same case with Japan, a country with high nominal GDP (more money for government) but there are lot of Japanese live in poor or near poverty line thanks to high cost of living. This "high standards of living" is clearly a misnomer used by politicians to trick people into thinking they are successful.
Compared to the 70s, when most households did not have electricity or indoor plumbing, when many parents could not afford to feed their children three times a day, and white rice was a luxury among farmers, we have an excellent standard of living. The suicide rate comes mostly from pressure to succeed in a collectivist homogenous society (as it does in Japan).
Also, please go to Vietnam or Philippines if you want to see real poverty.
@MattressGallery you realize the concept of basic human neccesities were finally being met in those times? high standard of living doesnt only refer to material well being but social, cultural, and level of liberty. You are right about materialistically Korea is better off, but still falls short of "high standard" when looking at the other important factors that contribute to happiness; Koreans are not happy people.
@MattressGallery I mean you think Korean society has any respect for individual liberty and human rights? Do you think Japan, even with all its material wealth has changed its thinking? Its changing in younger generation but still older generation 's ideologies seems to lag behind the economic progress and internationalization of Korea and Japan.
@MattressGallery those countries maybe in poverty but truth is people have a more healthy mentally and happier than Korea and Japan. Again just reinforces my opinion that "high standard of living" do not equate material wealth.
anyone using this movie as facts of the actual series of events is clearly retarded. this is more of an artists interpretation for amusing. Park Chung Hee's assassination was the work of CIA operatives with strong influence over Korean politics and rest of Asia in the region.
Actually this movie is pretty accurate depiction of events though rather harsh to Director Kim of KCIA. Why do people always make up conspiracy stories out of thin air? Must be bored or something.
koreans need to know how to use a garbage can. there is extreme littering in korea. korea is still quite dirty. the way people drive in korea is very uncivilized. koreans still emigrate in large scale, which means korea still is a developing country.
well, it's true. have you ever been to korea? i went to korea in july. Anyways, koreans have a problem with throwing away their babies and those babies being adopted in foreign countries. koreans need to work on branding their country and make their food more well known. korean immigrants always open japanese restaurants and dress up in japanese attire.
I'm sorry, being "dirty" does not disqualify a country from first world status. Most US cities are full of litter and urban decay, yet that doesn't make the US a poor country.
By every economic standard imaginable, South Korea is a rich nation with a high standard of living. Nobody gives a damn if you think it "looks dirty".
Look at per capita GDP, GINI coefficient, literacy, educational attainment rates, and other statistics for south korea. Stop spamming Korean videos with your lies.
in japanese news last week, in the beaches in southern japan are filled with garbage that's coming from korea because korean fisherman are dumping garbage into the ocean. they need to know what a RECYCLING bin is.
Oook you claim to be a "korean American" yet you are somehow fluent in Japanese and listen to Japanese news. I don't hate either Japanese or Koreans, but I hate liars.
South Korea has sent crews of high school students and other volunteers to clean up the messes. This is a shame, and it is already illegal under Korean law.
You also didn't debunk anything I said about South Korea.
@MattressGallery I sneered when I read "high standards of living". The household debt of average South Korean household is 300%...that means to sustain their cost of living people resort to loan sharks including the banks. Korea has the highest rate of suicide amongst OECD countries, you really think people would kill themselves if they had "high standards of living"? The reality is wealth is disproportionately and unfairly distributed in Korean society, thanks to neo-Confucius society.
I could say this movie was great if they only documented according to the known facts and facts only. It's a ugly movie made by people with political mind behind. Do not use the ART for the idealism propaganda please...
Art is a product of the enviornment that its made in. If a dictator kidnaps, tortures and dissappears people for nearly 20 years, does he deserve a respectful treatment from his victims? This is not a problem that's restricted to Korea. Chile went through a long period of fascism too- anyplace where democracy is subverted people should have the right to ruthless scrutinize and criticize anyone who oppressed the people during that era. That's the only way to keep fascism from returning.
Do you know who Park Chung Hee was? He was the worst dictator Korea ever had! His secret police, the KCIA, ran an entire network of prisons where political prisoners were tortured. Opponents of his fascist-like regime were "disappeared". He was a collaborator with the Japanese during WWII- he was in the Japanese military where his job was to track down and kill members of the anti-Japanese guerrilla resistance. Cruel? Nothing could be more cruel than how Park treated the Korean people!
And by the way, Dr. King was assassinated by the FBI. I don't care about JFK. He was a fake "friend" to the civil rights movement, he was responsible for the terrorist Playa Giron invasion of Cuba, and he ordered the assassination of Patrice Lamumba, leader of the Congo. Not to mention the fact that he escalated the U.S.' involvement in the Vietnam war. I don't have anything good to say about him, and as Malcolm X said, his death was "the chickens coming home to roost."
Dude. Under what circumstances, death of human being should not be comedy.
Do you find this movie making fun of president park's last moment funny? If you think this is funny, you aint no better than any cruel leaders out there.
Would you feel funny if somebody make fun of death of president Roh Moo Hyun?
I dont think every Korean thinks like that. He Black people's human rights riot was routed by police dog. Even Mr Park was evil like leader (which I seriously doubt he was), making comedy out of beloved president (By millions of his followers).
I wouldn't praise mr park nor criticize him since i was only like 4 years old when he was murdered. Because it will take long time for him to receive fair review only after his political enemy was long gone.
There's nothing more dispicable than someone who sells his own country out to a colonial occupier- Park Chung Hee did it twice: once to the Japanese and again to the U.S. During the colonial period, Park was so loyal to the Japanese and hated Korea so much, he actually joined the Japanese army and even took a Japanese name, Okamoto Minoru! He was such a loyal stooge for the occupiers that they sent him to the Army Staff College in Japan to learn how to be a better oppressor.
Park (or Okamoto) always hated democracy. When there was a brief flowering of democracy under Chang Myon (after the dictator Rhee was forced out in 1960), he led a military coup on May 16th, 1961 to destroy the Second Republic. Park created the KCIA as a secret police organization to protect his personal dictatorship.
Bruce Cumings, a professor at the University of Chicago, called Yushin fascism "the extensive and brutal deactivization of politics... and civil society." He characterized the Yushin state as "...a vast administrative bureaucracy, huge distended armed forces, extensive national police, (and) a ubiquitous KCIA with operatives at every concievable site of political resistance..."
What this largely boils down to is the question of what system is better for democracy: a fascist military dictatorship where society is run exclusively for the benefit of political cronies and the chaebols, where the KCIA runs amok, kidnapping, torturing and killing those they believe to be a threat to "national security"; or a civilian government, where people get to elect their own representatives? I think the answer is clear.
Park always hated democracy. When there was a brief opening under Chang Myon (after the dictator Rhee was forced out in 1960), he led a military coup on May 16th, 1961 to destroy the Second Republic. In June 1961, Park created the KCIA as a secret police organization to protect his personal dictatorship.
I would not say he loved Japan. I would say Park admired Japan. He was born while Korea was occupied by Japan. During his childhood period, kids were forced to learn as if they were Japs. They had jap name. even DJ Kim had Jap name. It must been a hard decision for him to normalized the relationship but I'm sure it was necessary political tactic as president. Yes he tried to be 4ever president by chaning to law. but was he a dictator like Kim from North Korean? No!
Your point about comparing Park to Kim Il Sung only illustrates my point further- Kim Il Sung spent the 1930's and early 40's fighting the Japanese, not collaborating with them! In any case, that's off the subject.
Recent suvery from South Korea, 53% of South Korean believes Mr. Park was the best president so far.
If Park was really a ruthless dictator, DJ Kim was already dead and Korean should be still ruled by someone like Kim Jung IL of North Korea. and many south korean must be living in hell today.
By the way, people in the DPRK are certainly not "living in hell". My roommate just returned from Pyongyang and trust, there's no starvation, death camps, "Big Brother" survaillence or any other figments of Washington's (or Lee Myung Bak's) imagination. Just a nation of normal people trying to live their lives in peace.
Why, because I disagree with you? I just posted a comment to your profile a couple minutes ago saying that I didn't mean any disrespect to you with our little argument here and this is what you come back with? Let's keep it civil, OK?
So just for a minute, I'd like to see if you're able to break out of this cold war mentality and think outside of the box of Washington's bizarro fantasy of north Korea as a giant prison camp, OK? Can we do that? Just for a minute?
North Koreans are living in peace and there is no starvation??? Fuck you! Just because of hypocrite like you out there, people are dying in North Korea. Fuck you mother fucker.
First of all, stop freaking out and stop being an asshole. I'm trying to come at you in a respectful manner by keeping it political instead of personal and look at the shit I'm taking from you. So try and take it down a notch or two.
"keeping it political" is very dangerous. It's more personal than you think. And I've been reading your posts. "cold war mentality eh?" You'll be surprised at how many people in Europe and the US are ignorant about the DPRK. All they know is the occasional news from major news medias, so i doubt anyone has a cold war mentality.
Secondly, did you not understand my last post? My roommate went to the DPRK for two weeks- she was in Pyongyang as well as several smaller towns in the countryside. She toured hospitals, factories, schools and apartments. She was able to talk to whoever she wanted, she speaks Korean fluently. Let me repeat this again so you understand this time: THERE ARE NO STARVING PEOPLE IN THE DPRK. Got me this time? The DPRK has a lower infant mortality rate and a higher literacy level than the U.S.
Uh, no. I don't like either of the two choices. How about a peace treaty for the DPRK, the immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops and then we let the Korean people figure out what type of reunification scenario best fits their needs..?
Of course the photographers will see what the government will want them to see. The image of a prospering nation. Would a tour ever involve a starving village?
Knowing that people who get to visit the DPRK is either a son of a DPRK diplomat, or a government-sanctioned journalist, their sights will be extremely limited. Unless You've been to the North yourself, or have any sort of hard evidence, you should learn to keep your mouth shut.
My friend who visited the DPRK over the summer was neither the daughter of a DPRK diplomat (your assumption that she is a he is pretty sexist) nor is she a government-sanction journalist. I don't think you have any business telling me to keep my mouth shut. If you don't like my posts, then don't read them.
What do you mean, "don't read them"? you've posted your ramblings in the comment section, making available for everyone to read.
I'm the friggin victim here who had to suffer through your crap. If a newspaper publishes controversial ideas, is it the readers' fault for reading them? Or is it the paper's fault for putting such offensive material in the first place? You're following a faulty logic.
And why the mystery? Why aren't you telling me how she really got into the isolated nation?
'scuse me, I was just wiping away a tear for your friggin victimhood, you know, being subjected to all my crap and everything. How about a moment of silence? Would that fix everything up for you?
The DPRK is only isolated by the U.S.' blockade and its attempts to intimidate other nations from having diplomatic relations with People's Korea. The DPRK has diplomatic relations with countries on every continent, it is hardly isolated.
And she got to Pyongyang by getting a passport, a visa, and a plane ticket. Kinda how you get to any country on Earth, except she had to get routed through Beijing because of Washington's idiotic travel ban on the DPRK.
same case with Japan, a country with high nominal GDP (more money for government) but there are lot of Japanese live in poor or near poverty line thanks to high cost of living. This "high standards of living" is clearly a misnomer used by politicians to trick people into thinking they are successful.
yurikomuro 8 months ago
@yurikomuro
Compared to the 70s, when most households did not have electricity or indoor plumbing, when many parents could not afford to feed their children three times a day, and white rice was a luxury among farmers, we have an excellent standard of living. The suicide rate comes mostly from pressure to succeed in a collectivist homogenous society (as it does in Japan).
Also, please go to Vietnam or Philippines if you want to see real poverty.
MattressGallery 8 months ago
@MattressGallery you realize the concept of basic human neccesities were finally being met in those times? high standard of living doesnt only refer to material well being but social, cultural, and level of liberty. You are right about materialistically Korea is better off, but still falls short of "high standard" when looking at the other important factors that contribute to happiness; Koreans are not happy people.
yurikomuro 8 months ago
@MattressGallery I mean you think Korean society has any respect for individual liberty and human rights? Do you think Japan, even with all its material wealth has changed its thinking? Its changing in younger generation but still older generation 's ideologies seems to lag behind the economic progress and internationalization of Korea and Japan.
yurikomuro 8 months ago
@yurikomuro Why should individual liberty and human rights matter?
TheHaeresiarch 4 months ago
@TheHaeresiarch take a trip up to north korea why dont you
yurikomuro 4 months ago
@TheHaeresiarch fail troll is fail.
yurikomuro 4 months ago
@yurikomuro No, I'm asking for an answer. There wasn't an implicit "they don't".
TheHaeresiarch 4 months ago
@MattressGallery those countries maybe in poverty but truth is people have a more healthy mentally and happier than Korea and Japan. Again just reinforces my opinion that "high standard of living" do not equate material wealth.
yurikomuro 8 months ago
anyone using this movie as facts of the actual series of events is clearly retarded. this is more of an artists interpretation for amusing. Park Chung Hee's assassination was the work of CIA operatives with strong influence over Korean politics and rest of Asia in the region.
yurikomuro 8 months ago
@yurikomuro
Actually this movie is pretty accurate depiction of events though rather harsh to Director Kim of KCIA. Why do people always make up conspiracy stories out of thin air? Must be bored or something.
pierrotsmovie 7 months ago
@pierrotsmovie sure live in your free little safe world.
yurikomuro 7 months ago
looks like white house daily life
americanlover1776 1 year ago
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is it a good movie to watch or not?
napenzki 1 year ago
koreans need to know how to use a garbage can. there is extreme littering in korea. korea is still quite dirty. the way people drive in korea is very uncivilized. koreans still emigrate in large scale, which means korea still is a developing country.
britney4korea 2 years ago
Why are you bombing all the korean videos? please stop it. You're starting to annoy me with your bigottery.
crownblue89 2 years ago
well, it's true. have you ever been to korea? i went to korea in july. Anyways, koreans have a problem with throwing away their babies and those babies being adopted in foreign countries. koreans need to work on branding their country and make their food more well known. korean immigrants always open japanese restaurants and dress up in japanese attire.
britney4korea 2 years ago
I'm sorry, being "dirty" does not disqualify a country from first world status. Most US cities are full of litter and urban decay, yet that doesn't make the US a poor country.
By every economic standard imaginable, South Korea is a rich nation with a high standard of living. Nobody gives a damn if you think it "looks dirty".
Look at per capita GDP, GINI coefficient, literacy, educational attainment rates, and other statistics for south korea. Stop spamming Korean videos with your lies.
MattressGallery 2 years ago
in japanese news last week, in the beaches in southern japan are filled with garbage that's coming from korea because korean fisherman are dumping garbage into the ocean. they need to know what a RECYCLING bin is.
britney4korea 2 years ago
Oook you claim to be a "korean American" yet you are somehow fluent in Japanese and listen to Japanese news. I don't hate either Japanese or Koreans, but I hate liars.
South Korea has sent crews of high school students and other volunteers to clean up the messes. This is a shame, and it is already illegal under Korean law.
You also didn't debunk anything I said about South Korea.
MattressGallery 2 years ago
@MattressGallery I sneered when I read "high standards of living". The household debt of average South Korean household is 300%...that means to sustain their cost of living people resort to loan sharks including the banks. Korea has the highest rate of suicide amongst OECD countries, you really think people would kill themselves if they had "high standards of living"? The reality is wealth is disproportionately and unfairly distributed in Korean society, thanks to neo-Confucius society.
yurikomuro 8 months ago
I could say this movie was great if they only documented according to the known facts and facts only. It's a ugly movie made by people with political mind behind. Do not use the ART for the idealism propaganda please...
sjboy10094 2 years ago
Art is a product of the enviornment that its made in. If a dictator kidnaps, tortures and dissappears people for nearly 20 years, does he deserve a respectful treatment from his victims? This is not a problem that's restricted to Korea. Chile went through a long period of fascism too- anyplace where democracy is subverted people should have the right to ruthless scrutinize and criticize anyone who oppressed the people during that era. That's the only way to keep fascism from returning.
t1201971 2 years ago
There can be only one!
TheBogger 2 years ago
This is sad. Making fun of dead president.
It's like making fun of JFK's last moment.
how cruel.
sjboy10094 2 years ago
Do you know who Park Chung Hee was? He was the worst dictator Korea ever had! His secret police, the KCIA, ran an entire network of prisons where political prisoners were tortured. Opponents of his fascist-like regime were "disappeared". He was a collaborator with the Japanese during WWII- he was in the Japanese military where his job was to track down and kill members of the anti-Japanese guerrilla resistance. Cruel? Nothing could be more cruel than how Park treated the Korean people!
t1201971 2 years ago
was only cruel to his enemy. 1960 ~ 80 was darkest years for American too. JFK and Paster M. L. King was assinated by unknown group.
sjboy10094 2 years ago
And by the way, Dr. King was assassinated by the FBI. I don't care about JFK. He was a fake "friend" to the civil rights movement, he was responsible for the terrorist Playa Giron invasion of Cuba, and he ordered the assassination of Patrice Lamumba, leader of the Congo. Not to mention the fact that he escalated the U.S.' involvement in the Vietnam war. I don't have anything good to say about him, and as Malcolm X said, his death was "the chickens coming home to roost."
t1201971 2 years ago
Dude. Under what circumstances, death of human being should not be comedy.
Do you find this movie making fun of president park's last moment funny? If you think this is funny, you aint no better than any cruel leaders out there.
Would you feel funny if somebody make fun of death of president Roh Moo Hyun?
sjboy10094 2 years ago
I dont think every Korean thinks like that. He Black people's human rights riot was routed by police dog. Even Mr Park was evil like leader (which I seriously doubt he was), making comedy out of beloved president (By millions of his followers).
sjboy10094 2 years ago
I wouldn't praise mr park nor criticize him since i was only like 4 years old when he was murdered. Because it will take long time for him to receive fair review only after his political enemy was long gone.
sjboy10094 2 years ago
I dont believe his(mr' park's) follower's testimony nor current left wing political member's assertion. It will take long time to not to be biased.
sjboy10094 2 years ago
There's nothing more dispicable than someone who sells his own country out to a colonial occupier- Park Chung Hee did it twice: once to the Japanese and again to the U.S. During the colonial period, Park was so loyal to the Japanese and hated Korea so much, he actually joined the Japanese army and even took a Japanese name, Okamoto Minoru! He was such a loyal stooge for the occupiers that they sent him to the Army Staff College in Japan to learn how to be a better oppressor.
t1201971 2 years ago
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Park (or Okamoto) always hated democracy. When there was a brief flowering of democracy under Chang Myon (after the dictator Rhee was forced out in 1960), he led a military coup on May 16th, 1961 to destroy the Second Republic. Park created the KCIA as a secret police organization to protect his personal dictatorship.
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t1201971 2 years ago
Bruce Cumings, a professor at the University of Chicago, called Yushin fascism "the extensive and brutal deactivization of politics... and civil society." He characterized the Yushin state as "...a vast administrative bureaucracy, huge distended armed forces, extensive national police, (and) a ubiquitous KCIA with operatives at every concievable site of political resistance..."
t1201971 2 years ago
What this largely boils down to is the question of what system is better for democracy: a fascist military dictatorship where society is run exclusively for the benefit of political cronies and the chaebols, where the KCIA runs amok, kidnapping, torturing and killing those they believe to be a threat to "national security"; or a civilian government, where people get to elect their own representatives? I think the answer is clear.
t1201971 2 years ago
Park always hated democracy. When there was a brief opening under Chang Myon (after the dictator Rhee was forced out in 1960), he led a military coup on May 16th, 1961 to destroy the Second Republic. In June 1961, Park created the KCIA as a secret police organization to protect his personal dictatorship.
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t1201971 2 years ago
I would not say he loved Japan. I would say Park admired Japan. He was born while Korea was occupied by Japan. During his childhood period, kids were forced to learn as if they were Japs. They had jap name. even DJ Kim had Jap name. It must been a hard decision for him to normalized the relationship but I'm sure it was necessary political tactic as president. Yes he tried to be 4ever president by chaning to law. but was he a dictator like Kim from North Korean? No!
sjboy10094 2 years ago
Your point about comparing Park to Kim Il Sung only illustrates my point further- Kim Il Sung spent the 1930's and early 40's fighting the Japanese, not collaborating with them! In any case, that's off the subject.
t1201971 2 years ago
Recent suvery from South Korea, 53% of South Korean believes Mr. Park was the best president so far.
If Park was really a ruthless dictator, DJ Kim was already dead and Korean should be still ruled by someone like Kim Jung IL of North Korea. and many south korean must be living in hell today.
sjboy10094 2 years ago
By the way, people in the DPRK are certainly not "living in hell". My roommate just returned from Pyongyang and trust, there's no starvation, death camps, "Big Brother" survaillence or any other figments of Washington's (or Lee Myung Bak's) imagination. Just a nation of normal people trying to live their lives in peace.
t1201971 2 years ago
LOL ...You are crazy...
sjboy10094 2 years ago
Why, because I disagree with you? I just posted a comment to your profile a couple minutes ago saying that I didn't mean any disrespect to you with our little argument here and this is what you come back with? Let's keep it civil, OK?
t1201971 2 years ago
No, I dont give a shit about your respect. fuck you.
sjboy10094 2 years ago
So just for a minute, I'd like to see if you're able to break out of this cold war mentality and think outside of the box of Washington's bizarro fantasy of north Korea as a giant prison camp, OK? Can we do that? Just for a minute?
t1201971 2 years ago
North Koreans are living in peace and there is no starvation??? Fuck you! Just because of hypocrite like you out there, people are dying in North Korea. Fuck you mother fucker.
sjboy10094 2 years ago
First of all, stop freaking out and stop being an asshole. I'm trying to come at you in a respectful manner by keeping it political instead of personal and look at the shit I'm taking from you. So try and take it down a notch or two.
t1201971 2 years ago
"keeping it political" is very dangerous. It's more personal than you think. And I've been reading your posts. "cold war mentality eh?" You'll be surprised at how many people in Europe and the US are ignorant about the DPRK. All they know is the occasional news from major news medias, so i doubt anyone has a cold war mentality.
crownblue89 2 years ago
Secondly, did you not understand my last post? My roommate went to the DPRK for two weeks- she was in Pyongyang as well as several smaller towns in the countryside. She toured hospitals, factories, schools and apartments. She was able to talk to whoever she wanted, she speaks Korean fluently. Let me repeat this again so you understand this time: THERE ARE NO STARVING PEOPLE IN THE DPRK. Got me this time? The DPRK has a lower infant mortality rate and a higher literacy level than the U.S.
t1201971 2 years ago
do you agree then that north korea is destitute compare to the south and
must be united with the north before
china gets strong and u.s. declines in power? if not you must work for
that naked king in invisible robe scenario.
fas852 2 years ago
Uh, no. I don't like either of the two choices. How about a peace treaty for the DPRK, the immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops and then we let the Korean people figure out what type of reunification scenario best fits their needs..?
t1201971 2 years ago
As for your argument, I find it hard to believe.
Of course the photographers will see what the government will want them to see. The image of a prospering nation. Would a tour ever involve a starving village?
Knowing that people who get to visit the DPRK is either a son of a DPRK diplomat, or a government-sanctioned journalist, their sights will be extremely limited. Unless You've been to the North yourself, or have any sort of hard evidence, you should learn to keep your mouth shut.
crownblue89 2 years ago
My friend who visited the DPRK over the summer was neither the daughter of a DPRK diplomat (your assumption that she is a he is pretty sexist) nor is she a government-sanction journalist. I don't think you have any business telling me to keep my mouth shut. If you don't like my posts, then don't read them.
t1201971 2 years ago
What do you mean, "don't read them"? you've posted your ramblings in the comment section, making available for everyone to read.
I'm the friggin victim here who had to suffer through your crap. If a newspaper publishes controversial ideas, is it the readers' fault for reading them? Or is it the paper's fault for putting such offensive material in the first place? You're following a faulty logic.
And why the mystery? Why aren't you telling me how she really got into the isolated nation?
crownblue89 2 years ago
'scuse me, I was just wiping away a tear for your friggin victimhood, you know, being subjected to all my crap and everything. How about a moment of silence? Would that fix everything up for you?
The DPRK is only isolated by the U.S.' blockade and its attempts to intimidate other nations from having diplomatic relations with People's Korea. The DPRK has diplomatic relations with countries on every continent, it is hardly isolated.
t1201971 2 years ago
And she got to Pyongyang by getting a passport, a visa, and a plane ticket. Kinda how you get to any country on Earth, except she had to get routed through Beijing because of Washington's idiotic travel ban on the DPRK.
t1201971 2 years ago
regular people from some countries can get short tourist visas to DPRK. Do your homework before running your mouth.
crossmr 2 years ago