And the simple fact he just contradicted the very words of the bible, and teaches lack of money is root of evil makes him a heretic by not just the black church but ALL of christianity
You could be an atheist or a christians with common sense and see that the only person who prospers from the "Prosperity Gospel" are the "prosperity pimps". Not only is prosperity gospel unscriptural, it is in error. The things of Israel were promised directly to Israel during that dispensation. Gentiles were promised salvation by belief in Christ. Those pimps are fooling you. They use old covenant law and promises when it is convenient but leave out holiness and God's commandments. Hmmm!?
"Lack of money is the root of all evil" .... This popped in my mind for the first time like 3 weeks ago, and I never heard anyone say those words until seeing this video
what is amazing to me, is that people who critisize so much of what they have no clue about often accuse others of ignorance and gullibility. often such souls are themselves only parroting what some one else told them. which itself is often second hand heresay. if you didnt believe in what ike taught then dont support him. others have the freedom to give to and support whom ever they please. an intelligent person will support their right to do so. some fear simply that they are somehow wrong.mlc
anytime you go against the grain you will have flack and he's not lying about the conditioning most black people are in... I just found out how to free myself... when I had my 1st trip to Atlanta when I was 11 I didn't know black people could live in suburbs or 2 story mansions..
It seems to me that many of you are convinced that poverty equals piety and prosperity normally leads to unhappiness. That is a myth perpetuated by those who have wealth and want to keep it exclusively to themselves. I pose the question; Why would your god give you abundance upon the Earth but yet deny it to you in this life for a "promise" of the afterlife? Why is material comfort "wrong" to pursue? Do you believe you are meant to live a life of poverty?
Honey, get real. poverty will always be a part of some ones life. Just like some people will always die young. Certain things, both good & bad are a part of everyday life. Not all wealthy people are happy people...Leona Helmsley,Doris Duke, Christina Onassis,,were all wealthy beyond belief, and all were miserable beyond belief. Rev.Ike was just a greedy manipulator who knew how to play on the weakness of the gullible.
Not all wealthy people are unhappy, Oprah Winfrey, George Soros, Warren Buffett and Bill Gates come immediately to mind. Now just because Rev.Ike has a take on scripture that does not fit your preconcieved notion spirituality does not mean it is invalid. You assume that people somehow are unable to discern for themselves what is useful and what isn't. Orthodoxy is not the only way to salvation, you have to think outside the box and consider alternative ways of thinking. Like Jesus did.
With all the harm that Oprah Winfrey has done in promoting this "new age guru mess" i can't see her being a happy person. Remember money cannot buy happiness. Indeed, some wealthy people are happy, i never said "ALL" were sad sacks, Maybe if U could learn how to use "CRITICAL THINKING",,,, Orthodox or Unorthodox....Salvation could be closer at hand.
And what "harm" has Ms.Winfrey "inflicted"? I would say that organized religion has inflicted more harm than any "new age guru mess" you allude to. You still haven't answered my question:
Why would your god give you abundance upon the Earth but yet deny it to you in this life for a "promise" of the afterlife?
Instead of engaging in ad hominem attacks and non sequiturs, you might want to answer that question. By the way, I do engage in critical thinking; logical too. How about you?
She provides a Platform for the Likes of James Ray, Marianne Williamson & other new age Frauds to spew their nonsense. Instead of asking me why God is so peculiar,,,why not ask him! after all he's the one in charge of it all. LQQK, i'll be the 1st 2 say, God, does some strange things, but i anit gonna questioned him. who knows why God let some people die early, & some are pretty while others R ugly. It is just the way God does thing.
"Nonsense" in your humble opinion. At one point every religious orthodoxy was branded as "heresy". So what makes them "wrong" and you "right"? Specifically, what is "wrong" with Rev. Ike's interpretation of biblical teachings? How would you interpret "Be fruitful and multiply" from Genesis 1:28, doesn't your god encourage wealth given that simple 4 word command? Is there some deeper meaning I've missed? Do I take it as a command to spread my seed everywhere? Can I question that?
Rev.Ike is a FRAUD! anyone with an ounce of common sense, could see that miles and miles away. His teachings, are biblical twistings. Not ttruth. Wealth comes is many wrappings,,,not just material things, as Rev.Ike was so fond of. Since U appear to be a devotee of Ike, it is impossible to enligthen U. Just as Jim Jones led nearly a thousand to a horrific death, they couldn't be led to safety, no matter what!" when it comes to Ike, U have the same mind set.
In what way is he a "fraud'?Please give examples. Are you a theologian? From what authority do you determine that he twists anything? His "truth" is just as valid as anyone else's Jim Jones notwithstanding. Here's a disclaimer: I'm an atheist; so my "mindset" has no bearing on anything. Martin Luther had a "alternative' viewpoint of scripture, so did John Calvin and Baruch Spinoza. Are they 'fraudulent" too? It seem to me that you are the one "impossible to enlighten" not me.
@jollysincere are you even listening to what the man is saying himself. or are you simply parroting what those who have so successfully instilled their fears in you. i have delved into the bible for over 35 years. i can read it in hebrew and greek so, where are his twistings of scripture? no what you call twisting is in fact a twisting of your conventional doctrines of your particular branch of christianity. fraud? 40 years of success and no one challenged him on it dont seem like fraud to me.
@jollysincere wow! new age frauds. i take it that you simply can not tolerate any idea that is contrary to your interpretation of a book written in a language that you dont speak and is not even written for you. look up black hebrew israelite on youtube, or 'the great millstone'. see what the bible and socalled orthodoxy does to people. and before you critisize them listen to them they know the bible. WELL! and sadly literally. maybe you will see yourself...
This guy is a joke...30 rolls royce's? The problem with prosperity theology is it doesn't work in 3rd world countries...besides how long does it take the so called prosperity gospel to work? Their congregations are still among the poorest among evangelicals.
God wants His children blessed, that is true, BUT that isn't the ONLY thing God is for. So, when God blesses you with all the money you want and you're sitting there with the spirit of lonliness and unhappiness are you going to pay them to go away? People are perishing from the lack of knowledge b/c folks are trying to gain a penny of of the Word of God which was FREELY given to them. ::SMH::
Ok, let's examine your premises: Why would your god "bless" you with money yet let you sit there with the spirit of lonliness and unhappiness? Are you implying that a beggar is happier because he has not been "blessed/cursed" with money? How does one do good works unless there is an abundance of time and money? If god is giving his "word" freely, does that mean he is lonely and miserable because he has an abundance of "knowledge" and chooses to share that abundance?
Of course he will re-write the bible, how else could he dupe so many into handing over their money. I'm sure right now he and Oral Roberts are roasting in HELL!,,,,at least i certainly hope so. Rev.Ike is a shameless whore for Satan.
@jollysincere were you duped? if not do you go to church? do you give offerings? do you pay taxes? if you can say yes to any of the above seems like you are a hypocrit. you seriously should check out 'the great millstone' on youtube they are a group that damns everyone who dont think like they do to hell. becarefull when you fill your heart with ill wishes for others you may invoke them into your own life! but it is wonderful to know you dont have a hell to put anyone in... :)
No, i have not been duped, and i am a proud "Retired Baptist" having been one for over 10 years!...never been happier! Yes dearie! i give very handsomely to many charitable organizations that do GOOD WORK! For instance, R.A.M. check it out, Remote Area Medicine...anit no way in Hell i would Give a creep like Ike one cents! No, i don't have a Hell, but if there is one, I sure hope Ike is there roasting his Greedy phony Ass off!
@excusia is there a problem with that? did you know that the bible was written by men who were high on marijauna or opium? maybe had a little clarity to inject. "if one in your midst have a dream or a vision and it comes to pass such shall be a prophet unto you..." you do the math...
No! he had to spend every dollar he got to keep his Rolls Royce, and other luxuries afloat! LOL....nice day job if you can get it. Rev.Ike was a shameless whore for money, and he did not care who he exploited, as long as he got a Dollar, i truly believe his early childhood, when he was so damn poor...messed up his mind to the point he could never be satisfied with getting material things. This greedy Bastard should have died 30 years ago! Think of all the people who would have been better off.
In order for their to be a "love" of money, there had to be a lack of it. It's the lack of money that causes people to commit crime. Last time I checked, the original symbol of Christianity was a fish, which symbolized prosperity. That same symbol was also used when Yeshua fed the multitudes with fish sandwiches (fish and bread).
I think we need to ask ourselves how we claim the Universe to be the Source of all our supply, yet find ourselves struggling to make the mortgage.
So prosperity and spirituality is mutually exclusive? Would your god give you all that you need on Earth but yet wants you to suffer in life order to go to paradise after death? Why ? Did your god not command Adam "Be fruitful and multiply"? Wasn't Job prosperous, David? Solomon? Why do we equate poverty with piety? Why do we call people who say that it's ok to cultivate abundance and wealth "false prophets"? Why are they wrong, and you right?
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil; which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. ...vs 11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness. (The Holy Bible, KJV)
How can he change scripture like that & people follow him????? It is in the Word of God that ---1 Timothy 6:10: "For the love of money is the root of evil"---and he is twisting truth saying that it is the lack of money?? Heresy! and so to his "followers"!! Leave the bible out of your "get rich quick schemes"!!!
@007jjb I attribute that to a. growing up Roman Catholic b. attending a Jesuit run college c. reading a wide variety of books on theology and philosophy and most importantly...d. "Google search"
@DAngelo136 Not by extorting his children and not for selfish gain. Don't use the scripture out of context. Christ is our prime example, when did he ever extort others? He came preaching the Kingdom, "the kingdom of heaven is not meat and drink" (Romans 14:17) nor is the kingdom of this world (John 18:36). Go and learn what these mean. This is not a matter of poverty equaling piety as you state, but truth instead. We are to be content (Hebrews 13:5) I suggest you do a word search of contentment.
@44yavet What way is he "extorting" anyone? No one is forced to do anything. I reiterate: piety does not equate to poverty. Why would your god give you the abundance of all of the earth, instruct man to "be fruitful and multiply" while encouraging the opposite behavior? How about this:“Honor the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase: So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.” (Proverbs 3:9-10)
@44yavet Oh and by the way, all those quotes were complete quotations. Nothing out of context. Maybe you should take the log out of YOUR eyes so that you may see the speck in mine.
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44yavet 4 months ago
And the simple fact he just contradicted the very words of the bible, and teaches lack of money is root of evil makes him a heretic by not just the black church but ALL of christianity
FitnessMinded 7 months ago
You could be an atheist or a christians with common sense and see that the only person who prospers from the "Prosperity Gospel" are the "prosperity pimps". Not only is prosperity gospel unscriptural, it is in error. The things of Israel were promised directly to Israel during that dispensation. Gentiles were promised salvation by belief in Christ. Those pimps are fooling you. They use old covenant law and promises when it is convenient but leave out holiness and God's commandments. Hmmm!?
FitnessMinded 7 months ago
God wants you to prosper in the spirit
TruthLover87 7 months ago
"Lack of money is the root of all evil" .... This popped in my mind for the first time like 3 weeks ago, and I never heard anyone say those words until seeing this video
FreshBoyDJR 1 year ago
Correction: nor is Christ kingdom of this world, and we are children of his kingdom.
44yavet 4 months ago
Cult leader that runs on money alone
oldspam 1 year ago
what is amazing to me, is that people who critisize so much of what they have no clue about often accuse others of ignorance and gullibility. often such souls are themselves only parroting what some one else told them. which itself is often second hand heresay. if you didnt believe in what ike taught then dont support him. others have the freedom to give to and support whom ever they please. an intelligent person will support their right to do so. some fear simply that they are somehow wrong.mlc
oldschoolsituationz 2 years ago
This dude is a nut.
CharismaticBuster 2 years ago
anytime you go against the grain you will have flack and he's not lying about the conditioning most black people are in... I just found out how to free myself... when I had my 1st trip to Atlanta when I was 11 I didn't know black people could live in suburbs or 2 story mansions..
DJChinChin 2 years ago
It seems to me that many of you are convinced that poverty equals piety and prosperity normally leads to unhappiness. That is a myth perpetuated by those who have wealth and want to keep it exclusively to themselves. I pose the question; Why would your god give you abundance upon the Earth but yet deny it to you in this life for a "promise" of the afterlife? Why is material comfort "wrong" to pursue? Do you believe you are meant to live a life of poverty?
DAngelo136 2 years ago
Honey, get real. poverty will always be a part of some ones life. Just like some people will always die young. Certain things, both good & bad are a part of everyday life. Not all wealthy people are happy people...Leona Helmsley,Doris Duke, Christina Onassis,,were all wealthy beyond belief, and all were miserable beyond belief. Rev.Ike was just a greedy manipulator who knew how to play on the weakness of the gullible.
jollysincere 2 years ago
Not all wealthy people are unhappy, Oprah Winfrey, George Soros, Warren Buffett and Bill Gates come immediately to mind. Now just because Rev.Ike has a take on scripture that does not fit your preconcieved notion spirituality does not mean it is invalid. You assume that people somehow are unable to discern for themselves what is useful and what isn't. Orthodoxy is not the only way to salvation, you have to think outside the box and consider alternative ways of thinking. Like Jesus did.
DAngelo136 2 years ago
With all the harm that Oprah Winfrey has done in promoting this "new age guru mess" i can't see her being a happy person. Remember money cannot buy happiness. Indeed, some wealthy people are happy, i never said "ALL" were sad sacks, Maybe if U could learn how to use "CRITICAL THINKING",,,, Orthodox or Unorthodox....Salvation could be closer at hand.
jollysincere 2 years ago
And what "harm" has Ms.Winfrey "inflicted"? I would say that organized religion has inflicted more harm than any "new age guru mess" you allude to. You still haven't answered my question:
Why would your god give you abundance upon the Earth but yet deny it to you in this life for a "promise" of the afterlife?
Instead of engaging in ad hominem attacks and non sequiturs, you might want to answer that question. By the way, I do engage in critical thinking; logical too. How about you?
DAngelo136 2 years ago
She provides a Platform for the Likes of James Ray, Marianne Williamson & other new age Frauds to spew their nonsense. Instead of asking me why God is so peculiar,,,why not ask him! after all he's the one in charge of it all. LQQK, i'll be the 1st 2 say, God, does some strange things, but i anit gonna questioned him. who knows why God let some people die early, & some are pretty while others R ugly. It is just the way God does thing.
jollysincere 2 years ago
"Nonsense" in your humble opinion. At one point every religious orthodoxy was branded as "heresy". So what makes them "wrong" and you "right"? Specifically, what is "wrong" with Rev. Ike's interpretation of biblical teachings? How would you interpret "Be fruitful and multiply" from Genesis 1:28, doesn't your god encourage wealth given that simple 4 word command? Is there some deeper meaning I've missed? Do I take it as a command to spread my seed everywhere? Can I question that?
DAngelo136 2 years ago
Rev.Ike is a FRAUD! anyone with an ounce of common sense, could see that miles and miles away. His teachings, are biblical twistings. Not ttruth. Wealth comes is many wrappings,,,not just material things, as Rev.Ike was so fond of. Since U appear to be a devotee of Ike, it is impossible to enligthen U. Just as Jim Jones led nearly a thousand to a horrific death, they couldn't be led to safety, no matter what!" when it comes to Ike, U have the same mind set.
jollysincere 2 years ago
In what way is he a "fraud'?Please give examples. Are you a theologian? From what authority do you determine that he twists anything? His "truth" is just as valid as anyone else's Jim Jones notwithstanding. Here's a disclaimer: I'm an atheist; so my "mindset" has no bearing on anything. Martin Luther had a "alternative' viewpoint of scripture, so did John Calvin and Baruch Spinoza. Are they 'fraudulent" too? It seem to me that you are the one "impossible to enlighten" not me.
DAngelo136 2 years ago
@jollysincere are you even listening to what the man is saying himself. or are you simply parroting what those who have so successfully instilled their fears in you. i have delved into the bible for over 35 years. i can read it in hebrew and greek so, where are his twistings of scripture? no what you call twisting is in fact a twisting of your conventional doctrines of your particular branch of christianity. fraud? 40 years of success and no one challenged him on it dont seem like fraud to me.
oldschoolsituationz 2 years ago
@DAngelo136 lol! IAM God! be fruitful and multiply! just make sure that its not with my share of the women!.....lol!
oldschoolsituationz 2 years ago
I am an atheist, I don't believe in a supreme beings or gods. I'll take a pass on the "fruitful and multiply" part.
DAngelo136 2 years ago
@jollysincere wow! new age frauds. i take it that you simply can not tolerate any idea that is contrary to your interpretation of a book written in a language that you dont speak and is not even written for you. look up black hebrew israelite on youtube, or 'the great millstone'. see what the bible and socalled orthodoxy does to people. and before you critisize them listen to them they know the bible. WELL! and sadly literally. maybe you will see yourself...
oldschoolsituationz 2 years ago
This guy is a joke...30 rolls royce's? The problem with prosperity theology is it doesn't work in 3rd world countries...besides how long does it take the so called prosperity gospel to work? Their congregations are still among the poorest among evangelicals.
DoctrineUnderground 2 years ago
God wants His children blessed, that is true, BUT that isn't the ONLY thing God is for. So, when God blesses you with all the money you want and you're sitting there with the spirit of lonliness and unhappiness are you going to pay them to go away? People are perishing from the lack of knowledge b/c folks are trying to gain a penny of of the Word of God which was FREELY given to them. ::SMH::
jessypooh24 2 years ago
Ok, let's examine your premises: Why would your god "bless" you with money yet let you sit there with the spirit of lonliness and unhappiness? Are you implying that a beggar is happier because he has not been "blessed/cursed" with money? How does one do good works unless there is an abundance of time and money? If god is giving his "word" freely, does that mean he is lonely and miserable because he has an abundance of "knowledge" and chooses to share that abundance?
DAngelo136 2 years ago
Did you notice how this "preacher" corrects the bible? Interesting.
excusia 2 years ago
Of course he will re-write the bible, how else could he dupe so many into handing over their money. I'm sure right now he and Oral Roberts are roasting in HELL!,,,,at least i certainly hope so. Rev.Ike is a shameless whore for Satan.
jollysincere 2 years ago
@jollysincere were you duped? if not do you go to church? do you give offerings? do you pay taxes? if you can say yes to any of the above seems like you are a hypocrit. you seriously should check out 'the great millstone' on youtube they are a group that damns everyone who dont think like they do to hell. becarefull when you fill your heart with ill wishes for others you may invoke them into your own life! but it is wonderful to know you dont have a hell to put anyone in... :)
oldschoolsituationz 2 years ago
No, i have not been duped, and i am a proud "Retired Baptist" having been one for over 10 years!...never been happier! Yes dearie! i give very handsomely to many charitable organizations that do GOOD WORK! For instance, R.A.M. check it out, Remote Area Medicine...anit no way in Hell i would Give a creep like Ike one cents! No, i don't have a Hell, but if there is one, I sure hope Ike is there roasting his Greedy phony Ass off!
jollysincere 2 years ago
@excusia is there a problem with that? did you know that the bible was written by men who were high on marijauna or opium? maybe had a little clarity to inject. "if one in your midst have a dream or a vision and it comes to pass such shall be a prophet unto you..." you do the math...
oldschoolsituationz 2 years ago
anyone can tell me if he had given momey to anyone
gillmore718 2 years ago
No! he had to spend every dollar he got to keep his Rolls Royce, and other luxuries afloat! LOL....nice day job if you can get it. Rev.Ike was a shameless whore for money, and he did not care who he exploited, as long as he got a Dollar, i truly believe his early childhood, when he was so damn poor...messed up his mind to the point he could never be satisfied with getting material things. This greedy Bastard should have died 30 years ago! Think of all the people who would have been better off.
jollysincere 2 years ago
What a total whore of Satan
krovere5 2 years ago
Those prosper "preacher`s" should sell cars or something else instead, but why call themselves Christians, this is New Age Teachings!
missionoc 2 years ago
Rev.Ike has been around for ever, telling this bullshit to gullible people, mainly blacks. He is only concerned with material things,
jollysincere 2 years ago
In order for their to be a "love" of money, there had to be a lack of it. It's the lack of money that causes people to commit crime. Last time I checked, the original symbol of Christianity was a fish, which symbolized prosperity. That same symbol was also used when Yeshua fed the multitudes with fish sandwiches (fish and bread).
I think we need to ask ourselves how we claim the Universe to be the Source of all our supply, yet find ourselves struggling to make the mortgage.
BSCI70 2 years ago
So prosperity and spirituality is mutually exclusive? Would your god give you all that you need on Earth but yet wants you to suffer in life order to go to paradise after death? Why ? Did your god not command Adam "Be fruitful and multiply"? Wasn't Job prosperous, David? Solomon? Why do we equate poverty with piety? Why do we call people who say that it's ok to cultivate abundance and wealth "false prophets"? Why are they wrong, and you right?
DAngelo136 2 years ago
Amen brother!
PhysStud2006 2 years ago
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil; which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. ...vs 11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness. (The Holy Bible, KJV)
mb444tube 2 years ago
How can he change scripture like that & people follow him????? It is in the Word of God that ---1 Timothy 6:10: "For the love of money is the root of evil"---and he is twisting truth saying that it is the lack of money?? Heresy! and so to his "followers"!! Leave the bible out of your "get rich quick schemes"!!!
mb444tube 2 years ago
The love of money causes the lack of money in circulation.
prtmanprtGod 2 years ago 2
and yet:
"God has pleasure in the prosperity of His servant." (Psalm 35:27)
"God is not selfish or stingy but gives us richly all things to enjoy." (1 Timothy 6:17)
"God teaches us to profit." (Isaiah 48:17)
"God gives power to get wealth." (Deuteronomy 8:18)
"Yea, the LORD shall give that which is good; and our land shall yield her increase. (Psalm 85:12)
I think the good reverend was on to something, don't you? Or do you still maintain that poverty equals piety?
DAngelo136 2 years ago
@DAngelo136 For an aethist you sure know your scriptures. Whats up with that!?!?!
007jjb 1 year ago
@007jjb I attribute that to a. growing up Roman Catholic b. attending a Jesuit run college c. reading a wide variety of books on theology and philosophy and most importantly...d. "Google search"
DAngelo136 1 year ago
@DAngelo136 Not by extorting his children and not for selfish gain. Don't use the scripture out of context. Christ is our prime example, when did he ever extort others? He came preaching the Kingdom, "the kingdom of heaven is not meat and drink" (Romans 14:17) nor is the kingdom of this world (John 18:36). Go and learn what these mean. This is not a matter of poverty equaling piety as you state, but truth instead. We are to be content (Hebrews 13:5) I suggest you do a word search of contentment.
44yavet 4 months ago
@44yavet What way is he "extorting" anyone? No one is forced to do anything. I reiterate: piety does not equate to poverty. Why would your god give you the abundance of all of the earth, instruct man to "be fruitful and multiply" while encouraging the opposite behavior? How about this:“Honor the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase: So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.” (Proverbs 3:9-10)
DAngelo136 4 months ago
@44yavet Oh and by the way, all those quotes were complete quotations. Nothing out of context. Maybe you should take the log out of YOUR eyes so that you may see the speck in mine.
DAngelo136 4 months ago
ME TOO!
awakeninglight 2 years ago
ME THREE (3) INFINITELY!!!!!!!!!!
MINDMASTERJ8 2 years ago
I love this Man of God.
unclehose 2 years ago 2