RESURRECTION----thats christ bro, without his atonement and his ability to over come spiritual death we would not be resurrected. this plan is useless without christ! he is the way, the light, through him and his atonement we can live with are father in heaven forever. u can't just jugde the doctrine of a church by a bookmark dawg:)
Here is Gods plan. God is one, no other God before or after. Jesus is his son sent down as a sacrifice the final blood sacrifice to save us from Sin. Jesus died, Jesus rose and Jesus will come again. The communion is a memorial to this sacrifice. Believe in Jesus and the Holy Spirit will free you from the bondage of sin instantly. On our own efforts we get no where except tangled with Satan. That odd bookmark is a distraction it shows Satans complex diversion from God. God first always. AMEN
I am a Mormon and I do live in Utah. You are right, that cheap little bookmark totally misses the point. Jesus is the biggest part of the Plan of Salvation!
For non-Mormon Christians in Utah, I understand how you feel because I went to a baptist school in California for 9 years. It is natural for people of different groups to be uncomfortable around each other. I hope that we can work together despite are differences to promote peace and morality in this increasingly secular world.
@gavinomicsvideo How many times does the book of mormon talk about Jesus? Mormons are not Christians. Joe Smith is a false prophet. There is no we. You worship a different god, a god that does not exist.
How many times does the Book of mormon talk about Jesus?
Wordcount:
Jesus: 168 times
Christ: 325 times
He is also referred to many times by other names such as Messiah, Savior, Redeemer, etc.
The name of our Church is "The Church of Jesus Christ". What can be more clear?
Of course, I also believe that you worship a different god, a god that doesn't exist. But, since we can't move past this, let's spend our energy in working together to promote goodness in the world.
@gavinomicsvideo Wrong because the book of Mormon speaks of a Jesus that is made up by a false Prophet, and unless you repent of your self righteousness you will parish. Working together to promote peace and morality is useless without TRUTH, and you will not earn a 3rd heaven working for it. Grace is free gift from a God, the only 1 true God who never changes. Salvation can not be earned! The TRUTH must be proclaimed. Read your bible throw the book of Mormon away.
Check out a video called "Temple of The God makers". It's vary dated, but it was made by ex Mormons who left because things didn't add up. Very insightful. Thank You for your video. Funny once Mormons find out I'm a Christian (Catholic Christian, no less) they refuse to speak with me and even say hello, and they're my neighbors.
I think it ironic that folks attack Joseph Smith's legitimacy because he was imperfect and made some bad decisions...lol...the only perfect one was/is Christ. Please let me know where it says in the Bible that to be a true prophet of God you have to be perfect.
@bpeterson82 True a prophet does not have to be perfect. For all have sinned. But they have to prophesy with 100% accuracy Which Joseph Smith did not making him False.
Deu 18:21 "You may say in your heart, 'How will we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?'
Deu 18:22 "When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.
@bpeterson82 Does that response to your question make sence? Of you need proof of false prophacies that Joseph Smith made let me know I will post them.
Deu 18:21 "You may wonder how you can tell when a prophet's message does not come from the LORD.
Deu 18:22 If a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD and what he says does not come true, then it is not the LORD's message. That prophet has spoken on his own authority, and you are not to fear him.
@BecominglikeJESUS Sooo, a Prophet cannot be a person and have their own opinions? You do realize that they are imperfect humans. Yes, when they preach being inspired by God or have received revelations, it is from God. All the other times it is just another guy talking. I think you also don't understand conditional prophesies. //answers.yahoo.co m/question/index?qid=20080530123658AAuyC55
I do have to admit, even as a member of the church, that book mark IS confusing to read, even if you understand the Plan of Salvation. That is definatly not a "beginner's bookmark".
Who ever said the council of the gods was equal to the Almighty? For heaven's sakes I'm starting to think you are purposlely misunderstanding everything we've been talking about. The Almighty is the Head God of the gods, He has no equal! Sheesh. And by the way, I'm familiar with the incorrect anti mormon arguement about Joseph changing the nature of God. I've heard just about every arguement their is. You're refering to what the lectures of faith say about the God-Head.
As for the baptism of Jesus, it's not hard to grasp. In the Matthew account God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost all appear as distinct and separate entities. The Father and Holy Ghost testified of Christ. This is not God testifying of Himself, for Jesus said, If I testify of myself don't believe me. The reason we believe on Jesus is because of the testimony of the Father given by the Holy Ghost. There are numerous examples disproving the trinity in the bible. But this one suffices.
@TheOptimusprime9 You can't put the almighty into a singe form. He could take any form or shape necessary to do his will. The Holy Spirit became a dove. This doesn't mean the Holy Ghost is a dove. If you believe Joseph Smith, you must reject what the New Testament says.
@GiftoAll You're avoidiing the issue now. We aren't talking abou the Book of Mormon, we're talking about the divine council. Don't know why you're so against the idea. You don't have to be mormon to believe in it obviously, in fact, you don't even have to stop believing in the trinity. It just means you can't rip on mormons for believing in the concept, because it's true.
@GiftoAll If you want to call the Eloheim angels (Malakim), that is not fine by me. They are gods and you're perpetuating a change people made about the orginal doctrine of the Bible. The Hebrew is the truth, not your desperate theories.
@GiftoAll You don't have to believe in the divine potential of man to believe in the divine council. Michael S. Heizer doesn't. By saying that the the gods in psalms 82 are angels, you ARE calling elohim angels! That's what I have a problem with. You obviously don't understand that this is what you are doing. I would suggest doing some research so that you know what you are talking about before we discuss this further.
@TheOptimusprime9 All of this nonsense and confusion can easily be understood by examining the CAPITOL LETTERS. Trying to make a Mountain out of a molehill defending a council of Gods, are ye? men do not become Gods. Does this help?
@TheOptimusprime9 That doesn't disprove the trinity. It shows that God is made up of 3 dinstinct parts. They aren't glued together. I'm sure you know that Joseph changed the nature of God, many years after the Book of Mormon. The BofM says there is 1 God. Not 3 to make up the Godhead or that you only worship 1 out of many.
@GiftoAll I've heard that theory but it is incorrect. There is one God. That is a true teaching. Jesus taught in the bible very clearly what He meant by being one with the Father when he prayed for His disciples: John 17:21 "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." One in purpose. The trinity is NOT in the bible.
@TheOptimusprime9 Are you aware of how many times Joseph changed the nature of God? Before the doctine was removed from the D&C, there were 2 Gods, Jesus and the Father and the Holy Ghost was the mind between the 2. The trinity is not found in the Bible? It doesn't say trinity, but it clearly states there is but 1 God. The incarnate Christ is the word and is God. The Israelites were told there is 1 savior and he is God. How many verses talk about a council of Gods equal to the almighty?
@GiftoAll Once again you're changing the subject from the council of the Gods to something else. This time the teachngs of God contained in the lectures on faith. Well guess what? It wasn't wrong. The Hebrew belief concerning the council shows that the Almighty had a co-regent who oversaw and represented Him in the council. Is there One God? Yes. Are there two Gods who presides over the council? Yes. Is the Holy Ghost a member of the God Head? YES! You just don't have the whole picture.
@TheOptimusprime9 Jeeez. I looked everywhere in the Bible and couldn't find any council of "Gods". Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God [is] God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God. Psa 136:2 O give thanks unto the God of gods:
Or, follow Joseph Smith and....... Deu 13:6 Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
@GiftoAll "Jeez" you didn't look in Psalms 82 apparently!!!! It translates to "Divine council" from the Hebrew! You can't even take legitimate peer reviewed scholarship seriously, how can I expect you to interpret the bible correctly? You keep changing the issue. We aren't talking about men becoming gods, we are TALKING ABOUT THE DIVINE COUNCIL OF THE GODS. Do those capitol letters help YOU understand? If you were honest, you would see that this is a true doctrine. I'm done.
@TheOptimusprime9 You mean the Father, Word and Holy Ghost. That would be the Devine council. Or, are you talking about a devine, with a small d? I don't care about lds twistianity. There is only 1 God who is infinite and eternal. There are hundreds of gods, "who are judges and idols" throughout the Bible. The truth is, men do not become Gods. That is an outright blasphemy against the almighty.
@GiftoAll For the last time, the divine council is not the God head or trinity. Look up w w w divine council c o m or otherwise just keep on repeating the same old rehashed and false information all antis do. I don' really care what you do. You're over 50, you should know how to look stuff up. I'm not going to talk about anything else with you until you acknowlege the truth of the Divine council.
@TheOptimusprime9 You need to find a pre 1920 copy of the D&C and read what the brethren, "through revelation from God" said about the nature of God. I know that Joseph and the boys made it up as they went along. One part that was removed said the Father and Son were seperate Gods and the Holy Ghost is the mind between the Father and Son.
@GiftoAll Yah I already told you that I've examined the lectures on faith. You know so little about my faith that you don't even know that's what was in the pre 1920 D&C. And I already explained it all away.
@TheOptimusprime9 The lectures on faith fall short. You have no idea what Joseph and his school of the prophets invented. If you want to buy a copy of the missing part, you can pick one up at Sandra Tanners site.
I know so little about your faith? How many years does it take? I was a member from 8 years old to 50. Even today, members are taught that salvation comes through obedience to the laws and ordinances and Jesus must be repaid for his sacrifice. That isn't grace. That's religious bondage. The lds doctrines were invented by group of self righteous men who thought they were intelligent. They gathered together to redifine Biblical verse to satisfy their humanistic and legalistic desires.
@GiftoAll You know what? Since you wonn't look it up I'll Make it easy for you. Concerning Psalms 82 The second occurrence of )e5lo4h|<m must be plural due to the preposition in the midst
of. The Trinity cannot be the explanation for this divine plurality, since the psalm goes on to
detail how Israels God charges the other )e5lo4h|<m with corruption and sentences them to die like
@TheOptimusprime9 Is it beyond you to understand why there an emphasis put on certain words?That elohim is a lower case "e". Divine council is not in the King James Ps. 82. Are you looking at the J.S. translation? Now there's a pile of deception.
@GiftoAll Old man. I'm giving you the literal translation from the Hebrew from a world class bible scholar. The only decpetion going on around here is you decieving yourself. You have no idea what your talking about, and that's why this conversation is going in circles. Apparently you keep repeating the same lame duck arguments because you're suffering from Alzheimer's and keep forgetting I've proven the truth to you. If you don't want to believe it I can't convince you, but its still the truth.
@TheOptimusprime9 Good. A bit of humor. Just remember what Christ said about having the right gospel and right God. Beware of comfortable humanistic doctrines that exhalt men and deny the infinite nature of God.
prime, if you stop by again.... Peter said Pauls writings are scripture and from God. There are many infalable proofs. All the apostles were eye witnesses, the word of life was manifest. Jesus was seen 40 days and taught the kingdom of God. John said these things were written that you might believe, and it is sufficient for you to believe. All scripture is given by "God breathed".
TOp, God magnifies his word above his own name. His word is pure. His word will be preserved from generation to generation. It cannot be altered without discovery. He is a shield. Do not add to his word or be rebuked by God and be found a liar.
Joseph Smith changed the Word of God and look what happened to him! Shot DEAD after he destroyed the press that was going to reveal his true character.
Yes, there are. A big emphasis on the One God theme was placed during and after the deutoronic reforms. But once again, those verses reflect mono-Yahwism, not mono-Theism. Besides, the trinity is not, strictly speaking, monotheistic anyways. Ask any Jew or muslim. And no, the council consists of more gods than just the Father Son and Holy Ghost Hierarchy. Do your research and you'll see. I've given you the info you need to search it out.
@TheOptimusprime9 The infinite God that Christians believe in creates from the breath of his mouth. He is alone. There are no others like Him throughout all eternity.
LOL Jesus is Central to the whole thing Dude. Why were Satan and his followers caste out of God's presence? For loosing faith in Jesus Christ. Who created the earth? Jesus. How do the spirits in prison get access to the gospel after death? Jesus again. Oh here's one, ressurection. Why will we be ressurcted to glory? Because of Jesus. Who will Judge us? Jesus! Jesus is everywhere in that. The whole thing is saturated with Him. Hope that helps.
@TheOptimusprime9 The lds church uses the Lords name like a sport team mascot. The policy of your church is to not worship Jesus but reverence him. You should read the New Testament. If you live by the law, you will be judged by the law. Those who believe in other gods and do not accept the infinite Christ will be judged.
@GiftoAll Jesus said, "He that believeth on me, believeth not me but Him that sent me." He also said "My Father is greater than I." The belief that other divine beings, or gods, exist does not mean that I worship them and not Jesus. You should take a look at what bible scholars have learned about God's divine council of gods. It is central to every doctrine found in the old and new testament, and a proven fact that it was an original doctrine of the Hebrews that was lost.
@GiftoAll Exactly right. "God" is different from "gods," I was very carefull to make the distinction. Among all the gods, there is none like unto God. He is the king of all gods, and hold authority over them all. Nevertheless, the gods are still gods. And they assisted the Head of the gods in creating the world. This is proven fact in bible scholarship.
@GiftoAll Sorry, but interpreting "gods" from the original hebrew as judges, rulers, or leaders has been proven false by highly regarded, NON LDS scholars. I suggest you google the divine council and check out some of the peer reviewed bible scholar articles online. The gods are beings of legitimate deity.
@TheOptimusprime9 There is a vast difference between the Biblical description of God and the description given by Joseph. I'm sure you know what they are. Throughout the New Testament, Jesus as well as the apostles taught the people not to follow after anything that differed from what they presented. You also know the words of Jesus and his followers have never left the earth.
@GiftoAll There is a vast difference between the biblical descriptions of the nature and character of God and the character given in the niceanic creeds. The trinity is a post scriptural, non biblical novelty that never held by the ancient hebrews or the primitive christain church. If anything goes against what Jesus and His apostles taught about God, it would be the trinity.
@TheOptimusprime9 There is a vast difference between the Biblical and Nicene description of God? That's not true. The books of Moses and the New Testament tell us there is only 1 infinite, eternal God.
Ps. 16:4 "Their sorrows shall be multiplied that hasten after another god"
@GiftoAll You still haven't given a fair look at the divine council teachings in the books of Moses that have a direct influence on every doctrine in the new and old testaments. Check out what Michael Sheiser had to say on the issue. He even believes in the trinity, as unbiblical as that is, and proves that the divine council is a legitimate hebraic believe in our scriptures.
@TheOptimusprime9 There are many Biblical verses saying there is 1 God. Jesus said you must believe that he is the "I am" The creed did not invent anything new. They used Biblical verse. A divine council as in "the Father, Son and Holy Spirit"
@GiftoAll You are misinterpreting what Issiah and the apostles taught about God as "mono theistic," which is was not. This was never intended by the prophets and apostles. The emphasis on one God reflected Mono-Yawism, meaning the israelites were zealous to worship only Jehovah (the LORD God of Israel).
@TheOptimusprime9 What you are trying to promote was rejected by Jesus, the apostles and early church. Were there any Gods? no. Were there "gods" in name? Yes. The God of Israel never had a beginning. There is 1 God with 3 distict parts. If you believe in a created Lord, you do not worship the infinite, eternal God of Israel. LDS church doctrine fits perfectly into the Biblical description of worshipping another god, believing in other prophets, apostles and following another gospel.
@GiftoAll Yah, nice straw man arguement. Who ever said I worshiped a "created Lord?" That's a conclusion you yourself jumped to. As for the trinity, all you have to do is read the baptism of Jesus in Matthew to prove that to be false. The concept of the divine council IS biblical man. It's not just some "old jewish beliefs" that were false. Every biblical doctrine stems from the council. Check Psalms 82:1 : God (Elohim) stands in the divince council; in the midst of the gods (elohim) he passes..
@TheOptimusprime9 What about the baptism of Jesus. I never said that Jesus is the Father. The Bible doesn't go into depth about the divine council. You can't take divine council and create an infinite number of Gods. That's what Joseph S. invented. This council could easily mean the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost, along with the Biblical description of angels, the sons of God.
@GiftoAll What I said about the Nicene creeds being unbiblical is completley true. Believing that God has no body, has no appetites or passions, and the teaching that the Father and Son and Holy Spirit are all one Being of the same substance. None of these things is found in the scriptures. This doctrine didn't come from the bible, it was projected onto it.
@TheOptimusprime9@TheOptimusprime9 The Jews were attacked and destroyed many times because they went after other idiologies and other gods. Now you're telling me these old Jewish beliefs are correct and you're trying to call them Biblical? They're not Biblical. Read what the prophets and apostles said about Gods nature and identity. He most certainly was never created or mortal until the son arrived to correct Adams fall from grace.
@GiftoAll ...judgement. Elohim is not interpreted here as "judges" or rulers or princes or kings. They are gods, not only in name but in divinity. Again, peer reviewed biblical scholarship has proven the interpretation you give for elohim in this case compeletly wrong. The original Hebrew tells it all. And hey, I believe in the infinite God who created all things too. I worship none other.
@TheOptimusprime9 The elohim could be any number of creations or have inherited association to the infinite God. The Bible is very clear about 1 infinite deity that created all things. Angels are the sons of God and could easily fall into elohim category. The description given to us about heavenly creations with power, does not mean there is a genealogical heritage of many (Gods)
The Father is spirit. Christ is the word, creator, mediator and Savior. The Holy Ghost is spirit. These 3 make up God. The Father is not the Son. The Father is not the Holy Ghost.
@GiftoAll I'm getting really bored arguing this point. The elohim are gods. Not angels, not princes, not rulers or judges. Don't take my word for it. Look it up in the PEER REVIEWED NON LDS ARTICLES OF MICHAEL SCHEISER. He has proven that the sons of God are gods. And yes I am lds. You assumed I believed in a "created Lord," and that is not true. Jesus is an indepdant uncreated intelligence. Your arguements only work when you're allowed to misrepresent my beliefs.
@TheOptimusprime9 I just repeat what the Bible says. You are getting bored trying to prove your point with mans peer reviewed articles, not the Bible. I'll give you a peer reviewed study. Craig Criddle Ph.D, Professor at Stanford did a study showing a connection via word print analysis & historical evidences on who wrote the Book of Mormon.
@GiftoAll As for the infinite God, that's exactly what He is. The unbiblical trinity teaches He has no body, that He is three beings while somehow being one Being, that he has no appitites or passions, and that He is incomprehensible. THAT is not the infinite God spoken of in the bible. You spout off what your creeds teach, not what the bible teaches, since you obviously love your creeds more than God's word.
@TheOptimusprime9 Since his ministry, the faithful have gathered where possible to praise and worship Him alone. Even today, hundreds of Christians around the world are persecuted and killed because of Christ. The Lord was truthfull when he said that his body of believers would never disolve or be destroyed. There never has been a restoration. Restitution does not mean restoration.
Wow nice observation... Where is Jesus anyway in that illustration you have... I think you must not base only to that illustration better check it from the doctrine of that church... I think this can help you i guess...
LDS says they are the Church of Jesus Christ....Are any of them baptized in the name of Jesus Christ? Do their churches baptise IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST?
As many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Gal.3:27
@Criterionx9 Sorry, not buyin it. Every group out there says we do it "right". You say you do everything in His name. I doubt that. Do you baptize every convert "in the name of Jesus Christ"? Jesus said there will be many who say Lord, Lord, we did this and that "in your name"...he will say depart I never knew you. You have to "know" who you're talking about when you say the name of JESUS. The mormons teach another Jesus not represented by Scripture. Repent!
@nrhouseman The scriptures also say "judge not lest ye be judged". You asked "do you baptize every convert in the name of Jesus Christ" I simply answered you and you respond by accusing me of lying etc.Why would I lie about that? Do you really think you can presume to tell me what I believe? Judge not lest ye be judged.
@Criterionx9 What? Being humble is being a worker? You have your church mixed up with the infinite God. You don't worship God. You believe your church will save you by the amount of works you do.
HAHA Thats good, it's funny, me and a friend were recently there we asked them how to be saved, hey never said the word JESUS but... they had grace, perseverance, faith, works all built into there brains with no knowledge of what it all truely meant!!!
Jesus is in there he came to earth as man.. he went through the stages we all did.. and he is also in the for first resurrection and final judgement . what do u expect there be earth and arcross earth is the words Christ comes?? we all know he came to mortal life thats WHY he came to save us all .. like i said he came the same way we did.. and u notice there is no adam and eve.. like we all know they came the same way also
@Bearkiller777 Have you never heard "Faith without works is dead"? Also did you know that the Hebrew word for faith is a verb? Therefore action is required. Basicly, simply saying you believe doesn't do much for you. You must live according to your beliefs.
@Bearkiller777 I guess you don't mind being like the fig tree Jesus rebuked and caused to wither away because it bore no fruit? Why else would you teach people to distain good works?
@Bearkiller777 you are wrong. LDS believes in the same GOD as Abraham Issac and Jacob. But think about it, why did Jesus die? He couldn't die if he is GOD.
@Criterionx9 Tell me. Was Christs sacrifice sufficient in your church to live with God? Is Jesus an exhalted man, or God? Where did Jesus pay for sin?
@Bearkiller777 Why don't you stick to preaching your own beliefs and quit misrepresenting something you're clueless about ie the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints.
@Bearkiller777 All the spirits are children of God. Where else do you think they came form? Some rebelled the first one was Lucifer who became Satan after his rebellion. Where in the Bible do you think it says otherwise?
@Criterionx9 This is going to crush you. There is no premortal existance for man. You are NOT a spirit child of God. Jesus is NOT Satans spirit brother. Jesus created all things in heaven and earth. If you live by the law, you will be judged by the law.
@Criterionx9 Want some Biblical truth? There is 1 God. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD. Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not [a mediator] of one, but God is one.
@GiftoAll When Jesus was baptised the voice of God was heard from the heavens "this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased". Do oyu suppose God to be a ventrilloquist?
@Criterionx9 The Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are three distinct beings who are all one in purpose and authority under the Father they are all One God.
@Criterionx9 Honestly I don't know whats the point in discussing anything with a Mormon. Mormon theology is so wacked out and far away from biblical teaching. Mormons elevate J.Smith to the status of Jesus and say one MUST follow J.Smith or they are lost. The doctrine involved with LDS and J.Smith are anti BIBLE and contradict the Apostles' doctrine.
@nrhouseman You've got quite the fictional erligion going for you there. Truthfully there is no Mormon church. so what the heck do you think you're talking about?
@Criterionx9 Well if you are asking me what I'm talking about that would mean you are lost. I agree...no Mormon church. But if you've read my comments and still need to ask "what the heck do you think you're talking about?" then you are the one lost and confused. You really want to know "what the heck I'm talking about" you're gonna have to be specific to what you want to know....
@Criterionx9 ...touchy touchy. Whether you "needed" to or didn't makes no difference to me. Fact is you did ask me what was I talking about so I responded, "be more specific." That's all...and you know what, this is stupid and going no where. Of course there is a Mormon Church you moron...the Mormon church is very real and thousands of souls are in it and all headed straight to Hell if they don't get out of that false church. The Mormon church is a cult of J.S. and was not founded by J.C.
@nrhouseman This "Mormon church" you love to malign and hate, I can assure you doens't exist. Ever hear of a misnomer? Best to check your facts before spewing any vitriol.
@Criterionx9 Haha Cheers nothing, you've said nothing to me worth reading. I haven't heard a single point or a legitimate question from you. You wrote some words but you not saying anything. "The wise man speaks because he has something to say, the fool because he has to say something."
@nrhouseman Its your right to ignore the truth if you so wish. Nevertheless I repeat my point, there is no such church as this "Mormon Church" you refer to. Ignore the truth at your own peril.
@GiftoAll In the original Greek in the beginning was LOGOS... the greek word logos means plan, reason or, word. In the beginning Christ was with God the Father He was the reason God created the heavens and the earth His life is the plan for us to follow.
@Criterionx9 logos = the divine wisdom manifest in the creation, government, and redemption of the world and often identified with the second person of the Trinity, "Christ" = the Word. Jesus created all things in the heavens and earth. I would like to point out the Son is not the Father in the Christian church.
@Bearkiller777 it doesn't matter where you live. I've read the misrepresentations you're putting out. Your views are obviously tainted. Why all the hatred?
@Bearkiller777 You need to reread your own comments. Most of them are no more than twisted misrepresentations of LDS beliefs. What is the source of your obvious hatred? Each denomination has it's own unique doctrine. Why choose LDS to malign?
You take it I'm a Mormon? There is no such thing as the Mormon Church. That is a misnomer. I am a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
@Bearkiller777 You insinuate that Pres Hinckley's quote says we don't believe in the Christ of the Bible. Thats just one falsehood you strive to perpetuate.
@Criterionx9 A falsehood? The Christ you believe in is not infinite. The Christ you believe in is the spirit brother of Satan. The Christ you believe in did not pay for all sin. Those are not just heresies. They are blasphemies.
@Criterionx9 Joseph Smith stole the name of Christ for the church. That does not mean you belong to the body of Christ. lds doctrines blaspheme God. They are not even close to the gospel of Christ.
@Criterionx9 Did the Christ of the New Testament complete everything or do you believe there are ceremonies to perform and works that need to be done?
@GiftoAll Jesus Taught us to pray to His father. You better make sure you aren't condemning those who pray to the same Person Jesus prayed to, otherwise you'll be in hot water.
@TheOptimusprime9 First off, the god you believe in is not infinite and eternal. Second, how will you ever be forgiven of your sins if you never talk to the Savior? There are many verse showing that Jesus is God and he should be honored like the Father. Jhn 5:23 That all [men] should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
@GiftoAll Yes that's one of my favorite scriptures. I do indeed honor the Son as I honor the Father. As for talking about Jesus Christ, do you really live in Utah, surrounded by mormons, and still no so little about their beliefs? I talk about Jesus Christ everyday. I thank God, in the name of Christ, that the missionaries brought me to Christ so that I could be blessed with salvation. Every class I teach at church is aimed at increasing other's faith in Jesus.
@TheOptimusprime9 A few observations. Worship of the Father and Son within the lds church is very subtle and assumed to be worship. The main plate of worship is served within stories about mans obedience to the requests of the brethren and reafirming that the church originators and doctines are true. The books of the New Testament are seldom or never taught during the classes or meetings. Who do you really worship? Mans achievements? The family? The church?
@GiftoAll The worship of God in my church is done silently and reverently during the sacrament, when we recognize and give thanks for Jesus' sacrifice by promising to obey the commandments of Christ. I worship God in a sacred, reverent manner. We worship the true and living God.
@TheOptimusprime9 God is not an exhalted man. What ever reverance or worship you do, is to another god. The lds church has taken the commandments of the eternal God of Israel and used it to control the members.
Thanks for sending that video.GOD is awesome how he answers and provide ways.I was just thinking how to witness to one guy with proper knowledge and its been hanging for days.I should study it before I approach him again,May GOD help me be his good servant.Thanks GOD BLESS YOU
Praise the Lord for his word. Another thing mormons do. Every Sunday they promise to not sin when they take Sacrament knowing full well they will not be able to stop. What if you promised you boss something and did not follow threw? They do this every Sunday, ask them how long they have been going to church and do the math. It will get them to think about what they are saying and than have to deal with it. Thanks for watching God Bless. I'll be praying for you.
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RESURRECTION----thats christ bro, without his atonement and his ability to over come spiritual death we would not be resurrected. this plan is useless without christ! he is the way, the light, through him and his atonement we can live with are father in heaven forever. u can't just jugde the doctrine of a church by a bookmark dawg:)
xSparky117x 4 months ago
Here is Gods plan. God is one, no other God before or after. Jesus is his son sent down as a sacrifice the final blood sacrifice to save us from Sin. Jesus died, Jesus rose and Jesus will come again. The communion is a memorial to this sacrifice. Believe in Jesus and the Holy Spirit will free you from the bondage of sin instantly. On our own efforts we get no where except tangled with Satan. That odd bookmark is a distraction it shows Satans complex diversion from God. God first always. AMEN
WeeGrahamsaccount 5 months ago
Haha,
I am a Mormon and I do live in Utah. You are right, that cheap little bookmark totally misses the point. Jesus is the biggest part of the Plan of Salvation!
For non-Mormon Christians in Utah, I understand how you feel because I went to a baptist school in California for 9 years. It is natural for people of different groups to be uncomfortable around each other. I hope that we can work together despite are differences to promote peace and morality in this increasingly secular world.
gavinomicsvideo 6 months ago
@gavinomicsvideo How many times does the book of mormon talk about Jesus? Mormons are not Christians. Joe Smith is a false prophet. There is no we. You worship a different god, a god that does not exist.
BecominglikeJESUS 6 months ago
@BecominglikeJESUS
How many times does the Book of mormon talk about Jesus?
Wordcount:
Jesus: 168 times
Christ: 325 times
He is also referred to many times by other names such as Messiah, Savior, Redeemer, etc.
The name of our Church is "The Church of Jesus Christ". What can be more clear?
Of course, I also believe that you worship a different god, a god that doesn't exist. But, since we can't move past this, let's spend our energy in working together to promote goodness in the world.
gavinomicsvideo 6 months ago
@gavinomicsvideo Wrong because the book of Mormon speaks of a Jesus that is made up by a false Prophet, and unless you repent of your self righteousness you will parish. Working together to promote peace and morality is useless without TRUTH, and you will not earn a 3rd heaven working for it. Grace is free gift from a God, the only 1 true God who never changes. Salvation can not be earned! The TRUTH must be proclaimed. Read your bible throw the book of Mormon away.
BecominglikeJESUS 6 months ago
@BecominglikeJESUS
I try to repent everyday. As I do, I feel the peace in my heart that comes from the grace of God.
Your antagonism against me sure doesn't seem very Christ-like. I wish you the best.
gavinomicsvideo 6 months ago
@gavinomicsvideo I speak to you like Jesus spoke to the Pharisees because your one in the same. Read the Bible
BecominglikeJESUS 6 months ago
Check out a video called "Temple of The God makers". It's vary dated, but it was made by ex Mormons who left because things didn't add up. Very insightful. Thank You for your video. Funny once Mormons find out I'm a Christian (Catholic Christian, no less) they refuse to speak with me and even say hello, and they're my neighbors.
Please watch that video. It's very eye opening.
Peace
crushfan76 8 months ago
there is no real need for Jesus for them because there is no real hell... well all go to heaven and thus no need for saving. jacked up right?
paint1487 9 months ago
Great video!! Its good to know there are christians in Utah trying help people open up there eyes to the true Jesus Christ.
pedroelcarvron 11 months ago
I think it ironic that folks attack Joseph Smith's legitimacy because he was imperfect and made some bad decisions...lol...the only perfect one was/is Christ. Please let me know where it says in the Bible that to be a true prophet of God you have to be perfect.
bpeterson82 1 year ago
@bpeterson82 True a prophet does not have to be perfect. For all have sinned. But they have to prophesy with 100% accuracy Which Joseph Smith did not making him False.
Deu 18:21 "You may say in your heart, 'How will we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?'
Deu 18:22 "When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.
BecominglikeJESUS 1 year ago
@bpeterson82 Does that response to your question make sence? Of you need proof of false prophacies that Joseph Smith made let me know I will post them.
BecominglikeJESUS 1 year ago
@bpeterson82 prophecy woops misspelled that one big time . :-)
BecominglikeJESUS 1 year ago
@BecominglikeJESUS Sorry it took so long to reply
BecominglikeJESUS 6 months ago
Respond to this video... Sorry I took so long to respond
BecominglikeJESUS 6 months ago
@bpeterson82
Deu 18:21 "You may wonder how you can tell when a prophet's message does not come from the LORD.
Deu 18:22 If a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD and what he says does not come true, then it is not the LORD's message. That prophet has spoken on his own authority, and you are not to fear him.
BecominglikeJESUS 6 months ago
@BecominglikeJESUS Sooo, a Prophet cannot be a person and have their own opinions? You do realize that they are imperfect humans. Yes, when they preach being inspired by God or have received revelations, it is from God. All the other times it is just another guy talking. I think you also don't understand conditional prophesies. //answers.yahoo.co m/question/index?qid=20080530123658AAuyC55
bpeterson82 6 months ago
I do have to admit, even as a member of the church, that book mark IS confusing to read, even if you understand the Plan of Salvation. That is definatly not a "beginner's bookmark".
mrmn8honeybee 1 year ago
Pre-mortial exsistance? lol
mrmn8honeybee 1 year ago
@mrmn8honeybee seriously... I'd love to see where mormons find that in the creation story...
paint1487 9 months ago
Who ever said the council of the gods was equal to the Almighty? For heaven's sakes I'm starting to think you are purposlely misunderstanding everything we've been talking about. The Almighty is the Head God of the gods, He has no equal! Sheesh. And by the way, I'm familiar with the incorrect anti mormon arguement about Joseph changing the nature of God. I've heard just about every arguement their is. You're refering to what the lectures of faith say about the God-Head.
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
As for the baptism of Jesus, it's not hard to grasp. In the Matthew account God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost all appear as distinct and separate entities. The Father and Holy Ghost testified of Christ. This is not God testifying of Himself, for Jesus said, If I testify of myself don't believe me. The reason we believe on Jesus is because of the testimony of the Father given by the Holy Ghost. There are numerous examples disproving the trinity in the bible. But this one suffices.
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 You can't put the almighty into a singe form. He could take any form or shape necessary to do his will. The Holy Spirit became a dove. This doesn't mean the Holy Ghost is a dove. If you believe Joseph Smith, you must reject what the New Testament says.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll You're avoidiing the issue now. We aren't talking abou the Book of Mormon, we're talking about the divine council. Don't know why you're so against the idea. You don't have to be mormon to believe in it obviously, in fact, you don't even have to stop believing in the trinity. It just means you can't rip on mormons for believing in the concept, because it's true.
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 If you want to call heavenly priests or angels, "gods" fine with me. They will never be Gods.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll If you want to call the Eloheim angels (Malakim), that is not fine by me. They are gods and you're perpetuating a change people made about the orginal doctrine of the Bible. The Hebrew is the truth, not your desperate theories.
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 I never said the angels are Eloheim or Gods.
I would never get carried away with a belief that men could become Gods. There's a Biblical word that describes this kind of doctrine.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll You don't have to believe in the divine potential of man to believe in the divine council. Michael S. Heizer doesn't. By saying that the the gods in psalms 82 are angels, you ARE calling elohim angels! That's what I have a problem with. You obviously don't understand that this is what you are doing. I would suggest doing some research so that you know what you are talking about before we discuss this further.
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 All of this nonsense and confusion can easily be understood by examining the CAPITOL LETTERS. Trying to make a Mountain out of a molehill defending a council of Gods, are ye? men do not become Gods. Does this help?
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 That doesn't disprove the trinity. It shows that God is made up of 3 dinstinct parts. They aren't glued together. I'm sure you know that Joseph changed the nature of God, many years after the Book of Mormon. The BofM says there is 1 God. Not 3 to make up the Godhead or that you only worship 1 out of many.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll I've heard that theory but it is incorrect. There is one God. That is a true teaching. Jesus taught in the bible very clearly what He meant by being one with the Father when he prayed for His disciples: John 17:21 "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." One in purpose. The trinity is NOT in the bible.
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 Are you aware of how many times Joseph changed the nature of God? Before the doctine was removed from the D&C, there were 2 Gods, Jesus and the Father and the Holy Ghost was the mind between the 2. The trinity is not found in the Bible? It doesn't say trinity, but it clearly states there is but 1 God. The incarnate Christ is the word and is God. The Israelites were told there is 1 savior and he is God. How many verses talk about a council of Gods equal to the almighty?
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll Once again you're changing the subject from the council of the Gods to something else. This time the teachngs of God contained in the lectures on faith. Well guess what? It wasn't wrong. The Hebrew belief concerning the council shows that the Almighty had a co-regent who oversaw and represented Him in the council. Is there One God? Yes. Are there two Gods who presides over the council? Yes. Is the Holy Ghost a member of the God Head? YES! You just don't have the whole picture.
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 Jeeez. I looked everywhere in the Bible and couldn't find any council of "Gods". Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God [is] God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God. Psa 136:2 O give thanks unto the God of gods:
Or, follow Joseph Smith and....... Deu 13:6 Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll "Jeez" you didn't look in Psalms 82 apparently!!!! It translates to "Divine council" from the Hebrew! You can't even take legitimate peer reviewed scholarship seriously, how can I expect you to interpret the bible correctly? You keep changing the issue. We aren't talking about men becoming gods, we are TALKING ABOUT THE DIVINE COUNCIL OF THE GODS. Do those capitol letters help YOU understand? If you were honest, you would see that this is a true doctrine. I'm done.
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 You mean the Father, Word and Holy Ghost. That would be the Devine council. Or, are you talking about a devine, with a small d? I don't care about lds twistianity. There is only 1 God who is infinite and eternal. There are hundreds of gods, "who are judges and idols" throughout the Bible. The truth is, men do not become Gods. That is an outright blasphemy against the almighty.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll For the last time, the divine council is not the God head or trinity. Look up w w w divine council c o m or otherwise just keep on repeating the same old rehashed and false information all antis do. I don' really care what you do. You're over 50, you should know how to look stuff up. I'm not going to talk about anything else with you until you acknowlege the truth of the Divine council.
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 You need to find a pre 1920 copy of the D&C and read what the brethren, "through revelation from God" said about the nature of God. I know that Joseph and the boys made it up as they went along. One part that was removed said the Father and Son were seperate Gods and the Holy Ghost is the mind between the Father and Son.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll Yah I already told you that I've examined the lectures on faith. You know so little about my faith that you don't even know that's what was in the pre 1920 D&C. And I already explained it all away.
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 The lectures on faith fall short. You have no idea what Joseph and his school of the prophets invented. If you want to buy a copy of the missing part, you can pick one up at Sandra Tanners site.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
I know so little about your faith? How many years does it take? I was a member from 8 years old to 50. Even today, members are taught that salvation comes through obedience to the laws and ordinances and Jesus must be repaid for his sacrifice. That isn't grace. That's religious bondage. The lds doctrines were invented by group of self righteous men who thought they were intelligent. They gathered together to redifine Biblical verse to satisfy their humanistic and legalistic desires.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll You know what? Since you wonn't look it up I'll Make it easy for you. Concerning Psalms 82 The second occurrence of )e5lo4h|<m must be plural due to the preposition in the midst
of. The Trinity cannot be the explanation for this divine plurality, since the psalm goes on to
detail how Israels God charges the other )e5lo4h|<m with corruption and sentences them to die like
humankind. -Michael Heiser PHD
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 Is it beyond you to understand why there an emphasis put on certain words?That elohim is a lower case "e". Divine council is not in the King James Ps. 82. Are you looking at the J.S. translation? Now there's a pile of deception.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll Old man. I'm giving you the literal translation from the Hebrew from a world class bible scholar. The only decpetion going on around here is you decieving yourself. You have no idea what your talking about, and that's why this conversation is going in circles. Apparently you keep repeating the same lame duck arguments because you're suffering from Alzheimer's and keep forgetting I've proven the truth to you. If you don't want to believe it I can't convince you, but its still the truth.
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 Good. A bit of humor. Just remember what Christ said about having the right gospel and right God. Beware of comfortable humanistic doctrines that exhalt men and deny the infinite nature of God.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
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GiftoAll 1 year ago
prime, if you stop by again.... Peter said Pauls writings are scripture and from God. There are many infalable proofs. All the apostles were eye witnesses, the word of life was manifest. Jesus was seen 40 days and taught the kingdom of God. John said these things were written that you might believe, and it is sufficient for you to believe. All scripture is given by "God breathed".
GiftoAll 1 year ago
TOp, God magnifies his word above his own name. His word is pure. His word will be preserved from generation to generation. It cannot be altered without discovery. He is a shield. Do not add to his word or be rebuked by God and be found a liar.
Joseph Smith changed the Word of God and look what happened to him! Shot DEAD after he destroyed the press that was going to reveal his true character.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
TOp. Obedience and pioty rules your world. The day you find truth, it will crush you to tears. I hope it doesn't come at death.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
Yes, there are. A big emphasis on the One God theme was placed during and after the deutoronic reforms. But once again, those verses reflect mono-Yahwism, not mono-Theism. Besides, the trinity is not, strictly speaking, monotheistic anyways. Ask any Jew or muslim. And no, the council consists of more gods than just the Father Son and Holy Ghost Hierarchy. Do your research and you'll see. I've given you the info you need to search it out.
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 The infinite God that Christians believe in creates from the breath of his mouth. He is alone. There are no others like Him throughout all eternity.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
LOL Jesus is Central to the whole thing Dude. Why were Satan and his followers caste out of God's presence? For loosing faith in Jesus Christ. Who created the earth? Jesus. How do the spirits in prison get access to the gospel after death? Jesus again. Oh here's one, ressurection. Why will we be ressurcted to glory? Because of Jesus. Who will Judge us? Jesus! Jesus is everywhere in that. The whole thing is saturated with Him. Hope that helps.
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 The lds church uses the Lords name like a sport team mascot. The policy of your church is to not worship Jesus but reverence him. You should read the New Testament. If you live by the law, you will be judged by the law. Those who believe in other gods and do not accept the infinite Christ will be judged.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll Jesus said, "He that believeth on me, believeth not me but Him that sent me." He also said "My Father is greater than I." The belief that other divine beings, or gods, exist does not mean that I worship them and not Jesus. You should take a look at what bible scholars have learned about God's divine council of gods. It is central to every doctrine found in the old and new testament, and a proven fact that it was an original doctrine of the Hebrews that was lost.
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 You misinterpret "gods and God". They are not the same.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll Exactly right. "God" is different from "gods," I was very carefull to make the distinction. Among all the gods, there is none like unto God. He is the king of all gods, and hold authority over them all. Nevertheless, the gods are still gods. And they assisted the Head of the gods in creating the world. This is proven fact in bible scholarship.
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 gods in the Bible could also be described as judges or leaders or kings. They are not deity like God. They never will be.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll Sorry, but interpreting "gods" from the original hebrew as judges, rulers, or leaders has been proven false by highly regarded, NON LDS scholars. I suggest you google the divine council and check out some of the peer reviewed bible scholar articles online. The gods are beings of legitimate deity.
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 You might as well toss Isaiah and the other books of the prophets and apostles saying there is only 1 eternal God.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 There is a vast difference between the Biblical description of God and the description given by Joseph. I'm sure you know what they are. Throughout the New Testament, Jesus as well as the apostles taught the people not to follow after anything that differed from what they presented. You also know the words of Jesus and his followers have never left the earth.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll There is a vast difference between the biblical descriptions of the nature and character of God and the character given in the niceanic creeds. The trinity is a post scriptural, non biblical novelty that never held by the ancient hebrews or the primitive christain church. If anything goes against what Jesus and His apostles taught about God, it would be the trinity.
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 There is a vast difference between the Biblical and Nicene description of God? That's not true. The books of Moses and the New Testament tell us there is only 1 infinite, eternal God.
Ps. 16:4 "Their sorrows shall be multiplied that hasten after another god"
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll You still haven't given a fair look at the divine council teachings in the books of Moses that have a direct influence on every doctrine in the new and old testaments. Check out what Michael Sheiser had to say on the issue. He even believes in the trinity, as unbiblical as that is, and proves that the divine council is a legitimate hebraic believe in our scriptures.
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 There are many Biblical verses saying there is 1 God. Jesus said you must believe that he is the "I am" The creed did not invent anything new. They used Biblical verse. A divine council as in "the Father, Son and Holy Spirit"
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll You are misinterpreting what Issiah and the apostles taught about God as "mono theistic," which is was not. This was never intended by the prophets and apostles. The emphasis on one God reflected Mono-Yawism, meaning the israelites were zealous to worship only Jehovah (the LORD God of Israel).
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 What you are trying to promote was rejected by Jesus, the apostles and early church. Were there any Gods? no. Were there "gods" in name? Yes. The God of Israel never had a beginning. There is 1 God with 3 distict parts. If you believe in a created Lord, you do not worship the infinite, eternal God of Israel. LDS church doctrine fits perfectly into the Biblical description of worshipping another god, believing in other prophets, apostles and following another gospel.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll Yah, nice straw man arguement. Who ever said I worshiped a "created Lord?" That's a conclusion you yourself jumped to. As for the trinity, all you have to do is read the baptism of Jesus in Matthew to prove that to be false. The concept of the divine council IS biblical man. It's not just some "old jewish beliefs" that were false. Every biblical doctrine stems from the council. Check Psalms 82:1 : God (Elohim) stands in the divince council; in the midst of the gods (elohim) he passes..
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 I thought you were lds. You don't believe that Jesus was a created spirit?
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 What about the baptism of Jesus. I never said that Jesus is the Father. The Bible doesn't go into depth about the divine council. You can't take divine council and create an infinite number of Gods. That's what Joseph S. invented. This council could easily mean the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost, along with the Biblical description of angels, the sons of God.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll What I said about the Nicene creeds being unbiblical is completley true. Believing that God has no body, has no appetites or passions, and the teaching that the Father and Son and Holy Spirit are all one Being of the same substance. None of these things is found in the scriptures. This doctrine didn't come from the bible, it was projected onto it.
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 @TheOptimusprime9 The Jews were attacked and destroyed many times because they went after other idiologies and other gods. Now you're telling me these old Jewish beliefs are correct and you're trying to call them Biblical? They're not Biblical. Read what the prophets and apostles said about Gods nature and identity. He most certainly was never created or mortal until the son arrived to correct Adams fall from grace.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll ...judgement. Elohim is not interpreted here as "judges" or rulers or princes or kings. They are gods, not only in name but in divinity. Again, peer reviewed biblical scholarship has proven the interpretation you give for elohim in this case compeletly wrong. The original Hebrew tells it all. And hey, I believe in the infinite God who created all things too. I worship none other.
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 The elohim could be any number of creations or have inherited association to the infinite God. The Bible is very clear about 1 infinite deity that created all things. Angels are the sons of God and could easily fall into elohim category. The description given to us about heavenly creations with power, does not mean there is a genealogical heritage of many (Gods)
GiftoAll 1 year ago
The Father is spirit. Christ is the word, creator, mediator and Savior. The Holy Ghost is spirit. These 3 make up God. The Father is not the Son. The Father is not the Holy Ghost.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll I'm getting really bored arguing this point. The elohim are gods. Not angels, not princes, not rulers or judges. Don't take my word for it. Look it up in the PEER REVIEWED NON LDS ARTICLES OF MICHAEL SCHEISER. He has proven that the sons of God are gods. And yes I am lds. You assumed I believed in a "created Lord," and that is not true. Jesus is an indepdant uncreated intelligence. Your arguements only work when you're allowed to misrepresent my beliefs.
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 I just repeat what the Bible says. You are getting bored trying to prove your point with mans peer reviewed articles, not the Bible. I'll give you a peer reviewed study. Craig Criddle Ph.D, Professor at Stanford did a study showing a connection via word print analysis & historical evidences on who wrote the Book of Mormon.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 That's a sly way to skirt around what your church teaches. Infinite uncreated intelligence? That is not the infinite God.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll As for the infinite God, that's exactly what He is. The unbiblical trinity teaches He has no body, that He is three beings while somehow being one Being, that he has no appitites or passions, and that He is incomprehensible. THAT is not the infinite God spoken of in the bible. You spout off what your creeds teach, not what the bible teaches, since you obviously love your creeds more than God's word.
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 Since his ministry, the faithful have gathered where possible to praise and worship Him alone. Even today, hundreds of Christians around the world are persecuted and killed because of Christ. The Lord was truthfull when he said that his body of believers would never disolve or be destroyed. There never has been a restoration. Restitution does not mean restoration.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 Great comment!
Criterionx9 1 year ago
@Criterionx9 Thanks friend.
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
Wow nice observation... Where is Jesus anyway in that illustration you have... I think you must not base only to that illustration better check it from the doctrine of that church... I think this can help you i guess...
crespabs 2 years ago
Duh!
Advice4vice 2 years ago
LDS says they are the Church of Jesus Christ....Are any of them baptized in the name of Jesus Christ? Do their churches baptise IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST?
As many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Gal.3:27
nrhouseman 2 years ago
@nrhouseman Everything we do is in His name.
Criterionx9 1 year ago
@Criterionx9 Sorry, not buyin it. Every group out there says we do it "right". You say you do everything in His name. I doubt that. Do you baptize every convert "in the name of Jesus Christ"? Jesus said there will be many who say Lord, Lord, we did this and that "in your name"...he will say depart I never knew you. You have to "know" who you're talking about when you say the name of JESUS. The mormons teach another Jesus not represented by Scripture. Repent!
nrhouseman 1 year ago
@nrhouseman The scriptures also say "judge not lest ye be judged". You asked "do you baptize every convert in the name of Jesus Christ" I simply answered you and you respond by accusing me of lying etc.Why would I lie about that? Do you really think you can presume to tell me what I believe? Judge not lest ye be judged.
Criterionx9 1 year ago
Everyone needs to tell the mormons that God removed the works for salvation to extinguish the pride of men.
This is what mormonism is, "pride".
Show them pride and envy is just as much of a sin as lust or theft.
It's a tough sell because they think they are sinless. They get a signed paper from their bishop that proves they are worthy, "to their church".
GiftoAll 2 years ago
@GiftoAll Being humble means to do as God has commanded, certainly that is workor are you thinking only the lazy are humble?
Criterionx9 1 year ago
@Criterionx9 What? Being humble is being a worker? You have your church mixed up with the infinite God. You don't worship God. You believe your church will save you by the amount of works you do.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll More lies from your foul mouth.Lie all you want about your own beliefs I'll know you by your actions. I will know you by your works.
Criterionx9 1 year ago
@Criterionx9 I do not live by works. I live by faith. You will be judged by the laws and ordinances of your church.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
HAHA Thats good, it's funny, me and a friend were recently there we asked them how to be saved, hey never said the word JESUS but... they had grace, perseverance, faith, works all built into there brains with no knowledge of what it all truely meant!!!
God Bless
christianityvscults 2 years ago
oh and also hes in second judgement and celestial and terrestrial kingdom..
anglwatchinme247 2 years ago
Jesus is in there he came to earth as man.. he went through the stages we all did.. and he is also in the for first resurrection and final judgement . what do u expect there be earth and arcross earth is the words Christ comes?? we all know he came to mortal life thats WHY he came to save us all .. like i said he came the same way we did.. and u notice there is no adam and eve.. like we all know they came the same way also
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Bearkiller777 2 years ago
Nice Idea... Grace... nice so i should be lazy then because i only need Faith to receive Grace... wow what a wonderful life...
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Bearkiller777 2 years ago
@Bearkiller777 Have you never heard "Faith without works is dead"? Also did you know that the Hebrew word for faith is a verb? Therefore action is required. Basicly, simply saying you believe doesn't do much for you. You must live according to your beliefs.
Criterionx9 1 year ago
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Bearkiller777 1 year ago
@Bearkiller777 I guess you don't mind being like the fig tree Jesus rebuked and caused to wither away because it bore no fruit? Why else would you teach people to distain good works?
Criterionx9 1 year ago
I thought the church was supposed to be centered around Jesus Christ (hence the name)..
Drooblemeister 2 years ago
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Bearkiller777 2 years ago
@Bearkiller777 you are wrong. LDS believes in the same GOD as Abraham Issac and Jacob. But think about it, why did Jesus die? He couldn't die if he is GOD.
juicyfruitcake 1 year ago
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Bearkiller777 1 year ago
@Bearkiller777 So you claim that all sinners should just continue sinning and Jesus will save them all as long as they agree that he is the Messiah?
Criterionx9 1 year ago
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Bearkiller777 1 year ago
@Criterionx9 Tell me. Was Christs sacrifice sufficient in your church to live with God? Is Jesus an exhalted man, or God? Where did Jesus pay for sin?
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll You presume to quiz me? You belong with those who taught you your lies.
Criterionx9 1 year ago
@Criterionx9 The words of Jesus and the apostles are lies? You can't answer the questions truthfully.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll Once again you're terribly mixed up.
Criterionx9 1 year ago
@Bearkiller777 You're mixed up. Don't profess to know something that you don't understand.
Criterionx9 1 year ago
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Bearkiller777 1 year ago
@Bearkiller777 Why don't you stick to preaching your own beliefs and quit misrepresenting something you're clueless about ie the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints.
Criterionx9 1 year ago
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Bearkiller777 1 year ago
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Bearkiller777 1 year ago
@Bearkiller777 All the spirits are children of God. Where else do you think they came form? Some rebelled the first one was Lucifer who became Satan after his rebellion. Where in the Bible do you think it says otherwise?
Criterionx9 1 year ago
@Criterionx9 This is going to crush you. There is no premortal existance for man. You are NOT a spirit child of God. Jesus is NOT Satans spirit brother. Jesus created all things in heaven and earth. If you live by the law, you will be judged by the law.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll And the moon is made of bleu cheese! You're just so credible there i had to laugh.
Criterionx9 1 year ago
@Criterionx9 Want some Biblical truth? There is 1 God. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD. Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not [a mediator] of one, but God is one.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll When Jesus was baptised the voice of God was heard from the heavens "this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased". Do oyu suppose God to be a ventrilloquist?
Criterionx9 1 year ago
@Criterionx9 The Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are three distinct beings who are all one in purpose and authority under the Father they are all One God.
Criterionx9 1 year ago
@Criterionx9 That is not Biblical.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@Criterionx9 Honestly I don't know whats the point in discussing anything with a Mormon. Mormon theology is so wacked out and far away from biblical teaching. Mormons elevate J.Smith to the status of Jesus and say one MUST follow J.Smith or they are lost. The doctrine involved with LDS and J.Smith are anti BIBLE and contradict the Apostles' doctrine.
nrhouseman 1 year ago
@nrhouseman You've got quite the fictional erligion going for you there. Truthfully there is no Mormon church. so what the heck do you think you're talking about?
Criterionx9 1 year ago
@Criterionx9 Well if you are asking me what I'm talking about that would mean you are lost. I agree...no Mormon church. But if you've read my comments and still need to ask "what the heck do you think you're talking about?" then you are the one lost and confused. You really want to know "what the heck I'm talking about" you're gonna have to be specific to what you want to know....
nrhouseman 1 year ago
@nrhouseman I never "needed" to ask you what you think you've been talking about. All of this talk about a "Mormon Church". There is no such thing.
Criterionx9 1 year ago
@Criterionx9 ...touchy touchy. Whether you "needed" to or didn't makes no difference to me. Fact is you did ask me what was I talking about so I responded, "be more specific." That's all...and you know what, this is stupid and going no where. Of course there is a Mormon Church you moron...the Mormon church is very real and thousands of souls are in it and all headed straight to Hell if they don't get out of that false church. The Mormon church is a cult of J.S. and was not founded by J.C.
nrhouseman 1 year ago
@nrhouseman This "Mormon church" you love to malign and hate, I can assure you doens't exist. Ever hear of a misnomer? Best to check your facts before spewing any vitriol.
Cheers! :-)
Criterionx9 1 year ago
@Criterionx9 Haha Cheers nothing, you've said nothing to me worth reading. I haven't heard a single point or a legitimate question from you. You wrote some words but you not saying anything. "The wise man speaks because he has something to say, the fool because he has to say something."
nrhouseman 1 year ago
@nrhouseman Its your right to ignore the truth if you so wish. Nevertheless I repeat my point, there is no such church as this "Mormon Church" you refer to. Ignore the truth at your own peril.
Criterionx9 1 year ago
@Criterionx9 Hah! You don't even make good non-sense.
nrhouseman 1 year ago
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@Criterionx9 Hah! You don't even make good non-sense.
nrhouseman 1 year ago
@Criterionx9 The Father is not the Son. You might want to drop the lds doctrine for a while and read the New Testament.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll In the original Greek in the beginning was LOGOS... the greek word logos means plan, reason or, word. In the beginning Christ was with God the Father He was the reason God created the heavens and the earth His life is the plan for us to follow.
Criterionx9 1 year ago
@Criterionx9 logos = the divine wisdom manifest in the creation, government, and redemption of the world and often identified with the second person of the Trinity, "Christ" = the Word. Jesus created all things in the heavens and earth. I would like to point out the Son is not the Father in the Christian church.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll You agree with me and do it as though you were dissagreeing?
Criterionx9 1 year ago
@Bearkiller777 it doesn't matter where you live. I've read the misrepresentations you're putting out. Your views are obviously tainted. Why all the hatred?
Criterionx9 1 year ago
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Bearkiller777 1 year ago
@Bearkiller777 You need to reread your own comments. Most of them are no more than twisted misrepresentations of LDS beliefs. What is the source of your obvious hatred? Each denomination has it's own unique doctrine. Why choose LDS to malign?
You take it I'm a Mormon? There is no such thing as the Mormon Church. That is a misnomer. I am a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
Criterionx9 1 year ago
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Bearkiller777 1 year ago
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Bearkiller777 1 year ago
@Bearkiller777 You insinuate that Pres Hinckley's quote says we don't believe in the Christ of the Bible. Thats just one falsehood you strive to perpetuate.
Criterionx9 1 year ago
@Criterionx9 A falsehood? The Christ you believe in is not infinite. The Christ you believe in is the spirit brother of Satan. The Christ you believe in did not pay for all sin. Those are not just heresies. They are blasphemies.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll You speak from the source of heresies.
Criterionx9 1 year ago
@Criterionx9 Joseph Smith stole the name of Christ for the church. That does not mean you belong to the body of Christ. lds doctrines blaspheme God. They are not even close to the gospel of Christ.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll You are a blasphemy
Criterionx9 1 year ago
@Criterionx9 Are you aware that the church name was changed? How will your sins ever be removed when you are commanded to never talk to the Savior?
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll Commanded never to talk to the Savior? By who? Your'e the only one saying that and I don't cotton to folks like you.
Criterionx9 1 year ago
@Criterionx9 The brethren of the church have commanded members never to pray to Jesus. How will you ever be forgiven?
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll First of by not believeing your folly and lies. The bretheren of what church? No Elder of the church of Jesus Christ taught as you claim!
Criterionx9 1 year ago
@Criterionx9 Did the Christ of the New Testament complete everything or do you believe there are ceremonies to perform and works that need to be done?
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll Jesus Taught us to pray to His father. You better make sure you aren't condemning those who pray to the same Person Jesus prayed to, otherwise you'll be in hot water.
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 First off, the god you believe in is not infinite and eternal. Second, how will you ever be forgiven of your sins if you never talk to the Savior? There are many verse showing that Jesus is God and he should be honored like the Father. Jhn 5:23 That all [men] should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll Yes that's one of my favorite scriptures. I do indeed honor the Son as I honor the Father. As for talking about Jesus Christ, do you really live in Utah, surrounded by mormons, and still no so little about their beliefs? I talk about Jesus Christ everyday. I thank God, in the name of Christ, that the missionaries brought me to Christ so that I could be blessed with salvation. Every class I teach at church is aimed at increasing other's faith in Jesus.
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 A few observations. Worship of the Father and Son within the lds church is very subtle and assumed to be worship. The main plate of worship is served within stories about mans obedience to the requests of the brethren and reafirming that the church originators and doctines are true. The books of the New Testament are seldom or never taught during the classes or meetings. Who do you really worship? Mans achievements? The family? The church?
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@GiftoAll The worship of God in my church is done silently and reverently during the sacrament, when we recognize and give thanks for Jesus' sacrifice by promising to obey the commandments of Christ. I worship God in a sacred, reverent manner. We worship the true and living God.
TheOptimusprime9 1 year ago
@TheOptimusprime9 God is not an exhalted man. What ever reverance or worship you do, is to another god. The lds church has taken the commandments of the eternal God of Israel and used it to control the members.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
Jesus is absolutely in it! You don't go very far without him!
thatjimguy 2 years ago 4
WOW great video 5*
stronglogos 2 years ago
Thank you God is GOOD!
BecominglikeJESUS 2 years ago
Thanks for sending that video.GOD is awesome how he answers and provide ways.I was just thinking how to witness to one guy with proper knowledge and its been hanging for days.I should study it before I approach him again,May GOD help me be his good servant.Thanks GOD BLESS YOU
jesuschildjb 2 years ago
Praise the Lord for his word. Another thing mormons do. Every Sunday they promise to not sin when they take Sacrament knowing full well they will not be able to stop. What if you promised you boss something and did not follow threw? They do this every Sunday, ask them how long they have been going to church and do the math. It will get them to think about what they are saying and than have to deal with it. Thanks for watching God Bless. I'll be praying for you.
BecominglikeJESUS 2 years ago