Re: McCain Out of Touch on Birth Control: Planned Parenthood Action Fund TV Ad

[fushiafleur]

when you say "the question really is ..."

and then go on to say that the question is really asking if he wanted to put a government mandate on all forms of birth control. that's where you're mistaken. The girl, knowing that McCain voted against having birth control, the pill, in health insurance, was referring to that legislation he helped pass which was not talking about all forms of birth control but simply the pill form that is widely accepted today.

[fushiafleur]

He should have known she was talking about the "the pill" and not all forms of controling birth b/c he already VOTED on it on the legislation that wanted to take it out of health insurance. If he had read what he was voting on, he would have known this question was referring to the pill not what you're talking about.

[fushiafleur]

Trust me, he wasn't thinking what you were thinking--he just didn't know a whole lot about the subject. Either that or he did think, notice the word think, that by "birth control" the nice lady asking him meant all forms of controlling birth and not the colloquial term "birth control" referring to "the pill" or w/e you want to call it.

[fushiafleur]

Here are my reasons why you're I think you're mistaken:

1.) they're talking about the pill

2.) John McCain voted on something he didn't even know enough about.

[silvermoon577]

That ad was sipud and unfair!

[silvermoon577]

McCain 08!

[lkout71]

who pays for planned parenthood again? oh yea, they get govt. handouts and private donations. i do not like mccain, but cracrock is right on.

[Psychocktail]

This video is just about the most dumb-ass complacent piece of shit I've seen in a long time.

[smog6947]

The PPD ad does not unfairly characterize Mr. McCain, defame, nor mis-represent his views. It does show he isn't willing to give, or doesn't have an opinion on the fairness of insurance companies covering Viagra but not BC. His response suggests he'd rather not share his opinion without first assessing how it will affect his campaign. However, 51% of his voter base deserves to know what that opinion is, as that opinion is what will guide his policies if elected, not his approval ratings.

[CrackrocKid]

I disagree, the ad ambushes McCain with a question that was not ambuushed on his opponent, so that make sit unfair at the start.

2nd, beings that Viagra has nothing to do with the issue discussed, of course it came off confusing, CRK

[Jimbacsi]

Hey, no fair! this guy actually thinks!

[CrackrocKid]

Got to, if I want to try and keep up with the Ladies, CRK

[emilycate]

I was under the impression that abortion, birth control and unfairly overpriced insurance that doesn't offer coverage was the issue. McCain's stance on abortion and BC is relevant b/c he's stated he'll push to get roe v wade overturned and there's a bill being considered right now that defines BC as a form of abortion (he's for it, btw). And states have already enacted laws that make it harder to get an abortion and in some cases criminalize it. This is and will be overstepping boundaries.

[CrackrocKid]

No, you were under the wrong impression. My video, (the one we're commenting on here) is about the unfair characterization of John McCain in the Planned Parenthood Ad.

If you'd like to talk about Abortion, I'll make a video on the subject, and we can sink our teeth into it, together!

As to insurance: I feel my video & dozens of replies to everyone, sufficiently cover the topic. Still though, if a product is 'overpriced;' don't turn to the government, that'll only make it worse;>CRK

[emilycate]

In my opinion, John McCain is a neanderthal, but that's beside the real point. He is absolutely against abortion (even in the case of rape or incest) but doesn't want to support birth control either. Basically he's telling women it's wrong for them to have control over what they can and can't do to their own bodies. Don't you think that's the government overstepping it's boundaries the same as the enterprise situation?

[CrackrocKid]

Well last time I checked Abortion was legal in the USA, and in fact, it's illegal for a State to create a law saying otherwise, even if the voters of that State were to overwhelmingly vote to criminalize it. So I'm unsure how government has overstepped itself against abortion, no.

But once again, this video isn't about Abortion, Birth Control, or Insurance Companies. This video is about the unfair and deceptive characterization of John McCain in the Planned Parenthood Ad. CRK

[emilycate]

I do agree that private insurance companies should be allowed to run their business how they want, within reason. In my opinion, it is not reasonable for insurance companies to charge me over twice the amount of a same aged male per month because I'm of child bearing age but they won't cover birth control - which, BTW isn't considered experimental after this many decades of public use. Of course, I'm not under the impression you would understand my issue with this.

[CrackrocKid]

Why, not? You explained it very wel, and give me cause to reconsider.

But, this video is about John McCain being painted the neanderthal for a vote which may go a little deeper than the ad claims.

It's an issue of Government inflicting it self upon free Enterprise. As a man, I think of myself and my fellow man as collectively stronger than the government; perhaps future generations of women will see themselves the same, and work together to empower themselves, instead of a bureaucracy;>CRK

[Swaller1776]

Wow, as an active Pro-Choice activist, I can honestly say your pretty damn stupid. The point goes straight over your head.

[CrackrocKid]

Wow, as a person who recorded a clear and 'to the point' response, I can honestly say that your comment was neither. I'd ask why that was; but the answer is becoming increasingly obvious, CRK

[ebackes13]

This guy's face is effective birth control.

[DiscoverObamaDOTcom]

Private insurance companies should decide how they should run themselves and not the government.

McCain gets that...why should he have to answer for insurance companies.

Go ask the insurance companies if they don't do what you want.

McCain isn't against birth control..he is just against government intrusion into people's lives.

[TidusX15]

are you sure about what you say.

Planned Parenthood is demonstating that even a big politician such John McCain does not have a well fair amount of knowledge about Birth Control. PP is not just about contraceptives and such but they actually go out to the communities all over the world ACTUALLY trying to educate everyone out there and protect womens healths and even mens. So actually go to a meeting or event of PP and find out for yourself.

[CrackrocKid]

Bad News: I'm probably not going to swing by a Planned Parenthood Meeting. But only because, I'm not joiner.

Good News: This Video is not an attack on PP. It's a response to an attack ad made by PP.

The Poster of that Ad, had the integrity to post my Response, & I have enjoyed the debate. Especially, when the debate is about this video. CRK

[timbukktuu]

McCain was politically connected and a 'rich kid' therefore he was sold to the US as a 'hero'. My left arm would break by right arm if I reach out to vote for him. John Kerry is a hero. He spoke truth to power, when he got home. McCain failed in so many ways. Who really thinks he is a leader based on his bio? He might want to hang himself again if the going gets rough....

[CrackrocKid]

The fury you exhibit here brings me great joy. I made you feel that....hate, hate in your heart. And timbuckktuu, I did so in a soft friendly tone:). Enjoy, CRK

[timbukktuu]

john mccain tried to hang himself to get out of the viet prision camp. this does not sound heroic to me. Mccain admits that his fellow US prisoners did not crack under pressure and that he 'shamed' his father and grandfather. This is Mccain's own assessment. I'm angry at Bush, not Mccain. Mccain's time as passed and its time to turn this next election over to future generations.

[CrackrocKid]

It's true US prisoners held with McCain did not crack. That's a good thing. So, you're right, they were awesome...?

A few comments ago you wrote that the whole 'father image' was unimportant etc.. But now you quote McCain's concern for his Father and Grandfather... Perhaps you've re-prioritized your values since that comment; congratulations, who knows, maybe you'll reconsider who to vote for this November as well:) Good Luck! CRK

[Ganadores500]

I notice when ever a woman obtains a subscription of a birth control of some sort, the person who subscribes it never really explains the dangerous and deadly side effects that the birth control offers...I heard they are not obligated to do so by law...is that true?....

[CrackrocKid]

I'm not an expert on Birth Control, nor medical regulation. I assume you're talking about "The Pill" & again I don't know anything about that.

I'm not against Birth Control. But I'm wary of government regulation & I recognized that this ad from Planned Parenthood was less than accurate in describing McCain's positions.

I would think... & hope that if a pharmacutical could have a negative effect, it needs to be disclosed. But that's all I can do, CRK

[timbukktuu]

i'm just not buying the hero woarrior crap. john mccain followed blindly in his father's (and grandfather's) footsteps...right into a n viet prison camp. too bad. but it sort of follows given the mischief he was up to in vietnam. in 2000 campaign he refered to asian people as 'gooks', so i guess he is not brave enough to face his own anger...and solve it. I'm glad we had this chat. I don't respect him at all. John Mccain is a follower, that's why he not a good choice. good evening to you

[CrackrocKid]

Not surprisingly you've missed the point. McCain did display heroism while he was a POW, not soley because he went to war. I think it was heroic of him to serve, however, it was his decision to remain captive, in spite of horrible injuries and unspeakble torture, because he would not leave his men behind. If that's not heroism, I don't know what is. It would appear that you need to face your anger & learn you don't have to agree with someone to respect them. CRK

[RedRing]

You may be able to argue this point, and I don't know your position on the election, but is it really possible to defend ALL of the stupid things that McCain says?

[CrackrocKid]

LOL. I can't defend every stupid thing I say, much less a politician:).

This ad was aimed at women, by a group which claims to work for women. But, the ad was deceptive, therefore it attempted to deceive women. I was offended by that, and so I made this reponse.

So, I wasn't defending McCain, as much as I was speaking the truth. CRK

[timbukktuu]

you have bought into the idea that we are able to express our opinions because of 'men like mccain' (warriors). Consider that the great philosphers like hobbs, Locke, Voltaire (thinkers) and brave peasants (revolutionaries)have done much, much more. but there is a type of youthful male who idolizes 'daddy/warriors'. If Mccain were a leader, he wouldn't spend 20+ years in the senate. I respect Obama, representing a future US, strong but not our daddy, leading with judgement not blind tradition.

[CrackrocKid]

I praised McCain for his loyalty & sacrifice, for choosing to remain imprisoned with his men, instead of enjoying freedom without them. I never discuss his fighting prowess. I've not demanded you vote a certain way, nor put down the way it appears you will. I haven't, but you have, haven't you? In fact, your comments are more reminiscent of the type of personality your attempting to project upon me.

"We always see the worst of ourselves in others." Which peasant or philosopher said that? CRK

[mpcsu]

this guy is a complete moron. Take that crappy argument to the people, and we'll see who wins

[CrackrocKid]

Well it did go to the people, the people's representatives in Congress and it was shot down. In fact, most people don't favor government sticking it's nose into free enterprise or personal decisions.; such as what services companies offer and which companies customers prefer to patronize.

Being a moron, I don't know, but do you believe that "the people" really favor more government regulation? Please tell me what lead you to this conclusion? CRK

[mpcsu]

OK, do you really think don't want more government control of health care? Well my friend, I would suggest you get with the times. In every single poll taken more Americans want a form of national health care service VS the status quo.

You miss the point also, in the fact that you say "Where does Viagra fit in" Don't you see the obvious sexism at work...cover viagra but not women's birth control? You really don't think that women should have birth contol covered? That's why your a moron

[CrackrocKid]

I've never seen a poll which says that people want less choices and more government.

Also, even though Viagra has nothing to with this issue, you should keep in mind, that drug helps improve male sexual performance with women. The only bias in viagra is that men are the one's who ingest it.

And again, women can have birth control convered, all they have to do is choose one of many insurance companies which cover it. CRK

[philoruby]

What a slime! Can you spell B-I-R-T-H C-O-N-T-R-O-L-? Duh. Typical right wing denial smear attack on a simple point. Insurance covers Viagra. Why not birth control? As far as leading to "Experimental methods"????, of birth control: What Nazi handbook are you reading mister? Go crawl back under your rock before some innocent gal gets preggers because you don't "believe in" birth control. Heaven help us should you spawn cretins even remotely like yourself.

[CrackrocKid]

You call me a Nazi, but you're the one pinning labels on me. But I'll not respond to you in the same tone.

Instead, let me offer you some relief: Insurance companies do cover Birth Control. Not all, but alot. Insurance Companies can choose what they cover, and people can choose what Insurance companies cover them. Aren't you Pro-Choice? CRK

[EMS2002]

My insurance company covers birth control. I'm sure many companies do because it would be cheaper than covering a birth.

[CrackrocKid]

Sure it is. And alot of companies want to offer more services because that will earn them more customers.

The government imposes mandates in order to control people, not empower them. Thanks for watching and commenting on my video, CRK

[timbukktuu]

Friend, you have to understand that denouncing an unjust war is not equal to denouncing the United States. Try to think of the president as a trusted public official, not as a father figure for yourself. Let's love our country and realise that it has been 'misled' from it origins -- an immigrant population looking for religous and political freedoms -- to an agressive warrior nation, scouting the globe for natural resources to feed 'hyper-consumption'. McCain can't help us get back on track.

[CrackrocKid]

OK, I wasn't talking about the War, I was talking about McCain, and the events which both shaped & prove his character.

You don't think that McCain is the right choice for President. O.K. Thanks to men like McCain, you and I both have a right to our opinion.

My point, and McCain's opponents even agree, that McCain deserves respect. For the first time in a long time, voters will vote FOR a candidate, not AGAINST another.

It's a good thing, let's keep it that way, CRK

[timbukktuu]

just as has been correctly pointed out, mr mccain's getting shot down on a military expedition (in a dubious war) does not necessarily qualify him as 'commander and chief', so being a 'nice guy' doesn't help either. Let's face it, McCain and his generation have had their turn, and have done a great job. Now step aside and let the next generation, with more 'skin in the game' to take over. This is not demonising him, just pointing out an inconvenient truth concerning his candidacy.

[CrackrocKid]

Well, this comment does more than the last one.

McCain didn't pick the war, he just fought the battles. And you know, he was tortured, to the point he was deformed, but never renounced the USA. Even when the Viet Cong said he could be among the 1st to leave imprisonment, McCain refused to leave without his men. That really happened, that's really who McCain is. I never met a man like that, maybe my Dad, to me, but aside from him, I know I'm not., CRK

[timbukktuu]

there is also no federal law to prohibit very old clueless white men from running for office. there is no federal law to require me to vote for a very old clueless white man who is running for president. You can vote for McSame if you want to. But he's too old and too out of touch. He can't even fake that he has a clue in this video. Not even a good 'reagan-like' actor. He's probably a good guy but needs to retire after the election. good day

[CrackrocKid]

You're right, Federal Legislation to control individuals and free enterprise sucks. WHich is why McCain deserves credit for voting against it. So, you two agree. And you even admit that he's probably a good guy. So why so hard him? Just because you're gonna vote for someone else, doesn't mean you have to insult the other candidate. And it certainly doesn't give a special interest group the right to defaim his record. CRK