I like the Cindy Sherman photograph at the beginning, comes off ghostly to me. Lacies Heart is very sexy, soft, lustful, i like her work... I like Female Sensibility, I just finished reading PLease Kill Me and I feel a connection there, it also makes me think of Dash Snow although I don't really know too much about him. I like Legs. The Nan Goldin photo you wrap up with is really beautiful, it transports you into the pool room! If I had a gallery, those are the pieces I'd show.
Great show, But I've always been suspicious of the gender criteria... the fact is, most of these artists are good, and some are bad, not because they are women, but because they are good or bad, period. If you did a show entitled "the male gaze", would it make more sense? I personally don't see much in common between Kara Walker and Lisa Yuskavage, or between Louise Bourgeois and Dumas. Thanks James.
dear claureic.....i understand your point, but. We really do live in a mans world, as james brown said. We have male oriented religions all over the world, male dominated work places, male dominated political structures and our languauge itself is often gender specific toward the male. In a balanced world your point is valid, but the minority needs specificity until the culture evolves. just my opinion:)
Let me just reply briefly: You both might enjoy friending me at facebook the the Loren J. Munk page. There's been an on going discussion hosted by Jerry Saltz regarding the disproportionate display of female vs male artists at MoMA, and his attempts to rectify it. I agree with claureic good is good, and political correctness is more dangerous than chauvinism. Taste is dictated by economics, women with cash will change this faster than the PC crowd.
Considering the Saltz attempt, I've been following it without joining it for the reasons I expressed. I think it pointless. Besides, the Met's proportion of women artists is less than 1%, whereas Moma's is 7% according to his calculations. I see this as a chronological and statistical progress. Now tell me: does the question "is Krasner better than Pollock?" make any sense? How about "Is Tuymans worse than Dumas?"
OK, but the risk of specifity is political correctness, in other words hypocrisy and, worse, ghettoisation. Check the current show at the Pompidou on their site, I'm curious to know your opinion. Also, Moma is certainly not a mirror of the NYC gallery scene...
gender specific shows always bug me, as do any groupings of artists based on anything but talent. Black artists, women artists, fat artists. i also don't like outsider artist status either, does that mean i'm an insider? the Pompidou show seems, at the glance i took, just another one. this is tricky territory, sure to offend, but curators should be bolder in dismissing these easy groupings and instead...challenge us with new methodoligies and ways to see the work
Pretty much all these artists are well known and wealthy. Not exactly good choices if they're hoping to address the hardships faced by female artists- because these artists have careers that most artists, male or female, could only dream of.
Great to see all this. Thanks for posting.
KeithHarperSF 4 months ago
Good artists are about as rare as black hockey players, whatever their gender.
cosg9531 11 months ago
thanks mr. james for posting de vid
it's a source for reflection on visual arts (and a pleasure too) at least for one like me that's thousand miles far
Thiago1950 2 years ago
men, reform your gaze
fintanob 2 years ago
I like the Cindy Sherman photograph at the beginning, comes off ghostly to me. Lacies Heart is very sexy, soft, lustful, i like her work... I like Female Sensibility, I just finished reading PLease Kill Me and I feel a connection there, it also makes me think of Dash Snow although I don't really know too much about him. I like Legs. The Nan Goldin photo you wrap up with is really beautiful, it transports you into the pool room! If I had a gallery, those are the pieces I'd show.
hankx32 2 years ago
Great show, But I've always been suspicious of the gender criteria... the fact is, most of these artists are good, and some are bad, not because they are women, but because they are good or bad, period. If you did a show entitled "the male gaze", would it make more sense? I personally don't see much in common between Kara Walker and Lisa Yuskavage, or between Louise Bourgeois and Dumas. Thanks James.
claureic 2 years ago
dear claureic.....i understand your point, but. We really do live in a mans world, as james brown said. We have male oriented religions all over the world, male dominated work places, male dominated political structures and our languauge itself is often gender specific toward the male. In a balanced world your point is valid, but the minority needs specificity until the culture evolves. just my opinion:)
MrWowforever 2 years ago
Let me just reply briefly: You both might enjoy friending me at facebook the the Loren J. Munk page. There's been an on going discussion hosted by Jerry Saltz regarding the disproportionate display of female vs male artists at MoMA, and his attempts to rectify it. I agree with claureic good is good, and political correctness is more dangerous than chauvinism. Taste is dictated by economics, women with cash will change this faster than the PC crowd.
jameskalm 2 years ago
political correctness must be squashed and then f***ed. the monochrome is a good place to start over.
MrWowforever 2 years ago
Considering the Saltz attempt, I've been following it without joining it for the reasons I expressed. I think it pointless. Besides, the Met's proportion of women artists is less than 1%, whereas Moma's is 7% according to his calculations. I see this as a chronological and statistical progress. Now tell me: does the question "is Krasner better than Pollock?" make any sense? How about "Is Tuymans worse than Dumas?"
claureic 2 years ago
OK, but the risk of specifity is political correctness, in other words hypocrisy and, worse, ghettoisation. Check the current show at the Pompidou on their site, I'm curious to know your opinion. Also, Moma is certainly not a mirror of the NYC gallery scene...
claureic 2 years ago
gender specific shows always bug me, as do any groupings of artists based on anything but talent. Black artists, women artists, fat artists. i also don't like outsider artist status either, does that mean i'm an insider? the Pompidou show seems, at the glance i took, just another one. this is tricky territory, sure to offend, but curators should be bolder in dismissing these easy groupings and instead...challenge us with new methodoligies and ways to see the work
MrWowforever 2 years ago
Pretty much all these artists are well known and wealthy. Not exactly good choices if they're hoping to address the hardships faced by female artists- because these artists have careers that most artists, male or female, could only dream of.
ar4216 2 years ago
can't believe your free. thanks much respect
Moonsabie 2 years ago
Hey Moonsabie,
send cash if it would make you feel better!
JK
jameskalm 2 years ago
good show, the Dumas piece is great.
quenchedinlife 2 years ago