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[1019drummer]

And your t-boon style ass walking by yr horse always ignores the zero emmisions car issue as being a valid tech alternitive. What wind and bullshit,maybe if you fucks that pay for these commercials combined both you would be actualy dong something worthwile.

[neurocytohemotoxic]

Why are we still addicted to oil? Becasue many politicians get campaign contributions from oil companies and the federal gov allows auto makers to build fuel gulping cars. We need to tighten fuel economy regulations and people need to realize that oil will not last forever.

[TravvyG]

In Clean Green Energy Australia will be better off with that GeoThermal technology but the power companies will have to do their research on Australias Geology cause of the 100s of old Fault lines that they could awake if that is possible but it's still better to be safe then sorry ^_^. It's bad enough getting woken up by are dog barking then a Earthqauke haha

[funkor]

Or maybe Exxon Mobil pays scientists to cast doubt on peer-reviewed, sound science.

And for some reason you think this science is more valid and trustworthy than the original science.

East Coast liberal filth is just insane.

[pdxjules]

I see what you mean, but I was excited to see this because t is an approach that some rural Americans might hear. they would NOT appreciae being called hoi anything. WE The PEOPLE include plaid collar workers, Pink Collars, LACE socks...and those of us who give a hoot about Democracy will work hard to reach out, across many miles and cultural barriers.

[kat366]

Who's the actor? I used to work with him in CA. His first name is Lee.

[hangdsobs]

Rep. Lundgren (R- Ca) just said he wrote a bill to give a BILLION dollars to a "US incorporated" car company that gets 100 mpg... So how STUPID IS THAT? Typical "conservatism" - THROW HUGE MONEY at corporations that are ALREADY subsidized by the US to get them to produce WHAT PEOPLE WANT, and will HELP America's... and the World's...SECURITY, instead of ONLY producing what the oil/energy companies allow. Obama declared war on oil with 34mpg CAFE standards so fast, & Insur Ind w/Pub Health.

[hangdsobs]

And if Gore HADN'T invested in Green energy...uh...for the last 30 years...Would people be CLAIMING it was all a scam if Gore himself wouldn't invest in it? Of COURSE they would.

Two college kids added another battery to a Prius and got OVER 150mpg. GM has a 40mile (electric only) hybrid Hummer! But they are going to sell Hummer & produce a SMALL 40 mile (electric-only) hybrid VOLT!

Now you know 1 reason why the CEO of GM had to be FIRED! My '90 med-sized Pontiac Bonneville got 24 mpg.

[5ezpzez]

This is so much bullshit. This is all about GE and their stupid windmills.

If nuclear energy is just peachy for Iran & N.Korea, then it should be just fine for the US. But,n-n-n-n-o-o-o-o-o-o, the same pukes that embrace nuclear reactors for those countries and Europe, too, they discredit the safety of nuke energy here in America.

Fuck this old fraud, I am sick of seeing his face...

[funkor]

The only problem with nuclear power, and it's a killer for me, is that the waste lasts thousands or millions of years. That is unacceptable for our future inheritors of the planet.

[5ezpzez]

Really? Really?? But it is acceptable for Iran,France,Germany,Holland, N.Korea, etc... uh, the last time I checked, those countries were part of this planet.

[funkor]

It is not acceptable to use nuclear anywhere until we figure out how to shorten the half life of the nuclear fuel. We are not there yet.

[OldTimeRockRoll1969]

No matter if its a natural thing going on or truly from all the CO2 gases from CARS! And the factories, Or a combination of both, the world is in deep chit no matter which it is.

And because of the scientist, politicians, celebrities, etc, that are taking advantage of it and US with all of their paid speaking engagements.

It is making some people not belive that climate change and global warming is real.

They MUST stop being paid to make their case!

[funkor]

The idea, 5ezpzez and OldTimeRockRoll1969, that somehow the motivation of not altering our planet's climate is monetary is laughable. Al Gore didn't do An Inconvenient Truth to make money. No other celebrities are making speeches to make money.

The thing that makes this new idea laughable is that there ARE people promoting science in order to make money -- Exxon Mobil and other energy companies. Why do you question the altruistic movement and not the money-interested corporation?

[5ezpzez]

Really? Really??? He made a FORTUNE & got a hack prize,too boot.

There is no altruistism involved in this, it is PURELY about MONEY.

I DID question the money-oriented corporation in my second sentence.

[funkor]

It seems like you are emboldened by the suggestion of these things by powerful people, but I assure you that the Nobel Peace prize is not a hack prize. And I assure you that Al Gore had no need of any monetary gain from environmental causes.

Al Gore has stated, "Tipper and I are devoting 100 percent of the profits from the book and the movie to a new bipartisan educational campaign to further spread the message about global warming."

If people make money from sustainable energy, good.

[acidtrashy]

Al gore has massive stakes in energy trading companies. His selfless gestures are smoke and mirrors.

[funkor]

Black is white. War is Peace. The energy companies are shining bastions of progress and environmental protection who have not been fighting stricter standards on pollution for 40 years. I don't get your motive.

[farmakidis1]

So strong and so true. We have been going down this same road for too long, and they only reason we keep going is because of special interests, not because of the interests of the American People.

[canadiceconstruction]

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See you there!

[funkor]

What do you think this accomplishes? I think I would purposely not go to your coffee shop because you posted here. Good work on building solar coffee shops, but this is not a good place to advertise.

[kingotsa]

Don't be such a negative "seer," it's great progress! You should commend them! I don't like coffee but if I could I'd go! If we don't all get off the grid soon then living will be impossible for America. Don't you see the sun come up every day? It lights up the whole neighborhood. Take a look around and tell me what you see. If you see what I mean you have the power to change.

[funkor]

It's spam.

[cypheri0n]

For those who don't appreciate the heavy handed "preachy" treatment of the ad. I suggest you watch footage of how conservatives communicate with their base. Then you'll probably get where the ad is aimed.

If you don't like the ad, chances are you already have embraced this challenge and as such it is not aimed at you. This ad is about reaching out to folks who may not be on board in a manner they can appreciate.

[WAKeele]

Trust me, I know, I grew up in small-town Tennessee. This ad is perfect for appealing to those where I'm from. I guess I'm saying it's sad this type of ad is needed to begin with. I shouldn't be concerned at all, but my study of the world's history just gets me a little riled up when religion is involved--and I use to be, for the most part, the type of person this ad is aimed at--go figure what some studying and world travel will do for a person once their mind is opened up to other thoughts.

[cypheri0n]

The goal is to broaden and deepen the plurality and diversity of the movement for clean energy.

The "foreign oil" line appeals to moderate republicans and conservative democrats and effectively usurps the language of obstructionist politicians who've been compromised by the oil & gas lobby.

[funkor]

I realize the segment "foreign oil" appeals to, cypheri0n. I think it's immoral to appeal to that segment with hatred (essentially). I also think that that kind of appeal will end up harming the real message. If they just took out "dependence on foreign oil" I think you could reach the same people.

[cypheri0n]

Ideologically, I agree with you; however, in the pragmatic world of where to invest advertising dollars and what will capture the hearts and minds of your intended demographic... Let's just say that this particular horse was outta the barn before either of us even got to the ranch.

The people who made this ad had a job to do. Theirs is a world of quantifiable variables and calculations about how image is perceived. They calculated that this would reach the intended audience. Rightly so I think

[funkor]

cyperi0n, yes the ad reaches a particular demographic. I think that you can reach that demographic in more honest and less "inciting" ways. Doing the right thing starts when it's hard.

[cypheri0n]

We are discussing the same demographic right? The same folks that supported "Dubya" for 8 years? You really think you're gonna effectively pass a nuanced vision to them in 60 seconds? The same people who supported the conservative war on intellectualism are supposed to respond and resonate with a purposeful dialog about the facts of global warming, which they denied even existed until a year ago?

Effective communication is that which evokes the desired response or results in/from an audience.

[funkor]

The right wing has come out with lots of hate. People flock around it. It is great for marketing. However that doesn't mean that it's right. Interdependence with all the countries of the world increase peace enormously. We don't want to change that in a push for sustainability.

[cypheri0n]

Don't get me wrong. I'm not denigrating your perspective. It is rightly morally principled. As I said before, I agree with the principle of your perspective.

Unfortunately, 60 second ads don't provide much room for our principles. Ultimately they're a device to sell folks stuff. We all know how that works.

The place for the deeper principled conversations is in the face-to-face conversations that we hope ads like these inspire. Where you & I can share the weight of our convictions and concerns

[funkor]

Positives: Showing an everyday, texan-type farmer growing wind and solar. That is a great image. Slipping in a God, to allude to our stewardship of the earth, that's fine. Talking about "our kids" is great.

Suggestion: I think you could turn the hook from "foreign oil" to "it's clear that only using fossil fuels is a danger to the future of our country. Change is hard, but it can be beautiful."

[cypheri0n]

That suggestion would be just as effective if the ad were targeted to you and I.

You may not like some of the language in the ad, or the perception upon which it is based, but it is genuine. The intended demographic does often see these types of issues from these perspectives. It is a perspective neither you nor I share. That's understood. Essentially we are spectators to a conversation on a topic we're passionate about. It's cool to critique the dialog, but it's not intended for us.

[funkor]

You're not quite getting what I say when I say "immoral". That means you don't use that method to advertise even if it's very effective. They are not targeting me, but they are representing me as I'm a member of this organization. Fear of foreigners, dictators, communists is unhealthy.

[cypheri0n]

I understand your definition of "immoral". I just think it is somewhat out of place. Morality is a subjective perspective. You are seeing an entire organization through the lense of YOUR morality. That is the same mistake that you are attributing to the conservatives. Simply because your definition is more acceptable to you doesn't make it any more right.

I, for one, would not agree that fear of dictators is unhealthy.

[farmorganic23]

part of the problem funkor, is creating jobs in the US not shipping them out to other country's. We need to build up our industry, respect the environment, and start lessening the general consumption of all this access that we don't need. Solar, wind, biodiesel, hydro electric are not very recent inventions/discoveries, we have simply not taken advantage of them. I think that this recession serves as a very good wake up call for this country to exploit these renewable resources.

[funkor]

Creating millions of green jobs here -- organic farming, small farms, local eating, as well as solar, wind, car technology -- does not seem to have anything to do with doing the same things in Saudi Arabia or Venezuela. And, actually, Middle Eastern deserts are great places for solar collection (one would think). We can move our industry around sustainability here and abroad.

[farmorganic23]

maybe in particular the "god" in "gods green earth" but other than that, great ad, I thought it was very convincing.

[LynnElizabeth]

Exactly - "What are we waiting for?" Let's start paying attention with our actions and our votes!

[funkor]

This is a LOUSY ad that utterly distracts from the real issue (in my opinion). "Foreign oil" sounds good to xenophobic Republicans (or a section of them -- sorry to be so blunt), but it has nothing or little to do with our problem. If we could buy Solar, or Batteries, or Wind from the Middle East I think that would be great. Were these countries to lose 80% of their revenue from oil the poverty would make fragile countries more desperate. Interdependence has a good side.

[WAKeele]

Good, but I don't care for the "god's green Earth" line. I know you're trying to appeal to a certain group (one I grew up around and was apart of at one time), but you can keep it secular and achieve similar results. We don't have to be as slimy as the other side.

[cypheri0n]

The "God's green Earth" line is probably meant to remind moderate minded Christians of the principle of stewardship over the earth that their faiths teach (Christian conservatives often use the word "dominion", but seldom connect it to the health of the planet's ecosystems and their impact on them and in turn their own quality of life).

They have your attention. They're trying to reach someone else now. Hope that helps.

[WAKeele]

Yeah, that would be a good message for those to get from it--rarely it seems they do if they need to understand the importance without outside help.

[SailorBarsoom]

I don't think it's "slimy" to appeal to people who believe in God. I think that those who profess a belief in the God of the Bible need to consider how such a God would feel about us ruining His creation.

And if you don't believe in God, well then the fact that some old guy said "God's green Earth" doesn't mean you can't still be for sane energy policies for other reasons.

[WAKeele]

It just seems they are trying to appeal in a little of a backdoor way, that could be a bit slimy like most marketing tends to be. Honestly, I'm for whatever it takes to get these points across, I just would like to do it in a more strait-forward way. But, I also know how people are and, well, you kind of have to do it this way to get to some people--the ol' double edge sword.

As for the religion, the more religion, of any origin, is involved, the more problems/conflict will can arise.

[kkkpower13]

YES!! ??

[toomanymatts]

YES!