Taijiquan Applications- analysis of combat usefulness

[FredoFreedom]

Nice!

[lebarosky]

Thank you for posting this is excellent for anyone learning the form.

[ditgodin]

very impressed .. wish we had more of this.

[2peetr]

super taiji

[Amaniel1984]

yeah but isn't it an art to first learn one Taiji form until you can do it blind folded and second come after you have successfully completed your first. That takes years.

[No0031]

poor advertising, including footage where the participants dive away when hit reduces its credibility.

[dekal1]

For those that don't know Tai Chi starts from the ground up. meaning, your root. Your first learn how not to end up on the ground. Working on balance. Then, you learn how to direct strenghth. If you were taught right in Tai Chi, it is pretty much unstoppable if the principles are followed of opening and closing internal and external. All Yin Yang principles. Very thorough art. A lot of bruces lees philsophy seemed to have come from Tai Chi.

[01mrfrank]

hey falconbridge,

you are such a bullshitter. too funny...so you once sparred with a tai chi person who had mastered the art. Shit.. you need to stop watching cartoons..hahahah

[01mrfrank]

you can tell that the commentator promoting his teacher is one of clones of the little master in the blue pyjama suit. Tai chi is fantasy based and not workable at all against a real fighter. Too funny. I remember a conversation between 2 advanced tai chi students arguing that one had touched the other first and that if he had of had his internal power then theoretically the student would be paralyzed( kind of sums up the tai chi mentality)

[Falconbridge9]

@01mrfrank you obviously have never been into fight or at least serious sparing with someone who mastered this Art. I have and not only once, trust me I had very real intentions against him and could not do much. I also saw real situations where Tai-chi was used and in one street brawl it was pretty funny/scary to see one prof. bouncer and friend of his trying to beat down half drunk Tai-chi master and it did not went well for them at all. Go challenge any decent Tai-chi master and you'll see..

[quin88]

Why do people always judge a system or technique on seeing one person demonstrate it.

[01mrfrank]

@quin88

hey little dufus when someone makes a video posing as reprensenting the system and how it operates- the watcher is bound to make observations and conclusions about these demonstrations. most see tai chi for what it is....crapola.

[quin88]

Typical response! tai chi is good for anger management and helping people deal with inner frustrations

[RevenZan]

@01mrfrank find someone who knows real taiji and challenge them to a fight i guarantee you will get your cunt kicked in.

[polariswushudotnet]

@01mrfrank please see mught fight videos at polariswushudotnet so you can see someone like me fighting. yes, i might not be that great, but i have balls to fight. so where you your fight videos mrfrank? i have done Wing chun, boxing, mauy thai, kung fu, i still like Tai chi the best. it was my first martial art and will be my last.

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[ktl2828]

Lets be honest, practice and actual situations are different. This goes for any art. In a practice, there is a mutual cooperation between the two parties. In a real life situation, there is no cooperation so what you learn may not always work. Even if the move do work, it doesn't guarantee that the assailant will stop attacking.

[thekungfuphilosopher]

tai chi is the best fighting style in the universe , the only style with the right philosphy behind it, master chang san feng retired from shaolin only to have nothing to do with kung fu no more,one night he dreamd the yellow emperor(god) was teaching him kung fu and the following day he saw a fight between a snake and a crane go on for 2 hours or more..both animals could not touch each other ..trough flapping the wings and twisting the body ...this was the birth of tai chi boxing.

[killgore333333]

tajiquan isnt meant for fighting it can be applied to fights but its mainly meant to control ones breathing and keep a meditative state while in constant motion, that being said it is by no means weak and a tajiquan practicioner can defend himself

[bit1101]

Amazing!

[faisal277]

wow cloud hand really fast and do i see some yang style..

oh you

[faisal277]

wow some firey comments but eh i dont study taijiquan to beat pple up thats not wat tai chi is for to all the budding pple wanting to kno more about it ignore the violent comments and claims of it being weak its just a soft martial art and is therefore dissed it was actually said that one who holds taijiquan can hold the world and p.s. even tho i said all that tai chi can be used in fights but u have to diligently train for it

[Stringyheads]

Very informative, Thanks

[TheZhongzheng]

excellent video

[Jomammacita]

I would like to learn learn this art, not the Suinday morning in the park mass dance taichi but the "how did I end up on my back" taichi.

Why do so many white kunfu dudes have ponytails or mullets?

Has anyone seen taichi used on the street or in the ring? Especially against a non gungfu guy. On video? Thanks.

[TLMcKinzie5601]

@Jomammacita Have seen used in practical application yes. I will be honest, unless the person using it is a master, and the person watching has a keen eye, the subtler movements will be lost when watching the fight, and the fight comes out looking like a strangely amorphous form of longfist. 

[thekungfuphilosopher]

@Jomammacita nat geographic made a episode calld wudang dragons,in this master wang demostrates his tai chi on a thai boxer ,this is not a real fight but you can see who would win...most street fighters have some simular moves in common with thai boxers ,so if you havent seen it then check it out..wudang and master wang are awesome i think

[ewmeiss]

@Polariswushudotnet: what is the name of the old master in white shirt? He is impressive. Thanks!

[Indra420]

@TheBimbly so... based on your sound advice, I tried to check out the videos I assumed you posted of yourself fighting and winning with whatever you study, before you began posting on here. No such videos. By your own words, you are not credible to speak on the matter. ??? & if you want me to come to you, I am moving from Florida to Colorado in about 2 months- got time to drive cross country so where are you? Was that an invitation to be come to your school and have you beat the sh*t out of me?

[alexandersocool]

Why do you people even get into these ridiculous comment wars with @TheBimbly ? It's just a waste. Watch the nice video

[Indra420]

@TheBimbly I live in Gainesville, FL. I train Taijiquan in the lineage of Sifu Kuo, Lien Ying, as mentioned by the "dude who is full of it" whom you are disrespecting because of the safety of the internet. Your cybercourage earns you no respect. If you are ever in the SE US, I'd love to cross hands with you. Freestyle, not push hands. If you want my email or phone number, send me a message... I will not be posting any videos of myself, 'cuz I dont photograph myself- too busy training & teaching

[Indra420]

@TheBimbly you sound like an idiot, and its obvious you have never met any real internal martial artists. If it were true that no Taiji fighters had "ever been found anywhere" then my Grandmaster and his disciples wouldn't be teaching special forces at Fort Bragg. The US gov't knows this stuff works, as do the special forces of every other significant military nation on Earth. If you research Taijiquan's history, you will find that many challenge matches were fought in public, to the death.

[fcuk4220]

5:47 , That punch finished and then it was blocked.....

[taijirich]

@TheBimbly figures that would be your answer. I would say you show a great lack of historical knowledge and doubt that you even study a legitimate art. Taiji fighters have and do abound. Just because you don't know any doesn't mean they do not exist. Research Kuo Lien Ying, I have known a number of fighters from his lineage.

[taijirich]

@TheBimbly Southeast US. You never did answer what style you study.

[taijirich]

@TheBimbly this is never to be solved in Youtube land. I simply offer that if you look, there are Taiji fighters out there. If you are in the southeast, let me know, would be glad to play with you.

[taijirich]

@TheBimbly I fight with Taiji, as do my students...feel free to come out and see the class, test it. By the way, I teach the yang chen fu form, and practice the two person application set that most likely comes from the Yang Ban Hou lineage. What part of the country are you located in?

[ZhuangziZhou]

@TheBimbly You are ignorant. Tai chi chuan is an ancient and deadly fighting art when properly done.  It means 'the supreme ultimate fist'.

[teddythefrency]

Thank you, I am studying yang form and I am happy to watch some interesting applications of tai ji quan ("boxing against the Shadow") in real situations.

[TheAstro1972]

There are no pushes, and no blocks in TaijiQuan. And if some guy is really trying to kill you, whay would you want to shove them away from you? In Taiji we learn to fight from very close quarters. Always attacking as a means of defence. There are very few schools still teaching these principals whilst sticking to the classics in the yang lu chan form, or yang shou hou form as it is getting to be known.

[budocapo]

Excelente vídeo!

[MrLAKIWETPU]

why in this martial arts assumes that the attack were came from the right hand and the right leg?

[anhkhoinguyen]

1.Most people are right handed, and most street fighters throw strikes with there right, so the first thing you learn is how to counter a right handed fighter...

2. They dont assume anything....this is just a short video clip of "counters" against attacks, they train both "LEFT" and Right side attacks, since this is just a "short 9 min" demo they only show defense against the right side for convenience...common sense man

3.Your the only one "assuming things" and from a video at that...lol

[FinalKenny2]

Say, is this Chen stil?

I am not very deep in the matter yet, though I know that Chen stil is one of the last remaining which teach taiji as a martial art.

Or is it generally a wide mixture?

[olaflenz]

@FinalKenny2 As far as I can see, this is a wide mixture of styles. Generally speaking, it does not depend on the style whether or not the martial aspect of Taijiquan is contained in the art. However, in some styles (e.g. Chen style) it is more visible.

Whether or not the martial aspect of Taijiquan is taught mostly depends on the teacher and the teachers before him. It is true, however, that Chen- and Wu-stylists will most probably teach martial aspects, while Yang-stylists in many cases don't.

[FinalKenny2]

But under Mao it was prohibited to be teached as a martial art, therefore allot went lost on that edge...

But you are right, it really depends on the teachers...

[olaflenz]

Well, this is the reason why quite a number of teachers have left China at that time, so I don't think it was really lost. In contrast, I think that this lead to Taijiquan being spread throughout the world.

And in China, a number of practitioners continued to practice in secret.

[FinalKenny2]

Of course.

It is interesting to go into a Chinese park at say 7o'clock. All the old geezers practicing and teaching younger ones while most women "dance" with fans.

And when you are lucky one of the old geezers invites you to show you some pushing hand principles. (You don't understand a word but still you can communicate by feeling.)

[ogscott]

Thanks for putting this together it is a nice collection of Taijiquan applications which use body mechanics. However, it would be nice to see some applications which use shi, or potential power. A movement like part the wild horses mane can be a throw, sure, but it can also be a clearing or a striking movement which topples the opponent.

[essence0001]

really nice vid with collection of bits and pieces thanks for posting!

[Moparmal]

The instructor in the hwite T shirt is by far the most proficient at playing Tai Chi. He understands the concept of yielding, and allows his students to expereince its benefits. You learn by yielding, not by giving up as the opponents in the other two do.

[luccetransportation]

Hi, cool video. Can you tell me where you found the video of the 2 person fighting set? I'd like to see their version of the whole thing.

[kqkl]

I love this video.

experience and power.

[djonwayne]

Very old Bruce Lee vs. Steven Segal

[webruichi]

cool!

[MrBbwu]

I learn a lot from this video

[MrBbwu]

it is very good

[colemcm]

It's an interesting video, but the sound needs to be fixed.

[kissmyskinnywhiteass]

throw at 5:17 was awesome!!!

who was the old guy throwing them ?

[MrDragoverde]

Meraviglioso!

[chentaichiacademy]

All styles of Tai Chi are very useful if learnt correctly, this is a beautiful art

[FinalKenny2]

Yeah, but it is hard to find proper teachers in the western world.

[Moparmal]

No - it hard to find students who wil train every day for twenty years to become proficient. This is why 99% of TC videos on you tube disintergrate into Kung Fu, Judo or wrestling.

[anhkhoinguyen]

@Moparmal You dont have to train for years to be able to fight with it, its more of a chinese proverb to train hard, and an excuse by "some" or maybe "a lot" of masters who really cant fight. Its the person not the style. 99% of TC disintergrate into Kung Fu...because it IS kung fu...Judo and wrestlings are not the only art of throws, Snake creeps down in taji is a fireman carry,Appears Closing is a double leg,twist step brush knee is hip throw,repulse monkey is a leg sweep. LOL

[Moparmal]

Only partly right - YC is NOT KF, it has a different trng philopshy. KF may become TC eventually, when the student learns how to yield and not fight force with force. If you train 8 hours a day, 7 days a week, and learn from your mistakes, then yes it takes less time. The issue is sensitivity - not technical skill.

I agree that applications in their most rudimentary form are all premised on similar principles of pivot and balance etc.

[Moparmal]

However, what you are missing is how that application comes about! A "hip throw" coming from "parting the mane" like all TC appllications must be performed with open hands - NO GRAPPLING no tugging, no pushing.- a Judo exponent will grapple, to put the opponenet off balance - This subtle difference is why an 80 year old Tai Ch man can defeat 100 pounds with 4ounces - it takes many years to become that sensitive.

[Moparmal]

My instructors have been training for 35 years - One defeated the entire Singapore Wu TC school in a Push Hands competition. His main observation? - They failed to yield - they held on to me.

[anhkhoinguyen]

@Moparmal anyways Your probably right about what you say, like most youngsters(as in myself) I argue for the sake of arguing. lol

[flancka]

@Moparmal

This subtle difference is why an 80 year old Tai Ch man can defeat 100 pounds with 4ounces - it takes many years to become that sensitive.----bullshit. what 80 yr old man? don't go passing on fables and romantic fake history like you were in the movie. This shit is pretty and well staged with flowing lovely costumes but against a real knowledged fighter like an authentic muay thai fighter their is only the hospital after the knock out. Enough of this pretent stuff and movie fakery

[MrAndywave]

@flancka Hi mate Ive been through a lot of styles before I got to tai chi examples being zen do kai,shotokan,hung fut,wing chun but tai chi is the one for me and it served me well as a bouncer(doorman) my point being that everyone has there own taste when it comes to what works for them.

Comments like yours are a waste of time, Im being polite but you get what Im saying right.

My first Tai chi teacher was in her 60s and half my size and pushed me around like a ragdoll

[anhkhoinguyen]

Muay Thais the best, but it still irks me when people diss other traditional styles...Tai Chi has excellence theory just not enough live sparring. 4 ounces defeats a 100 pounds is just a "saying" not literal but its REAL. its used in Wrestling,Jujutsu you name it its called leverage and using the opponents own force to off balance them. far from bullshit.

Funny how folks clowned on karate till Lyoto won the UFC, and Cung Le tkd kicking his way to his SF MMA belt.

[anhkhoinguyen]

1.Performing a form and the actual technique is always different, in chinese its called hidden application.

2.What u were describing as in no grappling, no tugging ect is high level skill but not the general rule, as "Taiji" means yin/yang as in hard n soft. Some time you have to pull in order to push or force a reaction in order to counter as in a setup.

3. You say theres no "pushing" but "peng, lu, chi, an" and one of them is "push" lol theres even a technique called push right after press...

[flancka]

@anhkhoinguyen

dude put the classics down cause rhetoric is just useless and all that ohhhh hidden form doublespeak is just more crap to try and prove tai chi is more than it really is. reminds me of those fake aikido vids where a student or some shrill runs at the demo teacher with both hands out like he wants a big hug and goes flying hahaha

[anhkhoinguyen]

@Moparmal If that skill is possible it is very hard to obtain. Watch Chen style they grab,yank,pull or off balance but not in the way a wrestler or Judo player would, its very smooth with the body rooted.

Most techniques involved grabbing as how can you control the opponent without a grip? but i do agree with you 100% that there should be no "wrestling or struggling" in taiji but it should be "right away" impromptu at the moment of contact using their force against them.

[anhkhoinguyen]

@Moparmal TC "IS" Kung Fu.....As Kung Fu is a slang term in China and or rather the proper term in English today for Chinese martial arts......Taijiquan is a "martial art" and a chinese martial art is termed in English as "kung fu"....derived from the cantonese term Gong fu(hard work n effort/skill achieved through time)....So technically it IS kung fu lol

not being a asshole or anything.

Bekuz I know extactly what you are trying to say im just phrasing it literally as in meaning n definition.

[jmikejapan]

@FinalKenny2 it is just as hard in China now, trust me. The ones who know how to use it for fighting are rare and reluctant to teach outside their families, even to this day.

[FinalKenny2]

@jmikejapan I know that now too. I am in China frequently. Taiwan and Wudang are probably two of the last places where you could learn properly.

Luckily I found a good Kung Fu School in Stuttgart, Germany.

There they still teach application properly.

[FinalKenny2]

@jmikejapan I know that now too. I am in China frequently. Taiwan and Wudang are probably two of the last places where you could learn properly.

Luckily I found a good Kung Fu School in Stuttgart, Germany.

There they still teach application properly. Also of the inner stiles.

[NewZealfighter]

@FinalKenny2

If your in New Zealand Check out albert park in Auckland on sundays at 10 am

[MrFlashwall]

@FinalKenny2 anyone serching for one, google chikung-unlimited 

[jmikejapan]

@FinalKenny2 It's hard to find them in China nowadays. 

[HomunculusProject]

@jmikejapan So I hear. I guess the best chance is to visit Wudangshan and study inner stiles there.

[WarriorBlackBanner]

i would really like to see a taijichuan master against a skilled boxer. you alway here the stories of the boxer being defeated. it would be interesting to see a real fight. in my opinion both are very good arts.

[anhkhoinguyen]

@WarriorBlackBanner You always here storys of the boxer being defeated? come on lets not troll for angry responses here, I never heard such a story in taiji circles, please give us some evidence of your BS? any magazine or online sources that claim taiji make such a statement? maybe in other kung fu styles but not taiji. William CC chen was a sanshou fighter and his son forgot his name is a sanshou champion 2001-2009 and there a famous taiji family look them up.

[hulkout666]

I've just started learning Tai Chi from a teacher who believes in teaching applications to the movements at the same time. Unlike most schools who like keeping you in the dark. Seeing this video is really cool with some of the more advanced applications. It gives me something to look forward to as my training progresses.

[Omegatide]

You only keep yourself in the dark,lol. Is there somthing the teacher is trying to teach you by not showing the application?? Would you like to be helped out of your coccoon mr. butterfly? lol. empty our cups. Good video thanks.

[Call6of6The6Beast]

Most of these are really awesome !

[amckinley03]

Wow, excellent video. Not easy to find demonstrations of these techniques on the web. Thanks!

[jekylfoot]

reversal at 5:20!

As a white person, let me say that no white guy should EVER wear traditional chinese outfits (especially these ceremonial ones)..... It just looks too cheesy!

[dcqielts]

@jekylfoot 因为你他妈的 就是一个傻b

[Ingve1234]

very good techniwues, but the hitting part just don't work.. You hit the opponent in real life.. note 10 cm away from him in the air

[Ingve1234]

why hit the person when he can not hit you? its rediccilous! this is useless. Wing chun will beat u all

[catwezl]

very constructive comment.

[RedArtic]

so what, they all belong to chinese martial arts. wing chun or taiji, they all originated from the same country.

[souljabarb]

listen up i practice wing chun and i say

your an idiot.

All martial arts are equal it is only the artists that can be better than one another.

[daofaziran1]

The teacher in the blue dress appearing several times is Yang, Jwing Ming (not sure about exact spelling at the moment) He did a lot of books and videos.

Useful Vid

[littlecannon]

No it's not, it's Liang Shou Yu, who does co-author a lot of Yang Jing Ming's books, so an easy mistake.

[RonnySayfan]

Yang jwing ming is the bald one..

[Egg09Seed]

Yup :) and the guy he's slamming into the floor is the young Sam Masich who is a very skilled T'ai Chi man

[3642130]

the voice sounds like Terry Dunn

[AdamSwaluk]

Is that Steven Seagal?

[Beatnuk]

Great video.

But fix the volume.

[doomedcrow]

lol this guy is whispering.

[sickofdao]

yo ive seen that master in blue

[Fishpigg]

SORT THE VOLUME LEVEL OUT

[cslee0333]

What style is this? Wu? Yang? Chen?

[atxryan321]

it looked like a lot of Yang style to me, although there may have been some Chen in there as well. i don't think any Wu though because Wu style's movements are smaller than the ones shown in this video (i think).

[senbee01]

Very useful video! I want to know more about the masters in this video!!!!

[12chenge12]

really cool this video

[DrSandoKhan]

The Hardness in the Softness!!!

[bcfsl]

Free fights in TJQ end up with everybody crippled for life. Sport MA's is like people playing paintball and then claiming that's what it's like in a real infantry firefight. By the way, real armies with real soldiers who kill for a living don't practise on each other. Why should real Martial Artists?

[WesternDragonKing]

LOL...well said, you rule.

[monkfg]

Cool, I wanna see them in a free fight!

[tennytigers]

the fellow in the white t shirt is fu wing fei son of fu jun sun and teacher of bow sim mark.

[OneRoomSchoolHouse]

Respect is due to the West Lake masters for what they have preserved though.

[OneRoomSchoolHouse]

Come on Matt!It is not combat when the "opponent" cooperates. Too much Wu Shu BS and not enough non-force technique against a non cooperative, truly combative opponent. The rules are one cun and four ounces, no amount of shaolin can truly represent taijiquan.

[ChenQiangJianke]

The second teacher wearing blue is George Hu demonstrating applications of the Yangjia Michuan Taijiquan system. He lives in Houston, Tx.