Operation OASIS: Reforest Arid Desert Coastlines with Treated Waste Water from Europe

[hablerz]

This is a romantic and impractical idea , the cost to transport all that sewerage would run into millions. Then you have the problem of getting it to where it could be used which would be miles inland. Another factor is that this sewerage is also polluted with chemicals. The best way to deal with sewerage is on a local level.

[AndrewKFletcher]

@hablerz It may be of interest to you that we have just learned that Thames Water UK were engaged in shipping waste water from Europe out to Kuwait. Only the war prevented them from going ahead. Also far from being costly, it is far less than 0ne twentieth of the current costs of land based water treatment in the UK. Pumping waste water inland is achieved by using the methane produced by digestion to fuel gas powered pumps. Cost is only the pump maintenance.

[fj9fl61]

@AndrewKFletcher what about utilising the water in the many disused quarries across the uk?

[AndrewKFletcher]

@fj9fl61 Thanks for your comment. The water from disused quarries could certainly be used. However, the logistics of moving water by road or by canal barge would probably be uneconomical and the amount of water we require for Operation OASIS would mean fleets of vehicles clogging up the roads and water ways. Using the water we waste and discharge into the sea is far more practical as it contains nutrients essential for plants and trees to thrive. Using waste water also removes coastal pollution.

[cruxan007]

plants like shit thats for sure!!! i've been pumping direct sewage from our septic tank on some test palms with incredible results.. i planted a royal palm from a seed and watered it with the sewage. and it's 45 foot tall and two foot diameter in 7 years..i have the same kinds of palms that i've planted like 20 years ago that are a fraction of the size of the one that gets the special sauce!!

[kazuza9]

Hi Andrew , great idea u got here, i say sewage water can be stored in large black tanks exposed to sunlight in sunny area and reduce water level by evaporation and the contaminants can be spread in farms. i hvae other ideas too to help reduce contaminated water and sewage waste.. u can email me.. norm

[GregFredome]

If we can't overcome our short-term greed in order to spare our problematic waste, so that the starving can eat and we can save our own skins, then we don't deserve to inhabit the planet. (And probably won't for much longer.)

[GregFredome]

Hi Andrew

We need to talk.

Sewage from populated areas could be supplemented with locally-grown marine algae and anaerobically digested to produce biogas to power local machinery and mineral rich fertiliser to grow the trees....

[GregFredome]

@GregFredome PS: I am 100% behind you and am trying to bring complementary approaches into the mainstream. Do you have any mainstream scientific references (eg in peer-reviewed journals) or academic figures to support the premise that coastal trees will remove thermal barriers, allowing moisture to travel inland and precipitate as rainfall?

[AndrewKFletcher]

@GregFredome HI Greg, Thanks for the comment and support.

We have a paper from the Egyptian Government showing reforestation with waste water from Egypt. In the same paper there are other forests now producing cash returns and at the same time solving the massive pollution probelms.

Maybe if we could present the theory to the met office they could confirm the inevitable?

[AndrewKFletcher]

@GregFredome Thanks for your call today. Lifted my spirits somewhat. Was great to hear Richard St Barbe Bakers name mentioned again.

There is no doubt whatsoever that the thermal barrier is preventing rain falling in arid areas. As I said on the phone, I have footage shwing clear blue sky on one side of a hot black tarmac road and a coastline shrouded in heavy mist, which remained there all day. The only place it crossed the thermals from the road was in a wooded area close to the coast.

[ProgressiveMS]

Andrew, I think you are a modern Benjamin Franklin. If everyone had as much sense, creativity, practicality and kindness as you, this would be a beautiful world.

[AndrewKFletcher]

Thank you for your kind comment.

Let us see if change is not too late.

Andrew

[AndrewKFletcher]

Picked ripened strawberries yesterday from outside in the garden

Unusually warm autumn and winter so far.

[AndrewKFletcher]

There will be a problem with smell that will only last for a short period. Pathogens are destroyed by the sunlight and you get lots of sunlight in Spain. On UK tv we have seen sewage discharged into ravines from housing complexes that have inadequate sewage systems and wildlife abounds in these areas, that soon become enriched with the humanure fertilizer. Problems can arise where there is run off into local streams that feed into rivers.

[AndrewKFletcher]

If this is not a problem then you will be observing some quite impressive plant and tree growth in a very short time, but will probably need more waste water than you produce eventually.

In Africa. Humanure grown bags have been used to reduce the amount of water loss. These consist of plastic bags with a cut in the middle rather than at an end. Filled with dry sandy soil and human solid and urine waste diluted with some water, plants and trees grow at a phenomenal rate.

[AndrewKFletcher]

Huge claim Jon Hope you are correct. Generally we see evidence of warmer winters than before. Trees and flowers in leaf and blooming when they should be baron and dormant.

[JonThm]

The world started cooling in 2005. Now we ahve got Global Cooling!

[AndrewKFletcher]

Thanks for the comment. One super tanker carrying 350,000 cubic metres of sewage and wastewater would provide anaerobic treatment in transit and therefore reduce local sewage charges considerably within the participating area. The sand grains are lacking organic material to bind them together and stabilize the aggregate into fertile soil

[AndrewKFletcher]

capable of soaking up and holding onto any additional water either applied or from moisture and rainfall, which will be stimulated by the removal of the thermal barrier currently rising from the arid coastlines that prevents moisture from crossing from the ocean onto the land and falling as rain

[THINKNOW8]

...SOUNDS INTERESTING...

[Only1moomin]

Great Idea, hope someone listens