Thanks for continuing to demand a public option. Thanks for all you do, Senators Sanders. At least one US politician is standing by his campaign promises. I only wish you were my senator here in California. You humble me.
All of you politicians knew what was going on, and only a handful have stood up for our Republic and the Constitution. Don't BS me with your fake populism. We're taking our country back, wait and see.
Well, if you think Presidential politics is all that there is to politics, then I'm supremely happy, becasue you'll be blindsided by true activism when it hits you.
Other than that, you haven't -- nor can you -- refute anything that I've posted here about you. You're a cliched moron, a phrase that's decriptive of every American who decides to call themselves a "CONservative" today.
Conservatives offer this country nothing but hatred & division. Americans are tired of these.
Out of which dark region of your anus do you pull this stuff?
This country, you small-dicked white boy, was founded on ideas gathered from Europe's Enlightenment period.
Of course, if conservatism wasn't dying the horrible death that it is right now, you knuckle draggers would pull us all back to 1352 if you could. ("Enlightenment" is not a concept anyone associates with any so-called "conservatives" in 2009 America. More like ... Stone Age.)
I will never be able to prove my points to you because you cannot even read. And if you did read, you are too dumb to interpret it. And if you did interpret it, you would be too dumb to heed your own advice. lol Someone like you they call insane. You keep doing the same thing over and over hoping for a different result. You are as dumb as red west Texas dirt boy.
I have never seen a party or constituency so hellbent on forgetting history as the republicon party. It is just laughable. You teabaggers are dumber than a box of rocks and probably weigh twice as much.
@CoolVideoGameVideos Bush entered office with a $4.6 trillion surplus but paradoxially left with an $11.2 trillion deficit. WTF Do any of you airheads even care? He came into office with 4% unemployment but left with 8% unemployment. Can any of you airheads say WTF? When he left office in 2008 DOW closed at a post 1997 low. What is all this; water under the bridge, let bygones be bygones, we will live to fight another day? You rightwingers are definitely some cumdrunk republicons.
Or a better idea might be that you go enlist. The Democratic Party is too busy trying to clean up two illegal wars costing us billions a week and the Republicans have looted the treasury as we said they would. Maybe it is you that should leave and go make friends with the Taliban but first start by enlisting - once you come back with lost limbs (gives me happy goose bumps thinking about it) and inability to obtain healthcare you may just have a little credibility. Whiny sickening con.
@callouschristian Republicons are a socialistic disease. If we could shake their bug this country would be be on a path of wellness and prosperity. If there is a way to make a buck on the backs of the American worker, a republicon will exploit it for all its worth. Sad that many in this country do not see republicons for what they are: a wolf in sheeps clothing.
callouschristian, you and I are talking to the most uneducated form of life on this planet. REPUBLICONS. If satan himself served as their leader, they would be none the wiser. All they know is fuzzy math learned at a fast-food till. They count on their fingers just like their mommies taught them at home. They would not know how we got this deficit if THE GOOD LORD himself wrote it in stone.
If you really want to fix anything we at least need to liquidate the repubican party but a more affective strategy would be to bury them in a big hole. Republcans are only good at creating damage. They are an anti-American Terrorist Organization.
what's the point; liberalism is a psychosis, this video proves it.
This health plan is good for no one. There is no money for it. Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security are all going bankrupt. How's a government takeover of health coverage going to fix anything.
What do you think of the money spent on military adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan? Are you in favour of an attack on Iran? That might cost taxpayers more than what Iraq/Afghanistan has already
We are increasingly not 'The UNITED States of America'. We are becoming 'The DIVIDED States of America'. Why should individual states be able to 'opt in' or 'opt out' on healthcare?! This should be implemented NATIONALLY! A person in Alaska, or Florida, or New York, or Minnesota needs proper healthcare just as much as anyone in any state.
I live in Texas and with Perry for a governor I bet you a dollar to a donut they opt out of the plan. Perry is a tenther and a birther and a civil war re-enactor. LOL (I do not think Texas was involved in the civil war) He was not dealt a full hand and shows his ass at the most inoppurtune times.
We also know about "Juneteenth" where slaves were kept in chains long after emancipation. Nothing is impossible. There is a strong but not vocal Democratic Base in Texas that needs to stop listening to the republican nay sayers who could actually more accurately be labelled terrorists by now.
The Repubs are going DIRECTLY against the will of their constituents. Polls have shown that the public option is preferred by 56-77% of Americans (depending on the poll and the phrasing of the question). The next elections will be a referendum that Repubs will need to respond to or else fade away.
I'm certainly glad to know that Bernie Sanders is in the Senate. I wish there were more like him in Washington DC. I hope Sen. Sanders is right; that once ONE state goes to single payer, the rest of the nation will follow. Then I recall that the Senate also has sleazy people like Lieberman. I hope the good guys like Sanders pull this healthcare debate/reform off--one way or another.
OOPS!. I meant to push the "thumbs up". But I totally agree. I too think Senator Sanders is a shrewd negotiator. He is putting enough in so the Blue Dogs have something to cut and we still wind up with something that works. But without a strong public option, this will be the biggest corporate giveaway in history. One sixth of US economy shoveled into the coffers of the Ins. Co.s. and beyond their wildest dreams. Their champagne is already bought and chilled. Lord help us.
A friend in England asked me to explain the case *against* healthcare reform in this country, and I couldn't do it without making opponents sound like a bunch of blithering idiots (and I honestly tried REALLY hard not to. How does one defend people who compare being given an additional insurance option to "Nazi Germany" without sounding completely nuts?)
It's easy. The US allows legal bribery of politicians by corporations. That bribery is called "campaign contributions" and exists because of a legal fiction that corporations are persons and as such have the same free speech rights and other rights that natural persons have.
Health care in USA is screwed from YEARS of corporate greed. Their PR companies have fooled the gullible into believing this debate is about the sanctity of our national identity: freedom, and the triumph of capitalism over competing ideologies. Bah humbug. It's about insurance companies being vampires preying on the vulnerable, and controlling a system that should be control by science and compassion. And some people buy it! HA! I got some swampland to sell ya sucker!
See, the insurance companies are not even sweating the idea of no denials for pre-existing conditions. They already know how to deal with it - just MORE of the same, A HUGE INCREASE IN MORE DENIALS FOR THE NECESSARY CARE REQUIRED!! I also believe that we AMERICANS need to take more responsibility for what we are choosing to eat. 9 or 10 biscuits has to stop, 6 0r 7 chickens has to stop!! Eat natural foods as well and make smarter choices!!
I believe this ENTIRE debate on health care reform is COMPLETELY idiotic!! The ONLY REAL SOLUTION is to do away with the current health care for profit insurance system that has been in place since Nixon made it so!! While you think about that, think about this as well - if the Senate does pass this bill coming to them soon where health insurance companies can no longer deny you for pre-existing conditions THERE WILL BE EVEN MORE DENIALS OF NECESSARY CARE NEEDED!!
Thanks so much for your comment! I agree with you 100%!! Republicans have to prove to me that executive compensation at the insurance companies, that comes solely from denials for necessary care is justified. I have an interesting fact for you: 60% of all bankruptcies filed in this country are for medical bills, 80% of those had medical insurance. Now if a new bill can be passed it WILL create more competition,lowering costs, and creating an entrepreneurial spirit among our fellow Americans.
Hey refuse what you have stated no republicon wants that information gettin' out. LOL They may look selfish and like a domestic terroist if people really dig a little deeper.
We have ourselves to blame Mikelz48. We have the power to elect people who care about our interests and not those of corporations. There is nothing holding us back from electing better people to represent our interests. Until Americans stop believe the lies, we have ourselves to blame. The cure is Socialism, the disease is Capitalism.
"There is nothing holding us back from electing better people to represent our interests."
I agree with all you said but unfortunately we know from 2000 and 2004 and probably the gubernatorials of 2002 that votes can be stolen or redirected. The CBO determined "glitches" that allowed this, which were present in those elections, still exist. In other words if someone wants to steal another election the way the cons did, they still can and probably will.
The world was shocked to see our embarrassing and flaccid recovery efforts after Katrina, so accustomed they were to the myth of our supposedly advanced high tech model of power and might.
Now the levies of the US Economy have broken, and the man made storm of corporate greed and political corruption has flooded our homes, our factories and our institutions.. If it weren't so true, it would be laughable.
It has to be worrisome to the entire world as they look to us for the lead out of this mess. And yet they are watching thousands upon thousands of our sick declaring bankruptcy, thousands dying for lack of care, millions of families in foreclosure being thrown in the streets, the homeless, and the mounting unemployment. Unheard of in other modern nations.
do you honesty think the rest of the world is looking to US for a lead... the US is the largest debtor nation in recorded history. quite the accomplishment considering the dollar is also the world reserve currency. The only thing the rest of the world is looking to the US is to wonder which nation the US will bomb and plunder next.
Its not what I think, I am just quoting from the commentary from nations this time last year relative to the economic crisis, when they said that "until the US recovers, we won't either". But who knows, the world may better off without us at center stage. And yet we can't just walk away from the world's challenges. We all have to work together. (Global warming for example.) As for bombs, this country has made some mistakes for sure. I don't agree with the notion of "plunder" though.
Not really. Have you checked out who the Iraqis have awarded state oil contracts to lately? Its not us. The French are cleaning up. Please don't get me wrong, I am not defending our foreign policy, it stinks, but what was plundered was our very own US Treasury in favor of Cheney cronies and defense contractors. (An inside job.) :-)
While I am posting... I might as well get it out. There are three big topics on my mind these days, 1) health care reform, 2) foreclosure prevention (no recovery otherwise), and 3) energy independence. As to no. 3, could we please close the "SUV Tax Loophole" (pls Google it if you are not aware that it exists... a $25K deduction still in effect) and include all these vehicles in the fleet mileage efficiency mandates? We don't have 10 years to get this right. Revamp now please.
What about a 100% tax on "bonus" pay packages, both in the monopolistic health ins coompanies and the TARP related financial sector? Just put the entire amount back into the Treasury to offset Medicare and unemployment. costs. Tthis really has become a "Gilded Age".
As you know however, this will never happen, as the Senate will block any such measure as it has done with every important piece of legislation in the past 10 - 20 years and as it will do also on health care reform. Sorry.
Will someone, please offer a bill to eliminate the health insurance company MONOPOLIES which has been in effect since 1947 when they were deemed exempt from anti-trust laws? The CEO at Wellpoint Health Ins. makes $10 Million per year, WHILE they denying claims! It is the blood money of a monopolist.
Wipe out their anit-trust law exemptions and let the Justice Dept. go to work.
Come on people now.... enough is enough. No more monopolies!
It's a fake war so the Rothschilds can have their 500 billion dollar a year opium trade.
Let me tell you something...TEN YEARS and we now create more terrorists than we capture.
The senate stated we pay a million dollars for each soldier per year over there, the soldier only makes 25k on average...where is all the money going HMmmm? All of our income tax was spent on those stinking wars and it gets us NOTHING.
Single payer for ALL. That is the only fair way to reform health care in this country that will work.
Pay for it and these wars by Bush R US(who cuts taxes when were at war?) by raising the tax rate 70 to 90% for all monies for the elites and that means the money they receive from their dividends also, some of these rich people don't pay anything in taxes.
Take away personage for Corporations, what kind of idea was this anyway?
I think it Hypocrisy for those who demagogue Health Care for all as Government intrusion, are using the issue of anti-choice in reproductive rights to destroy it.
After bankrupting and destroying thousands of families and lives, Bernie Madoff will receive better health care than 98% of the American taxpayers who will pay to keep him, alive and well for the rest of his life in federal prison...
Perhaps the sick and dying would be better off getting arrested for robbing banks, than spending a decade and their life savings, fighting insurance, drug companies and the failing corporate controlled American Death Care System.
It's not that clear cut. While sometimes a company will pay for a vacation or "fact finding mission" for a congress critter and sometimes they might send a 23 year old lobbyist to suck some cock. But mostly corporate contributions come in the form of "bundling" of campaign donations
I get the feeling that the country's leaders in business and politics are living in the cozy delusion of "No one could have foreseen" when, in fact, many did.
It's as though every crisis, from the Crash, to Health Care, is being approached from scratch, in order not to acknowledge those who got it right, and further evade their conclusions. All mention of foreign approaches are dismissed with a jingoistic sneer.
We'll have a cobbled together bill just in time for the next crash...
I still like my idea of paying premiums directly to family clinics. (see the video response I posted here)
The only way to control costs is to put everyone on salary, make anything to do with medicine non-profit, and allow doctors to practice medicine NOT business. In a clinic they can consult w/ each other to prevent malpractice.
I don't believe that people need to be motivated by huge profits in order to accomplish their chosen fields of healthcare. A good salary is all anyone needs.
If that were true, then why are people charged enormous sums at emergency rooms, which are over-crowded. I break costs down by the hour, the cost and durability of equipment, and by the amount of doctors needed for a procedure. In a non-profit system, cost of hospitals per year divided by the percentage of usage a patient would have required. Right now, those costs are arbitrary and ridiculous.
Emergency rooms are inefficient regardless of size because the current system has people with preventable illnesses showing up there. Diabetics for example show up when they're about to run out of insulin so they are processed for their minor thing by a resident physician being paid $60+ an hour to do something a pharmacist could do
That would make a resident's cost $1.00 per minute (w/ tax etc $2.00) Double that to include nurse etc
For a 10 minute exam the real cost would be $40. plus use of facility and med supplies. Bought in bulk, minimal cost. Use of facility, at most comparable to doctor fee.
Thus, the REAL cost of a visit to emerg. room about $150. Nevertheless, patients are charged thousands of dollars per service rendered (an accountant's dream). This forces people to buy insurance.
You're totally right that people are overbilled. You won't get a disagreement from me. Though I have to say that there is much, much more overhead than just the doctor's salary. I was more speaking in terms of waste.. But still making a resident take time out of helping others to dispense drugs is a waste of resources.
Don't get distracted there's many inefficiencies built into the system as is.
I couldn't find your video.... but hey, I just thought of something. What If I had a "clinic" staffed with physicians that offered a membership like a Fitness Club. Rather than me re-inventing the wheel... Anyone know of existing models out there in the world I can duplicate? We need a system that will foster innovation in health care. :-)
What you seem to be describing is an HMO - Health Maintenance Organization. They were gaining popularity many years ago but seem to have faded away. The idea is the HMO would make more profit if it's clients remained healthy rather then the traditional model where health providers make more profit when clients are sick.
Thanks for that. I will look in on every angle of HMO's and history and all. I am just brainstorming. What if I had a "Doc In The Box" but you can join it... and they have a pilates room (or whatever) and you get four doctor visits per year free. It is like a club. If anything big happens beyond that your insurance will kick in. I am just having fun thinking about it... is all. Thanks again.
I re-posted my video response, but the video is on the front page of my channel. "Healthcare without insurance" which is only a piece of what I have put on my website at StarlightGazette ( com).
I really like my idea, and it solves all the problems everyone has. Insurance co's have lost their rights, and should be closed up and jailed.
The Stupak Amendment. It's funny that the people who were saying that the government should stay out of health care were all on board for the government telling women what they can do with their bodies.
i don't have a problem with women doing whatever they want with their bodies. its funny that you all prochoice people call it "women's body". sounds almost like they're denied the right to take showers... give me a break. the issue here is the bodies of unborn. give them a chance a to live.
That's a phenomenally astute point, crateguy. And sadly, it's so very typical of these people. No abortion, but they just LOVE it when the state executes someone.
It´s an amazing hypocrisy. Something else that is also missing in the abortion debate is the fact that outlawing abortion does not lower the amount of abortions. It pushes those that dont have money to do illegal abortions often with dangerous or even fatal results, while the ones that have money go to another country where they can get abortion legally by a doctor.
Honestly the fundamentalists are somewhat repulsive. Thumping the bible but they have no compassion. What would Jesus do? ....
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The card in the bottom part of the frame at 3.00 is an Australian Medicare card. I have one. It's a great system and it works well. You can subsidize it with extra private insurance if you want. I do that. At the end of the year you pay a reasonable tax on your gross income. Something like 1.5 % it usually comes off your normal deductions. Simple.
Thanks for continuing to demand a public option. Thanks for all you do, Senators Sanders. At least one US politician is standing by his campaign promises. I only wish you were my senator here in California. You humble me.
LeelaSavage 2 years ago
he just signed on to this bill that was not unchanged.. exept for more pork :(
ceylous3121 2 years ago
I would like to see every no saying republican senator to vote against heath insurance? I cant wait for the next Election.
sommeflame34 2 years ago
All you did was justify the accusation of conservatives offering nothing but hatred and division.
Have a nice day.
MrRoboto81 2 years ago
Rasmussen had support for the public option at 60%. And this is a rightward leaning poll, mind you.
MrRoboto81 2 years ago
Really? The most recent poll I saw shows 60 %. And that was from Rasmussen, the darling poll of the right. Which poll are you referring to?
MrRoboto81 2 years ago
Tired of getting notifications? Boo hoo.
You still have a small conservative dick.
Not as small as your mind, however.
bapyou 2 years ago
Hey. Your grammar is improving.
But you still have a small dick.
bapyou 2 years ago 2
"God your an idiot"
God your grammar is non-existent.
As is your argument and data.
"Random shit"? Look at your own posts.
Polls say a MAJORITY of Americans want a public option. Look up the word MAJORITY.
Fucking hate-filled moron. Get a motherfucking life.
bapyou 2 years ago 2
All of you politicians knew what was going on, and only a handful have stood up for our Republic and the Constitution. Don't BS me with your fake populism. We're taking our country back, wait and see.
TerminusTechnocrat 2 years ago
"get your liberal fuck to europe"?
And this means what in your tortured version of written English?
"35% of Americans ... want ... Public Option"
More false data. Fox News = false reporting. You should know that by now. A MAJORITY of Americans want a public option. (Note: Majority = >50%)
Still think it's YOUR country?
Get down with your narcissistic self. Fall in love with that mirror, tiny dick.
bapyou 2 years ago
Well, if you think Presidential politics is all that there is to politics, then I'm supremely happy, becasue you'll be blindsided by true activism when it hits you.
Other than that, you haven't -- nor can you -- refute anything that I've posted here about you. You're a cliched moron, a phrase that's decriptive of every American who decides to call themselves a "CONservative" today.
Conservatives offer this country nothing but hatred & division. Americans are tired of these.
bapyou 2 years ago
Afghanistan "founded by liberals"?
Out of which dark region of your anus do you pull this stuff?
This country, you small-dicked white boy, was founded on ideas gathered from Europe's Enlightenment period.
Of course, if conservatism wasn't dying the horrible death that it is right now, you knuckle draggers would pull us all back to 1352 if you could. ("Enlightenment" is not a concept anyone associates with any so-called "conservatives" in 2009 America. More like ... Stone Age.)
bapyou 2 years ago
About what have I lied?
Nothing. That's what.
It's obvious that you can't take the truth about the fascism of right wing turds like yourself thrown in your face.
And you have the stupid mindless nerve to repeat the same line that every conservative asshole repeats about 15 million times a day:
"We work; liberals get welfare and sit on their asses."
Tell it to me one more time, you worthless hate-filled red neck closet fag. Tell it to me again, so I can bust you in the skull.
bapyou 2 years ago
"Get out of my country"
That's right. It's YOUR country.
Look, you fucking scum bag: Do you even happen to like the concept called democracy? Do you even happen to KNOW what it entails?
Here's your quote for the day, you tiny-brained limp-dicked twat:
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag." - Huey P. Long
You've been bitch-slapped by the best. Consider it an honour, you horror of a human being.
bapyou 2 years ago
I will never be able to prove my points to you because you cannot even read. And if you did read, you are too dumb to interpret it. And if you did interpret it, you would be too dumb to heed your own advice. lol Someone like you they call insane. You keep doing the same thing over and over hoping for a different result. You are as dumb as red west Texas dirt boy.
jay123jd 2 years ago 2
I have never seen a party or constituency so hellbent on forgetting history as the republicon party. It is just laughable. You teabaggers are dumber than a box of rocks and probably weigh twice as much.
jay123jd 2 years ago 5
@CoolVideoGameVideos Bush entered office with a $4.6 trillion surplus but paradoxially left with an $11.2 trillion deficit. WTF Do any of you airheads even care? He came into office with 4% unemployment but left with 8% unemployment. Can any of you airheads say WTF? When he left office in 2008 DOW closed at a post 1997 low. What is all this; water under the bridge, let bygones be bygones, we will live to fight another day? You rightwingers are definitely some cumdrunk republicons.
jay123jd 2 years ago
Or a better idea might be that you go enlist. The Democratic Party is too busy trying to clean up two illegal wars costing us billions a week and the Republicans have looted the treasury as we said they would. Maybe it is you that should leave and go make friends with the Taliban but first start by enlisting - once you come back with lost limbs (gives me happy goose bumps thinking about it) and inability to obtain healthcare you may just have a little credibility. Whiny sickening con.
callouschristian 2 years ago 2
@callouschristian Republicons are a socialistic disease. If we could shake their bug this country would be be on a path of wellness and prosperity. If there is a way to make a buck on the backs of the American worker, a republicon will exploit it for all its worth. Sad that many in this country do not see republicons for what they are: a wolf in sheeps clothing.
jay123jd 2 years ago
callouschristian, you and I are talking to the most uneducated form of life on this planet. REPUBLICONS. If satan himself served as their leader, they would be none the wiser. All they know is fuzzy math learned at a fast-food till. They count on their fingers just like their mommies taught them at home. They would not know how we got this deficit if THE GOOD LORD himself wrote it in stone.
jay123jd 2 years ago 4
If you really want to fix anything we at least need to liquidate the repubican party but a more affective strategy would be to bury them in a big hole. Republcans are only good at creating damage. They are an anti-American Terrorist Organization.
callouschristian 2 years ago
BERNIE IN 2012
anolmec 2 years ago
I <3 Socialists
LoveToday8 2 years ago
what's the point; liberalism is a psychosis, this video proves it.
This health plan is good for no one. There is no money for it. Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security are all going bankrupt. How's a government takeover of health coverage going to fix anything.
IamInfidel 2 years ago
What do you think of the money spent on military adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan? Are you in favour of an attack on Iran? That might cost taxpayers more than what Iraq/Afghanistan has already
SC88213 2 years ago
We are increasingly not 'The UNITED States of America'. We are becoming 'The DIVIDED States of America'. Why should individual states be able to 'opt in' or 'opt out' on healthcare?! This should be implemented NATIONALLY! A person in Alaska, or Florida, or New York, or Minnesota needs proper healthcare just as much as anyone in any state.
AudiophileTubes 2 years ago
I live in Texas and with Perry for a governor I bet you a dollar to a donut they opt out of the plan. Perry is a tenther and a birther and a civil war re-enactor. LOL (I do not think Texas was involved in the civil war) He was not dealt a full hand and shows his ass at the most inoppurtune times.
jay123jd 2 years ago
We also know about "Juneteenth" where slaves were kept in chains long after emancipation. Nothing is impossible. There is a strong but not vocal Democratic Base in Texas that needs to stop listening to the republican nay sayers who could actually more accurately be labelled terrorists by now.
callouschristian 2 years ago
Thanks for your question for Senator Sanders leftofcenter44!
bravenewfilms 2 years ago
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canaan1967 2 years ago
The Repubs are going DIRECTLY against the will of their constituents. Polls have shown that the public option is preferred by 56-77% of Americans (depending on the poll and the phrasing of the question). The next elections will be a referendum that Repubs will need to respond to or else fade away.
TheDuckofLaw 2 years ago
I'm certainly glad to know that Bernie Sanders is in the Senate. I wish there were more like him in Washington DC. I hope Sen. Sanders is right; that once ONE state goes to single payer, the rest of the nation will follow. Then I recall that the Senate also has sleazy people like Lieberman. I hope the good guys like Sanders pull this healthcare debate/reform off--one way or another.
Paolo7219 2 years ago 3
OOPS!. I meant to push the "thumbs up". But I totally agree. I too think Senator Sanders is a shrewd negotiator. He is putting enough in so the Blue Dogs have something to cut and we still wind up with something that works. But without a strong public option, this will be the biggest corporate giveaway in history. One sixth of US economy shoveled into the coffers of the Ins. Co.s. and beyond their wildest dreams. Their champagne is already bought and chilled. Lord help us.
Randolino 2 years ago
Right on!! A politician who is not afraid to say that we need a single payer system! Go Sanders!
srlasky 2 years ago 3
A friend in England asked me to explain the case *against* healthcare reform in this country, and I couldn't do it without making opponents sound like a bunch of blithering idiots (and I honestly tried REALLY hard not to. How does one defend people who compare being given an additional insurance option to "Nazi Germany" without sounding completely nuts?)
BI30 2 years ago 2
It's easy. The US allows legal bribery of politicians by corporations. That bribery is called "campaign contributions" and exists because of a legal fiction that corporations are persons and as such have the same free speech rights and other rights that natural persons have.
JWKessler 2 years ago 4
Health care in USA is screwed from YEARS of corporate greed. Their PR companies have fooled the gullible into believing this debate is about the sanctity of our national identity: freedom, and the triumph of capitalism over competing ideologies. Bah humbug. It's about insurance companies being vampires preying on the vulnerable, and controlling a system that should be control by science and compassion. And some people buy it! HA! I got some swampland to sell ya sucker!
VideoProductionTips 2 years ago 2
See, the insurance companies are not even sweating the idea of no denials for pre-existing conditions. They already know how to deal with it - just MORE of the same, A HUGE INCREASE IN MORE DENIALS FOR THE NECESSARY CARE REQUIRED!! I also believe that we AMERICANS need to take more responsibility for what we are choosing to eat. 9 or 10 biscuits has to stop, 6 0r 7 chickens has to stop!! Eat natural foods as well and make smarter choices!!
refusetoassimilate 2 years ago
I believe this ENTIRE debate on health care reform is COMPLETELY idiotic!! The ONLY REAL SOLUTION is to do away with the current health care for profit insurance system that has been in place since Nixon made it so!! While you think about that, think about this as well - if the Senate does pass this bill coming to them soon where health insurance companies can no longer deny you for pre-existing conditions THERE WILL BE EVEN MORE DENIALS OF NECESSARY CARE NEEDED!!
refusetoassimilate 2 years ago 2
I didn't like Nixon any more than anyone else but he isn't solely responsible for this. It's his entire party.
mikelz48 2 years ago
Thanks so much for your comment! I agree with you 100%!! Republicans have to prove to me that executive compensation at the insurance companies, that comes solely from denials for necessary care is justified. I have an interesting fact for you: 60% of all bankruptcies filed in this country are for medical bills, 80% of those had medical insurance. Now if a new bill can be passed it WILL create more competition,lowering costs, and creating an entrepreneurial spirit among our fellow Americans.
refusetoassimilate 2 years ago 2
Hey refuse what you have stated no republicon wants that information gettin' out. LOL They may look selfish and like a domestic terroist if people really dig a little deeper.
jay123jd 2 years ago
We have ourselves to blame Mikelz48. We have the power to elect people who care about our interests and not those of corporations. There is nothing holding us back from electing better people to represent our interests. Until Americans stop believe the lies, we have ourselves to blame. The cure is Socialism, the disease is Capitalism.
LoveToday8 2 years ago
"There is nothing holding us back from electing better people to represent our interests."
I agree with all you said but unfortunately we know from 2000 and 2004 and probably the gubernatorials of 2002 that votes can be stolen or redirected. The CBO determined "glitches" that allowed this, which were present in those elections, still exist. In other words if someone wants to steal another election the way the cons did, they still can and probably will.
callouschristian 2 years ago
Sad but true but we can still vote in more people who have our interests at heart.
LoveToday8 2 years ago
The world was shocked to see our embarrassing and flaccid recovery efforts after Katrina, so accustomed they were to the myth of our supposedly advanced high tech model of power and might.
Now the levies of the US Economy have broken, and the man made storm of corporate greed and political corruption has flooded our homes, our factories and our institutions.. If it weren't so true, it would be laughable.
Randolino 2 years ago 3
Europeans are laughing at us right now that we are having this debate.
nerminsuljic 2 years ago 3
It has to be worrisome to the entire world as they look to us for the lead out of this mess. And yet they are watching thousands upon thousands of our sick declaring bankruptcy, thousands dying for lack of care, millions of families in foreclosure being thrown in the streets, the homeless, and the mounting unemployment. Unheard of in other modern nations.
Randolino 2 years ago 4
do you honesty think the rest of the world is looking to US for a lead... the US is the largest debtor nation in recorded history. quite the accomplishment considering the dollar is also the world reserve currency. The only thing the rest of the world is looking to the US is to wonder which nation the US will bomb and plunder next.
anolmec 2 years ago 2
Its not what I think, I am just quoting from the commentary from nations this time last year relative to the economic crisis, when they said that "until the US recovers, we won't either". But who knows, the world may better off without us at center stage. And yet we can't just walk away from the world's challenges. We all have to work together. (Global warming for example.) As for bombs, this country has made some mistakes for sure. I don't agree with the notion of "plunder" though.
Randolino 2 years ago
the "notion" of plunder??? I suppose then the US has the oil in Iraq in safekeeping for the Iraq people?
anolmec 2 years ago
Not really. Have you checked out who the Iraqis have awarded state oil contracts to lately? Its not us. The French are cleaning up. Please don't get me wrong, I am not defending our foreign policy, it stinks, but what was plundered was our very own US Treasury in favor of Cheney cronies and defense contractors. (An inside job.) :-)
Peace and Love! It's the only way.
Randolino 2 years ago 2
oil contracts.......3 card monti
anolmec 2 years ago
I wouldn't doubt it. :-)
Randolino 2 years ago
While I am posting... I might as well get it out. There are three big topics on my mind these days, 1) health care reform, 2) foreclosure prevention (no recovery otherwise), and 3) energy independence. As to no. 3, could we please close the "SUV Tax Loophole" (pls Google it if you are not aware that it exists... a $25K deduction still in effect) and include all these vehicles in the fleet mileage efficiency mandates? We don't have 10 years to get this right. Revamp now please.
Randolino 2 years ago 3
What about a 100% tax on "bonus" pay packages, both in the monopolistic health ins coompanies and the TARP related financial sector? Just put the entire amount back into the Treasury to offset Medicare and unemployment. costs. Tthis really has become a "Gilded Age".
As you know however, this will never happen, as the Senate will block any such measure as it has done with every important piece of legislation in the past 10 - 20 years and as it will do also on health care reform. Sorry.
Randolino 2 years ago 2
oh fuck way to depress me right at the very first 4 seconds.
NuLLx42 2 years ago
what about a tax on individuals making over $1 mil
a year??
mclaire12
mclaire12 2 years ago
AGREED! Get rid of the damn insurance companies! Single payer for all-lets not be timid about this.
Surrealist6 2 years ago 5
Will someone, please offer a bill to eliminate the health insurance company MONOPOLIES which has been in effect since 1947 when they were deemed exempt from anti-trust laws? The CEO at Wellpoint Health Ins. makes $10 Million per year, WHILE they denying claims! It is the blood money of a monopolist.
Wipe out their anit-trust law exemptions and let the Justice Dept. go to work.
Come on people now.... enough is enough. No more monopolies!
Randolino 2 years ago 9
Thank you Senator Sanders for speaking the truth and working so hard for us!
stana22 2 years ago 3
at least we got the real trigger it will hopefully make it so we have a real public option and universal healthcare its bout time something gets done
kazooga1234 2 years ago
There is no winning in Afganistan
It's a fake war so the Rothschilds can have their 500 billion dollar a year opium trade.
Let me tell you something...TEN YEARS and we now create more terrorists than we capture.
The senate stated we pay a million dollars for each soldier per year over there, the soldier only makes 25k on average...where is all the money going HMmmm? All of our income tax was spent on those stinking wars and it gets us NOTHING.
END THE DAM WARS
rungy07 2 years ago 7
Single payer for ALL. That is the only fair way to reform health care in this country that will work.
Pay for it and these wars by Bush R US(who cuts taxes when were at war?) by raising the tax rate 70 to 90% for all monies for the elites and that means the money they receive from their dividends also, some of these rich people don't pay anything in taxes.
Take away personage for Corporations, what kind of idea was this anyway?
knowhelpnow 2 years ago 4
The anti - choice movement is, simply, mysogyny, and needs to be always referred to in that way. Mysogyny.
grouchyolgeeze 2 years ago
THE Solution IS Single Payer.
Anything else give Government AND Big Business Control and TAKES Control from We The People!
YankeeTom63 2 years ago
@YankeeTom63
I'm with you on this.
knowhelpnow 2 years ago
I think it Hypocrisy for those who demagogue Health Care for all as Government intrusion, are using the issue of anti-choice in reproductive rights to destroy it.
YankeeTom63 2 years ago 2
After bankrupting and destroying thousands of families and lives, Bernie Madoff will receive better health care than 98% of the American taxpayers who will pay to keep him, alive and well for the rest of his life in federal prison...
Perhaps the sick and dying would be better off getting arrested for robbing banks, than spending a decade and their life savings, fighting insurance, drug companies and the failing corporate controlled American Death Care System.
C.H.A.O.S.
PeaceProfit 2 years ago 4
How about all the senators who took health insurance company bribes foot the bill?
RadarKat73080 2 years ago 7
@RadarKat73080
It's not that clear cut. While sometimes a company will pay for a vacation or "fact finding mission" for a congress critter and sometimes they might send a 23 year old lobbyist to suck some cock. But mostly corporate contributions come in the form of "bundling" of campaign donations
LeopardFrogPilboxhat 2 years ago
The word "joke" in your vocabulary?
RadarKat73080 2 years ago
I get the feeling that the country's leaders in business and politics are living in the cozy delusion of "No one could have foreseen" when, in fact, many did.
It's as though every crisis, from the Crash, to Health Care, is being approached from scratch, in order not to acknowledge those who got it right, and further evade their conclusions. All mention of foreign approaches are dismissed with a jingoistic sneer.
We'll have a cobbled together bill just in time for the next crash...
facelesshorseman 2 years ago 4
I still like my idea of paying premiums directly to family clinics. (see the video response I posted here)
The only way to control costs is to put everyone on salary, make anything to do with medicine non-profit, and allow doctors to practice medicine NOT business. In a clinic they can consult w/ each other to prevent malpractice.
I don't believe that people need to be motivated by huge profits in order to accomplish their chosen fields of healthcare. A good salary is all anyone needs.
ActsOfFreedom 2 years ago 4
@ActsOfFreedom
That really wouldn't work because the savings come with economics of scale. The larger the scale the more in savings over overhead.
LeopardFrogPilboxhat 2 years ago
@LeopardFrogPilboxhat
If that were true, then why are people charged enormous sums at emergency rooms, which are over-crowded. I break costs down by the hour, the cost and durability of equipment, and by the amount of doctors needed for a procedure. In a non-profit system, cost of hospitals per year divided by the percentage of usage a patient would have required. Right now, those costs are arbitrary and ridiculous.
ActsOfFreedom 2 years ago
@ActsOfFreedom
Emergency rooms are inefficient regardless of size because the current system has people with preventable illnesses showing up there. Diabetics for example show up when they're about to run out of insulin so they are processed for their minor thing by a resident physician being paid $60+ an hour to do something a pharmacist could do
LeopardFrogPilboxhat 2 years ago
@LeopardFrog
That would make a resident's cost $1.00 per minute (w/ tax etc $2.00) Double that to include nurse etc
For a 10 minute exam the real cost would be $40. plus use of facility and med supplies. Bought in bulk, minimal cost. Use of facility, at most comparable to doctor fee.
Thus, the REAL cost of a visit to emerg. room about $150. Nevertheless, patients are charged thousands of dollars per service rendered (an accountant's dream). This forces people to buy insurance.
ActsOfFreedom 2 years ago
@ActsOfFreedom
You're totally right that people are overbilled. You won't get a disagreement from me. Though I have to say that there is much, much more overhead than just the doctor's salary. I was more speaking in terms of waste.. But still making a resident take time out of helping others to dispense drugs is a waste of resources.
Don't get distracted there's many inefficiencies built into the system as is.
LeopardFrogPilboxhat 2 years ago
I couldn't find your video.... but hey, I just thought of something. What If I had a "clinic" staffed with physicians that offered a membership like a Fitness Club. Rather than me re-inventing the wheel... Anyone know of existing models out there in the world I can duplicate? We need a system that will foster innovation in health care. :-)
Randolino 2 years ago
What you seem to be describing is an HMO - Health Maintenance Organization. They were gaining popularity many years ago but seem to have faded away. The idea is the HMO would make more profit if it's clients remained healthy rather then the traditional model where health providers make more profit when clients are sick.
JWKessler 2 years ago
Thanks for that. I will look in on every angle of HMO's and history and all. I am just brainstorming. What if I had a "Doc In The Box" but you can join it... and they have a pilates room (or whatever) and you get four doctor visits per year free. It is like a club. If anything big happens beyond that your insurance will kick in. I am just having fun thinking about it... is all. Thanks again.
Randolino 2 years ago
@Randolino
I re-posted my video response, but the video is on the front page of my channel. "Healthcare without insurance" which is only a piece of what I have put on my website at StarlightGazette ( com).
I really like my idea, and it solves all the problems everyone has. Insurance co's have lost their rights, and should be closed up and jailed.
ActsOfFreedom 2 years ago
The Stupak Amendment. It's funny that the people who were saying that the government should stay out of health care were all on board for the government telling women what they can do with their bodies.
crateguy 2 years ago 5
i don't have a problem with women doing whatever they want with their bodies. its funny that you all prochoice people call it "women's body". sounds almost like they're denied the right to take showers... give me a break. the issue here is the bodies of unborn. give them a chance a to live.
andremzk 2 years ago
That's a phenomenally astute point, crateguy. And sadly, it's so very typical of these people. No abortion, but they just LOVE it when the state executes someone.
billyshake 2 years ago 3
It´s an amazing hypocrisy. Something else that is also missing in the abortion debate is the fact that outlawing abortion does not lower the amount of abortions. It pushes those that dont have money to do illegal abortions often with dangerous or even fatal results, while the ones that have money go to another country where they can get abortion legally by a doctor.
Honestly the fundamentalists are somewhat repulsive. Thumping the bible but they have no compassion. What would Jesus do? ....
Thealazor 2 years ago 4
the problem is simple, build and privatize more prisons to fill with people who refuse to be forced to pay insurance.
Then torture them.
TheHaightAshbury 2 years ago
The penalty for not paying for this new insurance is a tax, not jail time.
crateguy 2 years ago 2
Criminal penalties:
Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:
Section 7203 misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
Section 7201 felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years. [page 3]
TheHaightAshbury 2 years ago
What page of the bill? There is no section 7201...
lilsorms202 2 years ago
also the word misdemeanor never appears and felony appears once to prevent identity theft.
lilsorms202 2 years ago
this is why they did not allow the public to see the bill before it was voted on.
72 hours on the net? more lies!
TheHaightAshbury 2 years ago
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lilsorms202 2 years ago
My rep posted the House bill on his website Oct. 29th. Which is over 200 hours before it was passed.
lilsorms202 2 years ago
Is it mandatory? I thought this already passed in the house. So now the senate will change it more?
djgiga 2 years ago
The card in the bottom part of the frame at 3.00 is an Australian Medicare card. I have one. It's a great system and it works well. You can subsidize it with extra private insurance if you want. I do that. At the end of the year you pay a reasonable tax on your gross income. Something like 1.5 % it usually comes off your normal deductions. Simple.
seamoremonster 2 years ago
Sanders is my favorite congressional politician. It makes me want to move to Vermont.
wayne388 2 years ago 3
Single Payer or Bust!
PersonalJesus348 2 years ago 2
I'm looking for it passing all together. At least I can finally get health care.
Forsakenedtears 2 years ago 4
Senator Sanders always speaking the truth no doubt.
dopeskies 2 years ago 7