
You also overlook the fact that since Isaiah 6:9 is a prophecy, the name Everlasting Father is a future title for the child, like when he grows up and inherits his kingdom and bride, the Church.
YesGodknows, Jn 17:5 does it for me definately. However, can you explain (from the Bible) how Jesus had glory with the Father before the world began? A good way to start would be by going over Jn 1:1-18 and Genesis chapters 1 & 2. A clue, with out me giving you too much my interpretation, is that the "WORD" that was spoken to create the world. Check it out for yourself.
I have not to explain you how, cause you just must believe what 17:5 says. That is your problem you dont accept the more of 501 texts-sentences in NT that clearly make difference between Father and Son cause you look how to deny them just for defending your theory. this is a real question: Who invented the theory of "Jesus man praying to Jesus God" "Jesus man giving thanks to Jesus God" "Jesus God forgetting to Jesus man" "Jesus God separeted of Jesus man" "Jesus God answering to Jesus man"
I´m surprised how the people can go deeply with one idea. It is dangerous cause can fall in heresy trying to be teachers
IT IS ENOUGHLY CLEAR FOR ME THE DIFF BTW FATHER AND SON
Jn 17:1-5: Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Here Everlasting Father means of creation. Jesus being God is the Eternal Father of Creation John 1:1 Thus Jesus is All Mighty God but not the Father nor is HE The Holy Spirit. The Spirit bears witness of Jesus.
This is irrefutable evidence of the Complex Union of the Divine Nature: Zec 2:8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.
Zec 2:9 For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me.
The Son in the OT: Do homage to the Son, lest He become angry, and you perish in the way, For His wrath may soon be kindled. How blessed are all who take refuge in Him! (Psalms 2:12)
Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or His Son's name? Surely you know! (Proverbs 30:4)
The Father in the OT: "Have you not just now called to Me, 'My Father, Thou art the friend of my youth? (Jeremiah 3:4)
"Then I said, 'How I would set you among My sons, And give you a pleasant land, The most beautiful inheritance of the nations!' And I said, 'You shall call Me, My Father, And not turn away from following Me.' (Jeremiah 3:19)
The Father in the OT: For Thou art our Father, though Abraham does not know us, And Israel does not recognize us. Thou, O LORD, art our Father, Our Redeemer from of old is Thy name. (Isaiah 63:16)
But now, O LORD, Thou art our Father, We are the clay, and Thou our potter; And all of us are the work of Thy hand. (Isaiah 64:8)
Explain: Do you thus repay the LORD, O foolish and unwise people? Is not He your Father who has bought you? He has made you and established you. (Deuteronomy 32:6)
"He will cry to Me, 'Thou art my Father, My God, and the rock of my salvation.' (Psalms 89:26)
Explain: Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Exo 6:2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD: Exo 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
For those who believe Jesus is the Father explain: Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
Easy, If you read Both Dan 7:13-14 you would see that this is a VISION of something to happen in the future. The "One like the Son of Man" that he saw was given everlasting dominion, Glory, and a Kingdom of all peoples. This, of course doesn't happen until after the resurrection.
Praise the Lord! I have enjoyed watching your clips about the various subjects. From some of the posts left by others, many people do not agree with you. Stay strong in the faith. Matt 10:22 Jesus is speaking to His disciples. He says that we shall be hated of all men for His names sake. Praise God for the angry and bitter people who would rather hold onto traditions of men than actually read the Bible for themselves.
Keep up the great work, I enjoy every minute of it.
Praise the Lord! God is good. I enjoy too reading Bible. neither Jesus nor the apostles taught he was the Father, even Jesus didn´t called Son to any of his disciples. I made my own research, and I found more than 501 sentences-texts where Jesus is clearly different person-subject-individual than the Father. You can make your own researh and will be convinced what I am talking about without necesity to hear to one cult or another, but in order to be sure just for Bible.
YesGodknows, here you go: Jn 14:8-9 'Phillip said to him, "Lord show us the Father, and it is enough for us". Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Phillip? He who has seen Me Has seen the Father, how can you say,'Show us the Father'?
The only passages where NT speaks of Jesus as Father is Hebr 2:8-13. There the writer says.."in bringing many sons to glory,"...and "I will declare your name to my brothers"... and "Here am I, and the children God has given me". It is clear here that the Father gave him sons, for this reason Jesus is father but for the will of the Father, and even Jesus call his disciples as his brothers, cause Jesus said many times, there is just One Father and he is in heaven, my Father(said Jesus) and yours
neither Jesus nor the apostles taught he was the Father, even Jesus didn´t called Son to any of his disciples. I made my own research, and I found more than 501 sentences-texts where Jesus is clearly different person-subject-individual than the Father. You can make your own researh and will be convinced what I am talking about without necesity to hear to one cult or another.
I just believe what Bible says: The FAther sent his son to die on the cross. The Father raised him up. The Son will deliver the kingdom to his Father. The Word was at the begining with God. The Son is at the right hand of the Father. Who is a lia but... He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son dos not ave the FAther either he who acknowldges the Son has the Father also. ... and baptized them in the name of the FAther, of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.. is enough
it is not logiccommonsense Jesus praying to the Father being himself. It is not logic commonsense to use a video to say Jesus is at the right hand of the father means not Jesus is at the right hand of the Father but other thing, there is not commonsense is many things of your theology that contradicts many sentences of the bible,and then you say flesh and blood can´t reveal it unto him. sounds funny. Is not sufficient with the revelation of the mistery of the Father and of the Son as Paul says?
how can u post this when u try to sale a trinity? there is no common sense/logic in it, nor scripture. it was stated that Yah'shua's flesh was not the Father. The flesh prayed to the Father. u make an image of the Father other than Yah'shua Jesus contradicting Heb 1:3 (kjv or new?). u make a idol of the Father to place Him at right side. Learn Hebrew cultutre/family to learn the meaning of the right hand.
see, here we go ... based on your preconceived notion of a trinity or seperation, the "proper" translation in your opinion has to deny what is so obviously stated in Isa 9:6. otherwise you are wrong, so it can't mean what it says.
Please note that the early Church had no "new" testament. Of course, that there is no scripture for a trinity title probably doesn't hold in that case. Cant have it both ways. Isa 9:6 list the title of Everlasting Father to a child/son. How can u not see?
Sith, my believe in the trinity comes from understanding the context of scripture. Just like the original Greek in many cases can change the meaning of a text, the same goes with the original Hebrew. And by the way, the early church used the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the OT. Not that that matters, as I really dont understand your argument there. It is interesting that Mr Steve himself has not commented back to me regarding the original Hebrew on 9:6. Just an interesting note.
by early church i mean first century. r u suggesting that the jews used the septuagint in this operiod? surely not. your beleif in the trinity forces a particular translation/contextual perspective. it simply is not scriptural. there is nothing u can post about it that will stand. i've heard them all and can show all the supposed trinity arguments false. anyway, i posted the original hebrew for everlasting Father. interesting u havn't responded. Again, always existed = can't have a Father.
The "original Hebrew" is just your excuse for changing the word of God. You can claim it means anything and most people would say okay because they don't know Hebrew. If you're not using the Masoretic Hebrew text, you're using a corrupt Hebrew text. The right one says "The everlasting Father". Quit playing translation merry go round.
They are strictly titles... and not specific names given to Christ to express his deity. If the son is the father then he prayed to himself and called himself his own father and his own son. It's impossible to say that Jesus, not the father but the son who walked this earth, is the same perosn as the father.
God doesn't contradict common sense. You can't even prove where Isaiah 9:6 was fulfilled... how can you expect to prove Jesus is his own son and father?
hello mr Kingjamesvideo. At 3:40 you say that the KJV has it right saying He is "The eternal Father." I have NO problem with that translation. But there is something important you are not telling your listeners. The OT was written in Hebrew and a little Aramaic. Your KJV is also a translation from the orginal manuscripts, just like ours. You have an ENGLISH translation Steve. Why not tell people what this verse says in the Original Hebrew text?
A Trinitarian is one who believes: God is One in three persons; God reveals himself in three persons, but yet is still only One God. The Onenesses believe that it was God the Father who literally was: the Father, the Holy Spirit and the Son, thus always remaining One God; Modalism. The Bible states that Jesus is the Christ, God's servant. According to scripture God dwelt in Christ, but there is not support for Jesus being God. God is not a Human, he is spirit; thus why no one has seen him.
I know who God is. I know that he is a unity, which you deny. What it comes down to is this. You can't refute the Hebrew Language in which God decided to call himself a Unity. For GOd to call himself a Unity matches up so well with the Hebrew word Elohim = Gods. It matches of up with GOd says in "Our" image, Let "us" create man. It matches up with the "word of God" walkin in the Garden. You say the word is not a person, the bible says this world walked.
I notice the TR does not say THE everlasting Father. There is no article.
October31st1517 3 weeks ago
Keep it up Steve. You have been a big help to me. I offer a suggestion to whoever is in unbelief about Jesus being the Everlasting Father, and this is in love brothers, I'm not looking for debate. Check out John 8:24-27 Put yourself in the context and reckon whether or not you are siding with Jesus in these passages, or the pharisees.
Notice who He says He is in verse 8:58. That's an emphatic statement.
swenmanwwjd 2 years ago
There are many verses suggesting seperate persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit... while there are other verses suggesting all are One. John 14 tells me that Jesus is the Father and the Holy Spirit.
samtorrance5590 2 years ago
In various ways has the devil rivalled and resisted the truth. Sometimes his aim has been to destroy the truth by defending it. He maintains that there is one only Lord, the Almighty Creator of the world, in order that out of this doctrine of the unity he may fabricate a heresy. He says that the Father Himself came down into the Virgin, was Himself born of her, Himself suffered, indeed was Himself Jesus Christ.
Tertullian, Against Praxeus, Chapter 1 circa 207 AD.
msm1876 2 years ago
1 Thess. 4:8
He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us HIS holy Spirit.
1 Corinth. 2:10-11
But God hath revealed them unto us by HIS Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
... even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
.and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Matt. 3:15-7
snnicky 2 years ago
Amen, KingJamesMan the translation of the King James Bible 1611 also known as the Authorized Version is the only successful translation into english from the original Hebrew, Armaic, and Greek text. Flesh and bone didn't reveal that truth concerning Jesus Christ. It was the "Spirit of Christ" that revealed that truth concerning Jesus' true and proper divinity. As the Godhead being Him. It's refreshing to see that the Lord Jesus has revealed this same truth to you as He has me as well. Amen!
Oneman24withChrist 2 years ago
I and the father are one... lol what should he tells u again to beleive he is God. If the father is God then he is also lol.... They are blind spiritually if someone can't accept the fact
lovecarlaa18 2 years ago
Yeshua(Jesus) is the Alpha and Omega the First and the Last. in the book Isaiah the First and the Last said that there is no other God. in the New Testament Jesus who is the Alpha and Omega said that the Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD none else so if Jesus is the Alpha and Omega then according to his deity he is GOD THE FATHER(THE LIVING WORD)
the Word of Life does refer to the life of GOD in other words the Holy Ghost.
usgitmo38 2 years ago
to back you isa. 9"6 and God himself said he would personally give us a sign and that sign he would do himself was that a virgin would be born and his name shall be GOD (not his son) with us because God is a Spirit amen you are spot on!! have you learned of the Lords sabbath day? love ya have a great day!!!
kiiyo1 2 years ago
Your a husband,Father,Teacher,Counselor yet your one person and you have one name..and no one gets confused over that..but for some reason they do about God..
OnlyTheScriptures 2 years ago
kcwmjb i have yet to see you use scripture yet you critique and say hes not .although he is using much scripture who cares what has been taught over 500 years the word is eternal and it doesnt change.
slavell19 2 years ago
Thanks slavell19. At least someone can see that dwaynesweatman1988 is just running his mouth in all directions but not saying anything.
KingJamesVideoMan 2 years ago
One reason I repeat it is that most of you want to change the verse as it reads. Most of you cannot deal with the fact that Jesus is called "The everlasting Father" (there, I repeated it again!). Changing that scripture is just your way of hiding from it. I don't know if you change it personally, but I suspect you do.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
"Jesus is called "The everlasting Father""
He was called all sorts of things,
not all of them true...
Imaginefree69 3 years ago
You change what WORD means for your approval which has no biblical, exegetical, contextual, historical, or lingual support. Then you condemn the person with more scriptual and lingual support, than you by saying they change what father means, which can be proved in hebrew? You reason in circles and hardly fully answer anything, Yet you bash calvinism, almost any MINOR calvinistic scholar would school you in anything theological. You should have repented since 94, but you remain blind sir.
dwaynesweatman1988 3 years ago
Please see my article on my other site about Hebrews 1. It should answer your question rather easily.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
You're calling me "hostile" and you say I worship idols of the KJV and myself. My, my, my. If that's your lovingkindness, I'll pass. If you don't like my teaching, then go on down the road. I'm sure you'll find a church on every corner that would oblige your teachings.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
KJVM it is difficult to see such heretical lies so boldly and unscripturally defended as the truth and say nothing. You did not answer the question which seems to be a pattern for you. Sure I said you worship the idol of the KJV-only crowd because you make that translation out to be far more "holy" than other equally true and valuable translations like the ASV, NASB, Geneva to name just a few. Your "oneness" theology falls on its face at Gethsemane - why would Son pray "himself"?
kcwmjb 3 years ago
It seems KJVM that you like very much to imagine yourself as a studied teacher what with all the videos that you have assailing some of the most influential leaders in the past 500 years of Christianity with your attacking Calvinism, the Trinity, etc.... You have rarely responded to your critics with scripture but find it satisfactory to level charges against them and pick out of the comments anything that will enable you to not deal with Scripture, such is the method of a false teacher Steve.
kcwmjb 3 years ago
You want to lecture me on the Bible? Maybe you're more qualified to lecture me on Pink Floyd, Peter Frampton, and other worldly musicians you give honor to on your site. I'm blinded by my idols? Please. Your idols are on your YouTube sight in front of the whole world. When I see stuff like that, I don't even take you seriously. Run along now.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
Again Steve you go to something other than what accords with the Scriptures you are in violation of when you proclaim idiotic ideas like you anti-Calvinistic nonsense, your anti-Trinity simplicities which are so nonsensical it causes one to wonder if there is any light in your world. Why did Jesus in Gethsemane pray to the Father if He was the Father? You have a tendency to take passages of Scripture way out of context and exclusive of many other texts that provide clarity and comprehension.
kcwmjb 3 years ago
Why does Jesus pray to the Father if he is the Father? Very simple. The same reason and the same analogy could be used for Jesus being God. Why does God pray to God if Jesus is God and the Father is God? Even you believe that. My argument is no different. The Father in flesh is praying to the Father's Spirit. God in flesh is praying to God's Spirit. Why is it thought a thing incredible with you that God in flesh can pray to God in Spirit, or the Father in flesh to the Father in Spirit?
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God. Jn 1:1 He was in the beginning with God. v.2 Why the differentiation Steve? If your premise is correct there is absolutely no reason for v. 2 nor the focal point of v.1 that the Word was with God in the beginning. Your idea isn't even cohesive because so many Scriptures shred it to bits in contextual understanding. Such as Jesus baptism where all 3 are co-existant and distinct for many to experience. Lost in a verse.
kcwmjb 3 years ago
Why don't you just reply biblically like you admonish me and deal with the biblical argument I made that 1 john 1:1-2 gives the definition of the phrase "the Word" since it is used in both passages by the same author in the same similar verse. "The Word" means the life of God as defined in 1 John 1:-1-2. God's life is not a separate person, so the Word isn't either. Touche.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
Wow aren't you full of yourself. Though your effort to explain away John 1:1-2 by a convoluted interpretation of 1 John 1:1,2 it clearly says the Word was WITH THE FATHER, how do they in a "oneness" theological view coexist? This is utterly pointless Steve as your effort to establish your heresy is going nowhere. You can't just take parts of a passage, you have to read and understand it in the context of the whole passage.
kcwmjb 3 years ago
Yes, 1 John 1 says the word "was with the Father." To be exact, it says "that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifest to us." What was with the Father???--"that eternal life". So what was "with God" was God's eternal life, not some second person of a concocted 3 person Babylonian/Catholic Trinity. It was the life which was manifest according to 1 John. Readddddddddd.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
This is perposterous! He pushes KJV onlyism and then says WORD means something different! ETERNAL LIFE IS THE WORD "WORD"?!? NOT ONE TRANSLATION SAYS ETERNAL LIFE. The word is LOGOS. It has absolutely NO reference to "eternal life." You push the the KJV is the PERFECT word of God when calvinists give proper interpretations of Greek words(Pas anyone? lol). And then you have authority to say that the KJV is wrong and so is the greek manuscripts and the previous Bibles with "WORD"? GET CONSISTENT.
dwaynesweatman1988 3 years ago
You have no idea how to define words biblically. You compare scripture with scripture. Scripture defines itself. 1 John 1:2 defines John 1:1. "The Word" means "that eternal life". It can't be clearer. All your sophistry and attempts at intimidating me with your philosophical, scholarly tripe won't work.
KingJamesVideoMan 2 years ago
Comparing Scripture with Scripture...you mean like Exodus 3:14 and John 8:58? Well, we won't go there because it doesn't support your presuppositions.
Anakrino 2 years ago
i completely agree with you, there is ONLY ONE GOD, THE FATHER
COGICOFMISSISSIPPI 2 years ago
Why then KJVM would God's word say in Genesis 1:26-27 "Let US make man in OUR OWN image, after our likeness"? Your KJ (IDOL) version even then goes on to finish the thought in the singular God. Clearly Steve you are again too blinded by your idols, the KJV, the battle against God's Sovereignty in Salvation, the idols of viewing yourself as a worthy teacher of doctrine and attacking those with whom you disagree with such hostility and blindness that it boggles the mind to understand your pursuit.
kcwmjb 3 years ago
Isaiah 9:6 (King James Version) 6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
The Son is God; The Father is God; The Holy Spirit is God.
Yet the Father is NOT the Son; The Son is NOT the Holy Spirit: The Holy Spirit is NOt the Father.
They are all seperate; but still God.
TheLORDismySheperd1 3 years ago
I don't remember the word "separate" used in reference to God. Maybe you're confusing the "separate but equal" doctrine of politics with religion.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
YAHWEH is the Father , the Word, and the Holy Ghost. Yahweh is all three but One. But when he appeared unto John in revelation he identified himself as Jesus the Messiah. Even stephen called in Acts chapter 7 called GOD "Lord Jesus". in the OLd testament his Name is Yahweh but in the New testament his name is Jesus(Yashua) GOD is an absolue "1". not 3 seperate poeple ezekial,Daniel,and john saw a manifestation of God as ONE on the throne. Jesus(Yashua) is the Fulness of the GodHead manifest.
usgitmo38 3 years ago
You are right usgitmo38. God is one person who can be in heaven and on earth and still be one person. You should subscribe.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
John 8:54
Jesus replied, "If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me.
adamclark1972uk 3 years ago
oneness is not a biblical word, Jesus is the Father is not a biblical sentence, the Father died on the cross is a theological error, we is a "singular pronoun" is a grammatical error, Jesus prayed to himself is´nt logical, the Father spoke to his son but it was not like that is other of your disrespectful interpretations, etc. etc. etc. So, oneness say that they have the perfect doctrine and understandig of the bible, enough to say all the other christians and true believers are lost?
yesGodknows 3 years ago
I don't use the word "oneness" or at least try not to. I never said Jesus is the Father is a "biblical sentence." The Father dying on the cross maybe theological error to you, but I could care less what "theology" teaches. I never said "we" is a singular pronoun. Jesus praying to himself may not be logical, but if you were a man who also was an omnipresent spirit, your logic would disappear. Any "Christians" that worship a false Jesus are not Christians.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
yes, we must worship the true Jesus, the Son of God. He who gives honor to the Son, gives honor to the Father who sent him. Word of God.
yesGodknows 3 years ago
Brother you have truly blessed my spirit, if there are any barriers that the devil is putting up against you i pray that they not only be brought down but be destroyed because you really are helping many people tremendously!
saxyfajitas 3 years ago
Thank you. I expect great opposition, for most of the church world is blind to many things including who Jesus is. All they know is what they're taught by their seminaries and pastors. The few that know differently are persecuted and that is expected.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
Great video. I look forward to watching more.
The scriptures really do speak for themselves.
donnie10671 3 years ago
Great video, I look forward to watching more.
The scriptures really do speak for themselves.
donnie10671 3 years ago
Jesus goes thru various titles as the ages progress. In the time of the gentiles Jesus is head over the church and our High Priest.
Heb 2:17, 3:1, 4:14, 5:10, 6:20, 7:26 and 9:11. He is also a prince to the world Acts 3:15, 5:31, Rev 1:5 At the close of the time of gentiles, HE resurrects HIS saints as a king with one crown Rev 14:14. After the marriage supper with the saints on the sea of glass in the 1st heaven HE returns as Kings of Kings with many crowns Rev 19:12, 19:16, 17:14
Bless you
ChurchofGOD7thDay 3 years ago
Thanks for posting your video. Is. 9:6 speaks of a future coming son, who would become the everlasting FATHER. This is fulfilled in Acts 2:36 GOD made our crucified Jesus LORD & CHrist. Also Eph 1:10-33, Phil 2:6-11, Col 1:15-19
Bless you
Bro Ken
ChurchofGOD7thDay 3 years ago
Jesus is not the Father but he is co-eternal with the Father. Jesus is God the Son not God the Father
Calvinistfromtexas 3 years ago
So he's God the second God, not God the first God?
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
No I did not say that. They are not 2 Gods. 1 God but different persons. Why do you make it out as polythesim?
Calvinistfromtexas 3 years ago
Well Calvin it seems to be polytheism because if God is a UNIFIED One and not a NUMBERICAL One, then why get offended when we say that God is numerically ONE? What I don't understand is how God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are separate PERSONS, but they are only One the same way that a man and his wife are one, yet not be 3 Gods. The last time i checked my wife and I are one flesh, but two separate and distict persons. Please help me understand
authentic76 3 years ago
also there is another interesting verse
1st verse of John 14, jesus says : " Trust in God; trust also in me", There are 2 different persons.
the problem is that you might try to teach these verses that Jesus is one because jesus said
I and the father are one, if you have a bag ground of their language , you will know that it is a metaphor that they are one in purpose
like the jews are called Ye are gods in the bible
that doesn't mean they are gods, metaphors all around the place
kingsoliman85 3 years ago
I will let jesus disprove that he is not the father
John 12 44Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 49For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
PROOF DONE
X D
kingsoliman85 3 years ago
kingsoliman85, that very verse you use is one I use to show Jesus is the Father. Jesus said when you believe on him, you are believing on the one who sent him. So then, believing in Jesus is also believing on the one who sent him, and the only way that can be possible is for both to be the same person; otherwise, believing on one is NOT believing on the other. If they are separate persons, believing on one is NOT believing on the other, yet Jesus said it is.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
i will let jesus answer you again
For example Jesus clearly says to Mary from Magdala in John 20.17:
" do not hold on to me, go instead to my brothers, my disciples and tell them, I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."
he is saying that his father is his god, who is the same as mary's god
kingsoliman85 3 years ago
"If they are separate persons, believing on one is NOT believing on the other."
They are one in purpose, you can not say i believe in god but i dont believe in jesus because jesus says
John 12
49For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
so you can not deny jesus because his words come from god, and you can't believe just in jesus because he tells us what he says is from god and not from him
kingsoliman85 3 years ago
thanks for sounding like a full blown idiot.
Jesus said He is not the Father. Don't use psychobabble to try to change the very simple point that He is making
thenegrochristian 3 years ago
This just proves that Jesus is co-eternal with the Father. If you believe Jesus you are believing the Father because they are part of the same GODHEAD.
Calvinistfromtexas 3 years ago
kingsoliman, so according to trinitarian doctrine, we would conclude that God the Son is soborinate to God the Father. If so be the case then you can't make the claim that they are co-equal, correct? which one is it are they co-equal or not? please explain.
authentic76 3 years ago
I slightly disagree with you.
Trinitarians believe there are 3 persons, yes. But there are the same being: God.
We could interprete this passage like this: Jesus Christ will be born, he is God: the son, the father and the holy spirit.
In the trinitarian view, every single person in the trinity is fully god, so the son is also the father and the father is also the son.
All the trinity does is calling the 3 aspects of god (father, son, holy spirit) different persons, but the same being.
Deliratio 3 years ago
Well Deliratio, I likewise slightly disagree with you. Most people i know that support the trinity insist that the Godhead consists of 3 seperate entities. Implying that the Father didn't create the heavens and the earth, but ONLY the Son. A theory which the scriptures clearly does not support. Where you and I disagree is the theory that their are 3 persons in the Godhead. From what i understand there is one person (Heb. 1:3,Col. 1:15-17)...
authentic76 3 years ago
...As much as I hear people teach that there are 3 seperate persons in the Godhead. I have never read any such thing in the scriptures. Now i do agree that there are different ways that God reveals himself to mandkind, but his Spirit or Word is no more a distinct person from Himself then a man and his own spirit (1 Corinthians 2:10-11). Think about it.
authentic76 3 years ago
The case is only closed if you would admit that you believe in atleast TWO GODS. And if you do in fact believe in TWO GODS, then since the Holy Spirit is God - not the Son, not the Father; then that would make him a third God, correct?
authentic76 3 years ago
what does mean for you the pronoun we, or the word both, or us, or three?
yesGodknows 3 years ago
What is the problem with the oneness?. If I´m baptized in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, I´m baptized as Jesus said, it is enough, was Jesus commandment. I feel very well, it is, complete, doing Jesus will and acomplishing Jesus word, and by the way, believing like Jesus said, in the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. These three are one as Jhon said.
yesGodknows 3 years ago
Every time I see or hear someone getting baptized in the name of The Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. I start to think to myself.... OK what is the name?
Because none of the above was a name. The Father is not a name - Yahuah is! The Son is not a name - Yahushua is! And the Holy Ghost is not a name either.
We really do only have One God!
Isa 43:11 I, I am YHWH, and besides Me there is no saviour.
YHWH is the Name of The Father, and who is the Saviour?
Ammyai 3 years ago
Weldon Steve, you are doing a good job. Keep it up. GOD ALMIGHTY never HIMSELF said that there awe THREE PERSONS in HIM. The Christian trinitarian idolatry is very deep rooted. This is the clear cut other Gospel because it associates other Gods with Jehova the Father. The Trinity is an ironic belief b/c in trinity God the Son and God the Holy Spirit have a God, God the Father. God the Son and God the Holy Spirit seem to be brothers or brother-sister. Simply A God cannot have a God. Aftab
aftab62pk 3 years ago
I´m inviting everybody to make his own research in Bible. I made one, and I found more than 501 texts-sentenses in NT where Jesus recognizes the difference between He and his Father, or the apostles make this same difference. Just in NT more than 501. For me that is enough, I hope the same for everybody. NT never says what oneness strongly affirm, something like Jesus is the Father, or that Jesus was praying to himself, remember, more than 501, make your own research, you will find it. GBY
yesGodknows 3 years ago
501 eh? I bet you can't find one, just one, that God is three PERSONS. I bet you can't find one, just one verse, that uses the word "persons" in reference to God. Father and Son does not prove two persons,especially when the Father is the Spirit of God and the Son is his flesh. You have a spirit and flesh and are one person and are in his image.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
in Hebrews 2:13 is clear why Jesus is called father, and it is because his Father gave him sons, have you not read that?, haven´t you. Jesus never ask his disciples call him "father". You should make your research like me.
yesGodknows 3 years ago
what does mean for you the pronoun we, or the word both, or us, or three
yesGodknows 3 years ago
KJVMan, maybe you've answered this elsewhere but I wonder how you read John 17:5. To whom is Jesus speaking? The many times Jesus speaks to the Father, is he being Schizophrenic? That is not intended sarcastically. These are honest Q's.
LuthAMF 3 years ago
KJVM, here lets see:
JN 14: 8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
How much clearer does it need to be. So now, as you put it "You have one stupid Jesus" contradicting himself. One minute he's saying that he's part of a trinity but later on he's saying that he's the Father
authentic76 3 years ago
"And his name shall be called...
The everlasting Father"The everlasting Father"The everlasting Father"The everlasting Father"The everlasting Father"The everlasting Father"The everlasting Father"The everlasting Father"The everlasting Father"The everlasting Father"The everlasting Father"The everlasting Father"The everlasting Father"The everlasting Father"The everlasting Father"The everlasting Father"The everlasting Father"The everlasting Father"The everlasting Father"
Is that clear enough for you
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
no it's not!
Im a father myself and Ihave a father but because we are both called father dos'nt make us the same person.
xu1997 3 years ago
Yes, but you yourself at the same time can be a father and a son and the same person. So your example is irrelevant.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
Yes but just because 2 people are called Father dosn't make them the same person!
So your big point about jesus being called the everlasting father does not proove the trinity.
Is that clear enough for you?
xu1997 3 years ago
"Yes, but you yourself at the same time can be a father and a son and the same person."
Very true but, can the Son be his own Father, or the Father his Own Son at the same time?
acerimmeh 3 years ago
...lol, so Jesus "God the Son" is our Father, and "God the Father" is our Grandfather. Ok i get it...absurd, but i get it.
authentic76 3 years ago
Is the word Modalism in the Bible, either?
JesusFollower38 3 years ago
I'm rather perplexed about this. KingJamesMan is flatly stating Calvinism is heresy from which God "delivered" him, yet has embraced a heresy himself: Modalism.
LuthAMF 3 years ago
How sad that believing in Jesus Christ as your only saviour and God is branded as "Modalism." The disciples were first called "Christians" in Antioch (Acts). I didn't read anything about any "Trinitarians," and please don't argue back with that lame response "Just because a word is not in the Bible doesn't mean it's wrong." No, it just means you made it up and can't make me subscribe to it. "Christians" means a follower of Christ Jesus. You can re-label that if you like, but scripture doesn't.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
follower of the Son of God, cause he is the way to the Father. My Lord jesus said: go, make disciples, and baptis them in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. He himself makes difference between Father and Son, and Son and Holy Ghost.
yesGodknows 3 years ago
I have not said any such thing. Of course belief in Christ as Savior is necessary.
And I would request that you allow me to argue for myself instead of putting words in my mouth to suit your own argument. The fact remains that you have embraced a view regarding the Person, Nature and work of Christ that is not substantiated by Scripture and historical Orthodoxy.
Who is your hero of this view, Anthony Buzzard?
LuthAMF 3 years ago
Can someone please focus on the video?
If the Trinity is true then just refute the interpretation of the video. If you can't do it with scripture then you really shouldn't be talking.
We have one mouth and two ears for a reason- Listen.
BrotherMurray 3 years ago
Yes, that is true, but Scripture does not tell us we sin with our ears. We sin with our mouths. When a man speaks error and I hear it, who has sinned?
LuthAMF 3 years ago
LuthAMF, let me help you out buddy.
Isaiah 45:21 "Declare and set forth your case; Indeed, let them consult together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has long since declared it? Is it not I, the LORD? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me.
Isaiah 43:3 "For I am the LORD your God, The Holy One of Israel, your Savior; I have given Egypt as your ransom, Cush and Seba in your place.
authentic76 3 years ago
Isaiah 44:6 "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.
Hosea 13:4 "Yet I have been the LORD your God Since the land of Egypt; And you were not to know any god except Me, For there is no savior besides Me."
Interesting LuthAMF, that (Jehovah, Yahweh, Elohim) of the O.T. is saying that he's the Savior. So would you say that there are 2 Saviors (God the Son, and God the Father)?
authentic76 3 years ago
Alright, well here's what I've come up with: Joh 1:18 says that nobody's ever seen God. If somebody HAS seen the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, then what is this referring to?
Also, Jesus says: "And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven." (Luke 12:10). If the Son of Man (Jesus) and the Holy Ghost are the same person than what does this mean?
JesusFollower38 3 years ago
The reason 1 can be forgiven for speaking against the son of man is 'cos he's not here to condemn man but to save man. To speak blasphemy against the HG as the pharisees did: Mar 3:30 'Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.' Is the 1 sin that can never be forgiven in this world or the next. They spoke against God himself by calling him something he is not.
RinnEgade 3 years ago
Jesus is eternal father, but not THE eternal father. The Heberew word used here is 'ad. This doesn't mean 'the eternal,' it means 'eternal.' The King James Bible is NOT the only correct translation. It is a good translation, but, again, NOT a perfect translation.
JesusFollower38 3 years ago
Jesus Follower, are you suggesting then that we have TWO Fathers? Furthermore, I don't really see the difference between the titles "the eternal" and "eternal", the way i understand it, they are exactly the same. Your commentary is throwing me. Please explain.
authentic76 3 years ago
"Jesus, as MAN died. However, He existed AS GOD OUTSIDE OF THE BODY." First of all, this is a true statement..However,my question to you is, how did Jesus exist as God outside of the human body? Please explain.
authentic76 3 years ago
as the word. Jn 1,1-2.".. the Word was with God,... He was with God in the beginning." Biblical quotation. and Jhn 17:5 "And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began" biblical quotation. If you accept this biblical quotation you will understand that Jesus was before the creation of the world as the Word with the Father. <open your mind.
yesGodknows 3 years ago
no my mind is very much opened YGK. See its the way that we interpret these passages that makes all the difference. John chapter 1-2, is simply stating that the Word was with God and was God. The scriptures also say that there is one God the Father. As we believe it-if there is ONE God and the Word was God, then the Word is not a separate being or person outside of that One God. The same way a man's word can be with him, yet we don't say that its a separate person.
authentic76 3 years ago
Maranatha, if you believe that Jesus is God, then how is it that God gave Jesus the things mentioned in the book... Again, isn't Jesus God? Think about that question.. Furthermore, the common error for trinitarians is that when you see in the Bible Father and Son, you automatically assume there is a separation. Very seldom do i find those that admit that it speaks to a DISTINCTION, as opposed to a separation of persons or Gods.
authentic76 3 years ago
Well put authentic76. You ought to subscribe. I could use some more soldiers to fight the good fight.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
i will subscribe sir.. it will be my honor.
authentic76 3 years ago
This is a very clear and concise Biblical explanation of Jesus Christ's diety.
Thanks for posting your discourse. No wonder you drive the trinitarians mad. You make sense!
RevJTWheeler 3 years ago
We don't get mad. We can't make sense of how you believe as you do. If anyone is seeking God in his heart, the Holy spirit will teach him the true Gospel. I was raised in the church and I saw a lot of things that something in me questioned. I thought I had the true knowledge of God. I got out of a church that allowed false preachers to come and speak. God ways is above our ways of finding out. I only want to know what the scriptures say.
drl15son 3 years ago
MaranathaLordJesus. The NT doesn't say that. It says Jesus is the creator. Peter said the Spirit that moved on the OT prophets was Jesus. God is one. Not some social club like the Kiwanis. Read Zechariah 14:9 And in that day, the Lord (Jesus) shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be, the Lord is ONE and HIS NAME ONE. Read your bible, leave traditions of men behind.
longtalltexan63 3 years ago
This KingJamesVideoMan teaches another Jesus. It's blaspime to say Jesus is the Father. How can Jesus be His own Father? God is love. Of all the Oneness people I have talked to, not one has ever said 'I love you with the love of Christ or end their message with God bless.' Their 'free will' will never accept correction. I know many Oneness people, and sad to say, they are not saved. A false Jesus can't save you. Oneness is an early Church heresy that's back to decieve again.
God bless,
drl15son 3 years ago
No it isn't your just scripturally ignorant and duped by old Roman Catholic tradition. Isaiah 9:6 says the Messiah is the everlasting Father. Well for goodness sakes, how many Fathers do we have? Jesus said, if you've seen me, YOU'VE SEEN THE FATHER. You mix up Spirit and flesh. The humanity of Christ and his deity. Show me where Moses or the Prophets taught that God was a triune God? It comes from Babylonian and Egyptian paganism. Look it up, quit believing your man made tradition. OKAY?
longtalltexan63 3 years ago
Why are you sounding mad? Read Genesis 18:1-3. Three men were standing before Abraham and he called them Lord, singular. Study Deuteronomy 6:4 and find out what the Hebrew meaning of the word 'one' is. Can you reply with the love of Christ?
God bless,
drl15son 3 years ago
I'm not mad at all, nothing to be mad about.
You can't be serious? The three messengers from God was the trinity? HAAAAAA HAAAAAA HAAAAAA Come on! Sir, they were messengers of God. NO MAN HAS EVER SEEN GOD. That's scripture. These three men were not God. God is one. Hear O Israel the Lord our God is one Lord. The Word is ECHAD, it means one. It can mean plural as far but that is as far as attributes go. Do you count in Hebrew I can. It means one.
longtalltexan63 3 years ago
Echad means a compound unity. I never said the three men were God or the trinity. It shows that Abraham saw the three as one. If no man has ever seen God and you say God and Jesus are the same persons, then that verse is a lie. Scripture doesn't contradict scripture. God can not lie. I hear everything you say, however, scripture doesn't back it up. I get a different picture when I read the Bible. God is a Spirit and I am sure He would not use bad grammar in explaining who He is.
drl15son 3 years ago
And read up on your Hebrew. It's the word they use for the number ONE. It's how they count, just like we say one, two three. Just because Abraham said Lord to three beings does NOT IN ANY way mean that he meant God was three in one. God can manifest himself 1000 different ways, but is he 1000 different Gods? Read Zechariah 14:9 and tell me what you think. Paul said Jehovah was manifest in the flesh. You people forget that the bible is a Jewish written book, anything but oneness is heresy to them
longtalltexan63 3 years ago
you mix everything to explain your doctrine. Bible teaches. There is one God. There are three that bear record on heaven: the Father, the Word and the Spirit, but they are not three gods. Though there is distintion of persons there is just one God. I´m monotheistic.
yesGodknows 3 years ago
God cannot be three separate and distinct persons and not be three gods. This comes from Babylonian paganism. It and many other things were adopted into the church by church pagans to bring the pagans to church. Phil 1, 1 Peter 1, Romans 8 all say the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Jesus. Read the chapters.
I am a former trinitarian, but with no concordances, no help from anyone, just reading my bible, I came to the conclusion that God is one.
longtalltexan63 3 years ago
you came to the conclusion that God is One. me too. It is biblical conclusion, it is what christians believe everywhere.
I did read my bible and found more than 501 sentences-texts where the Father is distinct of the Son. I made this research without help of anybody, just reading my
yesGodknows 3 years ago
drl15, please explain how the trinity is not a doctrine of 3 Gods if:
1. the Godhead is made up of 3 DISTINCT persons.
2. if the Oneness of God according to Duet. 6:4 is not a numerical oneness but only unified.
authentic76 3 years ago
Really, Matthew says baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Why did the Apostles in Acts 2, 8, 10, 19 all baptize ONLY in Jesus Name? Because in Matthew, he spoke only in the singular. NAME OF. And Father Son and Holy Ghost aren't names they are titles of the one true God. Jesus is the Name. Acts proves it.
longtalltexan63 3 years ago
Blaspheme! God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are not titles. Read all of the 4 Gospels.
God bless,
drl15son 3 years ago
Not one verse says "God the Holy Ghost or God the Son. Those come from fourth century paganism. The doctrine was not adopted by the church until around 325. How come Moses or the prophets didn't teach it? How come four times in the NT the Holy Spirit is called the Spirit of Christ? How can the Holy Ghost be a separate third person and yet, be called the Spirit of Jesus? How is it the Holy Ghost overshadowed Mary, but you say the Father is the Father of Jesus? God is one, that's the answer.
longtalltexan63 3 years ago
BUT, Jesus is the Father manifest in a fleshly tabernacle...Jesus said this himself. "IF YOU HAVE SEEN ME, YOU HAVE SEEN THE FATHER." Isaiah 9:6 says that he is the EVERLASTING FATHER. There can't be two fathers. 1 Timothy 3:16 says that God (our Father) was manifest in the flesh. The trinity wasn't even accepted by the church, until the fourth century. That along with much other paganism items.
longtalltexan63 3 years ago
You can search from Genesis to Revelation, you'll only find ONE GOD.
John 1:14- And the WORD was MADE Flesh and dwelt among us...
1st Timothy 3:16- And without Contraversy, great is the mystery of godliness. God was Manifest in FLESH...
rickyhurtado 3 years ago
"Face to face" with God the Father. Are you teaching that God has two faces or three??? There is no scripture from the King James teaching that trash. That is your false manuscripts, Roman Catholic Vaticanus and Sinaitcus manuscripts that are the basis of Westcott and Hort and others that are behind your New American and New International and all the other trash.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
Jesus said nothing about being "like" the father. He said Philip "hath seen the Father." You changed it and added to it to fit your theology. I did not.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
You can't be serious. But yet you are, and it's kind of funny actually. So God gave Jesus the revelation of who Jesus is????? Jesus doesn't know who he is according to you. He gave the revelation to John. Try again.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
Dearest MaranathaLordJesus,
Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Shouldn't the Lord have said, I am the Trinity, or I am the second person or I am the eternally begotten son or I am God the Son or any other your invented terms?
The God that Paul worshipped, the Old Testament Jewish Pharisee, was Jesus Christ and him only. No one else answered the question "Who art thou, Lord?"
Paul worshipped Jesus only
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
Galatians 4:4: But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, "MADE" of a woman, made under the law
God sent his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON made of a Woman.
What your saying is that GOD died on the cross. Which is Impossible for God to die.
rickyhurtado 3 years ago
Are you aware of the fact that throughout Scottish history, there were sons of kings who were kings at the same time their fathers were kings? Jesus is King of Kings becuase Kings on earth will be judged by him and of course he rules his Church. But his Father is King over all of Heaven Host, including Christ's Kingdom.
Matthew 26:53. "Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels?
quabot 3 years ago
Oh, I guess I'm not a "Trinitarian" because I have no problem reconciling the Everlasting Father of Isaiah 9:6 with Hebrews 1:5. For to which of the angels did He ever say, "YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"?
And again, "I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME"?
You also overlook the fact that since Isaiah 6:9 is a prophecy, the name Everlasting Father is a future title for the child, like when he grows up and inherits his kingdom and bride, the Church.
quabot 3 years ago
Jesus said Jn 17:5: And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
Is it not enough?
yesGodknows 3 years ago
YesGodknows, Jn 17:5 does it for me definately. However, can you explain (from the Bible) how Jesus had glory with the Father before the world began? A good way to start would be by going over Jn 1:1-18 and Genesis chapters 1 & 2. A clue, with out me giving you too much my interpretation, is that the "WORD" that was spoken to create the world. Check it out for yourself.
authentic76 3 years ago
I have not to explain you how, cause you just must believe what 17:5 says. That is your problem you dont accept the more of 501 texts-sentences in NT that clearly make difference between Father and Son cause you look how to deny them just for defending your theory. this is a real question: Who invented the theory of "Jesus man praying to Jesus God" "Jesus man giving thanks to Jesus God" "Jesus God forgetting to Jesus man" "Jesus God separeted of Jesus man" "Jesus God answering to Jesus man"
yesGodknows 3 years ago
I´m surprised how the people can go deeply with one idea. It is dangerous cause can fall in heresy trying to be teachers
IT IS ENOUGHLY CLEAR FOR ME THE DIFF BTW FATHER AND SON
Jn 17:1-5: Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
yesGodknows 3 years ago
Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
I pray the Lord opens your understandings.
BCJ5297 3 years ago
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Here Everlasting Father means of creation. Jesus being God is the Eternal Father of Creation John 1:1 Thus Jesus is All Mighty God but not the Father nor is HE The Holy Spirit. The Spirit bears witness of Jesus.
BCJ5297 3 years ago
This is irrefutable evidence of the Complex Union of the Divine Nature: Zec 2:8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.
Zec 2:9 For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me.
BCJ5297 3 years ago
The Son in the OT: Do homage to the Son, lest He become angry, and you perish in the way, For His wrath may soon be kindled. How blessed are all who take refuge in Him! (Psalms 2:12)
Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or His Son's name? Surely you know! (Proverbs 30:4)
BCJ5297 3 years ago
The Father in the OT: "Have you not just now called to Me, 'My Father, Thou art the friend of my youth? (Jeremiah 3:4)
"Then I said, 'How I would set you among My sons, And give you a pleasant land, The most beautiful inheritance of the nations!' And I said, 'You shall call Me, My Father, And not turn away from following Me.' (Jeremiah 3:19)
BCJ5297 3 years ago
The Father in the OT: For Thou art our Father, though Abraham does not know us, And Israel does not recognize us. Thou, O LORD, art our Father, Our Redeemer from of old is Thy name. (Isaiah 63:16)
But now, O LORD, Thou art our Father, We are the clay, and Thou our potter; And all of us are the work of Thy hand. (Isaiah 64:8)
BCJ5297 3 years ago
Explain: Do you thus repay the LORD, O foolish and unwise people? Is not He your Father who has bought you? He has made you and established you. (Deuteronomy 32:6)
"He will cry to Me, 'Thou art my Father, My God, and the rock of my salvation.' (Psalms 89:26)
BCJ5297 3 years ago
Explain: Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Exo 6:2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD: Exo 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
BCJ5297 3 years ago
For those who believe Jesus is the Father explain: Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
BCJ5297 3 years ago
Easy, If you read Both Dan 7:13-14 you would see that this is a VISION of something to happen in the future. The "One like the Son of Man" that he saw was given everlasting dominion, Glory, and a Kingdom of all peoples. This, of course doesn't happen until after the resurrection.
authentic76 3 years ago
Praise the Lord! I have enjoyed watching your clips about the various subjects. From some of the posts left by others, many people do not agree with you. Stay strong in the faith. Matt 10:22 Jesus is speaking to His disciples. He says that we shall be hated of all men for His names sake. Praise God for the angry and bitter people who would rather hold onto traditions of men than actually read the Bible for themselves.
Keep up the great work, I enjoy every minute of it.
OneGodPreacher 3 years ago
Praise the Lord! God is good. I enjoy too reading Bible. neither Jesus nor the apostles taught he was the Father, even Jesus didn´t called Son to any of his disciples. I made my own research, and I found more than 501 sentences-texts where Jesus is clearly different person-subject-individual than the Father. You can make your own researh and will be convinced what I am talking about without necesity to hear to one cult or another, but in order to be sure just for Bible.
yesGodknows 3 years ago
YesGodknows, here you go: Jn 14:8-9 'Phillip said to him, "Lord show us the Father, and it is enough for us". Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Phillip? He who has seen Me Has seen the Father, how can you say,'Show us the Father'?
authentic76 3 years ago
The only passages where NT speaks of Jesus as Father is Hebr 2:8-13. There the writer says.."in bringing many sons to glory,"...and "I will declare your name to my brothers"... and "Here am I, and the children God has given me". It is clear here that the Father gave him sons, for this reason Jesus is father but for the will of the Father, and even Jesus call his disciples as his brothers, cause Jesus said many times, there is just One Father and he is in heaven, my Father(said Jesus) and yours
yesGodknows 3 years ago
neither Jesus nor the apostles taught he was the Father, even Jesus didn´t called Son to any of his disciples. I made my own research, and I found more than 501 sentences-texts where Jesus is clearly different person-subject-individual than the Father. You can make your own researh and will be convinced what I am talking about without necesity to hear to one cult or another.
yesGodknows 3 years ago
There is none other God but One, and His name is Jesus
1kristbwoy 3 years ago
I just believe what Bible says: The FAther sent his son to die on the cross. The Father raised him up. The Son will deliver the kingdom to his Father. The Word was at the begining with God. The Son is at the right hand of the Father. Who is a lia but... He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son dos not ave the FAther either he who acknowldges the Son has the Father also. ... and baptized them in the name of the FAther, of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.. is enough
ttapia20 3 years ago
it was for kingjamesvideoman
yesGodknows 3 years ago
Jesus never called himself "Father"
Jesus never said to one of his disciples "son"
Jesus never said go and preach I am the Father
Apostles never preached Jesus was or is the Father
The Father never said of Jesus "he is me"
the Father always said of Jesus "is my Son"
Jesus said anybody that believes in him is his brother, son of the Father
Jesus is at the right hand of the Father
The Son will deliver the kingdom to the Father
NT says many times "the God and Father of our Lord Jesus", et
yesGodknows 3 years ago
Yah'Shua NEVER called Himself #2 in the godheads, God the son, etc ...
Jeusus said "...seen me see the Father, destroy this TEMPLE and "I" will raise it
Jeuss never said preach a trinity, or triune god/s
The Father said there's no saviour "but ME
and NOONE BESIDE me.
YahShua was Spirit and Flesh. Only the flesh hasd a beginning. The Spirit is Forever and can NOT have a "FATHER" without a beginning.
Logic/common sense 101
SithMage 3 years ago
Thanks SithMage. Sounds good. Flesh and blood can't reveal it unto him.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
it is not logiccommonsense Jesus praying to the Father being himself. It is not logic commonsense to use a video to say Jesus is at the right hand of the father means not Jesus is at the right hand of the Father but other thing, there is not commonsense is many things of your theology that contradicts many sentences of the bible,and then you say flesh and blood can´t reveal it unto him. sounds funny. Is not sufficient with the revelation of the mistery of the Father and of the Son as Paul says?
yesGodknows 3 years ago
how can u post this when u try to sale a trinity? there is no common sense/logic in it, nor scripture. it was stated that Yah'shua's flesh was not the Father. The flesh prayed to the Father. u make an image of the Father other than Yah'shua Jesus contradicting Heb 1:3 (kjv or new?). u make a idol of the Father to place Him at right side. Learn Hebrew cultutre/family to learn the meaning of the right hand.
SithMage 3 years ago
I could use the same sentence for you "Flesh and blood can´t reveal it unto you"
yesGodknows 3 years ago
LOGIC/ COMMON SENSE 101
If somebody doesn´t say "I am the Father" why you try to force people believe He is the Father? I mean something that Jesus didn´t say?
We always say "Jesus is the Son of God" completely right, isn´t it?
Apostles never preached Jesus was the Father of the OT, why you force people to believe something the apostles didn´t teach?
yesGodknows 3 years ago
"The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." Looks like God is trying to make you believe something also.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
see, here we go ... based on your preconceived notion of a trinity or seperation, the "proper" translation in your opinion has to deny what is so obviously stated in Isa 9:6. otherwise you are wrong, so it can't mean what it says.
Please note that the early Church had no "new" testament. Of course, that there is no scripture for a trinity title probably doesn't hold in that case. Cant have it both ways. Isa 9:6 list the title of Everlasting Father to a child/son. How can u not see?
SithMage 3 years ago
Sith, my believe in the trinity comes from understanding the context of scripture. Just like the original Greek in many cases can change the meaning of a text, the same goes with the original Hebrew. And by the way, the early church used the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the OT. Not that that matters, as I really dont understand your argument there. It is interesting that Mr Steve himself has not commented back to me regarding the original Hebrew on 9:6. Just an interesting note.
wuebbsco 3 years ago
by early church i mean first century. r u suggesting that the jews used the septuagint in this operiod? surely not. your beleif in the trinity forces a particular translation/contextual perspective. it simply is not scriptural. there is nothing u can post about it that will stand. i've heard them all and can show all the supposed trinity arguments false. anyway, i posted the original hebrew for everlasting Father. interesting u havn't responded. Again, always existed = can't have a Father.
SithMage 3 years ago
The "original Hebrew" is just your excuse for changing the word of God. You can claim it means anything and most people would say okay because they don't know Hebrew. If you're not using the Masoretic Hebrew text, you're using a corrupt Hebrew text. The right one says "The everlasting Father". Quit playing translation merry go round.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
They are strictly titles... and not specific names given to Christ to express his deity. If the son is the father then he prayed to himself and called himself his own father and his own son. It's impossible to say that Jesus, not the father but the son who walked this earth, is the same perosn as the father.
God doesn't contradict common sense. You can't even prove where Isaiah 9:6 was fulfilled... how can you expect to prove Jesus is his own son and father?
BigRick777 3 years ago
hello mr Kingjamesvideo. At 3:40 you say that the KJV has it right saying He is "The eternal Father." I have NO problem with that translation. But there is something important you are not telling your listeners. The OT was written in Hebrew and a little Aramaic. Your KJV is also a translation from the orginal manuscripts, just like ours. You have an ENGLISH translation Steve. Why not tell people what this verse says in the Original Hebrew text?
Are you aware of the Hebrew text Steve?
wuebbsco 3 years ago
I think I'll say it again becase it bares repeating. :-D
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken;
Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
So my question is, are we not son's of God? :-)
larry1961 3 years ago
A Trinitarian is one who believes: God is One in three persons; God reveals himself in three persons, but yet is still only One God. The Onenesses believe that it was God the Father who literally was: the Father, the Holy Spirit and the Son, thus always remaining One God; Modalism. The Bible states that Jesus is the Christ, God's servant. According to scripture God dwelt in Christ, but there is not support for Jesus being God. God is not a Human, he is spirit; thus why no one has seen him.
DoubtingFaithcom 3 years ago
Wow...guess Rick went to study some more or something lol...
larry1961 3 years ago
Just kidding Rick.
larry1961 3 years ago
No Larry, it was 12:00 at night.
I know who God is. I know that he is a unity, which you deny. What it comes down to is this. You can't refute the Hebrew Language in which God decided to call himself a Unity. For GOd to call himself a Unity matches up so well with the Hebrew word Elohim = Gods. It matches of up with GOd says in "Our" image, Let "us" create man. It matches up with the "word of God" walkin in the Garden. You say the word is not a person, the bible says this world walked.
BigRick777 3 years ago