@the934x4 Maybe he didn't want to go fast... ? I don't know. Look. My point is, you probably dion't have a car that's faster than a Ferrari. Even if you do, big whoop. I could make a bin lorry go faster than a Ferrari, but it'd still be shit.
@topgearulz Well, unfortunately, I don't have the cash for that sort of project right now, but if you'd like to give me couple of million, I'll get right to it.
@the934x4 If the Ferrari driver didn't accelerate, of course you're going to go faster. I can go faster then a Veyron, on my pushbike, if he's doing 20mph, and I'm doing 25mph, I'm faster than a Bugatti, until he puts his foot down.
@TheWierdFish Sounds like I'm making a trip to england. And your comments show your lack of knowledge about cars. I've been in a redlining 4 banger. They sound like a weedeater. At all rpms. Ferrari's are a monotonous whiny sound. Big block V8s are burly, gurgling, thumping, loping torque boxes
@the934x4 Ok, lets take a proper all american, V8. The one in the new Chevrolet Corvette ZR1. It sounds, actually pretty nice at idle. Then you hit the throttle. Oh dear. It clatters up to 2000 rpm, and then from there to the redline, it's just noise, the same sound all the way through, just louder. Boring. A well sorted little 4 pot, like the venerable BL 'A' series, is an eager, cheerful parpy little engine. A real Fezza, given its head, is far from whiny, you're obviously deaf.
i just learned something interesting about the original viper... the 6 speed transmission used in the camaros and firebirds of the 90's is the exact 6spd that was solely developed for the viper in 1989...interesting fact for all of you reading this.
@MALDASF I, am a man. I have driven all sorts of beasts in my time, F40s, Lambos, Koeniggsegs, McLarens. The scariest thing I've ever driven, was a TVR Cerbera. This one had been modified to Speed 12 spec, but hadn't stopped there. It had over 1200bhp and I hit 260 in it before I pussied out and backed off. I tell you though, if you were careful with the power, and left the throttle well alone round corners, it drove sweet as a nut. The Viper? Not so much, and it has half the horsepower
Yeah I'd take very good care of it if I bought one but the problem with buying a used viper is that most previous owners drove them to death and encountered problems and now selling them. I'm trying to find one some old man owned lol
@cryteeek what do you expect when you put a 8 liter engine, with r-compound tires big enough for a big-rig, and a wing from a 747? With those elements there isnt much engineering that needs to go into, hence why the viper garbage
@96shox The Viper is heavier, less powerful and less grippy than the Gumpert Apollo S, and is only 0.6 seconds slower around the Nurburgring. In other words, the Gumpert is only 0.04 seconds per mile faster despite having 100 more hp, weighing 900 lbs less and having nearly twice as much downforce. The Viper is therefore one of the greatest vehicles every built, especially since it costs 5 times less than the Gumpert.
@marshknute But, round a trck that you CAN'T take flat out, the Gumpert would easily win. Therefore, the ACR is a fairly good machine for gouing round the Nurburgring, but pretty useless everywhere else.
I GUARANTEE that the viper with the hennessey conversion would hit 250. You act as if the veyron is the only vehicle to hit 250 on planet earth. As for it being stable at 250, yes, it would be a bit jumpier at that speed in opposition to the veyrons comfort. But, you aren't going to drive the veyron 250 mph every day, so whats the point of spending the extra 1,000,000 bucks to go that fast when, and if, you do, it wouldn't be for sustained periods of time?
@TrevFredMotors I'm sure it can, as can the SSC Ulitmate Aero (stupid name) But. I've driven a Veyron, I've driven an SSC, and I've driven a Viper (ACR, not Hennesey) and I can safely say, that buy a mile, the Veyron is the more comfortable, whether it be on long or or journeys. Also, the Veyron is as easy to drive as a Fiesta. And that's the point. The Veyron is, first and foremost, a GT car. The fact that it's the fastest production car on the planet is just icing on the cake.
@TheWierdFish I'm not really saying that a supercar needs to be difficult to drive to be a supercar, but, I do believe that Bugatti could have saved an easy 1/2 million on costs by creating a more basic vehicle. The fact is that the veyron is just an example of excess for no apparent reason. The viper was very basic and was difficult to drive, but that was the point. It was a car that made you feel alive. Both great cars, but definitely in 2 seperate classes.
@TrevFredMotors But then it wouldn't be a Veyron. It's whole raison de etre is to be gloriously, wonderfully, excessively, good in every way. It's a luxury car, that goes fast, not just a fast car. The Viper made me feel good dor approximately 60 minutes, during the time I tested it. I had it for five days. 1 out of 120 hours is pretty poor on the funometer scale. The other 15 or so hours I drove it, were boring, as I couldn't actually USE the power, and the handling was hopeless
@TheWierdFish Hmmm, I'm not sure I believe the "I've driven an SSC, Veyron" comment. Anyone can say that. Unless you went with millions of pounds to Dubai, or you work for the motoring press or work on automotive development in the US. SSC is only availible in the US , Dubai and Russia. SSC won't even let a majority of Media shows drive their cars because of limited number produced and even the dealerships you have to make an appointment....with a damn good reason.
@v8cool1 It's not how much cash *I* have, rather how much cash the people I know, have. Doing a favour for a guy at your local Porsche dealer, then using that to get another guy moved up the waiting list, then using that and so on, building up favours, can get you a lot of stuff. Plus, I write for a magazine, (no I'm not going to tell you which one, I'm not an idiot) so I get to try quite a few cars, and I get to go on all sorts of interesting days out. So yeah, I know a guy has an SSC.
@TheWierdFish P.S, you like Jags.what do you think of topgear smashing up that new Jag in their show? I thought it was abit out of line. It must of been an ex drug dealers car or something, he hit it pretty bad.
@v8cool1 I thought it was a bit of a laugh. I don't like the XF as much as previous Jags, it's gone too far into the natty, techy side of luxury cars. But, it's still better than 90% of its rivals, and it's better looking, and its V8 is one of the few V8s that doesn't sound the same all the way through the rev band. It was a brand new car, supplied to the film company, which, usually, they'd sell back to Jaguar.
@v8cool1 Actually, the usual way is that the manufacturer repairs the (usually) minor panel damage, the sells the car on as pre owned, and actually makes a little profit, the film company gets a cheap car to play with, and a happy customer gets an almost perfect, 300 mile car, for the same price as a second hand one, and bragging rights that his exact car was in such and such. Everyone wins. Unless, the car is a total wreck, but then hey, you still want to see gritty car chases right?
@BravestToaster I'm sorry, Mr Toaster, the day an American car gets the better of me, is the day I eat my hat, do a jig nude in Trafalgar Square, then defecate on the Queen. It's not going to happen, ever.
I don't plan on burning tires like crazy but yeah I heard the ABS is a little issue. I wonder if I could put abs on it? But if tires is all I have to worry about I'm in. The maintenance on my M3 was stupid ridiculous. A Ferrari has many problems as well and a corvette isn't an option because too many people have one so I lost interest
@therealkyarush Bimmer maintainance is only rediculous if you make it so. I have a mate who's a proper Bee Emm nut. His E36 M3, widely regarded as BMWs only real flop as far as quality is concerned, is cheaper for him to maintain than my mums modern Vauxhall Corsa, which is actually a very reliable little car.
For taking a pure beating they're not as tough as vetts but they can take one. I go through 5-7 sets of tires per year and haven't had many problems. No anti lock breaks is a major downfall though
@stevethebeagle My Landy has no ABS, neither of my three Jags has ABS. I am not dead, and I drive like a total loon. ABS is only for those who can't be bothered to learn how to brake properly. You can actually stop SOONER without the ABS system. 99.999% of the time, they cut in too early, leaving more stopping power, unused. Learn to drive, then your cars will be cheaper.
I'm looking into buying a 1997 viper but I know nothing of reliability on this car. Anyone know the maintenance and reliability? I just sold my 08 M3 so anything is better then that expensive thing lol thanks for any info
@therealkyarush I believe that is before the srt viper, so if that is an older v10, its more than likely the truck engine. Very reliable when taken care of.
One thing I'll admit, the Veyron and any porsche is a beautiful and kickass vehicle. And the Reventon has a pretty neat panel. Otherwise, euro cars<muscle cars.
@TheWierdFish *Face Palm* Sled-as in snowmobile-ya idiot. And no, V12s are just a solid drone when redlined because the amount of cylinders makes it smooth and the individual notes cancelled out by the next exhaust stroked piston. I'd take the "thump, thump, rooOOAR" of my V8 over a droning 12 any day, punk.-.-
@the934x4 Most V8s are just white noise over 4000rpm. A V12, by sheer number of clinders is a much more layered sound. A crisp, knife edge upper range, as each cylinder opens up, but with smooth, melow undertones. V12s also have a natural internal balance, as do straight sixes, which are equally beautiful. V8s aren't all bad, one of my favorite engines of all time is the Ferrari F40 V8. 3 litres of turbo nutjobbery, and one of the most savage howls on the road.
@TheWierdFish It was I70 outside Salina, KS. I remember hearing what I believed to be a Civic or the like coming up behind me. Well, it was a fire red Ferrari, we pulled beside eachother at 70, I dropped into third and from then on out all I heard was 528 CIs of raw hp hitting the 6500 rpm redline up to 190, by which time the Ferrari was about 16 car lengths behind.
@the934x4 See, you're getting confused. A redlining 4 pot wil have a similar sound to a V8 at half the rpms, simple maths tells you that to be true, but, a lot of Civics and such have their exhausts swapped for tuned items that increase and modify the sound, making them sound like performance vehicles. It's all fakery. If the Ferrari driver didn't choose to follow you, then he obviously would be slower. Also, older Ferraris, are not going to be as fast as modern cars.
The V12s in your cars sound like sled motors not car motors. In essence, they sound like shit. I raced what I think was a late 80s testarossa about a year ago just before I put the Charger back in the shop for some new goodies
@the934x4 Last time I checked, sledges don't have engines...... If you've actually heard a proper V12 at full chat, you wouldn't say that. A red-lining V12 is a full orchestral tribute to all that's good and made of metal, the simple act of 12 pistons, making one power stroke, every other revolution, 7 or 8 thousand times per minute, is joy in engine form. Try being so poetic about V8s, yeha, punk.
@v8cool1 well they couldve changed the engine to produce more power and less torc (however spelled in English). But not having money for a more expensive car and then have money for massive amounts of fuel is weird. Especialy since most Americans are complaining about the petrol price which isnt high in the US at all. Its a supercar, not a mainstream one so..affordable? Bad choice
@EliteGhost001 Chrysler don't put petrol in there cars for you. I was talking about Chrysler not having much money to develop another engine, not people buying it.
When I said a cheaper way to get close too 200mph I mean't cheaper for the manufacturer.
@TheWierdFish And the best part, Dodge built the 69 Daytona, which in stock form with a Hemi and 4spd could tickle 200mph, and the #88 Daytona, with a 4 spd, race spec Hemi( high rise intake, aluminum heads, single carb) hit 243mph at the Chelsey proving grounds, piloted by Charlie Glotzbach. That's the same speed as your V12, variable valve timing, fuel injected, 6spd sequential auto Ferrari Enzo does for a cost of probably 20k at most, with 4 less cylinders and basic tech. It's all rubbish
@the934x4 I dont have an Enzo, I would never have an Enzo. Ferrari went massively down hill when old Enzo kicked it, just after doing the F40. Shame. The Daytona was a massive, somewhat ugly, racing car, that was somehow road legal. In 1955 Jaguar were doing 180-90 at LeMans with a 3.4 litre straight six, that's less cylinders again and far less capacity, 14 years previously. And, the British, Sunbeam Mystery did 200mph in 1927. 42 years before Dodge.
@v8cool1 But it was 85 years ago, even the aircraft of the day could barely scrape 200mph. My point is, going 200mph is easy. Doing it with any sense of comfort, dignity, safety and reliability, is not.
@TheWierdFish Beleive it or not, the experts tested it. Secondly, you are the biggest supremist around. In my opinion and many others, both the viper V10 and the Vette ZR1, along with most other American V8s are way better sounding than a whiny ass Ferrari. I prefer the sound of cylinders the size of 5 gallon buckets thumping away through open headers and magnaflows over a Ferrari that sounds like your girlfriend in bed.
@the934x4 "both the viper V10 and the Vette ZR1, along with most other American V8s are way better sounding than a whiny ass Ferrari." The american V8 sound is legendary, and viper was still continuing to sell strong even when the rest of chrysler range was suffering. As for the vette. I love it. I spoke to a guy at a car show with one. He said it's one of the best cars he's owned, and he owned an Aston Martin/Jag franchise.
@v8cool1 The American V8 sound is classic, yes. That doesn't make it good. If you just stop and look at a Corvette lapping a track, it sounds diiferent than it looks, it looks relatively sporty, sounds like a lorry.
@TheWierdFish You could say the same about a euro super car. V12, looks sporty, sounds too high pitched, more like a sportsbike. Not the sound you'd expect from 12 cylinders. I remember a ferrari accelerating after doing a u-turn on our road. My wife said it sounded like a boyracer Honda
@v8cool1 The sound is a direct result of the cylinder count/ revolutions. More revs, less cylinders = roughly the same noise. If a 4 cly bike revs to 12,000, it's the same as a V12 at 4000, which is where you'll hear V12s mostly. It's supposed to sound crazy and it does. Just like a Lambo is crazy. Most Ferraris, 308s, 360s, 430s, 458s are in fact V8s They don't sound like hondas, hondas are modified to sound like Ferraris.
@the934x4 Have you ever heard an F40 at full chat? Or a 250 TR at Le Mans? The F40s V8 is probably the best sounding V8 of all time. Your average yank V8, like the one in the ZR1 is just a noise. You get more tuneful sounds from a signal generator. (Widely regarded as the most annoying piece of equipment ever) I'm hardly a supremist, I'll gladly admit that the Nissan GT-R is an impressive bit of kit, and the Boeing 747 (American) has done more for the world than it's credited for.
@TheWierdFish A V10 that gets better fuel mileage than a GTR and a murcielago, and you with your 12 cylinder pos boat putting in down bud. Your ass must be jealous of all the shit coming out of your mouth.
@the934x4 I did not understand the last part. Something about a boat and a flower maybe? Speak English man! I don't believe for 1 second that an 8.3 litre V10 is more economic than a 3.8 litre V6. The Lambo is just so epic, it doesn't matter. Plus, while the Viper sounds like it's moaning, the Lambo V12 howls with joy, Drive a Murcie, Drive a Viper, then talk. Actually, drive the Viper first, the Lambo will ruin it for you.
@TheWierdFish ah V10... Well I'd consider this a prime example of American insufficiant engines. I just dont get what they were thinking when they were done with it. Then again, Im a James may kinda person. I like a fast car.. But just because it can be nice on the highway, not brealy to drive it fast. Speed limits anyway. But germany is only 3 km away...hmmm..
@EliteGhost001 Don't forget, the viper V10 was a casting of the already exsisting Ram V10 which was about heavy duty, massive torque, pulling capabilities, rather than supercar H/P. They weren't exactly rich at the time to develop a high tech engine. People seem to think that everyone has Ferrari heritage and engineers and budget at hand. No. Dodge make affordable cars, trucks and people carriers. Using the exsisting V10 was just a cheaper way of getting near 200mph.
@v8cool1 Yeah, that's fine, but I could give it an extra 100bhp with the tools in my workshop and some offcuts of piping. And I'm a relative noob when it comes to engine design. If I'm spending £100,000 on anything, I want to know someone's actually thought aboout what they are doing. V10 Ram? Stupid idea if ever there was one.
So, it has an 8.3L V8 good for a massive 510 bhp. The Ferrari has 4.5L and produces 560 bhp and goed from 0-60 faster. What have they done to the vipers engine?
@v8cool1 Amen brother, now if we could only ween this retards off the Jeremy Clarkson brand Kool Aid theyre drinking and get them to accept that your car doesn't need a coffeemachine/Bottleopener/winecabinet/hairdryer encased in $10k of Colombian cherry to be fast lol
@TheWierdFish Ya, ugly as hell if you ask me. Just ordinary sedan styling of the 60s-70s. Not sporty nor aggressive looking. And fast? A 2001 Pontiac Bonneville SLE can bury the peg at 140, with 6 cylinders. My Charger has broken the 200 mark before the turbos. Try again
@the934x4 150, in a leather ensconced walnut panelled luxury saloon, from 1972. 40 years old. And it's huge, and it'll accellerate without any discernable effort, from any speed, to any speed, in any gear. It's not sporty, or agressive, because it isn't a sporty or agressive car. It's sleek and dignified, it wafts along, slipping past inferior automobiles with a snort of V12 derision. It's a car to cruise in, but it's equally as rewarding at its limits. Ordinary? Ha, philestine.
@TheWierdFish I thought we were talking fast, not luxurious. I don't take the time at 100+mph to fondle the woodwork. And secondly, why doesn't it count. My car was $30k start to finish, how much was yours??? And jags are the ugliest cars in existence imo
@the934x4 Have you ever seen an XJ12? Or an E type? You would not say they were ugly in any way. The XJ12 is fast, she does 150mph and corners better than a lot of modern cars. Yes, when I got it the electrics were dodgy, but it had been in a barn for ten years and most of it had been eaten by mice, you cant fault it for that. That Jag cost me £960 to buy, £1500 for engine and suspension work (seals and bushes and such) then £40 for an MOT and £0 for tax as it's pre 1973. £2,500 total.
@TheWierdFish Admittedly, £2,500 didn't cover the re-spray, or my time welding the front valance, or the various bits I've picked up off scrap cars and Autojumbles, or the electronic ignition (Which was bought off a mate for £50) but still, less than £3,000 for a 150mph, V12, 5 seater car with full leather interior, walnut dash, shagpile carpets, everything. Jags have always traditionally been, fast, good looking, luxurious and, above all, a bargain.
@the934x4 "I don't take the time at 100+mph to fondle the woodwork"
LOL, I have a similar view on people who criticise the interior plastics on cars like the Vette and criticise it's simplistic engine. Doing 205mph in the vette you're not gonna think "If only it had £300k worth of engineering" as it still performs the same as a more highly engineered car and you'll be having to much fun to care, or you won't be stroking the trim.
@v8cool1 But, that's not the point of a supercar! A supercar is all about the flair, the sheer pantomime of being truly bonkers, the pricetag, the looks, the speed, the handling and yes, the interior, all add up to be more than the sum of their parts. A supercar is a big, wheeled happy machine. A Murcielago, makes me smile and think 'Lucky fuck' A Corvette just elicits a slight frown and a 'twat'. If you want a performance car, buy an Ariel Atom or a Radical.
@TheWierdFish "A Corvette just elicits a slight frown and a 'twat'"
Thats abit uneductated on your part I think then. Do you know the person who owns the vette? He could be the doctotr that saves your liffe that owns it for all you know. I know loads of vette owners over the years, and 99% of them are decent people.
I used to get alot of nice comments and people talking to me when we owned a Vette.
@v8cool1 It doesn't matter. Do you think all Rolls Royce owners are as refined as the cars? Not, alot are rich twats. It doesn't matter who you are, people judge you by your car. I'm 28 and people are continally stunned when I step out of my XJ12 in jeans and a t-shirt. Equally so when I arrive in my Series III Landy. When I see a ZR1 or a Z06 I see someone who has no imagination further than, 'Corvette, they're sort of cool.' Like modern Ferrari owners, you know it's for the badge.
@TheWierdFish "It doesn't matter who you are, people judge you by your car."
True, doesn't mean you're right though.
"I see someone who has no imagination further than, 'Corvette, they're sort of cool."
OK, so let me tell you what Vette owners think, based on the people I know . They're fans of the classics, but want mod cons and handling of a new car. So they get the new vette, so they can own a classic legend with modern pros.
@v8cool1 So they are buying a name, nothing more. I cannot stand that. I love Lamborghini. I would have a Murcielago because it's fantastic. I would not have the new Aventador because it is not. I love the old Lancias, the Fulvia, Stratos, 037, Delta integrale. But not the new Ypsilon because it's fucking hideous. You should buy a car for its merits, not the merits of the previous model. The ZR1 is no more classic than a Ford Mondeo.
@TheWierdFish The ZR1 has been a classic for decades, and this new one will vbe a classic as it's already gone down in history as the fastest mass produced GM car yet. So that alone will make it a classic. No. They're not buying it just for the name. They buy it for it's heritage and sound. The basic shape of the vette hasn't changed since about 67. People buy a car for what ever reason they like. If it doesn't hurt you then so what?
@v8cool1 But it does hurt, because they are drinking precious petrol, petrol I could put in my Jag, which is far more deserving of a good drink. Heratige that has been for years, shit. A sound that is at best, dull and at worst damned annoying! Fastest mass produced GM car? Not exactly a grand title. The basic shape of the Corvette has been boring and awful since about the 70s. I bought a C5, new, to see what all the fuss was about. It broke, lots, was shit, and I hated it.
@v8cool1 It is, scientifically, a better car than a Corvette. It's more than fast enough, considering the legal limit is 70mph. It's more comfortable, quieter inside, and has everything essential to driving comfort (i.e. a stereo and a heater/cooler) and, with proper maintainence (oil change at the correct time,coolant top ups when neccessary) it's every bit as reliable as any other car on the road. I'm not the next Clarkson, I just have a chunk more experience than Joe Bloggs on YTube.
," I just have a chunk more experience than Joe Bloggs on YTube."
So do I. I've grown up with classic British, German and american cars. The Motortrade has been in my family for decades. My dad was a transmission mechanic, my uncle owned dealerships, my brothers in the mototrade, and I started at 14 and we've all owned classic british and american cars, and modern cars too....but I'm still open minded and understanding, even with supposed bad cars.
@TheWierdFish Jag/ Corvette. Two totally different cars for two different markets. Apples and oranges comparison. Your Jag would make a crap car for someone wanting an Enzo speed two seater sports car.
@TheWierdFish "So they are buying a name, nothing more. I cannot stand that. I love Lamborghini. I would have a Murcielago"
So you hate a car like the Corvette because you think people buy it just for it's name. Yet you think the Murcielago is amazing. How do you know that a majority of Murci owners haven't just bought one for the name? Would you hate that if they had?
@TheWierdFish "A supercar is all about the flair, the sheer pantomime of being truly bonkers, the pricetag, the looks, the speed, the handling and yes, the interior,"
The flair, pantomime, bonkers, looks and speed are the things that people love about the vette and Viper. Even clarkson said he'd still take the Vette over the R8 Audi because of it's savagery. He's hardly 'uneducated'. He's driven more cars than any of us.
@v8cool1 The Corvette is anything but, it's really just a very fast sports car, it even has a useable boot, that's not flair, that's practicality. The only thing on it remotely pantomime is the silly plastic bit in the bonnet of the ZR1 which is horrid, tacky and gives you a great view of an equally horrid bit of plastic with supercharged written all over it. People are always raving how cheap it is and it looks fat and lumpy. Clarkson, while right about much, is wrong here.
@TheWierdFish" Clarkson, while right about much, is wrong here."
How convieniant that the one thing he's wrong with is with a car you don't like. Maybe getting you're own opinion and taste mixed with fact?
Your really grasping at something .The Plastic with supercharger written on it? That plastic is actually metal. And the plastic is the collar bit that goes round the edge. So what, it has a part plastic cover under the bonnet?...as do most cars!
@v8cool1 It's still a tacky, unneccessary feature, no other front engined car, in the world, feels the need to have a window in the bonnet. The ZR1 is, factually, far too soft and ugly to be a car that I could consider driving again, let alone paying actual money to blight my driveway with. Of course it's convenient that Clarkson is wrong! It'd be pretty in convenient if he were not, wouldn't it?
@TheWierdFish So why is having a window in the bonnet at the front tacky, yet a window in the back not tacky. It's the same thing, a window in a cover displaying the engine. It seems to me like you're trying to find as many things as possible to bash it.
I like the fact they've tried to think of something different. Variety is the spice of life as they say. If everything looked the same and no-one thought of anything new, the world be a boring place.
@v8cool1 In a Lambo or a Ferrari, it's fine, because the engine is invatiably, a fantastic piece of engineering and very good to look at. Plus, a Lambo is loony enough to pull it off. On the 'Vette, the engine is not fantastic, or good to look at. it's cack. And instead of a cack engine, all we see is a silly panel with words on, that adds nothing to the car what so ever, while simultaneously making it worse.
@TheWierdFish" far too soft and ugly to be a car that I could consider driving again,"
Well, it's all opinon at the end of the day. The vettes been a huge seller since 1953. It continues to be. Clarkson generally doesn't have a good word to say about US cars, but he has good things to say about the vettes aggressive rawness which to me makes his review sound more genuine, and the fact it won a topgear car of the year award says people love it.
@v8cool1 The C1 was crap, the C2 and C3 were crap, but looked good enough to make up for it (Yes, I like the C2 and C3) The ZR1 has too much squat under power, dive under braking and roll in the corners for a car that goes as fast as it does. To top it all though, it's not even comfortable to match, it's like having the discomfort of a hard ride, but none of the advantages! People like the brand kudos of a Corvette, if they'd actually driven the damn thing, the result would be different
So does the veyron apparently. Usable is debatable. If you wanna buy nothing thicker than sketchbook then yes it is usable. If you want to be a 30inch plasma and stand and take it home, then no.
@v8cool1 Use able as in, you can put actual things like shopping or some bags in it without dismantling half the car, opening wierd boxes hidden in the engine bay or having to blend the items and pour them into the space.
I now properly understand the Viper. I have driven a Merc' SLS. It's basically the same concept, much power, RWD, good looks. Except AMG seem to do it a bit better... In every way. It even handles, sort of. Very, very fun car. Now looking back, my time in the Viper seems better than I recall. I still don't like it as much as... well, alot of cars, but now, I at least understand the attraction, even though the SLS is far better, and has gull wing doors, which automatically make a car epic.
@v8cool1 I still don't like it. I just understand why the uneducated do. If you want a Viper, buy an SLS, it's the same, but better and with gull wing doors.
What do you class as uneducated? Do you mean people that have never driven a half a million pound supercar? So what about the people that have driven and owned expensive supercars, but still have a viper because they like it's drama.
Ahh yes Gullwing doors. Can't store them in your garage unless you have a high ceiling, and to be honest...a door is a door. It's the last I'd look at.
@v8cool1 Those who are un-educated in the existence of superior vehicles. If your garage ceiling is less than 7' high then yes, gullwings are a problem, but so is head room for people and that's just a crap garage.
@TheSilverado06 Bingo! Compare the price of an ACR to it's closest competitors. Then see euro cars in it's price range($110k USD) and see which is superior
@the934x4 you don't even have to limit the Viper to European cars in its price range. The Viper beats EVERY European production car at the track, even those that cost literally 10x as much. and looks better than most of them, too.
@kalbahamut Philistines. Just because a car is fast round a race track, doesn't make it a good car. A quality build, balanced handling and good damping make a car good to drive. I like the Viper for trying, and it's a good looking thing. But, no sane person should ever buy one.
The american public was influenced to trade cars every few years until 1980s. I don't see many competitive european cars in the 20K-30K price range, and they have benefited from the lease fashion that allows to drive something can't be afforded. I own a BMW 2002 530, it has 35K miles and you don't want to know how many things have broke down. Leasing an expensive european is attractive, because it is trade in before starts falling apart.
@TheWierdFish ...Fiberglass fenders and hood, no rear seat. Comp Eng. four link rear suspension, and many more things I can't put my finger on at the moment. Only around $30k USD in it (;
@TheWierdFish Not unmodified, what you got. 69 Charger, 440 punched to 528 CID, Currently getting two T3T4 hairdryers slapped on. Performer RPM cam,(pending upgrade) Custom crossram intake with two 1,050 CFM Dominators, backed through an AP reenforced Tremec T56 Six speed back through a Dana 60 running 3.65 cogs.
@the934x4 Heavily modified cars are irrelevant, they are then basically modern cars with an old shell. And my Jag has 5 seats, a decent boot, leather, walnut dash...the full luxury treatment.
@kalbahamut We make Lotuses, Minis, Caterhams, Nobles, Radicals, Morgans... I've probably left some out, but the point is made. I haven't eaten a crumpet since 1998, it only rained a little bit this morning, and Muslims are generally perfectly fine people. Even 1960s British cars are better than the vast majority of American cars today.
@TheWierdFish I must have really pissed you off, I was getting messages all day saying that you had responded on this video, but what happened, did you delete some of your other comments? Were they so boneheaded that they offended even yourself? Say whatever you want dude, ALL you have is words, the facts and numbers back up what I've said. and British car companies are almost all owned by foreigners. They're not even British companies anymore. Enjoy your crumpet.
@CemetaryGatesML The Veyron has an 8 litre W16. The 16.4 in its name refers to 16 cylinders and 4 turbos. The Veyron engine is also quite unstressed considering its output. Hence why it was easy to take it to 1200bhp for the SS version.
@mrlegkick666 The McLaren factory is here, as is the Mini plant. ProDrive (creators of awesome rally cars) are here. Morgan, Caterham, Noble, Radical. The list is actually huge for such a small country.
@phantom5573 So that's $66.66 per horsepower I got about 40bhp more from my V8 Landie by re-routing the intake and exhaust and giving it a quick clean. Cost me £5 for the piping, a couple of quid for a new head gasket (while I had it in bits I thought, why not!) and about 3 hours in the garage. So that's about a tenner in all, including some sealing goo, for 40 bhp. That's 25p per horsepower. And American cars are cheap and easy to tune? Ha!
@kickinbackinOC The Radical SR8 was far faster, about 30 seconds if I recall correctly. And the Radical is built in a shed in deepest England. By men who drink tea and are generally awesome.
@TheWierdFish what are you talking about "when you turn the computers off"? If you turned them all off, the car wouldn't move at all! But I was talking about launch control, stability control etc..
@Losi52 I'm English and I perfectly understand American muscle. They are big, stupid cars for looning along in and pulling doughnuts. They are, essentially, great big toys, designed to put a smile on your face. You can hate the car, but you'll love the feeling. But, not all the time. Sometimes you want to drive round corners, to get to places that aren't in a direct line, then you start to hate the car, because it feels uncomfortable, out of place. I stick to Jags, every car you need.
@TheAnToOo9 Err, yeah, the manifolds can glow yellow at high revs on powerful engines. Even the very end of a 1.4 Vauhall Astras exhaust can melt through plastic cable ties. (The damn thing fell off at 75 on the motorway, made a hell of a noise!)
@TheWatzitooya It is, it's actually quite nice, not quite as fast as its rivals but still nice to look at, drive and listen to. I even like the idiotic door/roof combo.
@disengagejam If TG don't run a car, it's usually down to the owner, manufacturer or insurance companies. Look how long it took them to get the Veyron!
Also, you've obviously never driven a Viper, or, you are like this guy on Top Gear who is not experienced enough to know how to handle a powerful FR drive real sports car, if you are going to argue that Vipers handle poorly. Mine handles great, and it's not even an ACR. Any car mag editor or driver worth anything will tell you the later gen Viper ACRs are among the best handling production cars ever made.
@kalbahamut I assume you're replying to moi, if not, tough shit. I have driven Vipers, I had a stint in a 1st gen and an ACR. They are, lumpy, imprecise and can never qiute figure if they want to kill me forwards, bacwards, sideways or all three at once. I dont' mind cars that try to kill me, it's a challenge, I just wish that it would make up its damned mind. If you think it's the best, think again, I could list off 20 cars better than a Viper, that I have driven.
@kalbahamut How? If I was the worlds worst driver, a better car would still be better. As it happens, I see myself as a fairly good driver. I'm not too shabby on the track, even done a bit of drifting with a bit of success. And I'm famous for my doughnuts and powerlslides. Well, famous amongst my friends...
Expensive european cars have poor reliability. In the 1960s we rode Impalas and Mustangs by choice, europeans had Beetles if were commons and Mercedes if nobles. The battle now will be won by those who make affordable quality....not unreachable performance.
@TheSilverado06 Porsche have a near impeccable reliability record, Jaguars are now very good. BMW have a decent record, and even Fiat are pretty good nowadays. American cars are affordable, but not quality, the exception being european market Fords, which are fairly decent. Really, we didn't all drive Beetles or Mercs, the 60s was rife with nippy little cheap saloons and coupes, alot of which are still going today. How often do you see just a normal, 1960s American family car?
@TheWierdFish Honestly, I'd really like to to come to the states and meet up for a street race. Race what you bring. I'll show you what a 40year old American piece of trash will do in the real world and not some technical track (:
@the934x4 Unmodified? I'll bring my XJ. Running basically stock, only with modern tyres, fuel, coolant, oils and a period, Jaguar manual gear box and electronic-point ignition (You can't get the original fluids and tyres anymore, I hate slushboxes and the ignition is for economies sake [20mpg!]) I've pushed 150 in it, and it's definitely got a bit more to give. 1972, 5.3l V12, silky smooth, never skipped a beat. Fast and surprisingly agile.
@the934x4 According to comments, ON THIS VIDEO THAT ARE PRAISING THE VIPER the two fastest are the Radical SR8 and a performance derivative thereof, the SR8x or something.
@TheWierdFish When I punched it, he punched it, he was running with my mirror to 90mph then I started walking away...
the934x4 3 days ago
@the934x4 Maybe he didn't want to go fast... ? I don't know. Look. My point is, you probably dion't have a car that's faster than a Ferrari. Even if you do, big whoop. I could make a bin lorry go faster than a Ferrari, but it'd still be shit.
TheWierdFish 2 days ago
@TheWierdFish love to see you try!
topgearulz 2 days ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@topgearulz Well, unfortunately, I don't have the cash for that sort of project right now, but if you'd like to give me couple of million, I'll get right to it.
TheWierdFish 1 day ago
@TheWierdFish That older Ferrai was still 20 years newer than my 69....
the934x4 1 week ago
@the934x4 Dude, you need to hit the 'reply' button. Your comments are all over the shop.
TheWierdFish 3 days ago
@the934x4 If the Ferrari driver didn't accelerate, of course you're going to go faster. I can go faster then a Veyron, on my pushbike, if he's doing 20mph, and I'm doing 25mph, I'm faster than a Bugatti, until he puts his foot down.
TheWierdFish 3 days ago
@TheWierdFish Sounds like I'm making a trip to england. And your comments show your lack of knowledge about cars. I've been in a redlining 4 banger. They sound like a weedeater. At all rpms. Ferrari's are a monotonous whiny sound. Big block V8s are burly, gurgling, thumping, loping torque boxes
the934x4 1 week ago
@the934x4 Ok, lets take a proper all american, V8. The one in the new Chevrolet Corvette ZR1. It sounds, actually pretty nice at idle. Then you hit the throttle. Oh dear. It clatters up to 2000 rpm, and then from there to the redline, it's just noise, the same sound all the way through, just louder. Boring. A well sorted little 4 pot, like the venerable BL 'A' series, is an eager, cheerful parpy little engine. A real Fezza, given its head, is far from whiny, you're obviously deaf.
TheWierdFish 3 days ago
Not very safe? Yeah i flipped mine. Very unforgiving but when i should have died, i only had a couple of scrapes thanks to the roll cage! =]
JDLongboarderz 1 week ago
Meh, gaudy and inelegant...in the tawdry spirit of tribal tattoos, breast implants, and cheap beer. Tremendous bang for buck, but no thank you.
With rare exception American designs haven't been very exciting since the 60's...no muscularity or flare for the dramatic.
lowenklee 2 weeks ago
@lowenklee I doubt you can even afford a GT-R
TitanSubZero15 2 weeks ago
@TitanSubZero15
Phew, that's a relief.
More tawdry car for you I guess, everyone's happy.
lowenklee 2 weeks ago
@lowenklee Yep, especially with the new coming out. Don't worry, I'm more than happy.
TitanSubZero15 2 weeks ago
@MrJab4309 that made my day thank you i love the firebird but the viper is my favorite of all time :)
FordFocusRS29 2 weeks ago
i just learned something interesting about the original viper... the 6 speed transmission used in the camaros and firebirds of the 90's is the exact 6spd that was solely developed for the viper in 1989...interesting fact for all of you reading this.
MrJab4309 3 weeks ago
driving without a key in ignition 1:56 and handbrake on 2:04
afordable500hpZO6vet 3 weeks ago
@afordable500hpZO6vet good catch.
minameise 2 weeks ago
he compared it to a phsycotic female, atleast he got that right the viper is a true bad ass car
FordFocusRS29 3 weeks ago
The Viper is to much for that Brit it was meant for men to drive it.
MALDASF 3 weeks ago
@MALDASF He said he likes it, it just needs refinement.
horsey05 1 week ago
@MALDASF I, am a man. I have driven all sorts of beasts in my time, F40s, Lambos, Koeniggsegs, McLarens. The scariest thing I've ever driven, was a TVR Cerbera. This one had been modified to Speed 12 spec, but hadn't stopped there. It had over 1200bhp and I hit 260 in it before I pussied out and backed off. I tell you though, if you were careful with the power, and left the throttle well alone round corners, it drove sweet as a nut. The Viper? Not so much, and it has half the horsepower
TheWierdFish 1 week ago
Comment removed
tamerseeker 3 weeks ago
If that was actually 720P ill eat this computer, it looked worse in 720 that some vids in 360......
The3rdID 4 weeks ago 2
more civilized than what ? an airplane crash!!!
TheHame110 1 month ago 2
Yeah I'd take very good care of it if I bought one but the problem with buying a used viper is that most previous owners drove them to death and encountered problems and now selling them. I'm trying to find one some old man owned lol
therealkyarush 1 month ago
Viper ACR hold the Nurburghring record !!
cryteeek 1 month ago
@cryteeek what do you expect when you put a 8 liter engine, with r-compound tires big enough for a big-rig, and a wing from a 747? With those elements there isnt much engineering that needs to go into, hence why the viper garbage
96shox 4 weeks ago
@96shox Viper #1 face it
cryteeek 3 weeks ago
@96shox The Viper is heavier, less powerful and less grippy than the Gumpert Apollo S, and is only 0.6 seconds slower around the Nurburgring. In other words, the Gumpert is only 0.04 seconds per mile faster despite having 100 more hp, weighing 900 lbs less and having nearly twice as much downforce. The Viper is therefore one of the greatest vehicles every built, especially since it costs 5 times less than the Gumpert.
marshknute 3 weeks ago
@marshknute But, round a trck that you CAN'T take flat out, the Gumpert would easily win. Therefore, the ACR is a fairly good machine for gouing round the Nurburgring, but pretty useless everywhere else.
TheWierdFish 1 week ago
@TheWierdFish *Going
TheWierdFish 1 week ago
@96shox you Sire, know shit, go cry in a corner because Viper beats the shit out of your dreamcar
FullMetalOne 3 weeks ago
@TheWeirdFish
I GUARANTEE that the viper with the hennessey conversion would hit 250. You act as if the veyron is the only vehicle to hit 250 on planet earth. As for it being stable at 250, yes, it would be a bit jumpier at that speed in opposition to the veyrons comfort. But, you aren't going to drive the veyron 250 mph every day, so whats the point of spending the extra 1,000,000 bucks to go that fast when, and if, you do, it wouldn't be for sustained periods of time?
TrevFredMotors 1 month ago
@TrevFredMotors I'm sure it can, as can the SSC Ulitmate Aero (stupid name) But. I've driven a Veyron, I've driven an SSC, and I've driven a Viper (ACR, not Hennesey) and I can safely say, that buy a mile, the Veyron is the more comfortable, whether it be on long or or journeys. Also, the Veyron is as easy to drive as a Fiesta. And that's the point. The Veyron is, first and foremost, a GT car. The fact that it's the fastest production car on the planet is just icing on the cake.
TheWierdFish 1 week ago
@TheWierdFish I'm not really saying that a supercar needs to be difficult to drive to be a supercar, but, I do believe that Bugatti could have saved an easy 1/2 million on costs by creating a more basic vehicle. The fact is that the veyron is just an example of excess for no apparent reason. The viper was very basic and was difficult to drive, but that was the point. It was a car that made you feel alive. Both great cars, but definitely in 2 seperate classes.
TrevFredMotors 4 days ago
@TrevFredMotors But then it wouldn't be a Veyron. It's whole raison de etre is to be gloriously, wonderfully, excessively, good in every way. It's a luxury car, that goes fast, not just a fast car. The Viper made me feel good dor approximately 60 minutes, during the time I tested it. I had it for five days. 1 out of 120 hours is pretty poor on the funometer scale. The other 15 or so hours I drove it, were boring, as I couldn't actually USE the power, and the handling was hopeless
TheWierdFish 3 days ago
@TheWierdFish Hmmm, I'm not sure I believe the "I've driven an SSC, Veyron" comment. Anyone can say that. Unless you went with millions of pounds to Dubai, or you work for the motoring press or work on automotive development in the US. SSC is only availible in the US , Dubai and Russia. SSC won't even let a majority of Media shows drive their cars because of limited number produced and even the dealerships you have to make an appointment....with a damn good reason.
v8cool1 3 days ago
@v8cool1 It's not how much cash *I* have, rather how much cash the people I know, have. Doing a favour for a guy at your local Porsche dealer, then using that to get another guy moved up the waiting list, then using that and so on, building up favours, can get you a lot of stuff. Plus, I write for a magazine, (no I'm not going to tell you which one, I'm not an idiot) so I get to try quite a few cars, and I get to go on all sorts of interesting days out. So yeah, I know a guy has an SSC.
TheWierdFish 2 days ago
@TheWierdFish ur an author too?? FUCK MAN PUT ME FUCKING IN THERE!! 25 and a successful author!!.... wait u can't verify that....
topgearulz 2 days ago
@TheWierdFish P.S, you like Jags.what do you think of topgear smashing up that new Jag in their show? I thought it was abit out of line. It must of been an ex drug dealers car or something, he hit it pretty bad.
v8cool1 3 days ago
@v8cool1 I thought it was a bit of a laugh. I don't like the XF as much as previous Jags, it's gone too far into the natty, techy side of luxury cars. But, it's still better than 90% of its rivals, and it's better looking, and its V8 is one of the few V8s that doesn't sound the same all the way through the rev band. It was a brand new car, supplied to the film company, which, usually, they'd sell back to Jaguar.
TheWierdFish 2 days ago
@TheWierdFish more prime english intellectual property i see
topgearulz 2 days ago
@topgearulz Ah, more of your asinine drivel I see. Kindly fuck, in a general off-wards kind of direction.
TheWierdFish 1 day ago
@TheWierdFish " It was a brand new car, supplied to the film company, which, usually, they'd sell back to Jaguar."
It still seemed like a waste.
v8cool1 2 days ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@v8cool1 Actually, the usual way is that the manufacturer repairs the (usually) minor panel damage, the sells the car on as pre owned, and actually makes a little profit, the film company gets a cheap car to play with, and a happy customer gets an almost perfect, 300 mile car, for the same price as a second hand one, and bragging rights that his exact car was in such and such. Everyone wins. Unless, the car is a total wreck, but then hey, you still want to see gritty car chases right?
TheWierdFish 1 day ago
Lol American cars troll WeirdFish so hard. 10/10 for making him respond.
BravestToaster 1 month ago
@BravestToaster I'm sorry, Mr Toaster, the day an American car gets the better of me, is the day I eat my hat, do a jig nude in Trafalgar Square, then defecate on the Queen. It's not going to happen, ever.
TheWierdFish 1 week ago
American muscle cars are cunt juggling thunder cunt shit bags....@TheWeirdFish I totally agree with you
skateradeable 1 month ago
@skateradeable Muscle cars may be shit, but I wouldn't mind an old Challenger, or a Plymouth Superbird
TheWierdFish 1 week ago
I don't plan on burning tires like crazy but yeah I heard the ABS is a little issue. I wonder if I could put abs on it? But if tires is all I have to worry about I'm in. The maintenance on my M3 was stupid ridiculous. A Ferrari has many problems as well and a corvette isn't an option because too many people have one so I lost interest
therealkyarush 1 month ago
@therealkyarush Bimmer maintainance is only rediculous if you make it so. I have a mate who's a proper Bee Emm nut. His E36 M3, widely regarded as BMWs only real flop as far as quality is concerned, is cheaper for him to maintain than my mums modern Vauxhall Corsa, which is actually a very reliable little car.
TheWierdFish 3 days ago
For taking a pure beating they're not as tough as vetts but they can take one. I go through 5-7 sets of tires per year and haven't had many problems. No anti lock breaks is a major downfall though
stevethebeagle 1 month ago
@stevethebeagle My Landy has no ABS, neither of my three Jags has ABS. I am not dead, and I drive like a total loon. ABS is only for those who can't be bothered to learn how to brake properly. You can actually stop SOONER without the ABS system. 99.999% of the time, they cut in too early, leaving more stopping power, unused. Learn to drive, then your cars will be cheaper.
TheWierdFish 3 days ago
I'm looking into buying a 1997 viper but I know nothing of reliability on this car. Anyone know the maintenance and reliability? I just sold my 08 M3 so anything is better then that expensive thing lol thanks for any info
therealkyarush 1 month ago
@therealkyarush I believe that is before the srt viper, so if that is an older v10, its more than likely the truck engine. Very reliable when taken care of.
TrevFredMotors 1 month ago
yes sir... barely more civilized than a plan crash lol
alamrisa 1 month ago
One thing I'll admit, the Veyron and any porsche is a beautiful and kickass vehicle. And the Reventon has a pretty neat panel. Otherwise, euro cars<muscle cars.
the934x4 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish *Face Palm* Sled-as in snowmobile-ya idiot. And no, V12s are just a solid drone when redlined because the amount of cylinders makes it smooth and the individual notes cancelled out by the next exhaust stroked piston. I'd take the "thump, thump, rooOOAR" of my V8 over a droning 12 any day, punk.-.-
the934x4 1 month ago
@the934x4 Most V8s are just white noise over 4000rpm. A V12, by sheer number of clinders is a much more layered sound. A crisp, knife edge upper range, as each cylinder opens up, but with smooth, melow undertones. V12s also have a natural internal balance, as do straight sixes, which are equally beautiful. V8s aren't all bad, one of my favorite engines of all time is the Ferrari F40 V8. 3 litres of turbo nutjobbery, and one of the most savage howls on the road.
TheWierdFish 1 week ago
@TheWierdFish It was I70 outside Salina, KS. I remember hearing what I believed to be a Civic or the like coming up behind me. Well, it was a fire red Ferrari, we pulled beside eachother at 70, I dropped into third and from then on out all I heard was 528 CIs of raw hp hitting the 6500 rpm redline up to 190, by which time the Ferrari was about 16 car lengths behind.
the934x4 1 month ago
@the934x4 See, you're getting confused. A redlining 4 pot wil have a similar sound to a V8 at half the rpms, simple maths tells you that to be true, but, a lot of Civics and such have their exhausts swapped for tuned items that increase and modify the sound, making them sound like performance vehicles. It's all fakery. If the Ferrari driver didn't choose to follow you, then he obviously would be slower. Also, older Ferraris, are not going to be as fast as modern cars.
TheWierdFish 1 week ago
The V12s in your cars sound like sled motors not car motors. In essence, they sound like shit. I raced what I think was a late 80s testarossa about a year ago just before I put the Charger back in the shop for some new goodies
the934x4 1 month ago
@the934x4 Last time I checked, sledges don't have engines...... If you've actually heard a proper V12 at full chat, you wouldn't say that. A red-lining V12 is a full orchestral tribute to all that's good and made of metal, the simple act of 12 pistons, making one power stroke, every other revolution, 7 or 8 thousand times per minute, is joy in engine form. Try being so poetic about V8s, yeha, punk.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@v8cool1 "their# cars". And the car doesnt do 200 mph nor will anyone who buys it because theyre scared of crashing it.
EliteGhost001 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish yes, it slipped my mind
EliteGhost001 1 month ago
@v8cool1 well they couldve changed the engine to produce more power and less torc (however spelled in English). But not having money for a more expensive car and then have money for massive amounts of fuel is weird. Especialy since most Americans are complaining about the petrol price which isnt high in the US at all. Its a supercar, not a mainstream one so..affordable? Bad choice
EliteGhost001 1 month ago
@EliteGhost001 Chrysler don't put petrol in there cars for you. I was talking about Chrysler not having much money to develop another engine, not people buying it.
When I said a cheaper way to get close too 200mph I mean't cheaper for the manufacturer.
v8cool1 1 month ago
@EliteGhost001 Torque. That's how it's spelt.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish And the best part, Dodge built the 69 Daytona, which in stock form with a Hemi and 4spd could tickle 200mph, and the #88 Daytona, with a 4 spd, race spec Hemi( high rise intake, aluminum heads, single carb) hit 243mph at the Chelsey proving grounds, piloted by Charlie Glotzbach. That's the same speed as your V12, variable valve timing, fuel injected, 6spd sequential auto Ferrari Enzo does for a cost of probably 20k at most, with 4 less cylinders and basic tech. It's all rubbish
the934x4 1 month ago
@the934x4 I dont have an Enzo, I would never have an Enzo. Ferrari went massively down hill when old Enzo kicked it, just after doing the F40. Shame. The Daytona was a massive, somewhat ugly, racing car, that was somehow road legal. In 1955 Jaguar were doing 180-90 at LeMans with a 3.4 litre straight six, that's less cylinders again and far less capacity, 14 years previously. And, the British, Sunbeam Mystery did 200mph in 1927. 42 years before Dodge.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish The difference is The Sunbeam Mystery wasn't a production car and used a 22 litre engine..that wasn't even a car engine.
v8cool1 1 month ago
@v8cool1 But it was 85 years ago, even the aircraft of the day could barely scrape 200mph. My point is, going 200mph is easy. Doing it with any sense of comfort, dignity, safety and reliability, is not.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish Beleive it or not, the experts tested it. Secondly, you are the biggest supremist around. In my opinion and many others, both the viper V10 and the Vette ZR1, along with most other American V8s are way better sounding than a whiny ass Ferrari. I prefer the sound of cylinders the size of 5 gallon buckets thumping away through open headers and magnaflows over a Ferrari that sounds like your girlfriend in bed.
the934x4 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@the934x4 "both the viper V10 and the Vette ZR1, along with most other American V8s are way better sounding than a whiny ass Ferrari." The american V8 sound is legendary, and viper was still continuing to sell strong even when the rest of chrysler range was suffering. As for the vette. I love it. I spoke to a guy at a car show with one. He said it's one of the best cars he's owned, and he owned an Aston Martin/Jag franchise.
v8cool1 1 month ago
@v8cool1 The American V8 sound is classic, yes. That doesn't make it good. If you just stop and look at a Corvette lapping a track, it sounds diiferent than it looks, it looks relatively sporty, sounds like a lorry.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish You could say the same about a euro super car. V12, looks sporty, sounds too high pitched, more like a sportsbike. Not the sound you'd expect from 12 cylinders. I remember a ferrari accelerating after doing a u-turn on our road. My wife said it sounded like a boyracer Honda
v8cool1 1 month ago
@v8cool1 The sound is a direct result of the cylinder count/ revolutions. More revs, less cylinders = roughly the same noise. If a 4 cly bike revs to 12,000, it's the same as a V12 at 4000, which is where you'll hear V12s mostly. It's supposed to sound crazy and it does. Just like a Lambo is crazy. Most Ferraris, 308s, 360s, 430s, 458s are in fact V8s They don't sound like hondas, hondas are modified to sound like Ferraris.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@the934x4 Have you ever heard an F40 at full chat? Or a 250 TR at Le Mans? The F40s V8 is probably the best sounding V8 of all time. Your average yank V8, like the one in the ZR1 is just a noise. You get more tuneful sounds from a signal generator. (Widely regarded as the most annoying piece of equipment ever) I'm hardly a supremist, I'll gladly admit that the Nissan GT-R is an impressive bit of kit, and the Boeing 747 (American) has done more for the world than it's credited for.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish A V10 that gets better fuel mileage than a GTR and a murcielago, and you with your 12 cylinder pos boat putting in down bud. Your ass must be jealous of all the shit coming out of your mouth.
the934x4 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@the934x4 I did not understand the last part. Something about a boat and a flower maybe? Speak English man! I don't believe for 1 second that an 8.3 litre V10 is more economic than a 3.8 litre V6. The Lambo is just so epic, it doesn't matter. Plus, while the Viper sounds like it's moaning, the Lambo V12 howls with joy, Drive a Murcie, Drive a Viper, then talk. Actually, drive the Viper first, the Lambo will ruin it for you.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish ah V10... Well I'd consider this a prime example of American insufficiant engines. I just dont get what they were thinking when they were done with it. Then again, Im a James may kinda person. I like a fast car.. But just because it can be nice on the highway, not brealy to drive it fast. Speed limits anyway. But germany is only 3 km away...hmmm..
EliteGhost001 1 month ago
@EliteGhost001 It's a prime example of Yank wasteage and excessiveness.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@EliteGhost001 Don't forget, the viper V10 was a casting of the already exsisting Ram V10 which was about heavy duty, massive torque, pulling capabilities, rather than supercar H/P. They weren't exactly rich at the time to develop a high tech engine. People seem to think that everyone has Ferrari heritage and engineers and budget at hand. No. Dodge make affordable cars, trucks and people carriers. Using the exsisting V10 was just a cheaper way of getting near 200mph.
v8cool1 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@v8cool1 Yeah, that's fine, but I could give it an extra 100bhp with the tools in my workshop and some offcuts of piping. And I'm a relative noob when it comes to engine design. If I'm spending £100,000 on anything, I want to know someone's actually thought aboout what they are doing. V10 Ram? Stupid idea if ever there was one.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
So, it has an 8.3L V8 good for a massive 510 bhp. The Ferrari has 4.5L and produces 560 bhp and goed from 0-60 faster. What have they done to the vipers engine?
EliteGhost001 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@EliteGhost001 The Viper has an 8.3 litre V10, which makes its failiure even worse.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@v8cool1 Amen brother, now if we could only ween this retards off the Jeremy Clarkson brand Kool Aid theyre drinking and get them to accept that your car doesn't need a coffeemachine/Bottleopener/winecabinet/hairdryer encased in $10k of Colombian cherry to be fast lol
the934x4 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish Ya, ugly as hell if you ask me. Just ordinary sedan styling of the 60s-70s. Not sporty nor aggressive looking. And fast? A 2001 Pontiac Bonneville SLE can bury the peg at 140, with 6 cylinders. My Charger has broken the 200 mark before the turbos. Try again
the934x4 1 month ago
@the934x4 150, in a leather ensconced walnut panelled luxury saloon, from 1972. 40 years old. And it's huge, and it'll accellerate without any discernable effort, from any speed, to any speed, in any gear. It's not sporty, or agressive, because it isn't a sporty or agressive car. It's sleek and dignified, it wafts along, slipping past inferior automobiles with a snort of V12 derision. It's a car to cruise in, but it's equally as rewarding at its limits. Ordinary? Ha, philestine.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish I thought we were talking fast, not luxurious. I don't take the time at 100+mph to fondle the woodwork. And secondly, why doesn't it count. My car was $30k start to finish, how much was yours??? And jags are the ugliest cars in existence imo
the934x4 1 month ago
@the934x4 Have you ever seen an XJ12? Or an E type? You would not say they were ugly in any way. The XJ12 is fast, she does 150mph and corners better than a lot of modern cars. Yes, when I got it the electrics were dodgy, but it had been in a barn for ten years and most of it had been eaten by mice, you cant fault it for that. That Jag cost me £960 to buy, £1500 for engine and suspension work (seals and bushes and such) then £40 for an MOT and £0 for tax as it's pre 1973. £2,500 total.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish Admittedly, £2,500 didn't cover the re-spray, or my time welding the front valance, or the various bits I've picked up off scrap cars and Autojumbles, or the electronic ignition (Which was bought off a mate for £50) but still, less than £3,000 for a 150mph, V12, 5 seater car with full leather interior, walnut dash, shagpile carpets, everything. Jags have always traditionally been, fast, good looking, luxurious and, above all, a bargain.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@the934x4 "I don't take the time at 100+mph to fondle the woodwork"
LOL, I have a similar view on people who criticise the interior plastics on cars like the Vette and criticise it's simplistic engine. Doing 205mph in the vette you're not gonna think "If only it had £300k worth of engineering" as it still performs the same as a more highly engineered car and you'll be having to much fun to care, or you won't be stroking the trim.
v8cool1 1 month ago
@v8cool1 But, that's not the point of a supercar! A supercar is all about the flair, the sheer pantomime of being truly bonkers, the pricetag, the looks, the speed, the handling and yes, the interior, all add up to be more than the sum of their parts. A supercar is a big, wheeled happy machine. A Murcielago, makes me smile and think 'Lucky fuck' A Corvette just elicits a slight frown and a 'twat'. If you want a performance car, buy an Ariel Atom or a Radical.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish "A Corvette just elicits a slight frown and a 'twat'"
Thats abit uneductated on your part I think then. Do you know the person who owns the vette? He could be the doctotr that saves your liffe that owns it for all you know. I know loads of vette owners over the years, and 99% of them are decent people.
I used to get alot of nice comments and people talking to me when we owned a Vette.
v8cool1 1 month ago
@v8cool1 It doesn't matter. Do you think all Rolls Royce owners are as refined as the cars? Not, alot are rich twats. It doesn't matter who you are, people judge you by your car. I'm 28 and people are continally stunned when I step out of my XJ12 in jeans and a t-shirt. Equally so when I arrive in my Series III Landy. When I see a ZR1 or a Z06 I see someone who has no imagination further than, 'Corvette, they're sort of cool.' Like modern Ferrari owners, you know it's for the badge.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish "It doesn't matter who you are, people judge you by your car."
True, doesn't mean you're right though.
"I see someone who has no imagination further than, 'Corvette, they're sort of cool."
OK, so let me tell you what Vette owners think, based on the people I know . They're fans of the classics, but want mod cons and handling of a new car. So they get the new vette, so they can own a classic legend with modern pros.
v8cool1 1 month ago
@v8cool1 So they are buying a name, nothing more. I cannot stand that. I love Lamborghini. I would have a Murcielago because it's fantastic. I would not have the new Aventador because it is not. I love the old Lancias, the Fulvia, Stratos, 037, Delta integrale. But not the new Ypsilon because it's fucking hideous. You should buy a car for its merits, not the merits of the previous model. The ZR1 is no more classic than a Ford Mondeo.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish The ZR1 has been a classic for decades, and this new one will vbe a classic as it's already gone down in history as the fastest mass produced GM car yet. So that alone will make it a classic. No. They're not buying it just for the name. They buy it for it's heritage and sound. The basic shape of the vette hasn't changed since about 67. People buy a car for what ever reason they like. If it doesn't hurt you then so what?
v8cool1 1 month ago
@v8cool1 But it does hurt, because they are drinking precious petrol, petrol I could put in my Jag, which is far more deserving of a good drink. Heratige that has been for years, shit. A sound that is at best, dull and at worst damned annoying! Fastest mass produced GM car? Not exactly a grand title. The basic shape of the Corvette has been boring and awful since about the 70s. I bought a C5, new, to see what all the fuss was about. It broke, lots, was shit, and I hated it.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish "But it does hurt, because they are drinking precious petrol, petrol I could put in my Jag,"
Which other people would could consider a shit car, and a waste of fuel. Like most people that drive eco boxes. So, thats how it goes.
"Corvette has been boring and awful since about the 70s." Again, subjective and just opinion, not fact
Trying to be the next clarkson isn't something to shout about.
v8cool1 1 month ago
@v8cool1 It is, scientifically, a better car than a Corvette. It's more than fast enough, considering the legal limit is 70mph. It's more comfortable, quieter inside, and has everything essential to driving comfort (i.e. a stereo and a heater/cooler) and, with proper maintainence (oil change at the correct time,coolant top ups when neccessary) it's every bit as reliable as any other car on the road. I'm not the next Clarkson, I just have a chunk more experience than Joe Bloggs on YTube.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish
," I just have a chunk more experience than Joe Bloggs on YTube."
So do I. I've grown up with classic British, German and american cars. The Motortrade has been in my family for decades. My dad was a transmission mechanic, my uncle owned dealerships, my brothers in the mototrade, and I started at 14 and we've all owned classic british and american cars, and modern cars too....but I'm still open minded and understanding, even with supposed bad cars.
v8cool1 1 month ago
@v8cool1 Oh I'm open minded all right, I see through the branding to the soul of a car, if it even has one, and make my judgements on that.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish Jag/ Corvette. Two totally different cars for two different markets. Apples and oranges comparison. Your Jag would make a crap car for someone wanting an Enzo speed two seater sports car.
v8cool1 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@TheWierdFish "So they are buying a name, nothing more. I cannot stand that. I love Lamborghini. I would have a Murcielago"
So you hate a car like the Corvette because you think people buy it just for it's name. Yet you think the Murcielago is amazing. How do you know that a majority of Murci owners haven't just bought one for the name? Would you hate that if they had?
v8cool1 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish "A supercar is all about the flair, the sheer pantomime of being truly bonkers, the pricetag, the looks, the speed, the handling and yes, the interior,"
The flair, pantomime, bonkers, looks and speed are the things that people love about the vette and Viper. Even clarkson said he'd still take the Vette over the R8 Audi because of it's savagery. He's hardly 'uneducated'. He's driven more cars than any of us.
v8cool1 1 month ago
@v8cool1 The Corvette is anything but, it's really just a very fast sports car, it even has a useable boot, that's not flair, that's practicality. The only thing on it remotely pantomime is the silly plastic bit in the bonnet of the ZR1 which is horrid, tacky and gives you a great view of an equally horrid bit of plastic with supercharged written all over it. People are always raving how cheap it is and it looks fat and lumpy. Clarkson, while right about much, is wrong here.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish That said, the R8 is quite a boring car.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish" Clarkson, while right about much, is wrong here."
How convieniant that the one thing he's wrong with is with a car you don't like. Maybe getting you're own opinion and taste mixed with fact?
Your really grasping at something .The Plastic with supercharger written on it? That plastic is actually metal. And the plastic is the collar bit that goes round the edge. So what, it has a part plastic cover under the bonnet?...as do most cars!
v8cool1 1 month ago
@v8cool1 It's still a tacky, unneccessary feature, no other front engined car, in the world, feels the need to have a window in the bonnet. The ZR1 is, factually, far too soft and ugly to be a car that I could consider driving again, let alone paying actual money to blight my driveway with. Of course it's convenient that Clarkson is wrong! It'd be pretty in convenient if he were not, wouldn't it?
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish So why is having a window in the bonnet at the front tacky, yet a window in the back not tacky. It's the same thing, a window in a cover displaying the engine. It seems to me like you're trying to find as many things as possible to bash it.
I like the fact they've tried to think of something different. Variety is the spice of life as they say. If everything looked the same and no-one thought of anything new, the world be a boring place.
v8cool1 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@v8cool1 In a Lambo or a Ferrari, it's fine, because the engine is invatiably, a fantastic piece of engineering and very good to look at. Plus, a Lambo is loony enough to pull it off. On the 'Vette, the engine is not fantastic, or good to look at. it's cack. And instead of a cack engine, all we see is a silly panel with words on, that adds nothing to the car what so ever, while simultaneously making it worse.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish" far too soft and ugly to be a car that I could consider driving again,"
Well, it's all opinon at the end of the day. The vettes been a huge seller since 1953. It continues to be. Clarkson generally doesn't have a good word to say about US cars, but he has good things to say about the vettes aggressive rawness which to me makes his review sound more genuine, and the fact it won a topgear car of the year award says people love it.
v8cool1 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@v8cool1 The C1 was crap, the C2 and C3 were crap, but looked good enough to make up for it (Yes, I like the C2 and C3) The ZR1 has too much squat under power, dive under braking and roll in the corners for a car that goes as fast as it does. To top it all though, it's not even comfortable to match, it's like having the discomfort of a hard ride, but none of the advantages! People like the brand kudos of a Corvette, if they'd actually driven the damn thing, the result would be different
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish "it even has a useable boot,"
So does the veyron apparently. Usable is debatable. If you wanna buy nothing thicker than sketchbook then yes it is usable. If you want to be a 30inch plasma and stand and take it home, then no.
v8cool1 1 month ago
@v8cool1 Use able as in, you can put actual things like shopping or some bags in it without dismantling half the car, opening wierd boxes hidden in the engine bay or having to blend the items and pour them into the space.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
Massivly Over Powered Asphalt Ripper .! Pure Amreican Power!
airman2izzle 1 month ago
ferrari f40 has nothing no traction control no abs no nothing all manual u must drive not the car. What u need is that what u like.
MakeSh00t 1 month ago
I now properly understand the Viper. I have driven a Merc' SLS. It's basically the same concept, much power, RWD, good looks. Except AMG seem to do it a bit better... In every way. It even handles, sort of. Very, very fun car. Now looking back, my time in the Viper seems better than I recall. I still don't like it as much as... well, alot of cars, but now, I at least understand the attraction, even though the SLS is far better, and has gull wing doors, which automatically make a car epic.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish" I now properly understand the Viper."
Good to hear. :oD
v8cool1 1 month ago
@v8cool1 I still don't like it. I just understand why the uneducated do. If you want a Viper, buy an SLS, it's the same, but better and with gull wing doors.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish
What do you class as uneducated? Do you mean people that have never driven a half a million pound supercar? So what about the people that have driven and owned expensive supercars, but still have a viper because they like it's drama.
Ahh yes Gullwing doors. Can't store them in your garage unless you have a high ceiling, and to be honest...a door is a door. It's the last I'd look at.
v8cool1 1 month ago
@v8cool1 Those who are un-educated in the existence of superior vehicles. If your garage ceiling is less than 7' high then yes, gullwings are a problem, but so is head room for people and that's just a crap garage.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheSilverado06 Bingo! Compare the price of an ACR to it's closest competitors. Then see euro cars in it's price range($110k USD) and see which is superior
the934x4 1 month ago
@the934x4 you don't even have to limit the Viper to European cars in its price range. The Viper beats EVERY European production car at the track, even those that cost literally 10x as much. and looks better than most of them, too.
kalbahamut 1 month ago
@kalbahamut Philistines. Just because a car is fast round a race track, doesn't make it a good car. A quality build, balanced handling and good damping make a car good to drive. I like the Viper for trying, and it's a good looking thing. But, no sane person should ever buy one.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
The american public was influenced to trade cars every few years until 1980s. I don't see many competitive european cars in the 20K-30K price range, and they have benefited from the lease fashion that allows to drive something can't be afforded. I own a BMW 2002 530, it has 35K miles and you don't want to know how many things have broke down. Leasing an expensive european is attractive, because it is trade in before starts falling apart.
TheSilverado06 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish ...Fiberglass fenders and hood, no rear seat. Comp Eng. four link rear suspension, and many more things I can't put my finger on at the moment. Only around $30k USD in it (;
the934x4 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish Not unmodified, what you got. 69 Charger, 440 punched to 528 CID, Currently getting two T3T4 hairdryers slapped on. Performer RPM cam,(pending upgrade) Custom crossram intake with two 1,050 CFM Dominators, backed through an AP reenforced Tremec T56 Six speed back through a Dana 60 running 3.65 cogs.
the934x4 1 month ago
@the934x4 Heavily modified cars are irrelevant, they are then basically modern cars with an old shell. And my Jag has 5 seats, a decent boot, leather, walnut dash...the full luxury treatment.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@kalbahamut We make Lotuses, Minis, Caterhams, Nobles, Radicals, Morgans... I've probably left some out, but the point is made. I haven't eaten a crumpet since 1998, it only rained a little bit this morning, and Muslims are generally perfectly fine people. Even 1960s British cars are better than the vast majority of American cars today.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish I must have really pissed you off, I was getting messages all day saying that you had responded on this video, but what happened, did you delete some of your other comments? Were they so boneheaded that they offended even yourself? Say whatever you want dude, ALL you have is words, the facts and numbers back up what I've said. and British car companies are almost all owned by foreigners. They're not even British companies anymore. Enjoy your crumpet.
kalbahamut 1 month ago
@JamesP5871 Tyre companies and Oil barons celebrate.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@CemetaryGatesML The Veyron has an 8 litre W16. The 16.4 in its name refers to 16 cylinders and 4 turbos. The Veyron engine is also quite unstressed considering its output. Hence why it was easy to take it to 1200bhp for the SS version.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@mrlegkick666 The McLaren factory is here, as is the Mini plant. ProDrive (creators of awesome rally cars) are here. Morgan, Caterham, Noble, Radical. The list is actually huge for such a small country.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish dont forget, bac mono , ariel , cosworth, judd, menard , ginnetta, ultima, westfield, bristol. 2 name a few
pikemancolley 1 week ago
@phantom5573 So that's $66.66 per horsepower I got about 40bhp more from my V8 Landie by re-routing the intake and exhaust and giving it a quick clean. Cost me £5 for the piping, a couple of quid for a new head gasket (while I had it in bits I thought, why not!) and about 3 hours in the garage. So that's about a tenner in all, including some sealing goo, for 40 bhp. That's 25p per horsepower. And American cars are cheap and easy to tune? Ha!
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish
What the F are you talking about???
I'm not a mechanic or a race junky like you dude.
Whatever
phantom5573 1 month ago
@lvisforever Seven mpg... Seven. Wow, I thought my Jag XJ12 was bad at 19mpg, and that was built 40 years ago! (The XJ12 being the one with the V12)
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@kickinbackinOC The Radical SR8 was far faster, about 30 seconds if I recall correctly. And the Radical is built in a shed in deepest England. By men who drink tea and are generally awesome.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@StanOfGB When you turn the computers off though, the GT-R is still mind, and spine, bending. And that V6 has a fab soundtrack.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish what are you talking about "when you turn the computers off"? If you turned them all off, the car wouldn't move at all! But I was talking about launch control, stability control etc..
StanOfGB 1 month ago
@alejadroyos Why not? They are basically all the same. Loony power, mediocre handling, agressive looks.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@CemetaryGatesML You know Enzo's dead already, his last car was the F40, the F60, the Enzo, was built to hounour him.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@Losi52 I'm English and I perfectly understand American muscle. They are big, stupid cars for looning along in and pulling doughnuts. They are, essentially, great big toys, designed to put a smile on your face. You can hate the car, but you'll love the feeling. But, not all the time. Sometimes you want to drive round corners, to get to places that aren't in a direct line, then you start to hate the car, because it feels uncomfortable, out of place. I stick to Jags, every car you need.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheAnToOo9 Err, yeah, the manifolds can glow yellow at high revs on powerful engines. Even the very end of a 1.4 Vauhall Astras exhaust can melt through plastic cable ties. (The damn thing fell off at 75 on the motorway, made a hell of a noise!)
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWatzitooya It is, it's actually quite nice, not quite as fast as its rivals but still nice to look at, drive and listen to. I even like the idiotic door/roof combo.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish the new jags comin soon awe awesome
pikemancolley 1 week ago
@disengagejam If TG don't run a car, it's usually down to the owner, manufacturer or insurance companies. Look how long it took them to get the Veyron!
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
Also, you've obviously never driven a Viper, or, you are like this guy on Top Gear who is not experienced enough to know how to handle a powerful FR drive real sports car, if you are going to argue that Vipers handle poorly. Mine handles great, and it's not even an ACR. Any car mag editor or driver worth anything will tell you the later gen Viper ACRs are among the best handling production cars ever made.
kalbahamut 1 month ago
@kalbahamut I assume you're replying to moi, if not, tough shit. I have driven Vipers, I had a stint in a 1st gen and an ACR. They are, lumpy, imprecise and can never qiute figure if they want to kill me forwards, bacwards, sideways or all three at once. I dont' mind cars that try to kill me, it's a challenge, I just wish that it would make up its damned mind. If you think it's the best, think again, I could list off 20 cars better than a Viper, that I have driven.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish I don't believe you for a second. But if you are telling the truth, then you suck at driving.
kalbahamut 1 month ago
@kalbahamut How? If I was the worlds worst driver, a better car would still be better. As it happens, I see myself as a fairly good driver. I'm not too shabby on the track, even done a bit of drifting with a bit of success. And I'm famous for my doughnuts and powerlslides. Well, famous amongst my friends...
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
he likes to kill people occasionally hahahhahaa
kosmosleha 1 month ago
Expensive european cars have poor reliability. In the 1960s we rode Impalas and Mustangs by choice, europeans had Beetles if were commons and Mercedes if nobles. The battle now will be won by those who make affordable quality....not unreachable performance.
TheSilverado06 1 month ago
@TheSilverado06 Porsche have a near impeccable reliability record, Jaguars are now very good. BMW have a decent record, and even Fiat are pretty good nowadays. American cars are affordable, but not quality, the exception being european market Fords, which are fairly decent. Really, we didn't all drive Beetles or Mercs, the 60s was rife with nippy little cheap saloons and coupes, alot of which are still going today. How often do you see just a normal, 1960s American family car?
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish Honestly, I'd really like to to come to the states and meet up for a street race. Race what you bring. I'll show you what a 40year old American piece of trash will do in the real world and not some technical track (:
the934x4 1 month ago
@the934x4 Unmodified? I'll bring my XJ. Running basically stock, only with modern tyres, fuel, coolant, oils and a period, Jaguar manual gear box and electronic-point ignition (You can't get the original fluids and tyres anymore, I hate slushboxes and the ignition is for economies sake [20mpg!]) I've pushed 150 in it, and it's definitely got a bit more to give. 1972, 5.3l V12, silky smooth, never skipped a beat. Fast and surprisingly agile.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago
@TheWierdFish you said the worlds two fastest cars are british. Name please
the934x4 1 month ago
@the934x4 According to comments, ON THIS VIDEO THAT ARE PRAISING THE VIPER the two fastest are the Radical SR8 and a performance derivative thereof, the SR8x or something.
TheWierdFish 1 month ago