Fight Club Consumerism

[MTCoblivsicas12345]

this guy is a fucking nob head, the things you own end up owning you it means that if you have items such as your I Pod you own that, but the company ends up owning you because you spend so much because you constantly need to satisfy yourself by buying a new I Pod.

Money has never made man happy, nor will it, there is nothing in its nature to produce happiness. The more of it one has the more one wants.

Benjamin Franklin said that and hes my true hero.

[Hatilix]

W T F

[Dracus27]

lol

[samelf07]

This fucker is a slave to white collars. He's going to end up working a job that he hates to pay for shit that he doesn't need, unable to properly pleasure a woman. This is our great depression.

[NightSurfer47]

@halflinks Yes, but it is not in our nature to want to buy a new tv set or fancy car or to own the latest this and that. We strive for these things because it is in our nature to strive for SOMETHING, unfortunately all of our basic needs have been met and we no longer need to fight for shelter or food or water. So instead we focus that energy on consuming. However, we are less satisfied when we focus our energy on that instead of our basic needs. In other words, we are less happy in a capitalis

[MTCoblivsicas12345]

@NightSurfer47 your right Maslow studied what motivates us he created a heirarchy of needs (btw this is for motivation at work). Firstly is basic needs e.g water,food,shelter. Secondly is Saftey e.g job security. Thirdly Social needs e.g relationships. Next is Status e.g promotion to better job. Finally is self-actualisation which we are happy with ourselves and the work we are doing. Maslow said each one has to be completed before we can move on to the next.

[MyRandomVlog]

NO NO NO@ YOU FUCKING FAIL NO!!!! you just...wow..-facepalm- you just had to ruin fight club...

[clonuk]

the things you own ,own you meaning what would you do with out xbox or computer or ipods.go out side?

so they control what your doing.....dumbass

yes...i agree with being a consumer

but i also like this movie and under standing it to the fullest

[dortyhoor]

Get out of the bloody pub if you want more time whinging student.

I still found time to do college, get K'ed up and still passed, bloody whinging middle class wet bastard, the sort to wave a black flag but not give up the car daddy buys him for his 18th birthday.

Is it tablet time yet

[rencrow]

jolly good show can i have a cuppa now?

[iceborn999]

certainly old boy

[bencotswold]

could have at least put a liquid in the beer glass that wasnt so obviously water

[rcinferno]

Naff acting, naff script, naff editing you've screwed Fight Club for me, forever. Who is this guy ruining a perfectly good scene dood?1?1

Oh wait...it's me, almost 4 years ago, in a lesson a school, attempting to make a video with the rest of the class that manages to explain consumerism...kinda.

P.S the haircut was not wasted, uber mod was in, at some point in time.

[metalfighter91]

I'm Ageowns' wasted haircut...

[nightmind919]

haha

[lapwiz]

What a WANKER flick!

[TheParodyPeople]

Tyler: If you could fight anyone who would you fight?

Me: This asshole

[aperfectnin]

bravo

[hbachmann2]

baaaaaaaaad -.-

[Athrax2013]

lame lame lame

[StickyBadger]

BAD!! DO NOT FUCK UP FIGHT CLUB!!! - 10 points

[jaydee102291]

I hope this guy gets hit by a fucking bus

[SCOOTERBALLUSA]

What ya fighting about the plastic credit card paying for your penal implant can get in the green in Vegas as the women pimp you inot STARDUMB. Keep the fountain of Youth in your Pants.

[Zwartekaka]

That guy is a fuck. I hate him. No talent, no brains, nothing. I really want to fight this asshole.

[movieposterboy]

If we wer like we were in fucking Prehestoric times we wouldnt think. "Oh shit i need an Ipod!" because we wouldnt no what one is. Im pretty Sure that Prehastoric people were a lot happier wen they wer most ignorant. Ignorance is bliss. I just wish i more ignorant because i wouldnt have to answer this fucking question.

[furnacefire]

I kind of see your point....but I see it in a much different prospective......if we were back in the "cave" days, we would be living in harmony with the planet ...that's how I refer to prehistoric times.....the "harmonic days". The days where we weren't killing the air, water and land. AAhhh such good ol' times...no smog to breath in....no garbage to bury...no forests to destroy..AAhhh the harmonic days.

peace, love and light to us all~~~

namaste~~~

[movieposterboy]

Yh but ignorance is bliss i gess.

And in prehistoric times ther was not as much as a heirachy as ther is in todays world. It was tribal and communal.

People would'nt go oh ok i want to go and get something from the fridge cos ther wasnt a fridge so they had to hunt and understood the effort and saw no other way about it.

[mansouralmamy]

can u guys stop speaking nonsene. Have you seen this guy's acting? he's horrible sorry..well, so is the script

[filmenthusiast4life]

Not all men have to blow up their apartments and create a fight club to feel masculine, but Jack needed to do so. Other men probably feel masculine in other ways like changing tires or playing football. That is enough for some guys to feel complete. Maybe some men today feel plenty masculine and don't need a drastic change like fight club to help them feel complete (like c4kem). Maybe all men are seeking that completeness though, subconsciously, through whatever means lets them feel complete.

[movieposterboy]

If us humans always want more in life by our consumership nature. How the fuck do we realise we are successful? You see Consumerism only labels success on the reach of your possessions and your fucking credit accounts. The mentality fight club takes is that we can be enlightened by giving up all of these. That we cannot be enlightened. All we can do is to go deep deep down till we sink to the bottom. Then we are truly enlightened by not being enlightened (If you kinda understand what im saying)

[omg89bp4ever]

Then what should men of this generation do to regain this lost masculinity? They can't walk around creating new fight clubs all over the place now can they? Is just watching a movie really supposed to make them find their masculinity again? Why can't they just be masculine without having to go out and kill things or watch destructive things? Aren't they still going out and providing for the family, even if it is in an office job? Why is that so emasculating?

[JohnnyFever00]

Why is an office job emasculating. Perhaps b/c there are likely several women working alongside men or women who are men's bosses. (There is a rejection of women in Fight Club - "Maybe another woman is not the answer.")

[JohnnyFever00]

Fight Club doesn't give a man back his masculinity, but it does remind him that he has most likely lost it. Consumerism (aka, shopping) is something only women did 50 years ago. Nowadays, Jack shows, men like him know (unfortunately) what "Dakapo halogen torchiere['s]" are and can identify non-primary colors: cornflower blue, fuschia, cobalt, heather, orchid (p.44). These are things only women used to know. No wonder some/most men are questioning their own masculinity these days...

[omg89bp4ever]

Why is it only necessary for women to know about these things? Women have had to learn about all the masculine workings of the world and they can still put on high heels and go to work and raise the children and cook dinner. Shouldn't the same be expected of men? If Fight Club doesn't give men back their masculinity, but only reminds them of their loss, then what is its purpose in the first place?

[chockmah67]

most women don't raise children properly these days because they've become so selfish with their jobs they've forgotten what nature bestowed upon them. Alot of them don't have time to cook dinner either & these days many men do that 4 women. fighting shouldnt be mans answer either, hippies in the 60s seemed a great way to live but the corporates despised them & dismantled this hippy structure. genYs are the new baby boomers, pity they don't want to include genx in their fun & adventurous living.

[JimmySmers]

They are emasculated because they don't believe in anything besides status and comfort.

[vvenice79]

IMHO Jack can sleep again because he is finally happy. He has salvaged a part of himself (masculinity) that he was unknowingly missing. Maybe all men in today's society walk around without realizing their absence of masculinity, but that does not mean it doesn't exist. And then once they find it through watching movies like Fight Club, they reconnect with a part of themselves.

[Zwartekaka]

There are stupid people. And those who are stupid willalways get fuckd. Scratch that, not stupid but not wise.

[filmenthusiast4life]

I want to know what ageowns thinks about all of this!

[filmenthusiast4life]

That's why I don't think it can be a stereotype if we see it all around. Edward Norton (aka Jack) represents the trend. He feels like he has to get rid of everything feminine, like consuming, to feel masculine. As vvenice said, he needed something masculine to do, to make him feel manly, like fight club. Maybe he NEEDS this to feel masculine because he doesn't have that anywhere else in his life. Maybe with fight club he's more complete and therefore happier. Just a thought.

[c4kem0nger]

Right, I agree with you there, but I think that its not so much the masculine aspect of fight club that makes it so valuable to him as it is the completeness aspect, that its not something especially masculine to do as it is something at all to do, that he cares about. I am willing to concede the point that perhaps the masculine aspect is why he cares, but I don't think the satisfaction of a desire for masculinity is why he can sleep - self-help groups did that, too.

[filmenthusiast4life]

I don't think it's stereotyping, I think it's just the trend happening. Think about it. Men used to work in fields and had to be strong to survive. After the industrial revolution where did men work? In factories. They no longer had to be strong or work with their hands, do all of those "masculine" things. Now what do men do? Especially middle-class American men work in offices where no really masculine skill is needed. I learned about this trend in my gender class.

[vvenice79]

I think it can be argued that Jack is "really" happier once he joins Fight Club. In his old life he never slept, so nothing felt real. He did not feel dead or alive. Fight Club gave him that feeling of life, if nothing else. Maybe that is because men naturally need to exert their masculinity in order to feel complete.

[omg89bp4ever]

Yeah, isn't the whole idea behind consumerism emasculating men? And it's not even that simple. It isn't until "Jack" gives up his whole life (job, house, everything!) and submits completely to Fight Club that he is truly happy.

[c4kem0nger]

Is he really happy though? Or can he just sleep. He cures his insomnia by replacing it with a alternate personality. Maybe he's just happy in the way only an insane person can be. Perhaps its not for everyone, too. What if that british bloke is not trying to find his lost masculinity, but is prefectly happy with the masculinity he has. I mean, I feel masculine enough myself, without doing anything drastic

[omg89bp4ever]

Maybe you're right. Maybe all of this theorizing about the emasculization of men, like vvenice79 talks about, is just all in our heads. How can we be generalizing and stereotyping about an entire gender? That's millions of men to be put into one category.

[filmenthusiast4life]

you're saying once he gets rid of his harry potter duvet, he will be more manly?

[vvenice79]

To omh89bp4ever-

What's the big deal? The big deal is that men now spend their lives consuming rather than producing. Yes, this is a product of society, but what is it doing to men? Jack (the narrator) spends all of his time consuming and obsessing over furniture catalogs and whatnot and this only leads to a miserable life. He is much happier once he shuns consumerism and joins Fight Club.

Sorry this comment is so long!

[omg89bp4ever]

And what about Tyler (Brad's) point about consumerism affecting masculinity? Isn't that what Fight Club is all about? If consumerism is an extension of "the biological drive to consume and live," then why is it such big deal that men have been made into consumers rather than hunter-gatherers?

[JimmySmers]

No one needs to live in a million dollar house or drive a $200,000 car, the total hours of effort (the person's life itself) given to obtain these foolish things is a loss of humanity.

[c4kem0nger]

additionally, is there a pressing reason to stop consuming? I mean, thats what life does, it consumes. Some consume other lifeforms, others consume energy. The consumer behavior of people is simple a logical extension of the biological drive to consume and to live.

[Paradoxolog]

Actually humans and animals exist to re-PRODUCE. Any consumption by animals is only what is necessary to reproduce.

Humans show off with their possessions. Men will show their superiority to other men by buying an expensive car. The problem is however that consumerism has tricked us so much into thinking we need all this shit.

Just look at marriage for an example, the guy forks out a ridiculous amount of money for a ring. Who do you think benefits the most? The wife, husband or salesperson.

[iceborn999]

@Paradoxolog

Very good point mate.

[filmenthusiast4life]

Consumerism does seem to be a necessary part of our society, does Brad Pitt really have a point? I mean, sure extravagant lifestyles based on material things can be bad, but there's no way we could ever get everyone to stop consuming right?

[krejzilejzimadrfakr]

i so hope this was sarcasm

[r0ll3dd]

''Stop slagging off consumerism''.

''It's rubbish for the environment consumerism is''.

[kim5608]

you moron he is not talking about money for clothes and shoes

[JimmySmers]

Exactly.....

[Futumch]

Cool vid, nice editing.

I gotta say I don't agree with your angle though. Attacking Durden's stance on consumerism by citing economic arguments is really a straw man fallacy.

Consumerism is the vehicle for emasculation in Fight Club, and what you bypassed in this vid is that it's an aesthetic vehicle without any serious grounding in economics. Attacking aesthetics using economic theory... It just doesn't work.

Anyway, thanks for teaching me about planned obselescence.

[StraightEdgeVeg]

duuude, fucking censorship!?!?!?

why the fuck did you censor penis n shit like that????

[ageowns]

Well... Duuude.

In answer to your well posed question. Mainly for comedic effect. However, the rest of the swear words in the scene to which you refer to so eloquently as 'n shit like that' were removed because this video was made in a school. ;-)

It is not censorship, it is more about making the clip suitable for it's audience.

[StraightEdgeVeg]

ah, alright then.

didn't think of it that way, haha!

awesome vid though, I just realized I didn't say that.

[dowhat93]

Consumerism is good,

MINDLESS consumerism is stupid though.

buying things because we're self-concious about who we really are, because "celebrities" set the trends, because we're really too lazy to work twice as hard so we buy accecories that save us a couple seconds for hundreds of dollars,

because its not "name-brand" enough.

the sad thing is, every single one of us has a little bit of mindless consumerism in us.

:(

[scrutineyes]

sheep

but nearly free

[Kzb75]

the things you own, end up owning you...

its a shame you don't understand one of the most important scenes in that movie and about life in general.

bloody wanker.

[GoLuckyOops]

If the internet or cell phones were not developed under a free market, they would have not developed anywhere nearly as rapidly as they have. (low prices and high competition). In the book Tyler needed a computer to make his underground connections, and blew up the corporation where the narrator worked when someone turned on the office computer.

[mylomaster]

you always act like this when you read a Book or watch a movie?

[GoLuckyOops]

Obviously blowing people up is wrong, violates others rights, but remember the book is speaking metaphorically. One can analyze and form any perspective and openly debate in books. Freedom of information is good and best, for to know one can decide for self. The freedom of information made possible by the internet ensures that big media does not have complete control of the content we view, and that real debate can be held, or one can pursue whatever one decides.

[noisecape]

in the book the only person who blows up is his boss.

the buildings don't explode at the end in the book, and the narrator ends up in a mental asylum.

[UcanbeGOD]

A better ending than the movie had too, I might add! Over all the movie was better imo but the ending in the book was waaaayy better.

[noisecape]

the ending in the book was PWNAGE. haha.

[noisecape]

indeed, the ending in the book is epic.

[GoLuckyOops]

Record labels are a middle man no longer needed, the artists should get a larger share of the earnings of the creation of their creative content, and it is possible with the internet, it costs comparatively practically nothing to distribute. Those of us who believe that the government should protect our freedoms and liberties should do something about it.

[GoLuckyOops]

Don't support products because of an image, don't buy a car only to impress others, or any other crap like that. An Ipod that locks you into only using their encoded content (apple, same as Blu ray, etc). Fancy crap. All crap. And vote libertarian, or read up and vote whatever you think is best.

[JimmySmers]

EXACTLY, almost no one is getting the problem of consumerism, it is ultimately driven by a person's desire to present an image of superiority to others.

[GoLuckyOops]

Hitting rock bottom is not easy, it is hard to admit you are wrong etc. It took the crazy drastic and awesome Tyler to help the narrator see that. Tyler is an image/role model to support not buying things one is told to want! That it is cool to go to school, and not just work so you can buy crap and live an ignorant life at the 7-11.

[noisecape]

lots of important lessons that people should learn from Fight Club.

[noisecape]

hitting bottom can happen in a night, all it takes is losing your job, partner and home.

happens quite often.

[JohnnyFever00]

well Noise, aren't you the cheery fellow -

[noisecape]

I sure as hell am.

[GoLuckyOops]

It is hard to admit a fault, and it is hard work to analyze one's life. Know what you really want. But just because there are bad things going on does not mean that there is no meaning, or that rejecting everything is the answer.

[GoLuckyOops]

There is meaning where we make it. To see the truth, to see the good and the evil sides, to know all information, is to know how to make the right choice. Do something about it. Turn off the TV and it's commercials, don't support such things or products who sell an image of a beach you'll never see (connected to a product with nothing to do with a damn beach!). Rather, support the best product! Support the life you want to live.

[GoLuckyOops]

Turn off the TV, and pick up a book or pick up an instrument or whatever it is you really want to do, etc. Live as if you only live once. As the philosopher Socrates Says, the unexamined life is not worth living. If you don't like it, don't support it! In the words of Tyler, "we watch you while you sleep. Do not F*** with us!"

[dowhat93]

right on!

ever since i was introduced to fight club, i barely ever watch tv now.

just books, music, and movies. :)

[Firefret30003]

I hate what the world has become today. "Celebrities" with no interesting talents become objects of their own vanity, meaning that the children of the world

have no aspiring figure to emulate. So the future of mankind continues on it's downward spiral into entropy and mass extinction until all that was once great about the human race lies buried in the primordial stew to which we'll most certainly return by 2012 where we will have everything we don't need.....

[Dumbourgeois]

when there are coporations making money off thigs we don't need (telemarketing, 2am medical infomercial on mental conditions we all have) that's the negative effects of consumerism. People are convinced we need these items and the madness which it entails is called our economy. especially with internet, these useless junk gets sold across countries while kids make pennies for the sake of corp..tha's globalization. and that's evil.

[cschin1]

Tee shirts are made in some third world sweatshop (probably child labor etc), a logo is ironed on the front, and sold for six times (or more) the price because why? In the book Tyler is an artist and wears clothes from lost and found etc (why so colorful haha). The narrator ultimately rejects Tyler's "self destruction is the answer" conclusion, but learns a lot from him.

[cschin1]

Be careful not to over generalize the meaning of the word consumerism when answering if "consumerism" is good. Competition is good, a free market keeps prices low and competition up, but if it is meant buying things you don't need (or don't really want) because a commercial tells you to, buy things to impress instead of following your dreams its bad.

[cschin1]

The things you own end up owning you, you slave to earn money working 'a job you hate to buy things you don't need'. To impress others, or any other superficial reason. But what do you want, what do you really need? Why do you want it?

[JimmySmers]

Most of what people buy is to impress others.

[adzug]

most ppl have enuff to survive. its the minority that have alot. and even alot of them have enuff and then a little bit more.

[12354blahbla]

WASTE OF 1:45 OF MY TIME. POST THE REAL VERSlON HOMO.

[black1atrax]

great job man. Well put debate

[mack1zero]

you suck and you look like harry potter

[oceanshannon]

does anyone know what the hell they are naying or yaying on?! just thinking here...funny stuff tho...

[Celebryan]

this was bloody brillant.

great job! =]

[notthatbadtoday]

uhhhhhhhhhh the writings on the arm

[Sellouth]

Bad acting.

[picturesonmyeyes]

whatever did we do for the hundreds of thousands of years before adam smith invented meaningful life?

[squeedle]

The things you own end up owning you.

[deepditchdigger]

well done mate

[Krahntes]

I concur.

[BooRadley007]

consummerism may be a good thing, if not for global warming and peakoil.

[BooRadley007]

the things you own end up owning you: ie, i can go to university because i don't have a mortgage to pay or a family to look after, whereas my mate has a mortgate and a family and would not be able to pack in his job and go to university. see:)

[KalandorKoz]

weak

[Blaynert]

but do you need an ipod or are they telling you you do

[thaflash1988]

Nicely made :)

[piszczello]

consumerism is a cause of planned obsolescence. true, we would not be as technologically developed if we didn't have consumersism, but in many ways, wouldnt it be a better world? no, you wouldnt have you ipod or computer, but you wouldnt know of their existence anyway. i think there would be more harmony on the world without consumerism.

[Krahntes]

I concur.

[JimmySmers]

No one ever needed a fucking ipod.

[CesarManiaX]

@JimmySmers I need an iPod so I don't have to carry hundreds of CD's with me whenever I want to listen to music. What's easier? Carrying so many CD's or carrying an iPod

[samelf07]

@CesarManiaX you don't need to carry around music

[CesarManiaX]

@samelf07 Yes I do and so does everybody else who listens to music.

[samelf07]

@CesarManiaX or so you're led to believe. would your life be any different without the ability to tune into your favorite song? are you just a victim of modern society?

[CesarManiaX]

@samelf07 yes it would be different. Stop hating because you can't afford to buy one.

[samelf07]

@CesarManiaX you're missing the point. I do have one buy the way, doesn't make you any less product dependent. you're a slave to the white collars. you're trying to tell me that your life would end without an Ipod? do you have pride in your words? you're openly dependent on materialistic things that are not necessary to your survival. you're words bring me disgust.

[martinshorelinealarm]

Fight Club is my bible

[klebedish]

it is just a movie. you should not take seriously about the meaning of fight club.

[ageowns]

...the bible is just a book.

[OverConfidentDunces]

the word bible, comes from the word biblio, witch means book.

so technically when saying 'the bible' all you're saying is 'book'.

[bigboss8675309]

hahah tell precher man hit em with the truth it is just a book

[Fatboylt2]

"whats worse hell or nothing"

"We are gods unwanted children so be it"

These confuse me

[ageowns]

Fatbotlt2. "We are gods unwanted children so be it"

I guess he means that God is ignoring us, does not want anything to do with us, has no time for us.... just like a father might not want to spend time with an 'unwanted' baby.

[davidgarcia123456]

ok, my explenation.if u remember in the mov Jack says that a per4sons vision of god is their father, taking this into account most ppl notice that jack and tyler dint have father watching them, so they have no god watching them.

[DarkDepts]

"What's worse, hell or nothing" What's worse? An experience, even if it's a bad one. Or nothing at all.

[FlorinLeonte]

NinjasLikeCheese i agree with you completely.

[technojools]

"Its rubbish for the environment"

Consumerism is a generation of a need above what is needed. Its psycological.

[upyours192]

Lol pretty funny.

Though I don't agree with what you're saying put into the context of Tyler's character. :p He's saying evolve without the use of materials but rather in a very survival instinct sort of way. Plus he could care less about the environment. XD

But of course, with the power of editing you made Tyler very un-Tyler like. Funny though.

[NinjasLikeCheese]

Self-destruction is going to happen by the middle of this century.

Crime, Poverty and war also doesn't concern me. These things happen because of consumerism, mostly anyway.

We need food water air and shelter and for some a car.

Could you imagine what the world will be like if everyone had control of their own minds and stopped buying shit to fill their empty lives.

[sky5564]

we would finaly be free

[NinjasLikeCheese]

"It's only after we've lost everything that were free to do anything"

"You have to know not fear that some day you'll die"

"The things you own end up owning you"

We need more of those qoutes put into our lives.

[davidgarcia123456]

I agree whit u even if ur argument is an impossible scenario.

[bigboss8675309]

i agree

[theenigmatics]

great video, and i'm very pro-free market, but i looked up a definition of planned obsolescence (on wiki) and this term sounds like a way for companies to make a product cheaply so that the consumer has to buy it again, or rather a way for a company to not release the best product possible by delaying its release with a substitute of lesser quality

[ageowns]

Yep that is right. The question is 'Is planned obsolescence a bad thing?'. Most would agree that constantly having to replace worn out products or upgrade from older ones is bad for the environment, but there is an argument that without it we would not have the money to do Research and Development of products to further our technological progress and that without it, and the extra manufacturing job/money it makes our economy would collapse. What do you think?

[tangospring]

I think disruptive technology R&D is performed at universities, which are funded by miniscule fraction of tax money spent on military industrial complex.

[AIDENrockINhell]

haha pure awsomeness. frazor_aiden@hotmail,co,uk

[tmax1189]

hahaha thats sik well dun man

[abxvistro]

hahaha, thats awesome

[killarneypink]

That's amazing!

[maballsxD]

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