"Then when Jesus came to know of their disbelief, he said: "Who will be my helpers in Allah's Cause?" Al-Hawariun (the disciples) said: "We are the helpers of Allah; we believe in Allah, and bear witness that we are Muslims (i.e. we submit to Allah)."
Our Lord! We believe in what You have sent down, and we follow the Messenger Jesus; so write us down among those who bear witness (to the truth ie; La ilaha ill-Allah - none has the right to be worshipped but Allah). - Surat 'Aal 'Imraan:52-53
"And I have come confirming that which was before me of the Taurat (Torah), and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you, and I have come to you with a proof from your Lord. So fear Allah and obey me." - Surat 'Aal 'Imraan:50
"And I have come confirming that which was before me of the Taurat (Torah), and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you, and I have come to you with a proof from your Lord. So fear Allah and obey me." - Surat 'Aal 'Imraan:50
"And will make him (Jesus) a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's Leave; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by Allah's Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe." - Surat 'Aal 'Imraan:49
"And He (Allah) will teach him ('Iesa (Jesus)) the Book and Al-Hikmah (i.e. the Sunnah, the faultless speech of the Prophets, wisdom, etc.), (and) the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)." - Surat 'Aal 'Imraan (Progeny of 'Imran):48
@Slaveofallahal3meen You are not far from truth here, James the leader of the ebionites, Jesus's brother did not drink, and prayed so much his knees were wore out. Mahummad had contact with the ebionite community in Medinia, may have even showed him the truth about Isa, or Jesus.
This question of "Paul's" words vs Yahshua's teaching always came up with my friendly discussion with Sunday Church pastors and when I would ask them: "Who is coming thru the clouds to save you, Yahshua or "Paul"? And they would suddenly go quiet..And I would add, "Then listen to Paul, for I will listen (If i have doubts in a certain issue) to Yahshua who will save me."
@newtubber77 The Nazarenes were devout Jews - like the Chassids now. This was Jesus sect. One of the apostles was "Simon the Zealot" so the Nazarenes must have been somewhat militant and Zionist with a goal of throwing the Romans out of Judea Sumeria and perhaps the entire Eastern Meditteranian. There would have been a natural antipathy with Paul as Paul was a Roman citizen. In Acts Paul must be saved from "The Jews" - these Jews were the Nazarenes. A Roman centurian saves Paul.
@newtubber77 I reject as many do Also 2nd Peter as a forgery along with many Scholars. Paul is the one mentioned that would try to deceive if possible the very elect. Nice to meet you brother!
@TheSpasticpunk, I've read most of the comments/replies you wrote here and i must say, you really do believe your theology is the right one. Is that by a godly attitude and from a heart that truly seeks the truth or just from someone in need of true guidance but is too proud to admit it and wave your hatred for Jesus and Paul just because your 'religion' has your priority?
@tuberobotto I have not a bit of hatred for Yehoshuah (יהושע)! Because I can't stand the person that did away with his teachings shows my faithfulness towards him. I use Yehoshuah's words not "MY" religion or the traditions of men like so many that call themselves followers of Yehoshuah(aka Jesus) but instead follow the very opposite of his teachings Like SAUL taught. That's being a wise and faithful slave then so be it.
And I would add that the Gospel of Luke may also be wrong, because Luke was on Paul's team. I also believe, like the Ebionites, that Matthew is the only true Gospel. The Jesus of John was a Gnostic, Peter was also apostate (in Matthew, he is never accepted back by Jesus) and he dictated Mark. So that leaves Matthew as the only one to trust.
@xander7ful Even Matthew was altered in transcribed Texts to create the Immaculate conception! Jesus was a man like us and showed that any man could follow the law and forget about the writings of the non prophets (Saul of Taurus) ! He did it as a man and he commanded us to take up our crosses and follow him in protest of this world and it's ruler. It's so simple a child gets it. The Law means Freedom- sins like Paul is a Burden that's why he complained about the THORN in his side :)
@MrsKevinsmith That's a bogus assumption. Their is a big difference between the Knowledge (Garden of Eden) and the Experience of evil (God Kicking them out on their asses!) To know something does not mean you will do it. You know if you step in front of a Train it will kill you you don't need to tell me god put you there to get run over or perhaps if your that stupid you haven't Evolved yet! Major Kudos to this discussion. Evil is the choice to commit, you see the LAW is NATURAL in all natures!
@clarkewi Your Right and The disciples of Jesus wanted PAUL DEAD! He Brought another Gospel of his own accord. His Vision on the road to Damascus was a Lie people need to read it again! The Problem is that the Generations of Jesus to David is Wrong according to the old Testament- go research it for yourself today!
@umaralansari NO It was for your sake I mention Them for people like you with Circular reasoning! Evidence and a repeatable phenomenon creates faith that the Laws of the universe will repeat them for me and you. Chicken little said the sky is falling.........
@umaralansari Historical Facts, What is yours? Stories that have been PROVEN wrong by Archeological Evidence? I can Sit in from of a Truck disguised as the road and have Faith it will not run me over because G@D will protect me because he said he would? I ask is it wise to have Blind faith or common sense based on known facts? I Take faith through logical deduction that I will type this and you will understand but I fear your Faith will keep you from understanding true HISTORY _FACTS
@855842 No not the only God Calls those who he choses he favors no man made named religion as you must know so research why Muslims are called that and where did god call them that, what from a Prophet? No Only the Voice of god can call any one to his will and by saying the only way you call The Almighty a liar peace now be unto you, you deserve it because you are still alive and more valuable than any dead man.
@clarkewi YES!! Christianity is a Big Lie! the true path that he said to follow was THE WAY and that's what the followers of God call themselves and they all have a new name by him or at least the Remnant of us do.
@TheSpasticpunk, Surely anyone who calls himself a believer should be led by the Holy Spirit for understanding and guidance and not rely on man's own wisdom for which the scriptures become irrelevant because it is spiritually discerned. Unless you reject the Holy Spirit as well whom Christ called the Comforter. If that be the case with you then we should leave you in your devices but know this, only God can make His truth clear to anyone who seeks it.
@tuberobotto Show me In "Jesus" words the guidance you speak of. Perhaps my words are undesirable to you but they are not Mystical it's so simple to obey the law and not to paganize it to modern day Babylon. What sins does a Blood sacrifice cover in the old testament- do you know?
@tuberobotto Paul is claimed to be the author of Ro, 1+ 2 Cor,Gal, Eph, Phil, Col, 1+2 Thess, 1 + 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, and Hebrews. We would expect such a pivotal character in the Bible and the author of the majority of the New Testament books to be able to keep his stories straight at least in such fundamental matters as how he became a Christian and was "saved." However, we can find in the Bible a sworn affidavit by Paul that he is guilty of fabrication.
@tuberobotto Paul was not moved by the Holy Spirit! He was a Liar ( His own words show this) and he was a Murderer (see above and the apostles in scripture). The truth is that there is a 4x4 ready to knock you in the face but you can't see it. I guess that's why Jesus talked in Parables so some would NEVER understand the truth. Pathetic for anyone to even mention Paul to be an apostle of Jesus when he went nearly 100% against Jesus's teachings! Paul was the 1st one Jesus warned against!!
@ETERNALTRUTHER You may sit bolt upright when I say this (I've seen your "video favourites") but I am dead serious when I say to you: study Islam if you sincerely believe in God and seek His Guidance without prejudice.
Islam keeps Christ's teachings while Paul rejects them. Islam reveres Jesus & Mary to the highest degree (a chapter of the Qur'an is dedicated to each of them) while maintaining that only God deserves worship, free of partners (idols, sons, daughters etc).
@ETERNALTRUTHER Yawn. If you're trying to get a rise out of me, you won't. If, on the other hand, you truly believe that "Jesuits control the world" and other such internet-spawned paranoia, then you need to take a serious reality check. Let's start with the basics: Islam goes back to the 7th century; the Jesuit order dates back to the 16th.
You need to go away & study. And you need to stop throwing stones. A sincere believer in God and Scripture is humble & open to dialogue. Can you be humble?
2nd Peter has been considered a Forgery since it was first looked at and compared with 1Peter. Jesus Said one would come among his "Chose" HIS Personal chosen and try to mislead them. Paul's account was that prophecy come true. They even tried to kill Paul and he had to be lifted out via a basket to remind you! Many Many Things were recorded along with 31 other Gospels so why were they left out etc.. Enoch was left out in newer editions. Despite the lie the truth holds up. Jesus said keep law!
@Torahrevival .. So if Paul was false, would you consider him a bully of the apostles is why he was accepted? Even in the book of Peter, it talks about how Paul was accepted by him and the elders in Jerusalem. If he were false, why would this be recorded? Also the nazarenes accepted Paul, but not the ebionites who had possible Essene influence
The difference between the desert and the promised land, is the difference between the first and second ressurection of the dead. It is the difference, of being obedient to the commandments + having the faith in Jesus, and fulfilling God's destiny for your life revealed by the Holy Spirit. Not transgressing the law but superseding it by only doing good, like Jesus and our beloved brother Paul taught. Paul urges us on to have a desire to become the ones of the 1st ressurection. Ruling with Christ
You made that all the way up which is a tell tale trait of Paulianity. Superceding the Law of Yah by doing only good?? wow. Our righteousness (good deeds) are as rags. Yahushua spoke the WORDS OF THE FATHER and he said Heaven and Earth shall pass but MY WORD will not pass. Among MANY other words He spoke... the Torah is the WORD OF YAH.
You misunderstand me. I'm talking keeping the law and then some. See my other comments. It's about dying to self, leaving everything for Christ sake, loosing your life, sacrficing yourself for the Kingdom's sake, not just keeping the law. The law is the foundation, but living the life according to the promptings of the Holy Spirit, fulfilling God's destiny for your life, that's what gets you high eternal rewards, that's what Jesus and Paul taught, that's what pleases God. The law is foundation!
leave it to you to interpret the first ressurrection (those beheaded for the witness of Yahushua and the Word of Yah) as some super spiritual psycho babble. These are plainly Yahs servants that have been KILLED physically by beheading. Not surprisingly you have NO scriptures to back you up except Paul's.
If just the Torah is the Word of Yah, then how about the teachings of the Word made flesh. How about the Gospels, how about revelation. Who was doing most of the talking in revelation? Are you so paranoid that you think it is all false teaching, as prophecy is being fulfilled right before our very eyes. The whole Bible is the Word of God, attacking any part of it through lack of knowledge, is arrogant pride. Get filled with the Holy Spirit and let the truth set you free!
oh so now you cant read. Did I say "JUST" anywhere? in fact I said "AMONG MANY OTHER WORDS". At least TRY to keep it honest k? Paul is in NO way comparable to the Torah, the Prophets, or Yahushua. Its not my fault he twisted scriptures, and made up a doctrine comparable to Mithraism and you decided to believe him SIMPLY because he was placed in the bible. You do not understand the truth because the truth is not in you.
If ever you see a video from me or a comment that says I think revelations is false THEN you can make that accusation. You have not so don't try to put words in my mouth because you are frustrated.
You eplicitly stated that Torah is the WORD OF YAH, which I fully agree with ofcourse. Excuse me for misunderstanding you on this. To make things clear, what do you see as inspired then?
as I have stated several times The Torah, the prophets including John in Revelations, and Yahushua are the standards I hold all other words to. The reason being continuity. They NEVER contradict one another. In ALL of them the Law is upheld and while you keep asserting that somehow I don't revere Yahushua that is not the case. I revere his teachings and his atonement work.. I simply don't believe that his death undid the work of his life.
James as a true apostle taught that faith without works is dead.. and refuted Paul's claim that Abraham was saved by faith alone. 1&2 Peter were not written by Peter. They contain several scriptures of Pauls epistles not to mention the fact that they were written by Silvanus... who was a disciple of Paul.
Yes, an obedient Spirit filled life will probably get you prosecuted, enprisoned or killed. Like Paul. Paul was a great man of Yah. You just don't understand him, like Peter said.
All the great man of Yah, did more then just keeping the commandments. Paul kept the commandments, but for salvations sake sometimes did not. Like Rahab, she lied but for a higher purpose, and she did not perish because of her FAITH!
baaad example. 1.Rahab was a harlot of Jericho to begin with... NOT a hebrew "apostle". 2.Being an inhabitant of Jericho she did not follow the Law... (obviously as she was a harlot)... perhaps even had never been taught the Law. 3. If it was Yah's will to protect the spies... he would have done so inspite of her lie. 4.He did not reward her for her lying he protected her in spite of it. 5. To say Paul transgressed the law for salvations sake as a supposedly Torah observant Hebrew is oxymoronic.
I knew you would come up with these points. She was still saved because she believed God, not because she kept any laws.
What is more important, fuzzing over some food law or day of rest, or telling people about the power of salvation through the blood of Jesus, so they can receive His precious Holy Spirit?
When people get born again, then you give them milk to grow and mature, until they are ready for meat. People have to grow in understanding. Your stuff is to heavy for lost people.
ok. She did not simply have faith her WORKS were that she hid the spies... her method of doing so notwithstanding. By your "logic" it is ok to lie as long as its for God. When he healed sick people what did he tell them? "Go and SIN no more". AGAIN for the last time: Biblical definition of sin is TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW. People who really want to follow the Most High want to learn His Laws.
Yes! Faith and works, but in that order. Not fulfilling God's destiny for your life according to the promptings of the Holy Spirit is also a sin. My concern for your kind of faith is that you won't make it in, considering that John the Baptist is called least in the Kingdom. (Matth 11:11) By saying this, Jesus taught how powerful His blood is. Paul understood this. We are to reflect the unconditional love of God through impartation of the Holy Spirit. Faith working through love in action.
Im not concerned with your idea of "my" faith. Im more intrigued by your twisting of scripture to mean what it does not. He said men born of WOMEN... meaning ALL men who are born of women. the Heavens (greek: ouranos) Here refers to the Dwelling place of Yah. The least there are greater than him. He ALSO said John was Elias... whom we know was one of the greatest prophets who ever lived. You all are so wrapped up in "gifts" "signs" "wonders" and "impartations" you are bordering on mysticism.
Total life change through impartation of the Holy Spirit, and noticing the hand of God in your life has nothing to do with seeking a sign or being mystic. It is just God's desire to make himself known, and affirming you, that you are on the right way.
Mysticism does do the same, but it is satan's way of copying God. If it is not the Holy Spirit then it is an evil deceiving spirit, that can easily be tested through God's Word as measuring stick.
If He was is one of the least. We should supersede the life of John, because we have greater revelation of Christ death and ressurection. That's why we can not be his disciples unless we give it all up. That is the higher calling which does require faith, courage obedience and trust. This requires complete selfsacrifice and humulity for a higher purpose. Paul did it and encouraged people through his example to do the same. That's what positions you in heaven and gives you eternal rewards.
nonsense. John knew who Yahushua was as soon as he saw Him. Something you couldn't do with all of your "revelations". John also knew Messiah's purpose AND about the comforter whom Messiah had not even spoken of. His death did not replace or supercede the work of his life. Paul taught the mystery religious belief, which is not surprising given his Roman upbringing, that a violent death divinized the followers... JUST LIKE MITHRAISM... and all the mystery religions that spawned from it.
on the other hand, Messiah taught obedience to the Law to gain salvation. If YOU were right then ALL of the Patriarchs were not "saved" because they didn't believe in "Jesus".
John knew the concept, but he did not see the fulfillment of it all. The apostles did, and therefore had a higher calling. We know what the apostles knew, but are we doing what they did, do we follow and give up our comfortable life for Christ sake, do we deny ourself for the higher purpose.
Paul taught Holy Ghost possesion, so He can lead and guide you. That's why Jesus came, that's the spiritual force that gives you the love, strength and wisdom, to fulfill God's destiny for your life.
That is extremely interesting... seeing as the Spirit came well before Paul hit the scene. Even stranger is that there is no account or evidence of Him ever being filled with the Comforter or Holy Ghost... yet he supposedly had a higher knowledge of it's power and purpose than those who actually were there on the day of Pentecost.
False prophets will do "extraordinary miracles" too. I find it hard to believe that Paul is a better "Holy Spirit teacher" than the Holy Spirit Himself... but ok. Resist devil and he will flee from you seems to be pretty sound advice to me. Simple... uncomplicated... in line with the scriptures. I'll stick with that. Thanks.
My main concern is where does the Paul bashing end. Did Luke follow a satanic false teacher, so you start doubting the gospel of Luke and Acts, and Peter. Their writings are of a later date then most of Paul's letters, and nowhere they rebuked him, because he was one of the good guys. When people want to use scripture out of context for their own destruction, then it's their loss. I focus on Jesus, and God's commandments, and see the life and teaching of the apostles as a source of inspitarion.
And you do all of that by ignoring the facts. I don't care how you feel about Paul-bashing as you call it... I don't worship Paul. Truth is truth and does not need lies or a liar to prove or vindicate it. Paul was a liar... therefore his teachings are null and void. There is ONE way to the Father... Yahushua. His teachings and the teachings of the Apostles HE appointed along with the Law and the Prophets are the only references needed
The fact that The Council of Nicea disregarded any other books and chose more than 13 Paul inspired books INCLUDING 1&2 Peter which were not written or dictated by Peter but by Silvanus... a follower of Paul... makes no difference to me. The Council of Nicea is not the end all be all authority on the Word of Yah... they were just Roman puppets. You keep following their blueprint and see where it leads you.
I'm assuming you connect Nicea with the Catholic church right? But why does Rome everything against, the book they supposedly have manipulated. Why do they use the Alexandrian version, instead of the Textus Receptus. Why would they override the Word with their own doctrine like all the cults do. Why were Catholics forbidden to read the Bible?
Maybe God put Galatians in to separate the sheep from the goat. I use it to push myself to a higher level of obedience, because I see the intention
Im connecting Nicea to Catholicism AND Christianity as it is nothing more than a spin off of Catholicism. You disagree? WHY then do Christians worship on the "venerable day of the sun" and not the sabbath as commanded by Yah? Why then do Christians disregard the Holy Days and celebrate pagan holidays instead? Nicea DID select the canonical books of the Bible did it not? The original texts are hidden away in the Vatican and only are available to the Vatican.
Catholicism is a satanic cult, probably started by Simon the sourcerer. They still have child sacrfices in the basement. They get their enlightment from Lucifer, and they are the whore of revelation 17. The protestant movement was totally opposite, but they were infiltrated by the Jesuits, the Masons and the Church of Satan, causing lukewarmness. People are blinded for the truth, because they don't read their Bible which reveals the wicked ways of satans institutions. Paul was not one of them!
While that story has more holes in it than swiss cheese... Im not going to blast it just yet. You still haven't answered my question. Is it your assertion then that the Jesuits made christians worship on Sunday? Was Constantin then a Jesuit as it was he who made the declaration to change the Sabbath? By historical account he was Catholic. Now Jesuits invented the "secret rapture of the church" but that was already after Christianity had been WELL established at ANTIOCH.
Also noteworthy Is Paul's disregard of Yahushua's commandment in regard to "spiritual Fathers". Call no man on earth your (spiritual) Father... which is something Catholics are fond of being called. A trend started by PAUL.
1 Cor 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet [have ye] not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU (I have become your father) through the gospel. 4:17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son,..."
don't mean to post AGAIN but i guess I cant add the link. Ramohog... google
"Vatican Pope: Pauline Year Begins". Its a thrilling love story of how Paul's life and message brought the Catholic Pope and all of the Christian Patriarchy together to hold hands and sing Kumba... well not YAH. Paul is the glue that holds this madness together. Im sorry you would rather follow his voice than that of Messiah.
Your linking these damnable heresies to Paul, but it is people twisting his words, and the word of God, to make Christianity look bad. That is Satan's job. I agree that Christianity has been corrupted into an apostate religion, as prophecized, but it is because of false teaching and misunderstanding the Bible. Not because of what Paul wrote. Only when you take him out of context, and the N.T. out of context.
God's Word clarifies itself, only the ignorant blind refuse to see.
simmer down. You are getting upset because you cant prove me wrong. That is not the point of this exercise. The point is The word of Paul is not consistent with the Word of Yahushua. That is a fact. I'm sorry that your beloved Paul is the source of these damnable heresies but all roads point to him. Had he not opened the door... none of this nonsense would have been able to occur. That was his mission to sow tares among the wheat. You have to sow them in the same field for it to be effective.
Its a damnable heresy to think that Yahushua did not show us the way to salvation... and send the comforter to lead us and guide us along that way... but instead needed Paul to "interpret" His death. That is nonsense and offensive in and of itself. Yahushua spoke for Himself. The Apostles didn't teach new doctrines. They simply taught His words as HE said them. Paul came with His own doctrine He got from an angel of light. nuff said.
Jesus is the cornerstone. The Holy Spirit is the builder. Paul added a lot of revelation knowledge for us to verify, what the Holy Spirit is all about. The Holy Spirit is the seal of God and vital for salvation, the rest is up to us. We will be judged accordingly, but atleast we are in.
We are saved by grace, like the Isrealites were saved by grace through the blood.
Great Paul quote... Angel of light. You lack understanding. My people are destroyed by lack of knowledge
The SEAL of His disciples is on those who keep His commandments and the testimony of Yahushua
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF YAH, AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF YAHUSHUA HA'MESSHIAC.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF YAH, AND THE FAITH OF YAHUSHUA HA'MESSHIAC.
Isa 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.
I delight in the commandments, because I have received the seal of the Holy Spirit, which came through faith in the blood. I could never have earned it! Thanks and God Bless
The seal of God in the O.T. is when they were brought out of slavery through the blood of the lamb. The celebration and the remembrence was their seal at the time, pointing to the blood of Jesus, taking us out of the bondage of sin through the power of the Holy Spirit. This is the same seal we need for the end time judgement.
uh huh... fascinating revelation...and how exactly does that negate revelations and Isaiah CLEARLY stating that the Saints and the Seed of the Woman and the disciples of Yahushua do these two things... ahem...
Ex 13:9 And it shall serve as a sign to you on your hand, and as a reminder on your forehead, that the law of the LORD may be in your mouth; for with a powerful hand the LORD brought you out of Egypt.
I also agree with you, because I always use these verses against lawlessness (rev 12:17 and 14:12) The Holy Spirit comes through faith in Jesus, and He gives you the desire to keep the commandments.
We both agree on this, but we disagree about the way to it. John 3:3 and 3:16 are vital!
Again... I am not discounting those scriptures.. it is the prevalent christian interpretation that Im discounting. If you are "born from above" you receive the comforter or spirit of truth. THAT I agree with. If you believe in the Messiah... you not only believe in His death... but His WORDS. Christians focus solely on His death as introduced by Paul. Again in His life he made it quite clear that salvation or life is gained through obedience to the Commandments of Yah.
IF eternal Life was just free gift with no link to obedience anyone and everyone would have it. However, Yahushua states Mat 7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that FIND it. If the Bible and all of it's books were the word of Yah ANYONE who reads it will find The Way. As it stands that is not true. True seekers will FIND The Way because it is very unpopular as opposed to today's saved by grace doctrine which is all the rage.
The Way is not preached in the masses of Christianity... which are the spawns of Paul. Honestly, more sermons nowadays come from the NT specifically Pauline Epistles than ANY other portion of the Bible. His way is not narrow. It is BROAD and well received... even among the "evil" Catholics. Why? It teaches subservience to leaders. Women subservient to men. Men subservient to Church leaders. Church leaders subservient to government. Messiah teaches equality and subservience to YAH alone.
I understand that you mean well... but to treat a disease you can't just treat the symptoms like Apostasy and Signs and Wonder chasing and false doctrine teaching. You have to expose the source... and deal with it. Paul is that source. These false teachers, try as they might, cannot twist the words of Yahushua... some try rather unsuccessfully. Paul on the other hand is already twisting scriptures from jump. All they are doing is adding to the confusion HE introduced.
We have to keep the moral law now, basicly covered by the 10 commandments. Jesus mission was to prioritize things and narrowed it down to 2. Love God 1 to 4 ,and love your neighbor 5 to 10. The rest of the law are recommendation for life still honourable but not vital.
All the blood shed laws were (temporary) done away with. Without understanding, it seems to contradict with Matth 5:19. The Bible is a on going revelation. You are misunderstanding God's salvation plan.
Yahushua's mission was to teach us how to follow the Law correctly without the traditions of men the Pharisees added to it. Its funny how Yahushua summed them up in two steps... Love Yah and your neighbor and Paul summed them up as simply love your neighbor. Now while you may or may not observe the sabbath MOST Pauline Christians do not. To love Yah as Yahushua said we must do what again? KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. His plan did not include making a liar out of Yah.
Jesus indicated His saving power on the Cross, when He saved the sinner next to Him that believed. God loves. He desires to save people, for everybody who accept His Son confirmed with a set apart Spirit. We are to produce good fruit, meaning saving souls for the Kingdom, so He can bring in the harvest when He comes again. We do need to abstain from certain things, forgive, live in purity and walk in love. We have a set apart Spirit that seperates us from the world. Satan can't control that.
The sinner on the cross did not repent. He just acknowledged that he was a criminal and that Jesus was not, and he only said, think of me when you enter your kingdom. The loving grace and mercy of Jesus said, you will be with me in Paradise. Just because he recognized the purpose and the divine nature of Jesus enduring the Cross.
"The sinner on the cross did not repent. He just acknowledged that he was a criminal and that Jesus was not, and he only said, think of me when you enter your kingdom."
What exactly do you think repentance is? By all accounts it is acknowledgment that one has sinned.
He did exactly what the publican did in the parable of Luke 18
Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as [his] eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, GOD BE MERCIFUL TO ME A SINNER.
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified [rather] than the other:
The example of the sinner on the cross is showing us that we are saved by grace through faith, not by our actions and good deeds, same way with the publican.
Confess, repent, believe, receive that's what will save you. Once you are born again, then the Holy Spirit won't let you go. Same way with Jewish civil law, when you adopt a child, then the child can never be disowned. Once your born again you are adopted into God's family, and then the sanctification, maturing process starts.
well thats a nice little chant but it doesn't hold up to the scriptures.
For starters to say "you can never be disowned" directly contradicts Yahushua in Revelations.
Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
To my opinion, when you are truly born again, then you are saved for eterninty, because Jesus will take care of His sheep, and have been given the power from the Comforter to endure, as we know that this life is the dress up room for everlasting life with God. We just need to pass the test, study the book, understand what is means and apply it to life. We can judge the tree by it's fruit, but only God knows if we are truly born from above!
@Ramohog Then why is there an unforgivable sin. If you don't keep law you have no protection from the law and Jesus said in (Matthew 5:18-20) For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass
away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is
accomplished. You cannot follow Paul and Jesus they taught entirely different things!Paul said in (Romans 7:6) But now we are discharged from the law etc... How are you going to Follow Man or G@D? Repent means to change ur mind Repent!
@TheSpas Unforgivable sin is when you reject the Holy Spirit once you have received Him, and in fact destroy your own temple. We receive the Holy Spirit by faith in the shed blood of Jesus. The law is not of faith but is a matter of obedience which will bring blessing and eternal rewards. It's a priority issue, that why Paul said "Do we make void the law through faith.... God forbid", Do we sin so grace may abound.... God forbid" I do love the law, but there is no condemnation who are in Christ!
@Ramohog So tell me Johns Disciples were not Born again as they turned to the Law and Repented (it means to change your mind btw). Jesus was no saved from grace nor are you! The Law is the only saving! The Blood Sacrifice the Jesus took away when the Temple Tent torn open where they gave the blood was for only one sin covering! Know what Blood Sacrifice Covers:? Look it up It only Covers the sins you had NO KNOWLEDGE of committing. Story over your still in sin if not following the law! STUDY!!
ahh yes... I forgot how Paul loved to glory in the cross... and now it's graven image has become the very standard for Christianity. A church just isn't a church without a few crosses Let me ask you something... Do you think Yah glories in the very instrument used to Kill His messenger? Or would He consider it an abomination?
The Cross is the key that opens the door to eternal life. The cross of Jesus is the cross of self-sacrifice, devotion to truth without denying it even unto the last breath, and a foundation of strength, endurance, and suffering for what is right.
The only way to heaven is to realise that Jesus died on that cross for our sins, so we might be saved.
The greatest act of love in the history of mankind. Something we should never forget!
Well while I agree that laying down his life was the greatest act of Love... I'd have to say that revering the cross and making graven images of it is still wrong. None of it would have been possible if the Father had not planned it from the beginning. We should be worshipping the Father for sending Him not worshipping the cross for killing Him.
I think very few born again Christian's worship the Cross. We honour the Father by honouring the Son. Who has been given authority over heaven and earth to judge the living and the dead. It all links to the Father, because without Him nothing would even exist. HalleluYah!
well now that depends on how you look at it. Crosses are a staple in Christian churches... as if it is excluded from the term "graven image". It is the most esteemed symbol of Christianity... thanks to Paul's glorying. Later... it became the symbol that Constantine felt he need to conquer in. Today it sits atop churches both Catholic and Christian... it adorns Bibles... pulpits... and sanctuaries everywhere. It has become an idol... whether Christians admit it or not.
@Ramohog The Cross is a Graven Image and automatically makes it in Violation of the law that's why he was hung from it! The only way as Jesus said is to pick up your cross and follow him and he also said to keep the law until heaven and hell pass away. So I guess you don't believe there is a Heaven and Hell any longer!? By your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned right? Your do the Condemning of people that disagree with Paulus theology!
Don't worry about me. I'm having fun! People will always find something. Jewish people don't even agree, muslims can't get their stories straight. Paul is an easy target, because his writing are spiritual, and need spiritual discernment. Satan loves to attack it because people lack understanding.
You really think Paul is burning in Hell, as he was fullfilling God's destiny for his life. You are in for a surprise when you die or when Jesus is coming back.
Well we shall see. Fact being... you have to make up excuses that are not biblically based to defend the man. That should tell you something. I am not defending the "Jewish" faith as Im not Jewish. Im not defending the Muslim faith as I'm not Muslim. I am defending the Word of Yahushua the ONLY way to the Father Yahuah. Word of advice... Come Out of Her lest you partake in Her iniquities.
Come out of her is for the Catholic (mother) church, that make it almost impossible to get born again, because of their traditions and doctrine overriding the Bible. It is for all the cult religions, that oppose the Bible with their own doctrine.
repost... Um yeah I was just thinking... Catholicism didn't exist historically during the reign of Constantin... he converted to Pauline Christianity. (In word not in deed). From that vantage point... I'd have to say old chap that as Christianity began in ANTIOCH with Paul not Jerusalem where the 12 were... logically... Pauline Christianity spawned the Catholic church and not the other way around.
Paul focussed on getting people filled with the Spirit. The Catholic church does not, so it is no where near the teachings of Paul. I know because I was born and raised Catholic, until I got born again, thank God.
I agree with you on this one. It was a figure of speech. Paul did not have the gospels to memorize. The Catholic does have the gospels, so they are ignoring the Word of God, but that's what they do as a religion.
Paul did not need to have the gospels on hand if He were truly sent by Yahushua. The Messiah would not lead him to teach the opposite of what HE taught. In any case the Apostles were still around but he refused to learn from them as he was too busy trying to be seen as on the same level they were.
did you also notice that he said we have tens of thousands of teachers? Another blatant contradiction as Yahushua ALSO stated we are not to be called Rabbi which means teacher/master/leader for we have ONE master who is in Heaven. According to Paul.. we have tens of thousands. Thanks to Paul we have all types of "church leaders" and consequently prosperity gospel churches that were NEVER sanctioned by the Messiah.
Uh... did you miss the word NOT that comes after the word "Let"? Let NOT many of you become teachers, my brethren (not my children, not my students) knowing that as such we will incur stricter judgement. As such what does that mean? As becoming "teachers" we incur stricter judgement. Funny how even THAT statement contradicts Pauls claim that we have tens of thousands of instructors in Christ.
James still mentioned teachers. Paul understood the concept of maturing and developing in Christ. He backed it up with babies, children and parents as a figure if speech. When we are born again we are still spiritual babies that fall and need help.
yeah he says NOT to become leaders of men... lest you receive stricter judgement. Yes there were Elders... people who had been walking in The Way longer and could help those who had questions on how to follow the law... but they were not Pastors, Bishops, Deacons, etc. I find that "babies" analogy hard to agree with. The Holy Spirit dwells in ALL who are "born from above". In all thy ways acknowledge HIM and HE shall direct thy path... not reverend so and so... HE will.
The story has holes in it, because you can write a whole book about it. A Catholic is not a Christian. Changing the Sabbath should never have happened, and there is no where in the N.T. that promotes that. It developed because of man made traditions. The Catholics are the present day Farisees. Jesus is Lord and He said I'm Lord of the Sabbath, that totally seals that discussion. It's not Paul's fault.
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:... If the Sabbath was done away with or was on any day we wish then there would be no need for such a prayer. Paul on the other hand said "some esteem one day over another but basically make up your own mind. Present day Pharisees are people who don't believe the Messiah has come. The Catholics hardly fit that description.
Spiritual Pharisees, are people that hold traditions of man and church doctrine, over God's Word. They have the same hypocritical mind set. Sabbath is not debatable it's a clear as can be. Paul honored the sabbath, but keeping the sabbath does not make you righteous, but righteous people keep the sabbath and do not forsake the assembly of believers.
A lot of Christian Pastors, preachers, evangelists, etc FIT THAT BILL. They all know that for instance CHRISTMAS has NOTHING to do with the Messiah... yet... they say its ok... because its always been done. Same with Easter. Same with graven images of Crosses plastered all over their churches. Assembly of believers does NOT mean christian church. Where TWO or THREE are gathered in His name YAHUSHUA not "Jesus" THERE He will be also.
Paul says that we are to present ourselves as sacrifices... when The Most High specifically says he desires obedience and mercy rather than sacrifice.
1Sa 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD [as great] delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey [is] better than sacrifice, [and] to hearken than the fat of rams.
So while I agree that His Spirit dwells in His children, That Spirit will lead us into all truth... as spoken in the Torah, the Prophets, and Yahushua... NOT some newfangled religious doctrine that requires we break the Law given by the Most High. The Law does not save us but neither does simply having faith. Obedience to His commands which have not changed does. Grace gives us the opportunity to repent... something the angels that fell were not allowed to do.
Sacrifices, means giving up your own life for Christ sake, dying to self, following Christ and give up everything, otherwise you can not be my disciples. Luke 14:33 Matth 10:37 Loosing your life to gain it. That's what Paul meant!
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Sacrifice in that sense is already a part of the commandments. Paul when he DOES actually say something true... is only repeating what was already said by Messiah and the prophets.
Yah had nothing to do with Galatians. One book in particular is a bold face lie Galatians 2. Simply written to discredit Peter by asserting Paul confronted him to the face. Funny thing is... by Luke's account of the event... Peter was never in Antioch at all. Luke had no reason to lie... Paul did though. He needed the Galatians to turn from Peter's teachings which apparently were in line with the Law. Sheep follow Yahushua goats follow Paul. Narrow is the way to Truth and FEW that find it.
Fragmentation of facts is something Satan uses, so people loose the bigger picture. Some of the letters were written 20 years apart, under different circumstances and your nitpicking on a few words, causing doubt division and strife. The main thing is that Paul showed people the way to salvation, and got them filled with the Holy Spirit. When more people would teach and understand this principle, then we would not be in the mess that we are in. God desires to save people, that's why it's a gift
Fragmentation is something Paul was especially good at. taking a piece of one scripture and "pearl stringing" it along with a piece of another to prove his doctrine. If I cause someone to open their eyes and realize this Pauline version of salvation is false then GOOD. Im not interested in appearances, spreading heretical dogma, and political correctness. TRUTH IS: Yahushua showed us the way to salvation AND sent the comforter. Paul came under his own name and introduced mystery religion.
Paul was teaching salvation through faith in Jesus, which get's you born again through receiving the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit gives you the desire to do it God's way, and finally giving up your life, for a higher cause, following in Jesus being directed by the Comforter. I don't see any false teaching in that. Christianity turned it into false teaching, but that's not Paul's fault. It is because people never receive the Spirit, and reason themselves out of God's way to their own destruction
As to Luke... he was a HISTORIAN and a doctor by trade. He wrote according to what he saw and heard. Again in Acts 15 his objectivity serves to Paul's demise... as it is a completely opposing version of Galatians 2 where Paul tells HIS version of the meeting between he and the Apostles... and the ensuing details leading to the split with Barnabas.
There are many videos on YouTube about the Ebionites. They didn't have the "Gospel" of Luke, nor did they accept any of Paul's writings.
You might be surprised to learn that the Jerusalem Church was identified as "the Evyonim", Hebrew for "the poor". It's the same word transliterated "Ebionites". It's also a term that identifies the Dead Sea Scrolls community and its leader. Just a coincidence?
Poverty is a curse, and a character problem, often used as a false humility. Jesus wasn't poor. When the blessing is on you, it is impossible to stay in lack. Read your Bible, and get understanding!
Oh, so we're cooking up our own version of Christianity, are we?
If you weren't such a Bible-illiterate, you would know that prosperity as a sign of blessing is an Israelite doctrine, not a Christian one, which lauded the opposite.
You're the one who needs to study their Bible. Stop reading the "God books" and stick your nose in the Bible.
Your idea of "lost people" is simply people who have not come into the knowledge of Yahushua. While partially correct you fail to include the OTHER portion of "lost" people who feel as if the Law's of Yah and the words of Yahushua are of no account. As James said, you believe that there is one God but so do devils. Believe all you want but If you don't follow his commandments you are STILL lost.
My idea of lost people are people that never had the born again experience. People that never had a revelation of the unconditional love of God. Never accepted Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior. Never received the annointing power of the Holy Spirit. Never receiving the seal of God. Trying to earn their salvation, still blinded for the truth.
Those lost people, may they all come to repentance and receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit
Yah bless you too ahki. I'd like to do some more research on this Hebrew Matthew. The problem is that the Israelite, Torah-keeping believers in Yahoshua have been wiped-off the face of history. Their writings have been supressed or destroyed and their reputation has been destroyed by the early church fathers.
The image of God is made complete in Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Like 3D gives you the true depth of piece. They are a community in unity and diversity in both majesty and mystery. Please get understanding! Paul completely understood God's plan of salvation, the ebionites obviously did not. The Holy Spirit can only work through faith, the law becomes a guideline, not a way for salvation and justification. There is however blessing on keeping the law, and doing it God's way.
There is ONE Elohim. He is complete in and of himself. Yahushua and the Comforter are manifestations of Him... but there is only ONE. Yahushua never said Pray to me... he said to pray in this manner: Our FATHER who art in heaven. He also said: "... Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God."(Mark10:18)
Obedience to the Law of Yah is the way to salvation not the Law itself. We follow the commandments of Yah and have the Testimony of Yahushua. Rev 12:7
You are right, there is a clear distinction but the manifestations of Yah are co-eternal.
Why callest thou me good? Was a question, because the man did not know the true nature of Yahoshua, but it is safe to call Him good as well, and He is also worthy to be praised.
I got born again and filled with the Spirit without even knowing the law. The Holy Spirit gives you the desire to do it God's way and keep His commandments.
We are saved first then sanctified. First the root then the fruit
Well then you are the Christian exception. He that ENDURETH TO THE END shall be saved. MOST of us came into the knowledge of a savior BEFORE we knew the Laws. The difference between us and Christians is that we believe in Yahushua and we adhere not just to his atonement on the cross but his teachings as well. Those being the correct way to follow the law and not the Pharisidic legalistic additions to it. Christians simply believe that we are saved by grace without adhering to the Law.
I'd have to say that as the Father, Yahushua, and The Spirit of Truth are manifestations of ONE Elohim... there is no "co" involved. They are all part of ONE eternal Elohim.
The Isrealites were first brought out of slavery, then they received the law. Keeping the law guided them through the desert where God provided for them, then with courage, faith and trusting God some entered into the promised land. Notice that it was only a small group. Many are called few are chosen, without Holiness no one will see the Lord. He that overcometh will enter in. This life is a test for eternity. We have to read the book and apply it, then our reward will be great. Paul did it!!!
riiiiight. His students have a way of twisting the Bible to get the desired result just as He did. Tell me Ramohog... do you believe in the Essene gospel? Do you think it is inspired by Yah as well?
Where did I twist it? Please tell me. The O.T. is physical manifestation of what is going on in the spiritual realm. Paul revealed and understood this
I don't care what other people wrote. I believe that the entire Bible is the Word of God written one author... the Holy Spirit. That's why you need to have Him, so He can explain everything and lead you in all truth.
First of all They who entered Canaan were obedient. Those who did not were disobedient. Sin has and will always be transgression of the Law.
Oh you do care... you just don't know it. The entire chapter of Corinthians 13 is part of the Gnostic Essene gospel of peace. The also believe that we should worship mother Earth and that she sends us angels.
He does lead me into all truth apparently it is you who has blinders on.
Yes they were obedient in keeping the law, and doing God's will which required courage faith and trust, just keeping the law will keep you in the desert. Famine is equal to spiritual drought.
The Gnostics are a satanic cult mixing a whole lot of truth with some poison. It is satans job to copy and counterfit the Word of God.
You don't believe in Angels as covenant enforcing agents? Worshipping mother earth is foolishness.... satan always messes up somewhere. Fortunately we have the Bible!
The O.T. was still unfinsished with a lot of unanswered questions, that's why the Isrealites are still lost and still searching. All the answers are in the N.T. The book of revelation totally seales it. The Bible is an on going revelation of truth. End conclusion God is love, and we are to reflect the love of God, through the Holy Spirit in us. Love your enemies, only doing good, taking care for eachother, displaying the fruit of the Spirit. Keeping the love commandments. That is God's will
"The secret [things belong] unto the LORD our God: but those [things which are] revealed [belong] unto us and to our children for ever, that [we] may do all the words of this Torah." Deu 29:29
It would seem that the Creator revealed "all the words of this Torah".
Torah is the foundation for all thruth, there is still a word behing God's word, called revelation knowledge. This is revealed by the Holy Spirit that will lead you into all truth. The Holy Spirit searches the depths of God, and reveals some of the infinite wisdom of the Creator. You have to have a desire to know more, by spending time with Him in prayer, and listening what His spirit reveals to you. The Holy Spirit is very personal, and reveals God's will for your life. Torah is the foundation!
"Then when Jesus came to know of their disbelief, he said: "Who will be my helpers in Allah's Cause?" Al-Hawariun (the disciples) said: "We are the helpers of Allah; we believe in Allah, and bear witness that we are Muslims (i.e. we submit to Allah)."
Our Lord! We believe in what You have sent down, and we follow the Messenger Jesus; so write us down among those who bear witness (to the truth ie; La ilaha ill-Allah - none has the right to be worshipped but Allah). - Surat 'Aal 'Imraan:52-53
Slaveofallahal3meen 2 weeks ago
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"And I have come confirming that which was before me of the Taurat (Torah), and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you, and I have come to you with a proof from your Lord. So fear Allah and obey me." - Surat 'Aal 'Imraan:50
Slaveofallahal3meen 2 weeks ago
"And I have come confirming that which was before me of the Taurat (Torah), and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you, and I have come to you with a proof from your Lord. So fear Allah and obey me." - Surat 'Aal 'Imraan:50
Slaveofallahal3meen 2 weeks ago
"And will make him (Jesus) a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's Leave; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by Allah's Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe." - Surat 'Aal 'Imraan:49
Slaveofallahal3meen 2 weeks ago
"And He (Allah) will teach him ('Iesa (Jesus)) the Book and Al-Hikmah (i.e. the Sunnah, the faultless speech of the Prophets, wisdom, etc.), (and) the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)." - Surat 'Aal 'Imraan (Progeny of 'Imran):48
Slaveofallahal3meen 2 weeks ago
The Ebionites sound like Muslims
Slaveofallahal3meen 2 weeks ago
@Slaveofallahal3meen You are not far from truth here, James the leader of the ebionites, Jesus's brother did not drink, and prayed so much his knees were wore out. Mahummad had contact with the ebionite community in Medinia, may have even showed him the truth about Isa, or Jesus.
TheTruthseekerman 1 week ago
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This question of "Paul's" words vs Yahshua's teaching always came up with my friendly discussion with Sunday Church pastors and when I would ask them: "Who is coming thru the clouds to save you, Yahshua or "Paul"? And they would suddenly go quiet..And I would add, "Then listen to Paul, for I will listen (If i have doubts in a certain issue) to Yahshua who will save me."
joseymaru 3 weeks ago
@newtubber77 You have good instincts. A young lady here on YT says that Yahweh told her in a dream that the books of Acts through Hebrews were false.
xander7ful 4 months ago
@newtubber77 The Nazarenes were devout Jews - like the Chassids now. This was Jesus sect. One of the apostles was "Simon the Zealot" so the Nazarenes must have been somewhat militant and Zionist with a goal of throwing the Romans out of Judea Sumeria and perhaps the entire Eastern Meditteranian. There would have been a natural antipathy with Paul as Paul was a Roman citizen. In Acts Paul must be saved from "The Jews" - these Jews were the Nazarenes. A Roman centurian saves Paul.
clarkewi 4 months ago
@newtubber77 I reject as many do Also 2nd Peter as a forgery along with many Scholars. Paul is the one mentioned that would try to deceive if possible the very elect. Nice to meet you brother!
TheSpasticpunk 4 months ago
@TheSpasticpunk, I've read most of the comments/replies you wrote here and i must say, you really do believe your theology is the right one. Is that by a godly attitude and from a heart that truly seeks the truth or just from someone in need of true guidance but is too proud to admit it and wave your hatred for Jesus and Paul just because your 'religion' has your priority?
tuberobotto 3 months ago
@tuberobotto I have not a bit of hatred for Yehoshuah (יהושע)! Because I can't stand the person that did away with his teachings shows my faithfulness towards him. I use Yehoshuah's words not "MY" religion or the traditions of men like so many that call themselves followers of Yehoshuah(aka Jesus) but instead follow the very opposite of his teachings Like SAUL taught. That's being a wise and faithful slave then so be it.
mespasticpunk 3 months ago
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@newtubber77 How can you believe in this faith when Joseph the Carpenter rejected Jesus being his biological son...
855842 4 months ago
@newtubber77 How can you believe in this faith when Joseph the Carpenter rejected Jesus being his biological son...
855842 4 months ago
@855842 That was a made up story and is not in the earliest of records!
TheSpasticpunk 4 months ago
And I would add that the Gospel of Luke may also be wrong, because Luke was on Paul's team. I also believe, like the Ebionites, that Matthew is the only true Gospel. The Jesus of John was a Gnostic, Peter was also apostate (in Matthew, he is never accepted back by Jesus) and he dictated Mark. So that leaves Matthew as the only one to trust.
xander7ful 4 months ago
@xander7ful Even Matthew was altered in transcribed Texts to create the Immaculate conception! Jesus was a man like us and showed that any man could follow the law and forget about the writings of the non prophets (Saul of Taurus) ! He did it as a man and he commanded us to take up our crosses and follow him in protest of this world and it's ruler. It's so simple a child gets it. The Law means Freedom- sins like Paul is a Burden that's why he complained about the THORN in his side :)
TheSpasticpunk 4 months ago
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MrsKevinsmith 6 months ago
@MrsKevinsmith That's a bogus assumption. Their is a big difference between the Knowledge (Garden of Eden) and the Experience of evil (God Kicking them out on their asses!) To know something does not mean you will do it. You know if you step in front of a Train it will kill you you don't need to tell me god put you there to get run over or perhaps if your that stupid you haven't Evolved yet! Major Kudos to this discussion. Evil is the choice to commit, you see the LAW is NATURAL in all natures!
TheSpasticpunk 4 months ago
@clarkewi Your Right and The disciples of Jesus wanted PAUL DEAD! He Brought another Gospel of his own accord. His Vision on the road to Damascus was a Lie people need to read it again! The Problem is that the Generations of Jesus to David is Wrong according to the old Testament- go research it for yourself today!
TheSpasticpunk 6 months ago
@newtubber77 Here Here!
TheSpasticpunk 6 months ago
@umaralansari NO It was for your sake I mention Them for people like you with Circular reasoning! Evidence and a repeatable phenomenon creates faith that the Laws of the universe will repeat them for me and you. Chicken little said the sky is falling.........
TheSpasticpunk 6 months ago
@umaralansari Historical Facts, What is yours? Stories that have been PROVEN wrong by Archeological Evidence? I can Sit in from of a Truck disguised as the road and have Faith it will not run me over because G@D will protect me because he said he would? I ask is it wise to have Blind faith or common sense based on known facts? I Take faith through logical deduction that I will type this and you will understand but I fear your Faith will keep you from understanding true HISTORY _FACTS
TheSpasticpunk 6 months ago
Islam is the only way of life
855842 7 months ago
@855842 No not the only God Calls those who he choses he favors no man made named religion as you must know so research why Muslims are called that and where did god call them that, what from a Prophet? No Only the Voice of god can call any one to his will and by saying the only way you call The Almighty a liar peace now be unto you, you deserve it because you are still alive and more valuable than any dead man.
TheSpasticpunk 4 months ago
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MrsKevinsmith 7 months ago
@MrsKevinsmith Certainly "Roman Christianity" is a pile.
clarkewi 7 months ago
@clarkewi YES!! Christianity is a Big Lie! the true path that he said to follow was THE WAY and that's what the followers of God call themselves and they all have a new name by him or at least the Remnant of us do.
TheSpasticpunk 4 months ago
@TheSpasticpunk, Surely anyone who calls himself a believer should be led by the Holy Spirit for understanding and guidance and not rely on man's own wisdom for which the scriptures become irrelevant because it is spiritually discerned. Unless you reject the Holy Spirit as well whom Christ called the Comforter. If that be the case with you then we should leave you in your devices but know this, only God can make His truth clear to anyone who seeks it.
tuberobotto 3 months ago
@tuberobotto Show me In "Jesus" words the guidance you speak of. Perhaps my words are undesirable to you but they are not Mystical it's so simple to obey the law and not to paganize it to modern day Babylon. What sins does a Blood sacrifice cover in the old testament- do you know?
mespasticpunk 3 months ago
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TheSpasticpunk 2 months ago
@tuberobotto Paul was not moved by the Holy Spirit! He was a Liar ( His own words show this) and he was a Murderer (see above and the apostles in scripture). The truth is that there is a 4x4 ready to knock you in the face but you can't see it. I guess that's why Jesus talked in Parables so some would NEVER understand the truth. Pathetic for anyone to even mention Paul to be an apostle of Jesus when he went nearly 100% against Jesus's teachings! Paul was the 1st one Jesus warned against!!
TheSpasticpunk 2 months ago
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MrsKevinsmith 7 months ago
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@MrsKevinsmith MANY ARE CALLED BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN YOU Found the "WAY"!
TheSpasticpunk 6 months ago
@ETERNALTRUTHER You may sit bolt upright when I say this (I've seen your "video favourites") but I am dead serious when I say to you: study Islam if you sincerely believe in God and seek His Guidance without prejudice.
Islam keeps Christ's teachings while Paul rejects them. Islam reveres Jesus & Mary to the highest degree (a chapter of the Qur'an is dedicated to each of them) while maintaining that only God deserves worship, free of partners (idols, sons, daughters etc).
See video 3INZ7ewubPM
umaralansari 9 months ago
@umaralansari --islam was created by jesuits and is oppressive and false...
ETERNALTRUTHER 7 months ago
@ETERNALTRUTHER Yawn. If you're trying to get a rise out of me, you won't. If, on the other hand, you truly believe that "Jesuits control the world" and other such internet-spawned paranoia, then you need to take a serious reality check. Let's start with the basics: Islam goes back to the 7th century; the Jesuit order dates back to the 16th.
You need to go away & study. And you need to stop throwing stones. A sincere believer in God and Scripture is humble & open to dialogue. Can you be humble?
umaralansari 7 months ago
2nd Peter has been considered a Forgery since it was first looked at and compared with 1Peter. Jesus Said one would come among his "Chose" HIS Personal chosen and try to mislead them. Paul's account was that prophecy come true. They even tried to kill Paul and he had to be lifted out via a basket to remind you! Many Many Things were recorded along with 31 other Gospels so why were they left out etc.. Enoch was left out in newer editions. Despite the lie the truth holds up. Jesus said keep law!
TheSpasticpunk 9 months ago
@Torahrevival .. So if Paul was false, would you consider him a bully of the apostles is why he was accepted? Even in the book of Peter, it talks about how Paul was accepted by him and the elders in Jerusalem. If he were false, why would this be recorded? Also the nazarenes accepted Paul, but not the ebionites who had possible Essene influence
FitnessMinded 10 months ago
I agree with your beliefs totally. Without those antitorah letters we all be keeping Torah.
Yah bless you and Shalom.
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the entire matter: Fear Elohim and guard His commands, for this applies to all mankind!
bojann79 3 years ago
Hey. Thanks for the comments - it's good to hear from like-minded people.
About these "Yahach" - I've never heard of this term before. Do you have any specific references in the DSS that speak about them?
Torahrevival 3 years ago
Another great video ahki! It just keeps getting clearer and clearer.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
Thanks ahk! There's more coming soon I think.
Torahrevival 3 years ago
The difference between the desert and the promised land, is the difference between the first and second ressurection of the dead. It is the difference, of being obedient to the commandments + having the faith in Jesus, and fulfilling God's destiny for your life revealed by the Holy Spirit. Not transgressing the law but superseding it by only doing good, like Jesus and our beloved brother Paul taught. Paul urges us on to have a desire to become the ones of the 1st ressurection. Ruling with Christ
Ramohog 3 years ago
You made that all the way up which is a tell tale trait of Paulianity. Superceding the Law of Yah by doing only good?? wow. Our righteousness (good deeds) are as rags. Yahushua spoke the WORDS OF THE FATHER and he said Heaven and Earth shall pass but MY WORD will not pass. Among MANY other words He spoke... the Torah is the WORD OF YAH.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
You misunderstand me. I'm talking keeping the law and then some. See my other comments. It's about dying to self, leaving everything for Christ sake, loosing your life, sacrficing yourself for the Kingdom's sake, not just keeping the law. The law is the foundation, but living the life according to the promptings of the Holy Spirit, fulfilling God's destiny for your life, that's what gets you high eternal rewards, that's what Jesus and Paul taught, that's what pleases God. The law is foundation!
Ramohog 3 years ago
leave it to you to interpret the first ressurrection (those beheaded for the witness of Yahushua and the Word of Yah) as some super spiritual psycho babble. These are plainly Yahs servants that have been KILLED physically by beheading. Not surprisingly you have NO scriptures to back you up except Paul's.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
If just the Torah is the Word of Yah, then how about the teachings of the Word made flesh. How about the Gospels, how about revelation. Who was doing most of the talking in revelation? Are you so paranoid that you think it is all false teaching, as prophecy is being fulfilled right before our very eyes. The whole Bible is the Word of God, attacking any part of it through lack of knowledge, is arrogant pride. Get filled with the Holy Spirit and let the truth set you free!
Ramohog 3 years ago
oh so now you cant read. Did I say "JUST" anywhere? in fact I said "AMONG MANY OTHER WORDS". At least TRY to keep it honest k? Paul is in NO way comparable to the Torah, the Prophets, or Yahushua. Its not my fault he twisted scriptures, and made up a doctrine comparable to Mithraism and you decided to believe him SIMPLY because he was placed in the bible. You do not understand the truth because the truth is not in you.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
If ever you see a video from me or a comment that says I think revelations is false THEN you can make that accusation. You have not so don't try to put words in my mouth because you are frustrated.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
You eplicitly stated that Torah is the WORD OF YAH, which I fully agree with ofcourse. Excuse me for misunderstanding you on this. To make things clear, what do you see as inspired then?
Ramohog 3 years ago
as I have stated several times The Torah, the prophets including John in Revelations, and Yahushua are the standards I hold all other words to. The reason being continuity. They NEVER contradict one another. In ALL of them the Law is upheld and while you keep asserting that somehow I don't revere Yahushua that is not the case. I revere his teachings and his atonement work.. I simply don't believe that his death undid the work of his life.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
James as a true apostle taught that faith without works is dead.. and refuted Paul's claim that Abraham was saved by faith alone. 1&2 Peter were not written by Peter. They contain several scriptures of Pauls epistles not to mention the fact that they were written by Silvanus... who was a disciple of Paul.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
Yes, an obedient Spirit filled life will probably get you prosecuted, enprisoned or killed. Like Paul. Paul was a great man of Yah. You just don't understand him, like Peter said.
All the great man of Yah, did more then just keeping the commandments. Paul kept the commandments, but for salvations sake sometimes did not. Like Rahab, she lied but for a higher purpose, and she did not perish because of her FAITH!
Ramohog 3 years ago
baaad example. 1.Rahab was a harlot of Jericho to begin with... NOT a hebrew "apostle". 2.Being an inhabitant of Jericho she did not follow the Law... (obviously as she was a harlot)... perhaps even had never been taught the Law. 3. If it was Yah's will to protect the spies... he would have done so inspite of her lie. 4.He did not reward her for her lying he protected her in spite of it. 5. To say Paul transgressed the law for salvations sake as a supposedly Torah observant Hebrew is oxymoronic.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
I knew you would come up with these points. She was still saved because she believed God, not because she kept any laws.
What is more important, fuzzing over some food law or day of rest, or telling people about the power of salvation through the blood of Jesus, so they can receive His precious Holy Spirit?
When people get born again, then you give them milk to grow and mature, until they are ready for meat. People have to grow in understanding. Your stuff is to heavy for lost people.
Ramohog 3 years ago
ok. She did not simply have faith her WORKS were that she hid the spies... her method of doing so notwithstanding. By your "logic" it is ok to lie as long as its for God. When he healed sick people what did he tell them? "Go and SIN no more". AGAIN for the last time: Biblical definition of sin is TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW. People who really want to follow the Most High want to learn His Laws.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
Yes! Faith and works, but in that order. Not fulfilling God's destiny for your life according to the promptings of the Holy Spirit is also a sin. My concern for your kind of faith is that you won't make it in, considering that John the Baptist is called least in the Kingdom. (Matth 11:11) By saying this, Jesus taught how powerful His blood is. Paul understood this. We are to reflect the unconditional love of God through impartation of the Holy Spirit. Faith working through love in action.
Ramohog 3 years ago
Im not concerned with your idea of "my" faith. Im more intrigued by your twisting of scripture to mean what it does not. He said men born of WOMEN... meaning ALL men who are born of women. the Heavens (greek: ouranos) Here refers to the Dwelling place of Yah. The least there are greater than him. He ALSO said John was Elias... whom we know was one of the greatest prophets who ever lived. You all are so wrapped up in "gifts" "signs" "wonders" and "impartations" you are bordering on mysticism.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
Yet another evil generation seeking a sign.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
Total life change through impartation of the Holy Spirit, and noticing the hand of God in your life has nothing to do with seeking a sign or being mystic. It is just God's desire to make himself known, and affirming you, that you are on the right way.
Mysticism does do the same, but it is satan's way of copying God. If it is not the Holy Spirit then it is an evil deceiving spirit, that can easily be tested through God's Word as measuring stick.
Ramohog 3 years ago
If He was is one of the least. We should supersede the life of John, because we have greater revelation of Christ death and ressurection. That's why we can not be his disciples unless we give it all up. That is the higher calling which does require faith, courage obedience and trust. This requires complete selfsacrifice and humulity for a higher purpose. Paul did it and encouraged people through his example to do the same. That's what positions you in heaven and gives you eternal rewards.
Ramohog 3 years ago
nonsense. John knew who Yahushua was as soon as he saw Him. Something you couldn't do with all of your "revelations". John also knew Messiah's purpose AND about the comforter whom Messiah had not even spoken of. His death did not replace or supercede the work of his life. Paul taught the mystery religious belief, which is not surprising given his Roman upbringing, that a violent death divinized the followers... JUST LIKE MITHRAISM... and all the mystery religions that spawned from it.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
on the other hand, Messiah taught obedience to the Law to gain salvation. If YOU were right then ALL of the Patriarchs were not "saved" because they didn't believe in "Jesus".
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
John knew the concept, but he did not see the fulfillment of it all. The apostles did, and therefore had a higher calling. We know what the apostles knew, but are we doing what they did, do we follow and give up our comfortable life for Christ sake, do we deny ourself for the higher purpose.
Paul taught Holy Ghost possesion, so He can lead and guide you. That's why Jesus came, that's the spiritual force that gives you the love, strength and wisdom, to fulfill God's destiny for your life.
Ramohog 3 years ago
That is extremely interesting... seeing as the Spirit came well before Paul hit the scene. Even stranger is that there is no account or evidence of Him ever being filled with the Comforter or Holy Ghost... yet he supposedly had a higher knowledge of it's power and purpose than those who actually were there on the day of Pentecost.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
The Spirit came with the day of Pentecost, and never left. You can only do what Paul with the Holy Spirit.
Acts 19:11 God continued to do extraordinary miracles through Paul.
Paul was the best Holy Spirit teacher, and was clearly lead by the Spirit of God.
I would have never known what I know now, if it wasn't for God's Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is the greatest force in the world today. It's the only force satan can't beat. He works best when you have an unsual trust in Him.
Ramohog 3 years ago
False prophets will do "extraordinary miracles" too. I find it hard to believe that Paul is a better "Holy Spirit teacher" than the Holy Spirit Himself... but ok. Resist devil and he will flee from you seems to be pretty sound advice to me. Simple... uncomplicated... in line with the scriptures. I'll stick with that. Thanks.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
My main concern is where does the Paul bashing end. Did Luke follow a satanic false teacher, so you start doubting the gospel of Luke and Acts, and Peter. Their writings are of a later date then most of Paul's letters, and nowhere they rebuked him, because he was one of the good guys. When people want to use scripture out of context for their own destruction, then it's their loss. I focus on Jesus, and God's commandments, and see the life and teaching of the apostles as a source of inspitarion.
Ramohog 3 years ago
And you do all of that by ignoring the facts. I don't care how you feel about Paul-bashing as you call it... I don't worship Paul. Truth is truth and does not need lies or a liar to prove or vindicate it. Paul was a liar... therefore his teachings are null and void. There is ONE way to the Father... Yahushua. His teachings and the teachings of the Apostles HE appointed along with the Law and the Prophets are the only references needed
to find that way.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
The fact that The Council of Nicea disregarded any other books and chose more than 13 Paul inspired books INCLUDING 1&2 Peter which were not written or dictated by Peter but by Silvanus... a follower of Paul... makes no difference to me. The Council of Nicea is not the end all be all authority on the Word of Yah... they were just Roman puppets. You keep following their blueprint and see where it leads you.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
I'm assuming you connect Nicea with the Catholic church right? But why does Rome everything against, the book they supposedly have manipulated. Why do they use the Alexandrian version, instead of the Textus Receptus. Why would they override the Word with their own doctrine like all the cults do. Why were Catholics forbidden to read the Bible?
Maybe God put Galatians in to separate the sheep from the goat. I use it to push myself to a higher level of obedience, because I see the intention
Ramohog 3 years ago
Im connecting Nicea to Catholicism AND Christianity as it is nothing more than a spin off of Catholicism. You disagree? WHY then do Christians worship on the "venerable day of the sun" and not the sabbath as commanded by Yah? Why then do Christians disregard the Holy Days and celebrate pagan holidays instead? Nicea DID select the canonical books of the Bible did it not? The original texts are hidden away in the Vatican and only are available to the Vatican.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
Catholicism is a satanic cult, probably started by Simon the sourcerer. They still have child sacrfices in the basement. They get their enlightment from Lucifer, and they are the whore of revelation 17. The protestant movement was totally opposite, but they were infiltrated by the Jesuits, the Masons and the Church of Satan, causing lukewarmness. People are blinded for the truth, because they don't read their Bible which reveals the wicked ways of satans institutions. Paul was not one of them!
Ramohog 3 years ago
While that story has more holes in it than swiss cheese... Im not going to blast it just yet. You still haven't answered my question. Is it your assertion then that the Jesuits made christians worship on Sunday? Was Constantin then a Jesuit as it was he who made the declaration to change the Sabbath? By historical account he was Catholic. Now Jesuits invented the "secret rapture of the church" but that was already after Christianity had been WELL established at ANTIOCH.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
Also noteworthy Is Paul's disregard of Yahushua's commandment in regard to "spiritual Fathers". Call no man on earth your (spiritual) Father... which is something Catholics are fond of being called. A trend started by PAUL.
1 Cor 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet [have ye] not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU (I have become your father) through the gospel. 4:17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son,..."
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
don't mean to post AGAIN but i guess I cant add the link. Ramohog... google
"Vatican Pope: Pauline Year Begins". Its a thrilling love story of how Paul's life and message brought the Catholic Pope and all of the Christian Patriarchy together to hold hands and sing Kumba... well not YAH. Paul is the glue that holds this madness together. Im sorry you would rather follow his voice than that of Messiah.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
Your linking these damnable heresies to Paul, but it is people twisting his words, and the word of God, to make Christianity look bad. That is Satan's job. I agree that Christianity has been corrupted into an apostate religion, as prophecized, but it is because of false teaching and misunderstanding the Bible. Not because of what Paul wrote. Only when you take him out of context, and the N.T. out of context.
God's Word clarifies itself, only the ignorant blind refuse to see.
Ramohog 3 years ago
simmer down. You are getting upset because you cant prove me wrong. That is not the point of this exercise. The point is The word of Paul is not consistent with the Word of Yahushua. That is a fact. I'm sorry that your beloved Paul is the source of these damnable heresies but all roads point to him. Had he not opened the door... none of this nonsense would have been able to occur. That was his mission to sow tares among the wheat. You have to sow them in the same field for it to be effective.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
Its a damnable heresy to think that Yahushua did not show us the way to salvation... and send the comforter to lead us and guide us along that way... but instead needed Paul to "interpret" His death. That is nonsense and offensive in and of itself. Yahushua spoke for Himself. The Apostles didn't teach new doctrines. They simply taught His words as HE said them. Paul came with His own doctrine He got from an angel of light. nuff said.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
Jesus is the cornerstone. The Holy Spirit is the builder. Paul added a lot of revelation knowledge for us to verify, what the Holy Spirit is all about. The Holy Spirit is the seal of God and vital for salvation, the rest is up to us. We will be judged accordingly, but atleast we are in.
We are saved by grace, like the Isrealites were saved by grace through the blood.
Great Paul quote... Angel of light. You lack understanding. My people are destroyed by lack of knowledge
Ramohog 3 years ago
The SEAL of His disciples is on those who keep His commandments and the testimony of Yahushua
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF YAH, AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF YAHUSHUA HA'MESSHIAC.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF YAH, AND THE FAITH OF YAHUSHUA HA'MESSHIAC.
Isa 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
as to the angel of light... hey he told on himself... not my fault.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
I delight in the commandments, because I have received the seal of the Holy Spirit, which came through faith in the blood. I could never have earned it! Thanks and God Bless
Ramohog 3 years ago
how bout faith in the one who shed it? how bout that? anyway may Yah Bless you.
Shalom
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
The seal of God in the O.T. is when they were brought out of slavery through the blood of the lamb. The celebration and the remembrence was their seal at the time, pointing to the blood of Jesus, taking us out of the bondage of sin through the power of the Holy Spirit. This is the same seal we need for the end time judgement.
Ramohog 3 years ago
uh huh... fascinating revelation...and how exactly does that negate revelations and Isaiah CLEARLY stating that the Saints and the Seed of the Woman and the disciples of Yahushua do these two things... ahem...
1. KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF YAH
2. HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF YAHUSHUA
??
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
Ex 13:9 And it shall serve as a sign to you on your hand, and as a reminder on your forehead, that the law of the LORD may be in your mouth; for with a powerful hand the LORD brought you out of Egypt.
I also agree with you, because I always use these verses against lawlessness (rev 12:17 and 14:12) The Holy Spirit comes through faith in Jesus, and He gives you the desire to keep the commandments.
We both agree on this, but we disagree about the way to it. John 3:3 and 3:16 are vital!
Ramohog 3 years ago
Again... I am not discounting those scriptures.. it is the prevalent christian interpretation that Im discounting. If you are "born from above" you receive the comforter or spirit of truth. THAT I agree with. If you believe in the Messiah... you not only believe in His death... but His WORDS. Christians focus solely on His death as introduced by Paul. Again in His life he made it quite clear that salvation or life is gained through obedience to the Commandments of Yah.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
IF eternal Life was just free gift with no link to obedience anyone and everyone would have it. However, Yahushua states Mat 7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that FIND it. If the Bible and all of it's books were the word of Yah ANYONE who reads it will find The Way. As it stands that is not true. True seekers will FIND The Way because it is very unpopular as opposed to today's saved by grace doctrine which is all the rage.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
The Way is not preached in the masses of Christianity... which are the spawns of Paul. Honestly, more sermons nowadays come from the NT specifically Pauline Epistles than ANY other portion of the Bible. His way is not narrow. It is BROAD and well received... even among the "evil" Catholics. Why? It teaches subservience to leaders. Women subservient to men. Men subservient to Church leaders. Church leaders subservient to government. Messiah teaches equality and subservience to YAH alone.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
I understand that you mean well... but to treat a disease you can't just treat the symptoms like Apostasy and Signs and Wonder chasing and false doctrine teaching. You have to expose the source... and deal with it. Paul is that source. These false teachers, try as they might, cannot twist the words of Yahushua... some try rather unsuccessfully. Paul on the other hand is already twisting scriptures from jump. All they are doing is adding to the confusion HE introduced.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
We have to keep the moral law now, basicly covered by the 10 commandments. Jesus mission was to prioritize things and narrowed it down to 2. Love God 1 to 4 ,and love your neighbor 5 to 10. The rest of the law are recommendation for life still honourable but not vital.
All the blood shed laws were (temporary) done away with. Without understanding, it seems to contradict with Matth 5:19. The Bible is a on going revelation. You are misunderstanding God's salvation plan.
Ramohog 3 years ago
Yahushua's mission was to teach us how to follow the Law correctly without the traditions of men the Pharisees added to it. Its funny how Yahushua summed them up in two steps... Love Yah and your neighbor and Paul summed them up as simply love your neighbor. Now while you may or may not observe the sabbath MOST Pauline Christians do not. To love Yah as Yahushua said we must do what again? KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. His plan did not include making a liar out of Yah.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
Jesus indicated His saving power on the Cross, when He saved the sinner next to Him that believed. God loves. He desires to save people, for everybody who accept His Son confirmed with a set apart Spirit. We are to produce good fruit, meaning saving souls for the Kingdom, so He can bring in the harvest when He comes again. We do need to abstain from certain things, forgive, live in purity and walk in love. We have a set apart Spirit that seperates us from the world. Satan can't control that.
Ramohog 3 years ago
FIRST AND FOREMOST The sinner on the Cross REPENTED. He knew he DESERVED his punishment and that Yahushua did not.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
The sinner on the cross did not repent. He just acknowledged that he was a criminal and that Jesus was not, and he only said, think of me when you enter your kingdom. The loving grace and mercy of Jesus said, you will be with me in Paradise. Just because he recognized the purpose and the divine nature of Jesus enduring the Cross.
Ramohog 3 years ago
"The sinner on the cross did not repent. He just acknowledged that he was a criminal and that Jesus was not, and he only said, think of me when you enter your kingdom."
What exactly do you think repentance is? By all accounts it is acknowledgment that one has sinned.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
He did exactly what the publican did in the parable of Luke 18
Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as [his] eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, GOD BE MERCIFUL TO ME A SINNER.
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified [rather] than the other:
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
The example of the sinner on the cross is showing us that we are saved by grace through faith, not by our actions and good deeds, same way with the publican.
Confess, repent, believe, receive that's what will save you. Once you are born again, then the Holy Spirit won't let you go. Same way with Jewish civil law, when you adopt a child, then the child can never be disowned. Once your born again you are adopted into God's family, and then the sanctification, maturing process starts.
Ramohog 3 years ago
well thats a nice little chant but it doesn't hold up to the scriptures.
For starters to say "you can never be disowned" directly contradicts Yahushua in Revelations.
Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
To my opinion, when you are truly born again, then you are saved for eterninty, because Jesus will take care of His sheep, and have been given the power from the Comforter to endure, as we know that this life is the dress up room for everlasting life with God. We just need to pass the test, study the book, understand what is means and apply it to life. We can judge the tree by it's fruit, but only God knows if we are truly born from above!
Ramohog 3 years ago
@Ramohog Then why is there an unforgivable sin. If you don't keep law you have no protection from the law and Jesus said in (Matthew 5:18-20) For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass
away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is
accomplished. You cannot follow Paul and Jesus they taught entirely different things!Paul said in (Romans 7:6) But now we are discharged from the law etc... How are you going to Follow Man or G@D? Repent means to change ur mind Repent!
TheSpasticpunk 9 months ago
@TheSpas Unforgivable sin is when you reject the Holy Spirit once you have received Him, and in fact destroy your own temple. We receive the Holy Spirit by faith in the shed blood of Jesus. The law is not of faith but is a matter of obedience which will bring blessing and eternal rewards. It's a priority issue, that why Paul said "Do we make void the law through faith.... God forbid", Do we sin so grace may abound.... God forbid" I do love the law, but there is no condemnation who are in Christ!
Ramohog 9 months ago
@Ramohog So tell me Johns Disciples were not Born again as they turned to the Law and Repented (it means to change your mind btw). Jesus was no saved from grace nor are you! The Law is the only saving! The Blood Sacrifice the Jesus took away when the Temple Tent torn open where they gave the blood was for only one sin covering! Know what Blood Sacrifice Covers:? Look it up It only Covers the sins you had NO KNOWLEDGE of committing. Story over your still in sin if not following the law! STUDY!!
TheSpasticpunk 4 months ago
@TheSpasticpunk Prophecy is against you. Study yourself approved unto God, and get understanding!
Ramohog 4 months ago
ahh yes... I forgot how Paul loved to glory in the cross... and now it's graven image has become the very standard for Christianity. A church just isn't a church without a few crosses Let me ask you something... Do you think Yah glories in the very instrument used to Kill His messenger? Or would He consider it an abomination?
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
The Cross is the key that opens the door to eternal life. The cross of Jesus is the cross of self-sacrifice, devotion to truth without denying it even unto the last breath, and a foundation of strength, endurance, and suffering for what is right.
The only way to heaven is to realise that Jesus died on that cross for our sins, so we might be saved.
The greatest act of love in the history of mankind. Something we should never forget!
Ramohog 3 years ago
Well while I agree that laying down his life was the greatest act of Love... I'd have to say that revering the cross and making graven images of it is still wrong. None of it would have been possible if the Father had not planned it from the beginning. We should be worshipping the Father for sending Him not worshipping the cross for killing Him.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
I think very few born again Christian's worship the Cross. We honour the Father by honouring the Son. Who has been given authority over heaven and earth to judge the living and the dead. It all links to the Father, because without Him nothing would even exist. HalleluYah!
Ramohog 3 years ago
well now that depends on how you look at it. Crosses are a staple in Christian churches... as if it is excluded from the term "graven image". It is the most esteemed symbol of Christianity... thanks to Paul's glorying. Later... it became the symbol that Constantine felt he need to conquer in. Today it sits atop churches both Catholic and Christian... it adorns Bibles... pulpits... and sanctuaries everywhere. It has become an idol... whether Christians admit it or not.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
@YoelBenYsryael Agreed brother, agreed!
FitnessMinded 10 months ago
@YoelBenYsryael Yes No Idols!
TheSpasticpunk 9 months ago
@Ramohog The Cross is a Graven Image and automatically makes it in Violation of the law that's why he was hung from it! The only way as Jesus said is to pick up your cross and follow him and he also said to keep the law until heaven and hell pass away. So I guess you don't believe there is a Heaven and Hell any longer!? By your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned right? Your do the Condemning of people that disagree with Paulus theology!
TheSpasticpunk 4 months ago
Don't worry about me. I'm having fun! People will always find something. Jewish people don't even agree, muslims can't get their stories straight. Paul is an easy target, because his writing are spiritual, and need spiritual discernment. Satan loves to attack it because people lack understanding.
You really think Paul is burning in Hell, as he was fullfilling God's destiny for his life. You are in for a surprise when you die or when Jesus is coming back.
Ramohog 3 years ago
Well we shall see. Fact being... you have to make up excuses that are not biblically based to defend the man. That should tell you something. I am not defending the "Jewish" faith as Im not Jewish. Im not defending the Muslim faith as I'm not Muslim. I am defending the Word of Yahushua the ONLY way to the Father Yahuah. Word of advice... Come Out of Her lest you partake in Her iniquities.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
Come out of her is for the Catholic (mother) church, that make it almost impossible to get born again, because of their traditions and doctrine overriding the Bible. It is for all the cult religions, that oppose the Bible with their own doctrine.
Ramohog 3 years ago
repost... Um yeah I was just thinking... Catholicism didn't exist historically during the reign of Constantin... he converted to Pauline Christianity. (In word not in deed). From that vantage point... I'd have to say old chap that as Christianity began in ANTIOCH with Paul not Jerusalem where the 12 were... logically... Pauline Christianity spawned the Catholic church and not the other way around.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
Paul focussed on getting people filled with the Spirit. The Catholic church does not, so it is no where near the teachings of Paul. I know because I was born and raised Catholic, until I got born again, thank God.
Ramohog 3 years ago
I agree with you on this one. It was a figure of speech. Paul did not have the gospels to memorize. The Catholic does have the gospels, so they are ignoring the Word of God, but that's what they do as a religion.
Ramohog 3 years ago
Paul did not need to have the gospels on hand if He were truly sent by Yahushua. The Messiah would not lead him to teach the opposite of what HE taught. In any case the Apostles were still around but he refused to learn from them as he was too busy trying to be seen as on the same level they were.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
did you also notice that he said we have tens of thousands of teachers? Another blatant contradiction as Yahushua ALSO stated we are not to be called Rabbi which means teacher/master/leader for we have ONE master who is in Heaven. According to Paul.. we have tens of thousands. Thanks to Paul we have all types of "church leaders" and consequently prosperity gospel churches that were NEVER sanctioned by the Messiah.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
James 3:1 Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment.
Is James a false teacher as well. I do see a distinction between teacher, and master. I'm teaching you but I'm not your master.
Ramohog 3 years ago
Uh... did you miss the word NOT that comes after the word "Let"? Let NOT many of you become teachers, my brethren (not my children, not my students) knowing that as such we will incur stricter judgement. As such what does that mean? As becoming "teachers" we incur stricter judgement. Funny how even THAT statement contradicts Pauls claim that we have tens of thousands of instructors in Christ.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
SURELY you can do better than that.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
James still mentioned teachers. Paul understood the concept of maturing and developing in Christ. He backed it up with babies, children and parents as a figure if speech. When we are born again we are still spiritual babies that fall and need help.
Ramohog 3 years ago
yeah he says NOT to become leaders of men... lest you receive stricter judgement. Yes there were Elders... people who had been walking in The Way longer and could help those who had questions on how to follow the law... but they were not Pastors, Bishops, Deacons, etc. I find that "babies" analogy hard to agree with. The Holy Spirit dwells in ALL who are "born from above". In all thy ways acknowledge HIM and HE shall direct thy path... not reverend so and so... HE will.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
The story has holes in it, because you can write a whole book about it. A Catholic is not a Christian. Changing the Sabbath should never have happened, and there is no where in the N.T. that promotes that. It developed because of man made traditions. The Catholics are the present day Farisees. Jesus is Lord and He said I'm Lord of the Sabbath, that totally seals that discussion. It's not Paul's fault.
Ramohog 3 years ago
well I'd say that is debatable as he also said
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:... If the Sabbath was done away with or was on any day we wish then there would be no need for such a prayer. Paul on the other hand said "some esteem one day over another but basically make up your own mind. Present day Pharisees are people who don't believe the Messiah has come. The Catholics hardly fit that description.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
Spiritual Pharisees, are people that hold traditions of man and church doctrine, over God's Word. They have the same hypocritical mind set. Sabbath is not debatable it's a clear as can be. Paul honored the sabbath, but keeping the sabbath does not make you righteous, but righteous people keep the sabbath and do not forsake the assembly of believers.
Ramohog 3 years ago
A lot of Christian Pastors, preachers, evangelists, etc FIT THAT BILL. They all know that for instance CHRISTMAS has NOTHING to do with the Messiah... yet... they say its ok... because its always been done. Same with Easter. Same with graven images of Crosses plastered all over their churches. Assembly of believers does NOT mean christian church. Where TWO or THREE are gathered in His name YAHUSHUA not "Jesus" THERE He will be also.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
Paul says that we are to present ourselves as sacrifices... when The Most High specifically says he desires obedience and mercy rather than sacrifice.
1Sa 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD [as great] delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey [is] better than sacrifice, [and] to hearken than the fat of rams.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
So while I agree that His Spirit dwells in His children, That Spirit will lead us into all truth... as spoken in the Torah, the Prophets, and Yahushua... NOT some newfangled religious doctrine that requires we break the Law given by the Most High. The Law does not save us but neither does simply having faith. Obedience to His commands which have not changed does. Grace gives us the opportunity to repent... something the angels that fell were not allowed to do.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
Sacrifices, means giving up your own life for Christ sake, dying to self, following Christ and give up everything, otherwise you can not be my disciples. Luke 14:33 Matth 10:37 Loosing your life to gain it. That's what Paul meant!
Ramohog 3 years ago
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Sacrifice in that sense is already a part of the commandments. Paul when he DOES actually say something true... is only repeating what was already said by Messiah and the prophets.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
Yah had nothing to do with Galatians. One book in particular is a bold face lie Galatians 2. Simply written to discredit Peter by asserting Paul confronted him to the face. Funny thing is... by Luke's account of the event... Peter was never in Antioch at all. Luke had no reason to lie... Paul did though. He needed the Galatians to turn from Peter's teachings which apparently were in line with the Law. Sheep follow Yahushua goats follow Paul. Narrow is the way to Truth and FEW that find it.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
Fragmentation of facts is something Satan uses, so people loose the bigger picture. Some of the letters were written 20 years apart, under different circumstances and your nitpicking on a few words, causing doubt division and strife. The main thing is that Paul showed people the way to salvation, and got them filled with the Holy Spirit. When more people would teach and understand this principle, then we would not be in the mess that we are in. God desires to save people, that's why it's a gift
Ramohog 3 years ago
Fragmentation is something Paul was especially good at. taking a piece of one scripture and "pearl stringing" it along with a piece of another to prove his doctrine. If I cause someone to open their eyes and realize this Pauline version of salvation is false then GOOD. Im not interested in appearances, spreading heretical dogma, and political correctness. TRUTH IS: Yahushua showed us the way to salvation AND sent the comforter. Paul came under his own name and introduced mystery religion.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
Paul was teaching salvation through faith in Jesus, which get's you born again through receiving the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit gives you the desire to do it God's way, and finally giving up your life, for a higher cause, following in Jesus being directed by the Comforter. I don't see any false teaching in that. Christianity turned it into false teaching, but that's not Paul's fault. It is because people never receive the Spirit, and reason themselves out of God's way to their own destruction
Ramohog 3 years ago
As to Luke... he was a HISTORIAN and a doctor by trade. He wrote according to what he saw and heard. Again in Acts 15 his objectivity serves to Paul's demise... as it is a completely opposing version of Galatians 2 where Paul tells HIS version of the meeting between he and the Apostles... and the ensuing details leading to the split with Barnabas.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
There are many videos on YouTube about the Ebionites. They didn't have the "Gospel" of Luke, nor did they accept any of Paul's writings.
You might be surprised to learn that the Jerusalem Church was identified as "the Evyonim", Hebrew for "the poor". It's the same word transliterated "Ebionites". It's also a term that identifies the Dead Sea Scrolls community and its leader. Just a coincidence?
minorityop 3 years ago
Poverty is a curse, and a character problem, often used as a false humility. Jesus wasn't poor. When the blessing is on you, it is impossible to stay in lack. Read your Bible, and get understanding!
Ramohog 3 years ago
Oh, so we're cooking up our own version of Christianity, are we?
If you weren't such a Bible-illiterate, you would know that prosperity as a sign of blessing is an Israelite doctrine, not a Christian one, which lauded the opposite.
You're the one who needs to study their Bible. Stop reading the "God books" and stick your nose in the Bible.
minorityop 3 years ago
John 10:10 I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly (to the full till it overflows)
Parable of the talents! You mix old and new without the blessing, that's not Biblical.
The natural is manifested by the spiritual.
3John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
Ramohog 3 years ago
You obviously don't understand what I believe, nor do you even understand what YOU believe.
Make an effort to UNDERSTAND the things that you think you believe.
minorityop 3 years ago
Your idea of "lost people" is simply people who have not come into the knowledge of Yahushua. While partially correct you fail to include the OTHER portion of "lost" people who feel as if the Law's of Yah and the words of Yahushua are of no account. As James said, you believe that there is one God but so do devils. Believe all you want but If you don't follow his commandments you are STILL lost.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
My idea of lost people are people that never had the born again experience. People that never had a revelation of the unconditional love of God. Never accepted Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior. Never received the annointing power of the Holy Spirit. Never receiving the seal of God. Trying to earn their salvation, still blinded for the truth.
Those lost people, may they all come to repentance and receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit
Ramohog 3 years ago
Interesting,toda for this video.
I know that Greek Gospel of Matthew is totally opposite to Hebrews Gospel of Matthew and i know that baptism is original not in the name of trinity.
Shalom brother and continue with the investigation. Yah bless you.
bojann79 3 years ago
Yah bless you too ahki. I'd like to do some more research on this Hebrew Matthew. The problem is that the Israelite, Torah-keeping believers in Yahoshua have been wiped-off the face of history. Their writings have been supressed or destroyed and their reputation has been destroyed by the early church fathers.
Torahrevival 3 years ago
test
bojann79 3 years ago
The image of God is made complete in Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Like 3D gives you the true depth of piece. They are a community in unity and diversity in both majesty and mystery. Please get understanding! Paul completely understood God's plan of salvation, the ebionites obviously did not. The Holy Spirit can only work through faith, the law becomes a guideline, not a way for salvation and justification. There is however blessing on keeping the law, and doing it God's way.
Ramohog 3 years ago
There is ONE Elohim. He is complete in and of himself. Yahushua and the Comforter are manifestations of Him... but there is only ONE. Yahushua never said Pray to me... he said to pray in this manner: Our FATHER who art in heaven. He also said: "... Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God."(Mark10:18)
Obedience to the Law of Yah is the way to salvation not the Law itself. We follow the commandments of Yah and have the Testimony of Yahushua. Rev 12:7
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
You are right, there is a clear distinction but the manifestations of Yah are co-eternal.
Why callest thou me good? Was a question, because the man did not know the true nature of Yahoshua, but it is safe to call Him good as well, and He is also worthy to be praised.
I got born again and filled with the Spirit without even knowing the law. The Holy Spirit gives you the desire to do it God's way and keep His commandments.
We are saved first then sanctified. First the root then the fruit
Ramohog 3 years ago
Well then you are the Christian exception. He that ENDURETH TO THE END shall be saved. MOST of us came into the knowledge of a savior BEFORE we knew the Laws. The difference between us and Christians is that we believe in Yahushua and we adhere not just to his atonement on the cross but his teachings as well. Those being the correct way to follow the law and not the Pharisidic legalistic additions to it. Christians simply believe that we are saved by grace without adhering to the Law.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
I'd have to say that as the Father, Yahushua, and The Spirit of Truth are manifestations of ONE Elohim... there is no "co" involved. They are all part of ONE eternal Elohim.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
The Isrealites were first brought out of slavery, then they received the law. Keeping the law guided them through the desert where God provided for them, then with courage, faith and trusting God some entered into the promised land. Notice that it was only a small group. Many are called few are chosen, without Holiness no one will see the Lord. He that overcometh will enter in. This life is a test for eternity. We have to read the book and apply it, then our reward will be great. Paul did it!!!
Ramohog 3 years ago
riiiiight. His students have a way of twisting the Bible to get the desired result just as He did. Tell me Ramohog... do you believe in the Essene gospel? Do you think it is inspired by Yah as well?
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
Where did I twist it? Please tell me. The O.T. is physical manifestation of what is going on in the spiritual realm. Paul revealed and understood this
I don't care what other people wrote. I believe that the entire Bible is the Word of God written one author... the Holy Spirit. That's why you need to have Him, so He can explain everything and lead you in all truth.
Ramohog 3 years ago
First of all They who entered Canaan were obedient. Those who did not were disobedient. Sin has and will always be transgression of the Law.
Oh you do care... you just don't know it. The entire chapter of Corinthians 13 is part of the Gnostic Essene gospel of peace. The also believe that we should worship mother Earth and that she sends us angels.
He does lead me into all truth apparently it is you who has blinders on.
YoelBenYsryael 3 years ago
Yes they were obedient in keeping the law, and doing God's will which required courage faith and trust, just keeping the law will keep you in the desert. Famine is equal to spiritual drought.
The Gnostics are a satanic cult mixing a whole lot of truth with some poison. It is satans job to copy and counterfit the Word of God.
You don't believe in Angels as covenant enforcing agents? Worshipping mother earth is foolishness.... satan always messes up somewhere. Fortunately we have the Bible!
Ramohog 3 years ago
What bible Apostles and first believers read?
bojann79 3 years ago
The O.T. was still unfinsished with a lot of unanswered questions, that's why the Isrealites are still lost and still searching. All the answers are in the N.T. The book of revelation totally seales it. The Bible is an on going revelation of truth. End conclusion God is love, and we are to reflect the love of God, through the Holy Spirit in us. Love your enemies, only doing good, taking care for eachother, displaying the fruit of the Spirit. Keeping the love commandments. That is God's will
Ramohog 3 years ago
To the Law and to the Testimony! if they speak not according to this word, surely there is no morning for them. (Isa 8:20)
Shalom
bojann79 3 years ago
"The secret [things belong] unto the LORD our God: but those [things which are] revealed [belong] unto us and to our children for ever, that [we] may do all the words of this Torah." Deu 29:29
It would seem that the Creator revealed "all the words of this Torah".
minorityop 3 years ago
Torah is the foundation for all thruth, there is still a word behing God's word, called revelation knowledge. This is revealed by the Holy Spirit that will lead you into all truth. The Holy Spirit searches the depths of God, and reveals some of the infinite wisdom of the Creator. You have to have a desire to know more, by spending time with Him in prayer, and listening what His spirit reveals to you. The Holy Spirit is very personal, and reveals God's will for your life. Torah is the foundation!
Ramohog 3 years ago