Stigma Mental Health Part 1

[heartfire451]

God forbid the mental health system would ever look at things like the toxicity levels in our bodies, poor diet, Spiritual issues, bioenergetic issues. Nope just drug them and make money off them. The bottom line is that sick people are more profoitable to the elitists then healthy ones. Chiropractic care and accupuncture and natural medicine just don't fill the pockets of the drug companies and the doctors that are their willing stooges.

[chopitallupa187]

@heartfire451 amen to that

[Mysti99]

While some may have a dna reason, or biochemical reason/prenatal, my belief is, that making everyone ill, is the purpose of Big Pharma, and that very few people would ever benefit from any medical treatment or drugs. Healthy nutiriouns, no GMO, no poisons or toxins or radiation in the environment is needed. Rick Simpsons, run for the cure, is a good starting point. And getting rid of the bloodlines and forcing disclosre and frequency healing even for environment cleanup.

[chopitallupa187]

but i was 1/10 that remained with my sanity...i had seen all the other people in there with me fighting for there own sanity. it was sad. being 51/50 or 52/50 is not fun. i was only a meth-induced schizo, but at the same time, i believe that it was more then that. i remember the things they did to me. very vividly. yet i rose up. and i never gave up. there are so many out there that are in this situation. and its not about mental illness every time. your environment controls where you go

[chopitallupa187]

to speak about this on a personal level is something i probably shouldn't even say, but....this hit me in a way that when they told me i was crazy, schizo, i really did believe it. now when i snapped out of the "illness", mentally i was back to normal. now when i read the documents years later, i learned that they were drugging me up, and to me making it worse. the day i stopped the anti-psychotics, is the day i was freed. i was fed alot of lies, but at that age, i couldn't understand...to big

[hezekiahbiles]

@chopitallupa187 Those dopes were hard to get off weren't they? In the Psyche Dope Industry it is called "Discontinuation Syndrome," a 'mental illness' only curable if you go back and eat those dope you were eating. It is Orwellian doublespeak.

[chopitallupa187]

@hezekiahbiles so your saying it was only curable if i did the dope again?? im interested in what your saying, but rephrase it...r u referring to the drugs? or the crap they gave me in the hospital?

[MrGrevy]

As a PhD shouldn't your thinking be elevated beyond cause and effect? mental health isn't mathematics or physics. Do you deny that medication helps? Not trying to start an argument, but I don't get what you're saying. What exactly are your credentials? Is your degree from an accredited school? What about all of the peer reviewed research - is everyone else wrong? Thanks.

[neutralnothing]

i am sorry man i do not agree with this. mental illness is real, peoples lives are deeply effected by mental illness both sufferers and family and close friends of the sufferer, i don't know how you can possbily sit there are say mental illness is fake !!!! its a complete insult to the mentally ill thus a form of stigma is it not !!!! the day you become mentally ill and start suffering from its many wide varying horrible effects then come on here and talk about it, experience is everything !!!!

[osmex4real]

@neutralnothing  HE IS RIGHT BECAUSE I HAVE EXEPRIENCED IT

[sweetknwldg]

@neutralnothing He's not saying that mental illness is fake, unreal or untrue. In his videos he clearly states that the pain, symptoms and experiences of mental illness are very real. But that actually calling it a mental illness, actually defining it as a pathology when it has not been proven in research and treating it with medications that have not been proven in practice is fiction. This is untrue and damaging to society.

[hezekiahbiles]

@sweetknwldg DSM Priests.

Psychists;

just keep away from them. Accept your ways and try to be nice to other humans and you should be able to avoid Psychist tyranny. But there are Mental Health Acts that will lassoo you, whether you like it or not. Never talk to a cop or a psychist. Don't say anything. Not a word. You cannot win using their logic against them, they rig the game so that you play by their rules while under their control. Reject them. Don't go there.

[threshold79]

i think a black belt in karate is nessesary though schooling at a young age

[whiff1962]

Not to play devil's advocate, however, psych labels purport to describe, by behavioral "symptomology". I do agree with the prescriptive nature of psych labels. Its just that I have the impression that psychiatry has gone through a lot of effort in passing itself off as any other branch of medicine, by promoting its enterprise as medico-scientific, on par with the whole of medicine. Bollocks!

[wiseroldowl]

I also just wanted to thank you for your website and all the work that pcychetruth does. I have 7 children and homeschooled them to keep them off drugs. They were all labeled ADD or ADHD because they preferred to be hands on and not sit in chairs and listen all day to the droning teachers. Now I have a rancher, Navy black shoe, 2 mechanics and a future Archeologist all of whom i educated in unique ways in harmony with the way they learn, not the way the govt wanted them to learn.

[wiseroldowl]

You made a comment about "moral failing". The Mental Illness label also gives those willingly participating in crimes against others something to fall back on.

[makegdimoney]

nice one

[MementoExpose]

Thank you Professor, this was helpful for my sociology test today.

[superstitiousmonkey]

Bottom line is there is no such thing as mental illness. The "help" you get from the institution is the problem not the so called "illness" I have been institutionalized 5 times. 2 Different hospitals. The first one I went to... Hang on. I was taken there in the first place because my parents didn't like my attitude and I refused to stop smoking weed. I ended up smoking more weed inside the hospital than at home. They stuff all the criminals in there that claim they have a mental illness

[MrGrevy]

@superstitiousmonkey How do you reach the conclusion that since you claim not to have a mental illness, that there is no such thing as mental illness?

[whiff1962]

To say that mental illness is a myth, is not to discount its power to define and order aspects of society. Mythic thinking is not alien to psychiatry. One such powerful medical myth is to be found in the "grouping" of (illicit) drug users. The mental health technician renders a moral judgement, in the guise of a medical sounding label: a culture's disapprobation, communicated by way of medical stigma. In effect, a culture has its purgative, by way of identifying the "sick" or "insane" elements.

[Bioflavenoids]

Ted Bundy was never diagnosed psychotic as far as I know. Psychosis is more like extreme confusion and loss of touch with reality. Ted Bundy knew exactly what he was doing when he murdered all those women in the 1970's. He wasn't confused or out of touch with reality which is why he escaped the authorities for many years, because he was so capable of hiding what he did. I would not characterize Bundy as mentally ill. I would say he was evil.

[PlusSizeAngel]

I agree. Like most serial killers, he was just filthy pervert.

[Christopher711]

John , when I was seven my mom took me to some therapists. I had to take some tests. I remember I had to answer a bunch of academic questions. I also had to run around and chase a ball in my underwear.(what the heck was that about?) When it was done they told my mom "Bury every dream you ever had for him." Apparently , they told my mom that she would have to wait on me hand and foot. Feed me , dress me, etc. None of this turned out to be true.

[Christopher711]

So , is that the worst the diagnosis the more money they get , and who do they get the money from exactly?

[phfrankh]

stigma=deviantcy-juxtaposition­

[M1thotyn]

I'm surely off topic but I want to just throw my thoughts down. What is the side effect of drinking beer; getting drunk? What is the side effect of getting drunk; a hangover? Anyway, I can not imagine anything more Stigmatizing and dangerous than convincing a society that a abnormal person has a defective brain that dictates their behavior. "Uh oh, watch out, that guy is Bipolar/Schizoaffective/schizo­phrenic, his brain might snap any second; look, he even has anxiety while he stare at him!"

[phfrankh]

My understanding, is that all "Prescription Drugs" ought, to have warning lable.i.e.(DRUG INTERACTION("consuming alcohol intensifies the Drug and my produce extreme behavior)!

[smurfp4444]

IS FOOD OUR NEXT TABACCO????

[nivto2]

You inspire me to find a way of life that suits me :)

Which is all I ever try to do...

[allanjenny]

Very interesting stuff. However, I am a skeptic. My wife was diagnosed with schytzophrenia in 1992, has been on several meds since that time. Is disabled and retired and cannot work, BUT, she is stable, able to live a good quality of life because of Meds controlling voices, pictures and eratic behaviour etc. Without the meds, No normal life could be achieved. Thats a fact. Now, a diabetic, we have changed diet and now levels are normal. Where are your patients? Lets see proof and I might listen.

[psychetruth]

See video, "The Truth About "Schizophrenia" & Fixing Chemical Imbalances"

It mentions the World Health Organization studies that show schizophrenics in underdeveloped nations have twice the recovery rate of schizophrenics in the USA.

Most "mental disorders" are episodic however, once you take medications, the withdrawal symptoms are usually worse than the original mental disturbance, this make it looks like the person's disorder is coming back when it is in fact drug withdrawals.

[allanjenny]

I will check this video out. Many factors play a role in causing imbalances, such as the thyroid gland. My wifes thyroid gland (Hypothyroid) does not function, and when this first happened, her illness began to show its ugly head. So, in her case, a true medical exists. She is on thyroid replacement drugs but when her levels go off, her illness elivates. This is why I believe that mental illness in most cases is an undiagnosed medical problem. Any info I can read and learn, is excellent. thx

[ellandelachapelle]

That's not a fact! MANY patients have recovered without meds! Also, a life as disabled, retired and unable to work doesn't sound like a good life to ME! Hypothyroism, by the way, is a well-known cause of depression! (and other mental problems.) Didn´t they try to give meds for THIS first? (and wait with psychotropic drugs.) I saw an American woman labelled with schizophrenia who not only got WELL, but also became a therapist! (and got an Ph. D. in psychology.)Her name is Patricia Deegan!

[ellandelachapelle]

There is a clip with her here on YouTube! Search for "Recovery from mental disorder. Lecture with Patricia Deegan"! (she is also in the Swedish documentary "Leva mitt liv.")(Live My Life.)

[ellandelachapelle]

Look what I found here! Leva mitt liv with English texts! (trailer.)Also the feature films done by the same producer. (who also plays the leading part!)"A Silent Cry" and "The Song of the Sandarines"! (with English texts.)(trailers.)These scenes are VERY strong! (I wish the filmproducers Cassandra Film would release these WHOLE films on DVD!)

[spastic505]

@allanjenny

"Where are your patients? Lets see proof and I might listen"

What a fucking douchebag statement like he gievs a shit if YOU do not listen. He's not here to spend more of his time to convince people like you. He presents the information and the rest is up to you as in you have to do your own independent research. Plus, who in their right mind can think a particular doctor will be able to bring patients to youtube and have sessions with them - sessions that take months, years. Moron.

[allanjenny]

@spastic505

You dont appear to have a channel, but your name suits you perfect. I give alot less of a shit about your comment, then he does mine I bet. :-) Go have another alcohol beverage you loser and get a real channel so people can see who you really are pussy. Have a nice day!!!!

[allanjenny]

@spastic505

Listen you low life sack of shit. I have an opinion, I really do not need to crap all over people to express it, unlike you, but then again, when it comes to pathetic pieces of shit like you, I get pissed off and express my views in a more colorful way, but bring myself ALMOST down to your level. Not quite, because you are pathetic and ignorant of the facts. I asked, where are your patients? I mean, WHERE are they, California, Arizona? WHERE dumbass? His patients testimonials? ASS

[mountain19]

every behavior is reinforced.

[Hannibalized]

Who was it that said "the greater the lie, the quicker the masses will believe it." Psychiatry is a belief system - not a science. And just like the church once had a Holy Inquisition to subjugate the mases, the psychiatric profession now has its mental inquisition to subjugate the masses. Not to have a mind of your own, not to think for oneself, now that is real "mental illness!"

[sdp026]

It's funny that there are government ad campaigns to "erase the stigma of mental illness". The term "mental illness" is DESIGNED to stigmatize! People believe that there's objective science behind the classification of certain behaviors as "mental illness", but in reality every biological theory of behavioral disorders is based on the most flimsy evidence imaginable. The government uses this supposedly legitimate science as justification to lock people up for Thought Crimes.

[MakkiMakko]

I've got to agree with you about the term "Mental Illness" being a term to refer to "the other" and does nothing to fight the horrible demeaning stigma of that label.

[johannludwig]

Are you trying to tell me that all psychiatrists are liars? Are all neurologists liars, too? Are all doctors liars, too? It's all a great big conspiracy, right?

What is your understanding of Tourette Syndrome (to name one example)? Are all the people diagnosed with TS just faking it? Sorry, but if you are going to make these strong claims, you better have some pretty strong explanations for things like TS.

[psychetruth]

Psychiatry and neurology are completely different things. Neurologists treat brain and central nervous system disorders which can be seen to have physiological abnormalities. Psychiatry treats behavior disorders which have no physiological objective test. People have mental problems certainly. You can't treat a psychological problem biological and ever get an actual cure. The mental health system needs to be reformed.

[AnthiaKim]

psychetruth.......YOU ARE SO SPOT ON.

[bertrand756]

i completely agree psychiatry and neurology are totally different. Neurology deals with real diseases Parkinson's disease, Tourette's syndrome whereas psychiatry deals with fake "disorders". ADD, OCD etc.... If these are real why don't neurologists treat these diseases

[jonboardman]

so as you see it ADD is a fake disorder? its just some one that is a bit busy and some one with ADHD is some one who is realy busy ect.

So some one who like ted bundy with no neurologic disorder is in no way phsycotic and should never have been executed, for his only fault was to reject normality..

[kilija383]

yes ADD is a fake disorder genius (sarcastic) if it was a real disorder why isn't there a test for it. As for ted bundy he commited crimes and he should have been punished. idiot

[jonboardman]

i was not talking about the video, still a bit skeptic about it. i was talking about a bit that bertrand756 posted and your telling us that things we cant test are not there.... like vioces in peoples head or schytzophrenia and ADD, ADHD..... i think they are not simply disorders that the coverment made up to controle and or manipulate us. and tell me, how long did it take befor we had tests for Acquired Epileptiform Aphasia, Dysautonomia, Photic sneeze reflex and other neurologic disorders,,

[jonboardman]

owe yeah..

idiot

[kilija383]

i wasn't talking about this video either i was talking about ADD being a fake disorder. And you spelled schizophrenia wrong genius. Oh and what the hell is "the coverment". I don't know what the heck Acquired Epileptiform Aphaisa is, or Dystautonomia or the sneeze thing. But until there is some type of chemical test that goes along with "attention deficit disorder" then i will just assume that whoever is "diagnosed" with it is just hyper and ther have always been hyper people

[jonboardman]

Oke, thats fare. i just think there is more to it,,

[whiff1962]

@kilija383 The lack of any definitive test for ADHD doesn't stop believers from saying that science is forthcoming. One always reads of the so-called new and recent research on ADHD neurology, yet, ALL the studies are speculative theories. Those theories are rather tricked out, and the more so, the more appealing they are to its believers and priests.

[whiterabbitpress]

@whiff1962 there is no definitive test for ANY psychiatric illness

[whiff1962]

@whiterabbitpress I totally concur!

[whiff1962]

@psychetruth I'll do you one better: we need to throw out the myth of mental illness. I don't see any transparency within the profession, as it is so deeply mired in its own exigencies, and those of society, as a whole. If not madness, what then?

[MrGrevy]

@whiff1962 How do you conclude that mental illness is a myth?

[whiff1962]

And how do you conclude that it isn't, if you have come to accept its "material" reality? This is not like a discussion of, say, gravity, the reality of which may be confirmed firsthand, sans any "expert" confirming such. Credulity of the herd comes by way of the collective jettisoning of such common-sense scrutiny. Institutional psychiatry's armamentarium, its pseudo-science and quasi-medical blandishments, are but its means of serving as excuses for such therapeutic zealotry.

[MrGrevy]

@whiff1962 Even gravity is only a theory, in the strict sense of the word. I asked you a question and you answered with another question. Could you explain why you think mental illness is a myth? I mean do you dispute the findings of peer reviewed journals for example?

[whiff1962]

Peer reviewed articles cover many topics and many issues in psychiatry. If you are talking about consensus building, as in the small, elite, and white male dominated groups that make up the DSM committee, then I say that your criterion of precise, scientific definition goes out the window. The Catholic church has, throughout history, convened its own councils. The latter, too, has been a form of peer review, in matters doctrinal and practical.

[MrGrevy]

@whiff1962 I didn't mention the DSM, but it certainly has problems. As far as the elites writing it...who should be writing it? Uneducated people? At any rate, I am referring to academic journals/peer reviewed research. References to the Catholic Church are irrelevant to anything today. Do you give credence to afro centric theory for example, because it is not in line with dominant (western) culture?

[whiff1962]

Not to sound like a crank or crazy, but are you truly familiarized with the DSM, if not conversant? The DSM, which is neither statistical nor truly diagnostic, essentially serves a two-fold purpose: codifying, through the subterfuge of the pseudo-medical, all manner of the undesireable in human conduct, and, to permit the billing and reimbursement of services. As I see it, the DSM is the product of a particular cultural "bias" and its values. I suggest you read T. Szasz for further elaboration.

[whiff1962]

the reference to matters religious and secular do have their uncanny parallels. The language has changed as has the social style of the respective clergy, but the moral and social functions of the respective halves are pronounced. Today, the peculiar branch of medicince that is psychiatry, managed to transform moral values into "health" values. Institutional psychiatry, meddlesome as it is, has exerted its medical pretensions, as in that of making personal conduct a matter of "public health".

[whiff1962]

As for its practitioners and acolytes, there is no problem with the DSM; no more than there is serious discussion over biblical interpretation and doctrine within, say, the Christian faith. To be sure, there are, occasionally, members of the clergy and its faithful, disputes over what should be and should not be added or subtracted from the DSM. However, rarely, are these differences anything more than political and social infighting. Take PMS, with feminists, or, homosexuality, until 1973.

[whiff1962]

@psychetruth I would be interested to understand how you would conceive of such reform. I don't see how such reform is possible, and doing away with such a Levianthan is unthinkable. Psychiatry has certainly done well for itself; yet, our every culture has its language of exclusion, and psychiatry serves such means and ends very well.

[Muskateering]

@psychetruth I wish you were my psychiatrist.

[opalescentdarkness]

@johannludwig All Priests, Churches, believers, different "Gods" were liars, during witch hunt? Nooooooooooo

[rpm2004]

A book written by Zimbardo? I have to get that now,I watch his show on PBS all the time!

[cloudmonkeys]

'since therapeutic interventions imposed on patients were prompted largely by the physicians own feelings of self importance, obligations, guilt and of course, possible cravings for power and sadism, they were unrestrained by assessments of their curative value for the client or his informed consent to or refusal of the 'service'' T. Szasz

[suarez976]

Great video. Keep up the good work. I'm from Brazil, and here the abuse by psychiatrists is the same as there in the US: drugs that make you worse, psychiatrists who try to label you with a nonexistent disease so that they can control you and earn lot's of money, psychiatrists who lie, all that stuff. I know it first hand, I'm one more victim of psychiatry.

[zezt]

Very powerful. Also like to share a recent insight. Thought of the cliche account of a 'schizophrenic' who believes he is being watched all the time, and people want to poison her/him? Well, this IS the reality now. So what does this say? It says to me that people have been very sensitive to the actual. And that is classed as mental illness, and double binded and so on

[drashokn]

great video .all should see

[psychstudent76]

Great video and so true. Another problem with stigmatizing people with mental illness is the increased in rejection by family members and other people. More suffering means more drugs and more profits.