The people are the government and the government is the people. When Republicans say they want to limit the control government has over our lives what they are really saying is they want to limit the control people have over their own lives. Citizens must be able to protect themselves from private industry and government is the tool we use to do so.
Google *ALEC Exposed* by John Nichols at The Nation.
ALEC Sabotaged HC reform/Single Payer efforts. They crafted the Freedom of Choice in Health Care Act, which, despite its Orwellian name, was written to DENY the citizens of any state that passed it the freedom to set up a Single Payer system. It played a key role in a well-coordinated effort to keep the most progressive proposals from being enacted at the state or federal level while blocking provisions imposing oversight of ins companies.
@TheeUnidentified Get real. A single payer system in America in the fattest, least healthy country on the planet would be an absolute travesty. The primary reason our HC costs have skyrocketed is because of exploding pool risk, directly because of our 75% overweight/obesity rate. I hardly believe that removing even more of the incentives to take personal reponsibility for one's health under a socialized system would somehow magically reduce costs while perpetuating high individual risk.
This is complete bullshit. The only reason that the US doesn't have a state health system is because the people opposing it simply don't understand the concept of an NHS and/or state-funded national insurance system, or they are being bankrolled by the large medical corporations.
For a country founded in order to throw off the shackles of oppressive masters, this is simply testimony to how plutocratic the US seems to have become... moreso even than Britain!
@BasilFawlty4444 People don't understand the system? Indeed, much like yourself. US healthcare is broken exactly because of an insanely unhealthy, 75% obese/overweight population of laggards and smokers (which means there is a 75%+ chance this is you). A public system simply diffuses the higher risk of a bunch of stupid fatties among the lower risk, thereby removing any incentive to actually take responsibility for one's friggin health. If you don't like America, there's the door. -->
@thereinliestherib What absolute nonsense. The NHS is at the forefront of the campaign against obesity and smoking... besides it's not as if people lose the will to maintain their own health if they don't have to pay for healthcare - that's an insane suggestion!
At the formation of the NHS in 1948, the aim of the service was - and is - to "relieve your money worries in times of trouble." Tell me there aren't millions of Americans who don't relate to that.
@BasilFawlty4444 Oh yeah? Do they spend all your hard earned money on poster campaigns against obesity? Why not just force people to assume the costs of their own added risk, rather than removing every single incentive to take personal responsibility for one's health? "Socialized" healthcare is just cover for a market of bureacrats to entrench themselves by driving up public risk, thereby requiring dependence upon them. The obesity/overweight rate in the US is 75%--are you aware of this?
@thereinliestherib Yeah, which is why the obesity rate in countries with free healthcare - Canada and the UK - is over 15% lower than the obesity rate of the US... that's your argument in tatters. Your problem is that you have too little faith in the human race.
The AIM of the NHS is to MAKE people independent, get them BACK to work, and throughout our lives it will always be there to do that... that's why it's motto is "cradle to the grave."
@BasilFawlty4444 I have faith in those who take responsibility for their actions, which excludes 95% of Americans. That other countries have lower obesity rates is hardly flattering--those rates are still incredibly high, DESPITE socialized care. Likewise, the UK has taxes and other disincentives on unhealthy goods and products. I concede NHS is a somewhat good system--one that would never be feasible in such a high risk country as the US, where so many $ interests are staked on poor health.
You guys wanna know something funny?? In sweden the doctors has alot of control, what do they do you ask. They make sure that it is very hard almost impossible to becoma doctor so that the numbers of doctors are at a minimum so they earn more cash :D lovely huh in my city were losing our hospital but come on its only 30 000 people that will be without medecin or surgery. Hospitals needs to be under the goverments controll so that we all will be treated with equal rights
there's no going around the simple fact that the obamacare is unconstitutional and that you the government can now force you to buy a private service.
watch?v=9J5W6lppUNc
also, it is no suprise that the pushers of Obama-care are corporations, and that obama-care is actually just Romney-care 2.0 (exact same wording in some places)
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The people who don't want a Universal system, like the majority of the world already has, are the folks who have A. never been screwed over by their health insurance companies or B. probably don't even have insurance and have been lucky enough to not have needed any kind of expensive medical treatment. Therefore health care hasn't cost them a dime, so they don't want anything to change, so as long as they're healthy. Check in with these folks when they get older and start having health problems.
Again, more BS. Look! They are coddling whores and potheads! I defy the poster of this video to provide evidence that serious diseases in Oregon are not being treated.
Also, the video says "bureacrats, not doctors are in control!". Well what do you call the insurance man who doesn't approve the "experimental" treatment for cancer and saves his company a quarter million dollars? I call him a bureaucrat with an incentive to deny care.
Just imagine the government deciding on what healthcare you get! I'd much rather it was in the hands of a business that couldn't care less about your health but just maximising profits. Yeah, that sounds like a better idea
If taxes covering healthcare is so bad, then ask the billionare Dick Cheney why he went to the veterans hospital for his heart surgery. He is rich enough to have gotten it done ANYWHERE and by ANYONE, yet he used OUR tax money- not to fix a broken toe, but to save his life. He trusted it to SAVE HIS LIFE.
You want taxes to be based on a percentage, yet Obama wanted Single Payer Option, which bases coverage on just that very thing, and you said "NO. It's not fair!"
If you are lucky enough or rich enough to have healthcare, or have never been ROYAL SCREWED by the insurance companies in order for them to get an even bigger bonus, then I don't want to hear it from you!
It's funny that Republicans were all for FORCING us to get auto insurance a few years back. Could it be that it would GIVE money to the greedy Billionaire Fat Cats (who donate so much more to them then they do to any Democrats) while this may cost them some of their precious nickels and dimes? NONE OF YOU WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT, WERE YOU! Wake Up! Stop helping the rich to get richer and realize that we are the ONLY industrialized country on the planet without universal healthcare!
@littleladyinbigworld We're the only country without socialized care because we basically already have it--except that pool risk is so polluted in the US because of universally poor health that those who actually need ins., can't afford it. And your facts aren't at all true. The industry gave more money to DEMOCRATS in 09 than any other party, and consequently they got a bill requiring citizens to buy their product. Yet you really can't draw the connection between money and policy???
@thereinliestherib "We're the only country WITHOUT socialized care because we basically already have it?" That's like saying that a woman can have a baby because she is already infertile. We don't have it, or everyone would be getting healthcare- whether they can afford it or not. Dems got more money is 09- yes, but historically it is waaaay in favor of Reps. You can't pick out one in 500 and make it a suitable example. Dems got more money because everyone was sick of Rep nonsense.
@thereinliestherib If we already have Universal Healthcare, I wouldn't own over 30,000 to have my life saved after being assaulted. Other countries focus on preventative healthcare, not treating after it's already a problem, which is why they live longer in Europe. In the US, doctors get paid bonuses by insurance companies by the amount of people they DO NOT recommended for coverage, while elsewhere they get paid by preventative care- like getting peoples cholesterol down or quitting smoking.
@thereinliestherib Not to mention how doctors and pharmacists are deeply invested in drugs. They are really into stocks here. They invest in drugs, prescribe them when they aren’t necessary, and make a disgusting amount of money by treating symptoms, not finding cures. There’s less money in cures. What was the last disease cured- Polio? It’s a sham. Until it stops being a way for the semi-rich to become REALLY rich, this shall go on.
@littleladyinbigworld Or when millions of youths become addicted to pain killers and illicit adhd drugs because of their overabundance, and now the industry is kicking and screaming over DEA intervention to limit supply. You make a good point, and its furthered by the fact that the supply and demand for drugs is far greater than the prevalence of the conditions for which they are designed to treat, resepctively--ritalin and adderall are an excellent example.
@thereinliestherib I just checked back and for some reason my reply wasn't here. VERY well put. Ritalin is definitely one of the most over-prescribed of all. It is so easy to tell the parents that their child, who is a daydreamer like me, is actually ADD, because it doesn't show up on X-rays or CAT scans. I was on it as a child and they didn't even try something else first, like concentration techniques. Just shovel a pill down their throats and make us more money. It's sickening, isn't it?
My understanding is it is to address the current unemployment problem for young people as well. But it only helps the ones who do not have to work and encourages more unemployment for young graduates who have parents that can pay all their living expenses.
I'm not totally disagreeing with you, but I think a lot of the power to decide who gets treated actually lies in the private corperate insurance companies that turn terminally ill patients away because they're too expensive to insure. That's who the bill is meant to save. I don't know if it will do it's job and I don't know if giving that power to the federal government is a good idea, but I'm just saying the intent is good.
Put in browser - whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/10/19/adrienne-explains-how-college-students-are-benefiting-affordable-care-act Lucky Adrienne. She volunteers in her community & church because her parents continue to support her after they paid all her college expenses. Poor student paying off students loans (expenses another sham) has to work part-time because full-time work cannot be found in current economy and pays practically entire paycheck on coverage. This plan is a hand out to the rich.
Do you think extending health insurance to children age 26 is for the poor? With the current unemployment rate this is a sham. Recent graduates who work part time do not qualify. Only if they DO NOT WORK at all. That's because if the employer offers insurance, which is required by law with 50 > employees, they must pay out of pocket for far inferior coverage. Whose children take a year off after graduation? Whose children are working part-time to find work? Rich kids get quality health care.
That's why when health care reform is implemented, proper controls need to be put into place to ensure that the right treatments are put at the right priority level. Under our current system, there is health care rationing as well, only it's not based on the ratio of patients who need a procedure and specialists who handle that procedure; instead it's simply based on how much money you have. If you have lots of money, you can get treated for just about anything.
@AllTheGoodNamzWerTkn And if you're a responsible and healthy individual (a startling minority in this country), thereby consuming less health care, you get to pay for it all! Hooray! How progressive!
You're not paying for the health care that you consume - you're paying for the health care that you would receive should you get sick AKA coverage, or insurance. Although we should all do everything we can to stay healthy (I don't know anyone who WANTS to be sick) none of us know when we might have an accident or come down with an unforeseen illness. It's called helping each other out. There needs to be more of that in this country.
@AllTheGoodNamzWerTkn BS. If people wanted to take care of themselves we wouldn't have a 70% (and skyrocketing) obesity/overweight rate (= diabetes, heart disease, cancer, lack of economic productivity), nor 25% addicted to smoking, nor the millions more who are addicted to prescription and illicit drugs. It's absolute crapola that you can venture the "moral" argument for health care in a country with no prior health-ethics. But yay, let's just force the healthy to pay for it all!
Cost of obesity alone: 150 billion/yr, and rising rapidly. That's enough to cover the uninsured TWICE over. F'in grand, as a young healthy person struggling to stay employed and in school, I'm forced to foot the bill of lazy, wreckless slobs. Boy oh boy, I'm so glad the democrats taught the system a lesson... by outdoing it at its own game. Totally worthless.
@MrNDSteinbach Lesser of two evils logic is spineless, and, undeserving of the right to vote in the eyes of the founding fathers. If you haven't done anything to change the "evils" at-hand, to make them less eviler, then you don't have anything to complain about except your own self-loathing.
@MrNDSteinbach Neat. Gott mitt ons. Just kidding... If you are indeed an atheist, a philosophy of selfishness (in a neutral sense), then how can you support collective-based healthcare? It's precisely what the existentialists (atheists) called "bad faith."
@thereinliestherib How is atheism selfish? Fundamentalist theist think the Universe was made for them. Atheist don't believe something like that. Many atheist support living and giving everyone the chance to live. Before you say it, atheist can be pro-life.
@MrNDSteinbach Go to school if you want philosophical debate--not here. Atheistic "selfishness" does not posit something negative, only that we only have ourselves to rely on, and are that much more responsible for these short and bitter lives. Atheism makes one more responsible for one's actions, in the absence of some great disciplinarian in the sky. And as a matter of fact, you're speaking to someone who is (mostly) pro-life and also quite atheistic. Sooo... good point.
@thereinliestherib I wish my school had some sort of class related to philosophy, but sadly no. Sorry about being confused about the word 'selfishness' in context of your statement. I've never really heard it in such a context.
@MrNDSteinbach No philosophy in your school? What a friggin travesty. "Let's teach them what to think, not how." What an age. Go and get yourself some Sartre, Camus, and Cormac McCarthy. I wish people recommended them when I was younger. Good times...
@MrNDSteinbach Unlike "thereinliestherib" I am an Atheist, Atheism is an absolute ,you cannot be "quite Atheistic" the nearest you can get is agnostic. I'm pro-choice, being Atheistic does not make you selfish any more than having a faith does. Selfishness like most human feeling and personnel values is a matter of your nature and nurture. Be that which you wish to be, not what someone makes you believe, learn about life and values make up your mind and live by your values not someone else's.
@thereinliestherib Hey, I'm going to school, I have friends, I have a life. I don't stay on the internet all day like you might do and 'debate' on Youtube. That is why I cut you off...
@davijeph Of course you're an Atheist. Because you BELIEVE there is no God, just as you BELIEVE you can deflate the giant, swirling chasm between it and agnosticism and thereby co-opt an actual philosophical position with a position of crass, bourgois bigotry (atheism). Have some humility you wind-bag of nihilist hokum...
@thereinliestherib I'm also in favor of more government controls to ensure that people are able to buy the right kinds of food. I don't know if you are aware, but unhealthy food is usually cheaper than healthy food, hence there are more overweight poor people than overweight rich people.
@AllTheGoodNamzWerTkn No, food is not cheaper because it's bad. That's such a stupid myth. My lunch today cost me a whole four dollars and I got a juice, yogurt, bananas, and a sandwich. Whole foods will always cost less than manufactured junk, so your argument is bunk. In fact, at least part of the reason I am so healthy is because healthier foods are CHEAPER.
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lol Funny how they keep trying to stop healthcare, keep it up, you dont know it yet, but the USA healthcare system with HMOs plain and simple SUCKED. About that "tobacco, fat and depression covered" item, its called PREVENTATIVE Healthcare, something in US you NEVER practice, u plain and simple wait for diseases to occur and Oh well, lets begin treatment. This is not a political view, its simple what I have observed with plain and simple eyes as a citizen
CREW: First of all, our Constitution doesn't give the gov't the authority to nationalize the economy en masse, nor does it give the gov't the authority to force someone to provide a product or service for a discounted price (price controls--which is a big theme in Medicare and Medicaid). I could say, "What's wrong with affordable housing" but everyone here knows how that turned out with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac artificially stimulating the market with Mortgage-backed securities.
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This president is the most arrogant SOB ever to be in the white house nothing but lies,lies,lies-taxes,taxes,taxes he is raping us of our freedom wake up America we need to stop this so our kids have a future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i have a friend that is a vet he has military medical assistance hes been going to kidney dialysis for 10 years hes not even on the list for a doner kidney whats the new health care reform gonna do for him
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Blind sheep followers of thy Shepard Obama believe in Obama Care. He and both parties of Congress voted against accepting this same plan for their own families. Their not idiots all of the time, they are too damn smart to drink the same contaminated water they are serving for us!
Legalization of illegal Trespassers is the next flag burning, aimed to get their 11 Million votes!
@jmart755000 Probably not. But if someone can't afford auto insurance they can opt not to drive. If someone can't afford the newly mandated health insurance they must receive tax subsidies to help pay for that health insurance. I don't feel that it is correct for someone else to pay for my health insurance just because I can't afford it myself. That is my problem, not the problem of middle class America. Just sayin :)
@katmariebokon well we as Americans paid for and many exhilaratingly supported senseless wars and death for years.....now we "paying" for health and helping those who can't. And speaking as a veteran who recently fought in one of them senseless wars I have no problem with health care for all Americans. It's not a perfect Bill but something had to be done.....the kinks will be worked out over time like they always are
@jmart755000 I do not agree with the fact that I am now mandated by the government to purchase health care. Shouldn't it be my choice? Are we choosing security over liberty? What if I can't afford this mandated insurance? Someone else has to pay for my insurance via tax subsidies and that isn't fair. If I can't afford it, I can't afford it. Christ (I am a christian) teaches us to rejoice in the least of all circumstances, not to steal from others to accommodate for ourselves. One girl's opinion.
@katmariebokon I understand. But I personally feel Jesus would not be conerned about what the price of another's good health will cost him. Specially when the high chance of it being detrimental to his financial well being is slim to none. Just my opinion
@jmart755000 I agree fully. My issue here is not philanthropy. If I can't afford health insurance (which I cannot) that is my problem and my issue to deal with, not the responsibility of middle class America. Clearly I don't expect others without health insurance to feel this way. This is how I feel about my situation. It's not fair to demand someone pay for MY health care that I was mandated to buy against my own better judgment.
@katmariebokon Did you just try to quote Jesus in a way that he would be AGAINST universal health care? You are aware that Jesus was probably the most radical socialist of his time correct? He fully endorsed everything in the old testament and even added some new social ideas. Matthew 19:21, Luke 12:33, Luke 3:11 and lastly Prov. 29:7 suggests you may be wicked and unconcerned with the poor. Read the book FFS.
@scooped13 YouTube is amazing. From one comment you have learned enough about my character to deem me wicked. Fair enough. Good person, I am poor myself. I grew up in a dysfunctional, abusive, poverty stricken family. I am currently living paycheck to paycheck as I always have. I have never had medical insurance. I do not believe I should be required to purchase medical insurance that I cannot afford which is hoisted upon other taxpayers. Altruism and charity are heart issues, not Caesar issues.
@katmariebokon I'm not judging, the bible is. You have no health insurance, so when you get sick or in a car wreck, you honestly think you are just gonna "suck it up" and not go to the hospital? No, you are going to go and i will HAVE to pay for your health care with my taxes anyway. You will still receive "socialized medicine" no matter how hard you fight. I dont have a horse in this race... im a disabled vet so i already have socialized medicine in America... its great.
@scooped13 What about payment plans? I've had a number of emergencies which required immediate attention at an ER. I paid those balances off. What about the fact that illegal immigrants are granted amnesty? They'll still have access to our emergency rooms, but won't be required to purchase health care. How much sense does that make? Have you read about the quality of care of socialized medicine? This will crush our middle class in the long run.
@katmariebokon I am the middle class and i love my socialized medicine. It provides me with preventative care, short wait times, reliable coverage, and affordable prescriptions. About the illegals: What happens if we take away the amnesty? but i do agree with you on the illegals... a better long term solution is required. Maybe you should try out national health care and then cry about it? If its SO bad it would just be repealed in the next election.
@scooped13 I am not claiming to have the solution to the nation's health care crisis. Obamacare violates the 8th Commandment. If a christian decides (as scripture would have us) that it is his/her moral duty to provide health care for the uninsured, then he/she may freely and voluntarily comply with that duty. He/she should donate time, services, and/or money to hospitals and charities. That decision is between God and man. The involuntary redistribution of wealth can only be described as theft.
@scooped13 This violates the Constitution (multiple sections of it).It violates Article 1, Section 8 of the Commerce Clause which grants rights to regulate interstate commerce, not intrastate commerce (health insurance is not interstate commerce since you cannot buy it across state lines).
Polls show most Americans believe the new law will cause the overall health care system in this country to get worse, the quality of the health care to get worse & health insurance coverage to get worse.
@scooped13 This violates the Constitution (multiple sections of it).It violates Article 1, Section 8 of the Commerce Clause which grants rights to regulate interstate commerce, not intrastate commerce (health insurance is not interstate commerce since you cannot buy it across state lines).
Polls show most Americans believe the new law will cause the overall health care system in this country to get worse, the quality of the health care to get worse & health insurance coverage to get worse.
Polls also show that a lot of Americans think the earth is 6,000 years old. Notice how you framed that statement btw... you didn't show any evidence that this was going to ruin our health care system... you just said that people think it will.
Well i don't have to show you any polls... I HAVE nationalized health care its its wonderful. Continue with the talking points if you must.
@scooped13 I showed you evidence that this bill is illegal. It violates our Constitution.
"It shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment, or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change this subsection."
The quoted text effectively amends the Constitution and abridges the law-making authority of Congress. This has been done without two-thirds majority. So much for repeal.
@scooped13 How are you not phased at the reality that this blatantly violates the Constitution of the United States? It clearly violates the Commerce Clause, it also violates the 4th amendment. Do you know that the IRS agents which are going to impose these new mandates are required to have fresh combat training? Wake up America!! Don't let history repeat itself!
@katmariebokon Put your money where you mouth is, file a lawsuit. Unless, perhaps, you aren't as knowledgeable about the Constitution or the law as you lead on the COMMENTS section of youtube lol. A true sea lawyer.
SCOOP: A lot of entities have filed suit against this health care bill. There is a similar debacle going on in MA, care to defend it? Why do you think MA has the highest premiums in the nation? They have an individual mandate.
You want me to explain why Mitt Romney's (Republican lol) health care plan failed? Um... because it was poorly planned, executed, and now being poorly planned again. A perfect example of why a half assed health care overhaul is stupid. Any other obvious things i can point out for you?
SCOOP: Don't bury me in details. If you expect me to defend Mitt Romney's socialized medicine, you're dumber than I though. Would you care to expand on that "poorly planned" comment? That seems to be a problem with 99% of gov't initiatives. MA has an individual mandate like ObamaCare and it's hundreds of millions in the hole, just like Medicare (except it's trillions in the hole). Name one gov't program that was on time and on budget.
Your logic: Lets get rid of the military, public schools, roads, and libraries. Hell, lets remove every gov. agency that ensures minimal standards on almost everything in our lives. Better question to you: Show me one industry that was better for PEOPLE before the gov. started regulating it.
I cant really explain "poorly planned" in a comment section on youtube... if your actually interested in facts i would suggest google. Im not defending MA's bad health care.
SCOOP: Now you're going off on an unrelated rant. You're suggesting google? LOL Try reading a book kiddo. So, no details on MA's health care debacle? I thought so. You were buying time with generalization. I never said anything about getting rid of the military, although we could cut the fat there too. Tell me, where is education mentioned in the US Constitution?
AGAIN - You are mistaking me not spoon feeding you for "no details." It would take hundreds of lines to explain to you what went wrong in MA health.
In your previous post you made it very clear, "99% of gov't initiatives" are inferior in some way to other programs. So i was suggesting we follow that logic and see where it takes us.
That's the great thing about the constitution, it is meant to be interpreted. Where does it say the gov can regulate cable?
SCOOP: You make a good point, there are all kinds of gov't initiatives (glad you agree with me on that) that are unconstitutional. There are ways of amending the Const. People who want to "interpret" it to mean the federal gov't can provide HC or education can amend it. So, you can't name one gov't program that was on time and on budget? You have no details Scoop, sorry.
I get the impression that you think the gov is competing with private industry. That is not the role of the government in hardly anything. They take on the jobs that the private industry fail at or succeed at the cost of the end user. NASA, DMV, the military, libraries, highways, FDA, NSA, FBI, 911, etc, etc, etc.
The issue of them being on time or budget is a question of method, not whether the idea is sound. There is always room for that type of improvement.
The FIB would fall under the premise of "common defense," and so would the military. The DMV is under the 10th amend. it's a state task. My 911 services and those that come to my house when I call are not from the federal gov't. Apples to oranges. So, you still can't name one gov't program that was on time and on budget? I think the archives demonstrate your lack of knowledge on this issue.
@scooped13 What about payment plans? I've had a number of emergencies which required immediate attention at an ER. I paid those balances off. What about the fact that illegal immigrants are granted amnesty? They'll still have access to our emergency rooms, but won't be required to purchase health care. How much sense does that make? Have you read about the quality of care of socialized medicine? This will crush our middle class in the long run.
@jmart755000. You know I wonder what is so 'mandatory' about auto insurance. I've been hit twice in the last five years and guess what they didn't have insurance. The cops didn't seem to give a flying f&ck. One cop told me it was MY PROBLEM I didn't have uninsured for the first one. WOW! my fault for them not having insurance, F&CK U PIG. I also know a few family members that have had issues with people with no insurance as well. Laws only work for those who obey the law.
yeah it's not option for a driver NOT to have some type of moto vehicle insurances and majority of states. Sure you can drive without it but there will be steep plenty to pay if any incident were to ocurr or you are caught driving without it.......it's the law.
@jmart755000 thats cool to drive without insurance,,,if your a criminal! If I don't have mandated heath insurance, just me being alive is criminal. Bullshit.
CREW: Why then is Canada so far down the ladder on doctors per capita among OECD members? Why is Alberta's provincial budget on the verge of bankruptcy? Why do pharmaceutical companies in the US do so much more than Canadian pharmaceutical companies (R&D)? We've already tried socialized medicine with Medicare, it's a bankrupt price-control regime.
CREW: We don't have national health care... yet. Each state has a lot of freedom (the # and type of mandates, as well as ability to vary premiums varies greatly, as well as state ability to enforce anti-trust laws), well for now they do. I was talking about Alberta specifically.
CREW: Glad to see you've learned that Alberta (as well as our Medicre system) is in a giant fiscal hole. Is the yawn your way of buying time? HC has become more expensive here for 2 reasons: 1) Many of these great operations are costly. 2) More and more payments are covered by the gov't or a third-party payer. But I'm sure you already knew that. What % of HC dollars are out-of-pocket in the US today?
Yeah, we won, yeah, this is what I voted for. A real democracy not a plutocracy, yeah. Of the people for the people by the people. Yeah the people won this one.
So God is going to take our prosperity away and damn us for our wrongdoings. In one perspective, that is correct. However...
Nevermind that we are the most charitable nation that has done more good than any other on this Earth. Nevermind all the good works we Americans have done for our neighbors(of the humanitarian sort). In spite of all of this, we deserved to be punished because we failed to be PERFECT. <_<
@DoomHamster5197 ever wonder what is the government? Its the people making laws. In simple terms, U may think government is fucking the country, but it actually means more than 51% of americans are stupid and dont know what is good for the country. Remember, the government is as Smart as the majority of people that represents.
So this video tells us that socialised healthcare in America is underfunded and so a list of priorities has to be drawn up?
And that's supposed to be an argument AGAINST giving it more money?
What is it with America's right wing? - You're slaves to the medical / insurance industry while your fellow citizens live in pain and die cos they can't afford treatment?
And being Christians you actually LIKE IT THAT WAY?
LAW BITCHES!!! All you right-wing douchebags are nothing but a bunch of fucking loony toons. What are you going to do when none of the boogy men they created show up? The only thing these far-right fucktards in Washington are afraid of is their kickbacks from the insurance industry not coming anymore.
All this time black people have wanted equality, now you have it, except when someone doesn't agree with them, then we are racist, I AM TIRED OF THE SAME ARGUMENT!!!
I can't wait til healthcare reform proves to be the right move in the yrs ahead, while those with an agenda who tried to stop it will be remembered as well..
It's sad to see so many Democrats, even good ones, good into the abyss for Obama. How self centered can that man be? And I thought Bush was bad, at least Bush got stuff done and tried to rally democrats and republicans in his first year. Obama is trying split them apart as far as possible in his first year. Not a sign of a good leader, complete opposite.
@scottg4520 Obama is trying to split them apart, wow we will blame our grandmother if we had to. It's not the leader it's the people. It is us, we are to blame for allowing our world to fall apart.
Poll: Voters in Key Congressional Districts Want ObamaCare Like They Want a Raging Case of Gonorrhea: 7 in 10 Would Vote Against Their Representative if They Vote for Health Care Bill...
Damn right! We are in business. You can't expect us to give away our product (health care) I want a new airplane, but Cessna is not going to give me one. They expect me to pay for it. Health care is a business. Businesses are meant to make a profit. The more, the better. That, is what makes America, America!
these cind of ads make me think of those of veridian dynamics, unmoral illigal in most countrys, highly political...but mostly worng! just saying things that are not true.
you said that its illigal in most countries for a person to post and add like that. Well we live in America and its completely legal here due to the US Bill of Rights. a per son can say what they want and there can be dissagreement on both sides. its one of the things that makes this country awsome. No human should ever be silenced by any entity.
if a person chooses such a thing, then the consequences lie on that individual. yes there are people who believe what they are told almost all the time but there are also individuals who can help that person see the light also.
So, you agree that these claims about healt reform make no sense, at all? And that I sould let people choose for them selfs to belive this or not so that someone else can tell them they souldn't belive everything they see? well...that doesn't make any sense..
im sayin if you disagree, prove this add wrong and post the evidence for all to see. that way they can use thier own rational minds to choose who to agree with. dont say that there should be some kind of athourity figure to keep these people quiet.
The problem is that the US is getting more and more like the movie 1984. So our rights are being attacked every day and we are losing because not enough people care. So no we can't just say what we want anymore. Look up "Veggie Libel". It's getting bad people so you better start speaking up.
Not entirely true though. Our rights are being attacked every day and not enough people are standing up for them so we are losing. Just google "Veggie Libel". So we need to start speaking up and standing up for our rights. Instead of talking about it on youtube everybody should be writing letters to their congress.
Lying is misrepresentation of the facts and fraud, it is as illegal to defraud someone here as it is any where else in the world. Lying to defraud and mislead the people is not protected by the Bill of Rights, that is a total disctortion of the bill of rights and a lie in itself.
SCOOTER: Has the gov't share of health care expenditures gone up or down since 1965? Have mandates that insurance companies have to cover gone up or down since then? What is the avg. % of claim lines that Medicare refuses when compared to big insurance? Have medical bankruptcies gone up or down the past few years?
I think if you answer those questions you'll find out your argument doesn'
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The people are the government and the government is the people. When Republicans say they want to limit the control government has over our lives what they are really saying is they want to limit the control people have over their own lives. Citizens must be able to protect themselves from private industry and government is the tool we use to do so.
dealmeidaable 20 hours ago
Google *ALEC Exposed* by John Nichols at The Nation.
ALEC Sabotaged HC reform/Single Payer efforts. They crafted the Freedom of Choice in Health Care Act, which, despite its Orwellian name, was written to DENY the citizens of any state that passed it the freedom to set up a Single Payer system. It played a key role in a well-coordinated effort to keep the most progressive proposals from being enacted at the state or federal level while blocking provisions imposing oversight of ins companies.
TheeUnidentified 6 months ago
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@TheeUnidentified Get real. A single payer system in America in the fattest, least healthy country on the planet would be an absolute travesty. The primary reason our HC costs have skyrocketed is because of exploding pool risk, directly because of our 75% overweight/obesity rate. I hardly believe that removing even more of the incentives to take personal reponsibility for one's health under a socialized system would somehow magically reduce costs while perpetuating high individual risk.
thereinliestherib 5 months ago
This is complete bullshit. The only reason that the US doesn't have a state health system is because the people opposing it simply don't understand the concept of an NHS and/or state-funded national insurance system, or they are being bankrolled by the large medical corporations.
For a country founded in order to throw off the shackles of oppressive masters, this is simply testimony to how plutocratic the US seems to have become... moreso even than Britain!
Now there's an irony!
BasilFawlty4444 7 months ago
@BasilFawlty4444 People don't understand the system? Indeed, much like yourself. US healthcare is broken exactly because of an insanely unhealthy, 75% obese/overweight population of laggards and smokers (which means there is a 75%+ chance this is you). A public system simply diffuses the higher risk of a bunch of stupid fatties among the lower risk, thereby removing any incentive to actually take responsibility for one's friggin health. If you don't like America, there's the door. -->
thereinliestherib 5 months ago
@thereinliestherib What absolute nonsense. The NHS is at the forefront of the campaign against obesity and smoking... besides it's not as if people lose the will to maintain their own health if they don't have to pay for healthcare - that's an insane suggestion!
At the formation of the NHS in 1948, the aim of the service was - and is - to "relieve your money worries in times of trouble." Tell me there aren't millions of Americans who don't relate to that.
And btw, I DON'T LIVE IN AMERICA.
BasilFawlty4444 5 months ago
@BasilFawlty4444 Oh yeah? Do they spend all your hard earned money on poster campaigns against obesity? Why not just force people to assume the costs of their own added risk, rather than removing every single incentive to take personal responsibility for one's health? "Socialized" healthcare is just cover for a market of bureacrats to entrench themselves by driving up public risk, thereby requiring dependence upon them. The obesity/overweight rate in the US is 75%--are you aware of this?
thereinliestherib 5 months ago
@thereinliestherib Yeah, which is why the obesity rate in countries with free healthcare - Canada and the UK - is over 15% lower than the obesity rate of the US... that's your argument in tatters. Your problem is that you have too little faith in the human race.
The AIM of the NHS is to MAKE people independent, get them BACK to work, and throughout our lives it will always be there to do that... that's why it's motto is "cradle to the grave."
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BasilFawlty4444 5 months ago
@BasilFawlty4444 I have faith in those who take responsibility for their actions, which excludes 95% of Americans. That other countries have lower obesity rates is hardly flattering--those rates are still incredibly high, DESPITE socialized care. Likewise, the UK has taxes and other disincentives on unhealthy goods and products. I concede NHS is a somewhat good system--one that would never be feasible in such a high risk country as the US, where so many $ interests are staked on poor health.
thereinliestherib 5 months ago
You guys wanna know something funny?? In sweden the doctors has alot of control, what do they do you ask. They make sure that it is very hard almost impossible to becoma doctor so that the numbers of doctors are at a minimum so they earn more cash :D lovely huh in my city were losing our hospital but come on its only 30 000 people that will be without medecin or surgery. Hospitals needs to be under the goverments controll so that we all will be treated with equal rights
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KriLeyTUBE 8 months ago
there's no going around the simple fact that the obamacare is unconstitutional and that you the government can now force you to buy a private service.
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also, it is no suprise that the pushers of Obama-care are corporations, and that obama-care is actually just Romney-care 2.0 (exact same wording in some places)
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unleashhealth 10 months ago
The people who don't want a Universal system, like the majority of the world already has, are the folks who have A. never been screwed over by their health insurance companies or B. probably don't even have insurance and have been lucky enough to not have needed any kind of expensive medical treatment. Therefore health care hasn't cost them a dime, so they don't want anything to change, so as long as they're healthy. Check in with these folks when they get older and start having health problems.
SexSteakSoda 11 months ago
Again, more BS. Look! They are coddling whores and potheads! I defy the poster of this video to provide evidence that serious diseases in Oregon are not being treated.
Also, the video says "bureacrats, not doctors are in control!". Well what do you call the insurance man who doesn't approve the "experimental" treatment for cancer and saves his company a quarter million dollars? I call him a bureaucrat with an incentive to deny care.
majinspy 11 months ago
Just imagine the government deciding on what healthcare you get! I'd much rather it was in the hands of a business that couldn't care less about your health but just maximising profits. Yeah, that sounds like a better idea
kavanagh21 11 months ago 6
@kavanagh21 You're exactly right >.<
majinspy 11 months ago
If taxes covering healthcare is so bad, then ask the billionare Dick Cheney why he went to the veterans hospital for his heart surgery. He is rich enough to have gotten it done ANYWHERE and by ANYONE, yet he used OUR tax money- not to fix a broken toe, but to save his life. He trusted it to SAVE HIS LIFE.
littleladyinbigworld 1 year ago
You want taxes to be based on a percentage, yet Obama wanted Single Payer Option, which bases coverage on just that very thing, and you said "NO. It's not fair!"
If you are lucky enough or rich enough to have healthcare, or have never been ROYAL SCREWED by the insurance companies in order for them to get an even bigger bonus, then I don't want to hear it from you!
littleladyinbigworld 1 year ago
It's funny that Republicans were all for FORCING us to get auto insurance a few years back. Could it be that it would GIVE money to the greedy Billionaire Fat Cats (who donate so much more to them then they do to any Democrats) while this may cost them some of their precious nickels and dimes? NONE OF YOU WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT, WERE YOU! Wake Up! Stop helping the rich to get richer and realize that we are the ONLY industrialized country on the planet without universal healthcare!
littleladyinbigworld 1 year ago
@littleladyinbigworld We're the only country without socialized care because we basically already have it--except that pool risk is so polluted in the US because of universally poor health that those who actually need ins., can't afford it. And your facts aren't at all true. The industry gave more money to DEMOCRATS in 09 than any other party, and consequently they got a bill requiring citizens to buy their product. Yet you really can't draw the connection between money and policy???
thereinliestherib 9 months ago
@thereinliestherib "We're the only country WITHOUT socialized care because we basically already have it?" That's like saying that a woman can have a baby because she is already infertile. We don't have it, or everyone would be getting healthcare- whether they can afford it or not. Dems got more money is 09- yes, but historically it is waaaay in favor of Reps. You can't pick out one in 500 and make it a suitable example. Dems got more money because everyone was sick of Rep nonsense.
littleladyinbigworld 9 months ago
@thereinliestherib If we already have Universal Healthcare, I wouldn't own over 30,000 to have my life saved after being assaulted. Other countries focus on preventative healthcare, not treating after it's already a problem, which is why they live longer in Europe. In the US, doctors get paid bonuses by insurance companies by the amount of people they DO NOT recommended for coverage, while elsewhere they get paid by preventative care- like getting peoples cholesterol down or quitting smoking.
littleladyinbigworld 9 months ago
@thereinliestherib Not to mention how doctors and pharmacists are deeply invested in drugs. They are really into stocks here. They invest in drugs, prescribe them when they aren’t necessary, and make a disgusting amount of money by treating symptoms, not finding cures. There’s less money in cures. What was the last disease cured- Polio? It’s a sham. Until it stops being a way for the semi-rich to become REALLY rich, this shall go on.
littleladyinbigworld 9 months ago
@littleladyinbigworld Or when millions of youths become addicted to pain killers and illicit adhd drugs because of their overabundance, and now the industry is kicking and screaming over DEA intervention to limit supply. You make a good point, and its furthered by the fact that the supply and demand for drugs is far greater than the prevalence of the conditions for which they are designed to treat, resepctively--ritalin and adderall are an excellent example.
thereinliestherib 9 months ago
@thereinliestherib I just checked back and for some reason my reply wasn't here. VERY well put. Ritalin is definitely one of the most over-prescribed of all. It is so easy to tell the parents that their child, who is a daydreamer like me, is actually ADD, because it doesn't show up on X-rays or CAT scans. I was on it as a child and they didn't even try something else first, like concentration techniques. Just shovel a pill down their throats and make us more money. It's sickening, isn't it?
littleladyinbigworld 9 months ago
My understanding is it is to address the current unemployment problem for young people as well. But it only helps the ones who do not have to work and encourages more unemployment for young graduates who have parents that can pay all their living expenses.
HoneyMyGolden 1 year ago
I'm not totally disagreeing with you, but I think a lot of the power to decide who gets treated actually lies in the private corperate insurance companies that turn terminally ill patients away because they're too expensive to insure. That's who the bill is meant to save. I don't know if it will do it's job and I don't know if giving that power to the federal government is a good idea, but I'm just saying the intent is good.
SMFortissimo 1 year ago
Put in browser - whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/10/19/adrienne-explains-how-college-students-are-benefiting-affordable-care-act Lucky Adrienne. She volunteers in her community & church because her parents continue to support her after they paid all her college expenses. Poor student paying off students loans (expenses another sham) has to work part-time because full-time work cannot be found in current economy and pays practically entire paycheck on coverage. This plan is a hand out to the rich.
HoneyMyGolden 1 year ago
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juxtn 1 year ago
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Do you think extending health insurance to children age 26 is for the poor? With the current unemployment rate this is a sham. Recent graduates who work part time do not qualify. Only if they DO NOT WORK at all. That's because if the employer offers insurance, which is required by law with 50 > employees, they must pay out of pocket for far inferior coverage. Whose children take a year off after graduation? Whose children are working part-time to find work? Rich kids get quality health care.
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terisavosburgmdk 1 year ago
substance abuse and they put pot!!! That should be on the fucking bottom fuck this shit
Ruzlier 1 year ago
Health Reform is so fake I ignored the matter for an entire YEAR!!!
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penkohelan 1 year ago
alright obama get those crooks. obama in 2012
manucalrad 1 year ago
Obama sucks ....
inxs13 1 year ago
That's why when health care reform is implemented, proper controls need to be put into place to ensure that the right treatments are put at the right priority level. Under our current system, there is health care rationing as well, only it's not based on the ratio of patients who need a procedure and specialists who handle that procedure; instead it's simply based on how much money you have. If you have lots of money, you can get treated for just about anything.
AllTheGoodNamzWerTkn 1 year ago
@AllTheGoodNamzWerTkn And if you're a responsible and healthy individual (a startling minority in this country), thereby consuming less health care, you get to pay for it all! Hooray! How progressive!
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib
You're not paying for the health care that you consume - you're paying for the health care that you would receive should you get sick AKA coverage, or insurance. Although we should all do everything we can to stay healthy (I don't know anyone who WANTS to be sick) none of us know when we might have an accident or come down with an unforeseen illness. It's called helping each other out. There needs to be more of that in this country.
AllTheGoodNamzWerTkn 1 year ago
@AllTheGoodNamzWerTkn BS. If people wanted to take care of themselves we wouldn't have a 70% (and skyrocketing) obesity/overweight rate (= diabetes, heart disease, cancer, lack of economic productivity), nor 25% addicted to smoking, nor the millions more who are addicted to prescription and illicit drugs. It's absolute crapola that you can venture the "moral" argument for health care in a country with no prior health-ethics. But yay, let's just force the healthy to pay for it all!
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
Cost of obesity alone: 150 billion/yr, and rising rapidly. That's enough to cover the uninsured TWICE over. F'in grand, as a young healthy person struggling to stay employed and in school, I'm forced to foot the bill of lazy, wreckless slobs. Boy oh boy, I'm so glad the democrats taught the system a lesson... by outdoing it at its own game. Totally worthless.
Vote em out!!
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib And let the other of the two evils gain power again?
MrNDSteinbach 1 year ago
@MrNDSteinbach Lesser of two evils logic is spineless, and, undeserving of the right to vote in the eyes of the founding fathers. If you haven't done anything to change the "evils" at-hand, to make them less eviler, then you don't have anything to complain about except your own self-loathing.
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib Well, seeing that I'm only in my mid teens, I have not made major strides politically...
It's hard to speak out when your just a kid...
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MrNDSteinbach 1 year ago
@MrNDSteinbach God save the children!
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib ಠ_ಠ
Ich glauben Gott nicht. Ich bin einen Atheist.
MrNDSteinbach 1 year ago
@MrNDSteinbach Neat. Gott mitt ons. Just kidding... If you are indeed an atheist, a philosophy of selfishness (in a neutral sense), then how can you support collective-based healthcare? It's precisely what the existentialists (atheists) called "bad faith."
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib How is atheism selfish? Fundamentalist theist think the Universe was made for them. Atheist don't believe something like that. Many atheist support living and giving everyone the chance to live. Before you say it, atheist can be pro-life.
MrNDSteinbach 1 year ago
@MrNDSteinbach Go to school if you want philosophical debate--not here. Atheistic "selfishness" does not posit something negative, only that we only have ourselves to rely on, and are that much more responsible for these short and bitter lives. Atheism makes one more responsible for one's actions, in the absence of some great disciplinarian in the sky. And as a matter of fact, you're speaking to someone who is (mostly) pro-life and also quite atheistic. Sooo... good point.
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib I wish my school had some sort of class related to philosophy, but sadly no. Sorry about being confused about the word 'selfishness' in context of your statement. I've never really heard it in such a context.
MrNDSteinbach 1 year ago
@MrNDSteinbach No philosophy in your school? What a friggin travesty. "Let's teach them what to think, not how." What an age. Go and get yourself some Sartre, Camus, and Cormac McCarthy. I wish people recommended them when I was younger. Good times...
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib Thanks
MrNDSteinbach 1 year ago
@MrNDSteinbach Unlike "thereinliestherib" I am an Atheist, Atheism is an absolute ,you cannot be "quite Atheistic" the nearest you can get is agnostic. I'm pro-choice, being Atheistic does not make you selfish any more than having a faith does. Selfishness like most human feeling and personnel values is a matter of your nature and nurture. Be that which you wish to be, not what someone makes you believe, learn about life and values make up your mind and live by your values not someone else's.
davijeph 1 year ago
@davijeph I just said that stuff to just cut him off...
XD
Don't worry, I'm not going to let some random person on the internet mold my beliefs...
MrNDSteinbach 1 year ago
@MrNDSteinbach Good luck and make a good life for yourself, from an old wrinkly Brit who despite that is nonetheless is still having one. Regards
davijeph 1 year ago
@davijeph Thank you
MrNDSteinbach 1 year ago
@MrNDSteinbach Naw, you cut me off when you couldn't offer up an objective rebuttal.
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib Hey, I'm going to school, I have friends, I have a life. I don't stay on the internet all day like you might do and 'debate' on Youtube. That is why I cut you off...
MrNDSteinbach 1 year ago
@MrNDSteinbach And still, no point...
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@davijeph Of course you're an Atheist. Because you BELIEVE there is no God, just as you BELIEVE you can deflate the giant, swirling chasm between it and agnosticism and thereby co-opt an actual philosophical position with a position of crass, bourgois bigotry (atheism). Have some humility you wind-bag of nihilist hokum...
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib Have some humility? OK, I'm a very unimportant atheist. Now piss off you prat.
davijeph 1 year ago
@davijeph No one believes in the God you don't believe in. Something to think about.
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib No it is not.
davijeph 1 year ago
@davijeph Of course not. Thinking requires work, after all.
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib No it does not.
davijeph 1 year ago
@davijeph Ah the final turn of the atheist: merely say the opposite of the other guy, because you have no explanatory efficacy of your own.
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib yes I do
davijeph 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib I'm also in favor of more government controls to ensure that people are able to buy the right kinds of food. I don't know if you are aware, but unhealthy food is usually cheaper than healthy food, hence there are more overweight poor people than overweight rich people.
AllTheGoodNamzWerTkn 1 year ago
@AllTheGoodNamzWerTkn No, food is not cheaper because it's bad. That's such a stupid myth. My lunch today cost me a whole four dollars and I got a juice, yogurt, bananas, and a sandwich. Whole foods will always cost less than manufactured junk, so your argument is bunk. In fact, at least part of the reason I am so healthy is because healthier foods are CHEAPER.
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
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PeonProduction 1 year ago
lol Funny how they keep trying to stop healthcare, keep it up, you dont know it yet, but the USA healthcare system with HMOs plain and simple SUCKED. About that "tobacco, fat and depression covered" item, its called PREVENTATIVE Healthcare, something in US you NEVER practice, u plain and simple wait for diseases to occur and Oh well, lets begin treatment. This is not a political view, its simple what I have observed with plain and simple eyes as a citizen
pjce3 1 year ago
this video is bad and the creator should feel bad
BrightRaven0 1 year ago
this is so wrong on EVERY level.
BrightRaven0 1 year ago
this video is speculation aka full of shit
eulex10 1 year ago
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THEValleyGurl16 1 year ago
Whats wrong with affordable Healthcare?
Do no harm is the old doctor saying right!?
You want your pocket book to hurt, just to get healthcare?
CrewRite 1 year ago
CREW: First of all, our Constitution doesn't give the gov't the authority to nationalize the economy en masse, nor does it give the gov't the authority to force someone to provide a product or service for a discounted price (price controls--which is a big theme in Medicare and Medicaid). I could say, "What's wrong with affordable housing" but everyone here knows how that turned out with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac artificially stimulating the market with Mortgage-backed securities.
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AdministrativeDept 1 year ago
This president is the most arrogant SOB ever to be in the white house nothing but lies,lies,lies-taxes,taxes,taxes he is raping us of our freedom wake up America we need to stop this so our kids have a future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AUTOBOT84 1 year ago
So wrong.
renevas2 1 year ago
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i have a friend that is a vet he has military medical assistance hes been going to kidney dialysis for 10 years hes not even on the list for a doner kidney whats the new health care reform gonna do for him
onegeorgeonedot2001 1 year ago
obama is confounded antichrist ! YES WE KILL ! you'll burn in a hell with your idol - hitler. USA, WAKE UP ! and greetings from Europe ;)
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Wilone328 1 year ago
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shazycalm 1 year ago
go buy your assault rifles and ammo before obama regulates firearms and only allows his band of jungle bunnies to have them
rockybirddog 1 year ago
If I was living in Europe, I would probably be a conservative. It's just the right in North America is way too crazy for me.
loucious22 1 year ago
wonder if it was this much fuss and hate over mandatory auto insurance??
jmart755000 1 year ago
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Blind sheep followers of thy Shepard Obama believe in Obama Care. He and both parties of Congress voted against accepting this same plan for their own families. Their not idiots all of the time, they are too damn smart to drink the same contaminated water they are serving for us!
Legalization of illegal Trespassers is the next flag burning, aimed to get their 11 Million votes!
When a Governments moral obligations to
the world out weigh the rights of it's own
people the Country will perish!
FutureTimes 1 year ago
@jmart755000 Probably not. But if someone can't afford auto insurance they can opt not to drive. If someone can't afford the newly mandated health insurance they must receive tax subsidies to help pay for that health insurance. I don't feel that it is correct for someone else to pay for my health insurance just because I can't afford it myself. That is my problem, not the problem of middle class America. Just sayin :)
katmariebokon 1 year ago
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jmart755000 1 year ago
@katmariebokon well we as Americans paid for and many exhilaratingly supported senseless wars and death for years.....now we "paying" for health and helping those who can't. And speaking as a veteran who recently fought in one of them senseless wars I have no problem with health care for all Americans. It's not a perfect Bill but something had to be done.....the kinks will be worked out over time like they always are
jmart755000 1 year ago
@jmart755000 I do not agree with the fact that I am now mandated by the government to purchase health care. Shouldn't it be my choice? Are we choosing security over liberty? What if I can't afford this mandated insurance? Someone else has to pay for my insurance via tax subsidies and that isn't fair. If I can't afford it, I can't afford it. Christ (I am a christian) teaches us to rejoice in the least of all circumstances, not to steal from others to accommodate for ourselves. One girl's opinion.
katmariebokon 1 year ago
@katmariebokon I understand. But I personally feel Jesus would not be conerned about what the price of another's good health will cost him. Specially when the high chance of it being detrimental to his financial well being is slim to none. Just my opinion
jmart755000 1 year ago
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katmariebokon 1 year ago
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@jmart755000 I agree fully. My issue here is not philanthropy. If I can't afford health insurance (which I cannot) that is my problem and my issue to deal with, not the responsibility of middle class America. Clearly I don't expect others without health insurance to feel this way. This is how I feel about my situation. It's not fair to demand someone pay for MY health care that I was mandated to buy against my own better judgment.
katmariebokon 1 year ago
@katmariebokon Did you just try to quote Jesus in a way that he would be AGAINST universal health care? You are aware that Jesus was probably the most radical socialist of his time correct? He fully endorsed everything in the old testament and even added some new social ideas. Matthew 19:21, Luke 12:33, Luke 3:11 and lastly Prov. 29:7 suggests you may be wicked and unconcerned with the poor. Read the book FFS.
scooped13 1 year ago
@scooped13 YouTube is amazing. From one comment you have learned enough about my character to deem me wicked. Fair enough. Good person, I am poor myself. I grew up in a dysfunctional, abusive, poverty stricken family. I am currently living paycheck to paycheck as I always have. I have never had medical insurance. I do not believe I should be required to purchase medical insurance that I cannot afford which is hoisted upon other taxpayers. Altruism and charity are heart issues, not Caesar issues.
katmariebokon 1 year ago
@katmariebokon I'm not judging, the bible is. You have no health insurance, so when you get sick or in a car wreck, you honestly think you are just gonna "suck it up" and not go to the hospital? No, you are going to go and i will HAVE to pay for your health care with my taxes anyway. You will still receive "socialized medicine" no matter how hard you fight. I dont have a horse in this race... im a disabled vet so i already have socialized medicine in America... its great.
scooped13 1 year ago
@scooped13 What about payment plans? I've had a number of emergencies which required immediate attention at an ER. I paid those balances off. What about the fact that illegal immigrants are granted amnesty? They'll still have access to our emergency rooms, but won't be required to purchase health care. How much sense does that make? Have you read about the quality of care of socialized medicine? This will crush our middle class in the long run.
katmariebokon 1 year ago
@katmariebokon I am the middle class and i love my socialized medicine. It provides me with preventative care, short wait times, reliable coverage, and affordable prescriptions. About the illegals: What happens if we take away the amnesty? but i do agree with you on the illegals... a better long term solution is required. Maybe you should try out national health care and then cry about it? If its SO bad it would just be repealed in the next election.
scooped13 1 year ago
@scooped13 I am not claiming to have the solution to the nation's health care crisis. Obamacare violates the 8th Commandment. If a christian decides (as scripture would have us) that it is his/her moral duty to provide health care for the uninsured, then he/she may freely and voluntarily comply with that duty. He/she should donate time, services, and/or money to hospitals and charities. That decision is between God and man. The involuntary redistribution of wealth can only be described as theft.
katmariebokon 1 year ago
@scooped13 This violates the Constitution (multiple sections of it).It violates Article 1, Section 8 of the Commerce Clause which grants rights to regulate interstate commerce, not intrastate commerce (health insurance is not interstate commerce since you cannot buy it across state lines).
Polls show most Americans believe the new law will cause the overall health care system in this country to get worse, the quality of the health care to get worse & health insurance coverage to get worse.
katmariebokon 1 year ago
@scooped13 This violates the Constitution (multiple sections of it).It violates Article 1, Section 8 of the Commerce Clause which grants rights to regulate interstate commerce, not intrastate commerce (health insurance is not interstate commerce since you cannot buy it across state lines).
Polls show most Americans believe the new law will cause the overall health care system in this country to get worse, the quality of the health care to get worse & health insurance coverage to get worse.
katmariebokon 1 year ago
Polls also show that a lot of Americans think the earth is 6,000 years old. Notice how you framed that statement btw... you didn't show any evidence that this was going to ruin our health care system... you just said that people think it will.
Well i don't have to show you any polls... I HAVE nationalized health care its its wonderful. Continue with the talking points if you must.
scooped13 1 year ago
@scooped13 I showed you evidence that this bill is illegal. It violates our Constitution.
"It shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment, or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change this subsection."
The quoted text effectively amends the Constitution and abridges the law-making authority of Congress. This has been done without two-thirds majority. So much for repeal.
katmariebokon 1 year ago
@scooped13 How are you not phased at the reality that this blatantly violates the Constitution of the United States? It clearly violates the Commerce Clause, it also violates the 4th amendment. Do you know that the IRS agents which are going to impose these new mandates are required to have fresh combat training? Wake up America!! Don't let history repeat itself!
katmariebokon 1 year ago
@katmariebokon Put your money where you mouth is, file a lawsuit. Unless, perhaps, you aren't as knowledgeable about the Constitution or the law as you lead on the COMMENTS section of youtube lol. A true sea lawyer.
-a US Marine
scooped13 1 year ago
@scooped13 Thank you for the respectful dialogue. :)
katmariebokon 1 year ago
SCOOP: A lot of entities have filed suit against this health care bill. There is a similar debacle going on in MA, care to defend it? Why do you think MA has the highest premiums in the nation? They have an individual mandate.
UTubekookdetector 1 year ago
@UTubekookdetector
You want me to explain why Mitt Romney's (Republican lol) health care plan failed? Um... because it was poorly planned, executed, and now being poorly planned again. A perfect example of why a half assed health care overhaul is stupid. Any other obvious things i can point out for you?
scooped13 1 year ago
SCOOP: Don't bury me in details. If you expect me to defend Mitt Romney's socialized medicine, you're dumber than I though. Would you care to expand on that "poorly planned" comment? That seems to be a problem with 99% of gov't initiatives. MA has an individual mandate like ObamaCare and it's hundreds of millions in the hole, just like Medicare (except it's trillions in the hole). Name one gov't program that was on time and on budget.
UTubekookdetector 1 year ago
@UTubekookdetector
Your logic: Lets get rid of the military, public schools, roads, and libraries. Hell, lets remove every gov. agency that ensures minimal standards on almost everything in our lives. Better question to you: Show me one industry that was better for PEOPLE before the gov. started regulating it.
I cant really explain "poorly planned" in a comment section on youtube... if your actually interested in facts i would suggest google. Im not defending MA's bad health care.
scooped13 1 year ago
SCOOP: Now you're going off on an unrelated rant. You're suggesting google? LOL Try reading a book kiddo. So, no details on MA's health care debacle? I thought so. You were buying time with generalization. I never said anything about getting rid of the military, although we could cut the fat there too. Tell me, where is education mentioned in the US Constitution?
UTubekookdetector 1 year ago
@UTubekookdetector
AGAIN - You are mistaking me not spoon feeding you for "no details." It would take hundreds of lines to explain to you what went wrong in MA health.
In your previous post you made it very clear, "99% of gov't initiatives" are inferior in some way to other programs. So i was suggesting we follow that logic and see where it takes us.
That's the great thing about the constitution, it is meant to be interpreted. Where does it say the gov can regulate cable?
scooped13 1 year ago
SCOOP: You make a good point, there are all kinds of gov't initiatives (glad you agree with me on that) that are unconstitutional. There are ways of amending the Const. People who want to "interpret" it to mean the federal gov't can provide HC or education can amend it. So, you can't name one gov't program that was on time and on budget? You have no details Scoop, sorry.
UTubekookdetector 1 year ago
@UTubekookdetector
I get the impression that you think the gov is competing with private industry. That is not the role of the government in hardly anything. They take on the jobs that the private industry fail at or succeed at the cost of the end user. NASA, DMV, the military, libraries, highways, FDA, NSA, FBI, 911, etc, etc, etc.
The issue of them being on time or budget is a question of method, not whether the idea is sound. There is always room for that type of improvement.
scooped13 1 year ago
The FIB would fall under the premise of "common defense," and so would the military. The DMV is under the 10th amend. it's a state task. My 911 services and those that come to my house when I call are not from the federal gov't. Apples to oranges. So, you still can't name one gov't program that was on time and on budget? I think the archives demonstrate your lack of knowledge on this issue.
UTubekookdetector 1 year ago
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@scooped13 What about payment plans? I've had a number of emergencies which required immediate attention at an ER. I paid those balances off. What about the fact that illegal immigrants are granted amnesty? They'll still have access to our emergency rooms, but won't be required to purchase health care. How much sense does that make? Have you read about the quality of care of socialized medicine? This will crush our middle class in the long run.
katmariebokon 1 year ago
@jmart755000. You know I wonder what is so 'mandatory' about auto insurance. I've been hit twice in the last five years and guess what they didn't have insurance. The cops didn't seem to give a flying f&ck. One cop told me it was MY PROBLEM I didn't have uninsured for the first one. WOW! my fault for them not having insurance, F&CK U PIG. I also know a few family members that have had issues with people with no insurance as well. Laws only work for those who obey the law.
TheTruthHurtsYup 1 year ago
@TheTruthHurtsYup
yeah it's not option for a driver NOT to have some type of moto vehicle insurances and majority of states. Sure you can drive without it but there will be steep plenty to pay if any incident were to ocurr or you are caught driving without it.......it's the law.
jmart755000 1 year ago
@jmart755000 thats cool to drive without insurance,,,if your a criminal! If I don't have mandated heath insurance, just me being alive is criminal. Bullshit.
TheTruthHurtsYup 1 year ago
its about time health care stops being a business
imparable990 1 year ago
LOL, Canadians like me are happy with the health care system.
U.S. should be blessing Obama for this change.
Insurance companies can "behave".
U.S. doesn't need a HealthCare system that thinks more about maximizing profit.
CrewRite 1 year ago
@CrewRite Thank you!
Sirafrican 1 year ago
CREW: Why then is Canada so far down the ladder on doctors per capita among OECD members? Why is Alberta's provincial budget on the verge of bankruptcy? Why do pharmaceutical companies in the US do so much more than Canadian pharmaceutical companies (R&D)? We've already tried socialized medicine with Medicare, it's a bankrupt price-control regime.
UTubekookdetector 1 year ago
@UTubekookdetector
Are you referring to Alberta or each individual provinces?
Healthcare regulations go province to province in Canada (same idea as State to State). But, the U.S. has National Healthcare.
CrewRite 1 year ago
CREW: We don't have national health care... yet. Each state has a lot of freedom (the # and type of mandates, as well as ability to vary premiums varies greatly, as well as state ability to enforce anti-trust laws), well for now they do. I was talking about Alberta specifically.
UTubekookdetector 1 year ago
@UTubekookdetector
Yawn...you have a affordable health-care system now, you can't just be happy.
Alberta maybe on the verge of bankruptcy, but that's only one province your talking about.
CrewRite 1 year ago
CREW: Glad to see you've learned that Alberta (as well as our Medicre system) is in a giant fiscal hole. Is the yawn your way of buying time? HC has become more expensive here for 2 reasons: 1) Many of these great operations are costly. 2) More and more payments are covered by the gov't or a third-party payer. But I'm sure you already knew that. What % of HC dollars are out-of-pocket in the US today?
UTubekookdetector 1 year ago
Yeah, we won, yeah, this is what I voted for. A real democracy not a plutocracy, yeah. Of the people for the people by the people. Yeah the people won this one.
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
Obama health reform passed because this is God will.
God wants to help the poor.
United we stand and divided we fall.
TheIxtlan 1 year ago
So God is going to take our prosperity away and damn us for our wrongdoings. In one perspective, that is correct. However...
Nevermind that we are the most charitable nation that has done more good than any other on this Earth. Nevermind all the good works we Americans have done for our neighbors(of the humanitarian sort). In spite of all of this, we deserved to be punished because we failed to be PERFECT. <_<
Agent1W 1 year ago
united we stand, our econemy falls. get the picture? the government is fucking up this country.
DoomHamster5197 1 year ago 3
@DoomHamster5197 ever wonder what is the government? Its the people making laws. In simple terms, U may think government is fucking the country, but it actually means more than 51% of americans are stupid and dont know what is good for the country. Remember, the government is as Smart as the majority of people that represents.
pjce3 1 year ago 8
guess I'm going to be fined. I don't have health insurance. I can't afford it and havent had a job in a year. I don't like that part of the new plan.
millienniumforce 1 year ago
So this video tells us that socialised healthcare in America is underfunded and so a list of priorities has to be drawn up?
And that's supposed to be an argument AGAINST giving it more money?
What is it with America's right wing? - You're slaves to the medical / insurance industry while your fellow citizens live in pain and die cos they can't afford treatment?
And being Christians you actually LIKE IT THAT WAY?
simonhumby 1 year ago
you could not have written that any better !
imparable990 1 year ago
What a joke!!Well now we are all slaves to OBAMACARE!!U.S.A=UNITED SOCIALISTof AMERICA!!This is just the beginning!!
ppspsd 1 year ago
LAW BITCHES!!! All you right-wing douchebags are nothing but a bunch of fucking loony toons. What are you going to do when none of the boogy men they created show up? The only thing these far-right fucktards in Washington are afraid of is their kickbacks from the insurance industry not coming anymore.
bigtexansfan 1 year ago
stop trying to scare ppl its over your just mad cause he's black tell the truth stop lying to cover up your racist views
hot1freeze 1 year ago
All this time black people have wanted equality, now you have it, except when someone doesn't agree with them, then we are racist, I AM TIRED OF THE SAME ARGUMENT!!!
cd3dnw 1 year ago
I can't wait til healthcare reform proves to be the right move in the yrs ahead, while those with an agenda who tried to stop it will be remembered as well..
Sanchez40065 1 year ago
Propaganda!
Tonza 1 year ago
It's sad to see so many Democrats, even good ones, good into the abyss for Obama. How self centered can that man be? And I thought Bush was bad, at least Bush got stuff done and tried to rally democrats and republicans in his first year. Obama is trying split them apart as far as possible in his first year. Not a sign of a good leader, complete opposite.
scottg4520 1 year ago
Obama cares about the citizens of America - and takes his Christian duty of charity and help thy neighbour seriously.
Next he'll fix the education system - I guess you'll really hate that!
simonhumby 1 year ago
Obamas Christian duty?
LMAO LOL LOL LMAO
You sound like one of those idiots that still thinks Osama was the master mind behind 9/11.
cjm291 1 year ago
@scottg4520 Obama is trying to split them apart, wow we will blame our grandmother if we had to. It's not the leader it's the people. It is us, we are to blame for allowing our world to fall apart.
watch?v=isTt4Zebvh8
markangeloc 1 year ago
@scottg4520
couldn't have said it better myself
NERDFREAKINGPOWER 1 year ago
March 15, 2010
Poll: Voters in Key Congressional Districts Want ObamaCare Like They Want a Raging Case of Gonorrhea: 7 in 10 Would Vote Against Their Representative if They Vote for Health Care Bill...
itisaduck 1 year ago
So Linda Gorman, an economist, is now an expert on health care? This is more libertarian bullshit!
AcebassII 1 year ago
Damn right! We are in business. You can't expect us to give away our product (health care) I want a new airplane, but Cessna is not going to give me one. They expect me to pay for it. Health care is a business. Businesses are meant to make a profit. The more, the better. That, is what makes America, America!
tiedyedkarma 1 year ago
So let's turn everything into a profit making venture then. Airforce, Army, Navy, Marines, Police, Libraries, Schools,
Fire Fighters etc. etc. Let's make them all profit making businesess too. then we will have the best of everything.
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
these cind of ads make me think of those of veridian dynamics, unmoral illigal in most countrys, highly political...but mostly worng! just saying things that are not true.
TheFunOnly 1 year ago
@TheFunOnly
but they have freedom by their constitution to allow them to say what they want. and more power to them i say
agentrick007 1 year ago
why? because they want your money?
i don't think you know what this is about...you prob. only know what these cind of adds tell you..
TheFunOnly 1 year ago
you said that its illigal in most countries for a person to post and add like that. Well we live in America and its completely legal here due to the US Bill of Rights. a per son can say what they want and there can be dissagreement on both sides. its one of the things that makes this country awsome. No human should ever be silenced by any entity.
agentrick007 1 year ago 9
I'm not talking about freedom of speech, but im talking about politically misleading people. Perhaps i sould explane my point some more:
There aren't that much companies in the world that tell you directly or indirectly what to think of politial ideas and they
TheFunOnly 1 year ago
souldn't tell you. Especially if make their money off of it, because they'll tell you to choose in there advantage even when it's bad for you.
this is not a questing about freedom but about Ethics.
TheFunOnly 1 year ago
if a person chooses such a thing, then the consequences lie on that individual. yes there are people who believe what they are told almost all the time but there are also individuals who can help that person see the light also.
agentrick007 1 year ago
So, you agree that these claims about healt reform make no sense, at all? And that I sould let people choose for them selfs to belive this or not so that someone else can tell them they souldn't belive everything they see? well...that doesn't make any sense..
TheFunOnly 1 year ago
im sayin if you disagree, prove this add wrong and post the evidence for all to see. that way they can use thier own rational minds to choose who to agree with. dont say that there should be some kind of athourity figure to keep these people quiet.
agentrick007 1 year ago
The problem is that the US is getting more and more like the movie 1984. So our rights are being attacked every day and we are losing because not enough people care. So no we can't just say what we want anymore. Look up "Veggie Libel". It's getting bad people so you better start speaking up.
Ni7suj 1 year ago
Not entirely true though. Our rights are being attacked every day and not enough people are standing up for them so we are losing. Just google "Veggie Libel". So we need to start speaking up and standing up for our rights. Instead of talking about it on youtube everybody should be writing letters to their congress.
Ni7suj 1 year ago
Lying is misrepresentation of the facts and fraud, it is as illegal to defraud someone here as it is any where else in the world. Lying to defraud and mislead the people is not protected by the Bill of Rights, that is a total disctortion of the bill of rights and a lie in itself.
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@agentrick007 For now. They're trying to take that right away too. Slowly, they are.
sparkyjunk 1 year ago
Are you free when you are just one hospital stay away from bancruptcy?
Are you free when insurance companies and there ever insistant need for profit dictates what health care you can and can't have?
Are you free when drug companies can bend you over the table to extract every last bit of cash from you?
Are you free when the mere thought of being sick makes you sick with the worry of how you are going to pay for it?
I wouldn't call any of that freedom
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
SCOOTER: Has the gov't share of health care expenditures gone up or down since 1965? Have mandates that insurance companies have to cover gone up or down since then? What is the avg. % of claim lines that Medicare refuses when compared to big insurance? Have medical bankruptcies gone up or down the past few years?
I think if you answer those questions you'll find out your argument doesn'