I just got interrogated in the back of job!! I refused to provide my ID. I was smoking a cigarette in my car on private property! I wasn't doing anything wrong!!! SO why should I have to identify myself??? I requested for the sergeant to come. I wish society had proper access to what state laws we're to abide by! I feel violated because of it. I'll be contacting my lawyer! I was harassed while sitting at my desk!!
@Ltbird i know what hes doing but that cop wasnt giving him a hard time he was asking him just to make sure he wasnt this criminal guy. so there was no reason to ruin this cops day by being a dick
@Pafoofnik1 if he showed him his ID boom its done he walks away cop leaves him alone he instead (the bearded guy) would rather "exercise his right" i understand you dont have to show him his ID hes not under arrest he wasnt doing anything wrong but why waste 10 minutes arguing with the cop? help the cop hes only there doing his job. if the cop was a prick i could understand you wanting to "stick it to him" but why make his day harder?
since when did; (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, along with requiring any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause.
This guy is no hero hes just a douchebag looking to get arrested so he can make a big deal out of how unfair the police were for illegally detaining him. Why the fuck not just show them your id and let them get on with there jobs, just because you are not required to show them id doesnt mean that you should refuse for no reason.
@UrMumLovesMyBigCork Yeah, I mean, why didnt the Jews just jump in the ovens themselves during WWII? The Nazi soldiers were just doing their job, after all. Why cant slaves just obey when tyrants tell them to do stupid things? It would certainly make life easier for tyrants and their boot-licking little toadies. Like you, for example.
@COINTELPRO101 Without the police your country would absolutely not function and that is a fact. They are enforcers of the law and not our enemies you idiot. What was wrong with what the cop was doing? All he did was ask for id to because he was looking for a man who had broken the law. Simple as that.
@COINTELPRO101 the Nazi soldiers would have beaten the shit out of him for not showing his ID but those Cops didn't even touch him, how do you compare that with Nazi soldiers who kill people or with slave owners who force the slaves to work?
@Thelosttraveller1 I would agree if He forced Him. But one He didn't and two He basically said He is gonna get a guy to confirm His identity call Him. I'm just saying willingly show Your ID. He just asked.
citizen "Hey look at me, I look like that guy you are looking for"
Cop "OK, can I see something that verifies you aren't? Not MUST, but just can I see it?"
citizen "No, I am not required"
pffft, BIG DEAL.
If you are trying to make a point about liberty or the Constitution or Law Enforcement, why pick on some poor cop who is doing his job the best he can? Makes you come off as the idiot.
OH NOOO,,,everyone run and hide its the keyboard tough guy...lol,,,hey Alexander, kiss my ass with all your pussy assed talk. Make it down to OK and I'll explain it better to you. Notice that Im not threating you right,,,just offering to educate you if you so desire to crawl out of your parent's basement where you can see the light.
what if native americans help libertarian values....where were all your fellow libertarians when your european ancestors were seizing land from natives in the 1800s...its funny how u europeans started to respect liberty and property rights AFTER the property became yours....what about the property rights of the american who owned the motherfuckin tipi that used to exist where this european's house now sits...its so easy to sit back and be a libertarian after the dirty work has been done
Ron Paul is so much better than the other candidates, can't New Hampshire see it? I mean Mitt Romney? OH, please no. Newt Gingrich? Are you kidding me? Wake up New Hampshire! Don't you want an honest veteran who happens to be a doctor and knows the law. Don't be afraid of Freedom. Google Ron Paul's campaign, see the facts. Lady Liberty has a knight in shining armor in Ron Paul. Let's not elect any more toads showering them with taxpayer money! Help free this country from the power hungry jerks.
@1775novten bro/sista, I used to be just as idealistic as him....16 years, 6 arrests and 2 years spent in the Texas Pennitentary have taught me that the best thing to do is kiss their mofockin asses and stay free. Just bein realistic. not sayin he's a bitch, but he was showin some bitch ass behavior that if he pulls on the wrong cop will get him beat down and locked up. how many run ins have you had with the law??? not enough apparantely and I hope you dont learn from hard exper
@1775novten I would rather just say, ''yeh, here you go man, run my name'' and smile as he hands it back to me then bounce outa there. IDK if it wuz the cameras bein there or if NH cops are just friendly but a Houston or Dallas cop woulda called in back up and cuffed him up and if he resisted beat the fuck outa him
@kflashman33 "IDK if it wuz the cameras bein there or if NH cops are just friendly but a Houston or Dallas cop "
NH has a bunch of people who hold police accountable by refusing to comply with police interference except as they are required to do so by the law. With video evidence available, It doesn't take too many lawsuits to make police get the message and calm the fuck down.
@kflashman33 The sad part is that you are right - that sort of thing happens everyday. And it's not that you have hard ass laws down there, it's that you have a dangerous gang on your streets who go by the name "cops" and they don't follow the laws and instead execute street justice just like every other gang. They are violent abusive criminals. And it's sad that they have to beat citizens into submission.
you should "empty" your pockets at a federal metal detector-but forget ONE item and leave it in your pockets. When they use the wand and say what's in your pocket? you produce a piece of metal engraved with the 4th amendment and say "Oh, don't know how that go there, but here you can keep it since you guys are government employees and this is one of your regulations"
I am not trying to convince anyone. There is natural law and fictions of law.One is God's law one is man's colorable law, a fiction. Contracts can only happen between living beings with others living beings, or corporations with other Corps.They cannot exist between living men and corporations.As is lacks the elements for lawful contract.SO how do they compell you to perform under pain of prision?How can you be held liable.The birth cert is how.Its a corporation you think is the real you!!!lol
The other two names you listed just come up on you tube and a so called patriot who was shot in AZ. Get off YT and if u truly want change in our gov., go to DC and make it. Change it from within. Fight the battles you can win. Don't fight the Gaint head on.....Good luck....
The only reference to the case you stated with the number 370 at the end is only listed on Soverign sites. Can't find it under any FOIA request data. It's funny how the other cases are so easy to find yet this one isn't...HMMMMM......dunno guy.
@brittboyer1 you either did not read the opinion of Chief Justice Matthews or you missed it. I pasted the origins of sovereginty and authority and the relationship between the PEOPLE and the government we created and allow a portion of our sovereignty in a common law trust called the Constitution to protect our individual rights. The are trustees we are the beneficiaries,we are the boss. Its quite simple but the founders don't limit our right to contract.That's where deception occurs fraud etc.
I don't know how you could claim that the gov has no jurisdiction over you. So when you go to a foreign country even though you are not from their country they have jurisdiction over you. You speed in another country, they can issue you a ticket. Even Soldiers in other countries have to abid by their laws. I could not find ONE CASE where a soverign citizen won a case b/c of their so called status. I have seen some dismissed for a technicality or continued. If this was true everyone would do it
@brittboyer1 See Charles Sprinkle, Carl Miller for example see the SCOTUS case of Yick Wo v Hopkins US 118.356,370 The govt. gets its authority from the sovereign people to ensure individual right are protected. Its not a top down govt. its a bottum up govt. and its about contracts. One needs to know how to avoid contracting with govt.See also Bill Foust and Mark HAfner. All sovereigns who have won in court for lack of....jurisdiction.
@justaman6972 Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356 (1886),[1] was the first case where the United States Supreme Court ruled that a law that is race-neutral on its face, but is administered in a prejudicial manner, is an infringement of the Equal Protection Clause in the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
@brittboyer1 "Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but, in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts. " Opinion of Justice Matthews of the case of Yick Wo showing the relationship between govt and a living man. Sovereignty originates and remains with the people, a bottom up not top down system.We're the boss
@justaman6972 Yick Wo is cited in Hirabayashi v. United States (320 US 81, 1943) to recognize that: "Distinctions between citizens solely based because of their ancestry are by their very nature odious to a free people whose institutions are founded upon the doctrine of equality. For that reason, legislative classification or discrimination based on race alone has often been held to be a denial of equal protection." AGAIN twisting a case for ur gain. This was a case about race.....TBC...
I don't have a name, a name implies ownership as in appellation. I am called by my title, my wife calls me honey, my dog calls me woof and my friends call me bro, or dude. Birthdate? I don't now when I was born I was really young then, so piss off!
@justaman6972 well since you have failed to identify urself place ur hands behind ur back you are being detained. cuz I am not calling u honey or woof or bro. And when asked you do have to provide identification.....
@brittboyer1 5th amt I need not provide any evidence against myself so you are incorrect sir.A statute does not trump the Constitution.People v. Ortiz ( 1995) 32 Cal. APP.4 TH At P.292, Fn 2.An officer may be held liable in damages to any person injured in the consequence of a breach of any of the duties connected with his/her office.The liablity for ANY nonfeasance,misfeasance,and for malfeasance in office is his/her individual,not official capacity.70 Am Jur 2d. Sec. 50 VII civil liability.POW
@justaman6972 it's not evidence it a fuckin ID dipshit!! I don't know about the maple syrup tree huggin states but most state u have to show ID!!! How was he injured???Hello,,, if he resisted it would be within his duties,,,,
@brittboyer1 it is clear you know little about law and the Constitution. I cannot verify that any of the people you mention did either, what I do know is I was facing 2 years and beat them in court by exposing the fraud period.
@justaman6972 All you gotta do is look up the Anti Defamation League web site,or you could google court cases involving soverign citizens.I didn't see ONE CASE where a so called soverign citizen won a case.If any cases were dismissed I am sure they were b/c of a technicality.I don't know everything but I do know that you can't twist the constitution and try and say the gov. has no jurisdiction over you.This stuff is a scam to try to get out of debt. I want change in our gov, but not anarchy....
@brittboyer1 said: "when asked you do have to provide identification"
This statement is not true in the U.S. A person does not have to provide identification on demand. Please research the Supreme Court case "Hiibel" for more information.
@brittboyer1 The burden lies on the executive branch.What's more?As a sovereign I am not bound by the law for I am the author and source of law for which all govt. exists. Yick Wo v Hopkins US 118.356,370. I mean if you need more I will certainly provide it.We are the ultimate authority granting certain power to agencies of govt. to protect our individual liberties/freedom our most valuable posession.I'm not here to argue,but to educate. I am a vet Deputy Sheriff as well and OathKeeper 3%er!
@justaman6972 Charlotte Kempf: convicted of traffic violations in CO’s El Paso County Court.She filed a lawsuit against the judge who imposed fines/five-day jail sentence,But Kempf, who describes herself as a “sovereign citizen” and sometimes refers to herself simply as “Charlotte,” appealed to the 10th Circuit.Kempf also sometimes refers to herself as “Charlotte of the Kempf family” and “Charlotte d.b.a. CHARLOTTE KEMPF” while rejecting “the use of her surname,” according to court filings.
@justaman6972 • A three-judge appeals panel unanimously ruled against Kempf on Monday. The case is styled CHARLOTTE v. HANSEN,” with simply “CHARLOTTE” as the Plaintiff-Appellant, and KARLA J. HANSEN, State Trial Judge” as the Defendant-Appellee. PAY ATTENTION,,THEY RULED....
“For Kempf’s benefit, however, we note that an individual’s belief that her status as a ‘sovereign citizen’ puts her beyond the jurisdiction of the courts ‘HAS NO CONCEIVABLE VALIDITY IN AMERICAN LAW.’”
@justaman6972 • United States Court of Appeals, Tenth Circuit, Aug. 15, 2011...The panel pointed to United States v. Schneider, 910 F.2d 1569, 1570 (7th Cir. 1990), in its Kempf decision.
@justaman6972 Sumpter County,FL,& Winsted,CT,March-April 2010: In April 2010,sovereign citizen B. J. Whitaker was arrested in Winsted,CT,after an extensive search. Authorities had tracked him to CT following a March 25 incident in Sumpter County,FL,in which He allegedly shot 5X at a FL trooper while fleeing from a traffic stop.At his first court appearance after his capture,he challenged the court’s jurisdiction over him,explaining that he was a “sovereign,” not an “American citizen”.HE LOST!
@justaman6972 Delaware County, Indiana, March 2010: Indiana sovereign citizen Brad Henry petitioned Delaware County officials to release him from annual property taxes because his house was an “embassy.” The county did not agree.
@justaman6972 Kansas City, MO, Feb 2010: 3 sovereign citizens were sentenced to 5-6 years each in federal prison for participating in a conspiracy to use (as well as sell) fraudulent diplomatic credentials. A 4th def. Blake Bestol of WY, pleaded guilty and received probation. Goodyke also marketed similar license plates, complete with the seal of the Dept of State. In Sept 2007, Robinson tried to use his diplomatic ID card during a traffic stop in MO.
@Pafoofnik1 you do not need nor is it required to excerise your liberty/right to use the common ways / public roads / highways for private travel. No one is compelled to be licensed to employ a constitutionally protected right as it is unlawful to take a right,charge a fee and issue a license 4 rights to be excerscised, its actually unlawful for the govt. to do this, and they cannot turn a right into a crime, if they do it is void on its face as it is repugnant to the constitution PAX
@nudzagbud I can't speak for him, but my reason would be simple: because I don't have to by any law. If I don't have to do something, I reserve the right to not do it. Period.
Actually if they have reasonable suspicion that you are a person for whom they have a warrant then you are required to produce identification. He didn't detain you because they were able to determine upon closer inspection that you were, in fact, not that person and thus no longer had reasonable suspicion you were a wanted individual.
Well in the state in which I am employed, it is illegally to not show sufficient evidence of who you are upon the request of a Law Enforcement Officer. It is a Class A Misd and punishable upon to and including $1,000 fine and a year in the county jail.
So to answer your question, yes I would arrest him for Obstruction of Governmental Operations (Non-Force) and Failure to Comply.
@FireCaptMedic1606 said: "Well in the state in which I am employed, it is illegally to not show sufficient evidence of who you are upon the request of a Law Enforcement Officer."
I highly doubt this, unless you consider verbally giving a name and a few other bits of info as 'sufficient'. What state do you live in?
And said: "I would arrest him for Obstruction of Governmental Operations (Non-Force) and Failure to Comply." What state?
@Pafoofnik1 It's not illegal if not in a vehicle. If on the street:
1) SAY NOTHING
2) SAY NOTHING, including Qs or As of any kind or any length
3) SAY NOTHING
Stay completely still until the officer leaves in frustration or arrests u illegally. Wait until he actually says "u r under arrest" & handcuffs u b4 entering vehicle. Go completely limp & b drug. Indubitably ull b released uncharged - remain silent the ENTIRE time! Then sue their ass for wrongful arrest, interrogation, detainment, etc.
If you're not being detained (or you feel lack of probable cause to do so) I agree. Of course their bullshit, arresting you for 'disobeying a police officer'...'not providing ID to police officers when requested'... Of course they fail to mention they can't do any of that without probable cause, which they could care less about these days!
@l2ash You let me know what states! Please say Illinois! I was just interrogated by police outside of where I work. Their probable cause for asking to see id was there have been a lot of burglaries in this area!! this was after i told this guy i worked at this office! I feel completely violated and refused to show my id!! i didn't do anything and he says he has to "log" my info into the system? needless to say after about 10-15 minutes of harassment and threats.i showed my id. they wouldn't leav
Looks like a hippie'd be going to jail that day...had that Deputy been myself.
I'd of asked once for your ID, once you refused I'd of said 'Well you match the description of so and so. Turn around and place your hands behind your back.' That'd of been the end of the conversation. Then I would have ran your fingerprints through AFIS to determine your identity. Which after making an educated guess, I'm 100% assured I'd find your prints in the system.
I am 68 years old, when I was young most people liked and respected the police .Now these days most people hates despise and afraid of the police. what more can I say about law enforcement ,Police are armed and retarded they will hurt you they will kill you and they will get by with it. It takes police to have a police state. All police are taught from day one at the police academy to lie and put innocent people in jail that's why you cannot be a Christian and a policeman at the same time.
its a good idea for everyone to get one of those hidden camers like a pen cam or one of the baseball caps with a cam in it then they can get evidence of the police tyranny without worrying about it being confiscated and being arested although its great to take a regular camera out to show em who is boss somtimes its smarter to be more covert about it
I dont understand why you guys are such assholes. They're just trying to perform their duties as officers. I mean if you just show the i.d. they say ok cool, thanks. Makes no sense man.
@todom180 What duties are they performing to be asking for a law abiding citizen's ID for which he is not required to provide if he hasn't broken any laws??? Are they pro actively trying to look for a crime by running his name for warrants? Are cops supposed to randomly stop law abiding citizens and ask them for their credentials? Maybe in nazi germany....your papers please!!!
@todom180 here is the problem.....(i used to think like you too.......it should not be made "easy or convenient" for the police to violate your rights. The police "just doing their job" should not be a valid excuse to erode the rights of united states citizens. In the years since the 9/11 terrorist attacks united states citizens have lost a huge chunk of their rights. Even small local police forces have become more like the military than your local trusted police
@sovreiy Sorry but I work 50 hours a week on average. I don't need government hand outs. Show me your papers. Do you like the taste of the states dick? You must be an angry cop.
Keep your private life private, if your state isn't as pro gay rights as you'd like it's not my fault you hypochondriac. And by the way, when you don't act like a PERP, 99% of cops treat you like gold. Pity you'll never know what that's like.
NEW HAMSHIRE STATE LAW 594:2 Questioning and Detaining Suspects. – A peace officer may stop any person abroad whom he has reason to suspect is committing, has committed or is about to commit a crime, and may demand of him his name, address, business abroad and where he is going.
Its sad because the cop is just doing what he is told. He's not corrupt, the gov. is. They made a set of rules in favor of tyranny and anti-freedom in this corrupt system and part of that involves police training in which they are required to understand and follow these messed up laws or else they cannot become police officers. The Identification card (dog collar) problem is because of the gov. not the police.
@Takiado so your saying if the cop is following a corrupt training lesson and knows it's corrupt then hes not because hes following that lesson i'm not sure what that means?
Ridley is still alive? Hey, Ridley, do a tour in Afghanistan...for 2 years your alleged worth on the planet has been assessed and to no avail, none has been found, big shock! Punk comes to mind...how much money does your Daddy have? He still supports you?
Way to act like a petulant child in front on a cop who was just trying to do his job and who exercised more patience than I would have in the face of your blatant stupidity if I were a cop. I would have just arrested your ass and assumed you to be the other guy for acting like that. Hope the next time you need a cop for an emergency he plays the whole "I'm not required to do that" game with you too.
@Crazysight i'm not sure what you mean i've been on earth for 61 years and never needed a cop to save me from some so called emergency and they would be the last ones i'd call. people need to learn to protect themselfs and stop hopeing some white night will save them. besides if i want to get beat to death there are alot of other people to do it besides coppers. they have made you think you can't protect yourself the men today are geting more like bitchs everday and a person like won't help.
? He's messing with a Sheriff. Sheriffs have like almost zero power outside of transporting prisoners and serving papers here in NH. Whooptie fucking Doo. And don't move to NH, your smelly hippy ways will fuck it up for the rest of us. And he did tell him his name....so what was the point of this?
People in U.S. enjoy a Fifth Amendment right to remain silent there, doesrt, including the right to refuse ID just because some guy asks for it. The Supreme Court itself agreed in the case known as "Hiibel".
Thanks for the information about California. Doesn't really matter much about what I said though.
Personally, I think you people are idiots. You would rather spend time in jail or prolong contacts with police just because you want to make a point. Fact is, your acting like spoiled children. In this case, the officer was quite nice, as if you do look like the person, you could be detained, and you could be arrested for the warrant. Later, after you spend half your life suing, the police will probably win based on reasonable action - your just stupid.
@Pafoofnik1 Actually, I don't think he is exercising his right, I think the officer was a little slow on the uptake. In California, if you look reasonably like a person who has a warrant, the police can detain you to determine if you are in fact that person - as long as there are articulable facts that make it reasonable (as is in this case). Once detained, California law requires a person to ID or face arrest for obstruction. Actions like this make the police think you are the guy even more.
ur the fucking criminal! all he is trying to do is his fucking job thats it but you gotta waste his time and waste tax payer dollars with your bull shit yeah you sure make a good point!
you want to flex your rights well so does he, there is NOTHING in writing stating he must show you his ID when you ask for it. they can play the same game that you wanna play with them
Fuck that! No one, no cop, not even the damn POTUS should be able to pull me over while on the sidewalk and ask for an I.D. if I am not harming anyone or myself!
@Pafoofnik1 It's people like you that make this world a worse place to live in. What's the point of ID if you don't have to show it? I'd rather show it than get falsely arrested because I look like someone else.
@Pafoofnik1 My mistake. I wrongly assumed you had to carry some sort of ID, driving license, if driving or something, in case you need to verify your age.
@biggiantbaby: You almost always have to be in possession of a driver's license, if you are on public roads and are driving a vehicle that requires a license for example.
But just waking down the street? Nope. In fact , I jog nearly every evening. All I carry is Chapstick.
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@HappyBruiser why is it tyranny? do you want criminals to be taken off the street when the police find them? how do the cops know what your record is or if you have warrents? you honestly want the police to take peoples word on it? when you say no and refuse it makes you look like your hiding something.if showing my id means criminals are taken off the street aggressively, then that is a right i will give up.9-11 changed everything,understand and adapt or be mad little pricks and trouble makers.
@Pafoofnik1 I understand what you're saying there, all I'm saying is if you're in a situation and you need to prove your ID...if you have it you should show it, to prove who you are. If you don't have it for a good reason (like your example you're out jogging) then yes your word is good and I understand that too. But if you have it and need to prove it I don't see the point in refusing to show it just to prove your rights.
@kaiwarrior2000: OK. not sure why you think you should be telling me how to run my affairs here, so:
I have no desire nor requirement to prove my ID on demand. My state laws require that I verbally state my name and address or DOB, which I will do.
But he will have to arrest me for something else before he can require this. I'll make sure to remind him of this until this happens... and I have. (Never has been a problem.)
Having 'a point' is not a prerequisite to exercising a right.
@Pafoofnik1 Ok so apparently you have a problem having a discussion or a back and forth debate with someone. I was merely stating my point and opinion and you're taking offence to it. Not sure what your problmen is and I'm not telling you how to run your affairs. Get some self-esteem and back bone man. I was merely having a discussion...take a pill...put your ID away...and relax.
@kaiwarrior2000: OK. You made a comment to me saying things like"You should have some form of Picture ID on you at all times" and "you should show it, to prove who you are" and "I don't see the point in refusing to show it just to prove your rights."
I responded with my opinions of why I will not be following your suggestions.
13-2412. Refusing to provide truthful name when lawfully detained; classification
"A. It is unlawful for a person, after being advised that the person's refusal to answer is unlawful, to fail or refuse to state the person's true full name on request of a peace officer who has lawfully detained the person based on reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, is committing or is about to commit a crime."
@Pafoofnik1 well the news is not reporting the goings on in Arizona properly then because i have heard of recent legislation there that would require proof of identity so they can profile people. personally, i dont mind showing my id. i have nothing to hide, i am not trying to prove anything to anyone and no i am not a sheep. everything in life that i WANT to do, i CAN do, anytime i want and anyplace i want. hate to tell you this but "individuality" is just a concept, it isnt real
@BeingNobody1956: I guess you are talking about the proposed immigration paper checking? I haven't kept up with it all, but it is my understanding that all the legislation does is require officers to _ask_ about immigration status during a stop. Nothing in it requires anyone to answer.
Yet another reason to just say no to questioning.
Of course you are free to show ID. I never said you couldn't. And I have never called anyone a sheep. However, I have called my sheep... sheep. And other things.
@serolog2 said: "NY requires everyone to carry ID on them (at least NYC)"
I've heard about the same assertion for various other states and cities. Like the other times, no one has actually been able to cite a single applicable statute or case law that affirms it.
My guess is that neither will you. The question is, how will you respond when you realize that you are mistaken?
I just got interrogated in the back of job!! I refused to provide my ID. I was smoking a cigarette in my car on private property! I wasn't doing anything wrong!!! SO why should I have to identify myself??? I requested for the sergeant to come. I wish society had proper access to what state laws we're to abide by! I feel violated because of it. I'll be contacting my lawyer! I was harassed while sitting at my desk!!
hunnybunny1012 6 hours ago
if you just showed him your ID it woulda been done with but you want to waste everyone time good job
CFLanJ 2 days ago
@CFLanJ Lookup "civil disobedience"
Ltbird 1 day ago
@Ltbird i know what hes doing but that cop wasnt giving him a hard time he was asking him just to make sure he wasnt this criminal guy. so there was no reason to ruin this cops day by being a dick
CFLanJ 1 day ago
@CFLanJ: Some people don't think that exercising a right is 'giving someone a hard time'.
Pafoofnik1 1 day ago
@Pafoofnik1 if he showed him his ID boom its done he walks away cop leaves him alone he instead (the bearded guy) would rather "exercise his right" i understand you dont have to show him his ID hes not under arrest he wasnt doing anything wrong but why waste 10 minutes arguing with the cop? help the cop hes only there doing his job. if the cop was a prick i could understand you wanting to "stick it to him" but why make his day harder?
CFLanJ 1 day ago
@CFLanJ: If the officer understood that he didn't have to show ID boom it's done.
It was the officer that was wasting time here. He was the one trying to make up law.
Pafoofnik1 1 day ago
since when did; (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, along with requiring any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause.
Become about being "nice"????
dhawzi09 2 weeks ago
You vil sho me your papas!!
hagbard72 2 weeks ago 2
This guy is no hero hes just a douchebag looking to get arrested so he can make a big deal out of how unfair the police were for illegally detaining him. Why the fuck not just show them your id and let them get on with there jobs, just because you are not required to show them id doesnt mean that you should refuse for no reason.
UrMumLovesMyBigCork 2 weeks ago
@UrMumLovesMyBigCork Yeah, I mean, why didnt the Jews just jump in the ovens themselves during WWII? The Nazi soldiers were just doing their job, after all. Why cant slaves just obey when tyrants tell them to do stupid things? It would certainly make life easier for tyrants and their boot-licking little toadies. Like you, for example.
COINTELPRO101 2 weeks ago
@COINTELPRO101 Without the police your country would absolutely not function and that is a fact. They are enforcers of the law and not our enemies you idiot. What was wrong with what the cop was doing? All he did was ask for id to because he was looking for a man who had broken the law. Simple as that.
UrMumLovesMyBigCork 2 weeks ago
@COINTELPRO101 the Nazi soldiers would have beaten the shit out of him for not showing his ID but those Cops didn't even touch him, how do you compare that with Nazi soldiers who kill people or with slave owners who force the slaves to work?
mirzayanov1 1 week ago
@mirzayanov1 Ihre Papiere, bitte?
COINTELPRO101 1 week ago
i would have arrested him and it would of been a case of mistaken identity lol
SoftSailz 3 weeks ago
haha hilarious, if you just like fuckign with cops for fun...
rookerzzz 3 weeks ago
@rookerzzz yeah its not like the cops ever fuck with us or anything
COINTELPRO101 2 weeks ago
Why not just give Them Your ID? Good gosh.
MrOhjames 3 weeks ago
@MrOhjames to exercise your rights and not let these pigs take advantage of you
Thelosttraveller1 3 weeks ago
@Thelosttraveller1 I would agree if He forced Him. But one He didn't and two He basically said He is gonna get a guy to confirm His identity call Him. I'm just saying willingly show Your ID. He just asked.
MrOhjames 3 weeks ago
@MrOhjames completely agree man its not like they were targeting him in anyway
UrMumLovesMyBigCork 2 weeks ago
I don't get the point of this.
citizen "Hey look at me, I look like that guy you are looking for"
Cop "OK, can I see something that verifies you aren't? Not MUST, but just can I see it?"
citizen "No, I am not required"
pffft, BIG DEAL.
If you are trying to make a point about liberty or the Constitution or Law Enforcement, why pick on some poor cop who is doing his job the best he can? Makes you come off as the idiot.
rm2551 3 weeks ago 2
And what was the point of all this again?? Ohh, you didn't want to show your ID. Wow, get a job or something.
luvbite1 3 weeks ago
OH NOOO,,,everyone run and hide its the keyboard tough guy...lol,,,hey Alexander, kiss my ass with all your pussy assed talk. Make it down to OK and I'll explain it better to you. Notice that Im not threating you right,,,just offering to educate you if you so desire to crawl out of your parent's basement where you can see the light.
littleokiereb 3 weeks ago
Just show him the I.D. and quit being a douche. If I were the cop I would have smashed the camera then smashed you and your fat wifes face in.
alexander92648 1 month ago
@alexander92648: Officers can be sued if they do what you suggest.
Pafoofnik1 1 month ago
@alexander92648 So you want the cop to assault them in order to show a document they can legally say '' no I don't want to show it ''
By your logic we should run this like Kim Jong Il.
cleve101 4 weeks ago
what if native americans help libertarian values....where were all your fellow libertarians when your european ancestors were seizing land from natives in the 1800s...its funny how u europeans started to respect liberty and property rights AFTER the property became yours....what about the property rights of the american who owned the motherfuckin tipi that used to exist where this european's house now sits...its so easy to sit back and be a libertarian after the dirty work has been done
matthunterrlf 1 month ago
That's it i'm moving to NH
Le5hitbag 1 month ago
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zentricky69 1 month ago
lucky mofucka, if he pulled that shit in Houston they would beat his bitch azz and take him to jail.
kflashman33 1 month ago
@kflashman33 Why is he a bitch for not IDing himself and just bowing down to the police?
1775novten 1 month ago
@1775novten bro/sista, I used to be just as idealistic as him....16 years, 6 arrests and 2 years spent in the Texas Pennitentary have taught me that the best thing to do is kiss their mofockin asses and stay free. Just bein realistic. not sayin he's a bitch, but he was showin some bitch ass behavior that if he pulls on the wrong cop will get him beat down and locked up. how many run ins have you had with the law??? not enough apparantely and I hope you dont learn from hard exper
kflashman33 1 month ago
@1775novten I would rather just say, ''yeh, here you go man, run my name'' and smile as he hands it back to me then bounce outa there. IDK if it wuz the cameras bein there or if NH cops are just friendly but a Houston or Dallas cop woulda called in back up and cuffed him up and if he resisted beat the fuck outa him
kflashman33 1 month ago
@kflashman33 "IDK if it wuz the cameras bein there or if NH cops are just friendly but a Houston or Dallas cop "
NH has a bunch of people who hold police accountable by refusing to comply with police interference except as they are required to do so by the law. With video evidence available, It doesn't take too many lawsuits to make police get the message and calm the fuck down.
docdamag 1 month ago
@1775novten correction, they would kick his ass after they tassered him a coupla times. I seen it happen man, we got some hard ass laws down here.
kflashman33 1 month ago
@kflashman33 The sad part is that you are right - that sort of thing happens everyday. And it's not that you have hard ass laws down there, it's that you have a dangerous gang on your streets who go by the name "cops" and they don't follow the laws and instead execute street justice just like every other gang. They are violent abusive criminals. And it's sad that they have to beat citizens into submission.
1775novten 1 month ago
you should "empty" your pockets at a federal metal detector-but forget ONE item and leave it in your pockets. When they use the wand and say what's in your pocket? you produce a piece of metal engraved with the 4th amendment and say "Oh, don't know how that go there, but here you can keep it since you guys are government employees and this is one of your regulations"
hiruleshouse 2 months ago
I am not trying to convince anyone. There is natural law and fictions of law.One is God's law one is man's colorable law, a fiction. Contracts can only happen between living beings with others living beings, or corporations with other Corps.They cannot exist between living men and corporations.As is lacks the elements for lawful contract.SO how do they compell you to perform under pain of prision?How can you be held liable.The birth cert is how.Its a corporation you think is the real you!!!lol
justaman6972 2 months ago
The other two names you listed just come up on you tube and a so called patriot who was shot in AZ. Get off YT and if u truly want change in our gov., go to DC and make it. Change it from within. Fight the battles you can win. Don't fight the Gaint head on.....Good luck....
brittboyer1 2 months ago
The only reference to the case you stated with the number 370 at the end is only listed on Soverign sites. Can't find it under any FOIA request data. It's funny how the other cases are so easy to find yet this one isn't...HMMMMM......dunno guy.
brittboyer1 2 months ago
The case you stated was about race and discrimination against chinese laundry owners in 1886....NOTHING ABOUT BEING SOVERIGN.
brittboyer1 2 months ago
@brittboyer1 you either did not read the opinion of Chief Justice Matthews or you missed it. I pasted the origins of sovereginty and authority and the relationship between the PEOPLE and the government we created and allow a portion of our sovereignty in a common law trust called the Constitution to protect our individual rights. The are trustees we are the beneficiaries,we are the boss. Its quite simple but the founders don't limit our right to contract.That's where deception occurs fraud etc.
justaman6972 2 months ago
@justaman6972 I posted the judges comments...
brittboyer1 2 months ago
I don't know how you could claim that the gov has no jurisdiction over you. So when you go to a foreign country even though you are not from their country they have jurisdiction over you. You speed in another country, they can issue you a ticket. Even Soldiers in other countries have to abid by their laws. I could not find ONE CASE where a soverign citizen won a case b/c of their so called status. I have seen some dismissed for a technicality or continued. If this was true everyone would do it
brittboyer1 2 months ago
@brittboyer1 See Charles Sprinkle, Carl Miller for example see the SCOTUS case of Yick Wo v Hopkins US 118.356,370 The govt. gets its authority from the sovereign people to ensure individual right are protected. Its not a top down govt. its a bottum up govt. and its about contracts. One needs to know how to avoid contracting with govt.See also Bill Foust and Mark HAfner. All sovereigns who have won in court for lack of....jurisdiction.
justaman6972 2 months ago
@justaman6972 Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356 (1886),[1] was the first case where the United States Supreme Court ruled that a law that is race-neutral on its face, but is administered in a prejudicial manner, is an infringement of the Equal Protection Clause in the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
brittboyer1 2 months ago
@brittboyer1 "Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but, in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts. " Opinion of Justice Matthews of the case of Yick Wo showing the relationship between govt and a living man. Sovereignty originates and remains with the people, a bottom up not top down system.We're the boss
justaman6972 2 months ago
@justaman6972 Yick Wo is cited in Hirabayashi v. United States (320 US 81, 1943) to recognize that: "Distinctions between citizens solely based because of their ancestry are by their very nature odious to a free people whose institutions are founded upon the doctrine of equality. For that reason, legislative classification or discrimination based on race alone has often been held to be a denial of equal protection." AGAIN twisting a case for ur gain. This was a case about race.....TBC...
brittboyer1 2 months ago
I don't have a name, a name implies ownership as in appellation. I am called by my title, my wife calls me honey, my dog calls me woof and my friends call me bro, or dude. Birthdate? I don't now when I was born I was really young then, so piss off!
justaman6972 2 months ago
@justaman6972 well since you have failed to identify urself place ur hands behind ur back you are being detained. cuz I am not calling u honey or woof or bro. And when asked you do have to provide identification.....
brittboyer1 2 months ago
@brittboyer1 5th amt I need not provide any evidence against myself so you are incorrect sir.A statute does not trump the Constitution.People v. Ortiz ( 1995) 32 Cal. APP.4 TH At P.292, Fn 2.An officer may be held liable in damages to any person injured in the consequence of a breach of any of the duties connected with his/her office.The liablity for ANY nonfeasance,misfeasance,and for malfeasance in office is his/her individual,not official capacity.70 Am Jur 2d. Sec. 50 VII civil liability.POW
justaman6972 2 months ago
@justaman6972 it's not evidence it a fuckin ID dipshit!! I don't know about the maple syrup tree huggin states but most state u have to show ID!!! How was he injured???Hello,,, if he resisted it would be within his duties,,,,
brittboyer1 2 months ago
@brittboyer1 it is clear you know little about law and the Constitution. I cannot verify that any of the people you mention did either, what I do know is I was facing 2 years and beat them in court by exposing the fraud period.
Dipshit.
justaman6972 2 months ago
@justaman6972 All you gotta do is look up the Anti Defamation League web site,or you could google court cases involving soverign citizens.I didn't see ONE CASE where a so called soverign citizen won a case.If any cases were dismissed I am sure they were b/c of a technicality.I don't know everything but I do know that you can't twist the constitution and try and say the gov. has no jurisdiction over you.This stuff is a scam to try to get out of debt. I want change in our gov, but not anarchy....
brittboyer1 2 months ago
@brittboyer1 said: "but most state u have to show ID!"
But only if certain explicit prerequisites are in place. Research the Supreme Court case "Hiibel" for more information.
Pafoofnik1 2 months ago
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@brittboyer1 said: "when asked you do have to provide identification"
This statement is not true in the U.S. A person does not have to provide identification on demand. Please research the Supreme Court case "Hiibel" for more information.
Pafoofnik1 2 months ago
@brittboyer1 The burden lies on the executive branch.What's more?As a sovereign I am not bound by the law for I am the author and source of law for which all govt. exists. Yick Wo v Hopkins US 118.356,370. I mean if you need more I will certainly provide it.We are the ultimate authority granting certain power to agencies of govt. to protect our individual liberties/freedom our most valuable posession.I'm not here to argue,but to educate. I am a vet Deputy Sheriff as well and OathKeeper 3%er!
justaman6972 2 months ago
@justaman6972 Charlotte Kempf: convicted of traffic violations in CO’s El Paso County Court.She filed a lawsuit against the judge who imposed fines/five-day jail sentence,But Kempf, who describes herself as a “sovereign citizen” and sometimes refers to herself simply as “Charlotte,” appealed to the 10th Circuit.Kempf also sometimes refers to herself as “Charlotte of the Kempf family” and “Charlotte d.b.a. CHARLOTTE KEMPF” while rejecting “the use of her surname,” according to court filings.
brittboyer1 2 months ago
@justaman6972 • A three-judge appeals panel unanimously ruled against Kempf on Monday. The case is styled CHARLOTTE v. HANSEN,” with simply “CHARLOTTE” as the Plaintiff-Appellant, and KARLA J. HANSEN, State Trial Judge” as the Defendant-Appellee. PAY ATTENTION,,THEY RULED....
“For Kempf’s benefit, however, we note that an individual’s belief that her status as a ‘sovereign citizen’ puts her beyond the jurisdiction of the courts ‘HAS NO CONCEIVABLE VALIDITY IN AMERICAN LAW.’”
brittboyer1 2 months ago
@justaman6972 • United States Court of Appeals, Tenth Circuit, Aug. 15, 2011...The panel pointed to United States v. Schneider, 910 F.2d 1569, 1570 (7th Cir. 1990), in its Kempf decision.
brittboyer1 2 months ago
@justaman6972 Sumpter County,FL,& Winsted,CT,March-April 2010: In April 2010,sovereign citizen B. J. Whitaker was arrested in Winsted,CT,after an extensive search. Authorities had tracked him to CT following a March 25 incident in Sumpter County,FL,in which He allegedly shot 5X at a FL trooper while fleeing from a traffic stop.At his first court appearance after his capture,he challenged the court’s jurisdiction over him,explaining that he was a “sovereign,” not an “American citizen”.HE LOST!
brittboyer1 2 months ago
@justaman6972 Delaware County, Indiana, March 2010: Indiana sovereign citizen Brad Henry petitioned Delaware County officials to release him from annual property taxes because his house was an “embassy.” The county did not agree.
brittboyer1 2 months ago
@justaman6972 Kansas City, MO, Feb 2010: 3 sovereign citizens were sentenced to 5-6 years each in federal prison for participating in a conspiracy to use (as well as sell) fraudulent diplomatic credentials. A 4th def. Blake Bestol of WY, pleaded guilty and received probation. Goodyke also marketed similar license plates, complete with the seal of the Dept of State. In Sept 2007, Robinson tried to use his diplomatic ID card during a traffic stop in MO.
brittboyer1 2 months ago
I gues Keene is on its way to be free! Are a descendent of Patrick Henry?
GUALLACOL 3 months ago
What reason do you have not to provide ID?
nudzagbud 3 months ago
@nudzagbud: I rarely carry ID, unless I'm driving .
Why does a person have to have a reason?
Pafoofnik1 3 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 you do not need nor is it required to excerise your liberty/right to use the common ways / public roads / highways for private travel. No one is compelled to be licensed to employ a constitutionally protected right as it is unlawful to take a right,charge a fee and issue a license 4 rights to be excerscised, its actually unlawful for the govt. to do this, and they cannot turn a right into a crime, if they do it is void on its face as it is repugnant to the constitution PAX
justaman6972 2 months ago
@nudzagbud I can't speak for him, but my reason would be simple: because I don't have to by any law. If I don't have to do something, I reserve the right to not do it. Period.
Rayven10 2 months ago
@nudzagbud Your not required to.
localmonkey 2 months ago
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Actually if they have reasonable suspicion that you are a person for whom they have a warrant then you are required to produce identification. He didn't detain you because they were able to determine upon closer inspection that you were, in fact, not that person and thus no longer had reasonable suspicion you were a wanted individual.
Berelore 3 months ago
@Pafoofnik1:
Well in the state in which I am employed, it is illegally to not show sufficient evidence of who you are upon the request of a Law Enforcement Officer. It is a Class A Misd and punishable upon to and including $1,000 fine and a year in the county jail.
So to answer your question, yes I would arrest him for Obstruction of Governmental Operations (Non-Force) and Failure to Comply.
FireCaptMedic1606 3 months ago
@FireCaptMedic1606 said: "Well in the state in which I am employed, it is illegally to not show sufficient evidence of who you are upon the request of a Law Enforcement Officer."
I highly doubt this, unless you consider verbally giving a name and a few other bits of info as 'sufficient'. What state do you live in?
And said: "I would arrest him for Obstruction of Governmental Operations (Non-Force) and Failure to Comply." What state?
Or do you wish to talk about New Hampshire?
Pafoofnik1 3 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 It's not illegal if not in a vehicle. If on the street:
1) SAY NOTHING
2) SAY NOTHING, including Qs or As of any kind or any length
3) SAY NOTHING
Stay completely still until the officer leaves in frustration or arrests u illegally. Wait until he actually says "u r under arrest" & handcuffs u b4 entering vehicle. Go completely limp & b drug. Indubitably ull b released uncharged - remain silent the ENTIRE time! Then sue their ass for wrongful arrest, interrogation, detainment, etc.
musicalidea 3 months ago
@FireCaptMedic1606
Dude, Bullshit.
there is no federal law mandating that we must provide identification when asked by police.
In most states I should at least give a name.
l2ash 2 weeks ago
@l2ash
If you're not being detained (or you feel lack of probable cause to do so) I agree. Of course their bullshit, arresting you for 'disobeying a police officer'...'not providing ID to police officers when requested'... Of course they fail to mention they can't do any of that without probable cause, which they could care less about these days!
fmnma1 5 days ago
@l2ash You let me know what states! Please say Illinois! I was just interrogated by police outside of where I work. Their probable cause for asking to see id was there have been a lot of burglaries in this area!! this was after i told this guy i worked at this office! I feel completely violated and refused to show my id!! i didn't do anything and he says he has to "log" my info into the system? needless to say after about 10-15 minutes of harassment and threats.i showed my id. they wouldn't leav
hunnybunny1012 6 hours ago
Looks like a hippie'd be going to jail that day...had that Deputy been myself.
I'd of asked once for your ID, once you refused I'd of said 'Well you match the description of so and so. Turn around and place your hands behind your back.' That'd of been the end of the conversation. Then I would have ran your fingerprints through AFIS to determine your identity. Which after making an educated guess, I'm 100% assured I'd find your prints in the system.
Get a life and comply when the police ask fo
FireCaptMedic1606 3 months ago
@FireCaptMedic1606: So you open admit that you would unlawfully arrest someone for legally declining to ID himself.
Thank goodness we have laws to protect us all from people like you.
Pafoofnik1 3 months ago
I am 68 years old, when I was young most people liked and respected the police .Now these days most people hates despise and afraid of the police. what more can I say about law enforcement ,Police are armed and retarded they will hurt you they will kill you and they will get by with it. It takes police to have a police state. All police are taught from day one at the police academy to lie and put innocent people in jail that's why you cannot be a Christian and a policeman at the same time.
KYKIN44 4 months ago
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@KYKIN44
Yea cause lord knows Christians can't be hypocrites.
Berelore 3 months ago
its a good idea for everyone to get one of those hidden camers like a pen cam or one of the baseball caps with a cam in it then they can get evidence of the police tyranny without worrying about it being confiscated and being arested although its great to take a regular camera out to show em who is boss somtimes its smarter to be more covert about it
foxtrot1162 4 months ago
police are pirates they think they can do whatever they want we need to send them a message
archie977 4 months ago
This is why I don't carry ID around where I don't need it.
themeleed 5 months ago
I dont understand why you guys are such assholes. They're just trying to perform their duties as officers. I mean if you just show the i.d. they say ok cool, thanks. Makes no sense man.
todom180 5 months ago
@todom180 What duties are they performing to be asking for a law abiding citizen's ID for which he is not required to provide if he hasn't broken any laws??? Are they pro actively trying to look for a crime by running his name for warrants? Are cops supposed to randomly stop law abiding citizens and ask them for their credentials? Maybe in nazi germany....your papers please!!!
damiion666 4 months ago
@todom180 here is the problem.....(i used to think like you too.......it should not be made "easy or convenient" for the police to violate your rights. The police "just doing their job" should not be a valid excuse to erode the rights of united states citizens. In the years since the 9/11 terrorist attacks united states citizens have lost a huge chunk of their rights. Even small local police forces have become more like the military than your local trusted police
inkey2 4 months ago
cops dont want to protect you. they all want power and money. and they are there to keep the corupt in power as well
Stheadstev 5 months ago
You do not need to produce ID when you are not operating a motor vehicle and are just walking on a public street not committing any crime.
Chaoitcme 5 months ago
@Chaoitcme Unless you live in a State with a Stop and ID law. And then you are legally required to. Thankfully I don't live in one of those States.
RooksGambit 5 months ago
@RooksGambit That sounds like some Nazi bullshit.
Chaoitcme 5 months ago
Im glad these hippie liberals live back east...
coolsax64 5 months ago
Hahaha I love this stuff, used to live in Amherst, NH, keep up the good work.
maddog392 6 months ago
Nice slow motion at 2:35 of the 'student' getting schooled.
canaanav 6 months ago
cop just trying to do his job. you guys are scum assholes. I hope somone robs you and a cop just watches
WaRdOgBoBiE 6 months ago
@WaRdOgBoBiE and everytime you leave your house i hope you are stopped by cops everytime to show ID to prove who you are
stewpidaso26 6 months ago
@WaRdOgBoBiE The Nazi's "were just doing their job too".
RaytheonPwnsYou 5 months ago
Ah yes, because an officer checking the identity of a suspect is equivalent to murdering 6 million jews. Get off food stamps, worm.
sovreiy 5 months ago
@sovreiy Sorry but I work 50 hours a week on average. I don't need government hand outs. Show me your papers. Do you like the taste of the states dick? You must be an angry cop.
RaytheonPwnsYou 5 months ago
Keep your private life private, if your state isn't as pro gay rights as you'd like it's not my fault you hypochondriac. And by the way, when you don't act like a PERP, 99% of cops treat you like gold. Pity you'll never know what that's like.
sovreiy 5 months ago
@sovreiy Thats funny considering I've never been in handcuffs EVER. I have no record, nothing. Good try though. Grow up you fucking loser.
RaytheonPwnsYou 5 months ago
@WaRdOgBoBiE and alot of people think you are an asshole but we hold out hope you'll change. have a good weekend!
laidbackguy1972 5 months ago
haha poor cop was just doin his job. he was polite. i would have cooperated on that one.. thats just me..
CaptainProtonEIC 6 months ago
all this guy did was waste his own time to prove his rights...cool what an attention slut
MarioBrosClassic 7 months ago
@MarioBrosClassic
Yeah, same thing goes for Rosa Parks.
HappyBruiser2 6 months ago
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@MarioBrosClassic If you don't flex your rights they will be taken away.
mrhnm 6 months ago
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the cops do not know the law.
hahaha
hyylo 7 months ago
NEW HAMSHIRE STATE LAW 594:2 Questioning and Detaining Suspects. – A peace officer may stop any person abroad whom he has reason to suspect is committing, has committed or is about to commit a crime, and may demand of him his name, address, business abroad and where he is going.
Source. 1941, 163:2. RL 423:21. RSA 594:2. 1985, 255:2, eff. Jan. 1, 1986.
exporms 7 months ago
@exporms: Thanks for the info. The gentlemen gave ID at 00:56.
Pafoofnik1 7 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 just letting people know there rights and the law...that way people dont get caught up in a yelling match and get put away
exporms 7 months ago
@exporms he can demand all he wants
MarioBrosClassic 7 months ago
Its sad because the cop is just doing what he is told. He's not corrupt, the gov. is. They made a set of rules in favor of tyranny and anti-freedom in this corrupt system and part of that involves police training in which they are required to understand and follow these messed up laws or else they cannot become police officers. The Identification card (dog collar) problem is because of the gov. not the police.
Takiado 7 months ago
@Takiado: What 'rule' says I have to show ID on demand? What 'rule' says I am required to carry an identification card at all times?
Pafoofnik1 7 months ago
@Takiado so your saying if the cop is following a corrupt training lesson and knows it's corrupt then hes not because hes following that lesson i'm not sure what that means?
jct3636 7 months ago
whoi is russel canning
ihaveaverybadcold 7 months ago
Ridley is still alive? Hey, Ridley, do a tour in Afghanistan...for 2 years your alleged worth on the planet has been assessed and to no avail, none has been found, big shock! Punk comes to mind...how much money does your Daddy have? He still supports you?
BushMass 7 months ago
Way to act like a petulant child in front on a cop who was just trying to do his job and who exercised more patience than I would have in the face of your blatant stupidity if I were a cop. I would have just arrested your ass and assumed you to be the other guy for acting like that. Hope the next time you need a cop for an emergency he plays the whole "I'm not required to do that" game with you too.
Crazysight 8 months ago
@Crazysight said: "I would have just arrested your ass and assumed you to be the other guy for acting like that."
Then you would have been acting outside of the law. According to the U.S. Supreme Court, the pedestrian supplied identification at 00:56.
Research the court case "Hiibel" for more information.
Pafoofnik1 8 months ago
@Crazysight i'm not sure what you mean i've been on earth for 61 years and never needed a cop to save me from some so called emergency and they would be the last ones i'd call. people need to learn to protect themselfs and stop hopeing some white night will save them. besides if i want to get beat to death there are alot of other people to do it besides coppers. they have made you think you can't protect yourself the men today are geting more like bitchs everday and a person like won't help.
jct3636 7 months ago
? He's messing with a Sheriff. Sheriffs have like almost zero power outside of transporting prisoners and serving papers here in NH. Whooptie fucking Doo. And don't move to NH, your smelly hippy ways will fuck it up for the rest of us. And he did tell him his name....so what was the point of this?
amerique101 8 months ago
People in U.S. enjoy a Fifth Amendment right to remain silent there, doesrt, including the right to refuse ID just because some guy asks for it. The Supreme Court itself agreed in the case known as "Hiibel".
Thanks for the information about California. Doesn't really matter much about what I said though.
Pafoofnik1 8 months ago
Personally, I think you people are idiots. You would rather spend time in jail or prolong contacts with police just because you want to make a point. Fact is, your acting like spoiled children. In this case, the officer was quite nice, as if you do look like the person, you could be detained, and you could be arrested for the warrant. Later, after you spend half your life suing, the police will probably win based on reasonable action - your just stupid.
doesrt 8 months ago
@doesrt: So you consider someone exercising a right to be "acting like spoiled children"?
Pafoofnik1 8 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 Actually, I don't think he is exercising his right, I think the officer was a little slow on the uptake. In California, if you look reasonably like a person who has a warrant, the police can detain you to determine if you are in fact that person - as long as there are articulable facts that make it reasonable (as is in this case). Once detained, California law requires a person to ID or face arrest for obstruction. Actions like this make the police think you are the guy even more.
doesrt 8 months ago
@nodmessenger said "ur the fucking criminal!"
What did he do that illegal again?
Oh, that's right...
Nothing.
Pafoofnik1 9 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 what did the cop do that was wrong? qoute me the regulation that says he has to show his ID?
nodmessenger 8 months ago
@nodmessenger: Please read my comments again.
I never said the 'cop' did anything wrong.
I also never said a thing about the officer's requirement to show ID.
Pafoofnik1 8 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 I apologize, I meant to respond to some one else.
nodmessenger 8 months ago
@nodmessenger: No worries.
Pafoofnik1 8 months ago
ur the fucking criminal! all he is trying to do is his fucking job thats it but you gotta waste his time and waste tax payer dollars with your bull shit yeah you sure make a good point!
nodmessenger 9 months ago
@nodmessenger Lmao. By all means be a slave if you want to, but don't tell others to
tjohn1986 8 months ago
@tjohn1986 a save? how so? do you even know what a slave is, or are you just one of those cocky lazy fuckers.
nodmessenger 8 months ago
you want to flex your rights well so does he, there is NOTHING in writing stating he must show you his ID when you ask for it. they can play the same game that you wanna play with them
nodmessenger 9 months ago
if they ask for ID simply reply "Its Private"
benjammin420 9 months ago
BushMass---- if You are so willing to give up Your rights how about You go for a hike,, right the hell out of this country.
zipyote 9 months ago
Hey, Ridley, how about you hiking near the Iraq-Iran border! A fitting place for you to be! Or, a stroll through Afghanistan!
BushMass 9 months ago
They hate it when they can't play god don't they?
RobTzu 9 months ago
Fuck that! No one, no cop, not even the damn POTUS should be able to pull me over while on the sidewalk and ask for an I.D. if I am not harming anyone or myself!
TheBlackOnWhiteCrime 9 months ago
If it wasn't recorded, things might have been different.
john17972 9 months ago
you should start charging them for ur time!
then they might find something useful to do
slimchancejw 10 months ago
Why would you not give ID other than to be a pain in the ass. Grow up.
biggiantbaby 10 months ago
@biggiantbaby: Probably because some people like to use the rights we all enjoy.
Pafoofnik1 10 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 It would have cleared up the problem straight away, why be awkward?
biggiantbaby 10 months ago
@biggiantbaby: Why do you think I should give up my rights just to make someone elses job easier?
Pafoofnik1 10 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 It's people like you that make this world a worse place to live in.
biggiantbaby 9 months ago
@biggiantbaby: If that's what you think. Please allow me to retort in a like way:
It's people like you that made us create the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Pafoofnik1 9 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 It's people like you that make this world a worse place to live in. What's the point of ID if you don't have to show it? I'd rather show it than get falsely arrested because I look like someone else.
biggiantbaby 9 months ago
@biggiantbaby: What ID are you talking about?
Here's the list of all the identification I am required to carry in the U.S.:
1) None.
Any questions?
Pafoofnik1 9 months ago 60
@Pafoofnik1 My mistake. I wrongly assumed you had to carry some sort of ID, driving license, if driving or something, in case you need to verify your age.
biggiantbaby 9 months ago
@biggiantbaby: You almost always have to be in possession of a driver's license, if you are on public roads and are driving a vehicle that requires a license for example.
But just waking down the street? Nope. In fact , I jog nearly every evening. All I carry is Chapstick.
Pafoofnik1 9 months ago
@Pafoofnik1
You're exactly right. Unfortunately a buddy of mine spent 8 days in prison for "failure to produce a government issued ID" !?!
The tyranny continues...
HappyBruiser 9 months ago 13
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@HappyBruiser why is it tyranny? do you want criminals to be taken off the street when the police find them? how do the cops know what your record is or if you have warrents? you honestly want the police to take peoples word on it? when you say no and refuse it makes you look like your hiding something.if showing my id means criminals are taken off the street aggressively, then that is a right i will give up.9-11 changed everything,understand and adapt or be mad little pricks and trouble makers.
tommiedepew1 6 months ago
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@tommiedepew1: Not every one wants to give up the rights you are willing to give up.
Not everyone is going to give up their rights just because you want them to.
Pafoofnik1 6 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 You should have some form of Picture ID on you at all times. This to prove who you are. That's common sense...even if it isn't law.
kaiwarrior2000 8 months ago
@kaiwarrior2000: Courts have decided that my word is good. All I have to do is give my information verbally if an office requires it.
Besides, there's no room for a wallet when I'm jogging. 8-)
Pafoofnik1 8 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 I understand what you're saying there, all I'm saying is if you're in a situation and you need to prove your ID...if you have it you should show it, to prove who you are. If you don't have it for a good reason (like your example you're out jogging) then yes your word is good and I understand that too. But if you have it and need to prove it I don't see the point in refusing to show it just to prove your rights.
kaiwarrior2000 8 months ago
@kaiwarrior2000: OK. not sure why you think you should be telling me how to run my affairs here, so:
I have no desire nor requirement to prove my ID on demand. My state laws require that I verbally state my name and address or DOB, which I will do.
But he will have to arrest me for something else before he can require this. I'll make sure to remind him of this until this happens... and I have. (Never has been a problem.)
Having 'a point' is not a prerequisite to exercising a right.
Pafoofnik1 8 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 Ok so apparently you have a problem having a discussion or a back and forth debate with someone. I was merely stating my point and opinion and you're taking offence to it. Not sure what your problmen is and I'm not telling you how to run your affairs. Get some self-esteem and back bone man. I was merely having a discussion...take a pill...put your ID away...and relax.
kaiwarrior2000 8 months ago
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@kaiwarrior2000: OK. You made a comment to me saying things like"You should have some form of Picture ID on you at all times" and "you should show it, to prove who you are" and "I don't see the point in refusing to show it just to prove your rights."
I responded with my opinions of why I will not be following your suggestions.
Pafoofnik1 8 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 go to Arizona and tell the state government that
BeingNobody1956 8 months ago
@BeingNobody1956: Arizona state law agrees with me:
13-2412. Refusing to provide truthful name when lawfully detained; classification
"A. It is unlawful for a person, after being advised that the person's refusal to answer is unlawful, to fail or refuse to state the person's true full name on request of a peace officer who has lawfully detained the person based on reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, is committing or is about to commit a crime."
Pafoofnik1 8 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 well the news is not reporting the goings on in Arizona properly then because i have heard of recent legislation there that would require proof of identity so they can profile people. personally, i dont mind showing my id. i have nothing to hide, i am not trying to prove anything to anyone and no i am not a sheep. everything in life that i WANT to do, i CAN do, anytime i want and anyplace i want. hate to tell you this but "individuality" is just a concept, it isnt real
BeingNobody1956 8 months ago
@BeingNobody1956: I guess you are talking about the proposed immigration paper checking? I haven't kept up with it all, but it is my understanding that all the legislation does is require officers to _ask_ about immigration status during a stop. Nothing in it requires anyone to answer.
Yet another reason to just say no to questioning.
Of course you are free to show ID. I never said you couldn't. And I have never called anyone a sheep. However, I have called my sheep... sheep. And other things.
Pafoofnik1 8 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 How ever you must produce a Valid name and address
Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial Dist. Court (2004) 542 U.S. 177
nodmessenger 8 months ago
@nodmessenger I said that 5 comments ago.
But officers can only require ID if they are investigating criminal activity and if the state has passed enabling legislation... Not'on demand.'
Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial Dist. Court (2004) 542 U.S. 177
Pafoofnik1 8 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 NY requires everyone to carry ID on them (at least NYC)
serolog2 3 months ago
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@serolog2 said: "NY requires everyone to carry ID on them (at least NYC)"
I've heard about the same assertion for various other states and cities. Like the other times, no one has actually been able to cite a single applicable statute or case law that affirms it.
My guess is that neither will you. The question is, how will you respond when you realize that you are mistaken?
Pafoofnik1 3 months ago
@serolog2 It against the constituion for them to make that a law. If I lived in NYC I would challenge it.
james64468 3 months ago
@james64468 Good point. We just need to know where to start since probably about 50% of federal law violates the tenth amendment.
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billyjoejimbob75 10 months ago
FUCKIN PUNK PIGS! GET EDUCATED ON WHAT YOUR JOB REALLY IS YOU FUCKIN PUNK PUSSIES!
jmilitia77 10 months ago
In some cases the police can detain you if you match the description of a suspect.