Taser against Passive Resistance - Suspend Chief Jernigan

[deftroniks]

What the police don't realise is that they are supporting a type of behaviour that could well easily be used against them and their families. The police are just normal everyday people when they take off their badges. They should seriously think about that.

[gotgank]

You have got to be kidding me. I would have drug you in by your ankles.

[starlitephi]

Mindless ZOMBIES would agree that anything the police tells you to do you must do. That is why they are mindless and Zombies. Most of these would be rednecks! They LOVE violence and to make people comply with their demands. Every unjust 2 bit tyrant has always been protected by... the POLICE!

[Reggieworth]

ok, after seeing dozens of people FALL DOWN when they get tased, we all know that tasing someone to make them STAND UP is a monumentally stupid idea

taser for compliance is torture

cigarette burns are probably effective to gain compliance, how about police use lit cigarrettes on people who dont comply..?

[ptlpatton]

He was not even tasered.

[wooddaniel81]

Do what the police tell you... there's an idea

[Wulfenbach]

Even if they ask you to do something against the law ?

[InLulzWeTrust]

What if he tells you to jump off a bridge?

[hostetterkl]

your all retarted he is simply not moving because they didnt ask him to the police feel they have the right to throw thier wieght around as they please and i garuntee(not spelled right) if they would have tasered him it would be a lawsuit won for the arrestee i can promise you that.

[heartsaddict33]

I would have rather seen them beat him than use a non-lethal taser to make him comply with legal commands.

[IPOMonster]

Resisting arrest is resisting arrest.

If you want to be an asshole or disturb the peace, then you deserve getting your ass handed to you...

[karmicdejavoodoo]

I love the way people throw the word "communist" around without regard for accuracy. Bonecrkr is typical of the type of uneducated, hypocritical idiots who profess to love this country but feel that free speech, and civil rights only apply to the people that agree with their viewpoint.

[Tagapinasako]

Please forgive him he never had breast milk when he was a baby 50 years ago......

[tomchartjr]

SERIOUSLY???? He didnt get tazed. What a tool: "excuse me youre cutting off my circulation" "you ripped my jacket". If you are not complying you are resisting! Simple if you actively resist in can become assualt or something of that nature.

[Bonecrkr]

Geez, what is this cop thinking. The correct way to encourage compliance in a liberal, is to kick him as hard as you can in the nuts with a steel toed combat boot, until he starts moving.

Geez. American police are really poorly trained. They should start hiring Russian police for consulting work.

[cooldood1025]

From your comment it sounds like you're about as UN-American as they come. Got some pent up aggression issues pal?

[Bonecrkr]

There is nothing more american than apple pie and stomping neo-communist liberal scum.

Viva la rev....aiiiiaaaah! Mwahahaha.

[lordkoos]

They should start hiring Russian police for "consulting work."

Gee how "American" are you?

[sexboywonder]

so what are you going to do America?

[MADTNPO467]

Whose the idiot who posted this??? The guy did not get the taser, and plus the opening credits said lethal force. Wrong, tasers are non lethal and it was not excessive, he was in the process of being arrested.

[Wulfenbach]

Wrong a taser is a non-lethal weapon as a weapon that doesn't cause death(been proven wrong), but no matter it is still a weapon and such should be handle as a weapon lethal or non-lethal, and to those who said they went by the book, only proves there is something wrong with the book and it needs a revision.

[MADTNPO467]

they did everything right, your since of reality is gone. Officers have the power and authority to use the force necessary to subdue an individual and execute the arrest. Guess what my taser is no different than my mace. Mace is a non-lethal tool, and guess what that could cause death to. So get off it!

[LoPhatt]

It's called pain compliance, and it works. The problem is how we see it. There is no difference between this and being pinched with pliers or say being stuck with needles, the results are the same - compliance through torture techniques. To do this to humans is okay, but if done to an animal it would be considered an inhumane act.

[LCPStud]

You are a complete dipshit.

If a guy has GONE LIMP there is no need to SUBDUE him.

Fuck off cocksucker. Go live in Russia.

[AlachuaProject]

Well if you want to see what CAUSED the arrest and what Grapski did when Jernigan approached him - that too is on the web.

Watch Citizen Grapski posted by this same user. Particularly the fifth and final of the clips. It has the entire arrest sequence including Grapski sitting in the City Commission meeting doing nothing.

So much for theories that somehow "liberals" don't want people to see the cops doing "good."

[webbm00001]

ummmmm, he didnt even get the taser? This video sucks...

[therealMage]

Ever notice how all these "poor hippie-evil cops" videos begin with the cop doing the tasering, why dont they show the cop arriving on the scene? Thats because the libs dont want to show the 20 times the cop asked the hippie to stand up and put their hands behind their backs.

[klard]

Apparently it has come to the point in our evolution toward Fascism that the police are a sovereign authority with no accountability. Asking the Courts or public officials to hold them accountable is a waste of time. There used to be a crime called false arrest. All you thugs who support everything the police do- under the Constitution the police cannot arrest any one with out justification. That is illegal.

[trooper0096]

This video is retarded. They broke no laws, the supreme court has said over the past 200 years that a law enforcement officer can use ANY force necessary to make an arrest. This video is another to attempt to bash police without even knowing the law or the all of the facts.

[WolfEagle1961]

Before everyone starts yelling how blind I am, I saw this same dude in a similar pic wearing bifocals

[WolfEagle1961]

All I see is a fat, old, bald man with glasses wearing a nice white shirt with a credential on it, most call it a badge. The badge used to be a symbol of authority and respect was given. However, over the recent years that respect is being erroded away not by society, but by the people we pin badges on and allow them to call themselves a "police officer". An officer by it's very name commands professionalism.

[proffssl]

The nazis on this thread obviously would have been for tasering, beating or killing the Boston Tea Party people, George Washington, and all of the founding fathers. Because all of them were doing the same thing - resisting authority.

[devilcowangelpig]

If the cops were to lazy to hall that guy in (resistant or not) then what would that have done if they have had to pepper sprayed him or beat him unconscious? Just yelled at him to get going? Fucking lazy pigs.

[proffssl]

This is the problem. cops are too lazy and bloodthirsty these days.

[goatfiendS]

An appropriate control and restraint technique of pain compliance would have been sufficient to have the simple old fat hippie get up. I believe he should have then been sprayed with O.C., after which he would have resisted arrest, then the tazer could have been judiciously administered. The whole incident could have been averted with the old aluminum baseball bat to the sole of the foot trick.

[caribesd]

The soundtrack is all wrong. replace the background music with the Benny Hill soundtrack or something like it. (-:. If it was my house, I drag him out too.

[tvillars]

Oh please the guy wasn't even tasered. What a whimp.

[Chronic2112]

they should have shot him.

[THORBONE]

wait did he get tasered or no?

[lastfreemaninamerica]

People should challenge their government when they disagree with it. Look at all the deaths Bush and Cheney have caused through their arrogance and their lies and yet they go unpunished. This country doesn't belong to the police, to elected officials, or to the corporations it belongs to us.

[lastfreemaninamerica]

Remember it was also against the law when the colonists borded that ship and dummped the tea into the water. And it was against the law when we declared our independence from the English Crown. So I think the law is kinda relative.

[conveyician]

BULLSHIT. If you don't comply, then you can get the shit beat out of you, or get tased. He made his choice. I commend law enforcement for exercising such polite restraint. Good Job Guys!

[rallyedoug]

In Nazi Germany you'd "get the shit beat out of you" or worse.We live in a country where the rule of law should prevail and assholes like that dont have the right to beat anyone. Along with my XD-40 I keep a copy of our Constitution and Bill of Rights handy. We have the right to protest. If you were awake in history class you'd know we were founded on protest. Those cops swore to protect and defend our Constitution. They gave no thought at all to the words they uttered.

[EagleWA1]

Just so you know there buddy boy, you may have the right to protest, but it can be regulated as to time and place.

[arfreemangirl]

Mr. Grapski has every right to investigate and attend community meetings, etc. BUT that does not give him the right to disobey. He says he is not resisting, but what is not obeying??? If he cannot see this, how is he going to report "the truth", sounds more like 'sore grapes'.

[AlachuaProject]

Sour grapes? I think you are confused as to the law (and by the way people's RIGHTS - which are the highest "law"). Do you have a right to disobey? Actually you do.  Do you have a right to resist? Again you do. You seem to assume that a citizen has an absolute obligation to jump when ordered to do so by a person with a badge. That might work in the military with a person with more stripes to a person with less. But it is not the law in America. Or Alachua by the way.

[SuperDroogie187]

The entire arrest, itself, was an act of obstruction of justice. See, the guy arrested had sued city officials for election fraud. All he did was attempt to obtain records (which is his right as per the Freedom of Information Act), yet, to further cover up their obvious crimes, those city officials had him arrested. The mayor, city council, and the police department were all in on this cover-up.

[cajundel2001]

are you really that ignorant??? not cooperating with an officers commands is BREAKING THE LAW ... duh

[Mampara1]

Porky PIG belongs in Jail

[jum1801]

Heh. This guys sounds like thousands of other cranks who get a ticket and then want to scream "corruption!" So the nut escalates, making himself a nuisance at council meetings.

So he gets a plan - make them taser him! Have the camera ready! Then put it all together with Jaws music and Amnesty Int'l references, and put it on YouTube and set up a web site and ask for $. Suuuuweeeeet!

Well, I agree that this incident was a shame - the taser should have been a lot stronger.

[moonskeen]

Lol why didn't they taser him? Grapski is a douche bag.

[aquabone81]

All you cops, aggreeing with eachother what you know is wrong. Sad

[409chev]

hey lamedic...i believe in God,sore ass...just cause you got busted....LOL

[Bliggida]

To resist an arrest (even unlawful) is a crime. Unlawful or not, under arrest means under arrest. YOU DON'T MAKE THAT DECISION, The Officer does. Only decision you get to make is whether you will recieve a TASER discharge. Police say = you do. End of story.

[RayAir1]

A taser is not "extreme and lethal force" you communist! Ever been hit by one? You recover almost immediately. You liberal, tree hugging communists need to crawl back in the hole.

[409chev]

there comes a time when you have to stand up, whats next gay cops telling you to pull down your pants or else you'll get tazered

[lamedic26]

you would probably welcome the opportunity to pull your pants down fag

[wizzard271976]

you should do what the police say it was extreme but if he was in a school or a goverment building he could do harm at anytime and needs to be removed.

[MacDizzleABN]

Taser's are NOT LETHAL force.

[Dumbell99]

Many people have died...google it.

[MacDizzleABN]

Case after case the cause of death is never completely the work of the taser. too bad it didn't kill this dumbass though.

[dazednconfused75]

Don't you get it? If the Taser aggravates a heart condition and leads to a death, the Taser caused the death. Not every one in this world is perfectly healthy and the all knowing law enforcement officers of this world should know that. They also need to be a little more careful in their use of force before the citizens take the Tasers out of their arsenal.

[MacDizzleABN]

Several TASER test subjects were using pacemakers man, read into it. You don't get it.

[JTokko]

They tazed him for nothing. Thats excessive. You guys talk like your the shit. Stand up (or sit)for something you believe in and get tazed you would be screamin injustice too. All that shit about police bullshit is why this country isnt free anymore. They will do this for anything just a matter of time before its you on the recieving end. Unless your a pig who doesn't have the balls to stand for freedom. All good police are not subject to that last statement.

[Jmuduke]

Dchalk, thats assuming that the arrest is legitimate. In this case, they can't arrest someone for not moving. Arresting someone for sitting down seems pretty ridiculous to me, and I'm sure there's no law against it. So to resist unlawful arrest is patriotic.

[dchalk2002]

Disobeying an officer's command is considered resistance... and who is the citizen to decide if the arrest is lawful? Do what you're told when a cop tells you to and you won't have any problems. Resistance is still RESISTANCE!!! Not moving when a law enforcement officer tells you to will more times than not get you into trouble... just ask Grapski.

[AzkabanGuard]

resisting an arrest, even if it is an unlawful arrest, is still against the law... Look it up. And I am quite sure that officers who have been doing their jobs for several years, know what they can and cant do.

[jamesjwilsonsr]

Let me ask, what does tazing a person who will not get up do?  They still will not get up. If the person was demonstrating on private property and the owners asked the police to remove the person, then they served their job by dragging him out. Tazing on the other hand, would serve no purpose in this scenario.

[AzkabanGuard]

Its called pain compliance. I dont know the entire story, but it appears from what I see here that he was at some type of city council meeting or something like that. If he was interupting the meeting thats a crime and he can be arrested. If he refused to cooperate with the officers giving instructions, then thats what you get. The video doesnt actually show the guy getting tasered anyway as far as I can see. The seems like a real jerk.

[dchalk2002]

First of all, there was no " extreme or lethal force" if he did not get tazed... why didn't he just stand up and cooperate?

[pansejtan]

Typical OMG POLICE BRUTALITY!!11!!1 bullshit. The guy did not cooperate with police officers so he got tasered. It was his fault, a citizen is obliged to cooperate with law enforcment, otherwise he may get into trouble. Taser is lethal force? WTF??

[bdcochran]

Wow! The music is especially sinister. Stupid is as stupid does. So, some guy asks if he is going to be tasered. He is told yes. So, he understands the consequence of complying with an officer's orders. Would you have your daughter marry a guy with that sense of reality?

[qyark]

taser is lethal force?

0.o

[Aikuinen]

What a child this Charlie Gapski is! Nobody got tazered! I was hoping that he would, though. But no, nothing happened. And Charlie shit his pants.

[cyruseli]

Thechad708, he did not get tazed, you're dumb. Not resisting the police for a wrongful arrest just shows the police that they can arrest whoever they want for whatever reason they want, no consequences. I hope one day you get arrested for sitting somewhere, and I hope the night you spend in jail makes you miss a day of work that gets you fired or you miss the funeral of a friend, then maybe you'll understand why police arrests for no reason ARE WRONG.

[thechad708]

When is the moron who was being arrested going to appologize for his behavior? I'm glad he got tazed maybe he learned his leason, dont resist the police!

[cscarnage]

GrapskiDefense I have a question

Why didn't he stand up?

I'm just wondering. He seemed awfully upset about his jacket being ripped. Maybe he should have just left

[Ratfus1]

Jernigan is still on payroll. It's like a paid vacation.

[mystimayhem]

OH MY GOODNESS!!!! THE POLICE OFFICER TO THE LEFT HAD A LASER BEAM ON HIS GUN AND HE HAD IT POINTED AT YOUR HEAD THE WHOLE TIME!!!!! I am disgusted at the Police Force in Alachua County Florida. What a discrace to the GOOD people trying to put their lives on the line. Those officers should be ashamed of themselves. Thank God you are alright sir.

[alexciaramirez05]

I do agree, he really wasnt doing anything to be tased. so, maybe it wasnt an idle threat, maybe a scar tactic. who knows. I never heard of anyone dying from a Taser. that would have to be one hell of a taser.

[donxiong050783]

Oh yeah, by the way a "taser" is not a "lethal" or "deadly" force dumb ASS. It is categorized as a "non-lethal" or "soft force". A gun or knife would be considered a "lethal" force. Dumb ASS. GrapskiDefense are you suppose to be a lawyer or something. How do you not know this shit?

[donxiong050783]

Stupid People. "PASSIVE RESISTANCE" IS STILL RESISTANCE. "NON-COOPERATIVE" IS RESISTANCE. TRESPASSING IS A CRIME. Dumb ASSES.

[GrapskiDefense]

The officer did not follow through with it - which was a good thing for that officer - as it is now the Chief who is solely responsible for the activities of that day. Otherwise that officer would be subject to the legal liabilities that will be brought upon the Chief.

[GrapskiDefense]

Mr. Grapski then ASKS whether the Chief is going to have him Tasered.

The Chief responds "Yeah if you don't get up."

Which part of that do you not understand?

[GrapskiDefense]

The use of such force can only be PROPERLY (and lawfully) used to PROTECT the officers or the public from the threat of harm or actual harm from the individual.

Mr. Grapski at no time posed a threat to any of the officers nor to the public.

You did miss, apparently, the Chief ordering the Taser. The Chief orders the officer to pull out the Taser. You see him and hear him do this. The officer does so and aims it at Mr. Grapski.

[GrapskiDefense]

Furthermore you conveniently ignore the issue here - and that was the threat of the use of force against an individual PASSIVELY resisting an unlawful arrest. Even if the arrest was LAWFUL - the use of force or the threat of the use of force in order to get a person to ACTIVELY participate (or cooperate) in the arrest is inappropriate and unlawful.

[GrapskiDefense]

The use of force and the use of the power of arrest in the instance of a lawful issue of trespass has been long determined in the State of Florida (and is supported by case law) to be an INAPPROPRIATE use of the power of arrest.

There was no need to arrest Mr. Grapski - and no lawful basis for the arrest.

[GrapskiDefense]

The Governor of Florida ABSOLUTELY has authority over the Chief of Police. The Governor has the authority to suspend, remove, or replace the Chief of Police.

There was no "crime" of trespass. Mr. Grapski had a RIGHT to be present and participate at the City Commission meeting. And he did not disrupt the meeting at all.

[GrapskiDefense]

A person who dies because of blood loss DUE TO a gunshot wound died because of the loss of blood. What caused the loss of blood? The gun and the bullet.

In a Taser incident the electrical current is the method of causing the death - which is caused by heart failure, etc. The cause of the heart failure is the Taser not the heart. (In other words if the Taser was not used - the person would not have died. Thus the CAUSE of death was the Taser).

[billypilly]

If a person died due to a gun shot wound, the ME report will list the cause of death as "gun shot wound."

So again, still looking for the death that the Taser casued.

[GrapskiDefense]

The City of Alachua categorizes the Taser as Lethal Force of a lesser nature than a gun. (For those who need a lesson in the English language "lethal" and "deadly" are synonymous - that means they mean the SAME thing.).

The Taser has been the CAUSE of death in over 200 cases in Florida alone. The MEDICAL cause of death and the INSTRUMENT that caused that are two different things.

[billypilly]

Again, just post one instance where the Taser was the cause of death in Florida. If there have been 200 as you say, surley the liberal Web sites have just one posted somewhere.

[bmxin342]

I wouldn't make such conclusions that this man is necessarily resisting an UNLAWFUL arrest until you understand what has happened prior to the footage shot. Oh, and I must have missed the portion where the Chief orders the taser, since I notice the man isn't tasered... And finally a taser is classified as Level 1 Force in most departments, along with hair-holds, arm-bar, escort holds, etc. these are all in lawful responses to PASSIVE RESISTANCE.

[GrapskiDefense]

Individual Citizens in the United States of America STILL have the RIGHT to RESIST an unlawful arrest.

And no, "resisting" - particularly PASSIVE resistance (which you hear the officer state is how Charlie is resisting) - does not AUTHORIZE police to "subdue" an individual. For that the individual has to pose A THREAT to someone.

[Kraluth]

Well, considering I don't know all the info, I can only remain general on this. First off, I've noticed that tasers and other weapons used in anything other than self-defense tend to cause more public unrest than any officer should want. Second off, they seemed to be doing alright by carrying him, I hardly see how the taser was necessary.

[CroakerMD]

Fail to comply with a lawful order = resisting arrest. And you are not that special... you resist arrest, the police have the RIGHT to subdue you physically. And Tasers are nicer than billy clubs or dogs... but we could start using them again if you like.

[cactuschris2002]

Wow,a threat for more harsh action if the public doesn't like your current actions. Just a big bully, aren't we??

[GrapskiDefense]

The individual in question did not "disrupt" anything. And one does have rights even if that were the case. And certainly it is well established that the use of the arrest - and particularly the use of force - in such an instance as someone speaking in a "disruptive" manner (if that occurred) is inappropriate.

And there is a right to passive resistance - particularly when you are resisting an unlawful order or arrest.

[GrapskiDefense]

Tasers have been the cause of over 200 deaths in Florida alone.

The appropriate use of the Taser is not to get someone to obey - but to protect the police or the public from someone who is threatening to do harm.

[billypilly]

GrapskiDefense,

I challenge you to post ONE medical examiner's report from Florida in which the Taser is listed as the cause of death.

[GrapskiDefense]

It is very interesting to learn how many people will comment who have no clue about American law and the rights of individuals.

The order was unlawful therefore one has the right to resist.

The Governor of the state DOES have the authority over the police chief.

The Alachua Police Department Manual (as well as all others) defines the Taser as deadly force.

[billypilly]

The crime is trespassing and the order to leave was lawful.

The Governor of Florida does not have authority over a police chief.

And no law enforcement agency in Florida catagorizies the Taser as deadly force as thay all use the FDLE authorized use of force matrix.

[lake122]

grapski,

With all due respect (seriously), what was unlawful about him ordering the guy to leave? And did he actually taser the guy, or just tell him to? Perhaps he was just making an idle threat? (I am not saying that is a smart thing to say).

[billypilly]

I say give that Chief a pay raise!! Comply with a lawful order or get Tased!! Nothing wrong with that at all!!

In spite of Amnistey International claims, I challenge ANYONE to post a medical examiners report in which the Taser was the actual cause of death. A Taser is NOT deadly force and has saved lives since its introduction into law enforcement.

Finally, um, dip shits, the Govenor of Florida does not have authority over a police chief. Its the elected mayor or city counsel.

[erichw23]

guess what.. u dont listen.. it gives them the right.

sucks but its true.

PASSIVE RESISTANCE IS STILL RESISTANCE PEOPLE!

[thejerry33]

where do you people come up with this shit

[cumanes21]

Be INTELLIGENT, the ONLY thing EVERYONE SHOULD DO is to cooperate with the officers, for whatever reason you are being arrested.

[cumanes21]

..and again, say thanks to God that you live in America. Here is much simpler, they don´t have the budget for "tasing toys" they have feet, knuckles and GUNS for NON COOPERATING Individuals. You just need a little taste of REAL WORLD.

[cumanes21]

What are you talking about? RIGHTS and S**IT??.. Yeah, you should be THANKFUL TO GOD that you live in a Country where you can play with stupid legal terms "UNLAWFUL Arrest, PASSIVE RESISTANCE".

[GrapskiDefense]

Its illegal, edogriff, and inappropriate.

One has the RIGHT to "resist" an UNLAWFUL arrest.

Furthermore, police do not have the right to use FORCE against someone who is PASSIVE in their resistance (which is really non-cooperation rather than resistance).

As for the music - soon there will be up the raw footage itself - including the footage of what CAUSED the arrest.

Please take a look at that.

[DA4LE]

YAWN....

[erichw23]

PASSIVE MEANS NOTHING.. stop saying it.

So I can interupt meetings and public proceedings and then when its time to go to jail.. I can just be passive and the cops are supposed to go home? Are you kidding?

Passive Resistance is still resistance and this will never change

[dchalk2002]

Police do have the right and obligation to use force on anyone RESISTING arrest, be it passive or physical. Pain compliance or chemical agents can be used on subjects pasively resisting... i suggest you read a use of force manual sometime before you fly off at the mouth.

[edogriff]

whats wrong with a leo using force against a person RESISTNG ARREST.

[ichetucknee]

You lost me with the music, if this is a true event, it needs no soundtrack. Sorry to hear they tased you, we all know they're a bunch of throwbacks up there. But seriously, don't put out videos like this with a horror movie soundtrack, it makes the whole thing into a joke.

[souco2]

That sucked. I thought I was gonna see someone doing the kicken chicken!

[coldwetnoodlenose]

hollywood couldn't do any better than this. john williams and steven spielberg teach a civics lesson.

[TheRadikal]

I always cover Charlie on my blog and will continue to do so. Hundreds of my readers remain informed on his case b/c I believe he is truly an advocate of democracy and a true patriot.

[sasha031]

Florida is getting to be a very dangerous place for a citizen to live. The people that live there should be outraged. With laws like shoot first ask questions later, and the tasers by so called law inforcement. Very scary stuff, I know I'll never step into that state again.