The wealthy do not downsize and conserve. If we are running out of oil then the wealthy need to live in smaller houses, drive smaller vehicles, park their private jets, and dock their yachts. War needs to stop. Instead of the news speaking of the slave consumption of oil, lets start talking about the wealthy peoples consumption and ways they can conserve.
so do you think it's just a coincidence that just after the sub prime bubble popped last year, all this money started to flood into oil futures market and you started to see the bull market? this has nothing to do with peak of oil, this has everything to do with hedge fund managers saving their asses as risky investment in the real estate market and putting money into commodities.
At the end of the day (actually 30 days for oil futures), someone has to take delivery for that oil. If it was bid up to an unnatural level, you would see a large spread between the ask and the bid when the option matures. Since this is not happening... since people are eagerly taking delivery at the higher price, there is no bubble. Oil really is worth $145 a barrel because someone is buying real oil and taking delivery at that price.
The big run-up from 110 to 147 occurred when some cowboys from Oklahoma (SemGroup L.P.) who were short an obscene number of contracts were short squeezed - forced to buy in. When they were done buying (and bankrupt), the price returned to the 115 range.
You could tell that the money did not "flood into oil futures" on the long side by simply observing that during most of 2007 and part of 08, the market was in backwardation, indicating short supply and/or selling pressure.
Common sense and two government investigations say long side speculation had nothing to do with the run-up in price during '07 and early '08. The market was in backwardation during much of the run-up. That means oil for immediate or near term delivery was cheaper than far term. Buying does not make the good being acquired cheaper! When many of the shorts were squeezed out, the market started returning to contango, and the price dropped back to the 115 range. See the note about SemGroup LP.
Aaarg. I got that bass-ackwards. Oil for immediate delivery was MORE EXPENSIVE than oil for future delivery. That's what backwardation is. Obviously it cannot result from buying pressure in the futures market. Quite the opposite. The shorts got squeezed.
This "idiot" as you call him has been preaching this message for years now ... and it seems that everything he is talking about is coming to pass.
"Demand Destruction" is only a buzz word for "recession". Real demand destruction will occur when we are all scrounging through dumpsters for scraps of food.
That chick is hot!!!
callmebigpapa 3 years ago
The wealthy do not downsize and conserve. If we are running out of oil then the wealthy need to live in smaller houses, drive smaller vehicles, park their private jets, and dock their yachts. War needs to stop. Instead of the news speaking of the slave consumption of oil, lets start talking about the wealthy peoples consumption and ways they can conserve.
ln4359 3 years ago
Matt Simmons is one of the most honest and knowledgeable persons in the oil industry , an idiot he is not
danbuck333 3 years ago 2
Idiot? His net worth is in the 10's of millions.
And yours?
petehuss 3 years ago
so do you think it's just a coincidence that just after the sub prime bubble popped last year, all this money started to flood into oil futures market and you started to see the bull market? this has nothing to do with peak of oil, this has everything to do with hedge fund managers saving their asses as risky investment in the real estate market and putting money into commodities.
talktal 3 years ago
At the end of the day (actually 30 days for oil futures), someone has to take delivery for that oil. If it was bid up to an unnatural level, you would see a large spread between the ask and the bid when the option matures. Since this is not happening... since people are eagerly taking delivery at the higher price, there is no bubble. Oil really is worth $145 a barrel because someone is buying real oil and taking delivery at that price.
petehuss 3 years ago
The big run-up from 110 to 147 occurred when some cowboys from Oklahoma (SemGroup L.P.) who were short an obscene number of contracts were short squeezed - forced to buy in. When they were done buying (and bankrupt), the price returned to the 115 range.
You could tell that the money did not "flood into oil futures" on the long side by simply observing that during most of 2007 and part of 08, the market was in backwardation, indicating short supply and/or selling pressure.
JiveDadson 3 years ago
Common sense and two government investigations say long side speculation had nothing to do with the run-up in price during '07 and early '08. The market was in backwardation during much of the run-up. That means oil for immediate or near term delivery was cheaper than far term. Buying does not make the good being acquired cheaper! When many of the shorts were squeezed out, the market started returning to contango, and the price dropped back to the 115 range. See the note about SemGroup LP.
JiveDadson 3 years ago
Aaarg. I got that bass-ackwards. Oil for immediate delivery was MORE EXPENSIVE than oil for future delivery. That's what backwardation is. Obviously it cannot result from buying pressure in the futures market. Quite the opposite. The shorts got squeezed.
JiveDadson 3 years ago
Theres all sorts of idiots.
novatrek 3 years ago
did this idiot factor in demand deconstruction?
talktal 3 years ago
Yes he did.
ManicEightBall 3 years ago
This "idiot" as you call him has been preaching this message for years now ... and it seems that everything he is talking about is coming to pass.
"Demand Destruction" is only a buzz word for "recession". Real demand destruction will occur when we are all scrounging through dumpsters for scraps of food.
bustermk2 3 years ago 3
M. King Hubbert accurately predicted the peak of oil in the USA ..... so shall the worldwide supplies follow.
callmebigpapa 3 years ago
Get a load of this clown calling a genius an idiot AND his "demand deconstruction." The term is demand DESTRUCTION.
JimboWHO 3 years ago