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[wojbert]

To our biggest frinds Hungarians . YOU ARE THE HERO. The best wishes , and respect for your freedom fighting in 1956 /. Poles.

[NotgivenupSTI]

This guy was my swim coach...I hope he is doing well.

[kristinaonoxious4]

this is on my friends computer so yea

[kristinaonoxious4]

dude ervin zador is my grandpa haha in your face

[naszerx]

yes THE HUNGARIAN TEAM IS THE BEST

[10588]

ervin zador is my swimm coach !!

[fchatvan]

you're lucky, he was a great sportman!

a hungarian

[orsolyak]

it is a really great movie ! i watched it yesterday.

[MrAnswer]

where is the guy that punched Ervin Zador?

[alex01010101]

Id really like to know which team wore what coloured hats in the game?? is it white Hungary , red Soviet?

[coryrhill]

hungary is white, my swim coach was #4 White, Ervin Zador

[qwermklp86]

I am hungarian and I was only 12 years old when I looked

this movie, but I think this is the best history movie.

THE HUNGARIAN WATER POLO TEAM IS THE BEST!! HAJRÁ MAGYAROK!!

[Yozanace]

You're right! Last year I watched this docu with my students in English class. I still remember the silence and the amazement of the kids. A truly moving story.

[joriandrake]

old truth, still truth:

Search for: Griffin on US Government subversion, Hungary

So you see the background to the failure of the revolution.

[ansx2]

is this gonna be an actual movie?

[sherbsherbiesherbet]

yup, it already is as far as i know, well a docu, dunno if itll ever be out around here tho, ill have to try and get it on dvd i spose!

[sherbsherbiesherbet]

have to say, that although i disagree with some of ure comments, its been nice to have a sensible convo, instead of the usual swearing you get on here when ppl disagree! :o)

[Campeone4]

OK,but don't forget the Jews and the role of right wing Hungarians in WW II

[sherbsherbiesherbet]

excuse me? what was that in aid of?

[Campeone4]

In aid of Anti-stalinists Euro-Marxists like Κastoriades

Sartr who condemned the russian subversion and free marxist Imre Nagy

[sherbsherbiesherbet]

yeah, that makes ure reply to my comment much more appropriate.

[sherbsherbiesherbet]

its a shame you cant see the error in calling everyone marxist, but its ure right to think what you want. what i was trying to get you to see was that instead of looking at the big picture, you should look at the finer details, and instead of pigeon holeing everyone, be open to the idea that there were many different driving forces behind 56.

[Tahmus]

No, but the revolutionary change that was brought about in Hungary can be classified as "socialist". Maybe your right. Maybe people just wanted freedom. But what they did, clearly, was marxist.5

[zoli19]

Sorry Tahmus, I must say you are wrong... In '56 when Nagy Imre was elected (he was the president that the repels supported) he prepared for new, multi-party democratic election, and he declared Hungary's neutrality and independence from the Eastern bloc. Is this marxism?

[sherbsherbiesherbet]

u need to listen to the stories from those that were there, and maybe ure mind will be opened the experiences of the normal ppl, the non politicians, and you will realise what a mistake you have made by claiming to know everything about something, when you only have a sociologist/ historians point of view.

[Tahmus]

I have heard from a people's point of view. Most people declare the Hungarian REvolution a "nationalist" or even "capitalistic" revolution, but it actually took on the form of a "anarchist" or "socialist" revolution.

[sherbsherbiesherbet]

but heres the thing, it seems you havent listened to the peoples point of view, because if you had you wouldnt dream of claiming to know what all of them stood for! heck, even if you had heard 1000 stories, you must realise it isnt right to claim to know? surely? i realise that although none of the ppl i know held marxist beliefs, there were marxists involved. u seem smart, so u must realise ure mistake in calling everyone invloved marxist?

[Tahmus]

What defines a "capitalist" revolution? Private ownership of all property, right? What defines a "socialist" revolution? Common ownership of all property, right? Examine wikipedia, examine your history books, and you would discover that people owned factories for the common good, owned land for the common good, and formed a new government for the common good. Those are the facts.

[sherbsherbiesherbet]

hhmmmmmmm, heres another couple of facts,1, uve ignored my point and 2, i know many ppl who were actually involved, including my parents, so please dont try to tell them what they were thinking. of all those i know who were involved, all they wanted was freedom. obviously some of those involved were marxists,but many more were not.

[Tahmus]

The workers of Budapest and other urban centers seized their factories and organized councils to cooperatively and democratically manage them. The students seized their universities. The peasants formed rural collectives. The people had demands, and out of such pressure, Nagy granted concessions to his people. That speech that he gave wasn't a result of him being a marxist, but out of everybody else being a marxist and wanting to hear that come out of his mouth.

[sherbsherbiesherbet]

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.heres the thing, history books, sites etc are all well and good, but rarely are they written by people that were actually at the events they describe.trying to make their country free from yet another invader doesnt make those involved marxist. you should really think before you use words such as everybody. sweeping generalisations arent too smart, and can make ppl less inclined to listen to ure point of view.

[Tahmus]

Tell me what kind of revolution it was. What kind of new social order and political structure did it formulate?

[Attila226]

Technically speaking it was more a revolt then a revolution. There was no new "social order"; what they wanted was their freedom.

From Wikipedia:

The Hungarian Revolution of 1956 was a spontaneous nationwide revolt against the authoritarian communist government of Hungary and its Soviet imposed policies, lasting from October 23 until November 10 of 1956.

[Tahmus]

Read the "interlude" and "political changes" chapters of that wikipedia entry.

[Attila226]

The people of Hungary didn't revolt because they wanted to practice marxism. They simply didn't want to be under Soviet occupation.

[Tahmus]

They wanted the "redistribution of wealth from the bureaucratic hands of the party", as Nagy voiced in one of his speeches announcing the nature of the revolt. Through their political actions, they made it appear as if they wanted socialism.

[Attila226]

Is that small quote supposed to prove that they nation wanted Marxism? I think you need to get a clue.

[Tahmus]

Aren't you guys aware that this was basically a marxist revolt against Stalinism? Upon the opening few weeks of the general strike, workplaces were placed into the democratic hands of the workers, community councils were formed, and recallable representives were elected from these areas. The government was not to receive higher wages than the average Hungarian worker. It did have some nationalistic overtones, but it was marxist nevertheless.

[Attila226]

Wrong!

[Tahmus]

Workers seized control of the means of production. The Hungarian Communist Party, under Nagy, basically lead the revolution. The peasants formed rural collectives and transported food into Budapest and other urban centers. Peasant and workers control. That's socialism.

[PoloPolly]

I think this film should be widely realized to make people realize, how truly intense that game was. I think that we should be constantly reminded of war, here in the U.S. cause even though we are at war, there's a lot of people who don't take it seriously and don't think war is that big of a deal, so seeing how it affects a country and it's people like it is portrayed in this film, will really open everybody's eyes.

[anthony68drake]

Looks like a great film...it was a true "people's revolt" against Soviet Imperialism that is oft ignored by communist loving Western elites. Glad to see Quinten Tarentino aboard as well, and clever way to tell the story without getting to preachy...through a sports event...so MANY turning points in history were tied in with sports.

[sherbsherbiesherbet]

personally im all for anything that helps ppl hear about what happened. my dad was involved in the fighting and captured 3 times, he spent his 17 bday in andrassy ut. its shocking how few ppl know about it, and how it was hushed up by a shameful west, who promised help, but failed to deliver. whether you like the film or not, anything that opens ppls eyes cant be a bad thing.

[brumacfer]

Great!! Waterpolo is the best sport ever! Nice movie telling about a game that become legend among waterpolo's players. This game is a true battle in the water.

[RedTerror]

Ridiculous film; a sports match as microcosm for geopolitical events.

simple "good" vs. "evil" tale.

Stock footage of Stalin's portrait being torn down was also used in the old BBC series "The World at War", in the context of German SS uprooting the soviet system in E. Europe.

Hammy narrator, and what's up with the red-white-blue title screen? (Operation) "Freedom's Fury" depicted in that graphic style seems so Fox News

I believe the Hungarian revolt was just, unlike shoddy historiography

[PoloPolly]

So i think that you shouldn't talk shit about something that you can't even begin to understand, and i honestly don't think you realize how powerful and signigicant that game really was.

[mancsa1025]

Have you ever been to Hungary?Have you ever met a Hungarian?You should ask before you speak!