Our desire to maintain cognitive consistency is extremely powerful. We don't like cognitive dissonance and it's easier to squash down new beliefs than change old ones. If you haven't already, read "When Prophecy Fails" by Leon Festinger.
Atheism is not bitter, or defiant, angry or lost. Atheism is happy, and at peace. Atheism embraces science and discovery and marvels at the splendor of all things that are larger and more impressive than any fairytale or miracle found in the Bible. Science supports the moral imperative better than any theology. Christians are not at peace, they worry, they strive for some outward source of acceptance and protection. They are afraid, constantly wary of the Devil. They are busy... being confused.
@FJoeForty May Science deliver people from their own bondage and self loathing. May people who are lost and without a true self identity, finally stand up and take responsibility for their own ill works, and the pain they cause others.....not because they are ashamed, not because they want to be saved, or have some family reunion in the sky....but because they have a brain and a clearly provable set of scientific guidelines that suggest people shouldn't live like an insect, or act like a lion.
This is without a doubt one the lamest refutations of athiesim on youtube, go read some theology then go study some philosohy and organize your arguments or case better. Your not helping Christians any with this, and your definately not going to change the minds of the athiest. If your offended go pray on it.
An interesting display of arrogance and delusion. Without a foundation of extreme narcissism, religion has no fertile ground. The visions people see with the god helmet, or on psychoactive substances, in stress, faith etc. depend on the ego. The more egotistical the more delusional the experience.
If the was a god, it would never need you to acknowledge its existence, let alone pray to it or worship it. We are so far from contemplating intelligent design because we haven't even figured out how our own universe works yet.
@Fisherdec Gravity most certainly has a definition.
a. The natural force of attraction exerted by a celestial body, such as Earth, upon objects at or near its surface, tending to draw them toward the center of the body.
b. The natural force of attraction between any two massive bodies, which is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.
And what do you call the theory of general relativity, created by Einstein?
@Fisherdec Gravity is generated directly from mass. According to the theory of relativity, mass itself bends spacetime -- think of it kind of like standing on a trampoline. Maybe this presentation will help you understand: watch?v=O-p8yZYxNGc
@pokerslut530 Unfortunately this is simply theoretical because quantum mechanics attributes gravity to graviton particles. So which one is correct, quantum mechanics or general relativity. Unless you have a unified theory, your answer does not help.
@Fisherdec Gravitons are purely hypothetical. Even wikipedia says clear as day: "To prove the existence of the graviton, physicists must be able to link the particle to the curvature of the space-time continuum and calculate the gravitational force exerted."
Bottom line: Were we or were we not able to launch a rocket from earth and land it perfectly on mars, first try? I think this fact would make the largest skeptic in the world have to agree we must have a very good grasp on gravity.
@pokerslut530 You still do not seem to understand the point. I have no other means of explaining it. Sure, we can "feel" gravity. Sure, we know gravity exists. Sure, we can even measure gravity. But the simple question that we are unable to answer for certain is; where does gravity come from? Launching a rocket and landing it on Mars still does not answer this question.
@Fisherdec I fail to see the importance? It is one of the very last corners left in science where something is unknown. This doesn't somehow delegitimize the rest of science though, if that is what you're trying to infer?
@pokerslut530@pokerslut530 I think I understand why you were battling my original comment now. I realize now that the way I typed it can be taken a completely different way. I even re-read it and was wondering what I was talking about myself.
@Fisherdec For humanity to start considering whether the universe was created by intelligent design should be something we are contemplating generations from now. Currently we should be trying to figure out, for example, where gravity comes from, a unified theory of the laws of the universe, etc. My apologies for the terrible wording, I believe we both actually have parrallel beliefs.
This also explains why no one would ask why the live thing is alive. The live thing is the end of the road. Once it has been determined that the live thing is responsible that's it. A feeling of satisfaction (understanding) fills the human at that point.
So god is a guy in the brain who is a live sensor that various thoughts or direct sensory impressions can be mapped to.
The very core of god is that he is unexplainable. He is the end of the road because he is the end of the neural mapping.
"God is a guy in the brain who is a live sensor..." - strong, but extremely vague metaphor. What do you mean, god is in the brain? The thought about god is in the brain, yes, but so are thoughts about other things, as well.
If god is unexplainable, how do you know him? Somebody put that thought in your head, when you were a child.
What I mean is that God is an instant of a live entity. When you look at a face of someone you know then the signals from your eyes propagate through the brain and transform to different representations and are then eventually compared to a memory bank of people that are known to you.
When a primitive brain looks at the world then it will distinguish between that which is living and that which is not. Anything that gives rise to motion or events is then interpreted as alive, and so God is born.
It is a hypothesis about why people have god fantasies. If this is true then animals also have god fantasies even if they don't express it too much. Maybe they perceive lightning and earth quakes as being due to some live entity even if their consciousness level isn't as high as ours.
One point with the hypothesis is that it strives to explain the satisfaction people feel with the god explanation. There is a perception of live agency in the brain. If that lights up then the brain has found an answer.
"There is a perception of live agency in the brain." True, and it is very necessary. All through evolutionary history, it was to the survivor's interest to distinguish in an instant between inanimate objects and smth alive that can eat him, if he doesn't notice him in a flash and escape (or stay and fight). God is surplus to requirements here and is not necessary. When believers' brains are investigated, these areas light up, because of vivid imagination.
Another way to say the same thing is that religion explains the world using familiar concepts. At the time differential equations, etc and systematic studies of physics were not available mind tools and knowledge.
What they were familiar with were some things that are meaningful inside a human brain but not to physics. Concepts such as father, love, purpose, meaning, etc. That is what they talk about still in their confused ideas.
You are right, "religion explains the world using familiar concepts". Alongside these familiar concepts it smuggles in false, supernatural ideas, but because they are inextricably tied in with the familiar concepts, they have taken hold in the mind of believers, but they are not true, and, as I said, surplus to requirements.
That mysterious part has to be really strange but not too silly. Maybe it gives the believer the impression that the conveyor has a superior knowledge or maybe it is just exciting that way. Then of course there is always the eternal life bait.
Basically all the human emotions are hijacked. Christmas carols is a good example of it. If I listen to them with others in a concert hall and if I didn't hate religion this much then I would see why some people can be seduced to kind of believe.
I think primitive brains have sensors for live things and dead things. Information from the sensory organs are mapped onto one or the other. So when something like an earth quake happens that data is mapped onto the live thing sensor and this is then how the notion of god came to be. It is something alive that escapes vision. It is the most primitive of beliefs. I think animals also perceive various phenomena as due to a live agency.
Thanks for sharing. Oh, Whorf really hates you! That shall be my new standard of judgment: if Whorf hates you, then you're probably a decent fellow.
I find it amazing when Whorf uses words like "arrogant", "snide", and "spiteful" to describe atheists, remaining completely oblivious of the fact that he just described himself - classic example of projection.
He might maintain his façade, but keep the responses coming. I think that the logic bombarding him might erode his archaic misconceptions
I believe this being a premise of many things including "religion" that was created "in those days". The influence and disparity has been an evil of mankind since.
Yes. This is based primarily on the Sumerian records and translations.
The non-pagan religions began around 500 pre CE. In time it was forced on the populations.
Have you viewed zeitgeist or any other documentaries?
The masons I beleive to have the closest archives of the truth next to the Hindu people. Fascinating stuff.
I openly reject man-made idols, but do credit and accept the alterations of the human race with a dissapointing fact that it was a mistake that will be fixed
I perceive it to be more of a calculated hormonal euphoria of social inclusion and the senses of.
Often times experienced in large masses such as a rock concert, riots, rallys and anything of a triggering mechanisms of "mass" cohesion of belonging to something larger than oneself.
There may be certain attributes of cholinesterase stuffers that can simulate such experiences like cocaine and or other stimulating neuro affects of "uppers".
LordWhorfin sure seems to be. However, not all Christians are epistemological cripples (assuming I understand that term). Some merely have compartmentalized minds, they can argue rationally - but then put their religion into a compartment where it can not be touched by those rational processes.
Our desire to maintain cognitive consistency is extremely powerful. We don't like cognitive dissonance and it's easier to squash down new beliefs than change old ones. If you haven't already, read "When Prophecy Fails" by Leon Festinger.
KingOfMadCows 1 year ago
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KingOfMadCows 1 year ago
Atheism is not bitter, or defiant, angry or lost. Atheism is happy, and at peace. Atheism embraces science and discovery and marvels at the splendor of all things that are larger and more impressive than any fairytale or miracle found in the Bible. Science supports the moral imperative better than any theology. Christians are not at peace, they worry, they strive for some outward source of acceptance and protection. They are afraid, constantly wary of the Devil. They are busy... being confused.
FJoeForty 1 year ago
@FJoeForty May Science deliver people from their own bondage and self loathing. May people who are lost and without a true self identity, finally stand up and take responsibility for their own ill works, and the pain they cause others.....not because they are ashamed, not because they want to be saved, or have some family reunion in the sky....but because they have a brain and a clearly provable set of scientific guidelines that suggest people shouldn't live like an insect, or act like a lion.
FJoeForty 1 year ago
@FJoeForty In the name of the Photon, Electron, and the Neutron....Amen!
FJoeForty 1 year ago
This is without a doubt one the lamest refutations of athiesim on youtube, go read some theology then go study some philosohy and organize your arguments or case better. Your not helping Christians any with this, and your definately not going to change the minds of the athiest. If your offended go pray on it.
cwhanna 1 year ago
@cwhanna
Did you stop listening after two minutes?
Did you not read the text?
You got it completely backwards.
It's not an argument for theism, it's an argument against it.
zarkoff45 1 year ago
Excellently well done
DeathofSpeech 1 year ago
An interesting display of arrogance and delusion. Without a foundation of extreme narcissism, religion has no fertile ground. The visions people see with the god helmet, or on psychoactive substances, in stress, faith etc. depend on the ego. The more egotistical the more delusional the experience.
yubarraboo 1 year ago
If the was a god, it would never need you to acknowledge its existence, let alone pray to it or worship it. We are so far from contemplating intelligent design because we haven't even figured out how our own universe works yet.
Fisherdec 1 year ago
@Fisherdec In what regard do you believe we do not know how our universe works?
pokerslut530 1 year ago
@pokerslut530 Let's just say we still can't even define gravity yet.
Fisherdec 1 year ago
@Fisherdec Gravity most certainly has a definition.
a. The natural force of attraction exerted by a celestial body, such as Earth, upon objects at or near its surface, tending to draw them toward the center of the body.
b. The natural force of attraction between any two massive bodies, which is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.
And what do you call the theory of general relativity, created by Einstein?
pokerslut530 1 year ago
@pokerslut530 OK correct, but can you tell me, where does gravity come from? how does it pull objects?
Fisherdec 1 year ago
@Fisherdec Gravity is generated directly from mass. According to the theory of relativity, mass itself bends spacetime -- think of it kind of like standing on a trampoline. Maybe this presentation will help you understand: watch?v=O-p8yZYxNGc
pokerslut530 1 year ago
@pokerslut530 Unfortunately this is simply theoretical because quantum mechanics attributes gravity to graviton particles. So which one is correct, quantum mechanics or general relativity. Unless you have a unified theory, your answer does not help.
Fisherdec 1 year ago
@Fisherdec Gravitons are purely hypothetical. Even wikipedia says clear as day: "To prove the existence of the graviton, physicists must be able to link the particle to the curvature of the space-time continuum and calculate the gravitational force exerted."
Bottom line: Were we or were we not able to launch a rocket from earth and land it perfectly on mars, first try? I think this fact would make the largest skeptic in the world have to agree we must have a very good grasp on gravity.
pokerslut530 1 year ago
@pokerslut530 You still do not seem to understand the point. I have no other means of explaining it. Sure, we can "feel" gravity. Sure, we know gravity exists. Sure, we can even measure gravity. But the simple question that we are unable to answer for certain is; where does gravity come from? Launching a rocket and landing it on Mars still does not answer this question.
Fisherdec 1 year ago
@Fisherdec I fail to see the importance? It is one of the very last corners left in science where something is unknown. This doesn't somehow delegitimize the rest of science though, if that is what you're trying to infer?
pokerslut530 1 year ago
@pokerslut530 @pokerslut530 I think I understand why you were battling my original comment now. I realize now that the way I typed it can be taken a completely different way. I even re-read it and was wondering what I was talking about myself.
Fisherdec 1 year ago
@Fisherdec For humanity to start considering whether the universe was created by intelligent design should be something we are contemplating generations from now. Currently we should be trying to figure out, for example, where gravity comes from, a unified theory of the laws of the universe, etc. My apologies for the terrible wording, I believe we both actually have parrallel beliefs.
Fisherdec 1 year ago
@Fisherdec Ah okay.. no worries.
pokerslut530 1 year ago
This also explains why no one would ask why the live thing is alive. The live thing is the end of the road. Once it has been determined that the live thing is responsible that's it. A feeling of satisfaction (understanding) fills the human at that point.
So god is a guy in the brain who is a live sensor that various thoughts or direct sensory impressions can be mapped to.
The very core of god is that he is unexplainable. He is the end of the road because he is the end of the neural mapping.
drandersw 2 years ago
"God is a guy in the brain who is a live sensor..." - strong, but extremely vague metaphor. What do you mean, god is in the brain? The thought about god is in the brain, yes, but so are thoughts about other things, as well.
If god is unexplainable, how do you know him? Somebody put that thought in your head, when you were a child.
dewonthegrass 2 years ago
What I mean is that God is an instant of a live entity. When you look at a face of someone you know then the signals from your eyes propagate through the brain and transform to different representations and are then eventually compared to a memory bank of people that are known to you.
When a primitive brain looks at the world then it will distinguish between that which is living and that which is not. Anything that gives rise to motion or events is then interpreted as alive, and so God is born.
drandersw 2 years ago
It is a hypothesis about why people have god fantasies. If this is true then animals also have god fantasies even if they don't express it too much. Maybe they perceive lightning and earth quakes as being due to some live entity even if their consciousness level isn't as high as ours.
drandersw 2 years ago
One point with the hypothesis is that it strives to explain the satisfaction people feel with the god explanation. There is a perception of live agency in the brain. If that lights up then the brain has found an answer.
drandersw 2 years ago
"There is a perception of live agency in the brain." True, and it is very necessary. All through evolutionary history, it was to the survivor's interest to distinguish in an instant between inanimate objects and smth alive that can eat him, if he doesn't notice him in a flash and escape (or stay and fight). God is surplus to requirements here and is not necessary. When believers' brains are investigated, these areas light up, because of vivid imagination.
dewonthegrass 2 years ago
Another way to say the same thing is that religion explains the world using familiar concepts. At the time differential equations, etc and systematic studies of physics were not available mind tools and knowledge.
What they were familiar with were some things that are meaningful inside a human brain but not to physics. Concepts such as father, love, purpose, meaning, etc. That is what they talk about still in their confused ideas.
drandersw 2 years ago
You are right, "religion explains the world using familiar concepts". Alongside these familiar concepts it smuggles in false, supernatural ideas, but because they are inextricably tied in with the familiar concepts, they have taken hold in the mind of believers, but they are not true, and, as I said, surplus to requirements.
dewonthegrass 2 years ago
That mysterious part has to be really strange but not too silly. Maybe it gives the believer the impression that the conveyor has a superior knowledge or maybe it is just exciting that way. Then of course there is always the eternal life bait.
Basically all the human emotions are hijacked. Christmas carols is a good example of it. If I listen to them with others in a concert hall and if I didn't hate religion this much then I would see why some people can be seduced to kind of believe.
drandersw 2 years ago
I think primitive brains have sensors for live things and dead things. Information from the sensory organs are mapped onto one or the other. So when something like an earth quake happens that data is mapped onto the live thing sensor and this is then how the notion of god came to be. It is something alive that escapes vision. It is the most primitive of beliefs. I think animals also perceive various phenomena as due to a live agency.
drandersw 2 years ago
"Don't question!" "Don't question!"
Remarkable, isn't it?
TurbulentWake 2 years ago
Thanks for sharing. Oh, Whorf really hates you! That shall be my new standard of judgment: if Whorf hates you, then you're probably a decent fellow.
I find it amazing when Whorf uses words like "arrogant", "snide", and "spiteful" to describe atheists, remaining completely oblivious of the fact that he just described himself - classic example of projection.
He might maintain his façade, but keep the responses coming. I think that the logic bombarding him might erode his archaic misconceptions
TurbulentWake 2 years ago
And you do not believe in others? There really are a million gallaxys and influence on ours. Research.......
toddhawley 2 years ago
"And you do not believe in others?"
Huh?
What was that about?
zarkoff45 2 years ago
"others" as being other intelligence life.
I believe this being a premise of many things including "religion" that was created "in those days". The influence and disparity has been an evil of mankind since.
Chi sigma zeta
toddhawley 2 years ago
You think aliens from other planets are our gods?
zarkoff45 2 years ago
Yes. This is based primarily on the Sumerian records and translations.
The non-pagan religions began around 500 pre CE. In time it was forced on the populations.
Have you viewed zeitgeist or any other documentaries?
The masons I beleive to have the closest archives of the truth next to the Hindu people. Fascinating stuff.
I openly reject man-made idols, but do credit and accept the alterations of the human race with a dissapointing fact that it was a mistake that will be fixed
toddhawley 2 years ago
Awesome video. I don't see the point in religion. It's just brainwash, legalized brainwash.
Can't really leave a \m/ comment for this.
gibsonrock53 2 years ago
God is.........A srong magnetic field aplyed to the brain, (sort of)
TheEnglishAthiest 2 years ago
Actually, it's a rather weak magnetic field.
zarkoff45 2 years ago
".......weak magnetic field...."
And a weak mind to believe it , god that is not the fact that religious delusions are all in the mind
TheEnglishAthiest 2 years ago
I perceive it to be more of a calculated hormonal euphoria of social inclusion and the senses of.
Often times experienced in large masses such as a rock concert, riots, rallys and anything of a triggering mechanisms of "mass" cohesion of belonging to something larger than oneself.
There may be certain attributes of cholinesterase stuffers that can simulate such experiences like cocaine and or other stimulating neuro affects of "uppers".
But, this is just my thoughts on it.....
toddhawley 2 years ago
Yeah bitch-- I AM defiant and spiteful because I have every reason to be that way. HAHAHAHHAHA.
LordattentionWHOREx seems to have a stuffed up nose and difficulty enunciating common words. Heheheheeheheh
ghostofdayinperson 2 years ago
I see you've added Whorfin's vid to your Shitler's List.
zarkoff45 2 years ago
I think that I'm starting to actually believe they might be messed up in the head O_O
Alterna123 2 years ago
LordWhorfin sure seems to be. However, not all Christians are epistemological cripples (assuming I understand that term). Some merely have compartmentalized minds, they can argue rationally - but then put their religion into a compartment where it can not be touched by those rational processes.
VampireAuditions 2 years ago
Excellent video.
lc237 2 years ago
Thanks.
zarkoff45 2 years ago
Great video, thank you for using me as a Voice of the Damned.. x
bewarethelizards42 2 years ago
Glad you liked it.
zarkoff45 2 years ago