lol people are so stupid. Bush isnt doing anything wrong. IF we arnt in Iraq then they will just continue to try and blow us up...Conspiracy..haha some people are just retards.
The Towers fell the way they did because of physics, not conspiracy. Here's a web page that explains it simply enough for a high school student to understand, maybe even simply enough for a conspiracy nut to understand:
TripleW (dot) burtonsys (dot) com (slash) staticvdyn
Can't argue with these facts people. WAKE UP! Get your collective american heads out of your asses, stop being so blindly proud, and do something about all this! The truth is the truth, deal with it. Your government killed your fellow country for fucks sakes! Why are you defending them? HANG THEM already! Jesus fucking christ!
Bush is a Murder he kills people i would like to see him oer there in iraq to see how his ball melt in the war...plus all this was invented so he would go to war to iraq
One of my favorite lies in this video is the claim that there was "molten steel" and only C4 explosive can cause that. It's difficult to find the source of this claim, but it was clearly anecdotal. There was no "molten steel," and even if there was, even C4 wouldn't keep it in a molten state for weeks, as is claimed. Molten METAL would be more plausible, which was also reported in WTC 6, which conspiracy theorists do NOT claim had explosives.
Guess that's why no-one heard or saw the massive explosion that was forceful enough to propel the debris & cause that damage, huh? Oh, wait...maybe it was just falling debris after all.
Great job with that strawman "blasted out" arguement, dumbass. It's a real doozy, and it made my day.
Bullshit aside Joe, I know you're really sorry for looking at those pictures of stucture damage from debris & realising your arguement is full of shit.
So now you know that there WAS damage to WTC7, thank god for that. As for no fires:
JoeCraine01, your right about the photographs and videos not showing debry, but even if there was debry (im talking to you poetryhound, the WTC 7 would never have fallen symetricaly and vertically. If it was debry,there would have been a wall or only part of it fall aside but not downwords like if it was melting in too earth.
Those are definitly detonators in the WTC7. And if oyu look in any video showing the WRC 1 & 2 collapse, well you will see small pockets of smoke bursting out of the wall before the actuall floor collapse. You can also see that they literally disolve down. Whoever thinks that its absolutly normal, will have to learn they're physics again. I am a physics teacher of energy/gravity/speed in france and WTC is one of the biggest issues I've been working on with my collegues
JoeCraine01 your right, Poetryhound. Even If a debry fel on WTC 7, It woudn't have collapsed vertically with so much precision, without a wall falling in the side. And as JoeCraine said, there are NO photosor videos showing debry fell. The conspiracy propaganda that poetryhound is talking about is actually saying that they where destroyed by the terrorists.
One of my favorite lies in this video is when they neglect to mention the WTC 7 was seriously damaged by falling debris from the collapse of WTC 1, and then make the claim that the fires in 7 were "small." Not according to the FDNY who were there. They even assessed the damage to the building, anticipated its collapse, & neither heard nor saw any demo charges going off at the time of collapse. This video is a piece of conspiracy propaganda.
My favorite sleight of hand in this video is the citation of the "Fire Engineering" magazine editorial complaining about the "fraudulent" 9-11 investigation. The video conveniently omit the fact that the article came out BEFORE the FEMA, 9-11 Commission, and NIST reports were issued. Two subsequent articles in the magazine, while expressing criticism, agreed with the finding that the combination of cataclysmic plane impacts and fires weakened the structures on those floors & led to the collapse.
You think? Geez, I hope it hits me on the head. I dont want to have to live through something like that! ut you're probably right...it will happen, and we will have nowhere to hide.
I think my favorite lie in this video is when they neglect to mention the WTC 7 was seriously damaged by falling debris from the collapse of WTC 1, and then make the claim that the fires in 7 were "small." Not according to the FDNY who were there. They even assessed the damage to the building, anticipated its collapse, & neither heard nor saw any demo charges going off at the time of collapse. This video is a piece of conspiracy propaganda.
Looks like JoeCraine has finally gone over the edge, first claiming there was no plane and now talking about the burning fuselage, inventing smoke images, claiming dead people talk to him, and accusing people who disagree with him of murder. What an intellectual giant! Is this really the best the 911 "Truth" community has to offer?
JoeCraine is up to his usual clownish antics of inventing facts out of the thin air. The people didn't jump. They were "shaken." As usual, he ridicules the victims and makes idiotic charges against anyone who disagrees with him. Hurray for this shining example from the 911 "Truth" community!
JoeCraine's bizarre claim that dozens of people were "shaken" out the windows is a product of his imagination. This is typical of the ignorance we get from 911 "scholars" who don't do any research.
I know there are some significant mysteries here, but I still dont think Bush & his trained monkeys have the brains to pull something like this off. Perhaps there is someone "higher up" than them? I just dont know what to think.
You're exactly right. Bush is just a puppet being told what to do. Just look into things like the Federal Reserve, which is just a complete fraud. I'm glad to be an Aussie these days but we're not safe for long either I dont think.
I watched Order of Death from Alex Jones last night, which is pretty far out but I don't see how it can be argued that all of these people are gathering doing some weird sh*t!!
The video accurately cites the call of one firefighter inside calling to say there were no fires we can't control. That was Orio Palmer, who was reporting from the 78th floor while the inferno raged on the 81st. Besides, if the fires were so small, why were people jumping? The video's claim that the towers were in a freefall is false. Debris forced out by the collapses is seen to fall faster than the collapses. THAT'S what's falling at freefall, not the towers.
Another sleight of hand is the citation of the "Fire Engineering" magazine editorial complaining about the fraudulent 9-11 investigation. What the video conveniently omits is the fact that the article came out BEFORE the FEMA, 9-11 Commission, and NIST reports were issued. Two subsequent articles in the magazine, while expressing criticism, agreed with the finding that the combination of the cataclysmic plane impacts and fires weakened the structures on those floors & led to the collapse.
Claim: There was "molten steel" and only C4 explosive can cause that.
It's difficult to find the source of this claim, but it was clearly anecdotal. There was not "molten steel," and even if there was, even C4 wouldn't keep it in a molten state for weeks, as is claimed. Molten METAL would be more plausible, which was also reported in WTC 6, which conspiracy theorists do NOT claim had explosives.
So many misrepresentations in this video, so little space to debunk them, although they've all been dubunked elsewhere. WTC7 was severely damaged by the collapse of WTC1. Fires burned for 6 hours with no suppression efforts, possibly exacerbated by the diesel storage, fuel lines, & transformers in the building. After it started leaning and creaking, NYFD officials pulled people from the site, anticipating the collapse. No demo charges were seen or heard by FDNY at time of collapse.
Yeah this video is right on. I got some info I would put on but im afraid the CIA would track me down. Its all these right wing little eichman's read chomsky, Noam Chomsky, he knows it.
Cellphones: "..besides flying low to the ground near a city".
So they do work sometimes. The problem is you're turning a "sometimes" into a "probably not". That would imply the 911 operators, and the 'people on the ground' into the big plot.
I never said they didn't use airfones. But the likelihood any cell phones were successfully used from where those airliners were is next to zero. As far as the 911 operators, they didn't have to be in on the plot at all...all they had to do was receive the call. What needs to be proven is who was on the other end. The ways in which the callers act sound a bit suspicious...I'm not saying they didn't happen genuinely, but they just dont add up well at all.
My whole point is that you guys have raised a hundred, wild and contradictory scenarios. Why not just accept the simplest explanation as what really happened. There's LOTS of evidence to support it too. My Father-in-Law is a pilot who has flown commercial jets for over 20 years. My cousin is an Air Force pilot. My brother is a Coast Guard Helicopter pilot. They say it can be done...they probably couldn't land safely...but they could steer. I believe them, and they didn't vote for Bush.
contradictory? I think the only contradictory scenarios are people claiming there were no airliners hitting the WTC or a missile going into the pentagon or no jews dying, etc...all stupid shit I haven't said and not my fault if some other jackasses are saying it. The only way all of this makes sense is that it was an inside job. Your "simplest explanation" is believing what the TV and govt parrots ad nauseum without question.
Insurance fraud too? How convenient. Also, I think there was a guy on the 98th floor who was cheating on his wife, and she was friends with a guy 'on the inside' who told her to make sure he went to work that day. Good thing he wasn't Jewish becuase he would've missed his own murder.
you're being a total jackass. you're obviously very agitated with what I'm telling you. With your idiotic digressing into absurd claims and belittle the argument into some circus. I never said a fucking thing about no Jews dying...but you erect your shitty straw man and attack it....thank you for making an ass of yourself.
Fine. Secret Presidential puppetmasters did it (with secret explosives) so we could invade Iraq AND the Leaseholder could collect insurance money & avoid asbestos removal...the 3 Bldgs were wired without anyone getting suspicious...Jews were pre-warned...a missile hit the Pentagon therefore making Flight 77 vanish...Flight 93 was not hijacked...terrorists are too stupid to fly the planes...the passenger's cell calls were phony...
If you imply I think UA93 landed safely, you're wrong again. It was shot down.
As far as terrorist pilots; how do total flunkies pull off a perfect spiral maneuver into the bottom floor without hitting the ground (including not getting shot down in restricted airspace)?
When's the last time your cell phone worked on an airline (besides flying low to the ground near a city)?
My point is you guys have come up with dozens of wild and contradictory questions. But there's MORE proof to support the official version.
My father-in-law has flown commercail jets for 20years. my cousin is an air force pilot, my brother flies helicopter sfor the Coast Guard. They say it can be done (they probably couldn't land though). I believe them.
The only proof you consider to be 'more' is that stupid tape that was 'found' and maybe something else I'm forgetting but I'd like for you to come up with it....everything else in the big event and the government behavior surrounding it before and after doesn't go in the official story's favor whatsoever.
It doesn't matter how they did it????? Tell that to all the 911 sites that base their bs on engineering facts. I said it before, you guys don't have one agreed upon theory, and you contradict each other.
Back to my question: Wouldn't the act of crashing the planes be enough to piss off America. The buildings didn't need to fall to put Bush's evil scheme into motion.
crashing the planes would've been bad, but the total loss of those buildings and the spectacular event while they were being lost is what has succesfully corrupted the reason of the public to think beyond emotions. Anyway the buildings had to go: they had the biggest insurance policy of all time placed on them and they were long overdue for asbestos removal and other upgrades which made them a severe expenditure sink.
where did they claim responsibility again??? in that jalalabad 'randomly' found tape where it's obvious it's not osama? or how about the tapes where osama already denounced and denied it? how about the fact FBI doesn't have him wanted for it because of no evidence and that CIA has stopped looking for him??
So Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield etc. spent their first 10 months in office plotting and organizing this grand evil, high-profile scheme to kill thousands so we start a war so a few could profit. Right.
just have a read of page 51 in "Rebuilding America's Defenses"...a very defining document of the PNAC crew (which would include Cheney, Jeb Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Libby, Armitage, etc)...saying a new Pearl Harbor is needed to get their plans accepted and enacted. This appeared September of 2000, but it has been before that in other things like Brezinski's The Grand Chessboard asking for empire to be built off of a 'widely perceived threat'. should I remind you of the voter fraud?
Muslim hatred of the U.S.(because of our foreign policy, Israel, whatever) is why it happened. The reasons that the US Govt was behind it are all over the place. (oil? global domination? revenge?) There's no cohesive argument.
no cohesive argument??? are you not aware of what got us into the previous gulf war? what got us into vietnam? what got us into WWII? what got germany into WWII?....or do you actually think everything is going to be ok and that government corruption is an obsolete notion to have?
Everything this country has ever done (good and bad) has led up to YOU being able to sit there and rant. Stop being so paranoid. At least they're on your side.
that's the most disingenuous statement you've said so far. it is exactly what i'm ranting about that won't let us rant any longer if we continue to let this criminal regime run for we could witness another attack, something that dwarfs 9/11 and therefore totally criminalize any form of dissent saying it was the reason that another attack happened.
How about a simple argument: Why not just dive bomb the planes into the buildings? Why go to the trouble to set a world demolition record and take a chance on getting caught wiring the buildings? The previous record set in 1998 (ONE 436ft tall, 90-yr old bldg) took 24 days to prep with 36,000' of wire & 2000lbs of explosives. The WTC had 30,000 workers who recall nothing more than a couple "power downs".
what makes the record apply to black ops? in all probability there are much more potent and manageable demo charges as well as radio-detonation available to secret groups. either way I won't theorize for you all the practicalities of how it was done. we just know that the end result of these collapses has nothing to do with jet damage and fires. Besides that there's guilty demeanor everywhere. So it doesn't matter how they did it and the specifics, so long as it's obvious they are guilty.
"Nothing to do with jet damage and fires?". So instead of the buildings falling to provide the "shock and awe", now you;re saying the planes provided the "cover" for the World's Greatest Demo Show.
the buildings falling was the demolition and their obliteration (falling) was also shock and awe. what's this 'instead' of shock and awe from falling to differ from the demolition??? you're not very clear.
The current record for demo: a 436' tall,90-yr old bldg set in 1998 took 24 days to prep with 36,000' of wire, 2Klbs of explosives. It also required 'pre-weakening' of the supports so the Demo would succeed. The WTC had 30,000+ workers who recall nothing more than a couple "powerdowns".
You're only filling your head with unofficial contradictory theories. Try reading what the 'other' experts say that back up the offical version - experts not connected with our Govt.
as far as dive bombing them...what difference would it make? you assume jets felled them regardless, but apparently they needed charges as they were specifically designed for such scenarios of impacts. why risk dive bombing and not have it collapse when you could make sure it collapses and instill good measure of 'shock and awe'? you also had to 'finish the job' of alleged terror plots of OBL.
more than likely the capitol building as has been postulated by govt. officials. and did I imply flight 77 was headed into the great unknown?? I'm pretty sure I didn't.
Why have none of the 20000 who ESCAPED ever reported seeing anything suspicious leading up to that day - as in Demo Experts prepping the towers for the biggest demo job EVER. And was Flight 93 headed towards another building packed with explosives - and have they since secretly removed them? How can the hundreds involved KEEP QUIET (impossible.)
nobody's asking for others to be all-knowing on the subject before disagreeing....i welcome doubts and questions..but when people vehemently say this is all ridiculous and deny what anyone has to explain it in return, then they are just a willfully in-denial pain in the ass.
Careful everyone. If you disagree with the creator of this video, then you clearly support Bush! Haha...OR perhaps both Bush and this ass clown are both retarded!
if people disagree with the video they should do so in a manner which points out where it is wrong, not in a manner where it says AH THIS IS ALL RIDICULOUS BULLSHIT...in that case, those people would be Bush supporters (bashing the conclusion while dismissing the premise of the argument) so that their beloved Fuhrer is magically without blame.
Why have none of the 20000 who ESCAPED ever reported seeing anything suspicious leading up to that day - as in Demo Experts prepping the towers for the biggest demo job EVER.
there are people who have reported seeing things suspicious...like power-downs and bomb sniffing dogs being called off duty and teams of workers going in. how long it would take is a variable seeing there's different types of explosives and amounts to use.
Why don't you join al qaeda you lying ignorant anti-semite c*@ksucker? You're spouting their blood libel party line for them. As everyone who doesn't masturbate to Jew-hating fairy tales knows, the names of those killed on 9/11 are a matter of public record and include Jews in disproportionate numbers, among both WTC victims and Fire Dept & Port Auth. workers. Too bad you were born 70 years too late, the wrong race and in the wrong country to goose-step at Nuremburg you pathetic would-be Nazi.
the jew theory is weak, let it go. you're giving anyone serious about uncovering 9/11 a bad name. focus on the facts, not the sci-fi intrigue style theories.
IF its true none died its not weak. i heard someone say its cos there was a barmitsva, and they r big if ur jewish...a few 100 people might go. there must have been about 3000 that worked there. what, they all took the day off work? the comkpanies would not function properly! not blaming jews, just seeing another fucking weird fact(?) about the tradgedy.
What a laughably smug response. You "touched a nerve" in the exact way that I would "touch a nerve" if I called you a "towel-headed sand n#*ger." Believing and spreading poisonous myths about entire ethnic groups is racism, and the response it provokes is the result of "baiting," not "touching a nerve." Your bitterness at not having achieved Turkish rock stardom from posting Cat Stevens covers has made you an ideal dupe for hate groups. Try defending your baseless slur w/ facts. You can't.
sure, ok. the collapse zone crashed through a building between itself and the ground as fast as it would have fallen through air? oh you didn't know? the collapse from start to finish was almost free-fall speed (in a vacuum). oh and did you forget about those pools of molten metal BELOW the rubble? what melted that? oh yeah there were scores of eye and ear witnesses to explosions going off and multiple flashes seen in the building prior to collapse...hmmm, yeah it's just structure failure....
wow, i just wasted 7:29 of my life that i can't have back! my IQ has dropped a few hundred points. the buildings collapsed because they were hit by FREAKIN' AIRPLANES full of jet fuel you morons. all of you make me completely sick to my stomach. how about instead of pointing fingers like a bunch of kindergartners we remember those whose lives were lost and those whose lives were saved because of heroes that shined in the face of tragedy.
wow, you're either a total liar or a moron. probably both. if you watched the video, you can see how the airplanes and fire theory doesn't work, MUCH LESS FOR BUILDING 7, jackass. those buildings were made to withstand up to two jet collisions EACH according to the construction manager. Oh btw, the family members and survivors are being remembered, as they know it's a fraud. Google William Rodriguez - last survivor and hero at WTC 1.
yeah, the titanic was built to never sink and we all know how that went too don't we?! people like you are EXACTLY what is wrong with america today. do us all a favor and just die please.
how mature of you to call for my death. people like you with your willful ignorance and hate are what is wrong with America...capital A jackass. regardless of what one credible guy said it could sustain..Underwriters Laboratories CERTIFIED the steel to withstand much hotter than those fires could have been able to produce for several hours before any of it could lose significant strength. btw south tower was hit second, less fuel, on the corner, it fell first
keep living in your little world. you're right, the us government is responsible for absolutely every bad thing that has ever happened since the history of the beginning of the world. they are the enemy. they planned everything just because. they fired missles at the towers. cuz that makes total complete sense! you are so smart!
keep it coming with the jackass comments. you can't debate anything. thank you, you're serving credence to my argument by showing how much of an idiot you are. really, thanks. ....btw the missiles theory is bogus..I never said/implied anything about that.
u dont actually give an arguement ajscoll. y not? cos u cant. there is similar evidence that the us knew about pearl harbour but needed to go to war so...that is most probably bullshit, however this is clearly not. iv watched things like this, and the news ie. both sides, and made my own opinion. u should try this instead of sticking with what u r spoonfed, not questioning anything and pouring scorn alot of facts.
I fully acknowledge that the US government made mistakes. However, it is one thing to make mistakes and another thing to accuse the US of planning the attacks. For people to claim that it was an "inside job" in which the government killed thousands of people is absolutely ridiculous. I'm smart enough to realize that arguing this fact among all of you is pointless. It wont do any good and I have a life and don't want to stoop to a kindergarten level.
but y? ur just goin to dismiss it like most people because u believe it is ridiculous. great, so if it was true no one will ever no cos people say it is ridiculous. magnificent. having said this i looked up some counter points and most of the conspiracies are proven bollocks!
and what straws do you have to grasp of the official story? oh that's right, none at all. the twin towers is but one facet of the big smorgasboard of other smoking guns of 9/11. we've got plenty to grasp from boy.
ohhh no! ...too bad i don't believe in that garbage, but for that i'm gonna tell the 'evildoers' on you. you should probably turn the tv on so you can be told what to think.
and you can log onto websites run by losers with a 6th grade education living in their Mom's basement so you can get the latest conspiracy theory to give your life some meaning.
you make me laugh. too bad i don't believe in half the conspiracy crap you sheeple try to slap on 9/11 questioners. if it were up to me i'd rather it all be a bunch of bs, but it's turning out to be not, and I have a problem with that. you're just too stuck in your synthetic world of mindless fluff fueling your willful ignorance and denial to be inconvenienced with things like engaging in intelligent debate. but now I now feel dumber for having bothered to respond to your inane comments.
how do you explain that there are reputable engineers on BOTH side of the issue, and not just on YOUR side? this is a hot debate, and not a settled issue, as you pretend.
'reputable' engineers that dismiss simple physics and restrict their scope on other things are simply practicing pathological science.
proper science looks at all available data and determines a conclusion, something the disbelievers of the official story are doing... in contrast to what the 'reputable' ones for the official story have done. (blinders on from a conclusion and only coming up with what may support that conclusion)
"Pull it" can mean a lot of things. Not sure it's right for the narrator to say "to destroy" it "with explosives" matter of factly...like if you look "pull it" up in the dictionary, thats what it must mean.
"pull it" is standard jargon used by demolition crews to commence demolition. it was used in the same PBS special which Silverstein said pull it (America Rebuilds) when demolition guys were taking down WTC6. there were no firefighter operations in WTC7, so Silverstein couldn't be referring to 'pulling' them out of the building. the timing of 'pull it' and 'and then we watched the building collapse' is a bit suspicious don't you think?
lol people are so stupid. Bush isnt doing anything wrong. IF we arnt in Iraq then they will just continue to try and blow us up...Conspiracy..haha some people are just retards.
Nicklin302 4 years ago
yeah.. that all is true.
Danandbass 4 years ago
guys its just a conspriacy, chill out its just bull crap
dragitore 4 years ago
What a pack of lies.
The Towers fell the way they did because of physics, not conspiracy. Here's a web page that explains it simply enough for a high school student to understand, maybe even simply enough for a conspiracy nut to understand:
TripleW (dot) burtonsys (dot) com (slash) staticvdyn
-Dave
ncdave4life 4 years ago
Can't argue with these facts people. WAKE UP! Get your collective american heads out of your asses, stop being so blindly proud, and do something about all this! The truth is the truth, deal with it. Your government killed your fellow country for fucks sakes! Why are you defending them? HANG THEM already! Jesus fucking christ!
dbz4lifemm 4 years ago
fuk bush
boycoollike 4 years ago
Bush is a Murder he kills people i would like to see him oer there in iraq to see how his ball melt in the war...plus all this was invented so he would go to war to iraq
jonathaninter86 4 years ago
One of my favorite lies in this video is the claim that there was "molten steel" and only C4 explosive can cause that. It's difficult to find the source of this claim, but it was clearly anecdotal. There was no "molten steel," and even if there was, even C4 wouldn't keep it in a molten state for weeks, as is claimed. Molten METAL would be more plausible, which was also reported in WTC 6, which conspiracy theorists do NOT claim had explosives.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
Guess that's why no-one heard or saw the massive explosion that was forceful enough to propel the debris & cause that damage, huh? Oh, wait...maybe it was just falling debris after all.
Great job with that strawman "blasted out" arguement, dumbass. It's a real doozy, and it made my day.
LOL
mrvatican 5 years ago
Honestly Joe, assumption after assumption with no factual evidence makes you look like a right idiot.
mrvatican 5 years ago
I never said there was debris on the roof of WTC7, dumbass.
Strawman arguement.
mrvatican 5 years ago
Bullshit aside Joe, I know you're really sorry for looking at those pictures of stucture damage from debris & realising your arguement is full of shit.
So now you know that there WAS damage to WTC7, thank god for that. As for no fires:
debunking911*com/wtcc*jpg
(just look at the pictures again).
mrvatican 5 years ago
Bollocks JoeCraine01.
Bollocks IrelandsPunk (A 14yr old physics teacher? What a dumbass).
Oh yeah...
debunking911*com/wtc7swd*jpg
&
studyof911*com/articles/winstonwtc701/
...anyone?
(Don't worry chaps just look at the pictures).
And could one of you idiots please explain to me what would be the point in using a controlled demolition to flatten WTC7?
What is the fucking point?
mrvatican 5 years ago
JoeCraine01, your right about the photographs and videos not showing debry, but even if there was debry (im talking to you poetryhound, the WTC 7 would never have fallen symetricaly and vertically. If it was debry,there would have been a wall or only part of it fall aside but not downwords like if it was melting in too earth.
Those are definitly detonators in the WTC7.
IrelandsPunk 5 years ago
Those are definitly detonators in the WTC7. And if oyu look in any video showing the WRC 1 & 2 collapse, well you will see small pockets of smoke bursting out of the wall before the actuall floor collapse. You can also see that they literally disolve down. Whoever thinks that its absolutly normal, will have to learn they're physics again. I am a physics teacher of energy/gravity/speed in france and WTC is one of the biggest issues I've been working on with my collegues
IrelandsPunk 5 years ago
JoeCraine01 your right, Poetryhound. Even If a debry fel on WTC 7, It woudn't have collapsed vertically with so much precision, without a wall falling in the side. And as JoeCraine said, there are NO photosor videos showing debry fell. The conspiracy propaganda that poetryhound is talking about is actually saying that they where destroyed by the terrorists.
IrelandsPunk 5 years ago
One of my favorite lies in this video is when they neglect to mention the WTC 7 was seriously damaged by falling debris from the collapse of WTC 1, and then make the claim that the fires in 7 were "small." Not according to the FDNY who were there. They even assessed the damage to the building, anticipated its collapse, & neither heard nor saw any demo charges going off at the time of collapse. This video is a piece of conspiracy propaganda.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
My favorite sleight of hand in this video is the citation of the "Fire Engineering" magazine editorial complaining about the "fraudulent" 9-11 investigation. The video conveniently omit the fact that the article came out BEFORE the FEMA, 9-11 Commission, and NIST reports were issued. Two subsequent articles in the magazine, while expressing criticism, agreed with the finding that the combination of cataclysmic plane impacts and fires weakened the structures on those floors & led to the collapse.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
You think? Geez, I hope it hits me on the head. I dont want to have to live through something like that! ut you're probably right...it will happen, and we will have nowhere to hide.
monit 5 years ago
I think my favorite lie in this video is when they neglect to mention the WTC 7 was seriously damaged by falling debris from the collapse of WTC 1, and then make the claim that the fires in 7 were "small." Not according to the FDNY who were there. They even assessed the damage to the building, anticipated its collapse, & neither heard nor saw any demo charges going off at the time of collapse. This video is a piece of conspiracy propaganda.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
Looks like JoeCraine has finally gone over the edge, first claiming there was no plane and now talking about the burning fuselage, inventing smoke images, claiming dead people talk to him, and accusing people who disagree with him of murder. What an intellectual giant! Is this really the best the 911 "Truth" community has to offer?
PoetryHound 5 years ago
JoeCraine is up to his usual clownish antics of inventing facts out of the thin air. The people didn't jump. They were "shaken." As usual, he ridicules the victims and makes idiotic charges against anyone who disagrees with him. Hurray for this shining example from the 911 "Truth" community!
PoetryHound 5 years ago
JoeCraine's bizarre claim that dozens of people were "shaken" out the windows is a product of his imagination. This is typical of the ignorance we get from 911 "scholars" who don't do any research.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
You people need to get a life. Yes, Bush is a murderer, but hey, he isnt smart enough to pull something like this off!! He's a moron.
monit 5 years ago
If you actually looked at all of this seriously, there is no way that you would be able to just blindly ignore what is staring us all in the face.
marknugent21 5 years ago
I know there are some significant mysteries here, but I still dont think Bush & his trained monkeys have the brains to pull something like this off. Perhaps there is someone "higher up" than them? I just dont know what to think.
monit 5 years ago
You're exactly right. Bush is just a puppet being told what to do. Just look into things like the Federal Reserve, which is just a complete fraud. I'm glad to be an Aussie these days but we're not safe for long either I dont think.
marknugent21 5 years ago
Yes, I know. We are all gonna fry...
monit 5 years ago
I watched Order of Death from Alex Jones last night, which is pretty far out but I don't see how it can be argued that all of these people are gathering doing some weird sh*t!!
marknugent21 5 years ago
Havent seen it, but yeah, there are some true wackos out there! Scary...
monit 5 years ago
The video accurately cites the call of one firefighter inside calling to say there were no fires we can't control. That was Orio Palmer, who was reporting from the 78th floor while the inferno raged on the 81st. Besides, if the fires were so small, why were people jumping? The video's claim that the towers were in a freefall is false. Debris forced out by the collapses is seen to fall faster than the collapses. THAT'S what's falling at freefall, not the towers.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
Another sleight of hand is the citation of the "Fire Engineering" magazine editorial complaining about the fraudulent 9-11 investigation. What the video conveniently omits is the fact that the article came out BEFORE the FEMA, 9-11 Commission, and NIST reports were issued. Two subsequent articles in the magazine, while expressing criticism, agreed with the finding that the combination of the cataclysmic plane impacts and fires weakened the structures on those floors & led to the collapse.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
Claim: There was "molten steel" and only C4 explosive can cause that.
It's difficult to find the source of this claim, but it was clearly anecdotal. There was not "molten steel," and even if there was, even C4 wouldn't keep it in a molten state for weeks, as is claimed. Molten METAL would be more plausible, which was also reported in WTC 6, which conspiracy theorists do NOT claim had explosives.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
So many misrepresentations in this video, so little space to debunk them, although they've all been dubunked elsewhere. WTC7 was severely damaged by the collapse of WTC1. Fires burned for 6 hours with no suppression efforts, possibly exacerbated by the diesel storage, fuel lines, & transformers in the building. After it started leaning and creaking, NYFD officials pulled people from the site, anticipating the collapse. No demo charges were seen or heard by FDNY at time of collapse.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
Yeah this video is right on. I got some info I would put on but im afraid the CIA would track me down. Its all these right wing little eichman's read chomsky, Noam Chomsky, he knows it.
Truthpolice 5 years ago
post it from a library computer
WNanette 5 years ago
Why does everyone want to be ignorant and NOT listen to logic?
AndrewEdwardRoss 5 years ago
wtc 7 had a very significant damage and fire.
morbidfrost 5 years ago
A Trick to kill there own First to Hide the Truth: Create a Slave Planet
The Trick Level Caught at: The Second Attack(High Tech), the Nimda Computer Virus on 9/17/01...
Satan17 5 years ago
Cellphones: "..besides flying low to the ground near a city".
So they do work sometimes. The problem is you're turning a "sometimes" into a "probably not". That would imply the 911 operators, and the 'people on the ground' into the big plot.
digammo 5 years ago
I never said they didn't use airfones. But the likelihood any cell phones were successfully used from where those airliners were is next to zero. As far as the 911 operators, they didn't have to be in on the plot at all...all they had to do was receive the call. What needs to be proven is who was on the other end. The ways in which the callers act sound a bit suspicious...I'm not saying they didn't happen genuinely, but they just dont add up well at all.
Thrashaero 5 years ago
My whole point is that you guys have raised a hundred, wild and contradictory scenarios. Why not just accept the simplest explanation as what really happened. There's LOTS of evidence to support it too. My Father-in-Law is a pilot who has flown commercial jets for over 20 years. My cousin is an Air Force pilot. My brother is a Coast Guard Helicopter pilot. They say it can be done...they probably couldn't land safely...but they could steer. I believe them, and they didn't vote for Bush.
digammo 5 years ago
contradictory? I think the only contradictory scenarios are people claiming there were no airliners hitting the WTC or a missile going into the pentagon or no jews dying, etc...all stupid shit I haven't said and not my fault if some other jackasses are saying it. The only way all of this makes sense is that it was an inside job. Your "simplest explanation" is believing what the TV and govt parrots ad nauseum without question.
Thrashaero 5 years ago
Insurance fraud too? How convenient. Also, I think there was a guy on the 98th floor who was cheating on his wife, and she was friends with a guy 'on the inside' who told her to make sure he went to work that day. Good thing he wasn't Jewish becuase he would've missed his own murder.
digammo 5 years ago
you're being a total jackass. you're obviously very agitated with what I'm telling you. With your idiotic digressing into absurd claims and belittle the argument into some circus. I never said a fucking thing about no Jews dying...but you erect your shitty straw man and attack it....thank you for making an ass of yourself.
Thrashaero 5 years ago
Fine. Secret Presidential puppetmasters did it (with secret explosives) so we could invade Iraq AND the Leaseholder could collect insurance money & avoid asbestos removal...the 3 Bldgs were wired without anyone getting suspicious...Jews were pre-warned...a missile hit the Pentagon therefore making Flight 77 vanish...Flight 93 was not hijacked...terrorists are too stupid to fly the planes...the passenger's cell calls were phony...
digammo 5 years ago
you keep pulling out your horrible straw man.
I never said shit about:
Jews being pre-warned
missile hitting Pentagon
If you imply I think UA93 landed safely, you're wrong again. It was shot down.
As far as terrorist pilots; how do total flunkies pull off a perfect spiral maneuver into the bottom floor without hitting the ground (including not getting shot down in restricted airspace)?
When's the last time your cell phone worked on an airline (besides flying low to the ground near a city)?
Thrashaero 5 years ago
My point is you guys have come up with dozens of wild and contradictory questions. But there's MORE proof to support the official version.
My father-in-law has flown commercail jets for 20years. my cousin is an air force pilot, my brother flies helicopter sfor the Coast Guard. They say it can be done (they probably couldn't land though). I believe them.
digammo 5 years ago
MORE proof? funny.
The only proof you consider to be 'more' is that stupid tape that was 'found' and maybe something else I'm forgetting but I'd like for you to come up with it....everything else in the big event and the government behavior surrounding it before and after doesn't go in the official story's favor whatsoever.
Thrashaero 5 years ago
Where was the bit that explained what happened to the "1000" soldiers? The US didn't loose that many in Afghanistan, did it?
TheRealNagora 5 years ago
It doesn't matter how they did it????? Tell that to all the 911 sites that base their bs on engineering facts. I said it before, you guys don't have one agreed upon theory, and you contradict each other.
Back to my question: Wouldn't the act of crashing the planes be enough to piss off America. The buildings didn't need to fall to put Bush's evil scheme into motion.
digammo 5 years ago
crashing the planes would've been bad, but the total loss of those buildings and the spectacular event while they were being lost is what has succesfully corrupted the reason of the public to think beyond emotions. Anyway the buildings had to go: they had the biggest insurance policy of all time placed on them and they were long overdue for asbestos removal and other upgrades which made them a severe expenditure sink.
Thrashaero 5 years ago
Are you getting your info from college professors - or is it all internet?
digammo 5 years ago
Here's a theory: Medievel, angry, suicidal, U.S.-hating, psychos that CLAIMED responsibility (& have since tried again.) did it. Common Sense people.
digammo 5 years ago
where did they claim responsibility again??? in that jalalabad 'randomly' found tape where it's obvious it's not osama? or how about the tapes where osama already denounced and denied it? how about the fact FBI doesn't have him wanted for it because of no evidence and that CIA has stopped looking for him??
Thrashaero 5 years ago
btw we have already heard that theory, thanks for trying though.
Thrashaero 5 years ago
So Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield etc. spent their first 10 months in office plotting and organizing this grand evil, high-profile scheme to kill thousands so we start a war so a few could profit. Right.
digammo 5 years ago
just have a read of page 51 in "Rebuilding America's Defenses"...a very defining document of the PNAC crew (which would include Cheney, Jeb Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Libby, Armitage, etc)...saying a new Pearl Harbor is needed to get their plans accepted and enacted. This appeared September of 2000, but it has been before that in other things like Brezinski's The Grand Chessboard asking for empire to be built off of a 'widely perceived threat'. should I remind you of the voter fraud?
Thrashaero 5 years ago
Muslim hatred of the U.S.(because of our foreign policy, Israel, whatever) is why it happened. The reasons that the US Govt was behind it are all over the place. (oil? global domination? revenge?) There's no cohesive argument.
digammo 5 years ago
no cohesive argument??? are you not aware of what got us into the previous gulf war? what got us into vietnam? what got us into WWII? what got germany into WWII?....or do you actually think everything is going to be ok and that government corruption is an obsolete notion to have?
Thrashaero 5 years ago
Everything this country has ever done (good and bad) has led up to YOU being able to sit there and rant. Stop being so paranoid. At least they're on your side.
digammo 5 years ago
that's the most disingenuous statement you've said so far. it is exactly what i'm ranting about that won't let us rant any longer if we continue to let this criminal regime run for we could witness another attack, something that dwarfs 9/11 and therefore totally criminalize any form of dissent saying it was the reason that another attack happened.
Thrashaero 5 years ago
How about a simple argument: Why not just dive bomb the planes into the buildings? Why go to the trouble to set a world demolition record and take a chance on getting caught wiring the buildings? The previous record set in 1998 (ONE 436ft tall, 90-yr old bldg) took 24 days to prep with 36,000' of wire & 2000lbs of explosives. The WTC had 30,000 workers who recall nothing more than a couple "power downs".
digammo 5 years ago
what makes the record apply to black ops? in all probability there are much more potent and manageable demo charges as well as radio-detonation available to secret groups. either way I won't theorize for you all the practicalities of how it was done. we just know that the end result of these collapses has nothing to do with jet damage and fires. Besides that there's guilty demeanor everywhere. So it doesn't matter how they did it and the specifics, so long as it's obvious they are guilty.
Thrashaero 5 years ago
"Nothing to do with jet damage and fires?". So instead of the buildings falling to provide the "shock and awe", now you;re saying the planes provided the "cover" for the World's Greatest Demo Show.
digammo 5 years ago
the buildings falling was the demolition and their obliteration (falling) was also shock and awe. what's this 'instead' of shock and awe from falling to differ from the demolition??? you're not very clear.
Thrashaero 5 years ago
The current record for demo: a 436' tall,90-yr old bldg set in 1998 took 24 days to prep with 36,000' of wire, 2Klbs of explosives. It also required 'pre-weakening' of the supports so the Demo would succeed. The WTC had 30,000+ workers who recall nothing more than a couple "powerdowns".
http://www.controlled-demolition.com/default.asp?reqLocId=7&reqItemId=20030225133807
digammo 5 years ago
The grand scale of the 'plot' in itself is why it did't happen your way. Just crashing the planes would've been enough "shock and awe".
digammo 5 years ago
You're only filling your head with unofficial contradictory theories. Try reading what the 'other' experts say that back up the offical version - experts not connected with our Govt.
digammo 5 years ago
as far as dive bombing them...what difference would it make? you assume jets felled them regardless, but apparently they needed charges as they were specifically designed for such scenarios of impacts. why risk dive bombing and not have it collapse when you could make sure it collapses and instill good measure of 'shock and awe'? you also had to 'finish the job' of alleged terror plots of OBL.
Thrashaero 5 years ago
And was Flight 93 headed to another pre-wired building? Or was it headed into the great unknown like Flight 77?
digammo 5 years ago
more than likely the capitol building as has been postulated by govt. officials. and did I imply flight 77 was headed into the great unknown?? I'm pretty sure I didn't.
Thrashaero 5 years ago
You describe Dick Cheney and George Bush very well.
cybervoyager 5 years ago
Why have none of the 20000 who ESCAPED ever reported seeing anything suspicious leading up to that day - as in Demo Experts prepping the towers for the biggest demo job EVER. And was Flight 93 headed towards another building packed with explosives - and have they since secretly removed them? How can the hundreds involved KEEP QUIET (impossible.)
digammo 5 years ago
nobody's asking for others to be all-knowing on the subject before disagreeing....i welcome doubts and questions..but when people vehemently say this is all ridiculous and deny what anyone has to explain it in return, then they are just a willfully in-denial pain in the ass.
Thrashaero 5 years ago
Careful everyone. If you disagree with the creator of this video, then you clearly support Bush! Haha...OR perhaps both Bush and this ass clown are both retarded!
machiavelli666 5 years ago
if people disagree with the video they should do so in a manner which points out where it is wrong, not in a manner where it says AH THIS IS ALL RIDICULOUS BULLSHIT...in that case, those people would be Bush supporters (bashing the conclusion while dismissing the premise of the argument) so that their beloved Fuhrer is magically without blame.
Thrashaero 5 years ago
Why have none of the 20000 who ESCAPED ever reported seeing anything suspicious leading up to that day - as in Demo Experts prepping the towers for the biggest demo job EVER.
digammo 5 years ago
there are people who have reported seeing things suspicious...like power-downs and bomb sniffing dogs being called off duty and teams of workers going in. how long it would take is a variable seeing there's different types of explosives and amounts to use.
Thrashaero 5 years ago
That's what I'd like to know.
isselman2000 5 years ago
Ownt.
namename 5 years ago
THis is BULL
Killrham 5 years ago
how many jews died on that day?....NONE!
angorian 5 years ago
Why don't you join al qaeda you lying ignorant anti-semite c*@ksucker? You're spouting their blood libel party line for them. As everyone who doesn't masturbate to Jew-hating fairy tales knows, the names of those killed on 9/11 are a matter of public record and include Jews in disproportionate numbers, among both WTC victims and Fire Dept & Port Auth. workers. Too bad you were born 70 years too late, the wrong race and in the wrong country to goose-step at Nuremburg you pathetic would-be Nazi.
svcscorp 5 years ago
i think i touched a nerve
angorian 5 years ago
the jew theory is weak, let it go. you're giving anyone serious about uncovering 9/11 a bad name. focus on the facts, not the sci-fi intrigue style theories.
Thrashaero 5 years ago
IF its true none died its not weak. i heard someone say its cos there was a barmitsva, and they r big if ur jewish...a few 100 people might go. there must have been about 3000 that worked there. what, they all took the day off work? the comkpanies would not function properly! not blaming jews, just seeing another fucking weird fact(?) about the tradgedy.
ps. someone let me know if jews did die or not
tjk507 5 years ago
What a laughably smug response. You "touched a nerve" in the exact way that I would "touch a nerve" if I called you a "towel-headed sand n#*ger." Believing and spreading poisonous myths about entire ethnic groups is racism, and the response it provokes is the result of "baiting," not "touching a nerve." Your bitterness at not having achieved Turkish rock stardom from posting Cat Stevens covers has made you an ideal dupe for hate groups. Try defending your baseless slur w/ facts. You can't.
svcscorp 5 years ago
the buildings collapsed because the structure was damaged, simple as that
FletchupCSF 5 years ago
sure, ok. the collapse zone crashed through a building between itself and the ground as fast as it would have fallen through air? oh you didn't know? the collapse from start to finish was almost free-fall speed (in a vacuum). oh and did you forget about those pools of molten metal BELOW the rubble? what melted that? oh yeah there were scores of eye and ear witnesses to explosions going off and multiple flashes seen in the building prior to collapse...hmmm, yeah it's just structure failure....
Thrashaero 5 years ago
many unanswered questions....the government should just answer these questions...
booger999 5 years ago
does anyone care at all?
kilowarning 5 years ago
you just dont want to hear the truth do you
Chuckmills 5 years ago
wow, i just wasted 7:29 of my life that i can't have back! my IQ has dropped a few hundred points. the buildings collapsed because they were hit by FREAKIN' AIRPLANES full of jet fuel you morons. all of you make me completely sick to my stomach. how about instead of pointing fingers like a bunch of kindergartners we remember those whose lives were lost and those whose lives were saved because of heroes that shined in the face of tragedy.
ajscoll 5 years ago
i agree with you.....
SecretWhisper 5 years ago
wow, you're either a total liar or a moron. probably both. if you watched the video, you can see how the airplanes and fire theory doesn't work, MUCH LESS FOR BUILDING 7, jackass. those buildings were made to withstand up to two jet collisions EACH according to the construction manager. Oh btw, the family members and survivors are being remembered, as they know it's a fraud. Google William Rodriguez - last survivor and hero at WTC 1.
Thrashaero 5 years ago
yeah, the titanic was built to never sink and we all know how that went too don't we?! people like you are EXACTLY what is wrong with america today. do us all a favor and just die please.
ajscoll 5 years ago
how mature of you to call for my death. people like you with your willful ignorance and hate are what is wrong with America...capital A jackass. regardless of what one credible guy said it could sustain..Underwriters Laboratories CERTIFIED the steel to withstand much hotter than those fires could have been able to produce for several hours before any of it could lose significant strength. btw south tower was hit second, less fuel, on the corner, it fell first
Thrashaero 5 years ago
keep living in your little world. you're right, the us government is responsible for absolutely every bad thing that has ever happened since the history of the beginning of the world. they are the enemy. they planned everything just because. they fired missles at the towers. cuz that makes total complete sense! you are so smart!
ajscoll 5 years ago
keep it coming with the jackass comments. you can't debate anything. thank you, you're serving credence to my argument by showing how much of an idiot you are. really, thanks. ....btw the missiles theory is bogus..I never said/implied anything about that.
Thrashaero 5 years ago
u dont actually give an arguement ajscoll. y not? cos u cant. there is similar evidence that the us knew about pearl harbour but needed to go to war so...that is most probably bullshit, however this is clearly not. iv watched things like this, and the news ie. both sides, and made my own opinion. u should try this instead of sticking with what u r spoonfed, not questioning anything and pouring scorn alot of facts.
tjk507 5 years ago
I fully acknowledge that the US government made mistakes. However, it is one thing to make mistakes and another thing to accuse the US of planning the attacks. For people to claim that it was an "inside job" in which the government killed thousands of people is absolutely ridiculous. I'm smart enough to realize that arguing this fact among all of you is pointless. It wont do any good and I have a life and don't want to stoop to a kindergarten level.
ajscoll 5 years ago
but y? ur just goin to dismiss it like most people because u believe it is ridiculous. great, so if it was true no one will ever no cos people say it is ridiculous. magnificent. having said this i looked up some counter points and most of the conspiracies are proven bollocks!
tjk507 5 years ago
lives were needlessly lost u prick. thats the problem. can u actually argue against the points on the video?
tjk507 5 years ago
The US Government needs to answer some questions looking at this
Daymo7 5 years ago
i think the usa just wanted to knock down somwe towers
theliger 5 years ago
hmmmm thats really wondering me.
theliger 5 years ago
you tinhat nuts would be screaming there was no way a plane could do this damage or even hit the towers if it hadn't been caught on film.
Keep grasping at those straws.
shanaem 5 years ago
and what straws do you have to grasp of the official story? oh that's right, none at all. the twin towers is but one facet of the big smorgasboard of other smoking guns of 9/11. we've got plenty to grasp from boy.
Thrashaero 5 years ago
It's "woman" you sexist pig.
Just for that I'm telling the Illuminati on you.
Better pull that tinhat on extra tight.
shanaem 5 years ago
ohhh no! ...too bad i don't believe in that garbage, but for that i'm gonna tell the 'evildoers' on you. you should probably turn the tv on so you can be told what to think.
Thrashaero 5 years ago
and you can log onto websites run by losers with a 6th grade education living in their Mom's basement so you can get the latest conspiracy theory to give your life some meaning.
shanaem 5 years ago
you make me laugh. too bad i don't believe in half the conspiracy crap you sheeple try to slap on 9/11 questioners. if it were up to me i'd rather it all be a bunch of bs, but it's turning out to be not, and I have a problem with that. you're just too stuck in your synthetic world of mindless fluff fueling your willful ignorance and denial to be inconvenienced with things like engaging in intelligent debate. but now I now feel dumber for having bothered to respond to your inane comments.
Thrashaero 5 years ago
how do you explain that there are reputable engineers on BOTH side of the issue, and not just on YOUR side? this is a hot debate, and not a settled issue, as you pretend.
machiavelli666 5 years ago
'reputable' engineers that dismiss simple physics and restrict their scope on other things are simply practicing pathological science.
proper science looks at all available data and determines a conclusion, something the disbelievers of the official story are doing... in contrast to what the 'reputable' ones for the official story have done. (blinders on from a conclusion and only coming up with what may support that conclusion)
Thrashaero 5 years ago
machiave ur an idoit just like george bush
BGBOIBICH 5 years ago
"machiave ur an idoit"
I don't understand what you mean. Does someone here speak Retard?
machiavelli666 5 years ago
"Pull it" can mean a lot of things. Not sure it's right for the narrator to say "to destroy" it "with explosives" matter of factly...like if you look "pull it" up in the dictionary, thats what it must mean.
machiavelli666 5 years ago
"pull it" is standard jargon used by demolition crews to commence demolition. it was used in the same PBS special which Silverstein said pull it (America Rebuilds) when demolition guys were taking down WTC6. there were no firefighter operations in WTC7, so Silverstein couldn't be referring to 'pulling' them out of the building. the timing of 'pull it' and 'and then we watched the building collapse' is a bit suspicious don't you think?
Thrashaero 5 years ago
mind boggling
Nykko 5 years ago
WOW! That was intense..
lilajane2004 5 years ago