Eight Men Out

[sacman1222]

Regardless of the verdict of juries, no player who throws a ball game, no player who undertakes or promises to throw a ball game, no player who sits in confidence with a bunch of crooked ballplayers and gamblers, where the ways and means of throwing a game are discussed and does not promptly tell his club about it, will ever play professional baseball

[luisisawesome22]

that was in out

[DisappearingBoy88]

Shame what happened to Jackson and Weaver. They both hit over .300 in the series and basically had their careers cut in half.

[kingnat2]

my dad is in this movie.

[billj35]

Kingnat2...I wonder if I got a chance to meet him. The set was totally interactive; John Mahoney and John Sayles and everyone else hung out on the field. On he w off et, I andothers would give extras a ride. A tribute to John Sayles and Midge Pillsbury and all the mucky mucks.

[raterrizer]

Chalie Sheen, John Cusack and Christopher Lloyd this is an A + + movie and you guys and your movie get thumbs up and thankyou for your great work

[jonnielf]

great movie lol i just watched it today

[billj35]

I really haven't met many people who haven't really enjoyed it. Yet, my wife just mentioned that she hadn't seen it yet. Imagine that

[restlessr84]

My favorite line: "You have 8 guys who will throw the world series? I find that hard to believe."

"You never played for Charlie Comiskey."

[billj35]

"Shoeless" Joe Jackson couldn't read or write and he was led to believe his"confession" was simply a staement. Ray "Cracker" Schalk never did approve of Elliot Asenoff's rendition. Judge Landis looked for a quick fix and got it. Charles Comiskey was a tough street wise businessman who held a tight rein on spending. A little Vig went a long way in those days,eh? bj

[restlessr84]

Too tight a rein on spending, evidenced by cheating Eddie Cicotte out of a $10k bonus and making the players pay for things other teams provided (such as laundry and cheaper meal allowances). Dickie Kerr, I understand, later tried to leave the Sox for semi-pro baseball because semi-pro paid more than Comiskey did. (he was known to provide lavish spreads of food for the Chicago media at the baseball games). If Comiskey hadn't been a tightwad, the 1919 scandal would not have happened.

[hulkyone]

@restlessr8 I think the film didn't portray the story completely accurate. I think that they should do a remake titled Six Men Out, Two Men In. They should show a more reasonable side of the story that suggests Cominsky wanted Jackson banned from baseball. When Jackson was banned from baseball, he couldn't threaten the White Sox by playing for another team or ask for a raise. The team's own attorney represented Jackson and also got the barely-literate Jackson to sign a confession waiver

[hulkyone]

@restlessr84 Not to be vain or anything, but my theory has good logic to it. Jackson was arguably the most valuable player in baseball at the time and Charles Comiskey was a known penny-pincher. Jackson could've wound up playing for good teams like the New York Yankees, Red Sox or the Detroit Tigers. Weaver was also quite innocent. Later in life, Weaver found an attorney in New York who guaranteed he would be taken off the banned list. However, his paperwork disappeared after he mailed it

[EddieNeverSleeps]

Is there any actual footage of the 1919 World Series? Like from a newsreel or something?

[billj35]

You know what Ed, I don't know what actual film might be or have been available. I'm sure John Sayles and or Eliot Asinof or one of the producers might have more info...Google might too bj :)

[billj35]

You are obviously a very well informed student of baseball history. Have a Happoy Holiday Season. Cy

[russphilly]

must have been fun Bill!!

[billj35]

Absolutely the best thing outside of my vocation that I participated in. Just visited old Busch Stadium in Indy and it sent a few chills my way.

[billj35]

Strangely enough Eliot Asinof who authored the screenplay into a book and finally a screenplay again died this week. John Sayles and Charlie Sheen andDb Sweenney and others made my two week stay on set quite a memorable one and for my wife and children as well. I'd really thought it was going to launch my second career, but there is little call for a dog faced umpire these days. I played the Chicago ump Cy Rigler and met his grandso who was about my age. Bill Jennings

[newworld75]

Just watched this movie again the other day. Then I watched all the 20th anniversary extras. Then I watched it again. A remarkable accomplishment -- great acting and direction. I think this has to be one of the best sports movies ever made, right up there with Raging Bull.

[billj35]

I believe it has been voted the best baseball film ever made. Unfortunatly Studs Terkel, who had a large part in the film passed away this year. Too John Mahoney, the White Sox Mgr, did a masterful job. Just went over to the old Busch Stadium where filming took place and it is completely locked and a shadow of its former self. bj

[EddieNeverSleeps]

The Indianapolis Indians' stadium was called Busch too? That's alot of Busch Stadiums. 4, at last count.

[EricAKATheBelgianGuy]

Bush Stadium, without the C.

[EddieNeverSleeps]

Oh ok.

Well, at least the White Sox made up for the 1919 scandal by winning the 2005 World Series.

And sorry cub fans are now going on 101 years without a World Series win. HAHAHA!! Pathetic.

Since the cubs last won the World Series, the Sox won a World Series, THREW a World Series, had everyone from that World Series throwing team die of old age, then won the World Series again in a 4 game sweep over the Astros. HAHAHA!!!