TF2 Tactics: How fast should you be able to Build your Defense?

[G773NOriginal]

easy target for spy : backstab, sap, cloak, move to the teleporter, sap, Own

[Unit047]

Because clearly you're supposed to use all of the ammo boxes in the area...

[GreenTreeAnimations]

Missio..COWBOY UP!!

[Neslakim]

That works fine when you are the only engineer. Normaly there are about 2-4 and they take all the boxes for them self... so you have to wait

[xStrawberryKitty]

@Neslakim Oh, the joys of online games.

[SergioSource]

Problem is when your noob team wastes ammo on warmup and takes the ammo packs for themselves

[technoguyx]

@SergioSource ikr.

[XeindiorulezFTW]

And I barely have time to get to the BLU spawn....

[B1azR]

Also assuming that your retard teammates haven't eaten all the ammo boxes

[RobbySkateDeckin]

This is indeed useless, as all the ammo boxes will be used up if there is other engineer.

[Carbonizer8]

Minecraft level graphics



[DIBandage]

@Carbonizer8 Compare minecraft graphics to dwarf fortress graphics

[clinton699]

A few seconds to spare? you forgot to upgrade your dispenser and teleports!

[PopFlyGov]

@clinton699 the idea here is that as long as you have the fire power you can work on upgrading the other stuff during the fight. unfortunately it's extremely unrealistic and should not be used as a guide post in any sense. you have to consider other engineers need metal as well, and oblivious teammates will consume ammo boxes to needlessly rocket jump/sticky jump/shoot their mini-gun. all this means that an engineer can/will only be as good as his team.

[BIGBEART8]

He just stole all the metal from the other engineers as well. This isn't very practical or team friendly, at best this is good for pubs where you don't give a crap.



[ChiefBada]

@BIGBEART8 A pub server is the only server with more then one engineer.

[catnads]

Now add a team that always jacks your metal.

[Sumbudie]

what if your too ocd to do this?

[mngamer2010]

how come whenever im an engineer, i dont build stuff as fast?

[FluffyJay1]

MAI GOD WHAT RESOLUTION IS THAT?

[nochillarickroller]

This is a great video, but you should stand in that corner and set up the sentry to the right, and the dispenser to the left. This will create a barrier that %90+ of spys cannot get through, so no worries on backstabbing. Since your stuff is right there, it takes little effort to repair either of your buildings. Plus the fact that the BLU team can't see the sentry makes it all the more team abolishing when they don't see it around that corner.

[ThePrimith]

Interesting. I've been hugely inefficient as an Engineer, and I should try adopting this sort of build order at the start of games.

[mugoman]

I respectfully disagree: it's more important to upgrade the teleports IMHO, at least in that particular map.

[Zenthik]

Yeah, that sentry'll last all of 2 seconds in that spot.

[97tcook]

@Zenthik not unless your a good engie

[PopFlyGov]

@97tcook okay, you're right. if you are a good engie it will last slightly longer, say... 15 to 20 seconds. the problem with that spot is a lot of things: 1) that it's very visible to the opponent, so they can easily concentrate their fire on it and damage it faster then you can repair it. 2) you can't easily see the opponent without leaving the sentry alone for a time, which compounds the problem i just mentioned. 3) you must tank your sentry with your back exposed, spies love that.

[HiImSuan]

@Zenthik He said set it up, not keep it up.

[VolksPole]

@HiImSuan so how about setting up all buildings by the spawn. It would be much faster...

[SkulkingMEDIA]

What about using the Jag for faster building?

[Oremir]

@SkulkingMEDIA The Jags bonusses are really negligible, The Jag's construction speed bonus when hitting a building non-stop while constructing means that an Engineer can deploy a Sentry Gun 0.75 seconds faster, or a Dispenser 1.5 seconds. Those 2 seconds are not going to matter, especially if you cant get Metal in between.

[01Lagger]

@Oremir If your sentry is under fire by heavies and what not then it can help quite a bit.

[cyasar46]

Do the dispenser first.

[TheSubtitler1]

Why can't I stand on my dispenser?

[ZakobYoa]

@TheSubtitler1 you have to crouch jump

[TheSubtitler1]

@ZakobYoa Thx man =D!

[Snowgerable]

@TheSubtitler1 Your a noob Engineer are you?

[TheSubtitler1]

@Snowgerable Well, I don't think so. Though I do believe that beeing a engineer is for pussies. My record with kills with one sentry is 16 and if I compare that with my friends its a amazing score.

But I'm probably not the best engineer ever ^^.

[Snowgerable]

@TheSubtitler1 How to stand on a dispenser or Sentry is to Sentry jump of use a platform.

Use level 3 Sentry doesn't work with 1, 2, or mini.

Also get a wrangler.

[MinecraftGamerful]

@TheSubtitler1 Nice man my score with engineer is 23 also the best of all i have is 33 kills with the medic :)

[AzNgiftedkid]

You could save even more time by jumping as much as possible.

[oksel100]

DISPENCER! YEEEEAH lol

[Bain0o]

....then the uber heavy appears.

[TheBleson]

@Bain0o

No, engineer update

[Travaillons]

@Bain0o Pyros use compression spam!

[Masterpivot292]

Would it be the same if the map was Badwater. I usually play a server that's 24/7 pl_badwater

[MrRevenant31]

There will be tons of teammates who will grab this ammo

[TFMusicVids]

@MrRevenant31 not many considering the match hasn't even begun at that point

[Computergeew]

After all of that:

I AM FULLY CHARGED

*ubers a heavy, heavy starts shooting sentry*

*demoman demospams demostickies on sentry*

*spy backstabs the engineer*

I think it would be a better idea to put the sentry back at your base, just incase BLU is able to push the cart farther.

[LJ550]

Missi-COWBOY UP!

[Piecopter]

Building to defend the last point is sometimes what I do. I'm like the backup. If the front fails, then the enemy will rush towards the last point and your team is dead. If there is no one at the last point, you lose. It has happened to me quite a few times when I didn't play as engineer.

[TruthNeedBeTold]

Mission: Cowboy Up!

[i7zan]

Otherwise you're not much of a teamplayer and TEAM Fortress 2 is not for you...go write some more descriptions :)

[i7zan]

Yes that generally works if you're the only one on the server...however there are usually 2-3 engies on defence so I'd suggest leaving some metal to them too... I estimate 2 teles + dispencer and level 1 sentry before the siren =)

[druidenis]

spy sapping my everything :(

[josh2006master]

@druidenis i love to do that to some of my friends that say they love engie and that they are the best :) i like to backstab them and sap their sentries and run away and only torture them just to stick it to them :)

[TadRaunch]

If I'm playing something other than medic I will usually play engie during setup and upgrade the teleporter, switch to my class and teleport into the battle... to help the engie out a bit. I usually play medic though.

[Whoexactlyshatonwho]

@TadRaunch dont you wana charge the uber though

[TadRaunch]

@Whoexactlyshatonwho That's why I said I only do it if I'm not playing medic

[jackleungfingerboard]

misson:COWBOY UP

[KOstabmybackKO]

lol, how in the world is that a defense? No ubers? there are hardly any scenario where a single demo/soldier cannot take down a sentry.

[xXxGLORYxXx]

GOD DAMN TEAM MATES KEEP TAKING MY FUCKING METAL

[RawDogg1551]

Just get a jag its much faster

[nonobaOMGWEEGEE2]

MISSION COWBOY UP

[Bazatage]

and next Überheavy comes

"Sentry down!"

[FatalTacoGiB]

Mission-COWBOY UP :D

[tacoslurpee12345]

why was the timer so BIG

[TheEngennier]

@tacoslurpee12345 i think he wantet to show that it is possible to build a lvl 3 sentry and a dispenser and both teleporters before time is up

[MagusUnion]

@TheEngennier

However, only the Sentry is level 3, and the rest of his stuff is still at gimply lvl 1.... So if the enemy Uber's straight out the door and kills at least half your team in the process, that single sentry is not going to help anyone as it'll be shot down next...

It's good to see that yes, it's possible to get everything on the field, but you still need a solid defense OUTSIDE of a lvl 3 sentry or two when it comes to this type of map...

[MrEarcheese]

@tacoslurpee12345 He edited it in with a video editor to show the time more clearly.

[thirion1850]

Thankfully, hauling now exists.

[kingturkey2]

@thirion1850 Move 'em out!

[CopyrightPropaganda]

@thirion1850

Extremely inefficient, though.

[Ainkut]

@CopyrightPropaganda if you put directly at the enemy spawn, inefficient. hauling to area denial where they normally cannot see is. course once they know its there, demoman pays a visit. but, until a demo...yeah i know its slow as well, and its same speed to set it back up, but it can help. situational

[pineapplepootytang]

.....if you're playing by yourself self, maybe

[Snip3rNife]

Brilliant! Thank you.

[DuntikPeelz]

Hah, mission COWBOYUP!

[Sonictunic]

Nice vid but i cant help to rage when....A FUCKING SOLDIER ROCKET JUMPS AND TAKE A WHOLE AMMO PACK! >:[

[MrCorpseGrinder88]

1:17 aaaand backstabbed. 

[colafass]

"Mission "COW BOY UP!!"

lol

[nikopoulet]

ya but your teleporters and your distrubtor aren't upgraded!

[PuffOReilly]

@nikopoulet this video was made before you can

[Rajeevv67]

sometimes it dont work bcos, more than 1 engineer in the team

[seth4563210]

@Rajeevv67 LOL read the highest rated uploader comment

[I1am1one]

3..

2..

1..

*tons of pipes flying to sentry gun*

THATS THE WAY YOU DO IT! SEE?

[subressor1]

you is ninja! xD

[Villaking1337]

And why did you do this on your own? So what this video is telling me is that this tactic is impossible to do online with other players as there are other engineers around stealing your ammo for metal. This tactic is a false use. You cannot use this online.

[ObadiahtheSlim]

On most maps, an engie should be able to get an dispenser up and a level 3 SG before the end of setup.

[peterthepet]

PRO ENG SPYS WATCH OUT

[DanJoeProductions97]

Dispenser, not dispencer.

[GamingPrower]

I wish there were more videos on quick setups as engy for different maps! lol I've overused this tactic, I want some more on dif maps :P

[poornation]

Granted your retarded team mates don't shoot randomly into the air and shoot rockets at their feet and hog the ammo, bitching and complaining about it when you need it.

[wigahiga500]

lets see you get that metal whene there are 2 engineers

and impolite players who take those ammo boxes

[TeamDarkRP]

Mission cowboy?

[allteraintrain]

Loneley dispenser is loneley :(

[cheesebuyer]

It would take longer than this becuase of the other engies taking the metal.

[joshuapsgibbons]

The only problem with your stratagy is you are open to backstabs from spies if you do stay ontop of the Dispenser. A part from that - 'Job well done.'

[loginlover]

Engineer is credit to team!

[zdonick10]

Word of advice: Don't wrench a building sentry during setup. Wrench the dispenser.

The sentry won't be killing anyone until setup is over, so the more metal before it starts the better.

[nlicky]

Very fast and good routes for picking up metal. The problem is that the sentry is in a very vulnerable position and your super fast effort would be wasted.

Still, for Gold Rush, this is the way to do it.

Generalizing, put dispensers and teleporters up early, and get the sentry quickly with ammo pickups.

[GedankeFleisch]

that was FAST!

[TheDoogleBoy]

Where is the favourite button on the new Youtube?..

[yystudios]

@TheDoogleBoy

Save in - Favorites

[leoholsbach]

Easy comes, easy goes. This sentry has a survivability period of amazing 3 seconds!

[ItamiBukoto]

@leoholsbach I always build there and it tends to hold off the intentional push of ubers. The other team tends to wise up pretty fast, but when they don't, 20+ kills with that position easily.

[samus989]

@leoholsbach you obviously dont know how to play engineer, i have taken down entire teams with my sentries

[leoholsbach]

@samus989 you obviously play against a F2P team.

[samus989]

@leoholsbach It may have been, however I have single handedly turned an entire match around with one sentry and proper team support. Obviously Engi aint the star of the show, but with a good team, a good engi can be the difference between a win and a loss. We get a bad rep from poor players.

[Cruelruin0]

@samus989 Happened to me,too indeed.Since you have a dispenser under you feet,you can tank your sentry easily.Your only enemy is the spy.With a good team to protect you from snipers and a pyro guarding you with his flamer,this defense is almost unbreakable.

[Zeta368peep]

The map was full of invisible spies

[undrtakr900]

Also while you're setting up have someone on your team stay back and upgrade your teleporter entrance. Then you only have to worry about upgrading your dispenser.

[EpicRSvids]

do you play on 1x1 or something?

[lorenzzo1995]

he was playing alone

[DaJamJ]

@lorenzzo1995 so what????? he was just showing this thing. you dont need other players for that -.-

[lorenzzo1995]

-.- i only asked to

EpicRSvids plz stfu

[Godshelp09]

@EpicRSvids A few people thumbed him up? :\

Anyways...He has the timer zoomed in if you were talking about that -.-

[dragonmekill]

He was talking about player count, 1 on 1

[Megarith123]

holy shit thats awesome time :D

[baliszabo]

Mission- COWBOYA!

[WoodenZigzagoon]

Wow that's fast.

[Datastreamx]

Just keep in mind there could be other engineers too.

[christianmalazarte]

the rate an engineer can actually use the metal is only a few seconds (2-3) shorter than a full ammo respawn. so 3 ammo packs can actually build 3 level 3 sentries with dispensers before the gate opens. this will be in my 2nd edition of this video.

[miciso666]

@christianmalazarte how u buld more than 1 sentry ffs?

[PlasmicRedX]

nice

[kevivjun]

i use this tactic alot, only good if you have ubers to counter their ubers

then it works well with support :)

[xISNExWangster]

Ahhh before dispensers and teles could be upgraded, and before spies could use ur tele. Good times.

[christianmalazarte]

lol i still remember those, man how things have changed huh

[cQnne]

@christianmalazarte i remember times when demoman stickies couldn't be destroyed, they were all over the place on dustbowl

[rubenstaps]

@christianmalazarte

not on console though :D

[Chekkogrnteam]

Its easy to overcome that. Just build your stuff on a high platform that you cant acces without a dispenser/tele combo. Then just destroy your entrance.

[AoDfirehawk]

@xISNExWangster that's why it's such a good thing xbox doesn't have a single update that's for the computer

[Bennehboii]

How come your sentry gun and all that isn't smooth when it upgrades to level 2 and 3? I've had this before using a config. Is there a fix to it? Thanks.

[christianmalazarte]

so many people misunderstood the intention of this video. it was to show how fast you should be able to build your stuff (just like the title says)

#1: ofcourse if there are other engineers or ammo is limited the actual time will vary.

pls read description

[astorpolsen]

that still leaves the problem of a level 1 teleporter, but besides that nice stile!

[cky12qxz]

NO U.

[Takunsenpai]

this is possible as long as your the only engi and there isent 3 others snatching the ammo crates or some dumb soldier rocket jumping all over and then grabbing the ammo crate cause hes out of ammo.

[NintendoGamesPro]

If there weren't two natural full ammo boxes you wouldn't have been able to build all that XD

[IKnowWereYouSleep]

too bad it takes 3 seconds to kill it.

[coffe15211]

very few people upgrade their dispensers

[NintendoGamesPro]

@coffe15211 That's really bad, since upgrading dispensers not only gives the Engy less metal, but it also gives out ammo slower and heals slower too.

[1chapper]

also, spies can charge off of their dispensers, if it's level one, they get as much cloak as they drain, meaning the dispencer is useless. I'm play spy a lot, very annoying. ;D

[NintendoGamesPro]

Which is why, by the time you have a level 3 dispenser, you're more than done your base and you're spychecking a lot.

Also, decloaking sound. When it's that close to you...

[useemeroll]

You are pretty voulnareable to backstabs though, even if the stabber would have died he prolly should have taken the Engi, Sentry with him

and possibly the dispenser

[Uszatek0]

Ok, you can build like that, however your teleport is still lvl 1 and it would take a long time for team to reach the front line. I think that building also on the first point but not so offensive gives good base for defense.

[Treblaine]

@Uszatek0

if I respawn and find a lvl 1 tele outside my spawn, I switch classes to engy for a few seconds to upgrade the tele then go back to my old class... the upgrades stay.

If only morep layers did that it would be some much easier when I play engy.

[johnsvideoposter]

this is assuming theres no other engy on ur team or else your time will be added onto an additional 10 seconds for metal spawn.

[Stevoman1995]

sentry spot= spy heaven

[pikie1011]

hes hoggin the metal

[cky12qxz]

Why does it matter if tele exit is suppose to be facing a wall?

[SqueakyKIA]

Would you like to sit on a teleporter only to teleport face first into a wall?

[cky12qxz]

Lol. i see thar.

[hjerteress]

@cky12qxz

also, its IMPORTANT to prevent telecamping, if you port in disoriented, you are a sitting duck for enemy spies and snipers, so always make sure teleporters are next to a wall!

[stickrox]

erecting a dispenser... wierd

[F47Games]

I agree with the others. You should make another one in a real player gime with at least around 10 people, and see if you can do the same thing.

[LoveNeverFails1]

This is the same thing I do and it works great if you are the only engi; in low player count games it is often the case. Obviously if a demo or pyro take the metal b4 the round starts you will lose a little time and have to be more resourseful. Often if there is a second engi taking the metal I just help him build and I drop a sucide sentry and try to build my stuff back a little farther.

[TomClark2]

Even being the only engineer on the team, others take your ammo supplies, so it really is an Ideal. Good video though!

[Raklryja]

considering fellow engys wont take it...

[captvimes]

You need to revisit this as you would screw any other engineers with this setup strategy. You can get a level 3 up and teleporter just as the countdown ends picking up the nearest ammo pack near you twice. Once for the dispenser (which you build first, last to build is the tele exit which you should be able to drop just in time).. To do this hit the dispenser to build it quicker. You will save a lot of metal this way and your team mates wont hate you :)

[mipera]

PRO

[M30W3R]

Even though you have a point, your run was player-less. Most team mates can basically take the big ammo packs just for having spread a rocket or two to build a ubercharge.

[Foojack100]

Not to mention if there is more than one Engineer. I think this should have been done in a real game.

[JarvidO]

Well they shouldn't. Because Uber rate is the same during setup time.

[M30W3R]

Ok, but most of the matches in TF2 are random pubs. Players are far from being skilled, let alone clever enough to understand that you have to get the metal first.

[coolestcats]

not to meantion the position that he has to be in for repairing the sentry, a skilled spy can backstab him and sap the buildings before the sentry can turn around. Also your head is peaking out when you repair it making for an easy headshot from a sniper

[ironmatts]

@coolestcats yes

[LouisLeGros]

the bottom of the sentry has a large hitbox that will shield him from sniper shots from a lot of angles.

[coolestcats]

@LouisLeGros that is true and i agree with you somewhat but however it will not protect him from all positions and the fact it makes it obvious theres an engi there so people are gonna try to kill him

[EJLfilms]

What res do you record with ? and what res are you rendering in?

[christianmalazarte]

i record and render at 720p

[EJLfilms]

what resolution?

[christianmalazarte]

720p is 1280x720