In the end, you will never EVER convince Quebeckers that they do not form a nation. Forget it. If you give Quebec more control over itself instead of giving it perequation money that turns us into chronical whiners (I admit and am ashamed of it), it would gurantee political stability for Canada, rather than Trudeau's liberal, utopic "flat Canada" that poisoned Quebec-Canada relationships for the last 40 years.
As a Quebecker, I would be more than ready to trade political autonomy on cultural matters against an official guarantee from the Quebec National Assembly that separation is illegal, and that Canada is an undividible state."Quebec is an authentic Nation part of the Canadian Federation, which is itself undividible". It would end the debate there and then.
If Quebec could be recognized as a nation part of the Canadian Federation by our fellow countrymen, coast-to-coast... It would kill separatism overnight. I do not mean that Québec is better than any other province, not at all. Its particular. Other provinces wouldnt have anything to loose from a Quebec autonomy. Its a win-win situation. We could control the levers to ensure our cultural perennity inside Canada, and it would bring the whole Federation better political, thus financial stability.
Quebec trying to separate for a third time, will accomplish nothing. It will only tarnish Canada's reputation and credibility as a country in the eyes of the international community.
This will cause many more problems in the long run, as new Quebec currency will have to be created, border legislation created and what of the 22 Reg? Will they fight for Canada's interests or Quebec's? What of the hydro electricity Quebec generates? how far will you go for a Quebec libre?
How could you possibly entertain the idea of splitting this beautiful country apart. We've stood strong together as a bi-lingual, multicultural community, and are held in high regards worldwide.
We must hold together and display our country's pride, especially in this critical transition the planet seems to be going through.
IF Quebec is given the title of it's own nation, then who's next? maybe Alberta will claim independence because they don't want to share in the oil sand profits? Ridiculous.
@ziomany thanks for that compliment! and i'll troll any video that supports quebec becoming a free nation. PS i have balck and hispanic friends...i aint racist. you are the shit in this
@ziomany For example: I like Chinese foods, but I hate their manners. For mother fucking French, same shit; Quebecois r shit people who always jealous of neighbouring province.
@Poseidon99Jeus first of all, you suck at spelling 2nd of all, why do you think quebec is jealous of any other province? Quebec barely even mentions any other province outside of quebec, quebec concentrates on quebec and right now; there is a corrupt federalist government in quebec; now i'm no seperatist by any stretch but i support democracy and regulation of the government. We're not shit people, it is you who is ignorant about us.
@ziomany If Quebec tries to separate from Canada. God damn mother fucker, there will be huge fucking war; and as u know, everytime in history French people r loser to British guys.
@Poseidon99Jeus if you only knew that english society was built by french elites and that england was confined to its small island for almost 1000 years.
another thing to note is if france had invested military re-enforcement against england, there would be no english settlements in north america, sadly thats not how history pans out and we live in a democratic society once again, influenced by the french.
@ziomany Hahahaha, If French had won, the world would be under chaos !! Britain has US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and so on. U fucking French, what do u have ? France is ruled by an alien, Sarkozy !! Go fuck urself !!
@Poseidon99Jeus last time i checked, being part of the commonwealth isn't being part of the empire senor lard ass.
in that case france has half of the continent of africa, a good chunk of south america, vietnam and yes quebec and southern us, you know why? francophonie bitches.
oh you should note that, david cameron and nicolas sarkozy are pretty much the same right wing fascists but with different names, as for harper, we all know hes a robot.
@ziomany R u sure, u guys have 1\2 of Africa? I mean the contrary, North African people possess 1\2 of France because u guys r fucked up. U guys have the most immigrant in Europe.
@Poseidon99Jeus Learn History , US Isnt Britain's , Canada And Australia Too And New Zealand. They Just Follow The Queen. Youre an idiot , Britain still has a queen from 1700 and France is FCKIN FREEE
@LolHabboProductions hey calme t nerfs moi j'aime po les canadiens parcequ'ils sont plus comme les américains j'ai rien contre les anglais d'angleterre parcque sinon sans eux on srait d francais pis ma t'dire chui ben content de pas être Francais. TABERNAC>PUTAIN
quebec please separate, Canada is sick of supporting its crack addicted child..... please be ignorant and separate and see how poor you will be.... people in quebec who dont want to separate, just leave that third world hole
What is being entirely ignorant is to endure a partnership with people that hate us with the passion you demonstrate. How some people believe that actually works for us is beyond me.
As for comparing Québec to the third world, I advise the purchase of a mirror before you start calling anyone an 'ignorant' again. I assume 'crack' is a metaphor for 'money', are you equipped to have an argument on that?
In Belgium, there's two nations, Flemish and Walloons. Clearly different both recognized by the federal government. Majority speaks flemish(59%) and Walloons speaks french, there's event 1% that speaks german and they are also recognized by the government. Flemish and Walloons are as different as English Canadians and Quebecers. So are the acadians in New-Brunswick and the First Nations !
C'est pas le combat des anglais... il faut comprendre ca. Ca sert a rien a s'époumoner a les envoyer chier (même si ca fait du bien). Il faut plutot concentrer notre énergie a convaincre les québecois.... les convaincrent que le Québec, c'est grand. Que notre culture, notre histoire et notre langue valent la peine qu'on se batte. Si on lache alors les anglais ont gagné et Lord Durham va pouvoir faire le party au Paradis (ou en enfer)
Un Québecois qui parle contre le Québec... Si il croit que son peuple est pas assez grand pour exercer sa souveraineté politique alors qu'il aille chier. Pour les autres soyons courageux parce la lutte va être longue et pénible...
god what is wrong with you french people look quebec is Canadian soil not quebecois soil...you look on a map or anything like that do you see a seperated nation no you see a province...FACT:quebec is not a nation but a province of canada its seperation ended a long time ago a country can have multiple languages at once and still be one country.
besides why seperate...have you french morons even considered the danger of doing so. youll be desicrating Canadian soil....unacceptable.
@MrMusterdtiger91 It is high time to strip all Quebecois separatists of their Canadian citizenship and deport them right back across the pond to France where they belong. Quebec belongs to Canada and not them. Quebec is not a nation and never will be and it is only a province of Canada, nothing more and nothing less. The Parti Quebecois, Saint Jean Baptist Society and other likeminded groups should be banned and it's members jailed and supporters deported from Canada ASAP to France.
@MrMusterdtiger91 Great Britain was wrong not to deport the French Canadian populaiton back to France after it had conquered New France (Canada) after the French and Indian War (1755-1763). The British Empire gave French Canadians a choice, they can either accept British rule and swear loyalty to the Crown or they can return to France. Unfortanly they did not decide to go back to France and accept British rule and loyalty to the Crown. As far as I am concerned this offer still stands.
@sinclaire70 I think you should interview the descendents of the confederate rebels who tried to have the southern states declare independence from the Union. Now Abraham Lincoln did not back down or appease the confederate traitors and he sent in the army and navy to destroy the rebels. The Union army and navy burned whole cities to ground like Atlanta Georgia and Columbia South Carolina and killed 50.000 southerners and after the American Civil War, about a million people were dead.
@RoyalistCavalier What is your point with this comment? are you saying English Canada and Quebec should have a civil war to settle the issue? It would never be permitted to happen anyway even if both sides wanted to. the United States would never tolerate an open civil war on their border. In any case The US civil war was a costly waste and solved little, the regional differences between the south and the rest of America are still massive to this very day.
@RoyalistCavalier the white anglo apartheid rule in Canada is over--neo canadians and neo québecois outpower you old unilingual anglo assholes who are crying for the top positions you have lost--for sure we multilingual competent immigrants and québecois now have positions once reserved for you unilingual white wasps--nobody will fight to establish you old english guyser back to power
@RoyalistCavalier Canada is a Nato member and as a UN member has to follow exact rules--Slovakia separated from the Czech Republic under democratic rules and regulations--if Québec choses to separate nobody will prevent this--war is no option in Canada--.chinese-italian-greek-jamaican immigrants won't figth for a racist anglo minority
canadians are stupid. i am american and i can speak french haha stupid canadians. les canadiens anglais ne sont pas capables de parler francais quand je suis americain haha
@MUNYEA Unfortunately, Quebec is a province in Canada, and probably my favourite one, simply because I have a lot of respect for European-based culture and European values, etc. As much as I want everyone to be free and stuff, Quebec separating would be bad for Canada as a whole. It would be bad for the majority of ppl. I don't blame you for wanting to separate especially with Harper in power. He has done a veyr good job pissing off and alienating the people of Quebec.
@Freethinker12341 Vous devez comprendre que le Québec est un pays très fier de la culture à travers son parcours européen. Il faut tourner la page et séparés d'un pays qui a abanded ces routes. Le Canada a abandonné les Européens et a transformé l'Asie au cours des deux dernières décennies.
Quebec's culture is based on European culture.... it's already here. European values are just as good as our western cultural values, if not slightly superior at times...
@MUNYEA Quebec will ALWAYS be able to keep its culture safe. That's what Trudeau wanted. He celebrated the uniqueness of Quebec culture, just as much as he celebrated the uniqueness of Ontario culture as much as Western culture and maritimes culture. Quebec and Alberta however have always been the two provinces that always demanded special powers. Alberta is the worst though because its culture breeds the nasty Harper/Manning type of ppl. sorry i dont speak french i can only understand it
@Ameilleur1 the un has nothing to say about quebec and canada. you cannot rightfully separate. it won't happen and the hate you have you'll carry to your grave forever a canadian. I'm better than you and you are beneath me.
@b1naqm28 no. labrador is part of newfoundland. rupert's land will transfer back to the crown. northern quebec will disapper and be part of ungava. all these land grabs by quebec were contingent on quebec remaining is canada, if you leave you will lose those lands - and possibly half of montreal. after all magog, georgeville, beebe and sherbrooke, and most of the estrie was founded and all settled by unijted empire loyalist in the 1790's and should return to Canada as werll.
@UpstairsMaid Good point. Deciding on boundaries in such an event, is contingent on where (and when) to place the demarcations. If we were to consider the most recent and current boundaries, a larger Quebec, covering more metropolitian areas would be in the plans. However, if one were to consider "traditional" boundaries, the area would be greater still. It would be in the best interests for a Quebec-free Canada, to withhold the traditional and instead rely in the current confines. Thoughts?
@UpstairsMaid French made Canada and Brits make Quebec. Loyalist have done nothing but escape USA like puss because they're monarchia dumbfucks. Go kill yourself, if you claim to get back lands then we claim to get back canada
@TheBienpro french began canada - built lower canada and extended exploration and forts and trading posts into manitoba and down into the states. yel settled the south east part of quebec and built georgeville, beebe, sherbrooke, magog, etc ie the cantons de l'est. ruperts land was crown land given to ontario and to quebec as part of confederation - if quebec secedes they have broken the agreement of confederation and rupert's land returns to the crown. this is a legal treaty signed by quebec
@TheBienpro the rest of canada - british columbia, alberta, sask, and yukon were settled mostly by scots and english. newfoundland, nova scotia, ontario were mostly built by the sctos and english except for cap breton and a small part of newfoundland/ the fact is is that this country is a federation because many were involved - the natives, the inuit, and western europeans. then waves of immigrants from italy, germany, ukraine, portugal, china, japan etc this is the truth.
threatenng someone with death as you have just done will get your account closed. the first viable colony of new france that lasted more than 3 years was quebec city in 1608. the first viable scottish colony was in nova scotia in 1629 which was lost when nova scotia was returned to france and the scots were expelled. so this great historic advantage that quebec has over the rest of canada amounts to 21 years in a 400 year history - can anyone say bogus?
understanding quebec as a nation my arse, if the bastard toads love france then why the fuck dont they fuck of to france, i live in the uk and av 2 put up with the bastard french as the nearest continent country neighbour!, every french frog cunt is the same, all mouth no action, you complain and want the world to take notice when all you do is surrender wen the shit starts! nothin but an arigant moanin shit heads when you couldnt even fight till the death in world war 2. shame on you frogies!!!
You said : "understanding quebec as a nation my arse, if the bastard toads love france then why the fuck dont they fuck of to france"
Perhaps if you did actually made an effort to understand it, you'd realise instantly that it has nothing to do with a love for France or a desire to get closer to it.
@Vineon Thanks for responding to 07979097201....so odd that 'les Canadiens' are still connected to France in some Anglo minds. They were Canadian long before most modern era Canadians considered themselves Canadian...somewhere in the 1950's-60's. If 07979097201 is Canadian, it makes what he said even more pathetic.
@07979097201 Quebec wants to get closer to France? Is that the source of Quebec nationalism?
French Canadians twice refused to fight for the Europeans. Like the Yanks they had to be dragged kicking and screaming in WWI and WWII while Anglos prompted Canada to declare war on the Krauts in 1914 and 1939 right of the bat. I'd like to know what you are smoking, I'd like some!
Certainly a good thing to have people remember that whatever Britain did, Canada did, back in those days.
Had Canada been truely independent back then, who is to say they wouldn't have done exactly what the Americans did and stayed put? In fact, I'm fairly sure this is what would have happened.
Not so sure Canadians today would be excited about the prospect of conscription should another war on another continent were to happen.
@Vineon To be honest, I think it was a matter of "identity". English speaking Canadians have been struggling with their identity since the beginning. The creation of a "Canadian identity" started with WWI and took two wars to evolve out of the "British" identity. French Canadians had an identity separate from the French even before the 1759 reinforced by the Roman Church later.
Certainly during the Falkland, the Anglos behave more like Yanks than British. So it has changed as you said.
Dion may have been a poor leader, but he's an excellent Parliamentarian who has done tremendous work to keep this country. There's a reason he didn't lose his Quebec seat to the NDP.
He's exactly the kind of MP I want: a policy geek who takes his time to consider the consequences of the laws that affects the public.
It sucks to know that ``English Canadians`` think that Quebecers are whiners, and that French Canadians think that the rest of Canada does not care about us. Quebec has a different mentality than the rest of Canada. The last federal elections proved it. But does that mean that we have to separate, that we can't work together?
We built this country together and made it the way it is today. We were able to get along for more than 400 years. I'm a Quebecer and I'm proud to say that I'm Canadian.
You said : "But does that mean that we have to separate, that we can't work together?"
Yes it does. We are in a position in which we are marginalised out of power and losing demographical weight census after census. If you aknowledge we are different, you need to think of ways to put that into effect. It isnt as a powerless minority that it can be properly managed.
There is a way to "work together" that would be more suitable however and that is as equals, country to country.
Those "tribal feelings" aren't anymore so than would be most Canadians' for rejecting a hypothetical union with the United States making of Canada its great northern 51st state. Quite a bit easier to take a country for granted when you actually happen to have one.
@fszk10 Watched vineon's stuff.Never have I seen more insular,self-important,jingoistic crap.O.K.,not true.last time was from a pauline marois clip. FSZK makes great sense. Proper RBP has yet to begin.Jack says Quebec shld maintain its clout in Ottawa regardless of pop.How do you think this will carry in western Canada?Why shld it carry? I am all for QC becoming Q. It will not be a velvet divorce though.Many issues including redrawing borders,contracts,debt, are problematic,at the least
You've watched "my stuff", it appears. I'm interested now to know what "my stuff" is. What is it that you watched? Certainly not my videos as I have none. Are you talking about my comments? Nothing would please me more than have you join the conversations, dont shy away from them.
I think the divorce might be settled quicker than you believe as neither Canada nor Québec benefits from negociations dragging.
@Vineon Hi,just clicked on your name and was taken to the land of provincialism,if you understand the word.Also ,you never said if you wld like to join me for a beer.
A beer, perhaps. I've had conversations with people that lasted long enough that I felt it'd be interesting if we met. I don't think we're there yet however.
Provincialism is your term. What would you call a profile where Canadian symbols are all over the place? I make it no secret that this account was created to comment on videos regarding Québec and its appearance reflects just that.
@Vineon remember,i am on your side.just the details and enough guts on your side to get it done.how many navel gazing sessions do you guys have to go through until you get it right.
You're not on "our side". While you do want Québec do secede, you want it to do so weakened. From this stems your map redrawing proposal. One thing stands as certain, there is no independent Québec that involves partition.
You're a hypocrite. "Provincialism" as you call it (I'd call it Québec nationalism, "nation" being more befitting) is not any more a narrowness of mind than would be your attachment to Canada.
@Vineon Well then, no independent Q. I want Q stronger at its core.You will have to lose your own version of imperialism against those who don't share your tribal yearnings.
Pretty funny you'd call Québec nationalism 'imperialism' when all that is revendicated is control over the lands in which we live. Imperialism in my book would be seeking control beyond that.
You still haven't told me how my attachment to the Québec nation is any more tribal than your own to Canada's.
@Vineon I dont sing hymnes or recite any other syrupy,(maple?),odes to the motherland.See your link. Dont have language police,gross govt intervention on how and where my children cld be educated or any other traits that portray a society that is not comfortable in its own skin.Despite the bravado.A mature ,confident society does not need to be so insular.
You don't need language legislation, don't give me this crap about not having it. Education "restrictions" seen in Québec are seen pretty much everywhere around the world, we don't follow a different model. Canada doesn't either offer public education in languages that arent 'official'. Yet I'm very much doubting you'll complain about being unable to send your kids to a mandarin public school.
@Vineon I am an atheist,organized religion is anathema to me.No funding for any theist,or race based program.I see now that Q has a adopted an educational program of tolerance for all religions.Baptist v Wiccans, or Catholics v Q"s home built religion, the Raelions No matter ,they all rank parri passu.More liberal elitism. I very much agree with Mr Duceppe when he says there is no place for official multiculturalism in Q.Have you ever read the NY times bestseller,"America Alone"?
I have no idea why you swing the conversation to multiculturalism this way. Reading this small resume of yours, you're more in tune with Québec's view on multiculturalism than Canada's. No I haven't read that book and I'm still not sure anyway if America faces a demographical change on the magnitude as the one seen in Europe. I do not because I feel America (and Canada) have been smarter, they diversified their immigration a whole lot more.
@Vineon i very much agree with QC's position on multiculturalism,another trudeau disaster.Anyway damn good book.NY times bestseller and the author was charged by the cdn human rights comm for spreading hate.
The transfer of both passives and actives I assume will be a reflection of demographics. A population representing 23% would take this much of the Canadian debt. You were talking about a divorce weren't you? This is exactly like we settle one.
Québec owns the Canadian currency as much as does Canada and it'd be perfectly fine to use it until it is safe to use our own. A lot of countries actually use foreign currencies.
This said, this hopefully would only be temporary, as I don't believe an oil driven dollar helps a province (country) that owns very little of it. The current overevaluated Canadian dollar hurts Québec's economy (and Eastern Canada's) more than helps it.
@Vineon How about fiscal and monetary policies.You have challenged me on my understanding of economics.I will take you on anyday on our debate where economics is the subject.
You said : "I will take you on anyday on our debate where economics is the subject."
Then lay there your fundations and lets go at it. Every single one of your posts lacked elaboration, never was it shown that you have an understanding of Canadian or Québec economics.
@Vineon Fact,Q is the largest recipient of equalization transfer pmts. Not per capita , ,but the amt still accounts for 25% of Q's provincial budget. That is a fact.There are many cost savings to both parties by eliminating official bilingualism.Another Trudeau fiasco.My understanding of economics is sound and demonstrated in education and practice.Q is unique,very statist,highly unionized,and provincial.Or if you like, parochial.
Québec's yearly budget is over 65 billions and it receives 8.5 bils in equalization. Jump on your little calculator, this hardly represents 25%, not even close. What comes close to this % however is the total of transfer payments received by the province, which totalled about 18 bils last year and this includes (but isn't only) equalization.
So what you call "facts" aren't "facts" and this is why I heavily question your knowledge of Canadian economics.
Now federal transfers to the provinces go to all provinces in many forms and is paid the Canadian collectivity. What this means, is that quite an important portion of these 18 billions is directly paid by Québec itself and that Québec pays just as well for transfer payments going to the other provinces.
What it means, is that what Québec receives that it didn't pay is much, MUCH lower than 25% of its budget, assuming you even are still following.
Didn't say otherwise, but it definitely doesn't reach anything close to 25% of its budget.
Besides, put Alberta in any federation and it will pay equalization payments. The place, if it were a country, would have the 2nd best GDP per capita in the world after Luxembourg. This is what oil does in these current economical conjonctures. It hardly means that the rest of the world is poor.
@Vineon Albertans for the most part,and I mean the vast majority,don't complain about equalization.What does grate is the fact that the biggest payer, Alberta, keeps getting poked in the eye by other Canadians.Q was great in Copenhagen,taking hydrocarbon money with one hand while shitting on Alberta with the other.Glad you are not practicing the politics of jealousy.
Québec respected the Kyoto Accord deal Canada signed. When the rest of the world happily throws it in Canada's face that it didn't do anything to respect its own signature, it certainly was Québec's job to remind them that they, at the very least did, and should not be lumped with the rest.
@Vineon So no more guarentee of Quebecs obscene provincial debt.How wld you you fund your statist programs?Even the the founder of the BQ paints a picture of future misery for Q.Too lazy,unproductive,relying on handouts from ROC.
You confuse the Bloc with the Parti Québécois, pretty much as do all Québec commentators that do not live in the province. It is a pretty large mistake and I invite you to learn a bit from it.
The quote you refer to is likely that of Pauline Marois and she never said anything about years of misery but a certain number of years on uncertainties.
@Vineon The comments came from Bouchard.Took a lot of heat for it too.Pauline wld never be so bold.I do understand that any move to separation has to come from the province,not the protest party in the commons.Speaking of,enjoy Jack Layton.He will prove himself,already started,to be the idiot that he is.Prediction for you,nxt election the NDP will be wiped out in Canada outside of Q.This will be very good for our cause.
I very much doubt Bouchard used the term 'misery' but you might want to find the actual quote and show it to me, as I don't remember it.
I'll make a bolder prediction : the NDP will be wiped out of Québec as well for staying on the fence between its allegiance to Canada and a desire to keep its Québec electorate. There is no way to accomodate both and a reason independence should be sought.
@Vineon Very likely a better prediction than mine.Layton is about to be exposed.I had a great day.Raised a good some of money for islet cell transplant technology.Mcgill will be involved.Maybe does not mean much to you until they change the name of the university. I live in,wait for it..................Alberta.
The programs will be funded the same, with tax money. You do not seem to realize that there is money to be saved with independence. Money that Canada spends that Québec wouldn't spend.
For example would we spend on insanely costly bilingualism coast to coast? Of course not. Do we have the northern territories sovereignty to deal with? Not anymore. Do we need the army in Afghanistan? Nope.
@Vineon Yes, big money to be saved.......On the economics thing again,in the last 2 months I have raised just under 1mm$ for bio-tech.I will match that and then some this week alone.A portion of the funds,and I am just a small part of the total, will be spent in your province on a human clinical trial.Have you ever taken a financial risk.Or better to leave that to others , you know, gov't ,unions,artists and the like.Ever written a prospectus,OM,business plan?
@Vineon Ever try and get rid of a social program? Institutional day care has been a disaster for Sweden.European grade rankings have Sweden moving from first steadily falling down the ladder,and the movement to rid themselves of this pox is being denied by the usual suspects.Takers,not makers.
Using a gradual approach with an alternative, I don't see why it couldn't be done. If the Québécois feel the service offered isnt worth the taxes they pay for it, it may likely soon be replaced. Nobody enjoys paying taxes, especially when you don't feel you get your money's worth.
@Vineon On equalization.what a basterd of a program. 50% of natural resource revenue is calculated,with the exception of the maritime provinces under the atlantic accord,since partially amended.Q's hydro is exempt.since you feel that any transfers to your province are offset,why not just scrap the entire thing?
Was it Alberta's stance what it was receiving? Wasn't it actually largely to help develop the west that it was invented? Can eastern Canada get a bit of money back from what it invested in developing the west and its natural resources? Should it be reminded that Alberta developed its oil industry off heavy federal subsidies much before anyone even believed tar sands could be profitable?
Oh yeah, let's make a big deal out of the nationalisation that was stealing the resources you weren't able to develop yourself. Have others pay and then scrap Petro Canada, fuck the investment the rest of Canada made in it. And fuck whats left of this investment, which is pretty equalization.
@Vineon Hi Vineon,I think I hit a nerve or 2.now you are showing your ignorance of Canadian economics.Before I go on,FUCK PETRO CANADA.Another trudeau disaster in statist management of the economy.Big stress over the NEP to this day.Americans developed the sedimentary basin.Q&O were too chicken shit and had no vision for the country.Do you know what the Crow rate was?If any province has been abused,it is Alberta.Can also make a case for others. more>>>
I brought up Petro Canada because I knew it a huge issue during the Mulroney reign. Alberta felt its resources were dilapidated unjustly under the NEP. It would have been unjust if the oil industry weren't one that received such heavy federal subsidies.
@Vineon your knowledge of the history of petro-can is pathetic. PC was born out of the NEP where AB was forced to subsidize the ROC with cheap oil.There was never a need for PC and it was hated out here. PC tower in Calgary is still called "red square". I have never bot a litre from a PC station even though it has long since been privatized. It was set up for your benefit,not ours.
Now Hydro-Québec, which you mentionned just now, was developped by Québec alone without any investment from the federal. That's something to be more proud of than the luck of the draw of happening to live on a province that has the most sought resource in the world.
Luck. As in it has more to do with Luck than Achievement to live in a territory that's packed with the world's most sought natural resource.
Hell, oil has even made of Newfoundland, a province of fisherman, a net equalization payer, as soon as they started exploiting their underwater reserves.
@Vineo re:HQ Actually bonds were issued domestically and internationaly.Also, a VERY large loan from AB was secured.Happy to help.Wishing for a lower currency to help your economy is silly chretienomics.With a low dollar you are just masking low productivity,importing inflation and driving wages higher. Take an economics lesson.How about the NBP,New Bloc Party, saying QC shld get more seats even if unwarranted.Just for old times sake I suppose.
With a low dollar, for a country so close to a neighbour of the US' size, you actually manage to keep your manufactures afloat. You sell a lot, you create and maintain jobs which in turn contribute to your economy. We could go in circle like this all day but at the end of this same day, there are parts of Canada, which rely on exports that happen to not be oil, that are seriously hampered by an inflated oil dollar.
You spit the usual Albertan propaganda which uses Québec as its only scapegoat. Look elsewhere than Québec for over-representation at the House of Commons (the Maritimes, Manitoba and Saskatchewan especially). Of the 23 971 740 Canadian voters, 6 110 918 are from Québec. The same % at the House of Commons would give Québec 79 seats... it has 75. Obviously, this would be much worse if 30 new seats are given out west while none are to Québec.
@Vineon hi,on this you are partially right.QC is right at the seat count it shld have bases on pop.adding the 30 wld only take ONT,BC,AB in line with QC.That wld still leave the 4 most populous provinces under-represented relative to the rest.if we were all equal with PEI there wld be 1200 seats in the HOC. the real problem is the maritimes and SK.but you cant take seats away.
Borders are not something I expect to change as any change would be completely arbitrarely. There was never a border splitting the Outaouais from Québec, for instance.
@Vineon This requires much more debate.The Cree of northern Q have clearly said that they identify with Canada.Not the racist Parizeau types.So,Canada wld hve an obligation to protect their citizenry on moral ,ethical and legal grounds.The on thing that made Parizeau apoplectic is the ? "if canada is divisible why not Q"
You said : "the Cree of northern Q have clearly said that they identify with Canada."
They definitely haven't. What you refer to is likely their opting up of the 95 referendum, they didn't enjoy having secession forced upon them. That doesn't mean they 'identify' with Canada, quite far from it. The Cree and most First Nations hold allegiance to themselves, not to Québec and neither to Canada.
But it is the Cree you want to talk about right? Those same Crees signed La Paix des Braves deal with Bernard Landry and the Parti Québécois in the early 2000s. Following this deal, very much described as ground breaking, Ted Moses, then appointed leader of the Crees backed the secessionist PQ government in the following elections.
A very similar deal was signed with the Inuits and we're still waiting for one with the Innu nation. The important thing to remember here is that the First Nations will align with whatever suits their best interests.
I believe a Québec government to be much better suited to do that than a Canadian one. After all, Québec only owns 10% of the First Nations population of Canada, the ROC would open a huge can of worms trying to compete here.
@bilzy2020 Something else to consider : even had they voted in this region against secession, it hardly means they'd back joining a Canada that doesn't include Québec. Still using the Outaouais region as an exemple, I very much doubt they'd agree to be what's left of french in Canada knowing institutional bilingualism isn't likely to remain without Québec.
@fszk10 we built this country together ?! ROFL !!!, England INVADED a French colony and since then, french canadiens now known as "quebecers" has been the english cheap labor, you guys exploited the wealth of quebec and now that you found gas and are getting richer(basically found that gas using the money WE worked for IN A CLEAN fashion) you guys now turn around and go : oh look they are leeching money from us so let them go... as always the english mentality is self-centered(look at USA)
Quebec has an identity only as long as Canada allows it.Out of 60 jurisdictions in N/A,50 states+10 provinces QC ranks 57th in gdp/capita.That is with the incredible subsidies afforded the province.Economics,mes amie,economics.
Québec's identity is not dependent on its economy which isn't dependent on Canada's anyway. To even claim otherwise would border stupidity.
There are tons of countries which you would certainly not disvalue the identity simply because their GDP per capita is not even one half of Québec's. Are we saying something as large as China lacks an identity now?
@Vineon Howdy.GDP like any measure has its flaws.Still it is a pretty good measure in that it is reliably quantified in 1st world nations.China v Q on a cultural relevancy...are you kidding? Anyway V,I am not trying to disvalue,(devalue), your powerful tribal feelings.I think our experiment in confederacy has run its course.So I wish us both the best.Just dont try and smoke me on the economic consequences for both parties esp Q.Maybe a lousy reason to keep a country together anyway.
"China v Q on a cultural relevancy...are you kidding?"
Not as much I hope as you were linking Québec's identity to it's GDP per capita. It might have you wonder how in hell Québec managed to keep an identity of its own back when it was one of the poorest nation of the western world, prior to La Révolution Tranquille.
I see you take a certain pleasure in correcting my english, which as you've guessed isn't my first language.
I'd gladly switch to french but you're likely incapable of understanding it. It doesn't stop you from having a very fixed idea on what Québec's identity is however. Who said you needed the tools to immerse yourself into a society to understand it, after all?
You likely largely overestimate what Québec gets in 'subsidies', which you should call transfer payments. Your "economics mes amis" argument likely stops at what you've been told, which is that Québec is a recipient of equalization, regardless of how the rest of the federal money is spent and if it favours Québec. When Ottawa grants billions in subsidies to the automobile and fossil fuel industries, this wont show in the equalization columns.
@Vineon Bombardier,Q auto,asbestos,dairy quota,employment in civil service.rape of NFLD hydro ,(tell me this would not have been changed decades ago if the signatories were reversed),the incredible cost of one of your most enduring contributions...massive corruption at any level of gov't. So maybe you want a bohemian lifestyle,more so than now.Quecec has WORSE finances than what brought Greece down.Remember,I am on your side,just enjoy your watered wine.
You're just throwing random names and economic sectors with no hope of actually sparking a debate. If you want to talk about Bombardier, give it a few posts. The same goes for this litany of different subjects to which you leave no room to find out just how knowledgeable you happen to be about them. The way you call it 'rape of nfld however' makes me believe it is 'very little'.
In the end, you will never EVER convince Quebeckers that they do not form a nation. Forget it. If you give Quebec more control over itself instead of giving it perequation money that turns us into chronical whiners (I admit and am ashamed of it), it would gurantee political stability for Canada, rather than Trudeau's liberal, utopic "flat Canada" that poisoned Quebec-Canada relationships for the last 40 years.
TheCuriousNose 7 hours ago
As a Quebecker, I would be more than ready to trade political autonomy on cultural matters against an official guarantee from the Quebec National Assembly that separation is illegal, and that Canada is an undividible state."Quebec is an authentic Nation part of the Canadian Federation, which is itself undividible". It would end the debate there and then.
TheCuriousNose 7 hours ago
If Quebec could be recognized as a nation part of the Canadian Federation by our fellow countrymen, coast-to-coast... It would kill separatism overnight. I do not mean that Québec is better than any other province, not at all. Its particular. Other provinces wouldnt have anything to loose from a Quebec autonomy. Its a win-win situation. We could control the levers to ensure our cultural perennity inside Canada, and it would bring the whole Federation better political, thus financial stability.
TheCuriousNose 7 hours ago
Quebec trying to separate for a third time, will accomplish nothing. It will only tarnish Canada's reputation and credibility as a country in the eyes of the international community.
This will cause many more problems in the long run, as new Quebec currency will have to be created, border legislation created and what of the 22 Reg? Will they fight for Canada's interests or Quebec's? What of the hydro electricity Quebec generates? how far will you go for a Quebec libre?
SgtWesterJJ 2 days ago
How could you possibly entertain the idea of splitting this beautiful country apart. We've stood strong together as a bi-lingual, multicultural community, and are held in high regards worldwide.
We must hold together and display our country's pride, especially in this critical transition the planet seems to be going through.
IF Quebec is given the title of it's own nation, then who's next? maybe Alberta will claim independence because they don't want to share in the oil sand profits? Ridiculous.
SgtWesterJJ 2 days ago
long live free quebec!!!! we need more materials in english and other languages!!!
bozkurt83 3 weeks ago
fuck quebec, the'll always be a part of our nation. stupid dumbass frechies
SlyFox70100 3 weeks ago
@SlyFox70100 Go troll somewhere else you theo-fascist moron.
Not to mention you're a racist piece of shit too.
ziomany 3 weeks ago
@ziomany thanks for that compliment! and i'll troll any video that supports quebec becoming a free nation. PS i have balck and hispanic friends...i aint racist. you are the shit in this
SlyFox70100 3 weeks ago
@SlyFox70100 just cause you have hispanic and black friends doesn't mean you're not a theo-fascist racist moron.
well i should rephrase that, culturally intolerant
ziomany 3 weeks ago
@ziomany i like those words: culturally intolerant.
SlyFox70100 2 weeks ago
Fuck Quebec, fuck french people !!
Poseidon99Jeus 4 weeks ago
@Poseidon99Jeus fuck you :)
jaykona 3 weeks ago
@Poseidon99Jeus you got a french music video in your favorites, bad troll fuck off.
ziomany 3 weeks ago
@ziomany Yeah, I like her song. But not people in Quebec !!
Poseidon99Jeus 3 weeks ago
@Poseidon99Jeus bad logic, ignorant logic
ziomany 3 weeks ago
@ziomany For example: I like Chinese foods, but I hate their manners. For mother fucking French, same shit; Quebecois r shit people who always jealous of neighbouring province.
Poseidon99Jeus 3 weeks ago
@Poseidon99Jeus first of all, you suck at spelling 2nd of all, why do you think quebec is jealous of any other province? Quebec barely even mentions any other province outside of quebec, quebec concentrates on quebec and right now; there is a corrupt federalist government in quebec; now i'm no seperatist by any stretch but i support democracy and regulation of the government. We're not shit people, it is you who is ignorant about us.
ziomany 3 weeks ago
@ziomany If Quebec tries to separate from Canada. God damn mother fucker, there will be huge fucking war; and as u know, everytime in history French people r loser to British guys.
Poseidon99Jeus 2 weeks ago
@Poseidon99Jeus if you only knew that english society was built by french elites and that england was confined to its small island for almost 1000 years.
another thing to note is if france had invested military re-enforcement against england, there would be no english settlements in north america, sadly thats not how history pans out and we live in a democratic society once again, influenced by the french.
go back to playing runescape you twirp.
ziomany 2 weeks ago
@ziomany Hahahaha, If French had won, the world would be under chaos !! Britain has US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and so on. U fucking French, what do u have ? France is ruled by an alien, Sarkozy !! Go fuck urself !!
Poseidon99Jeus 2 weeks ago
@Poseidon99Jeus last time i checked, being part of the commonwealth isn't being part of the empire senor lard ass.
in that case france has half of the continent of africa, a good chunk of south america, vietnam and yes quebec and southern us, you know why? francophonie bitches.
oh you should note that, david cameron and nicolas sarkozy are pretty much the same right wing fascists but with different names, as for harper, we all know hes a robot.
and the us kicked you cunts out.
ziomany 2 weeks ago
@ziomany R u sure, u guys have 1\2 of Africa? I mean the contrary, North African people possess 1\2 of France because u guys r fucked up. U guys have the most immigrant in Europe.
Poseidon99Jeus 2 weeks ago
@Poseidon99Jeus jamaican and muslim immigrants imposing sharia in british law.
even though theres nothing wrong with imigrats unless youre a racist prick
ziomany 2 weeks ago
@ziomany U r a typical of French scumbags, cock suckers, and losers !! Did u see France soccer team, hahaha.
Poseidon99Jeus 2 weeks ago
@Poseidon99Jeus i don't watch soccer, you still can't spell can you?
ziomany 2 weeks ago
@Poseidon99Jeus Learn History , US Isnt Britain's , Canada And Australia Too And New Zealand. They Just Follow The Queen. Youre an idiot , Britain still has a queen from 1700 and France is FCKIN FREEE
So Pwned Douch Bag
LolHabboProductions 1 week ago
@Poseidon99Jeus Canada is free so there wont be any war. AAAAAAND half of canadian army r quebecer rofl
LolHabboProductions 1 week ago
@Poseidon99Jeus aahah jealous of your shitty Ontario ??? ahahah Ontario is ugly , people are boring and are gay so please shut up scumbag bastard
JFguitar22 1 week ago
@Poseidon99Jeus Fuck canada fuck english people!!!
JFguitar22 1 week ago
@Poseidon99Jeus Fuck Canada, fuck english people !!
LolHabboProductions 1 week ago
@LolHabboProductions hey calme t nerfs moi j'aime po les canadiens parcequ'ils sont plus comme les américains j'ai rien contre les anglais d'angleterre parcque sinon sans eux on srait d francais pis ma t'dire chui ben content de pas être Francais. TABERNAC>PUTAIN
akinavman1 6 days ago
quebec please separate, Canada is sick of supporting its crack addicted child..... please be ignorant and separate and see how poor you will be.... people in quebec who dont want to separate, just leave that third world hole
chingmingwong 1 month ago
@chingmingwong
What is being entirely ignorant is to endure a partnership with people that hate us with the passion you demonstrate. How some people believe that actually works for us is beyond me.
As for comparing Québec to the third world, I advise the purchase of a mirror before you start calling anyone an 'ignorant' again. I assume 'crack' is a metaphor for 'money', are you equipped to have an argument on that?
Vineon 1 month ago
@chingmingwong you're 14, nuff said.
ziomany 3 weeks ago
In Belgium, there's two nations, Flemish and Walloons. Clearly different both recognized by the federal government. Majority speaks flemish(59%) and Walloons speaks french, there's event 1% that speaks german and they are also recognized by the government. Flemish and Walloons are as different as English Canadians and Quebecers. So are the acadians in New-Brunswick and the First Nations !
Donkskeeper07 1 month ago
C'est pas le combat des anglais... il faut comprendre ca. Ca sert a rien a s'époumoner a les envoyer chier (même si ca fait du bien). Il faut plutot concentrer notre énergie a convaincre les québecois.... les convaincrent que le Québec, c'est grand. Que notre culture, notre histoire et notre langue valent la peine qu'on se batte. Si on lache alors les anglais ont gagné et Lord Durham va pouvoir faire le party au Paradis (ou en enfer)
Marjorie589 2 months ago
Nation = groupe social établi sur un territoire défini présentant une unité historique, politique et culturelle
Arrêter de vivre dans le déni pauvres attardés.
Le Québec est une nation selon la définition même du mot
La question est plutot... Est-ce que vous croyez en la liberté des peuples a assurer leur souveraineté?
Les grands peuples qui ont fait leur indépendance pense que oui...
Si on veut que le Québec soit un grand peuple va falloir se réveiller...
Marjorie589 2 months ago
Un Québecois qui parle contre le Québec... Si il croit que son peuple est pas assez grand pour exercer sa souveraineté politique alors qu'il aille chier. Pour les autres soyons courageux parce la lutte va être longue et pénible...
Marjorie589 2 months ago
god what is wrong with you french people look quebec is Canadian soil not quebecois soil...you look on a map or anything like that do you see a seperated nation no you see a province...FACT:quebec is not a nation but a province of canada its seperation ended a long time ago a country can have multiple languages at once and still be one country.
besides why seperate...have you french morons even considered the danger of doing so. youll be desicrating Canadian soil....unacceptable.
MrMusterdtiger91 2 months ago
@MrMusterdtiger91 It is high time to strip all Quebecois separatists of their Canadian citizenship and deport them right back across the pond to France where they belong. Quebec belongs to Canada and not them. Quebec is not a nation and never will be and it is only a province of Canada, nothing more and nothing less. The Parti Quebecois, Saint Jean Baptist Society and other likeminded groups should be banned and it's members jailed and supporters deported from Canada ASAP to France.
RoyalistCavalier 2 months ago
@MrMusterdtiger91 Great Britain was wrong not to deport the French Canadian populaiton back to France after it had conquered New France (Canada) after the French and Indian War (1755-1763). The British Empire gave French Canadians a choice, they can either accept British rule and swear loyalty to the Crown or they can return to France. Unfortanly they did not decide to go back to France and accept British rule and loyalty to the Crown. As far as I am concerned this offer still stands.
RoyalistCavalier 2 months ago
@RoyalistCavalier
YOURE A FUCKING RETARDED IGNORANT RACIST PRICK
CANADA STARTED IN QUÉBEC , CANADA WILL DIE IN QUÉBEC
QUÉBÉCOIS WILL DECIDE WHEN
YOU RETARDED UNILINGUAL MORON READ MY LIPS : GO KILL YOURSELF
sinclaire70 2 months ago
@sinclaire70 I think you should interview the descendents of the confederate rebels who tried to have the southern states declare independence from the Union. Now Abraham Lincoln did not back down or appease the confederate traitors and he sent in the army and navy to destroy the rebels. The Union army and navy burned whole cities to ground like Atlanta Georgia and Columbia South Carolina and killed 50.000 southerners and after the American Civil War, about a million people were dead.
RoyalistCavalier 2 months ago
@RoyalistCavalier
CANADA STARTED IN QUÉBEC, CANADA WILL DIE IN QUÉBEC
ALL ENGLISH SPEAKING ASS HOLES LIKE YOU WILL BE BURNED ALIVE NEXT 24 OF JUNE
YOU RETARDED UNILINGUAL MORON IS A RELIC
VIVE LE QUÉBEC LIBRE
sinclaire70 2 months ago
@RoyalistCavalier What is your point with this comment? are you saying English Canada and Quebec should have a civil war to settle the issue? It would never be permitted to happen anyway even if both sides wanted to. the United States would never tolerate an open civil war on their border. In any case The US civil war was a costly waste and solved little, the regional differences between the south and the rest of America are still massive to this very day.
borlach321 1 month ago
@RoyalistCavalier the white anglo apartheid rule in Canada is over--neo canadians and neo québecois outpower you old unilingual anglo assholes who are crying for the top positions you have lost--for sure we multilingual competent immigrants and québecois now have positions once reserved for you unilingual white wasps--nobody will fight to establish you old english guyser back to power
hyurgy123 1 month ago
@RoyalistCavalier Canada is a Nato member and as a UN member has to follow exact rules--Slovakia separated from the Czech Republic under democratic rules and regulations--if Québec choses to separate nobody will prevent this--war is no option in Canada--.chinese-italian-greek-jamaican immigrants won't figth for a racist anglo minority
hyurgy123 1 month ago
@RoyalistCavalier Stop living in the past and grow some balls.
ziomany 3 weeks ago
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i hate his accent xD
majorjoe046 2 months ago
Quebec is native land they cant split.
TheWho58 3 months ago
@TheWho58 lol
boinksism 2 months ago
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canadians are stupid. i am american and i can speak french haha stupid canadians. les canadiens anglais ne sont pas capables de parler francais quand je suis americain haha
enjoy90000 3 months ago
I'll never fully understand just why Quebec wanted to separate from Canada, why fix somethings thats not broken?
autokid15 3 months ago
@CanadiansGoHome again with the death threats and lies. you are delusional and possibly dangerous. I will again report you.
UpstairsMaid 3 months ago
Quebec can separate from Canada... but they're not getting Ungava.
kougermasterz 3 months ago
Quebec should be free from Canadastan!
MUNYEA 3 months ago
@MUNYEA Unfortunately, Quebec is a province in Canada, and probably my favourite one, simply because I have a lot of respect for European-based culture and European values, etc. As much as I want everyone to be free and stuff, Quebec separating would be bad for Canada as a whole. It would be bad for the majority of ppl. I don't blame you for wanting to separate especially with Harper in power. He has done a veyr good job pissing off and alienating the people of Quebec.
Freethinker12341 3 months ago
@Freethinker12341 Vous devez comprendre que le Québec est un pays très fier de la culture à travers son parcours européen. Il faut tourner la page et séparés d'un pays qui a abanded ces routes. Le Canada a abandonné les Européens et a transformé l'Asie au cours des deux dernières décennies.
MUNYEA 2 months ago
@MUNYEA Canada has not abondoned Europe, I don't even know what you're talking about. Quebec has always been able to keep its culture safe.
Freethinker12341 2 months ago
@Freethinker12341 hey as far as fact goes were here and europe is faaaaar away from us so it wouldnt make sense to keep there culture around.
MrMusterdtiger91 2 months ago
@MrMusterdtiger91 what are u talking about? lol
Quebec's culture is based on European culture.... it's already here. European values are just as good as our western cultural values, if not slightly superior at times...
Freethinker12341 2 months ago
@MUNYEA Quebec will ALWAYS be able to keep its culture safe. That's what Trudeau wanted. He celebrated the uniqueness of Quebec culture, just as much as he celebrated the uniqueness of Ontario culture as much as Western culture and maritimes culture. Quebec and Alberta however have always been the two provinces that always demanded special powers. Alberta is the worst though because its culture breeds the nasty Harper/Manning type of ppl. sorry i dont speak french i can only understand it
Freethinker12341 2 months ago
@MUNYEA but you're practically already a country of your own.... you ppl act like it anyway. so why separate?
Freethinker12341 3 months ago
racist pig
kevin99291 4 months ago
@Ameilleur1 the un has nothing to say about quebec and canada. you cannot rightfully separate. it won't happen and the hate you have you'll carry to your grave forever a canadian. I'm better than you and you are beneath me.
UpstairsMaid 4 months ago
@b1naqm28 no. labrador is part of newfoundland. rupert's land will transfer back to the crown. northern quebec will disapper and be part of ungava. all these land grabs by quebec were contingent on quebec remaining is canada, if you leave you will lose those lands - and possibly half of montreal. after all magog, georgeville, beebe and sherbrooke, and most of the estrie was founded and all settled by unijted empire loyalist in the 1790's and should return to Canada as werll.
UpstairsMaid 4 months ago
@UpstairsMaid Good point. Deciding on boundaries in such an event, is contingent on where (and when) to place the demarcations. If we were to consider the most recent and current boundaries, a larger Quebec, covering more metropolitian areas would be in the plans. However, if one were to consider "traditional" boundaries, the area would be greater still. It would be in the best interests for a Quebec-free Canada, to withhold the traditional and instead rely in the current confines. Thoughts?
4BlocksE2ndOnRight 4 months ago
@UpstairsMaid French made Canada and Brits make Quebec. Loyalist have done nothing but escape USA like puss because they're monarchia dumbfucks. Go kill yourself, if you claim to get back lands then we claim to get back canada
TheBienpro 4 months ago
@TheBienpro french began canada - built lower canada and extended exploration and forts and trading posts into manitoba and down into the states. yel settled the south east part of quebec and built georgeville, beebe, sherbrooke, magog, etc ie the cantons de l'est. ruperts land was crown land given to ontario and to quebec as part of confederation - if quebec secedes they have broken the agreement of confederation and rupert's land returns to the crown. this is a legal treaty signed by quebec
UpstairsMaid 4 months ago
@TheBienpro the rest of canada - british columbia, alberta, sask, and yukon were settled mostly by scots and english. newfoundland, nova scotia, ontario were mostly built by the sctos and english except for cap breton and a small part of newfoundland/ the fact is is that this country is a federation because many were involved - the natives, the inuit, and western europeans. then waves of immigrants from italy, germany, ukraine, portugal, china, japan etc this is the truth.
UpstairsMaid 4 months ago
threatenng someone with death as you have just done will get your account closed. the first viable colony of new france that lasted more than 3 years was quebec city in 1608. the first viable scottish colony was in nova scotia in 1629 which was lost when nova scotia was returned to france and the scots were expelled. so this great historic advantage that quebec has over the rest of canada amounts to 21 years in a 400 year history - can anyone say bogus?
UpstairsMaid 4 months ago
@UpstairsMaid You don't seem to know shit about the history of Canada and Quebec itself.
TheBienpro 4 months ago
fuck it why can yorkshire leave england
deathdragonsoul 4 months ago
@deathdragonsoul
Scotland, maybe (the wind seems to be blowing in that direction-ISH)... but Yorkshire is a bit, well, unrealistic, eh?
BasilFawlty4444 4 months ago
i think it is true... not like he said but close to :) peace
msieurevolution 5 months ago
understanding quebec as a nation my arse, if the bastard toads love france then why the fuck dont they fuck of to france, i live in the uk and av 2 put up with the bastard french as the nearest continent country neighbour!, every french frog cunt is the same, all mouth no action, you complain and want the world to take notice when all you do is surrender wen the shit starts! nothin but an arigant moanin shit heads when you couldnt even fight till the death in world war 2. shame on you frogies!!!
07979097201 6 months ago
@07979097201
You said : "understanding quebec as a nation my arse, if the bastard toads love france then why the fuck dont they fuck of to france"
Perhaps if you did actually made an effort to understand it, you'd realise instantly that it has nothing to do with a love for France or a desire to get closer to it.
The rest of your post is barely coherent racism.
Vineon 6 months ago 13
@Vineon
He's toning it down some for the virgin ears of the liberals.
albertabeefcowboy84 5 months ago
@Vineon Thanks for responding to 07979097201....so odd that 'les Canadiens' are still connected to France in some Anglo minds. They were Canadian long before most modern era Canadians considered themselves Canadian...somewhere in the 1950's-60's. If 07979097201 is Canadian, it makes what he said even more pathetic.
travistia 1 month ago
@07979097201 Quebec wants to get closer to France? Is that the source of Quebec nationalism?
French Canadians twice refused to fight for the Europeans. Like the Yanks they had to be dragged kicking and screaming in WWI and WWII while Anglos prompted Canada to declare war on the Krauts in 1914 and 1939 right of the bat. I'd like to know what you are smoking, I'd like some!
jceepf 3 months ago
@jceepf
Certainly a good thing to have people remember that whatever Britain did, Canada did, back in those days.
Had Canada been truely independent back then, who is to say they wouldn't have done exactly what the Americans did and stayed put? In fact, I'm fairly sure this is what would have happened.
Not so sure Canadians today would be excited about the prospect of conscription should another war on another continent were to happen.
Vineon 3 months ago
@Vineon To be honest, I think it was a matter of "identity". English speaking Canadians have been struggling with their identity since the beginning. The creation of a "Canadian identity" started with WWI and took two wars to evolve out of the "British" identity. French Canadians had an identity separate from the French even before the 1759 reinforced by the Roman Church later.
Certainly during the Falkland, the Anglos behave more like Yanks than British. So it has changed as you said.
jceepf 3 months ago
vous comprendrez jamais pourquoi on tente de se séparer, et votre incompréhension vous pousse a nous haïr. et nous on vous hais pour ça.
nebucadnezzar127 6 months ago
Dion may have been a poor leader, but he's an excellent Parliamentarian who has done tremendous work to keep this country. There's a reason he didn't lose his Quebec seat to the NDP.
He's exactly the kind of MP I want: a policy geek who takes his time to consider the consequences of the laws that affects the public.
Spudst3r 7 months ago 9
@Spudst3r There's a reason, yes, he's in St-Laurent. They's elect a pig if it presented itself for the Liberals.
shawa666 6 months ago
Hey, does anyone know of any other country that allows a party to be a part of the political system--whose only agenda is TO RIP THE COUNTRY APART?
Now these retired bloc Quebecois traitors are going to receive very posh pensions from the very country they are trying to secede from!
WTF, are we fucking insane?
Bongofury361 7 months ago
@Bongofury361 yes,but you get used to it.
bilzy2020 7 months ago
@Bongofury361
Many nations have separatists parties in Parliament. Example: the UK has the Scottish National Party.
But I do agree your country is insane. Lovely but fucking insane.
Reazzurro90 7 months ago
It sucks to know that ``English Canadians`` think that Quebecers are whiners, and that French Canadians think that the rest of Canada does not care about us. Quebec has a different mentality than the rest of Canada. The last federal elections proved it. But does that mean that we have to separate, that we can't work together?
We built this country together and made it the way it is today. We were able to get along for more than 400 years. I'm a Quebecer and I'm proud to say that I'm Canadian.
fszk10 8 months ago
@fszk10
You said : "But does that mean that we have to separate, that we can't work together?"
Yes it does. We are in a position in which we are marginalised out of power and losing demographical weight census after census. If you aknowledge we are different, you need to think of ways to put that into effect. It isnt as a powerless minority that it can be properly managed.
There is a way to "work together" that would be more suitable however and that is as equals, country to country.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon Also,I am planning a visit to your beautiful province and would love to connect and buy you a biere.
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
Those "tribal feelings" aren't anymore so than would be most Canadians' for rejecting a hypothetical union with the United States making of Canada its great northern 51st state. Quite a bit easier to take a country for granted when you actually happen to have one.
Vineon 8 months ago
@fszk10 Watched vineon's stuff.Never have I seen more insular,self-important,jingoistic crap.O.K.,not true.last time was from a pauline marois clip. FSZK makes great sense. Proper RBP has yet to begin.Jack says Quebec shld maintain its clout in Ottawa regardless of pop.How do you think this will carry in western Canada?Why shld it carry? I am all for QC becoming Q. It will not be a velvet divorce though.Many issues including redrawing borders,contracts,debt, are problematic,at the least
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
You've watched "my stuff", it appears. I'm interested now to know what "my stuff" is. What is it that you watched? Certainly not my videos as I have none. Are you talking about my comments? Nothing would please me more than have you join the conversations, dont shy away from them.
I think the divorce might be settled quicker than you believe as neither Canada nor Québec benefits from negociations dragging.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon Hi,just clicked on your name and was taken to the land of provincialism,if you understand the word.Also ,you never said if you wld like to join me for a beer.
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
A beer, perhaps. I've had conversations with people that lasted long enough that I felt it'd be interesting if we met. I don't think we're there yet however.
Provincialism is your term. What would you call a profile where Canadian symbols are all over the place? I make it no secret that this account was created to comment on videos regarding Québec and its appearance reflects just that.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon remember,i am on your side.just the details and enough guts on your side to get it done.how many navel gazing sessions do you guys have to go through until you get it right.
bilzy2020 8 months ago
provincialism,istic...narrowness of mind, ignorance >>>>>root fr....so it is your word. never had herbs de provence?
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
You're not on "our side". While you do want Québec do secede, you want it to do so weakened. From this stems your map redrawing proposal. One thing stands as certain, there is no independent Québec that involves partition.
You're a hypocrite. "Provincialism" as you call it (I'd call it Québec nationalism, "nation" being more befitting) is not any more a narrowness of mind than would be your attachment to Canada.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon Well then, no independent Q. I want Q stronger at its core.You will have to lose your own version of imperialism against those who don't share your tribal yearnings.
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
Pretty funny you'd call Québec nationalism 'imperialism' when all that is revendicated is control over the lands in which we live. Imperialism in my book would be seeking control beyond that.
You still haven't told me how my attachment to the Québec nation is any more tribal than your own to Canada's.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon I dont sing hymnes or recite any other syrupy,(maple?),odes to the motherland.See your link. Dont have language police,gross govt intervention on how and where my children cld be educated or any other traits that portray a society that is not comfortable in its own skin.Despite the bravado.A mature ,confident society does not need to be so insular.
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
You don't need language legislation, don't give me this crap about not having it. Education "restrictions" seen in Québec are seen pretty much everywhere around the world, we don't follow a different model. Canada doesn't either offer public education in languages that arent 'official'. Yet I'm very much doubting you'll complain about being unable to send your kids to a mandarin public school.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@Vineon I am an atheist,organized religion is anathema to me.No funding for any theist,or race based program.I see now that Q has a adopted an educational program of tolerance for all religions.Baptist v Wiccans, or Catholics v Q"s home built religion, the Raelions No matter ,they all rank parri passu.More liberal elitism. I very much agree with Mr Duceppe when he says there is no place for official multiculturalism in Q.Have you ever read the NY times bestseller,"America Alone"?
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
I have no idea why you swing the conversation to multiculturalism this way. Reading this small resume of yours, you're more in tune with Québec's view on multiculturalism than Canada's. No I haven't read that book and I'm still not sure anyway if America faces a demographical change on the magnitude as the one seen in Europe. I do not because I feel America (and Canada) have been smarter, they diversified their immigration a whole lot more.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon i very much agree with QC's position on multiculturalism,another trudeau disaster.Anyway damn good book.NY times bestseller and the author was charged by the cdn human rights comm for spreading hate.
bilzy2020 7 months ago
@bilzy2020
The transfer of both passives and actives I assume will be a reflection of demographics. A population representing 23% would take this much of the Canadian debt. You were talking about a divorce weren't you? This is exactly like we settle one.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon O.K. that settles the debt issue.How about currency?
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
The currency?
Québec owns the Canadian currency as much as does Canada and it'd be perfectly fine to use it until it is safe to use our own. A lot of countries actually use foreign currencies.
This said, this hopefully would only be temporary, as I don't believe an oil driven dollar helps a province (country) that owns very little of it. The current overevaluated Canadian dollar hurts Québec's economy (and Eastern Canada's) more than helps it.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon How about fiscal and monetary policies.You have challenged me on my understanding of economics.I will take you on anyday on our debate where economics is the subject.
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
You said : "I will take you on anyday on our debate where economics is the subject."
Then lay there your fundations and lets go at it. Every single one of your posts lacked elaboration, never was it shown that you have an understanding of Canadian or Québec economics.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon Fact,Q is the largest recipient of equalization transfer pmts. Not per capita , ,but the amt still accounts for 25% of Q's provincial budget. That is a fact.There are many cost savings to both parties by eliminating official bilingualism.Another Trudeau fiasco.My understanding of economics is sound and demonstrated in education and practice.Q is unique,very statist,highly unionized,and provincial.Or if you like, parochial.
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
Québec's yearly budget is over 65 billions and it receives 8.5 bils in equalization. Jump on your little calculator, this hardly represents 25%, not even close. What comes close to this % however is the total of transfer payments received by the province, which totalled about 18 bils last year and this includes (but isn't only) equalization.
So what you call "facts" aren't "facts" and this is why I heavily question your knowledge of Canadian economics.
Vineon 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
Now federal transfers to the provinces go to all provinces in many forms and is paid the Canadian collectivity. What this means, is that quite an important portion of these 18 billions is directly paid by Québec itself and that Québec pays just as well for transfer payments going to the other provinces.
What it means, is that what Québec receives that it didn't pay is much, MUCH lower than 25% of its budget, assuming you even are still following.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon that is just plain silly.Q is a NET taker.fact sir/madam
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
"Q is a NET taker.fact sir/madam"
Didn't say otherwise, but it definitely doesn't reach anything close to 25% of its budget.
Besides, put Alberta in any federation and it will pay equalization payments. The place, if it were a country, would have the 2nd best GDP per capita in the world after Luxembourg. This is what oil does in these current economical conjonctures. It hardly means that the rest of the world is poor.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon test,had much more butam getting an error intercept
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@Vineon Albertans for the most part,and I mean the vast majority,don't complain about equalization.What does grate is the fact that the biggest payer, Alberta, keeps getting poked in the eye by other Canadians.Q was great in Copenhagen,taking hydrocarbon money with one hand while shitting on Alberta with the other.Glad you are not practicing the politics of jealousy.
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
Québec respected the Kyoto Accord deal Canada signed. When the rest of the world happily throws it in Canada's face that it didn't do anything to respect its own signature, it certainly was Québec's job to remind them that they, at the very least did, and should not be lumped with the rest.
Vineon 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
So you're fine with the 'debt issue' now that you've been told Québec would take its part of the Canadian debt?
It was never hinted it wouldn't. At the same time, you hopefully understand that it takes with it the same % of Canadian assets.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon So no more guarentee of Quebecs obscene provincial debt.How wld you you fund your statist programs?Even the the founder of the BQ paints a picture of future misery for Q.Too lazy,unproductive,relying on handouts from ROC.
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
You confuse the Bloc with the Parti Québécois, pretty much as do all Québec commentators that do not live in the province. It is a pretty large mistake and I invite you to learn a bit from it.
The quote you refer to is likely that of Pauline Marois and she never said anything about years of misery but a certain number of years on uncertainties.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon The comments came from Bouchard.Took a lot of heat for it too.Pauline wld never be so bold.I do understand that any move to separation has to come from the province,not the protest party in the commons.Speaking of,enjoy Jack Layton.He will prove himself,already started,to be the idiot that he is.Prediction for you,nxt election the NDP will be wiped out in Canada outside of Q.This will be very good for our cause.
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
I very much doubt Bouchard used the term 'misery' but you might want to find the actual quote and show it to me, as I don't remember it.
I'll make a bolder prediction : the NDP will be wiped out of Québec as well for staying on the fence between its allegiance to Canada and a desire to keep its Québec electorate. There is no way to accomodate both and a reason independence should be sought.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon Very likely a better prediction than mine.Layton is about to be exposed.I had a great day.Raised a good some of money for islet cell transplant technology.Mcgill will be involved.Maybe does not mean much to you until they change the name of the university. I live in,wait for it..................Alberta.
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
The programs will be funded the same, with tax money. You do not seem to realize that there is money to be saved with independence. Money that Canada spends that Québec wouldn't spend.
For example would we spend on insanely costly bilingualism coast to coast? Of course not. Do we have the northern territories sovereignty to deal with? Not anymore. Do we need the army in Afghanistan? Nope.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon Yes, big money to be saved.......On the economics thing again,in the last 2 months I have raised just under 1mm$ for bio-tech.I will match that and then some this week alone.A portion of the funds,and I am just a small part of the total, will be spent in your province on a human clinical trial.Have you ever taken a financial risk.Or better to leave that to others , you know, gov't ,unions,artists and the like.Ever written a prospectus,OM,business plan?
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
Besides, nothing states those social programs are eternal. If they aren't worth it anymore, that will be replaced or eliminated.
You severly overestimate what you call "handouts from ROC" and underestimate new revenues coming directly from unneeded Canadian programs.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon Ever try and get rid of a social program? Institutional day care has been a disaster for Sweden.European grade rankings have Sweden moving from first steadily falling down the ladder,and the movement to rid themselves of this pox is being denied by the usual suspects.Takers,not makers.
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
"Ever try and get rid of a social program?"
Using a gradual approach with an alternative, I don't see why it couldn't be done. If the Québécois feel the service offered isnt worth the taxes they pay for it, it may likely soon be replaced. Nobody enjoys paying taxes, especially when you don't feel you get your money's worth.
Vineon 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
What province do you live in?
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon pardon my numerous spelling errors today.more than usual.too much pahlmeyer today,a very good californian merlot.
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@Vineon On equalization.what a basterd of a program. 50% of natural resource revenue is calculated,with the exception of the maritime provinces under the atlantic accord,since partially amended.Q's hydro is exempt.since you feel that any transfers to your province are offset,why not just scrap the entire thing?
bilzy2020 8 months ago
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@bilzy2020
"why not just scrap the entire thing?"
Was it Alberta's stance what it was receiving? Wasn't it actually largely to help develop the west that it was invented? Can eastern Canada get a bit of money back from what it invested in developing the west and its natural resources? Should it be reminded that Alberta developed its oil industry off heavy federal subsidies much before anyone even believed tar sands could be profitable?
Vineon 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
Oh yeah, let's make a big deal out of the nationalisation that was stealing the resources you weren't able to develop yourself. Have others pay and then scrap Petro Canada, fuck the investment the rest of Canada made in it. And fuck whats left of this investment, which is pretty equalization.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon Hi Vineon,I think I hit a nerve or 2.now you are showing your ignorance of Canadian economics.Before I go on,FUCK PETRO CANADA.Another trudeau disaster in statist management of the economy.Big stress over the NEP to this day.Americans developed the sedimentary basin.Q&O were too chicken shit and had no vision for the country.Do you know what the Crow rate was?If any province has been abused,it is Alberta.Can also make a case for others. more>>>
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
I brought up Petro Canada because I knew it a huge issue during the Mulroney reign. Alberta felt its resources were dilapidated unjustly under the NEP. It would have been unjust if the oil industry weren't one that received such heavy federal subsidies.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon your knowledge of the history of petro-can is pathetic. PC was born out of the NEP where AB was forced to subsidize the ROC with cheap oil.There was never a need for PC and it was hated out here. PC tower in Calgary is still called "red square". I have never bot a litre from a PC station even though it has long since been privatized. It was set up for your benefit,not ours.
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
Now Hydro-Québec, which you mentionned just now, was developped by Québec alone without any investment from the federal. That's something to be more proud of than the luck of the draw of happening to live on a province that has the most sought resource in the world.
Getting a big head over luck?
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon Luck?
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
Luck. As in it has more to do with Luck than Achievement to live in a territory that's packed with the world's most sought natural resource.
Hell, oil has even made of Newfoundland, a province of fisherman, a net equalization payer, as soon as they started exploiting their underwater reserves.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineo re:HQ Actually bonds were issued domestically and internationaly.Also, a VERY large loan from AB was secured.Happy to help.Wishing for a lower currency to help your economy is silly chretienomics.With a low dollar you are just masking low productivity,importing inflation and driving wages higher. Take an economics lesson.How about the NBP,New Bloc Party, saying QC shld get more seats even if unwarranted.Just for old times sake I suppose.
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
With a low dollar, for a country so close to a neighbour of the US' size, you actually manage to keep your manufactures afloat. You sell a lot, you create and maintain jobs which in turn contribute to your economy. We could go in circle like this all day but at the end of this same day, there are parts of Canada, which rely on exports that happen to not be oil, that are seriously hampered by an inflated oil dollar.
Vineon 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
You spit the usual Albertan propaganda which uses Québec as its only scapegoat. Look elsewhere than Québec for over-representation at the House of Commons (the Maritimes, Manitoba and Saskatchewan especially). Of the 23 971 740 Canadian voters, 6 110 918 are from Québec. The same % at the House of Commons would give Québec 79 seats... it has 75. Obviously, this would be much worse if 30 new seats are given out west while none are to Québec.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon hi,on this you are partially right.QC is right at the seat count it shld have bases on pop.adding the 30 wld only take ONT,BC,AB in line with QC.That wld still leave the 4 most populous provinces under-represented relative to the rest.if we were all equal with PEI there wld be 1200 seats in the HOC. the real problem is the maritimes and SK.but you cant take seats away.
bilzy2020 7 months ago
@Vineon If it was up to me,I wld forgive Q's proportion of the debt.In exchange the map is redrawn.
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
Borders are not something I expect to change as any change would be completely arbitrarely. There was never a border splitting the Outaouais from Québec, for instance.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon This requires much more debate.The Cree of northern Q have clearly said that they identify with Canada.Not the racist Parizeau types.So,Canada wld hve an obligation to protect their citizenry on moral ,ethical and legal grounds.The on thing that made Parizeau apoplectic is the ? "if canada is divisible why not Q"
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
You said : "the Cree of northern Q have clearly said that they identify with Canada."
They definitely haven't. What you refer to is likely their opting up of the 95 referendum, they didn't enjoy having secession forced upon them. That doesn't mean they 'identify' with Canada, quite far from it. The Cree and most First Nations hold allegiance to themselves, not to Québec and neither to Canada.
Vineon 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
But it is the Cree you want to talk about right? Those same Crees signed La Paix des Braves deal with Bernard Landry and the Parti Québécois in the early 2000s. Following this deal, very much described as ground breaking, Ted Moses, then appointed leader of the Crees backed the secessionist PQ government in the following elections.
Vineon 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
A very similar deal was signed with the Inuits and we're still waiting for one with the Innu nation. The important thing to remember here is that the First Nations will align with whatever suits their best interests.
I believe a Québec government to be much better suited to do that than a Canadian one. After all, Québec only owns 10% of the First Nations population of Canada, the ROC would open a huge can of worms trying to compete here.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon Quebec OWNS.....very telling
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020 tsk tsk... how come I don't get a pint?!
Just kidding :-P
ammarios 8 months ago
@ammarios Any time pal,any time.
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020 Something else to consider : even had they voted in this region against secession, it hardly means they'd back joining a Canada that doesn't include Québec. Still using the Outaouais region as an exemple, I very much doubt they'd agree to be what's left of french in Canada knowing institutional bilingualism isn't likely to remain without Québec.
Vineon 8 months ago
@fszk10 we built this country together ?! ROFL !!!, England INVADED a French colony and since then, french canadiens now known as "quebecers" has been the english cheap labor, you guys exploited the wealth of quebec and now that you found gas and are getting richer(basically found that gas using the money WE worked for IN A CLEAN fashion) you guys now turn around and go : oh look they are leeching money from us so let them go... as always the english mentality is self-centered(look at USA)
jimmyronzio 8 months ago
@jimmyronzio WOW!!
bilzy2020 8 months ago
Quebec has an identity only as long as Canada allows it.Out of 60 jurisdictions in N/A,50 states+10 provinces QC ranks 57th in gdp/capita.That is with the incredible subsidies afforded the province.Economics,mes amie,economics.
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
Québec's identity is not dependent on its economy which isn't dependent on Canada's anyway. To even claim otherwise would border stupidity.
There are tons of countries which you would certainly not disvalue the identity simply because their GDP per capita is not even one half of Québec's. Are we saying something as large as China lacks an identity now?
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon Howdy.GDP like any measure has its flaws.Still it is a pretty good measure in that it is reliably quantified in 1st world nations.China v Q on a cultural relevancy...are you kidding? Anyway V,I am not trying to disvalue,(devalue), your powerful tribal feelings.I think our experiment in confederacy has run its course.So I wish us both the best.Just dont try and smoke me on the economic consequences for both parties esp Q.Maybe a lousy reason to keep a country together anyway.
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
Vineon 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
"China v Q on a cultural relevancy...are you kidding?"
Not as much I hope as you were linking Québec's identity to it's GDP per capita. It might have you wonder how in hell Québec managed to keep an identity of its own back when it was one of the poorest nation of the western world, prior to La Révolution Tranquille.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon enjoy poverty do you? a cultural signal?
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
I see you take a certain pleasure in correcting my english, which as you've guessed isn't my first language.
I'd gladly switch to french but you're likely incapable of understanding it. It doesn't stop you from having a very fixed idea on what Québec's identity is however. Who said you needed the tools to immerse yourself into a society to understand it, after all?
Vineon 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
You likely largely overestimate what Québec gets in 'subsidies', which you should call transfer payments. Your "economics mes amis" argument likely stops at what you've been told, which is that Québec is a recipient of equalization, regardless of how the rest of the federal money is spent and if it favours Québec. When Ottawa grants billions in subsidies to the automobile and fossil fuel industries, this wont show in the equalization columns.
Vineon 8 months ago
@Vineon Bombardier,Q auto,asbestos,dairy quota,employment in civil service.rape of NFLD hydro ,(tell me this would not have been changed decades ago if the signatories were reversed),the incredible cost of one of your most enduring contributions...massive corruption at any level of gov't. So maybe you want a bohemian lifestyle,more so than now.Quecec has WORSE finances than what brought Greece down.Remember,I am on your side,just enjoy your watered wine.
bilzy2020 8 months ago
@bilzy2020
You're just throwing random names and economic sectors with no hope of actually sparking a debate. If you want to talk about Bombardier, give it a few posts. The same goes for this litany of different subjects to which you leave no room to find out just how knowledgeable you happen to be about them. The way you call it 'rape of nfld however' makes me believe it is 'very little'.
Vineon 8 months ago